Would you?

[ДЖИГИТ]

Would you exchange Uzbek citizenship for american citizenship if there were an offer?

[Пушкарева]

I would prefer having dual citizenship, however would not give up the Uzbek one.

[Ulugbek_99]

Dear Djigit,

I guess, if someone is willing to struggle for good of nation (halq, not millat) of Uzbekistan, then he is better of having Uzbek citizenship. Depends on the person's motivation and goals, if it is just better life, (american dream they call it), then they want the citizenship.

I am for the citizenship of Uzbekistan!!!

[Unique]

Would you exchange Uzbek citizenship for american citizenship if there were an offer?

nope ;).........

[boburshoh]

Never .........

[Martingale]

Djigit, is it an offer or a question?:D

for exchange - NO. but for permanent residency - yes!:)

[ДЖИГИТ]

Djigit, is it an offer or a question?:D

for exchange - NO. but for permanent residency - yes!:)

Question, if there were an offer.

[bacha]

Voted "yes", but with much hesitation. Unfortunately, nowadays by Uzbekistan's laws there is no dual citizenship. But, if to analize realistically, there are very few countries left with this kind of laws. Thus, for sure, this law is most likely to be changed in the future, as the numbers of former uzbekistanis abroad grow, and the government becomes more democratic. It was one side of the question.

The other side is more of moral question. Here also, pragmatism takes hold of majority when a real possibility of obtaining US citizenship comes forth. One considers his own benefits, and help he might be able to give his closest relatives with a US citizenship. Even from moral standpoint the perspective sounds very attractive.

[elDoraDo]

with or without hesitation, you voted yes. :) interesting. interesting that you still talk about moral.

i guess i was the first to vote no. sorry for belate comment.
I just love my country. And saying to love the country and to make a choice not in favour of it - would kind of hypocratical.
btw, not only loving, its also applicable for ... caring, worrying, being concerned about and etc.

[Hamitovich]

with or without hesitation, you voted yes. :) interesting. interesting that you still talk about moral.

i guess i was the first to vote no. sorry for belate comment.
I just love my country. And saying to love the country and to make a choice not in favour of it - would kind of hypocratical.
btw, not only loving, its also applicable for ... caring, worrying, being concerned about and etc. Citizenship is just a legal relationship with the government of the country in my opinion. If you are not a citizen, it doesn't preclude you to love your homeland as well as to hate your government which is oppressive and full of criminals making money by killing, torturing and destroying lives of millions. If you are a citizen of the country where you can realize your potential at full it doesn't preclude you to help your homeland, does it? I would change without hesitation.

[Uzbekxonim]

i would not change my Uzbek citizenship. otherwise, they would be no possibility/willing left to go back home, i.e. american cizenship would stipulate leaving the Homeland for long.

and i don't like american style of living.
and my heart belongs to the place i've been grown up and have become a personality.
one would say changing the citizenship doesn't mean forgetting the Homeland, but i think that it makes your Homeland become memoirs...

[Amiri Turkiston]

YES I would

From the point of some strategics...it can be very benefitial either for me and for my native country


Evreyi ne bili bi takimi silnimi esli oni ne dumali o strategii razvitie nacii...bit patriotom horosho...no....nado lutshe nauchitsya dumat for the long-term

[SAMARKANDI!]

Hehe this is funny one, i would say YEs and thanked the offer and went back to Uzb and lived there. The passport wouldnt make any difference about my being Uzbek. if that would ever happen possibilities are endless:))

p.s. you can live in different country with US citizenship.

[elDoraDo]

then why do you need this passport?
if you cannot help your ppl with democratic (sooner or later) votes
if you cannot pay your taxes for the development p[rocess of your country?
if , if , if... you just have it, live it - and shame on you.
p.s. i see myself so "outdated"

[SAMARKANDI!]

then why do you need this passport?
if you cannot help your ppl with democratic (sooner or later) votes
if you cannot pay your taxes for the development p[rocess of your country?
if , if , if... you just have it, live it - and shame on you.
p.s. i see myself so "outdated"

Sorry samarkandi! is here:) just saw the shame part and want to say halla: taxes, democracy, shame... i can wrap these up and give them back to you as a gift for the indepedence day. People: i can help people anywhere in this world, doesnt have to be Uzb,or may be Uzb. Muslims are everywhere AlHamdulillah.

p.s. are we still in IF statement?:)

[Amiri Turkiston]

then why do you need this passport?
if you cannot help your ppl with democratic (sooner or later) votes
if you cannot pay your taxes for the development p[rocess of your country?
if , if , if... you just have it, live it - and shame on you.
p.s. i see myself so "outdated"

he he ...sounds like in kindergarden "Romashka"

look:

1. Ya talking about democratics...do we have it? who gonna count ya votes?

2. Taxation...why I need to think about taxation issue, when I have my grandpa/grandma/aunts/auncles...& too much neighbours who can't survive withour my aid....who gonna take care of them....will they get $15
pension from my tax??!!

it is better - If I give them that $15 directly

3. What development process are ya talking about...we have full scale of degradation....

[melo]

:shock: This is a silly, but very interesting question. I have to admit I am very surprised by your answers. I don't understand the attachment to Uzbek citizenship. What beenfits are you currently receiving from Uzbek citizenship? Why not beceome a US citizen and live in Uzbekistan (your human rights would be better protecetd that way)? There is no rule that citizenship means you have to live in a particular country. Your ability to travel and rights would be so much better.

