Have you ever dreamed to die as a shahid?

[Administrator]

serious question. sometimes i dream about that really .

[Martingale]

why did you open two threads?:rolleyes:

Bu dunyoni tashvishlaridan qurqib uzini shahid qilgan inson tugri duzahga boradi. betayin mavzu ekan.

[Administrator]

just imagine that US army(or chinese,russian,etc..) is invading our country so wuold u like to became like one of shahids of Badr battle and go to front line and and pray "god make me shahid" and after that run to battlegroundto die ...?

[Martingale]

just imagine that US army(or chinese,russian,etc..) is invading our country so wuold u like to became like one of shahids of Badr battle and go to front line and and pray "god make me shahid" and after that run to battlegroundto die ...?

qanqa tushlar kurib yuribsiz bratan...nafasizni issiq qiling eee:evil: ....
ratsional yondashin hamma narsaga:cool:...bular bulmas narsani hayol qilib yotavermangda...Shahid bulishni orzu qib yahsagandan kura shahid bumasdan turib muammoni hal qilish yulini qidirish kerak.

siz ham u bu oqimga kushilib koldizmi deyman? ehtoyot bulin qattasiz uzi? :)

[Administrator]

oqimni nima aqloqasi bor ?nima sizga oqimga qoshiladigan yoshda edimmi? shunchaki muhamamda .s.v.v va tort halifa tarihni oqiganimda insonlarnig shahid bolishga havas qilishganin korib hayron qolaman ayniqsa paygambarimiz haytolik davrida haatoki boy zadogonlar ham kanga ozlari qatnashib paygambarizmidan boladigan jangda shahid ketishini olohda sorab dua qilishgan hattoki moli yoq kambagalalr ham qurol va ot topib janga faqatrgina shahid bolsih uchun borishgan,yani bunu sababi irganish uchun shahidlar hudoni beradigan mavqei toliq anglash kerak hayotga bir marta kelamiz ,va bazilar oddiy olim emas balki shahidlikni orzu qiladi, men hardoyim sizga orzu qulaman demadim balki goh gohida dedim va yani samalyotga otirib binoni uring yoki avtobusga kirib ozingizni portalating demayapman balkim masalan vataningiz bosqichilar hujumida qolsa shu imkoniyatda foydalanib narigi dunyoga shahid darajasida ketishga harakat qilar edingizmi dedim?yani oz ozini oddiy fuqurolarorasida portlatishni meas balkim qurollangan dushmanga qarshi jang maydonida tik yurishni aytyapman halos..bazi bir malumotlarga kora 2 jahon urushida tataristondan aynan shu mqasada frontga ketganlr juda kop bolgan ekan..

[Martingale]

tataristondan???
tatarlar urush davrida hoinlik qigan deb eshitganman rostmi shu gap...yolgon busa aytarsiz shu joyini edit qivoraman.

Yan qaytaraman, u davrdagi janglarni manosi boshqacha bulgan...bu davrdagi janglar bilan qiyoslash kerakmas...sizni musulmonligiz uchun bostirib kemayotgandir..ushalar sizni taly boyligini olay deb kelyotgan busa kerak..endi siz uzizni portillatib tashashish shartmi? aqlan ish qilib halqizni qutqarish chorasini kurin...agar kuniz bitgan busa, balki halok bul;arsiz jangda qahramonlarcha va ushandagina shahidga aylansiz. Lekin jangga shahid bulay deb orzu qib kirishlik bu g'irt ahmoqona fikr. Ahir jangga kirishdan maqsad...dushmani ezib yanchiqb halqimni qutqaray debgan emasmi yo uzimni uldiray deb kirasmi? boshqa gap yuq. agra rostdan shunaqa deb uylasayiz...bu sizni fikriz...lekin dustim yahshi psihiatrlar bor.;)

[kingdom]

bu dreamingizni public qimasdan keep qilib yurin bro
!serious question. sometimes i dream about that really .

[Administrator]

martingale obbooo yana tushunmadingiz,men sizg shunchaki misol keltirdim meni savolim shu agar togri manoda shaid bolishga imkoniyat tugilsa siz masaln oshiqar edingizmi olimga? men omm ichida ozozi portlatishni aytpayabman msaln birovni qiurqarib qolish uchun ham shahid bolish mumkn inson

[Administrator]

bu dreamingizni public qimasdan keep qilib yurin bro
!
bun narsani hali dream qiladiganalr darjisag yetganim yoq va hammaga ham berimagan bunday narsani dream qilish men forum ahling fikrin bilmoqchi edim va lutfan shahid nima ekanligi tushunmaganalr avva bu mavzuni organib chiqib keyin threadga yozsa,,ahir palestindagi shaidlar haqida emasku bu gap.

[Masanori]

hozirgi zamonda eng maqbul jihod bu ma`rifatni targib qilish. Islom - ma`rifat demakdir. Agar usha jihod qilib yuribman deganlar pullarini qurol yaroqqa emas, Islomiy ma`rifatni targib qilishga sarflaganlarida edi, muminlar uchun foydasi ancha kup bulardi, undan tashqari Islomning hozirgi "terroristik" qiyofasi ham uzgargan bulardi. Islom deganda hozirda odamlarda qurquv hissi vujudga kelmoqda, aynan ana shu uylanmagan jihodlar bois. Hozirgi dunyoda quroldan kura mafkuraviy jang va kurash kuproq narsani belgilab beradi.

[Administrator]

obbo man jihod haqoda gapirmadim jihod oz yoliga man konkretni shahid ketish haqida gapiyapman tarihda kop insonlar shunday olish orzu qilishgan hozir ham qilsihmoqda .... shu haqidadir mavzu aslida jihod qilish degandek mashqatliish otgrisida emas

[Delf]

"I would never die for my beleifs because I might be wrong" - Bertrand Russel.


Delf

[shayhontohur]

Shu temaga izoh sifatida quyidagi hadisni keltirmoqchiman.

Абу Хурайра розияллоху анхудан ривоят килинади:
«Пайгамбар соллаллоху алайхи васаллам:
«Шахидлар бешдир; вабода ўлган, корин касали билан ўлган, сувга гарк бўлиб ўлган, Йикилган нарсанинг остида колиб ўлган ва Аллохнинг йўлида шахид бўлганлар», дедилар».
Бешовларидан факат Абу Довуд ривоят килмаган.
Ушбу хадиси шарифда Пайгамбаримиз соллаллоху алайхи васаллам «Шахидлар бешдир» деб туриб уларни санамокдалар.

