race treated in uzbkistan?

[futbolplaya]

Hi , I am a mexican I was woundering how are mexicans treated in uzbekistan? thanks

[Ulugbek_99]

Uzbeks are very hospitable and living in Uzbekistan all my life, I haven't encountered any case of race discrimination nor did I hear any. You will be welcome! :)

[Frida]

Hey, hola futbolplaya! como estas? i learned spanish in spanish center in tashkent and had a lot of latino profs, as far as i know none of my profs had problems with that. they spoke either uzbek or russian though. you wont have any problems, cause i dont think militia can really tell apart uzbeks from latinos. the only guy i remember ever had a problem was from Urugvay and he was black. nobody actually harassed him or anything, but he used to hate that people just kept staring at him. just be careful that is my advice, keep your eyes open and pockets closed :) if possible learn some uzbek or russian, just in case. i dont think there will be any discramination, unless you are homosexual. as you might know being gay is prohibitted in Uzb by an archaic law, so if that is the case be twice as careful :D good luck!

[melo]

Hi , I am a mexican I was woundering how are mexicans treated in uzbekistan? thanks

Sure you are Mexican. Is there any way you can prove that? Your other posts prove otherwise.:?

[ferdon]

I haven't encountered any case of race discrimination nor did I hear any. You will be welcome! :)
this is the most funny post that i have ever saw!!
there is no discrmination in Ozbekiston ?how many non-Ozbek people are deprived of their postion in government just because thay are not Ozbek although they are citizen and they did make great contribution to ozbekiston ,and how many people cannot get jobs as easily as other ozbek ,and how many people are forced to change their nationality into ozbek ? balh balh >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

[Amiri Turkiston]

like Mexican guy you'll never have any problem....but with ya PMs you gonna have a big problems :-)

kidding

[futbolplaya]

Uzbeks are very hospitable and living in Uzbekistan all my life, I haven't encountered any case of race discrimination nor did I hear any. You will be welcome! :)Now That isn't the case you lier.lying.

It is karimov's fault that there is an all out racism and blood purity and bloodbath going on.

Is it like that in some countries where the or race takes all the best jobs?
I heard that isn't true that some countries take the best people for the job from other nations too.


:mad3d:I am suporting Many of my people to be all out very racist's too.My people can't hang with your people.Racism is like a disease it grows.

[futbolplaya]

this is the most funny post that i have ever saw!!
there is no discrmination in Ozbekiston ?how many non-Ozbek people are deprived of their postion in government just because thay are not Ozbek although they are citizen and they did make great contribution to ozbekiston ,and how many people cannot get jobs as easily as other ozbek ,and how many people are forced to change their nationality into ozbek ? balh balh >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Is Ozbek a race or native ethnicity what race is that originated from what continent.

[ferdon]

Is Ozbek a race or native ethnicity what race is that originated from what continent.
go to f-uck yourself !! you fake mexican !!!!

[futbolplaya]

go to f-uck yourself !! you fake mexican !!!!I look like a mexican there is no difference.ff your ugly race too.

[Ulugbek_99]

this is the most funny post that i have ever saw!!
there is no discrmination in Ozbekiston ?how many non-Ozbek people are deprived of their postion in government just because thay are not Ozbek although they are citizen and they did make great contribution to ozbekiston ,and how many people cannot get jobs as easily as other ozbek ,and how many people are forced to change their nationality into ozbek ? balh balh >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

Ferdon, I said in case of race discrimination. How many race's we have in Uzbekistan and who are the ones that are racially discriminated? Maybe I haven't heard it yet, but could you give me an example? I believe that there is a difference between race and ethnicity discrimination.

[Ulugbek_99]

Moderators,

Please re-evaluate couple of the posts above for appropriateness, thank you.

[krokobazuka]

LOL:

futbolplaya
Join Date: May 2006
Location: Indonesia

Mexican from Indonesia :) hahaha :)
Is this same old "gafuri", "petkaface", "coolgafur"? ;)

[Martingale]

Dear Ulughbek,

I advice you to lern from history! Ozbakan havn't Nationality. They are somthing with Mongol race, Turk language and Persian culture. Therefore they hate other "clean" Race and Ethnics...
But you are lookin for example? Open eyes and see Tajiks around Ozbakistan. They are disscrimined: They live without their schools, newspapers and native language in official actions.

yana bitta "huquqi toptalgan" natsionalist tojikmiyey, eroniymiyey...:)

[Ulugbek_99]

What do you mean Uzbeks don't have nationality? Uzbek itself is a nationality. If you ask ask an American "What is your nationality?" They won't say "I am black", "I am white" "I am mulato" or other, they will say "I am an American". I in turn advise you to ponder on the difference in the meanings of these words below:

Millat
Halq

If you don't mind, could you tell me your race?

[melo]

Can someone please close this stupid thread? It has no point and is going to turn into a fight about persians and turks.