[Martingale]

This is a silly, but vrey interesting question. I have to admit I am very surprised by your answers. I don't understand the attachment to Uzbek citizenship. What beenfits are you currently receiving from Uzbek citizenship? Why not beceome a US citizen and live in Uzbekistan (your human rights would be better protecetd that way)? There is no rule that citizenship means you have to live in a particular country. Your ability to travel and rights would be so much better.

Im just curious..how long can you stay in Uzbekistan with your foreign citizenship?

Besides, do you actually know that once you lose your citizenship, you lose it forever.

Why do you need US citizenship if you are sure that you live in Uzbekistan?

Do you know how it sucks:) to be a foreigner in your own country?
you do not belong there anymore!!! citizenship is not something you can play with by switching anytime you want....That rule may change, but once you lose it you lose it forever!!!

[melo]

Im just curious..how long can you stay in Uzbekistan with your foreign citizenship?

Besides, do you actually know that once you lose your citizenship, you lose it forever.

Why do you need US citizenship if you are sure that you live in Uzbekistan?

Do you know how it sucks:) to be a foreigner in your own country?
you do not belong there anymore!!! citizenship is not something you can play with by switching anytime you want....That rule may change, but once you lose it you lose it forever!!!

Do you have to wear a sign that says you are no longer an uzbek citizen? I don't think anyone would know better.

[gulamus]

yes I will.
I agree with Amir Turkiston :) it would be very good to have US citizenship, for me and for my country in the future... I can earn money and be like Soros :P...
I will change
hurmat ila
GA

[cosonic]

You have asked a question somewhat like this one: Have you changed your MOTHER to your DAD's mistress ?

Of course not

[Yaxshibola]

savolni qaren, man afrikani birorta davlatlar yoki finlani grajdanstvosiga almashgan bo'lardim. O'tta qizla daxshat

[Martingale]

Do you have to wear a sign that says you are no longer an uzbek citizen? I don't think anyone would know better.

are you stupid or you are pretending to be one?:rolleyes:

I didn't mean that they will recognize you as a foreginer in the streets...Im talking about legal aspects...you are legally ineligible to enjoy the same rights as other citizens. The same thing with uzbeks in US with no citizenship. However, currently you may agree not to have those rights, but in the future you may be very upset that you made such a decision. why not to get a permanent residency and still belong to where you are originally from and where your root is?:)

As people grow older...the money is not all that matters, remember that!!!

[melo]

are you stupid or you are pretending to be one?:rolleyes:

Im didn't mean that they will recognize you as a foreginer in the streets...Im talking about legal aspects...you are legally ineligible to enjoy the same rights as other citizens. The same thing with uzbeks in US with no citizenship. However, currently you may agree not to have those rights, but in the future you may be very upset that you made such a decision. why not to get a permanent residency and still belong to where you are originally from and where your root is?:)

As people grow older...the money is not all that matters, remember that!!!

Please detail the rights of your Uzbek citizenship. I am listening.

This is not about changing from being Uzbek to another ethnicity. Citizenship is artificial. You were born a citizen of the USSR. What happened to that? I am not a nationalist and don't believe my life has anything to do with a country.

[Martingale]

Please detail the rights of your Uzbek citizenship. I am listening.

Please find the book called "Citizenship Code of Republic of Uzbekistan" (O'zbekiston Republikasi Fuqarolik Kodeksi)


This is not about changing from being Uzbek to another ethnicity. Citizenship is artificial. You were born a citizen of the USSR. What happened to that? I am not a nationalist and don't believe my life has anything to do with a country.


I still can't understand your point. I told you that Im not talking about social aspects or anything else. from pure legal standpoint you may not be allowed to reaccept your uzbek citizenship in the future. But if you agree on that, that's perfectly fine. That's your choise whther you wanna live in US or somewhere in caribbean. But most uzbeks are traditional and for family matters they might decide to go back once they ensure their future financially. 99% of uzbeks go abroad to become successful, I mean financially.
Not for the reason that they like american or british style of life or etc.

[melo]

Please find the book called "Citizenship Code of Republic of Uzbekistan" (O'zbekiston Republikasi Fuqarolik Kodeksi)

Sorry- they don't have that one at the library here. Are you just saying that because you can't think of any actual benefits? I can't- but I am ready to listen.