[FREEMAN]

shahid bulishni orzu qilish bu buyuk harakter. shahid bulish ulug martaba. lekin yuqorida martingale etip utgandi uzingni portlatishni nima keregi bor dep. kechirasizu uzini portlatvotgan shahid hisoplanmidi .aksiga inson uldirgani uchun jahannammga ravona bulishi turgan gap. terrorist musulmon bulolmaydi.musulmon esa terrorist bulolmaydi. kimki uzin portlatish yoki suiqasd qilish va shung ahshagan terror yullarini shahidlik dep bilib shu ishni qilsa albatta ki u musulmonchilikdan chiqadi. masalan turkiyadan misol bersak. PKK terroristlari kontragilla urushlari oborishvotti haliyam iroq suriya chegaralariga yaqin joylarda. kuniga bir nechta turk armiyasi soldatlari ularni yuqqilish uchun shahid buladi.ana bu haqiqi shahidliktir. kunimizda ham shahid bulish mumkin. u paytdagi urushlar bu zamondagi urushlardan farq qiladi dep oylash uncha tugri ham emas.

ozbekistonda andijon voqealarida, toshkent portlashlarida buzgunchi terrorostlarga qarshi kurashda vafot qilgan uzbekiston qurolli kuchlar nafarlari yoki militsialar albatta ki shahiddirlar. terroristlar esa shahid bulmaydilar. chunki ular adashgan va musulmonchilikdan chiqqanlar.

agar man militsioner yoki uzbekiston armiyasi soldati busam jonim bilan bu terroristlarni yuq qilish uchun vatanim uchun shahid bulishga tayyorman. va buni orzu qilib yashash bemag'ur gap emas. va oqimlar bilan esa uzoqdan yaqindan aloqasi yuq. bu iymon masalasi. terroristlarga qarshi quyishda man prezidentim uchun , yoki lyuboy begunoh fuqaro uchun jonimni berishga ham tayyorman. chunki bu ham shahidlikdir. buzgunchilik va tinchlikni buzuyotganlar shahid bulolmaydilar.

[Black]

shahid bulishni orzu qilish bu buyuk harakter. shahid bulish ulug martaba. lekin yuqorida martingale etip utgandi uzingni portlatishni nima keregi bor dep. kechirasizu uzini portlatvotgan shahid hisoplanmidi .aksiga inson uldirgani uchun jahannammga ravona bulishi turgan gap. terrorist musulmon bulolmaydi.musulmon esa terrorist bulolmaydi. kimki uzin portlatish yoki suiqasd qilish va shung ahshagan terror yullarini shahidlik dep bilib shu ishni qilsa albatta ki u musulmonchilikdan chiqadi. masalan turkiyadan misol bersak. PKK terroristlari kontragilla urushlari oborishvotti haliyam iroq suriya chegaralariga yaqin joylarda. kuniga bir nechta turk armiyasi soldatlari ularni yuqqilish uchun shahid buladi.ana bu haqiqi shahidliktir. kunimizda ham shahid bulish mumkin. u paytdagi urushlar bu zamondagi urushlardan farq qiladi dep oylash uncha tugri ham emas.

ozbekistonda andijon voqealarida, toshkent portlashlarida buzgunchi terrorostlarga qarshi kurashda vafot qilgan uzbekiston qurolli kuchlar nafarlari yoki militsialar albatta ki shahiddirlar. terroristlar esa shahid bulmaydilar. chunki ular adashgan va musulmonchilikdan chiqqanlar.
agar man militsioner yoki uzbekiston armiyasi soldati busam jonim bilan bu terroristlarni yuq qilish uchun vatanim uchun shahid bulishga tayyorman. va buni orzu qilib yashash bemag'ur gap emas. va oqimlar bilan esa uzoqdan yaqindan aloqasi yuq. bu iymon masalasi. terroristlarga qarshi quyishda man prezidentim uchun , yoki lyuboy begunoh fuqaro uchun jonimni berishga ham tayyorman. chunki bu ham shahidlikdir. buzgunchilik va tinchlikni buzuyotganlar shahid bulolmaydilar.

Ancha balanparvoz gaplar, lekin ayrim firklaringiz hato.
1. Terrorist musulmon bo'lmaydi, musulmon terrorist bo'lmaydi, yoki terroristlik qilgan musulmonchilikdan chiqadi degan gaplar umuman noto'g'ri va Islom aqidasiga to'g'ri kelmaydi. Chunki aqidada unaqa gaplar yo'q. O'z fikrlaringizga asoslanib bunday hulosalar chiqarishingiz umuman hato. Odam bitta hato amali bilan musulmonchilikdan chiqib ketmaydi. Bu gap adashgan mo'tazaliylarning gaplariga ohshab ketayapti: Odam katta gunoh qilsa Islomdan chiqadi deyishgan ular.
2. AFAIK Odam vatanni himoya qilgani uchun shahid bo'lmaydi, balki Alloh uchun, Alloh yo'lida shahid bo'ladi wallohu 'alam. Tem bolee president uchun shahid bo'lmaydi. Musulmon odam president uchun "shahid bo'lishni" emas, Alloh yolida haqiqiy shahid bo'lishni oylashi va orzu qilishi kerak.

Bunaqa gaplarni gapirishda ehtiyot bo'lish kerak musulmonlar. Chunki aqida masalasida adashishlik va noto'g'ri hulosa/fatwolarni berishlik odam boshiga Qiyomatda ko'p kulfatlar keltirishi aniq.

Shahid bo'lishni orzu qilish ham musulmonlikning bir belgisi. Rasulilloh :saws: ning davrida sahoba r.a. lar jon jahdi bilan shahid bo'lishga intilganlar. Bir g'azotda jon berayotgan bir sahoba o'limni ham o'ylamasdan: "Yo Rasulilloh, men shahidmanmi?" deb so'raydi. Rasulilloh :saws: "Ha" deb javob berganlaridan keyin hursand bo'lib jon beradilar. Lekin afsus bugungi kunimizda "shahid bo'lish" va "shahid" tushunchalari noto'g'ri talqin etiladi. Ayrim Islomni yahshi tushunmaganlar yoki Islom dushmanlari bu so'zdan haddan tashqari qo'rqishadi (hattoki ayrim musulmonlar ham). Ayrimlar esa to'g'ri kelgan odamni "shahid" deb ketaveradi, masalan president uchun jon berganni, oddiy halqqa qarshi kurshib jon berganlarni.