[Martingale]

Dear Friend,
I say you thanks, becouse i don't know what do you write me in uzbak language. Anyway I will be glad if any tranclate it me in russian or english,
if you not racist and nationalist, too.
Bests,

sure.;) I said "see there is another nationalist freak, who welcomed to our forum."

p.s. now you can remove thanks

[melo]

It is not stupid topic, dear. We fight for our rights!

The topic was a lie about a Mexican in Uzbekistan. Is that what you are talking about? So that has what to do about Persians and Uzbeks?

[futbolplaya]

It is not stupid topic, dear. We fight for our rights!Yeah we should like send a letter to the government or somthing.

Hawaiian pride.

[futbolplaya]

What do you mean Uzbeks don't have nationality? Uzbek itself is a nationality. If you ask ask an American "What is your nationality?" They won't say "I am black", "I am white" "I am mulato" or other, they will say "I am an American". I in turn advise you to ponder on the difference in the meanings of these words below:

Millat
Halq

If you don't mind, could you tell me your race?I am hawaiian.If not then im the same looking as them.Theres no difference.

[futbolplaya]

[quote=Frida Kahlo] cause i dont think militia can really tell apart uzbeks from latinos.

uzbeks have a shariat law and Islamic culture they have to bag themselves and cover themselves in towels and can't makeout with any women or girl.They have to be old fashioned.
Wile we wear everything short.wile we can do everything. We are basiclaly everything.

Buenos noches' Indonesia don't tease ya

[elDoraDo]

lmao
stop provoking, guys :) this is my official warning.

p.s. aryamanish, can you thank me too for cursing you?

[nemets]

Well, read the theme in disscussion: race treated in uzbkistan?
Is here only mexicans in race?:evil:

Well, talking about races, how one defines who is tadjik and who is uzbek in Uzbekistan?
I mean, how can you find differences(except language) between most (!) Uzbeks and Tadjiks?
The problems between Uzbeks and Tadjiks in Uzbekistan can occur because of nationalism and not the race.

[nemets]

Open your ayes and close you mund! If there are no ploblem exept language, why Ozbakan discriminate others? You are looking like
those facists who will assimilate Tajikan into Ozbakan...:evil:

do not tell me what should I close child, OK?!
Can you read? Where did I mentione about language problems? And you still have not answer my question about race.

P.S. You are really an arrogant "Aryan".

[StU]

You are really dumn if you can't differ Tajikan and Ozbakan except their language. :evil: They are different like "Honey and dirty water". Tajikan are Aryan, Ozbakan ... hmmm fake. They havn't their own Culture, Language and Race itself... They become all from others. They are "dirty in blood".

Ich bin echte Arier. Du bist nicht echte Deutsche.
(Ya istinniy Ariyec. Ti ne nastoyashiy Nemetc.)

Heil Hitler!:twisted:

Hey Arier - hast Du dich im Spiegel gesehen ? :lol:

jinnilar kopayib ketdiyu shutta.

[nemets]

You are really dumn if you can't differ Tajikan and Ozbakan except their language. :evil: They are different like "Honey and dirty water". Tajikan are Aryan, Ozbakan ... hmmm fake. They havn't their own Culture, Language and Race itself... They become all from others. They are "dirty in blood".

Thanks for your reply. Now I see what aryans think about uzbeks.



Ich bin echte Arier. Du bist nicht echte Deutsche.
(Ya istinniy Ariyec. Ti ne nastoyashiy Nemetc.)

Heil Hitler!:twisted:

Du sheinst nicht nur dein Englisch verbessern zu müssen sondern dein Deutsch auch. (Тебе не только английский нужно улучшить, но и немецкий).

[nemets]

I think so. Ask other Aryans, how they find you. But its much better if you see yourself. :shock:


I have tadjik friends in Germany and they often come to me. Here you can see the picture:

http://www.forum.uz/gallery/showphoto.php/photo/4497/cat/500/ppuser/320

If you want I can give you their e-mails and you will ask them how they find me. ;)

[StU]

Willste? :king:

Ishesh zdes vnimaniya k svoei "skromnoi" persone?
Mi, uzbeki, - narod gostepriimniy i drujelubniy, poetomu tebya zdes eshe "terpyat".

[bacha]

nemets, игнорируй его, это очередной продукт нового таджикского агитпропа. Таджикистанский вариант продукта под названием Мухлис.

Aryamanish, одамхоро хакорат карда, ба фикрат ба миллатад ёрдам-ми медихи? Якумаш, ёрдамад даркор не, дуюмаш барои ёрдам кардан хам бояд фикр карда ёрдам куни.

[anatoliydaev]

Эх, Aryamanish, 321дить тебя надо, не за то что ты неузбек, а за то что ты гнида.

