View Full Version : Sunnis vs. Shias in Iraq???
HAKIKAT
02-23-2006, 10:03 AM
Fears of a civil war in Iraq are growing as sectarian violence continues over the bombing of a Shia shrine in the city of Samarra. There have been protests throughout Baghdad and other cities across the country. Authorities say they have found at least 50 bodies of people believed to have been killed in reprisal attacks on Sunni mosques...
http://www.euronews.net/create_html.php?page=detail_info&article=345146&lng=1
Do you really believe Sunnis bombed Shia shrine?
Your opinions please,
I do believe Sunnis bombed the shrine. It is no different than any of the Iraqi violenc that has happened. They are trying to provoke one another.
This has nothing to do with religion or beliefs. This is a power struggle. Without Saddam Hussain controlling the population- Iraqis have the ability now to fight amongst themselves. The US was stupid in invading Iarq thinking they could control different factions or have a democratically elected government. I believe the US had two main goals in invading Iraq- oil and stability in the middle east. Problem is- unless the US is willing to comit genocide on one group- these groups will always be at war. For all those people who complain about the US and its evil fear tactics- it must not be as effective as what Saddam Hussain did.
Royal
02-23-2006, 10:22 AM
Do you really believe Sunnis bombed Shia shrine?
Nope
I do believe Sunnis bombed the shrine.
Are You sure ???
They are trying to provoke one another.
this answers by itself...
Who has motive to bomb the shrine?
Ahmet
02-23-2006, 10:31 AM
This has nothing to do with religion or beliefs. This is a power struggle.
I do support atpaint's above mentioned statement but as to this provocative action I would say there was some "third party".
Iran's President, for example accused Zionists of these bombings...
UzLand
02-23-2006, 10:51 AM
I do support atpaint's above mentioned statement but as to this provocative action I would say there was some "third party".
Iran's President, for example accused Zionists of these bombings...
Everything is possible. Hope an investigation will show what really happened. Also, the blame is on the Zarqawi's men. Because seeing al-Qaida people blow up more peaceful Iraqis everyday than US or coalition troops, I would assume that they would not stop from bombing a shrine too.
Ulugbek_99
02-23-2006, 11:18 AM
Some Sunni Leaders blamed Shias for planning it so they can have pretext to attack Sunni mosques. However, that doesn't seem very logical. Logic is Sunnis are denying it and Shia would not have done it.
I think there is a third party who would benefit from the sufferings of Iraqi people by just watching the country tear itself apart. Who would that be?
Some Sunni Leaders blamed Shias for planning it so they can have pretext to attack Sunni mosques. However, that doesn't seem very logical. Logic is Sunnis are denying it and Shia would not have done it.
I think there is a third party who would benefit from the sufferings of Iraqi people by just watching the country tear itself apart. Who would that be?
The only country that would benefit from it would be Iraq's sworn enemy Iran. Any other ideas?
referee
02-23-2006, 11:24 AM
I personally can't believe any Muslim is able to bomb a mosque, it does not matter if it's shia or sunni. But Iraq is in such a mess now that few people know what's happening there on the ground. I am sure it's a provocation, and as in any provocation follow the one who'd benefit from such provocation. The answer may lie in the outsiders... Divide and rule is the old formula of the true provocators....
HAKIKAT
02-23-2006, 11:30 AM
The only country that would benefit from it would be Iraq's sworn enemy Iran. Any other ideas?
I read now, Iran blames Israel and USA either...
Ulugbek_99
02-23-2006, 11:38 AM
The only country that would benefit from it would be Iraq's sworn enemy Iran. Any other ideas?
Well, Iran suffered much from their previous war with Iraq. However, Iran should have known that igniting a civil war would harm not only their sworn enemies (mostly Sunnis who led the war), but also Shia population too. Generally, whole country would suffer.
Doesn't the situation remind anyone of the popular tactic invaders have used everywhere throughout the history? "Keep them fighting and weak, then you can control them" Coalition forces have been targets of the attacks, now they will passively watch both sides fight each other. Isn't that beneficiary to them?
Well, Iran suffered much from their previous war with Iraq. However, Iran should have known that igniting a civil war would harm not only their sworn enemies (mostly Sunnis who led the war), but also Shia population too. Generally, whole country would suffer.
Doesn't the situation remind anyone of the popular tactic invaders have used everywhere throughout the history? "Keep them fighting and weak, then you can control them" Coalition forces have been targets of the attacks, now they will passively watch both sides fight each other. Isn't that beneficiary to them?
What is the goal of the "coalition" forces? I think it is oil and stability. Can't use the oil with all the fighting. The "coalition" forces would prefer someone like Saddam Hussain to control his people and do whatever the west wants (see the history of Iran and South America). There is no logic in them wanting people to fight each other. Maybe the individuak "coalition" soldiers like it- but not their governments. If they wanted control they would just start wiping people out- ala Saddam Hussain so they would be too scared to fight back.
Royal
02-23-2006, 01:10 PM
if between both side any confrontations so that is usefull to not to withdrawal of the us troops.
Pinkie
02-23-2006, 01:31 PM
Fears of a civil war in Iraq are growing as sectarian violence continues over the bombing of a Shia shrine in the city of Samarra. There have been protests throughout Baghdad and other cities across the country. Authorities say they have found at least 50 bodies of people believed to have been killed in reprisal attacks on Sunni mosques...
http://www.euronews.net/create_html.php?page=detail_info&article=345146&lng=1
Do you really believe Sunnis bombed Shia shrine?
Your opinions please,
I don't believe Sunnis would blow up a Shia shrine no matter how much anamosity there is between them :rolleyes:.
Administrator
02-23-2006, 01:40 PM
Who has motive to bomb the shrine?
for example russia,china ,iran and all powers who are interested in weakining the usa ,they want usa to stay there next 100 years.
Ulugbek_99
02-23-2006, 01:48 PM
if between both side any confrontations so that is usefull to not to withdrawal of the us troops.
Royal,
You "took my words right out of my mouth". I agree, that is one of the hypothesis.
Ulugbek_99
02-23-2006, 01:57 PM
I don't believe Sunnis would blow up a Shia shrine no matter how much anamosity there is between them :rolleyes:.
That is right. If they had intention, they would have done it long time ago. For instance, they would have attacked right after it became known that Shia dominated military arrested more than hundreds of Sunnis in raids and tortured them and so on. They would have attacked the mosque when the insurgency was at the top of its peak. Sunni militia would have done it long ago if they wanted. There is something more to that: It is not one of "those" attacks, it is the attack that organizers of which knew what kind of effect (civil war) it would have, and where things would go. It was not only to hurt Shias, it was to intentionally start a civil war. Be it Russia, China or Iran, or even the Coalition, the Iraqi people are not in favor of civil war, it is not something they are eagerly waiting for, but they will fight each other if they are pushed into that situation.
Administrator
02-23-2006, 02:33 PM
only KGBist Putin has a motive to organize such kind of actions
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