Do cartoon scandals proof that islamic unity exists in reality?

[Administrator]

Har bir ishning bir hayiri bor deydiler , ha bir tomondan ovrupaliklar Hazrati Muhammad(s.a.v) paygambarimizni yerga urib uning karikaturalarini chizib bosib chiqarishdek bolgan jirkanch ishga qol urishganda pichoq islom olamining naq suyagiga taqalgan edi ,boshqa tomondan esa ochigi bu global karikatura skandali menga shu davrgacha afsona bolib koringan balki hayolimga ham kelmagan islomiy birlik realda mavjud ekanligiga isbot boldi , masalan iroqda urush bolganda islom olami yani hukumaltari va halqlari bunchalik aktiv togrirogi umuman passivlik korsatishgandi huddi dunyo siyosiy sahnasidada slom olami umuman mavjud emasdek bir holat bor edi.
Amo ohirgi oyda islom dunyosi halqlarinig agressiv chiqishlari,elchihonalarga ot qoyishlari,kopgina musulmon olkalarining hukumatlarini rasmiy ravishda Denmarkaga iqtisodiy embargolar qoyishi, ohir oqibatda muslmonlarning fikrialri ovrupaninn bazi doyiralarida inobatga olinishi,ularning uzr sorashlari... bu aslida islom birligi afsona emas balki mavjud ekanligi hattoki agar yashigina bir STIMUL(paygambar karikaturali kabi) bolsa sanoqlik kunalrda butun islom dunyosi oyoqga turishi hech gap emasligi ochiq oydin bolib qoldi.tgori stimul kerak boldi ammo islomiy birlik bolmaydigan ish emas ekanku ,sizning tushunchalaringiz?

[PainKiller]

Do cartoon scandals proof that islamic unity exists in reality?
those scandals only prove that there is a huge number of unemployed adults in muslim countries.:lol:

[Shokirbek]

Do cartoon scandals proof that islamic unity exists in reality?
those scandals only prove that there is a huge number of unemployed adults in muslim countries.:lol:

Garchi men bu piketlarni uncha qo'llab-quvvatlamasamda (bundan ko'ra foydasi kattaroq amaliy ishlar tarafdoriman), lekin, sizdan so'ramoqchiman, o'sha chiqqanlar o'z ishlarini tashlab, Rosululloh (s.a.v)ga nisbatan muhabbat yuzasidan chiqqan bo'lishsachi? Ularni bekorchilar, ishsizlar deb atash (unemployedmidi?) to'g'rimikin?

[Mona Lisa]

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Amo ohirgi oyda islom dunyosi halqlarinig agressiv chiqishlari,elchihonalarga ot qoyishlari,kopgina musulmon olkalarining hukumatlarini rasmiy ravishda Denmarkaga iqtisodiy embargolar qoyishi, ohir oqibatda muslmonlarning fikrialri ovrupaninn bazi doyiralarida inobatga olinishi,ularning uzr sorashlari... bu aslida islom birligi afsona emas balki mavjud ekanligi hattoki agar yashigina bir STIMUL(paygambar karikaturali kabi) bolsa sanoqlik kunalrda butun islom dunyosi oyoqga turishi hech gap emasligi ochiq oydin bolib qoldi.tgori stimul kerak boldi ammo islomiy birlik bolmaydigan ish emas ekanku ,sizning tushunchalaringiz?
Sadly I haven't seen so called Islamic unity at all.
Where is unity? Especially when comes to socio-economic development and cooperation: in Sub-Saharan Africa, in Pakistan/Kashmir earthquake victims who still in need, in Afganistan, Iraq, South-East Asia ... Where is Islamic unity to do something useful and helpful to people?

If you think that bunch of people burning flags, buildings and making death threats around the world were acts of Islamic unity then think again. Those people were merely driven by media-hype and advocates of agressive action. The same applies to countries.

Furthermore embargos and boycots hurt Danish economy but not as much as those boycotting it!

[PainKiller]

Garchi men bu piketlarni uncha qo'llab-quvvatlamasamda (bundan ko'ra foydasi kattaroq amaliy ishlar tarafdoriman), lekin, sizdan so'ramoqchiman, o'sha chiqqanlar o'z ishlarini tashlab, Rosululloh (s.a.v)ga nisbatan muhabbat yuzasidan chiqqan bo'lishsachi? Ularni bekorchilar, ishsizlar deb atash (unemployedmidi?) to'g'rimikin?