[anatoliydaev]

OOO, sposibo za uzbekskoye "gostepriimsto" :eat:

Это не "гостеприимство", а адекватное отношение к таким гнидам как ты. :D

[bacha]

Khoini?:madder:

Az dushmani mardi khud nadoram gilla,
Nomardii dust mekashad bar khokam!
Agar nafrati turo nazar ba digar millat dastak nadiham, hoin shudam? Yak bor posthoi maro honda baro, pas gap zan ki hoinu ki beaql. Medoni masaleroki yak hirs ba yak odam dust shudaast, pas ohiri masalro ham boyad bidoniki hirs ba vay odam yordam mediham gufta, uro mekushad. Tu ham ba uzbekho, "man shumohoro nafrat mekunam" gufta, niz nafrati onhoro ba moho meori. Nomard va khoin tu asti ki, nafrati yak millatro nazar ba digarash meori.

Grow up man, Aryanism, superiority of races, whatever they tought you in Tajikistan, is just a propoganda to unite people and thus strengten the power of your current government. As time passes, you will yourself see that you were wrong. Come to Uzbekistan, see how people live, then say something. Good luck

[Ulugbek_99]

OOO, sposibo za uzbekskoye "gostepriimsto" :eat:

Uzbeks are hospitable, and bag'ri keng, not like you. We welcome guests, but when you try to take a big crap in the corner of the house, then don't be asking for hospitality. Your aryan brain is not smart enough to figure out that you don't deserve hopitality any more, but you still ask for it?

You said you were first of all HUMAN. Where did you come from at first? Do you mean you were the first monkey to evolve or first to be created? Clear me on that.

I thought Tukmenistan were carrying out policy to brainwash brains like of yours about being aryan. Yet you called them dirty blood too. That means if german is proud of himself being aryan, then he can call you dirty blood. Therefore, you are the same as turkman, both dirty bloods. And both of you are the same as Uzbeks, all three are dirty bloods, hahhahaha, you crack me up with your idiotic logic. Answer, who is more superior: You or Germans? Who were first of all Human: You or Germans? hahahaha :))

[Convert]

Davidani gusola to ...

Rosti hayfam meoyad, ki baynamon nafarone ham hastand, ki chunin "ghulomona" andesha mekunand. Man najodparast nestam, ammo huvviyati khudro pushtivoni mekunam. Man millatgaro nestam, ammo millati khudro dust medoram. Koru paykori man in jo faqat ba khotiri hufzi huqiqhoi taiiam hastand. Fikr mekuni, ba in yo on "kumak" mekunam? Man dur naraftaam, vale ozod hastam. Tojikon boyad, ki har joye hastand sarfaroz boshad!
Man andeshahoi shakhsiamro menavisam. Mantiqat kujost? va yo fikr mekuni, kori guruhe anjom mediham? Insof deh, kadom "gumrohtarem"?

Vatan! Sadoi khastaamro bishunav!:megaph:

Gevat, pomoemu, rost nest.

[bacha]

Aryamanish, vatanatro, millatatro hub ast ki dust medori, in korat muvofiqi hurmat ast. Man ham misli tu millatamro dust medoram, va fahr mekunam. Faqat az gaphoyat mebinam ki farqi manu tu on ast ki, tu fahri millatatro bo past zadani digar millatho mebini, man boshad bo hurmat kardani hissoyoti digar millatho mebinam. Agar tu hohi ki mohoro digar millatho hurmat kunand, boyad tu digar millathoro hurmat kuni. Gaphoeki ba in odamho gufti, fikr kun, chi meshud javobi tu ba pisari ruse ki dar forumi tojiki in gaphoro menavist?

Yak hesham avvali solhoi navadum ba Dushanbe rafta bud, meguft, Rushoro mezadand onjo. Imruz nigoh kun, haftae nestki tojikro dar Russiya nakushand. Zamin charh mezanad, zulme ki imruz mekuni, fardo gashta meoyad ba hudat. Nafrate ki tu ba digar millatho nishon medihi, boz ba millattamon gashta meoyad. Az baroi yak tu, namehostam ki digarho hamma millatamonro in turi ast gufta fikr kunand. In ohirin javobam ba posthoi tu, fikr mekunam hudat rohi durustro paydo mekuni.

[La_Femme]

[quote=They are different like "Honey and dirty water". Tajikan are Aryan, Ozbakan ... hmmm fake.They havn't their own Culture, Language and Race itself... They become all from others. They are "dirty in blood".

Hey "Arian" You were always behind us for centuries, looking at your comment i see that you ARE STILL behind. Your intellectual capacity is what you should be concerned with before being proud that you are an arian. Your own blood can only be dirty because it produced such a bastard as you have showed yourself.
Advise for future, think twice before you say something and read a history book on central asia - maybe than you wont embarasse yourself and get so down in fron of people. Our Tadjik Neighbour

Peace

[bacha]

Man namedonam chi qadar nodoni??? Man namedonam chi khel dushamanonatro hurmat mekuni vaqte u az in guna hurmathoyat suiistifoda mekunad? In qadar ba sarat "ravghani otashin" merezand va mepursand chi khel bud? Dandon ba dandon monda megui: meguzarad!

Man, rosti kasero past zadan namekhostam, onhoyand ki gapro az mavzui asli to ba in jo ovardaand.