[Uzbekxonim]

Please detail the rights of your Uzbek citizenship. I am listening.

This is not about changing from being Uzbek to another ethnicity. Citizenship is artificial. You were born a citizen of the USSR. What happened to that? I am not a nationalist and don't believe my life has anything to do with a country.

ssory for interfering.
but i support Martingale.
it's not about the rights and benefits that uzbek citizenship gives us, it's more about feelings inside of a person, some are pragmatics, some are sensitive in this issue, it depends.

me neither, i wouldn't like to be a foreigner in my own country.

[melo]

ok guys- please tell me how it would interfere in your life. I don't understand. The difference being the Uzbek government could not imprison you for no reason. You also would have the benefits of going anywhere in the world without barriers (except Cuba, Iran, or North Korea). You could also go to the US and work whenever you wanted to ensure financial stability. I personally would trade citizenship to whatver is most beneficial to me. Who cares where I was born.

[Uzbekxonim]

ok guys- please tell me how it would interfere in your life. I don't understand. The difference being the Uzbek government could not imprison you for no reason. You also would have the benefits of going anywhere in the world without barriers (except Cuba, Iran, or North Korea). You could also go to the US and work whenever you wanted to ensure financial stability. I personally would trade citizenship to whatver is most beneficial to me. Who cares where I was born.

i believe that this is an amersican attitude towards life, values. you like any place, any thing which is profitable and you don't care about other staff.

different mentalities...

[Martingale]

Sorry- they don't have that one at the library here. Are you just saying that because you can't think of any actual benefits? I can't- but I am ready to listen.

you asked me to explain those rights in detail and I referred to the best source:D

Man..I don't have to explain you what kind of rights you will have or not...but I was very surprised by your saying that you can live in Uzbekistan as a foreigner as if nothing can interfere with your rights (huddi kotta holenikida yurgande:D )

You can go to Uzb only with tourist visa and in fact...you will be strictly monitored if you have been out for a while...cause they might think that you are a spy:lol: ...especially nowadays you may not even be able to get tourist visa... there was a guy from germany(uzbek) who could never get an uzbek visa...I can't remember his nickname anymore.

But the point is it's up to you. If you can live abroad as much as you can, go for it. But I personally would never give up my uzbek citizenship, because noone can gurantee what policy may turn out by the time I would like to go back. If Uzbeks allow dual citizenship...that would be great...But who knows what happens...:rolleyes:

[melo]

i believe that this is an amersican attitude towards life, values. you like any place, any thing which is profitable and you don't care other staff.

:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: yeah that's me always thinking of money.

Uzbek citizenship is your right to be screwed by the Uzbek government. TOCHKA. You get nothing. Living there is not a right bestowed by the government. God created you there. Also, any change in regime would allow uzbeks to return to the country and get their citizenship back.

[melo]

You can go to Uzb only with tourist visa and in fact...you will be strictly monitored if you have been out for a while...cause they might think that you are a spy:lol: ...especially nowadays you may not even be able to get tourist visa... there was a guy from germany(uzbek) who could never get an uzbek visa...I can't remember his nickname anymore.

But the point is it's up to you. If you can live abroad as much as you can, go for it. But I personally would never give up my uzbek citizenship, because noone can gurantee what policy may turn out by the time I would like to go back. If Uzbeks allow dual citizenship...that would be great...But who knows what happens...:rolleyes:

So you are saying the main reason you would keep your citizenship is so you can get back into your country. Fair enough. I can't argue with wanting to go and live with your family. I don't think your Uzbek citizenship protects you from being harassed though.

[Uzbekxonim]

:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: yeah that's me always thinking of money.

Uzbek citizenship is your right to be screwed by the Uzbek government. TOCHKA. You get nothing. Living there is not a right bestowed by the government. God created you there. Also, any change in regime would allow uzbeks to return to the country and get their citizenship back.

Hey, watch your mouth.
you're not the one who could dare saying what we will get and how we will live in our Homeland. you enjoy being american? than try to go to Iraq and say it loudly that you're an american, i wonder what will happen to u in the next 5 minutes:rolleyes:

[Martingale]

Also, any change in regime would allow uzbeks to return to the country and get their citizenship back.

that's a very big IF.:)

Also, god only knows for how long you will be as successful as you expected in US.

[melo]

Hey, watch your mouth.
you're not the one who could dare saying what we will get and how we will live in our Homeland. you enjoy being american? than try to go to Iraq and say it loudly that you're an american, i wonder what will happen to u in the next 5 minutes:rolleyes:

When did I say any of those things?:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

[melo]

that's a very big IF.:)

Also, god only knows for how long you will be as successful as you expected in US.

Who said I would stay in the US?

[Uzbekxonim]

When did I say any of those things?:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: yeah that's me always thinking of money.

Uzbek citizenship is your right to be screwed by the Uzbek government. TOCHKA. You get nothing. Living there is not a right bestowed by the government. God created you there. Also, any change in regime would allow uzbeks to return to the country and get their citizenship back.

no further discussion.