Sorry dude, I did not notice any love in these animals.

http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/world/images/060214protest.jpg

[R.Azimov]

Kecha Trafalgar Square ga borgandik biz ham.
Miting degan shunaqa bo'lishi kerak...
Na janjal to'polon, na ur-yiqit... Hammasi binoyidek, rejalashtirilgandek. Tinch yo'l bilan...
Lekin ba'zi "fanat"roq musulmonlar takbir paytida ozgina quyushqonidan chiqqanini hisobga olmasa...

R.A.

[Administrator]

those scandals only prove that there is a huge number of unemployed adults in muslim countries

no u are worng most of them are employed.


Sorry dude, I did not notice any love in these animals.

well dude, he is talkina bout love to prophet not to foreing embassies, when european animals(pigs) published those cartoons was that a love signal to islamic world?


Where is unity? Especially when comes to socio-economic development and cooperation: in Sub-Saharan Africa, in Pakistan/Kashmir earthquake victims who still in need, in Afganistan, Iraq, South-East Asia ... Where is Islamic unity to do something useful and helpful to people?

as i said there were no stimuls yet till cartoons were published.


If you think that bunch of people burning flags, buildings and making death threats around the world were acts of Islamic unity then think again. Those people were merely driven by media-hype and advocates of agressive action. The same applies to countries.

well , that is acccording to western media

[Administrator]

Sadly I haven't seen so called Islamic unity at all.

so i did till cartoons were published. :wink: as i said above

[Sayyoh]

incognito, why are these "animals" doing this? not bc their most beloved fellow human was being defamed? now check this out, Prophet Muhammad :saws: has died 14 centuries back. Now some extremist cartoonists are trying to depict him in a ridiculing manner. A Pakistani brother (just a wild pick, could be Syrian etc) goes out there and burns a flag, or crashes the windows of a Dutch embassy or just walks out peacefully with a banner in hands reading "no to such-and-such" IN RESPONSE to the offence which was inflicted on him. Now think, honey, this brother got out there and sometimes went beyonD limits because of... a man who died 14 centuries back...

Who was this person that even the fact that he ( :saws: ) lived and died 1400 years back plays such a major role in any CONTEMPORARY Muslims life?..

Inkognito, apparently you need to read some books on Prophet Muhammad ( :saws: 's) life...

You say you haven't found them to be offensive. And I say "May Allah swt guide you too to His straight path"

[referee]

Sorry dude, I did not notice any love in these animals.

http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/world/images/060214protest.jpg
If you call these hot-headed guys who throw molotov cocktails at empty buildings as "animals", then I suggest to check out the website below for you to have a better idea how animals do look in real life. And you may be living in the headquarters of such animal farm....

http://www.iraqvictims.com/torture_at_abu_ghraib_photos.asp

there are tonnes more photos on the net, and even more in private hands that profit from selling such horrible photos to other pervert animals in the West...

Sometimes I am amazed to see how some of our brothers are so quick to shout about reproachable, but understandable, reaction of Muslims to the aggression and opression, but then they are quiet as sheep in regards to our oppressors and aggressors.

How many of those here who critisize Muslims' reaction to cartoons in public, has dared to criticize daily provocations, oppressions and aggressions in public?

Remember, when the sh*t hits the fan, your being Muslim makes you as good a "target" for Islamophobs as those in Iraq or Afghanistan. Constructive discussion is one thing, but instead of attacking your own (we all equal "targets") think of facing up to those who are targeting you all....

[Bonik]

Just an interesting twist in this story. Three months before publishing those cartoons, the EDITOR of the same newspaper REFUSED to publish cartoons of Jesus.

Make your own conclusions...

[ДЖИГИТ]

Da blagoslovit Allah teh, kto boryutsya na puti Allaha i ne pozvolyayut nasmehat'sya nad svyatim prorokom Muhammedom sallollohu alayhi wasallam! Musul'mane vseh stran ob'edinyaytes'!

Ya lichno opravdivayu deystviya brat'ev musul'man, t.k. esli bi ne rezkaya otvetnaya reaktsiya nashih, to Zapad so svoey gniloy moral'yu i dal'she bi ne znal granits. Vsem tem, kto osmelivaetsya osujdat' nashih brat'ev, ya sovetuyu podumat' o tom, chto Zapad vitvoryaet s nashimi sestrami, materyami, brat'yami v Afgane, Irake pod lojnim predlogom terrorizma. Terrorism je est' deystviya Zapada, a znachit Zapad i est' zlo. Tot, kto jivyot na zapade prekrasno eto znayut, obidennaya jizn' zapada etomu primer - polnaya lji, ubiystv, grabejey, nasiliy, moral'noy degradatsii. Zapad skoro vimret so svoimi narodami i gniloy moral'yu!