Maqsadi man hamesha peshi nazaram rushan ast.
MAN AZ KHUD DIFO' MEKUNAM!!!:war:
Ki ba tu huquq dodki gui ki kist dushmani manu, kist dusti man? Fahmida boshi darkor, man dar Uzbekiston tavallud shudam. Millati uzbekro na misli dushman, niz misli dust, hammilat mebinam. Millate dar in dunyo nest ki misli uzbekho ba moyon nazdik boshand. Niz, medonam ki huquqi tojikon dar Uzbekiston poymol shudaast, ammo aybdor na millati uzbek, hukumati uzbekiston ast. Medoni premyer ministri uzbekiston tojik, ministr vnutrennih del tojik, medoni chandin ministrhoi tojik hastand dar hukumati Uzbekiston? Agar yak kasro hohi aybdor kuni, boz hudamonro, tojikonro boyad aybdor kuni.

Khub meshud agar khoin, nodon, nomard gufta haqorat namekardi, padaratro hurmat mekardam on zamon.

[nemets]

Medoni premyer ministri uzbekiston tojik, medoni ministr vnutrennih del tojik, medoni chandin ministrhoi tojik hastand dar hukumati Uzbekiston? .

Председатель Центрального Банка (контролирует все деньги в стране) тоже таджик.

[Tabriz_Han]

I'm sorry to break the Aryan's heart but Hitler is dead and his cause will never be bought back because its simply totally ridiculous.

Do you all speak Aryanish? are you all a pure Race? are you all White? are you all the same religion? do you all share the same culture, history, identity? NO, NO, NO

Now "Futbolplaya" or should I say "Slushie" or MrAryanPunk, stop changing your Name to pretend you have friends its getting embarrasing and disgracefull foryourself.

Another point, Hawaai is not in Indonesia, Indonesian's arn't Aryan, neither are Hawaiin's, neither are Ozbeks neither are Azeri Turks like myself.

Ozbekistan and the people are among the most hospitable and warm-hearted people there are, like in all Turkic countries/area's they look after guest's and even the poorest folk in the poorest village will do everything they can and even go hungry to make sure your comfortable and have food on the table.

Please just ignore people like these Aryan moron's, I mean there not exactly the sharpest tool in the box and are ignorant beyond understanding.

http://www.sumka.blogfa.com/
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sumka

Let's look into this Party and its mentallity



The sumka party established in IRAN in 1952 by DAVUD MONSHIZADEH .He was prof. in monich university ,& in world was in Berlin fighting injured.
He was membered S.S . The Iranian Nazi Party (SUMKA) members can be distinguished by their character of Arab and Muslim Hating. We are relentless enemies of Arabs and Muslims. We are also hate Jews . we are Extremely Anti-Arab

The element of Race has a prominent place in the thinking of Dr. Monshizadeh. Sumka’s platform, too, calls for a ban on migration and settlement of the peoples who are not racially befitting for mixing with Iranians.
From Sumka’s stand point, although all the races possess some capabilities; but, from amongst them, the White Race especially the superior Aryan Race have characteristics that others lack. Sumka says:” For sustaining the blood foundation of the nation, mixing with weak, inferior races must be prevented. From now on, we can organize the superior race, and even enlighten the torch of civilization among weak races, with the intrinsic force of culture.”
“If we do not draft fundamental laws for survival of this race today, and do not resort to deliberate and artificial means for cleansing the blood of our brethren


:lol:


I think this guy got lost could someone kindly re-direct him/her here

http://nejhadegan.blogspirit.com/ (http://nejhadegan.blogspirit.com/)

http://neonazim.blogfa.com/8404.aspx (http://neonazim.blogfa.com/8404.aspx)

http://www.persianproject.com/Goals.html (http://www.persianproject.com/Goals.html)

http://www.geocities.com/aryannews/aryantruth.htm (http://www.geocities.com/aryannews/aryantruth.htm)

:shock:

[Kaptan-i Derya]

aryan is a 3000 old ancient term for Persians, tadjik arians are fake, because you cant "mostly" distinguish an tajik with a uzbek or tajik with another CA Turkic peepz.

hold youre superiority for yourself ayran dude, drink your milk and go to sleep ffs.

[Tabriz_Han]

During the 19th century, it was commonly believed that the Aryan race originated in the southwestern steppes of present-day Russia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russia), and including the Caucasus Mountains (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caucasus_Mountains). The Steppe theory of Aryan origins was not the only one circulating during the nineteenth century, however. Many British, American and German (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Germany) scholars argued that the Aryans originated in ancient Germany or Scandinavia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scandinavia), or at least that in those countries the original Aryan ethnicity had been preserved. This idea was widespread in both intellectual and popular culture by the early twentieth century.

