Scientists find evidence supporting universe expansion

[Akhee-Abdullah]

:info:Scientists find evidence supporting universe expansion:info:

WASHINGTON, March 16 (Xinhuanet) -- Scientists said Thursday that with the aid of NASA's WMAP spacecraft, they have found evidence that the universe went through a rapid expansion in less than a trillionth of a second after the Big Bang, which is believed to give birth to the universe.

From what they called "the most precise measurements of our infant universe" by the WMAP (Wilkinson Microwave Anisotropy Probe), scientists have found "new evidence that the universe suddenly grew from sub-microscopic to astronomical size in less than the blink of an eye," said physicist Charles Bennett of Johns Hopkins University, principal investigator for the WMAP spacecraft.

"This tremendous inflation of the universe happened in much less than a trillionth of a second," he said at a telephone news conference.

The evidence came from the analysis of brightness variations in the cosmic microwave background. The WMAP detected light that was produced in the early universe and seen in the form of faint microwaves. This early light helped scientists perceive tiny variations in the infant universe, where nothing but tiny differences in temperature existed.

Scientists said these tiny temperature differences formed patterns that eventually clumped into stars, galaxies and planets.

The WMAP's latest observations confirmed WMAP scientists' estimate three years ago of the age of the universe, at about 13.7 billion years, but revised the time they reported of stars beginning to shine to 400 million years after the Big Bang from 200 million years.

The discoveries are scheduled to be published in a future issue of the Astrophysical Journal.

The WMAP was launched by NASA in 2001, and it is expected to work through September 2009. The probe is now about 1.6 million km away from the Earth. Enditem

Source http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/2006-03/17/content_4313194.htm

[Akhee-Abdullah]

Delf and Chicagoan-

Please continue your discussion in the private messages. I am sorry I had to delete your posts...but what you were talking was completely off the topic.

Others-

Let's discuss the topic.

[Akhee-Abdullah]

Let's discuss the news bit by bit...I am not a science guy...I happened to be interested in so if I make any mistakes please correct me do not rush to slam me : )

I wonder about these portions of the article:

they have found evidence that the universe went through a rapid expansion in less than a trillionth of a second after the Big Bang, which is believed to give birth to the universe.

...scientists have found "new evidence that the universe suddenly grew from sub-microscopic to astronomical size in less than the blink of an eye"

"This tremendous inflation of the universe happened in much less than a trillionth of a second"

Is not He, Who created the heavens and the earth Able to create the like of them? Yes, indeed! He is the All-Knowing Supreme Creator. Verily, His Command, when He intends a thing, is only that He says to it, "Be!" and it is! (Translation of the meaning of Ya-Sin 36:81-82)

It just makes me to wonder...as if this verse was revealed to explain this matter to us clearly...that it does not take The Creator/Al-Khaliq anything to create the entire Universe....While it takes years and even decades to build some sky scrapers, towers and etc ...

While Allah (All the Praises and Beatiful Names Belong to Him only) created the entire universe at the blink of an eye, rather even less than that...actually at no time would be corect...

"This tremendous inflation of the universe happened in much less than a trillionth of a second"

beatifully explains at no time...that's it did not take Allah subhanahu ta'la to create the entire Universe....meaning He is not in need of Time to create anything...since He is owner and the creator of time itself....

The whole thought of "less than a trillionth of a sec" puts me in awe...I wonder how great Allah's creation is and how insignificant we, mankind, are...

I do not want this thread to become a religious polemic : ) even if it has become one...I apologize dear forumers for going of the track....

All I wanted to say was...I just cannot digest this information...not that I won't accept it as a valid theory to explain the origin of the Universe...it is just impossible to comprehend and visually experience the whole process of it....too overwhelming....

Since we are talking about the Universe....let's discuss the building blocks of the Universe....the stuff in it....what makes it and etc...

Any science minded forumers? Please say something about this phenonmenon and enlighten us with your knowledge of what matters, time and space are...the fundamentals of every 3 dimensional existence...