[melo]

Why does everyone always try to compare behaviors? I do not live my life based on how others behave. So some stupid American soldier molested Iraqi prisoners, or some tupid Danish person drew some pictures. My job as a human being is to live a good life- not based at all on what other people do. You are always saying it is okay - because those people did that. You will have a hard time explaining this to God on judegement day.

What does this have to do with rioting and attacking foreign embassies. It is embarassing that people act like animals. Why would you ever try to explain this kind of behavior. I'm sure God favors rioting and is all for acting like monkeys. Someone find that for me in some religious book because that obviously makes it true.

[ДЖИГИТ]

Why does everyone always try to compare behaviors? I do not live my life based on how others behave. So some stupid American soldier molested Iraqi prisoners, or some tupid Danish person drew some pictures. My job as a human being is to live a good life- not based at all on what other people do. You are always saying it is okay - because those people did that. You will have a hard time explaining this to God on judegement day.

What does this have to do with rioting and attacking foreign embassies. It is embarassing that people act like animals. Why would you ever try to explain this kind of behavior. I'm sure God favors rioting and is all for acting like monkeys. Someone find that for me in some religious book because that obviously makes it true.

by PainKiller
Sorry dude, I did not notice any love in these animals.


You live your life to fill your stomack and put it out afterwards, this you call a good life. You don't live your life based on what others did because you are ideologically passive person, you don't have reaction because you also don't care of your community (if you are a muslim), if not then it is understandable, cuz this is the kind of impact Christianity has on people. Also you don't need to explain God, God knows what you did and why you did. In this case, muslims are doing it to protect the image of holy prophet! If you don't care, it is your problem with your beliefe.

Calling reaction an act of animals is just another mistake. To remind you that even animals or monkeys have a reaction, if you pose a threat to them they will react to it, however being a human you just express your kiddish moral who has no reaction. Actually you do have, only when somebody hurts you, but this is your egoism. Why muslims reacted by burning embassies? Why muslims did not react by depicting Jesus in a bad way? Because Muslims respect all prophets, muslims are not so ideologically degraded as "others". And you don't need to look for this in religios books, reaction is a natural behavior of all living beings!

[melo]

You are fooling yourself if you think people are doing this because they care about something. People are acting stupid for many reasons- none of which has anything to do with religion. The difference between animals and humans is very great. Humans have the ability to think and make responsible decisions. I believe people who are using their religion for their own purposes will be punished.

You live your life to fill your stomack and put it out afterwards, this you call a good life. You don't live your life based on what others did because you are ideologically passive person, you don't have reaction because you also don't care of your community (if you are a muslim), if not then it is understandable, cuz this is the kind of impact Christianity has on people. Also you don't need to explain God, God knows what you did and why you did. In this case, muslims are doing it to protect the image of holy prophet! If you don't care, it is your problem with your beliefe.

Calling reaction an act of animals is just another mistake. To remind you that even animals or monkeys have a reaction, if you pose a threat to them they will react to it, however being a human you just express your kiddish moral who has no reaction. Actually you do have, only when somebody hurts you, but this is your egoism. Why muslims reacted by burning embassies? Why muslims did not react by depicting Jesus in a bad way? Because Muslims respect all prophets, muslims are not so ideologically degraded as "others". And you don't need to look this in religios books, reaction is a natural behavior of all living beings!

[referee]

Why does everyone always try to compare behaviors?

It's not about comparing behaviours, but balancing things out. It's about trying to see wider picture of how things are. If one disregards the effect of current neo-imperialism with all its ugliness on Muslims, then his remarks on how those Muslims behave "uncivilisedly" are nonsensical because they react to the uncivilized and savage acts of aggression. The valid question here is if some of those acts and tactics are counter-productive or not...


So some stupid American soldier molested Iraqi prisoners, or some tupid Danish person drew some pictures. My job as a human being is to live a good life- not based at all on what other people do. You are always saying it is okay - because those people did that. You will have a hard time explaining this to God on judegement day.

That sounds like a double standard to me - there is no judgement on the actions by Americans and Europeans, but judging Muslims' actions is a instinctive things to do:shock: One will have harder time on judgement day when his answer to the question what he's done about injustices in the world would be "I only minded my business by observing and passing rare judgemend on uncool Muslims". The Prophet pbuh urged helping brothers when they were just (oppressed) by fighting for justice and unjust (oppressors) to prevent from committing injustice...


What does this have to do with rioting and attacking foreign embassies. It is embarassing that people act like animals. Why would you ever try to explain this kind of behavior.