British Raj

In India, under the British Empire (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Empire), the British rulers also used the idea of a distinct Aryan race in order to ally British power with the Indian caste system (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caste). It was widely claimed that the Aryans were white people who had invaded India in ancient times[1] (http://www.genomenewsnetwork.org/articles/05_01/Indo-European.shtml), subordinating the darker skinned native Dravidian (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dravidian_race) peoples, who were pushed to the south. Thus the foundation of Hinduism was ascribed to white invaders who had established themselves as the dominant castes, and who were supposed to have created the sophisticated Vedic (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vedas) texts. Much of these theories were simply conjecture fuelled by European imperialism (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Imperialism) (see white man's burden (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_man%27s_burden)). This styling of an "Aryan invasion (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aryan_invasion_theory)" by British colonial fantasies of racial supremacy lies at the origin of the fact that all discussion of historical Indo-Aryan migrations (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indo-Aryan_migration) or Aryan and Dravidian "races" remains highly controversial in India to this day, and does continue to affect political and religious debate. Some Dravidians, and supporters of the Dalit (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dalit) movement, most commonly Tamils (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tamil_people), claim that the worship of Shiva (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shiva) is a distinct Dravidian religion, to be distinguished from Brahminical (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brahmin) "Aryan" Hinduism.



Nazism


The theory of the Northern origins of the Aryans was particularly influential in Germany. It was widely believed that the Vedic Aryans were ethnically identical to the Goths (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Goths), Vandals (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vandals) and other ancient Germanic peoples of the Völkerwanderung (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/V%C3%B6lkerwanderung). This idea was often intertwined with anti-semitic (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-semitism) ideas. The distinctions between the "Aryan" and "Semitic (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Semitic_people)" peoples were based on the linguistic and ethnic history described above. In this way Semitic peoples came to be seen as a foreign presence within "Aryan" societies, and the Semitic peoples were often pointed to as the cause of conversion and destruction of social order and values leading to culture and civilization's downfall by Nazi and Pre-Nazi theorists such as Alfred Rosenberg (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alfred_Rosenberg), Arthur de Gobineau (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arthur_de_Gobineau) and Houston Stewart Chamberlain (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Houston_Stewart_Chamberlain). According to the Nazi ideologists, the Aryan was a master race (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Master_race) that built a civilization that dominated the world ten thousand years ago. This alleged civilization declined because the inferior races mixed with the Aryans but it left traces of their civilization in Tibet (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tibet) (via Buddhism (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buddhism)), and even Central America (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Central_America), South America (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/South_America), Ancient Egypt (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ancient_Egypt).
A complete, and highly speculative and racist theory of Aryan and anti-Syrian and anti-Semitic history can be found in Rosenberg's publication, "Race and Race History". Rosenberg's account of ancient history is very well researched, but his conclusions require great leaps in logic. But the seemingly scholarly nature of such works was very effective in spreading Aryan supremacist theories among German intellectuals in the early 20th century, especially after the first World War. These and other ideas evolved into the Nazi (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazism) use of the term "Aryan race" to refer to what they saw as being a "master race (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Master_race)" of people of northern European (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European) descent, going to extreme and violent lengths to "maintain the purity" of this race through a far-reaching eugenics (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eugenics) program (including anti-miscegenation (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miscegenation) legislation, compulsory sterilization (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Compulsory_sterilization) of the mentally ill and the mentally deficient, the execution of the institutionalized mentally ill as part of a euthanasia program (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/T-4_Euthanasia_Program), and eventually the systematic targeting of Jews (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jew), Gypsies (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roma_people), and Homosexuals (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homosexuals) in the Holocaust (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Holocaust)). This usage now has nearly no meaning outside of Nazi or Neo-Nazi (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neo-Nazi) ideology.



Now the whole Persian-Aryan purity theory stems from WW2 Iran, the Shah liked Hitler's idea's and thought that Hitler would be succesfull and found an Aryan Super State.

That's why he promoted these Pure Persian Aryan theories and was extremely Anti-Arab and Anti-Turk.

After the revolution alot of the Shah's people moved to the West and that's why we have alot of these retards on the Internet still talking about these stupid idea's.

If you ask them, apparently all Persian's were once Pure White Aryan's and then the awfull Arabs and terrible Turks entered the area and made everyone Dark :P so this give's them some sort of inferiority complex and they hate us for apparently making them dark people.

Ofcourse idiotic because the South of Iran is very hot and its impossible to be pure White in such conditions.

Its just a jelous silly ideology everything bad they blame on Jews, Arabs, Turks everything good is due to Pure Aryan;s, apparently they are oppressed and ruled by the Arabs and Turks etc and so need a pure Aryan leader to lead them out of this stage and for them this man is Hitler.

Howerver, Hitler didn't achieve his goal and didn't even reach Turkestan, Iran and Southern Asia so the cause and its leader are dead except for off-shoot roots and wannabe Aryan's.

Anyway, WE PUT SOME COLOUR IN THEM :lol:

Isn't todays fashion, Dark is Beautiful lol

[Guardian]

futbolpalya must be feeling much delighted from the nationalistic-replies. Fool yourselves, falks.

[NYyankNY]

sure.;) I said "see there is another nationalist freak, who welcomed to our forum."

p.s. now you can remove thanks

woooo oooooow oooooow Laziz kimga garap bu gapni otyapsiz ha :shock:

[Ulugbek_99]

Here is another thing I came to know and if someone from Samarkand knows better, please correct me, because I might be mistaking since only go there during summers.