Aytancha esimdan chiqay depti, militsiyalarni albatta shahid bo'lganini sizga kim aytdi? Yoki g'oyibdan habaringiz bormi? Yoki "Yuqoridan" kelga "shahidlar ro'yhati"da militsionerlarning ismini ham ko'rdingizmi?

[The Reaper]

serious question. sometimes i dream about that really .
Then pursue your dream! That's the best thing about life! You know, wishing to be laying dead in a pool of your own crap and guts, with that blank stare, and the yapper wide open.... spectacular! :D

Here's my advice.
1) Turn off your computer.
2) Take off your pants and your g-strings.
3) Open a drawer in your desk.
4) Put your hanging balls in there.
5) Ask your pal to slam the damn drawer shut!

Enjoy. :D

TR

[Black]

Then pursue your dream! That's the best thing about life! You know, wishing to be laying dead in a pool of your own crap and guts, with that blank stare, and the yapper wide open.... spectacular! :D

Here's my advice.
1) Turn off your computer.
2) Take off your pants and your g-strings.
3) Open a drawer in your desk.
4) Put your hanging balls in there.
5) Ask your pal to slam the damn drawer shut!

Enjoy. :D

TR

This is a vivid example of my words on my previous post.

P.S. Your advice is stupid. It would be miracle if you to say something normal or usefull. If I saw (read) you or yourkind people I always remember the retrads I met back in Europe.

[The Reaper]

This is a vivid example of my words on my previous post.

P.S. Your advice is stupid. It would be miracle if you to say something normal or usefull. If I saw (read) you or yourkind people I always remember the retrads I met back in Europe.

I know I'm far from your raghead goat humping shahid crowd. For that I apologize. :D

Administrator: Another tip for you. Go fill up your bathtub, throw your stereo in there!

Or:

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TR

[Gareeb]

Hayotdan eng katta orzuym shahid bo'lish.

[FREEMAN]

black. yuqoridagi gapla mani fikrim emas edi. bu bir. bu fikirla katt aolimni fikirlari...
siz umuman etiroz qilolmis bu fikrlaga. vatan uchun ulish jon uchun ulish , vatan dag osoyishtalik va tinchlik uchun ulish shahidlikdir. prezident uchun ulish ham shu jumladan. vatanda tnchlik saqlap turgan podishoh uhcun ulish shahidlikldir. betta prezidentni nafsi uhcun ulmayotir hech kim. kattaroq fikir yuritila iltimos. qisqa uylameyla. bir tomonlama uylameyla iltimos.

[Uzbekxonim]

9 people dream about dieying as a shahid:shock:
people, are you crazy? tom ketvottimi deyman...
is it about your belief in Allah?
i hope you know that to kill oneself is a sin....

[anatoliydaev]

Dreaming to die is a mental disorder. Salom, shakhids!

[Black]

9 people dream about dieying as a shahid:shock:
people, are you crazy? tom ketvottimi deyman...
is it about your belief in Allah?
i hope you know that to kill oneself is a sin....
Mdeee, this is the level of our muslims, lawers, generally our people.
Honim as a muslim (if you consider yourself a muslim) you should not say such words. From Islamic point of view you sound crazy (no offence honim, but "kakoy privet takoy otvet"). Because... the reason was said above. Read more. Being shahid does not mean killing yourself. Just read above posts, read the thread from the beginning and between the lines. No one is saying to commit suicide. Read Uzbekhonim read!
As a lawer you should know (though it is not me to teach you how you should be as a lawer) that peoples are judged by what they said and did. You are judging people on what they did not said or did or meant. So from juridical point of view you sound crazy (no offence honim, but "kakoy privet takoy otvet"). Just read above posts, read the thread from the beginning and between the lines. Read Uzbekhonim read!
From a human point of view your should not accuse people on what they did not say, do or mean.

It would be very usefull for others to read a bit before joining the discussion and start accusing people and jumping on them. Otherwise it will affect your reputaion negatively.

READ People READ (before posting)!

AS we can see even educated or "educated" people have no knowledge of the issue, so it is hard to imagine how ordinary people will react to such questions. Unfortunately our people's mind closed even if they study/work in the West. Their mind can not imagine and consider things which are not presented in the Westren media or they can not imagine that the things can be different from what the West represents them. Unfortunately many our "civilised" youths' mind stuck somewhere in the box called TV and can not function out of it. All the Westren views became unconditioned/conditioned reflex of their mind.
It is very sad.... Very sad that people do not use their minds but follow the stereotypes.

P.S. Uzbekhonim no offence.

[Black]

Dreaming to die is a mental disorder. Salom, shakhids!
Another example.

[Uzbekxonim]

Mdeee.

you better tell me what Shahid means according to Islam?

[Black]

you better tell me what Shahid means according to Islam?

Абу Хурайра розияллоху анхудан ривоят килинади:
«Пайгамбар соллаллоху алайхи васаллам:
«Шахидлар бешдир; вабода ўлган, корин касали билан ўлган, сувга гарк бўлиб ўлган, Йикилган нарсанинг остида колиб ўлган ва Аллохнинг йўлида шахид бўлганлар», дедилар».
Бешовларидан факат Абу Довуд ривоят килмаган.
Ушбу хадиси шарифда Пайгамбаримиз соллаллоху алайхи васаллам «Шахидлар бешдир» деб туриб уларни санамокдалар.

Birinchi to'rttasi tushunarli bo'lsa kerak. Beshinchisiga keyinroq to'htalaman, hozir shoshib turibman.

P.S. Mendan hafa emassiz degan umiddaman.

[Akhee-Abdullah]

serious question. sometimes i dream about that really .

It all depends or answer would depend on your definition of "Shaheed"... what you mean exactly by that...

If you mean by "shaheed" :

- Someone who sacrificed his life on the battlefield protecting his homeland, raising the flag of "La Ilaha il-Allah" against the agression of the Enemy

- Someone who died while travelling spreading the pure teachings of Islaam in the Ocean drowning, or in the desert with hunger/thirst, or stomach ache or any calamity

- A pregnant woman who died of pregnancy complications or a woman who died defending herself agains a rapist

These are all some examples of Martyrdom. Then we all ask for that (of course not in a sense that our pregnant women die or our women be raped and killed, we say she died martyr insha'Allah)

If you mean by "shaheed":

-Suicide bombing in a civilian bus, or slamming planes into Sky Scrapers

-Spreading terrorism and evil

- Looting and killing of Non-believers who are in peace and under protection

Then we CONDEMN it with the strongest words, it is not Martyrdom, rather it is prohibited EVIL.