Have a thought about slaves in the past! They were seen by slave masters as animals whatever they did, because the system was devised to make them look and believe they were less than humans.

Now, there is a concerted effort by neo-imperialists to create a similar system when Muslims would look like uncivilised whatever they do. Such treatment of Muslims will help to dominate them physically and mentally as well as justify such actions to domestic audience. And provocations like cartoons, acts of aggressions like Iraq or systematic Islamophobia are only the means to achieve ends. In such context of enslaving Muslim community, some Muslims do feel embarrased when they realise the weakness and disunity of the Umma (current over-reaction to cartoons is a sign of despair and weakness), while others even become self-hating Muslims.

Humanity has seen this before - when as a result of uncivilized colonization of popularly believed "civilized" Europeans, black Africans felt they were as good as monkeys and white people were their gods!

So, to think and try to explain actions of our community is a sign of reason, self-respect and humanity. But trying to swiftly label such and such as "animals", especially your own, is a sad evidence of some successful self-hatred campaign propogated by Islamophobs in the West....

[Daphne]

If you think that bunch of people burning flags, buildings and making death threats around the world were acts of Islamic unity then think again. Those people were merely driven by media-hype and advocates of agressive action. The same applies to countries.

Furthermore embargos and boycots hurt Danish economy but not as much as those boycotting it!They have taken most sacred Person in our religion made him look like an Idiot!!! what do u expect potluck dinner with candels and postcards!!! Plus u are not in a position to discuss who is gonna get into financial strain because of those boycots... Dignity should always come first...

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You are fooling yourself if you think people are doing this because they care about something. People are acting stupid for many reasons- none of which has anything to do with religion. The difference between animals and humans is very great. Humans have the ability to think and make responsible decisions. I believe people who are using their religion for their own purposes will be punished.

Well, then maybe you say they did not depict holy prophet Muhammad (s.a.w)? Then do you know what purposes they pursue? Maybe you read their minds? Maybe there was no cartoon at all? What esle will you invent? Of course people die for an insult to holy prophet, you can't believe it because your Imaan is weak! We talk about reaction, reaction is as strong as your belief. We are not talking about thinking abilities of humans and animals. Belief in turn is based on thinking!

[kipchak]

Why does everyone always try to compare behaviors? I do not live my life based on how others behave. So some stupid American soldier molested Iraqi prisoners, or some tupid Danish person drew some pictures. My job as a human being is to live a good life- not based at all on what other people do. You are always saying it is okay - because those people did that. You will have a hard time explaining this to God on judegement day.

What does this have to do with rioting and attacking foreign embassies. It is embarassing that people act like animals. Why would you ever try to explain this kind of behavior. I'm sure God favors rioting and is all for acting like monkeys. Someone find that for me in some religious book because that obviously makes it true.

Forgive me my brothers and sister, but i think that talking to such people like the above mentioned guy is just useless. He is here to provoke things and etc. So i maybe be a bad representative of Islam, but i would personally kicked his a*s for humiliating all of us by comparing us to monkeys. Some of us pray for you you idiot, and some are trying to explain you the wholyness in Islam. Where as you have no sacredness in your life, besides your belly and carnal desires.

Estagfirullah, when will this conspiracy be over?.. when will we be given opportunity to meet with our enemies eye to an eye?

[Pinkie]

:salam: Administrator

At least from my observation, our Ummah is so divided. Muslims come in all different flavors: Sunni, Shia, Sufi, Salafi and other sects I don't know about. I understand why we have such "division" in the first place but then it gets out of hand when someone decides to stand up and yell "HARAM!" just because that person belongs to a deviant sect :rolleyes:. Our masjids in the United States in Europe are divided according to ethnic group. One masjid has more Turks, the other masjid has more Pakistanis and so on. When I went to my Muslim Student Association meeting in my college, it felt like I was going to an embassy rather than a serious meeting about issues concerning the Ummah. Everyone just kept chatting with their "fellow countrymen", of course they said salam to when someone walked in but c'mon: lets get real.

I am sorry for the calamity that has fallen on our Muslim brothers and sisters around the globe. Do you know why Western media is able to walk all over those "Moslems"? Because we don't care about each other. We pick issues that we are concerned about and then we stay silent about other concerns.

I am making du'a that this will be the beginning steps of unity, :insha:.

[melo]

#1- bring it anytime , anyplace

#2- I wasn't calling you a monkey.