[Martingale]

Who said I would stay in the US?

I did not mean you...I used this word in general.:D

I know you are an uzbek ugloni and will go back to your hometown one day. Inshallah!:D

[melo]

no further discussion.

Please don't get so emotional. I just think you are making a decision without using logic. I think the only reason you are thinking this is because from the time you were born until now you were told to love your country. I have no idea how I can love a country? I am more worried about people. Country=government=stuff I don't like.:lol:

[Martingale]

damn...so many homeland traitors...:D

almost 50%:lol:

[forex]

a better question to ask:
How come Uzbekistan doesn't allow dual citizenship?
Mere fact that you can't get a passport while you are out of Uzbekistan,makes you despise this kind of system.You can't even have your citizenship,let alone the fact you can have US citizenship:)

[barakalla]

a better question to ask:
How come Uzbekistan doesn't allow dual citizenship?
As a matter of fact, i know a lady who's got US citizenship AND keeps her uzbek one. She told me she needs to go to Uzbekistan at least once a year and do some paperwork to keep the citizenship. I'm gonna be talking to her soon to find it out 'cause i might do the same in near future.

as for the topic - if i find way to keep my own and get US - i will. If i won't - i'll just stick to permanent residency. I kinda like my green passport, no matter what :rolleyes:

[barakalla]

I can see,you like to flash,mister.

sorry for my english, but i translated "flash" kak "vspishka". Is that a correct translation, sir?

[Amiri Turkiston]

no way guys...

I'm sure if someone ask you to change your Uzbek citizenship into American one...you'll do it without any doubt

[Royal]

undan korasi LOM yutasilami desa bolardi...

[R.Azimov]

undan korasi LOM yutasilami desa bolardi...



Royal.
Haqiqatni aytganga nima yetsin. Yomonlikka olinsa tan jarohat olishi mumkin haqiqatni aytib, lekin vijdon jarohat olmaydi.

Agar siz Yuqoridagi savolni o'rniga LOM YUTASILARMI degan savol bo'lishi kerak desangiz yanglishasiz.

Ko'rib yuribmizku necha yuzlab o'zbekning Chet el fuqaroligini olaman deb harakat qilayotganligini.
Qanday qilib inkor qila olamiz buni?

Agar O'zbekistondagi ba'zi yozilmagan "qonunlar" biroz yumshoq bo'lganda edi, hozir US da yurgan O'zbekistonliklarning qariyb yarmisi fuqarolikka bosh urgan bo'lardi. Buni ham inkor qilolmaysiz.

Yanayam bilmadim... :(


R.A.

[Royal]

Azimop
togri, bizni ozbekni ornidan zil-zilayu, sel ham qimirlatomiydi, lekin kovlasa qimillitydi...kovliyvurgandan bogan ish...

Yozganimni sababi yoniga LOM ham yutasilami desa , hamma : ALBATTA derdi...

[Amiri Turkiston]

Azimop / Royal bobo

gapilarga qo'shilaman...bir hil odamlar tushlarida ko'rib chiqadi...Amerikanskiy passportni ochvotganini :-)

lekin shu ham to'g'ri...O'zb.da er bilan barovar bulib hor bulgandan ko'ra...utta ul-bul dvijeniya qilib yurgan afzal roq...

keyin ekonomicheskiy nuqtai nazardan ham foydali

usha odam o'zini boqadi...keyin turist bulib kelib...pulini sochadi...undan tahsqari oilasiga pul yuborib turadi

[bacha]

with or without hesitation, you voted yes. :) interesting. interesting that you still talk about moral.

i guess i was the first to vote no. sorry for belate comment.
I just love my country. And saying to love the country and to make a choice not in favour of it - would kind of hypocratical.
btw, not only loving, its also applicable for ... caring, worrying, being concerned about and etc.
I only can guess how it feels when you doubt someone's personal feelings towards things important to him. First you doubt, then you say "you still talk about moral". You want to see me as a mankurt, so be it. But, it gives you nothing but raising your personal feelings of being a better man. Even that, be it ;)

Here is a metaphor that might help you, exclusively, explain my point, as you are blaming me of not loving my country.

A person very close to you is sick, and his only kidney must be removed. Doctors are desperately looking for a donor. You are a healthy man with the same blood type, and you could help him by giving him chance of life. Choice of US citizenship is like giving something very dear to you, in order to obtain something of more importance. ;) You will still sustain a good life, apart from the motherland, but be more helpful to your dear ones.

[Arti]

Please find the book called "Citizenship Code of Republic of Uzbekistan" (O'zbekiston Republikasi Fuqarolik Kodeksi)


Oh please, you won't be able to find your rights in this source :) Even though it is called "grajdanskiy kodeks", it has nothing to do with human rights. These rights can be found mainly in the Consitution of the RoUz and partialy in "ugolovno-processualniy kodeks", "grajdansko-processualniy kodeks", other procedural codes, "mejdunarodniye dogovra, soglasheniya i iniye dokumenti, podpisanniye RU", etc.