I was talking with a guy once...he told me that existence is the function of 3 fundamentals of existence...namely...

Matter-the stuff that I am made of....

Time-10.32 pm EST, March 18, 2006 AC and

Space-the chair that I am sitting on, the area I am occupying as a living beast that walks on his two feet...


And then he added that everything that we know of in "existence" is the function of those three things...My brain was about to blow up and stop functioning with such a precise definition of an existence....then he added,

"it is de definition of 3D world that we know of...there is a 4D world and etc...definition changes....if you continue on adding conditions..."

[Akhee-Abdullah]

Story...continues...

I told that guy..."Dude....I am a social-scientist...not a natural scientist...cannot really comprehend the stuff that you saying to me..."

He replied saying "everyone feels the same, even the natural scientists...the trick is you should not try to comprehend...." and gave an article to read so that I can better understand him....

Here comes the article...

Thinking Apart From Our Senses


The country of the blind by H.G. wells, is the story of an explorer who accidentally came upon a land where everyone was blind, and have been blind for many generations. Since the explorer could see and the inhabitants could not and have not seen anything for a long time, there were drastic differences in the concepts of space and time, physics, beauty, and use of language.

Since no one in the land of the blind had sight, the explorer appeared to have a mysterious ability to predict and visualize things which they could not, which at the same time frightened them since they did not understand what this mysterious ability was.

This story brought up an interesting point, our concept of reality is wholly determined by our senses, it is how we interpret and formalize our senses that allows us to construct theories of physics.

Imagine trying to learn math if you where blind, how different would our concept of a the derivative, the curve, the fraction, or any other mathematical concept be. How would we manipulate and solve problems?? Obviously we could not visualize, but we could "visualize" with our fingers, or hearing. How could we learn physics?? How could we understand classical mechanics, or electomagnetics?? How about General relativity??

I bring up this point, not to put down blind people, but to help everyone realize that WE are the blind people. We cannot "see" the 4th dimension like we can the usual 3, yet we have general relativity. We cannot "see" or "feel" an atom, or an electron yet we have quantum physics. Many may say that we build scientific instruments to extend our senses, but we still build our intution of these theories from "classical" concepts based on objects on our scale. It took men of genius to "reason" outside of their senses to realize that reality is much different than what our senses tell us.

Imagine how we would appear to the inhabitants of the land of the blind, imagine how difficult it would be for them to understand the exsistence of other planets, or black holes, or electromagnetic phenomena, yet to us it would be relatively easy. The addition of one more sense makes such a radical difference in the ease of understanding certain phenomena.

When it comes to quantum physics and relativity we are "blind" to an intutitive understanding since we lack the senses to detect effects at those scales. We are like the blind trying to understand a 3-D curve, or a machine. It would be a beneficial exercise to understand a mathematical or physics concept without visualization. We should ask ourselves how would a blind person understand netwonian mechanics or a derivative, thereby allowing us to obtain a radically different world view.

This could allow us to realize how our senses limit our ability to intuitively understand quantum mechanics and general relativity and how to overcome or compensate for it. We can begin to reason apart from our senses, and grasp the concept intutively in a radically different manner.

[Akhee-Abdullah]

Conclusion:-we are the "blind" people...who cannot comprehend the 4D world...the same way a "blind" man cannot visualise what "Joconde" is, we cannot visualise the creation of the Universe in the trillionth of second....Now what about the One who Originated the Entire Universe?!!! Subhanallah!!! How Perfect He is, the One free from all Imperections!!!

[chicagoan]

Mashallah,

You are the light of this forum, bro.

By your light, you are making this a lecture board, not a message board for discussion.

Maybe, I overreacted to some dumb comments on my posts, but there was an outgrowth of the topic.