#3- If you agree with such measure of rioting and killing innocent brothers and sisters- of course I am will call you a monkey. During riots they are accidentally killing each other. And they don't even have a point. What are they protesting? They are randomly attacking embassies and foreign businesses- what does that have to do with a cartoon in Denmark? Please explain. I would be ashamed if my friends or family behaved in such ways.

I am not anti- muslim, I am anti-stupid people like you.

Forgive me my brothers and sister, but i think that talking to such people like the above mentioned guy is just useless. He is here to provoke things and etc. So i maybe be a bad representative of Islam, but i would personally kicked his a*s for humiliating all of us by comparing us to monkeys. Some of us pray for you you idiot, and some are trying to explain you the wholyness in Islam. Where as you have no sacredness in your life, besides your belly and carnal desires.

Estagfirullah, when will this conspiracy be over?.. when will we be given opportunity to meet with our enemies eye to an eye?

[PainKiller]

You are fooling yourself if you think people are doing this because they care about something. People are acting stupid for many reasons- none of which has anything to do with religion. The difference between animals and humans is very great. Humans have the ability to think and make responsible decisions. I believe people who are using their religion for their own purposes will be punished.
Dear atpaint,
I totally agree with ur posts. In russian it is called "Стадное чувство". The animalistic instinct. To follow the mass, though u do not know urself what is going on. Saudi Arabia boycotted danish products, but first, I would love to see them doing something against human trafficking and prostitution in this country. I think, this wouldbe better than tripping about a stupid guy, who might have never even known what he was doing.
I am very ashamed of those people who are burning and destroying foreign embassies (not only danish ones, LOL) and properties. I think they are extremely stupid, and not all muslims are like this. For example me.:D

[melo]

I think there are so many problems that the muslim world has to deal with. Arab countries are full of their own problems- I won't even start with central asia. I understand peaceful protests about the cartoon- this is how civilized people act. Pakistan was never threatened by Denmark and its evil society. I doubt many people in Pakistan read whatever stupid danish newspaper that is either. Does anybody else sense other motives?????:rolleyes:


Dear atpaint,
I totally agree with ur posts. In russian it is called "Стадное чувство". The animalistic instinct. To follow the mass, though u do not know urself what is going on. Saudi Arabia boycotted danish products, but first, I would love to see them doing something against human trafficking and prostitution in this country. I think, this wouldbe better than tripping about a stupid guy, who might have never even known what he was doing.
I am very ashamed of those people who are burning and destroying foreign embassies (not only danish ones, LOL) and properties. I think they are extremely stupid, and not all muslims are like this. For example me.:D

[kipchak]

#1- bring it anytime , anyplace

#2- I wasn't calling you a monkey.

#3- If you agree with such measure of rioting and killing innocent brothers and sisters- of course I am will call you a monkey. During riots they are accidentally killing each other. And they don't even have a point. What are they protesting? They are randomly attacking embassies and foreign businesses- what does that have to do with a cartoon in Denmark? Please explain. I would be ashamed if my friends or family behaved in such ways.

I am not anti- muslim, I am anti-stupid people like you.

1. anytime anyplace - hahaha, i forgive you for this boldness, pal, what are you an omnipresent magician?

2. You said those muslims in the picture are muslims, i am a muslim, it is a brotherhood, so calling them means calling other 1.5 billion people monkeys

4. They are protesting against the zionist neoimperialism of US,Israel and their cursed allies like EU. This is a spit into the face of Islam, so what people expect? that we will swallow it like we have been doing for the past centuries?.. You should be ashamed not for your family's undone deeds, but for your judgement.

The same goes for you friends who says smt about crowdness effect, you guys are hypocrits. Allah will judge us all, but personally i despise people like you, cowards.

subhanallah

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Dear atpaint,
I totally agree with ur posts. In russian it is called "Стадное чувство". The animalistic instinct. To follow the mass, though u do not know urself what is going on. Saudi Arabia boycotted danish products, but first, I would love to see them doing something against human trafficking and prostitution in this country. I think, this wouldbe better than tripping about a stupid guy, who might have never even known what he was doing.
I am very ashamed of those people who are burning and destroying foreign embassies (not only danish ones, LOL) and properties. I think they are extremely stupid, and not all muslims are like this. For example me.:D

You are ashamed of those who dare to react to the insult to holy prophet, because you have no respect to him and don't stand on defence of Islam, you having arrived in the US, spit on the image of Islam, criticise insted of protecting, and you say you are a muslim, while muslims must defend and protect their religion, you are like one of those people who are treasoners within, now you are good in US, have money and food, so well you try to say: "not all muslims are like this, for example me ", right, there are muslims like you who support crusade against Islam, who are silent (worse than animals, who at least instinctively react to the action) when others insult holy prophet, depict Islam in a way of terror. No wonder it is clear that people like you succumb to the values and morales of the west, you kneel before west, you value western values, you want that western phantom of democracy spreads to Islam, and so you become a treasoner, muslim in the name but not the meaning. How pitiful you r. Every man with dignity will react no matter if it is peaceful or violent reaction to the insult of his mother, so do muslims react to this insult to our prophet Muhammad sallollohu alayhi wasallam. May Allah give you wisdom!