On: I would say no, but IMHO author might think of adding other answers, because there can be just "no", and also "no, under any circumstances". I think there is some difference between these answers. Same for positive answers.

And yeah, another thing: we are different people with different opinions, life situations, living conditions and etc., why do you keep on shaming each other for answering these questions in the way different than yours. Let's respect each other! The communist era is far behind and we should stop shaming people for living life in their own way, different than "kak uchit nas velikaya partiya i Lenin".

[Frida]

I dont know, cause I dont like making hypothesis about things I dont have. That is why I didnt voteI wouldnt mind US resedency right now though :) Some people are getting very emotional and even calling others traitors :) But I really think that with any other citizenship (well, not with one of Bangladesh, but maybe Canadian or European) there is more chance that we can do more for our people than with our own. If you are uzbek citizen and go there now, open NGO of some sort, I dont think militia or some other local "powers" will let you exist in there, cause you gonna still be "one of us". With foreign citizenship things can be a bit different though.
I can't find that thread but somebody already called me too innocent for believing that the dual citezenship is not possible in Uzb. :) They assured me that with some money and tanish-bilish you can even get a triple citizenship.

[Martingale]

Some people are getting very emotional and even calling others traitors :)

Frida, don't take it serious...I was just joking...I know it's a serious word and I would never call someone like that in any case.
and I don't get emotional:)

in fact, I need permanent residency myself very much(who doesn't need it?:D )...but the question asks would you exchange it?
of course having dual...is good...but...maybe, some people don';t care about those things, but some do... that's why we differ from each other and have different entitlements to some issues.

p.s. could you please not use such ambigous words as some, few, other etc. next time when referring to me? thanks!!!;)

[Angeleyes]

Agree with Amiri Turkiston, I voted "yes"



YES I would

From the point of some strategics...it can be very benefitial either for me and for my native country


Evreyi ne bili bi takimi silnimi esli oni ne dumali o strategii razvitie nacii...bit patriotom horosho...no....nado lutshe nauchitsya dumat for the long-term

[Ulugbek_99]

Please don't get so emotional. I just think you are making a decision without using logic. I think the only reason you are thinking this is because from the time you were born until now you were told to love your country. I have no idea how I can love a country? I am more worried about people. Country=government=stuff I don't like.:lol:
Dear atpaint,

When we mean country, we mean its people too. When we say we would die for our land, that doesn't mean a patch mud, that means its people too.

I am not to judge anyones opinion to be wrong. Everyone is in different circumstances. I know some people in villages, in cities and if I was to make the decision for them, I would give each one ten citizenship. You should just need to live their lives for a month or two (which I have done myself), or at least watch them to struggle everyday to get by, yet keeping their dignity, rightiousness, and honor. How can you ask him, on whom depends five other hungry beings, to stay in Uzbekistan for his "motherland". Even getting to Russia somehow and making $200 a month is a dream too far to reach.

We, most of us blessed for our hard work (lucky, others call it), are now in mostly developed coutries carrying on with relatively little struggle and much opportunities. US citizenship would be good for opening up even more opportunities and more financial help to the families back in Uzbekistan.

But who will be the one that will take the responsibility for the well being of common people of Uzbekistan? Someone is gotta do it someday, but who?
I admit that there will be opportunities to help Uzbekistan being a US citizen, however, someone is gotta go back to stay and struggle. Is it me, is it you? I don't know, but I want to go back...

[Queen]

To exchange, NO! dual citizenship , permanent residency, I will do almost anything to get it as I know doors are closed for me without that in this country. Personally I think, I can't really help a lot to my country being in US. will I send $ to my parents and close relatives? that won't change anything there. We need to go back, and contribute.
People, what I don't understand why there is need for exchanging your citizenship while you can just remain as permanent resident and have all the benefits of citizens.

[Frida]

Frida, don't take it serious...I was just joking...I know it's a serious word and I would never call someone like that in any case.
and I don't get emotional:)

in fact, I need permanent residency myself very much(who doesn't need it?:D )...but the question asks would you exchange it?
of course having dual...is good...but...maybe, some people don';t care about those things, but some do... that's why we differ from each other and have different entitlements to some issues.

p.s. could you please not use such ambigous words as some, few, other etc. next time when referring to me? thanks!!!;)

Hey Martin, sorry, you caught me second time :), I remember once in another thread I said smth like that and you were a bit mad too :) just kidding. Honestly, I just check forum like once a week or so, well maybe be more often when I have time. Then I have to read all of the posts of the thread I got interested in. So then I forget what I read and whose post was it. Sorry for that :) I knew you were kidding, that is why I used smilie face :)

[Frida]