I hope this quote will make the matte clear, read it, before you vote:




:info:Firstly:info: :

A long life in which a believer does righteous deeds is better for him than death.

The Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said:

“The best of people is the one who lives long and does good.”

Narrated by Ahmad and al-Tirmidhi, 110; classed as saheeh by al-Albaani in Saheeh al-Tirmidhi.

And he (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said:

“Glad tidings to the one who lives long and does good.”

Narrated by al-Tabaraani and Abu Na’eem, classed as saheeh by al-Albaani in Saheeh al-Jaami’, 3928.

Ahmad (8195) narrated that Abu Hurayrah (may Allaah be pleased with him) said:

Two men became Muslim with the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him). One of them was martyred, and the other remained for another year.

Talhah ibn ‘Ubayd-Allaah said: I was shown Paradise (in a dream), and in it I saw that the one who was delayed was admitted before the martyr. I was surprised by that, so the next morning I told the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) about that.

The Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “Did he not fast Ramadaan after he was gone, and pray six thousand rak’ahs, or such and such a number of rak'ahs, the prayers of one year?”

Classed as saheeh by al-Albaani in al-Silsilah al-Saheehah, 2591. al-‘Ajlooni said in Kashf al-Khafa’: its isnaad is hasan.

A man said: “O Messenger of Allaah, which of the people is best?” He said: “The one who lives long and does good.”

He said: “Which of the people is worst?” He said: “The one who lives long and does evil.”

Narrated by Ahmad and al-Tirmidhi, 2330; classed as saheeh by al-Albaani in Saheeh al-Tirmidhi.

Al-Teebi (may Allaah have mercy on him) said:

Time is like the capital of a businessman, and it should be invested in such a way as to make a profit. The greater the capital, the greater the profit. Whoever benefits from his life by doing good deeds will succeed and prosper, but whoever wastes his capital and does not prosper will evidently lose out. End quote.

"---Hence it was said to one of the salaf:

"Death is a good thing."

He replied: O son of my brother, do not do that, for an hour of life in which you ask Allaah for forgiveness is better for you than an eternity of death.

It was said to an old man among them: Would you not like to die?

He said: No, for youth and its evil have gone, and old age and its goodness have come. When I get up, I say Bismillaah (in the name of Allaah), and when I sit I say Al-hamdu Lillaah (praise be to Allaah), and I would like this to continue.

Many of the salaf would weep when they were dying, in sorrow for the cessation of their righteous deeds.

Hence the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) FORBADE WISHING FOR DEATH, because it deprives the believer of the goodness of obedience and the joy of worship, and of the opportunity to repent and make up for what one has missed.

It was narrated from Abu Hurayrah (may Allaah be pleased with him) that the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “No one of you should wish for death or pray for it before it comes, for when one of you dies, his good deeds come to an end and for the believer a long life will not increase him in anything but good.” Narrated by Muslim, 2682

So he mentioned the prohibition of wishing for death alongside the prohibition on praying for one's own death.

A version narrated by al-Bukhaari says: “No one of you should wish for death. Either he is a doer of good and will do more, or he is a doer of evil but perhaps he may stop.”

Al-Nawawi said: This hadeeth clearly indicates that it is makrooh to wish for death because of some harm that has befallen one, such as loss or distress caused by an enemy, or other such hardships of this world. But if a person fears harm or fitnah with regard to his religious commitment, it is not makrooh to wish for death, according to this hadeeth, and several of the salaf did that.

There is another reason why wishing for death is not allowed:

The throes of death are very hard, and the terror of seeing one's end draw nigh is immense. Man is faced with nothing else like it. Moreover, no one knows what awaits him after death.

We ask Allaah to keep us safe and sound. Wishing for death is seeking something which is unknown. Perhaps if he wishes for death because of some hardship that he has fallen into, he may end up like one who jumps out of the frying pan and into the fire, and after death he may find himself in an even worse situation. In that case, wishing for death is akin to seeking to hasten calamity before it happens. No wise man should do that, as the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “Do not wish to meet the enemy, and ask Allaah to keep you safe and sound.” (Agreed upon). A hadeeth to this effect has been narrated, but it is da’eef (weak).

It was narrated that Jaabir ibn ‘Abd-Allaah (may Allaah be pleased with him) said: The Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “Do not wish for death, for the terror that follows death is immense. It is a sign of blessing to live long and be guided by Allaah to repent.” Narrated by Ahmad; classed as da’eef by al-Albaani in Silsilat al-Ahaadeeth al-Da’eefah, 885.

Ibn ‘Umar heard a man wishing for death and he said: “Do not wish for death, for you are going to die. Ask Allaah to keep you safe and sound, for the dying person is exposed to great terror.”

Ibn Rajab (may Allaah have mercy on him) said: Many righteous men have wished for death when they were healthy, then when it came they hated it because it is so difficult, such as Abu’l-Darda’ and Sufyaan al-Thawri, so what do you think about people other than them?

Wishing for death, if the reason for it is difficulties in worldly matters, is forbidden because wishing for death in that case is indicative of impatience or panic as a result of the calamity that has befallen.

It was narrated from Anas ibn Maalik (may Allaah be pleased with him) that the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “No one of you should wish for death because of some harm that has befallen him, but if he must do that then let him say: ‘O Allaah, keep me alive so long as life is good for me, and cause me to die when death is good for me.’” Agreed upon.

What is meant by “some harm that has befallen him” is worldly harms such as sickness, loss of wealth and children, and the like. But if he fears harm to his religious commitment, such as fitnah, then there is nothing wrong with wishing for death in that case, as we shall see below.

Perhaps the one who wishes for death in order to find relief from the harm that has befallen him will only increase in exhaustion and pain, he does not know.

It was narrated that ‘Aa’ishah (may Allaah be pleased with her) said: It was said: “O Messenger of Allaah, So and so has died, and has found relief.” The Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) got angry and said: “Only the one who is forgiven finds relief.” Narrated by Ahmad, 24192; classed as saheeh by al-Albaani in al-Silsilah al-Saheehah, 1710.

[Akhee-Abdullah]

And...continues here

:info:Secondly::info:

There are some cases in which it is prescribed to wish for death, such as the following:

1 – One who fears for his religious commitment because of fitnah

Undoubtedly death which takes a person away from fitnah (tribulation, temptation that takes one away from religious commitment), even if his righteous deeds are few, is better for him than being subjected to tribulations with regard to his religious commitment. We ask Allaah to keep us safe and sound.