When I am in Samarkand, I don't have many friends from the member of communities called tadjiks and eroni (it is supposed to mean "Iranian"). In my experience they are not very fond of each other, that concludes that these is a difference between them. So if aryamanish is tadjik and thinks he is aryan then what about the eroni (iranian) people in Samarkand. Aren't they more likely to be aryan than out want to be aryan aryamanish who introduced himself as tadjik?

Besides, tadjiks are active in local commerce as well as government positions in Samarkand and haven't noticed any sign of discrimination agains them, if not the vice versa.

[Martingale]

actually those(iraninans) bring out those nationalistic ideas...they are really iranians...There has always been trade and other kind of relationships between samarkand and iran even during soviet times.

Here is another thing I came to know and if someone from Samarkand knows better, please correct me, because I might be mistaking since only go there during summers.

When I am in Samarkand, I don't have many friends from the member of communities called tadjiks and eroni (it is supposed to mean "Iranian"). In my experience they are not very fond of each other, that concludes that these is a difference between them. So if aryamanish is tadjik and thinks he is aryan then what about the eroni (iranian) people in Samarkand. Aren't they more likely to be aryan than out want to be aryan aryamanish who introduced himself as tadjik?

Besides, tadjiks are active in local commerce as well as government positions in Samarkand and haven't noticed any sign of discrimination agains them, if not the vice versa.

[Ulugbek_99]

So, why, if you know Martingale, eroni and tadjiks doesn't like each other? They tend to stick to separate communities and other things I have noticed. That means that if tadjik is making a claim that he is aryan, is his argument completely invalid, since eroni are closer to Iranians?

[bacha]

Ulugbek, Tabriz Han and another turkish brother, now you have a topic to discuss, it is like honey into your tea, isn't it? Now you can say, see those tajiks, they claim they are aryans, and they are racists. Or, you can for hours discuss differences of tajiks and iranians. Or, you can just call them fake aryans, fake fascists, fake nazis(not important fake what, just to call all of them "fake").

C'mon guys, speak about something else, don't get overexcited. There are different people in every nation, There are Tabriz Hans and Muhlis in some nations, and there are "Aryan" freaks like the user who was kindly banned.

Do not generalize, as in your generalization I see how you include or exclude me as a tajik, into this or that group, then you menage to create disputes, while no one but God has that right. Good luck

[Martingale]

So, why, if you know Martingale, eroni and tadjiks doesn't like each other? They tend to stick to separate communities and other things I have noticed. That means that if tadjik is making a claim that he is aryan, is his argument completely invalid, since eroni are closer to Iranians?

who told you that they hate each other?:)

anyways, bacha is right....this should not be discussed here.
peace,;)

[Tabriz_Han]

Bacha do you smoke? because there is one word to describe you and that is "paranoid", your obsessed every post you write you seem to include my user name and find some reason to attack me.

Why?

I don't preach hatred towards Persians, I simply criticsize Ayranish/Pure Persian ideals and ideologies because I know how stupid and retarded it is aswell as its dangers.

I mean if you don't support it then why do you hate when I expose this?

Why instead of criticsing these guys do you search and invent stories with which to just attack other's who criticsize these people.

Anyway you can keep your paranoia to yourself because I don't go around opening posts attacking Nation's, I don't write Pm's to various members swearing at their mothers and giving them racial abuse and don't attack posts with Racist outbursts.


UlugBek_99
So, why, if you know Martingale, eroni and tadjiks doesn't like each other? They tend to stick to separate communities and other things I have noticed. That means that if tadjik is making a claim that he is aryan, is his argument completely invalid, since eroni are closer to Iranians?


Exactly, most Persians don't see Tajiks as pure Aryan/Iranian and say they're mixed with Turks alot.

The "Iranians" have a strange relationship, Dari Afgans and Persians of Iran don't like each other however the Shia minority in Afganistan does.

However, Persians in the West who have never lived in Iran believe Tajiks are the purest Iranians/Aryans and that they speak the purest Iranian and say that its infact Pesians who arnt pure.

Saying that your average people don't really care, its the over Nationalists who make this pure-unpure division.

The main reason Eroni and Tajik wouldn't be in the same community is that for a long time Nationalism didn't matter too much but religion did. As one is Shia and the other Sunni they don't mix alot it doesn't help that some extreme Shia clerics called Sunni's "Najis".

[KhwarezmshaH]

who told you that they hate each other?:)

anyways, bacha is right....this should not be discussed here.
peace,;)
I think there was smth in the past, as i know, Iran does not help tadjiks in a war in past, on the contrary they helped others, therefore they dont like each other. I have a tadjik friend from afganistan, he told me.

[Tabriz_Han]

I don't know about that however, similar to that Iran supported Armenia in the War against Azerbaycan even though there are millions of Azeri Turks in Iran and some Persian's like to make up stories that we are Persian's in denial.