Hey, I've got a question --- do you have to have OVIR visa if you are a resident of another country? I guess you do, right? I mean it says -- Dunyoning barcha davlatlariga chiqish uchun - so in order to leave the country you gotta have it anyway? Eh? what is the point then if you get your residency but then for some reason you will be denied for OVIR visa, if you for example go back for vacation or for visiting your parents. Vot tebe i kryshka - Grishka bo'ladide unda, a? just curious :D

[Martingale]

Hey, I've got a question --- do you have to have OVIR visa if you are a resident of another country? I guess you do, right? I mean it says -- Dunyoning barcha davlatlariga chiqish uchun - so in order to leave the country you gotta have it anyway? Eh? what is the point then if you get your residency but then for some reason you will be denied for OVIR visa, if you for example go back for vacation or for visiting your parents. Vot tebe i kryshka - Grishka bo'ladide unda, a? just curious :D

manimcha, buni pul bilan qisa buladi.

mani ovir visam 2006 maygacha edi...bu yoz bormadim uyga...sroki utsa nima buladi? hech kimni habari yumi?
moderatorlar, kerakli sectionga surib quyarsilar, esli cho...ja kopsilar silarga ham ish qoldiray dedim.;) :lol:

[barakalla]

Hey, I've got a question --- do you have to have OVIR visa if you are a resident of another country? I guess you do, right? I mean it says -- Dunyoning barcha davlatlariga chiqish uchun - so in order to leave the country you gotta have it anyway? Eh? what is the point then if you get your residency but then for some reason you will be denied for OVIR visa, if you for example go back for vacation or for visiting your parents. Vot tebe i kryshka - Grishka bo'ladide unda, a? just curious :D
there is an option to avoid this situation - you can apply for different type of OVIR visa - i forgot how to call it and don't have my passport to look and check, but anyways, it's an OVIR viza dlya viezjayushih na PMJ. Takaya viza poluchaetsya raz i navsegda, no v etom est' sleduyushiy minus - kajdiy raz priezjaya v Uzbekistan nado budet vstavat' na vremenniy uchet...
S drugoy storoni, s takoy vizoy, pri uslovii chto po priezdu v US chelovek stanovitsya na uchet v pos-ve kak permanent resident, ne budet problem s obmenom passporta i ego vidayut pryamo tut, v shtatah. V ostal'nih sluchayah, kak pravilo, lyudey otpravlyayut v Uzbekistan...

[Martingale]

there is an option to avoid this situation - you can apply for different type of OVIR visa - i forgot how to call it and don't have my passport to look and check, but anyways, it's an OVIR viza dlya viezjayushih na PMJ. Takaya viza poluchaetsya raz i navsegda, no v etom est' sleduyushiy minus - kajdiy raz priezjaya v Uzbekistan nado budet vstavat' na vremenniy uchet...
S drugoy storoni, s takoy vizoy, pri uslovii chto po priezdu v US chelovek stanovitsya na uchet v pos-ve kak permanent resident, ne budet problem s obmenom passporta i ego vidayut pryamo tut, v shtatah. V ostal'nih sluchayah, kak pravilo otpravlyayut v Uzbekistan...

barakalla, see my question as well...above...thanks!

[barakalla]

manimcha, buni pul bilan qisa buladi.

mani ovir visam 2006 maygacha edi...bu yoz bormadim uyga...sroki utsa nima buladi? hech kimni habari yumi?
moderatorlar, kerakli sectionga surib quyarsilar, esli cho...ja kopsilar silarga ham ish qoldiray dedim.;) :lol:
Hech nima bo'lmaydi. Mani OVIR'im 2003 yilda tugagan edi, man esa uyga 2006 yil qaytib bordim. Boshqattan apply qilib, olaverasiz borganingizda.
OVIR vizasi O'zbekistondan CHIQIB ketish muhlatini ko'rsatadi holos, chet elda yurish muhlatini emas

[elDoraDo]

he he ...sounds like in kindergarden "Romashka"

look:

1. Ya talking about democratics...do we have it? who gonna count ya votes?

2. Taxation...why I need to think about taxation issue, when I have my grandpa/grandma/aunts/auncles...& too much neighbours who can't survive withour my aid....who gonna take care of them....will they get $15
pension from my tax??!!

it is better - If I give them that $15 directly

3. What development process are ya talking about...we have full scale of degradation....


dear, sizga hali american passport boerishmadi, judayam hayajonlanmang.
you can disagree with me as much as you want, but please refrain yourself from implying my statements as a kindergarten b/s. the wise approach would be - saying i am more cosmopolitan, or whatever the word you choose, and you are less. but definitely not the approach you use to you sex-partner or childhood friend.