It was narrated from Mahmoud ibn Labeed (may Allaah be pleased with him) that the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “There are two things that the son of Adam dislikes: death, although death is better for a believer than fitnah; and he dislikes having little wealth, but less wealth means less reckoning.” Narrated by Ahmad; classed as saheeh by al-Albaani in al-Silsilah al-Saheehah, 813.

The fact that wishing for death in this situation is also prescribed is indicated by the words of the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) in his du’aa’: “If You should decree fitnah for Your slaves, then take my soul (in death) before I am put to trial.” Narrated by al-Tirmidhi, 3233; classed as saheeh by al-Albaani in Saheeh al-Jaami’.

Ibn Rajab (may Allaah have mercy on him) said: This is permissible according to the majority of scholars.

Based on this, the reports of the salaf wishing for death are to be understood as meaning that they wished for death for fear of fitnah.

Maalik narrated that Sa’eed ibn al-Musayyab said: When ‘Umar ibn al-Khattab came from Mina, he made his camel kneel at al-Abtah, and then he gathered a pile of small stones and cast his cloak over them and dropped to the ground. Then he raised his hands to the sky and said, 'O Allaah! I have become old and my strength has weakened. My flock is scattered. Take me to You with nothing missed out and without having neglected anything.'

Sa’eed said: Dhu’l-Hijjah did not end before ‘Umar (may Allaah be pleased with him) was murdered.

Abu Hurayrah (may Allaah be pleased with him) said: Whoever sees death offered for sale, let him buy it for me!

Al-Thabaat ‘inda al-Mamaat, by Ibn al-Jawzi, p. 45

2 – When his death is martyrdom for the sake of Allaah, may He be glorified and exalted.

There are many ahaadeeth which indicate that wishing for death in this case is prescribed, such as the following:

It was narrated from Abu Hurayrah (may Allaah be pleased with him) that the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “Were it not that it would be too hard for my ummah, I would not have stayed behind from any campaign. Would that I could be killed for the sake of Allaah, then brought back to life then killed, then brought back to life then killed.” Agreed upon.

The Messenger (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) wished to be killed for the sake of Allaah, and that was only because of the great virtue of martyrdom.

Muslim (1909) narrated that the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “Whoever asks Allaah sincerely for martyrdom, Allaah will cause him to attain the status of the martyr, even if he dies in his bed.”

The salaf (may Allaah be pleased with them) loved the idea of dying for the sake of Allaah.

Abu Bakr (may Allaah be pleased with him) said, concerning the liar Musaylimah, when he claimed to be a prophet: “By Allaah, I will fight him with people who love death as they love life.”

Khaalid ibn al-Waleed (may Allaah be pleased with him) wrote to the people of Persia saying: “By the One besides Whom there is no other god, I shall send against you people who love death as you love life.”

This status is something desirable – may Allaah not deprive us of it – and seeking it is something that is praiseworthy, because the one who is given it will not be deprived of the reward for righteous deeds for which a person may want to live and which may be better for a person than death. Moreover Allaah will spare the one who attains this status from the torment of the grave.

It was narrated that Salmaan (may Allaah be pleased with him) said: I heard the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) say: “Standing on guard at the border for one day and one night is better than fasting and praying qiyaam for a month, and if he dies, will be given the reward for the good deeds that he used to do, and he will be given provision, and he will be kept safe from al-fattaan [i.e., Munkar and Nakeer, the two angels who question the deceased in the grave].”

Muslim, 1913.

Conclusion: It is makrooh for a Muslim to wish for death if the reason for that is some worldly harm that has befallen him. Rather he must be patient and seek the help of Allaah. We ask Allaah to grant you relief from the distress that you are suffering

[Akhee-Abdullah]

Then pursue your dream! That's the best thing about life! You know, wishing to be laying dead in a pool of your own crap and guts, with that blank stare, and the yapper wide open.... spectacular! :D

Here's my advice.
1) Turn off your computer.
2) Take off your pants and your g-strings.
3) Open a drawer in your desk.
4) Put your hanging balls in there.
5) Ask your pal to slam the damn drawer shut!

Enjoy. :D

TR

Please...respect people of faith!!! do NOT insult them and their spirituality!!!

Yes every pack has its own moron...we have some, you have some....

But our worst is better than your best, because he has IYMAN in his heart, a key to Paradise.


A tak...qarade bola...

Mana bu uchun:

know I'm far from your raghead goat humping shahid crowd. For that I apologize.

Administrator: Another tip for you. Go fill up your bathtub, throw your stereo in there

Agar Dinim ma'n etmaganida, kotaningni Sughurib Olib Buyninga Arqon Qilib orardim!!!

[Aziz]

"I would never die for my beleifs because I might be wrong" - Bertrand Russel.


Delf

what a weak person!!!

[FREEMAN]

9 people dream about dieying as a shahid:shock:
people, are you crazy? tom ketvottimi deyman...
is it about your belief in Allah?
i hope you know that to kill oneself is a sin....


uzbekhonim sindirdiz lekin.. shahid degani birowni uldirish emas. lol .

sizi eriz sizi himoya ( zashita ruschasi sila tushunadigan til) sizi zashita qilip ulishga tayyor er kere mi yoki qurqoq bolip qochadigan ermi. eriz siz uchun jonini berip olsa shahid buladi. yana etip uti uzini uzi uldirishdan gap ketmayapti. yana tushunmi utirmalaring. lol .


Prezident uchun ulganlar shahid buladi. chunki prezidentni zashita qilp ulvotti. hudo kursatamasin prezidentg abir narsa bulsa notinchliklar foyda buladi va halq davlat katta zarar kuradi. tashqaridan va ichkaridan yemirilib boshlaydi davlat va jamiyat. prezidenti uchun ulgan odam halqi uchun ulgan hisoblanadi. agar kim prezident uchun ulishga tayyor bumasa unda borsin uzoqroq ketvursin ozbekistoından. musulmon inson halqi uchun yashaydigan birow undan zarar kurmaydigan ,osayishtalik va tinchlik posbonidir.

islom dini bizarga mana shuni urgatadi. vohobilarga ushap hamma yoqni yiq uldirni emas.

[infolife]

Shu temaga izoh sifatida quyidagi hadisni keltirmoqchiman.