[var]

Ya lichno opravdivayu deystviya brat'ev musul'man, t.k. esli bi ne rezkaya otvetnaya reaktsiya nashih, to Zapad so svoey gniloy moral'yu i dal'she bi ne znal granits. Vsem tem, kto osmelivaetsya osujdat' nashih brat'ev, ya sovetuyu podumat' o tom, chto Zapad vitvoryaet s nashimi sestrami, materyami, brat'yami v Afgane, Irake pod lojnim predlogom terrorizma. Terrorism je est' deystviya Zapada, a znachit Zapad i est' zlo. Tot, kto jivyot na zapade prekrasno eto znayut, obidennaya jizn' zapada etomu primer - polnaya lji, ubiystv, grabejey, nasiliy, moral'noy degradatsii. Zapad skoro vimret so svoimi narodami i gniloy moral'yu!
Твой пост почти один в один похож на Советскую пропаганду, только с религиозным оттенком. :lol:

[ДЖИГИТ]

Твой пост почти один в один похож на Советскую пропаганду, только с религиозным оттенком. :lol:

Ti snachalo privedi primer sovetskoy propagandi. Sovetskoy propagande nikak nel'zya dat' religiozniy ottenok, nu nikak, tak kak sovetskaya propaganda ateistichna, a religioznaya est' tomu protivopolojnaya! Nado bilo podumat'.:D

[var]

Ti snachalo privedi primer sovetskoy propagandi. Sovetskoy propagande nikak nel'zya dat' religiozniy ottenok, nu nikak, tak kak sovetskaya propaganda ateistichna, a religioznaya est' tomu protivopolojnaya! Nado bilo podumat'.:D
да какая разница по какому признаку ты объединяешь людей, в советской пропаганде объединяли рабочих и крестьян, у тебя братья про религии. И там и там постоянно был виноват загнивающий запад на который и ты наезжаешь:) . И там и там ему предрекали и предрекают скорую гибель...:)

[ДЖИГИТ]

да какая разница по какому признаку ты объединяешь людей, в советской пропаганде объединяли рабочих и крестьян, у тебя братья про религии. И там и там постоянно был виноват загнивающий запад на который и ты наезжаешь:) . И там и там ему предрекали и предрекают скорую гибель...:)

Raznitsa bol'shaya, ti ne vidish ' raznitsi, dlya tebya moral' i ideologiya veri ne imeet znacheniya, a dlya musul'man imeet samoe bol'shoe znachenie. Naschot zapada, ya ne somnevayus', obshestvo uje davno gniyot, te, kto projivaet na zapade eto znayut, za isklyucheniem teh, kto bogotvorit zapadnie tsennosti i slepo verit vsemu "zapadnomu". A gibel' eto fakt, dokazano istoriey.

Koran, sura AsShu'ro, (Sovet):

40.
А воздаянием за зло
Есть зло, подобное ему.
Тому же, кто простит и восстановит мир,
Назначена награда у Аллаха, -
Ведь Он не любит преступивших
(Пределы, установленные Им).

41.
А кто под (тяжестью) обид
Способен (за себя стоять и) защищаться, -
За теми нет вины;

42.
Вина за теми лишь,
Которые несут обиды людям,
Злодействуя по всей земле
Без всякой справедливости и права.
Для них - мучительная кара.

[referee]

here's example of what i was saying earlier about how any Muslim can become a target of harassment and provocations ...

Guantánamo actors questioned under terror act after film festival[/SIZE]
Vikram Dodd
Tuesday February 21, 2006
Guardian
Four actors who play al-Qaida suspects in a British movie that won a prestigious prize were detained by the police at Luton airport as they returned from the Berlin Film Festival and questioned under anti-terror laws, alongside two of the former terrorism suspects they play on screen.

They were returning last Thursday after the premiere of the film, The Road to Guantánamo. It depicts the life of three men from Tipton in the West Midlands, who go to Afghanistan and end up being held for two years by the US at its military base on Cuba before being released without charge.