ontopic I am talking about thw whole life, not a period of it. and right from this of view - don't tell me that you gonna live in uzb or come here to "invest"with your tourist investments. once you get your american [pass, you belong to there and don't even think about lieing to urself, you don't come here. how many uzbeks with us passports do you know that are assisting or smhow helping uzb ppl , not talking about big policy issues?>

you know what is the difference - between those who escaped in the beginning of XXth, and those who gave their lives for "smth" which was kind of fairy tale thing that time?
it is that i call firt - chickens, and seconds heroes. maybe even those chickens somehow fought for their "smth" in the country. but you and other you kind people - you use your first opportunity to do so even without fight.

p.s. if that's interesting to you
there are other things - such as state defence, education, social policies, you votes, you taxes (again), and the whole other things which play ha huge role in development process. you kind of "smart" people - sit and cry that everything is bad in the country, and those who really sincerely love, care about the country - do some actions while belonging to the country.

sorry in a hurry, anyways, hopefully u got my main point.

damn...so many homeland traitors...:D

almost 50%:lol:
welcome to reality, uzbek, welcome to reality

[Amiri Turkiston]

elDoraDo:

OK, understand ya point, but...if you don;t wonna get bribes....if you want to work in a correct way for the Government - YOU will NOT SURVIVE

if you doesn't have TANK - you will NOT BE PROMOTED to the better JOB, unless you have "super mind"....& as you know, nobody listed to you if you are just a simple Government worker


RE: STATE DEFENCE: you know with $500, I can cross our border with anything you want....all our system is damned

Because nobody wants to work for $100 per month....

I personally don't wonna work for the G. who pays $15 as a pension for old people, who at least needs $50 for his/her treatment at the hospital....

[Hamitovich]

then why do you need this passport?
if you cannot help your ppl with democratic (sooner or later) votes
if you cannot pay your taxes for the development p[rocess of your country?
if , if , if... you just have it, live it - and shame on you.
p.s. i see myself so "outdated" My votes do not make difference because voting system in Uzbekistan is so honest! My taxes going not to support my people but to support the mafia that hijacked the government of people. Yes, you are outdated and use some common sense "PATRIOT"

[Hamitovich]

As a matter of fact, i know a lady who's got US citizenship AND keeps her uzbek one. She told me she needs to go to Uzbekistan at least once a year and do some paperwork to keep the citizenship. I'm gonna be talking to her soon to find it out 'cause i might do the same in near future.

as for the topic - if i find way to keep my own and get US - i will. If i won't - i'll just stick to permanent residency. I kinda like my green passport, no matter what :rolleyes: She can lose her US citizenship if USCIS officials will find it out.

[elDoraDo]

My votes do not make difference because voting system in Uzbekistan is so honest! My taxes going not to support my people but to support the mafia that hijacked the government of people. Yes, you are outdated and use some common sense "PATRIOT"


well as i already said -
you sit, be modern, and get a life there. sm other outdates patriots will try to smhow improve governments and ppls life.
anyways, if you need some more explanations, please refer to my above posted msgs. as it says - i was not talking about a period of life.

[Hamitovich]

well as i already said -
you sit, be modern, and get a life there. sm other outdates patriots will try to smhow improve governments and ppls life.
anyways, if you need some more explanations, please refer to my above posted msgs. as it says - i was not talking about a period of life. F..U...C...K.........Y...O...U!

[badbashara]

woahahahhahahah
Is there any other offers like UK,EU passports? Passport is too much green card that's what I would like to have.
eldorado go get some sushi, patriot mush....

[Uzbekxonim]

Please don't get so emotional. I just think you are making a decision without using logic. I think the only reason you are thinking this is because from the time you were born until now you were told to love your country. I have no idea how I can love a country? I am more worried about people. Country=government=stuff I don't like.:lol:

you know, sometimes while deciding some things in your life you should listen to your heart and not logic.
if you don't know how one can love his country you'll never understand me.

[Frida]

ontopic I am talking about thw whole life, not a period of it. and right from this of view - don't tell me that you gonna live in uzb or come here to "invest"with your tourist investments. once you get your american [pass, you belong to there and don't even think about lieing to urself, you don't come here. how many uzbeks with us passports do you know that are assisting or smhow helping uzb ppl , not talking about big policy issues?>

elDoraDo, I dont understand why you are judging people so much. You dont know them, how can you for sure say that once they get their passports they wont give a f*** to Uzb? I mean at the end of the day, what is better for the economy of Uzb - someone who is bringing money or some patriot who sits in government office and earns $50 and all his day is divided between lunch time and teatime. I am not saying that is what every single person who goes back to Uzb will do, but I am pretty sure that after 5 years they will just "qolipga tushirib qo'yishadi". So no need to blame people, I hope their intentions are real and no matter where they are they will keep their patriotic spirit. Cause I am sure the day will come and Uzb will need anyone, patriots, businessmen and academics too :) If some of them will be uzbek americans, or canadians, who cares? So, then I dont think citizenship will matter. Only thing: you wont be able to vote, gospoda. But that is your choice.