Allohumma inni as'aluka ilman nafian...

amin,

wassalam,

mr

[Iqbol]

:info:Scientists find evidence supporting universe expansion:info:

For those who see and think, there are many evidences in the universe.
Your story can be one proof among many others to show the creationist nature of the universe.
There was a TV program on the universe with two Bogdanski brothers who are famous for popularizing sciences among common people in France. They were talking about the character of the universe. They said that the universe was expanding without stop. That means, the universe was smaller yesterday than today. And, so on, you can go up to the start of the universe. If you go to the first second of the existence of the universe, you will find the smallest point where the universe will be in the smallest size you can imagine. In this point, these scientists said that, as many of scientific people hold a materialistic point of view, they all stuck into this point and can not go further back. Because, if they make a step further they wil meet no-existence of the universe and they must admit that the universe didn't exist before a certain point in the history and it was made into existence by an exterior force or process.
But, for admitting that you must be free of scientific, religious or any other dogmas.
PS. Hoe I was able to explain my point in an understandable English.

[Delf]

Akhee-Abdullah,

It may seem of tremendous importance things scientists discover.
But what matters most is how scientists arrive to these conclusions and discoveries.

Noone starts with some holy book and works his way from there. This proved to be a wrong way.

Instead, you do your best to learn existing scientific knowledge, and if you have a better idea about something - you put forward a theory (new mathematical model of physical processes for example) that holds better to scientific evidence/ experiment. If your theory is more accurate in describing things that happen, then it will become prevalent (Lamark vs Darwin (http://necsi.org/projects/evolution/lamarck/intro./lamarck_intro.html), Newton's laws vs Einstein Relativity Theory etc).


If you maintain a firm beleif in some theory/book, sooner or later you will find yourself at odds with science, because science advances with new evidence gathered and new theories put forward.

Delf.

[lavelaso]

:info:Scientists find evidence supporting universe expansion:info:


if the universe expanded, and still expanding, it was probably expanding by this sequence:

0,1,1,2,3,5,8,13,21,34...

[chicagoan]

Akhee Adballah,:shock:

if you don't mind, I would like to comment here.

The thing is too many people put it that religion blocks scientific advancement, but in fact throughout the history muslims lead the science by taking insight from QUR'AN.

Below are few examples - simple and far-reaching.


Akhee-Abdullah,

It may seem of tremendous importance things scientists discover.
But what matters most is how scientists arrive to these conclusions and discoveries.

Noone starts with some holy book and works his way from there. This proved to be a wrong way.

1. Allah in the QUR"AN stated more than 1400 years ago that the earth was egg-shaped. All muslim scholars learnt from it, and that is why Beruni and Ulughbek could devise such precise stellar maps and make calculations of sun and moon.

2. Fingerprints became a big thing in the West only in the second half of the past century, with the development of biometrics.
When Russians came to the Central Asia, they saw how instead of signing their names, people dipped their finger in ink and stamped with it on legal documents. If you see old documentaries, they show it as backward thing, trying to prove by this that muslims of our lands were uneducated.

Right now, it turns out that all 6 bln + people have different fingerprints, noone has the same as the other!

How come muslims signed with their fingerprint for so many centuries before the West even paid attention to it?

QUR'AN. Allah said in one of Sura that not only HE will bring all back to life, but also even fingertips will be brought back to original design. It is no wonder that this gave an insight for muslims around the world to use fingerprints for documents to identify fake ones from true documents.

Does this start making sense now?

Thus muslims problem is not getting too bogged down to religion, instead we are now too far from our source of inspiration.

And many muslims are starting to understand this, alhamdulillah.


sincerely,

mr



Instead, you do your best to learn existing scientific knowledge, and if you have a better idea about something - you put forward a theory (new mathematical model of physical processes for example) that holds better to scientific evidence/ experiment. If your theory is more accurate in describing things that happen, then it will become prevalent (Lamark vs Darwin (http://necsi.org/projects/evolution/lamarck/intro./lamarck_intro.html), Newton's laws vs Einstein Relativity Theory etc).


If you maintain a firm beleif in some theory/book, sooner or later you will find yourself at odds with science, because science advances with new evidence gathered and new theories put forward.

Delf.