Абу Хурайра розияллоху анхудан ривоят килинади:
«Пайгамбар соллаллоху алайхи васаллам:
«Шахидлар бешдир; вабода ўлган, корин касали билан ўлган, сувга гарк бўлиб ўлган, Йикилган нарсанинг остида колиб ўлган ва Аллохнинг йўлида шахид бўлганлар», дедилар».
Бешовларидан факат Абу Довуд ривоят килмаган.
Ушбу хадиси шарифда Пайгамбаримиз соллаллоху алайхи васаллам «Шахидлар бешдир» деб туриб уларни санамокдалар.

Farzand korayotganda va yoki chaqalog'ini tarbiyalash davomida olamdan otgan ona ham shahid boladi deb oqigandim yo bu ishonchsiz hadismidiyknia esitkina shu ayollarbop ediykan

butun oilam shahid bolishini duo qilaman inshaAllah

[infolife]

9 people dream about dieying as a shahid:shock:
people, are you crazy? tom ketvottimi deyman...
is it about your belief in Allah?
i hope you know that to kill oneself is a sin....

dumalab tushdim oziyam shu gappi oqibchi:lol:
shahid bolishni istamaganlardan sorasa boladi r u crzy deb

shahid degani sizga ozini oldirishmas Uzbekhonim
yahshiroq search qib koringda topvolas

[Martingale]

9 people dream about dieying as a shahid:shock:
people, are you crazy? tom ketvottimi deyman...
is it about your belief in Allah?
i hope you know that to kill oneself is a sin....

fikrizga qushilaman, uzbekxonim. bravo!!!

Black, Payg'ambarimiz aytgan 5ta shaheed yulini man quyidagicha tushundim. 4tasi uz uzidan malum nima haqda gap ketyotganligini.

5nchisiga kelsak. Yani hudo yulida uzini qurbon qiganlar debdi shaheed buladi. Tug'ri gap. Hudo yuliga uzini qurbon qilish degan lekin bu sizni vatanizni yoki boshqa uzizni yaqin insoniz uchun qurbon qilish deganimas, bir hillarin kupirib toshirib aytgandey. Afsuski, palestinedagilar yoki boshqa arablar uz maqsadlari yulida bu hadislarni interpret qilib Plaestineda uzini portlatish, agar dushmanga talafot keltiradigan busa, mumkin deb quygnadur. Ammo lekin bu degani hudo yuliga deganimasku. Demak strict scrutiny buycha qarasak ham, demak bu yol'gon. Meni bior narsa hayratda qoldiradi. Shu bizni uzimizni vatanimzdagi ulamolar shunaqa arablar tomonidan uylab chiqqan fatwolar yoki boshqa iternpretayionlani kur-kurona qabul qivorishadi. Tuhten janob, bu bizni yurtda ham Al-Buhoriy singari islom dinining buyuk namoyondalari bugan.
Nimaga endi biz faqat shu arablar isroil bilan urushgani uchun chiqarib tashagan qonunlarga rioya qilishimiz kerak. Asosiy sourcedan qolmasligim kerak. Agar shahid shu 5 alasi buladigan busa, shular buldi tamom vassalom!

hech qanqa dushman ni orasiga tushvolib uzini portlatish savob emas. Yagona ticket - bu jahannam. Chunki islom dinida uzini bila turib ulimga mahkum qilish - bu gunoh .Albatta jang maydonida uzizni vataniz uchun ulsez, bu boshqa gap. Siz shahid ketsangiz ham arziydi. Ammo siz ushanda ham shaheed bulay deb emas(uqi yahshilab!!!), siz ulganizdan keyin sizga shunaqa gap aytish mumkin. Ammo lekin bir narsani tushuniylar chala mullalar, shahidlikni orzu qilish deganda islom dini uchun uzini qurbob qilish tushuniladi. Yani bu sizni islom diniga predannost ekanligizdan dalolat buladi. Dushmanga qarshi jangda halok bulish emas. Uzini ulimga mahkum qilishni uylaganlar bu g'irt ahmoqlar va fanatlar!

gap shu!

[Martingale]

butun oilam shahid bolishini duo qilaman inshaAllah

hmmm...demak, hammasiga ulim tilarkansiz.
uynab gapirsangam uylab gapir deydi. har bitta gapga farishta omin deydi.
tugri bu gapni islom diniga predennost tufayli aytyotgandirsiz, lekin hamma hudo aytgan kunda uz olamidan utsin. Shahid ketdi deb odatda ulgandan keyin aytiladi, ulmasdan oldin unaqa deyilmaydi.

p.s. har bitta gapga dumalab qoladigan qizni 1nchi marta kurishim.
tagizda ermasmidi ishqilib. :lol:

[Hamitovich]

Shahid bo'lib YASHASH yahshiroq emasmi? Odamlarga yahshilik qilib, daraht ekib...bog' o'stirib. O'lim o'z yo'li bilan keladi. Shahid deganni to'liq tushunmaiman lekin yashashga va insonlarga yahshilik qilishga nima yetsin.

[Black]

Akhee Abdullahni postidan keyin hech qanaqa savollar qolmagan bo'lsa kerak.

Martingale yurtimizdagi qaysi ulamo suicide qilsa bo'ladi degan ekan, shu fatwolarini keltira olasizmi? Nimagadir quruq tuhmatga o'hshab qolayapti.

[Alouddin]

ze riper - if you don't understand anything in what the initiator is talking about then you might be much better off just piping down! your post (http://www.forum.uz/showpost.php?p=451368&postcount=16)suggests that you don't have a clue about it! did Administrator say he wanted to blow himself up anywhere in the thread??? as others have noted, there are certain types of cases when one is considered a shahid when death reaches him/her.

Your example of having oneself blown up only suggests that you are narrow-minded and brain-washed person who is completely unaware of the history of Islam. This very fact alone is sufficient for you for refraining from posting in a suchlike threads.

ihdinas sirotol mustaqeem! amin!

[Alouddin]

Shahid bo'lib YASHASH yahshiroq emasmi? Odamlarga yahshilik qilib, daraht ekib...bog' o'stirib. O'lim o'z yo'li bilan keladi. Shahid deganni to'liq tushunmaiman lekin yashashga va insonlarga yahshilik qilishga nima yetsin. hamitovich, only those who perish in the way of Allah and the cause of Islam are considered shahid. the living ones are named good people :)

[Alouddin]

9 people dream about dieying as a shahid:shock:
i hope you know that to kill oneself is a sin.... and i hope you (will one day :insha: get to) know that becoming a martyr DOES NOT mean dying via suicide...

[Delf]

Killing people never solved any problems.

Religious zealots beleive that by killing other people they are serving greater good. They live in their own dreamworld that has nothing to do with reality. Their life becomes so disconnected from reality and so miserable that death seems to be a paradise for them.