[Defend]

Таджики Узбекистана обратились к ООН

Этнические таджики в Узбекистане надеются только на международные организации

Действующая в Таджикистане Международная культурная организация «Вароруд» просит ООН оказать содействие в защите прав таджикоязычных граждан в Узбекистане. Бюро ООН по миростроительству в республике направило в Женеву обращение председателя «Вароруд» Алиджона Мухаммада. Уже 4 год этот человек пытается помочь своим землякам, насильственно выселенным узбекскими властями из родных кишлаков в Сариасинском и Узунском районах Сурхандарьинской области. Подробнее о конфликте этнических таджиков с властями Узбекистана в материале, подготовленном нашим корреспондентом Нигорой Бухари-заде:

В сентябре 2000-го года население 18 кишлаков указанных районов - более 5 тысяч человек, в основном, этнические таджики - в спешном порядке было эвакуировано, якобы, для зачистки местности от проникших туда боевиков Исламского движения Узбекистана. В число переселенцев попали и ближайшие родственники Мухаммада, по свидетельствам которых, людей выгоняли под дулами автоматов, не позволив собрать свои пожитки и не объясняя, что происходит:

Их переселили в пустыню Шерабадского района, поместили в брошенные дома, где не было условий для жизни. Вода там очень солёная, непригодная для питья – там даже ничего не растёт. Компенсация со стороны государства не была выплачена, тогда как власти объявили, что всем вынужденным переселенцам будет выплачена компенсация в размере 700 тысяч сумов (порядка 700 долларов). Но ни копейки люди не получили.

Военная авиация Узбекистана сровняла опустошённые кишлаки с землёй. Но на этом «хождение переселенцев по мукам» не завершилось. Спецслужбы стали арестовывать мужчин старше 18-ти лет. В результате около 70 из них летом 2001 года были приговорены к длительным срокам заключения. Как говорит Мухаммад, людей, никогда не состоявших ни в каких партиях и организациях и не державших в руках оружия, обвинили в связях не только с главой ИДУ Джумой Намангони, но даже с Хаттабом и Бен Ладеном. По 17 лет тюрьмы получили и два родных брата Мухаммада Нурулло и Мустафо:

Им предъявили обвинение в терроризме, якобы они способствовали террористам. Все люди, которых арестовали, были грамотные, имели высшее образование. Они не могли совершить такие преступления. Если бы это были муллы, то можно было поверить, но мулл там не было. Даже мечетей там не было. Многие из осуждённых были студентами, которые обучались в Таджикистане. Их обвинили в том, что они, якобы, проходили боевую подготовку на территории Джиргитальского района Таджикистана. Это всё в приговоре есть. Людей заставили подписать всё, поскольку избивали до полусмерти. Над ними так издевались, что люди уже не могли терпеть. Они были согласны на всё, чтобы избавиться от мучений.

По словам Мухаммада, все материалы следствия «от первой до последней буквы – ложь и подтасовка», а судебный процесс над задержанными проходил в полной секретности – на него не были допущены ни родственники, ни представители СМИ и международных организаций. В Шерабадской же пустыне до сих пор люди живут, как в резервации. Их быт по-прежнему не обустроен, нет школ и больниц. Они не могут свободно перемещаться, ограничены в контактах с окружающим миром. А их родственники отбывают сроки наказания в узбекских тюрьмах. Власти опасаются, что доведённые до отчаяния переселенцы начнут обращаться в международные организации и «растрезвонят» о своих бедах на весь мир. Незаконно осуждённые и их родственники продолжают страдать, а их мучители в лице представителей спецслужб, милиции и прокуратуры не понесли никакого наказания, говорит Мухаммад:

Объективного расследования власти Узбекистана никогда не проведут и не захотят, потому что они сами в этом замешаны. Они хотели любым способом людей оттуда выгнать, чтобы они не имели возможности учиться на родном языке. Таджиков бросили в такие районы, где они никогда не жили – пустыни Шерабадского района. Там нет таджикских школ. Я считаю, что это целенаправленная акция против этнических таджиков, которые там проживают. Потому что в Сурхандарье студентов, которые обучаются в Таджикистане, после возвращения не берут на работу. Неофициально запрещают приезжать на учёбу в Таджикистан. У меня есть об этом достоверная информация и люди, которые могут это подтвердить.

Как говорит Алиджон Мухаммад, правда о событиях в Узбекистане августа-сентября 2000-го года рано или поздно «всплывёт»: когда-нибудь свидетели тех событий без опаски смогут рассказать миру о том, что на самом деле произошло – уж слишком много нестыковок в официально обнародованной властями версии случившегося. А пока Мухаммад продолжает бороться за справедливость. За эти годы он уже не раз обращался с письмами в ООН, ОБСЕ, Красный Крест и другие международные правозащитные организации. До сих пор никаких конкретных мер с их стороны не предпринято, однако председатель общества «Вароруд» всё ещё надеется на помощь международного сообщества.