The film, directed by Michael Winterbottom, won the Silver Bear award for direction at Berlin on Sunday. Released in Britain next month, it depicts the alleged shackling, torture and other ill treatment the Tipton detainees claim they suffered at the hands of the Americans.

The film's producers say four actors from the film, who all play terrorism suspects, were detained at Luton airport after flying back from Germany on an easyJet flight. They included Rizwan Ahmed and Farhad Harun, who were stopped along with Shafiq Rasul and Rhuhel Ahmed, the former Guantánamo inmates they play on screen.

In a statement, Rizwan Ahmed said police swore at him and asked if he had become an actor to further the Islamic cause. He said he was at first denied access to a lawyer and was questioned about his views on the Iraq war by a policewoman. "She asked me whether I intended to do more documentary films, specifically more political ones like The Road to Guantánamo. She asked 'Did you become an actor mainly to do films like this, to publicise the struggles of Muslims?'

Mr Ahmed alleged that he had a telephone wrestled from his hand as he tried to contact a lawyer and was later abused. He claimed that one police officer had called him a "****er".
Melissa Parmenter, co-producer of the film, described the detention and questioning as outrageous.
A spokeswoman for Bedfordshire police, which patrols Luton airport, said that none of the six men had been arrested. "The police officers wanted to ask them some questions under the counter-terrorism act," she said. "All were released within the hour. Part of the counter-terrorism act allows us to stop and examine people if something happens that might be suspicious."

http://film.guardian.co.uk/print/0,,329417029-3156,00.html

[var]

Raznitsa bol'shaya, ti ne vidish ' raznitsi, dlya tebya moral' i ideologiya veri ne imeet znacheniya, a dlya musul'man imeet samoe bol'shoe znachenie. Naschot zapada, ya ne somnevayus', obshestvo uje davno gniyot, te, kto projivaet na zapade eto znayut, za isklyucheniem teh, kto bogotvorit zapadnie tsennosti i slepo verit vsemu "zapadnomu".
Западная культура, слишком огромна для того что бы можно было все прировнять к какому то одному показателю.
И вообще почему так сложилось что наиболее востребовано именно западное образование? Там ведь в любом случае прививаеться хоть какой-то процент из гнилых западных ценностей???

A gibel' eto fakt, dokazano istoriey.

Как же доказано историей, ты пишешь так как будто уже все народы Европпы вымерли. Попутал ты что-то ;-)
Еще все забывают Южную Америку а там тоже доминируют "гнилые" западные ценности.

[Mona Lisa]

They have taken most sacred Person in our religion made him look like an Idiot!!! So, you base your faith/respect according to what other poeple say or do? Especially those who aren't even familier with that person.

what do u expect potluck dinner with candels and postcards!!!

Perhaps not! I would expect people show real means of Islam and do everything in a peaceful manner.
Plus u are not in a position to discuss who is gonna get into financial strain because of those boycots... Dignity should always come first...
Please don't tell me what I'm entitled to say! Rationality makes more sence than emotional drive. In those countries where people boycotting means that exact muslim shop owner, ordinary muslims working/living because of such economic activity and local economy get the hit way before the corporate pocket and economy somewhere in Europe. Some dignified actions backfire first before making any futher moves ...

Speaking of dignity... it's alright to burn down buildings and rioting on the streets which are fruits of someones hard labour and effort. It's perfectly acceptable to make death threats, or even watch people struggling to live and die of hunger, cold and illness. But hey what the heck some danish newspaper draw stupid pictures, let's get busy killing oversleves and arson.

[Administrator]

So, you base your faith/respect according to what other poeple say or do? Especially those who aren't even familier with that person.

hosh unda neha holocustni deny qlganlarni jazolashadi ovruopada?

[PHOENIX]

Очередной дерзкий карикатур-акт прогремел вчера в Копенгагене, —
сообщает газета "Аль-Дания". Подкравшись к месту большого скопления
мусульман, карикатурист-смертник внезапно распахнул плащ и
продемонстрировал всем карикатуру на пророка, закрепленную на поясе. В
результате десятки людей были госпитализированы с психическими травмами,
а один человек погиб на месте. Президент России призвал цивилизованные
страны к еще более решительной борьбе с международным карикатуризмом, а
президент США объявил награду в 50 миллионов долларов за голову
карикатуриста номер один, скрывающегося где-то в горах Дании.