If want to take your life - that is your right, go ahead, but do not take other people's life, because you do not have that right.

Everybody knows who dies under bombs of those "shahids" - it is mainly innocent people, in many cases women and children.

Does everybody here remember "shahids" in Beslan?


You - whomever is dreaming of becoming a "shahid", you do not have a right to take away lives of other people. Always remember that.


Delf.

[Sayyoh]

Delf, i truly wish I could send these words to amereken soldiers in Iraq, to "isroili" soldiers in the occupied lands of palestine...

i wish they could read these "u aint got no right to do so and so" words when they were bombing people with phosphorus bombs...

i wish i could tell ussr's soldiers shooting at german soldiers that Delf has said these beautiful words...

i wish i could convey this message to all the others that YOU are thinking of as continuation of my words...

Delf - you - remember that dreaming to die as a shahid does not necessarily imply taking others' lives away... read...

[Delf]

what a weak person!!!

Bertrand Russel weak person???? :shock:

Man, you would dream about strength, honesty and kindness Bertrand Russel had. Not to mention that he was a scientific genius.

Delf.

[Delf]

Delf - you - remember that dreaming to die as a shahid does not necessarily imply taking others' lives away... read...
Then you should name it the way it should be named: suicide.


Use of force is only necessary if some external enemy has attacked your homeland.

"Shahids" are used by certain groups to achieve their political goals (Dubrovka, Beslan, Tashkent1999 etc).


Delf.

[Uyyonli]

Shaheed bo'lishdan ko'ra Ollohdan Tinchlik istaylik, Tinchlik agar davom etsa, musulmlar safi ko'payadi, Kofirlar Islomni qabul qila boshlaydilar.

Keling aytaylik, Xitoy Atom Bombasi Tashlamoqchi, shu paytda buni aniq bo'lishini bilib qoldik unda, Xitoyni to'xtashga tinchikka chaqirish lozim, agar eishitgisi kelmasi unda Xitoyga yurush qilinsa Agar menga qurol yetmay qolgan taqdirda jangga otlanaman, bilamanki oldinda Olloh yo'lida musulmonlarni himoyasi uchun Jangga ketyabman, va yo'l yo'lakay Ollohdan g'alabni so'rayman, agar yengila boshlasa meni ohiriga kurashaman, JANG MAYDONINI TASHLAMAYMAN, HUDDI QO'QONDAKILARDEK QILICH BILAN BO'SADA OHIRIGACHA TASHLANAMAN, BO'RIDEK TASHLANAMN, OHIRGI QONIM TO'KILGUNCHA, YER TISHLAGUNCHA KURASHAMAN. WA AGAR o'lsam Olloh ko'rib turibdi unga ishongan va bo'y sunganlar uchun, MUSULMON HALQI uchun, vatan uchun shahid qildim. Buni esa hech kim Orzu qilmas. So'nngi yo'l shu shahid.

[Uzbekxonim]

Абу Хурайра розияллоху анхудан ривоят килинади:
«Пайгамбар соллаллоху алайхи васаллам:
«Шахидлар бешдир; вабода ўлган, корин касали билан ўлган, сувга гарк бўлиб ўлган, Йикилган нарсанинг остида колиб ўлган ва Аллохнинг йўлида шахид бўлганлар», дедилар».
Бешовларидан факат Абу Довуд ривоят килмаган.
Ушбу хадиси шарифда Пайгамбаримиз соллаллоху алайхи васаллам «Шахидлар бешдир» деб туриб уларни санамокдалар.

Birinchi to'rttasi tushunarli bo'lsa kerak. Beshinchisiga keyinroq to'htalaman, hozir shoshib turibman.

P.S. Mendan hafa emassiz degan umiddaman.

endu tushunarli .
Aknee-Abdullah #26 postlaridi juda yahshi izoh berdilar. ahamiyat bersangiz thread avtori shahid sozining manosini bunday tushungan (menimcha):


If you mean by "shaheed":

-Suicide bombing in a civilian bus, or slamming planes into Sky Scrapers

-Spreading terrorism and evil

- Looting and killing of Non-believers who are in peace and under protection


ahir bu crazyness bolmasdan nima bolishi mumkin?
shuning uchun kesatib gapirishdan oldin inson nima manoda aytganligini aniqlavolish kerak.

ps. hafa emasman.

[Uzbekxonim]

uzbekhonim sindirdiz lekin.. shahid degani birowni uldirish emas. lol .

sizi eriz sizi himoya ( zashita ruschasi sila tushunadigan til) sizi zashita qilip ulishga tayyor er kere mi yoki qurqoq bolip qochadigan ermi. eriz siz uchun jonini berip olsa shahid buladi. yana etip uti uzini uzi uldirishdan gap ketmayapti. yana tushunmi utirmalaring. lol .


Prezident uchun ulganlar shahid buladi. chunki prezidentni zashita qilp ulvotti. hudo kursatamasin prezidentg abir narsa bulsa notinchliklar foyda buladi va halq davlat katta zarar kuradi. tashqaridan va ichkaridan yemirilib boshlaydi davlat va jamiyat. prezidenti uchun ulgan odam halqi uchun ulgan hisoblanadi. agar kim prezident uchun ulishga tayyor bumasa unda borsin uzoqroq ketvursin ozbekistoından. musulmon inson halqi uchun yashaydigan birow undan zarar kurmaydigan ,osayishtalik va tinchlik posbonidir.

islom dini bizarga mana shuni urgatadi. vohobilarga ushap hamma yoqni yiq uldirni emas.

FREEMAN-aka, Shahid nimaligini juda yahshi bilaman.
threaddi avtori o'zini portlatish/oldirish haqida gapiryapti, bu Islomda man etilgan narsa.

Bazi bilmagan insonlar Allohga ishonaman o'zimni portillatib jihad orqali shahadaga yetaman deb o'zini yoki boshqalarni o'ldirishadi (masalan Palestiniyaliklar). agar kimnidur zashita qilsa albatta u birovni oldirish emas shahada boladi.