Переселение почти трех тысяч человек с гор на равнину, которое провело на юге страны правительство Узбекистана три года назад, до сих пор остается и в этой стране предметом дискуссий между общественными организациями, политическими партиями и властями на всех уровнях. О причинах, побудивших власти республики переселить людей из ряда горных кишлаков, рассказывает наш корреспондент в Ташкенте Юрий Черногаев:

В пяти переселенных кишлаках жили в основном этнические таджики. Важно знать, что вопрос об их переселении на равнину возник вовсе не во время боев три года назад. А гораздо раньше - еще при советской власти. Председатель «Независимой организации по правам человека» Михаил Ардзинов, бывший 40 лет назад хозяйственным работником в тех местах, вспоминал в беседе с корреспондентом "Немецкой волны", как горные сели и оползни ежегодно уносили человеческие жизни, разрушали жилье и дороги. В наше время военная обстановка подтолкнула власти к решению, которое зрело давно. Акция проводилась поспешно и многие семьи действительно лишились части имущества и скота. Поселок для переселенцев строили тоже ускоренными темпами в 35 километрах от города Термез на узбекско-афганской границе, в Шерабадской степи. В степи горец чувствует себя неуютно. Тем более что в поселке остались жить одни старики, а молодежь, сорванная с места, подалась в большие города. К сожалению "Немецкой Волне" не удалось выяснить, каким бюджетом располагали местные власти, строившие в степи поселок. В аппарате вице-премьера Равшанбека Файзуллаева, ответственного за строительный комплекс, объяснили, что в то время этой проблемой занимался Совет безопасности страны, а потому вся документация засекречена. Но вот мнение руководителя узбекского «Комитета прав личности» Марата Захидова, к которому переселенцы еще три года назад обратились за помощью и он все это время выступает в роли их адвоката. Как говорит Марат Захидов, с виду поселок впечатляет - добротные кирпичные дома, по улицам тянутся газовые магистрали. Дело вот только в том, что подключили эти магистрали к газопроводу только недавно, три года спустя после заселения. Бывшим скотоводам, действительно, трудно найти работу в засоленной степи. Помощь им оказывают лишь Международный Красный Крест и узбекские благотворительные фонды. Недовольство переселенцев подогревают и постоянная перепалка правозащитников, которые всё что-то им обещают, и власти, которые часто рисуют жизнь в степи слишком уж радужными красками. Например, когда нынешней весной одна из ведущих газет страны написала, что в поселке есть даже зоопарк, переселенцы сочли это просто издевательством.

08.06.2004

Людвиг Гибельгаус

Источник - "Немецкая Волна"

[Frida]

Yes, as some other people say that Pashtos are Jews in denial. And it goes on and on.
To Aryamanish: just search the words tajik and uzbek in this forum and you will get tens of threads, most of them probably be closed though :). You cannot just come here and start blaming users in things that Uzbek government does. People here do in fact understand what is rotten with our government's policy on minorities, well on other stuff too. So no need to yell at everyone. As for identity questions that you rised: It is true about every single nation in post Soviet Union --- all of them needed some bright and wonderful past to built their future on. So as you call yourself arian other people here also believe that their ancestors were outstanding people too. So drop it :) Critisize the government but not the people, every single person here already has built his own point of view on certain things, you can discuss, argue but not call names (that is I guess for both sides).
My own poing of view: you cant really change the past, what happened - happened. Even if you call all Uzbeks not pure and blah, blah. We will go on cause there isnt anything we can do about it. Also what do you mean we arent chistiy narod? I just showered :D

To Futbolplaya: If wearing shorts means everything to you then, yes, Uzbekistan is some medieval country. I have never heard such an ignorant remark, bato!

[Ulugbek_99]

Ulugbek, Tabriz Han and another turkish brother, now you have a topic to discuss, it is like honey into your tea, isn't it? Now you can say, see those tajiks, they claim they are aryans, and they are racists. Or, you can for hours discuss differences of tajiks and iranians. Or, you can just call them fake aryans, fake fascists, fake nazis(not important fake what, just to call all of them "fake").

C'mon guys, speak about something else, don't get overexcited. There are different people in every nation, There are Tabriz Hans and Muhlis in some nations, and there are "Aryan" freaks like the user who was kindly banned.

Do not generalize, as in your generalization I see how you include or exclude me as a tajik, into this or that group, then you menage to create disputes, while no one but God has that right. Good luck

Bacha,

Neither did get overexcited, nor it was honey in my tea. I posted what I posted for the sake of finding out, as a form of question. I also stated that I have a limited knowledge about that. I didn't want to offend you or anybody else, dear.

[Kaptan-i Derya]

for tajiks who think they are pure aryan, try to sell that story to your dear aryan RUSSIAN SKINHEAD brothers!!

Its really so funny, they come here and say "we are aryan, we are white", they go to russia and come beaten back for not being "white" hahahaha, NIGGAAAZ j/k

[Uzbekxonim]

on topic: i have never heard that latinos are smhow discriminated in Uzbekistan. but other ethnicities - may be.

the question is a bit confusing. there's a difference between the discrimination made by the society and by the government. this point should be cleared in the thread.