[referee]

Очередной дерзкий карикатур-акт прогремел вчера в Копенгагене, —
сообщает газета "Аль-Дания". Подкравшись к месту большого скопления
мусульман, карикатурист-смертник внезапно распахнул плащ и
продемонстрировал всем карикатуру на пророка, закрепленную на поясе. В
результате десятки людей были госпитализированы с психическими травмами,
а один человек погиб на месте. Президент России призвал цивилизованные
страны к еще более решительной борьбе с международным карикатуризмом, а
президент США объявил награду в 50 миллионов долларов за голову
карикатуриста номер один, скрывающегося где-то в горах Дании.

it's an expression of bad taste presented as a poor joke that raises questions about sense of humour, which "the joke" is tryng to prove ...

[PHOENIX]

it's an expression of bad taste presented as a poor joke that raises questions about sense of humour, which "the joke" is tryng to prove ...

uh ty!!! http://us.i1.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/i/mesg/emoticons7/13.gif applause!!!! :lool:

[erkak#1]

Очередной дерзкий карикатур-акт прогремел вчера в Копенгагене, —
сообщает газета "Аль-Дания". Подкравшись к месту большого скопления
мусульман, карикатурист-смертник внезапно распахнул плащ и
продемонстрировал всем карикатуру на пророка, закрепленную на поясе. В
результате десятки людей были госпитализированы с психическими травмами,
а один человек погиб на месте. Президент России призвал цивилизованные
страны к еще более решительной борьбе с международным карикатуризмом, а
президент США объявил награду в 50 миллионов долларов за голову
карикатуриста номер один, скрывающегося где-то в горах Дании.

:lool: :lool: :lool: :lool: :lool: :lool: :lool: :lool: :lool: :lool:

[Administrator]

a yesli on pokazal karikaturu na holokost naverno ves yevropa okzalsa bi v psih bolnitse.

[Alexandria]

Когда то американцы поступили очень плохо, сбросив 2 атомные бомбы на
Японию, но зато с тех пор мы не слышим об японских фанатиках
экстремистах и японской военщине – а знаем совсем другую Японию! А с мусульманами янки почему-то цацкаются, да извиняются...


No comments. Source: www.anekdot.ru (http://www.anekdot.ru)

[PHOENIX]

Когда то американцы поступили очень плохо, сбросив 2 атомные бомбы на
Японию, но зато с тех пор мы не слышим об японских фанатиках
экстремистах и японской военщине – а знаем совсем другую Японию! А с мусульманами янки почему-то цацкаются, да извиняются...


No comments. Source: www.anekdot.ru (http://www.anekdot.ru)

Да ты че, совсем того???

No comments говоришь...а ни фига! изволь объясниться! :twisted:

[referee]

Когда то американцы поступили очень плохо, сбросив 2 атомные бомбы на
Японию, но зато с тех пор мы не слышим об японских фанатиках
экстремистах и японской военщине – а знаем совсем другую Японию! А с мусульманами янки почему-то цацкаются, да извиняются...
No comments. Source: www.anekdot.ru (http://www.anekdot.ru)

I think you may have a wrong idea about this forum.
It's not a place to post blatant racist anecdotes by some chavinist "jokers" from the anekdot.ru!
Have courtesy to get to know the forum and its users before flouting the rules and offending the users by posting rubbish...

[Alexandria]

Take it easy, dear forumers.

Даже в самой плоской шутке есть доля правды.

Вышеприведенная не отражает каких-то предпочтений Западу или Востоку. И в сегодняшнем мире она останется только шуткой, со своей долей правды.

[Administrator]

a vot islamskiy mir ne yapmoniya i ideya s atomnoy bomboy mojet obernutsa effektem bumeranga.u yapini ne bilo atomnoy bombi no vrode u paksitana ano imeyetsa da?vot i poetimu yanki цацкаются, да извиняются...

[PALESTINE]

whatever any one said about the muslim works to defend the beloved propet mohammed saaw, this work reflects the islamic brotherhood.

reflects the great love and respect for the great prophet, the great leader, the great maker of human justice and historical victory against pagan, the great prophet of humanity, rasoul allah mohammed salla allahu alaihi wa sallam .

and the muslim ummah must be great, as belongs to this great prophet, and so, they must teach the world the great meaning of mohammed saaw, who is he, his works, his personality, his justice, his prophethood.

and when all muslims repell to defend honour of rasoul allah mohammed salla allahu alaihi wa sallam that reflect unity in feelings, unity of thoughts and beleivings, as one hand and one body, as the rasoul allah said (muslims in there feelings towards them selves, love, mercy, fearing on them selves, as one body, if any part hurted, all the body hurted)

that reflects how muslims must be according to orders of islam and mohammed saaw, united as one body, there senses are united .