DJIGIT --- nu poskoreyye by nashli svoyu "zolotuyu seredinu", to starik, to mladenec. Nu kogda je photo nastayashego djigita naydete :D

[Gareeb]

Amerika fuqaroligini olishga zormasman.
Uzbek fuqaroligimni bekorga berishga ham tayyorman, menga bir tiyinlik foydasi yo'q, aksincha zarari tegyapti hozirgi kunda.
Vatanimga foydam tegadigan bo'lsa shundoq ham tegaveradi, qaysi davlat fuqaroligi bo'lishimni farqi yo'q.
Uzbekistonda chet el fuqarosi bo'lib yashash uzbek fuqarosi bo'lib yashashdan ko'ra osonroq deb o'ylayman.
Ba'zi bir vatanparvarlani gapini o'qib ketim bilan kulyapman, tax,demokratiyamush, heh:lol: Ertagiylarni bog'cha bollarga aytinglar agar ular ham ishonsa ;)

[ДЖИГИТ]

elDoraDo, I dont understand why you are judging people so much. You dont know them, how can you for sure say that once they get their passports they wont give a f*** to Uzb? I mean at the end of the day, what is better for the economy of Uzb - someone who is bringing money or some patriot who sits in government office and earns $50 and all his day is divided between lunch time and teatime. I am not saying that is what every single person who goes back to Uzb will do, but I am pretty sure that after 5 years they will just "qolipga tushirib qo'yishadi". So no need to blame people, I hope their intentions are real and no matter where they are they will keep their patriotic spirit. Cause I am sure the day will come and Uzb will need anyone, patriots, businessmen and academics too :) If some of them will be uzbek americans, or canadians, who cares? So, then I dont think citizenship will matter. Only thing: you wont be able to vote, gospoda. But that is your choice.

DJIGIT --- nu poskoreyye by nashli svoyu "zolotuyu seredinu", to starik, to mladenec. Nu kogda je photo nastayashego djigita naydete :D

Fridahon, Nastoyashiy DJIGIT i v mladenchestve DJIGIT i v starosti DJIGIT. Zolotaya seredina ne zavisit ot vozrasta, zolotaya seredina v tom, chto kajdiy mujchina doljen bit' DJIGITom v lyubom vozraste:cool: :D .

[melo]

you know, sometimes while deciding some things in your life you should listen to your heart and not logic.
if you don't know how one can love his country you'll never understand me.

In my experiences, patriotism is not a good thing. It leads to the idea of state over individual. My morals can not accept that idea. It is also the process of losing logic and reasoning. I do admire your enthusiasm and belief that you can help your people. Hopefully we can see that in action one day.:)

[NYyankNY]

savolga javop ..I'M US Citizen And i love it :P


I'm shock . Lots of PPL don't like USA :rolleyes:
Lots of PPL live in USA from Uzbekistan and the work and study .
Help there on family in Tashkent r Uzbekistan .
The don't pay TAX the make more than the make in Years in Uzbekistan.
I'm US citizen Its like you come to my house you et and make sh**t in my table
And then ask me what alls to et .

I see lots off PPL don't like USA why?
And you don't like why you come ?
IF you say you come to USA for study .
Tall your lovely Uzbekistan to make University you cane study

Agar oxer tegsa uzr tilap NYyankNY

[Wolfman]

mani bir nech pasportim bor, keragi yo'q bir qog'oz. ayrimlari muammo qilsa, ayrimlarini foydasi bor.

O'z ni passportiga kelsak, eng oxirgi varog'ida yozilganlarini kolxoz tiliga tarjima qilaman: "... uchbu passportning egasi O'z R ning mulki hisoblanadi." :lol: farqi bormi? albatta. US ni pasportini bepul berishsa ham olmas edim.


Wolf

[evgin]

if i were an Uzbek citizien,i wouldn't change it...

[elDoraDo]

Frida,

I am sorry if I was too judgemental. I understand I dont have the right to judge others. The thing was all about me and my way of understanding this citizenship issue. And I still keep it.

NYyankNY, that:s not about your country. That was between a citizen of one country and that country only. Stay cool ;)

Peace,

[Martingale]

karoche tax, max..I will bring the money to my country even if I live in US - Bullshit! excuse me for my french...;)
the reality is every person is egoist to some extent and wants to succeed. i don't judge people who want to become US citizen, because they want to succeed or maybe survive. Every person is Individual. let the person decide what's right or wrong for her/himself.

everybody should decide based on the circumstances.


peace evryone,;)

[Uzbekxonim]

In my experiences, patriotism is not a good thing. It leads to the idea of state over individual. My morals can not accept that idea. It is also the process of losing logic and reasoning. I do admire your enthusiasm and belief that you can help your people. Hopefully we can see that in action one day.:)

people are different, opinions are different...etc ;)

[galagen]

I also think that no matter what pasport u have ,it doesnt change your mental opinion about who u r inside or out!!!