[Uzbekxonim]

dumalab tushdim oziyam shu gappi oqibchi:lol:
shahid bolishni istamaganlardan sorasa boladi r u crzy deb

shahid degani sizga ozini oldirishmas Uzbekhonim
yahshiroq search qib koringda topvolas

are you sure that all people voted "yes" know that shahid is not killing himself?

if don't understand what i wrote don't laugh at it, okmi?
and pls read my previous posts in this thread (don't wanna explain it for the 3rd time:rolleyes:)

[Uzbekxonim]

and i hope you (will one day :insha: get to) know that becoming a martyr DOES NOT mean dying via suicide...

it doesn't mean dying by suicide! it means to sacrifice your life to save your close ones or faith. suicide is a sin in Islam! (may be u misunderstood the meaning while reading in arabic, try to read in some other language)

[anatoliydaev]

Okey, I will reffer to Akhee-Abdullah's post.
Definition of a shakheed:
- Someone who sacrificed his life on the battlefield protecting his homeland, raising the flag of "La Ilaha il-Allah" against the agression of the Enemy
Definition of enemy => external agressor. Dreaming to die as shakheed in this case may imply, that a dreamer is dreaming of possibility of such military intervention into his homecountry, which can be described as development of depressive imagination.

- Someone who died while travelling spreading the pure teachings of Islaam in the Ocean drowning, or in the desert with hunger/thirst, or stomach ache or any calamity.
This case is very uncommon in nowadays. With development of transport vehicles, communication system, fast-food industry and rescue services, it is very unlikely that a trevelling teacher of Islaam can die in the Ocean drowning, or in the desert with hunger/thirst, or stomach ache or any calamity. However, even if it is not mentioned here, the air-plane crash is possible with this person on board.
Also not every muslim can become a shakheed in case of dying during trevelling. The necessary condition to become a shakheed in this case is spreading the pure teachings of Islaam at the moment of death.

- A pregnant woman who died of pregnancy complications or a woman who died defending herself agains a rapist
This is without doubt not related to Alloudin, Black and other male forumuz users, because they anatomically cannot die of pregnancy complications. However, they can die defending themselves agains sexual rapists. But the use of word 'herself' in this context means that male users cannot become shakheed while dying from rapists' hands. Then this condition of becoming shakheed fully concerns female forumuz users.

Now if we come to the topic of the thread, which is 'Have you ever dreamed to die as a shakheed?' we can see that the aouthor used the word 'dream'. Now ask yourself three questions:
How many of you have dreamed to die as a shakheed in:
1) battle field knowing that the necessary condition for this is the war in your homecountry?
2) in air-plane crash knowing that the main purpose of taking this plane is not spreading the pure teachings of Islaam?
3) By pregnancy complications or from rapist?

Then why to use word 'Dreaming', when the convinient word for this action is 'willingness'. Then it is understandable that a peson is willing to die:
1) defending his motherland
2) taking a plane to spread the pure teaching of Islam even in zero-zero weather;
3) giving a birth to her child knowing that she may not survive, or defend her honour from raping action even if she may die.

Again referring to Akhee-Abdullah:
-Suicide bombing in a civilian bus, or slamming planes into Sky Scrapers
-Spreading terrorism and evil
- Looting and killing of Non-believers who are in peace and under protection

are not Martyrdom, rather they are prohibited EVIL.

[Asadbek]

Definition of enemy => external agressor.
Enemy can be defined as a INTERNAL too.
Dreaming to die as shakheed in this case may imply, that a dreamer is dreaming of possibility of battle (defining his religion, beliefs..) against his enemies from his homecountry (internal).

[anatoliydaev]

Enemy can be defined as a INTERNAL too.
Dreaming to die as shakheed in this case may imply, that a dreamer is dreaming of possibility of battle (defining his religion, beliefs..) against his enemies from his homecountry (internal).
Yes, it is true, But only in case of aggression of the enemy, so this can be against militsia and SNB guys. :)

But again subject to the fact that:
-Suicide bombing in a civilian bus, or slamming planes into Sky Scrapers
-Spreading terrorism and evil
-Looting and killing of Non-believers who are in peace and under protection
are not Martyrdom, rather they are prohibited EVIL.

[Asadbek]

FREEMAN-aka, Shahid nimaligini juda yahshi bilaman.
threaddi avtori o'zini portlatish/oldirish haqida gapiryapti, bu Islomda man etilgan narsa.
Hurmatli Uzbekxonim,

nima qilasiz Administrator aytmagan gapni "u shunaqa dedi" deb? :rolleyes:
Administrator aytmagan gapni uni kallasiga tiqib qo'yyapsizku...


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men hardoyim sizga orzu qulaman demadim balki goh gohida dedim va yani samalyotga otirib binoni uring yoki avtobusga kirib ozingizni portalating demayapman balkim masalan vataningiz bosqichilar hujumida qolsa shu imkoniyatda foydalanib narigi dunyoga shahid darajasida ketishga harakat qilar edingizmi dedim? Yani o'z-o'zini oddiy fuqurolar orasida portlatishni emas, balkim qurollangan dushmanga qarshi jang maydonida tik yurishni aytyapman halos..

http://www.forum.uz/showpost.php?p=449675&postcount=5

PS: Sizdan yaxshi Qoralovchi chiqadi ekan :)

[Malika]

AAWB
Menimcha, forumdoshlarimiz orasida sal tushunmovchiliklar bo'ldi, lekin oxiri (endi hali chin ma'noda yakunimi yuqmi bilmadim-u, balkim davom etar)harqalay baxayr tugadi bu threadni, xursandman.
Oramizda ba'zi birodarlarimiz dinda birovlarimizdan ustunroq.
O'shalarga katta iltimosim ,biz chala mullalarga sal chidamliroq bo'lib ko'proq shu kabi masalalarda yordaminglarni ayamasanglar juda xursand bo'lardik. keyin qizishmaslikka ham harakat qilinglar. Tushunaman bunaqa masalalarda odam o'z-o'zidan qizishadi. Lekin iymoni baland musulmon juda sabrli bo'ladi.
Oldindan rahmat hammalarizga.
Yordaminglani kutib qolamiz...
Allohdan omonlik tialb
Malika

[The Reaper]

Please...respect people of faith!!! do NOT insult them and their spirituality!!!
I did not insult people of faith, I insulted the moron who is actually dumb enough to wish to die. In fact I never insult you people!
Well, after thinking about it for a second I realized I DO make fun of you and your beliefs. :D


But our worst is better than your best, because he has IYMAN in his heart, a key to Paradise.
I know, a guy who slaughtered children in Beslan is a much better person than I am. :rolleyes:

Here's a message for all you baby-killer, paradise-going types: Just f*cking DIE already, and say hello to your virgins up there!!! People like you are wasting my oxygen!!!

A tak...qarade bola...

Mana bu uchun:

Agar Dinim ma'n etmaganida, kotaningni Sughurib Olib Buyninga Arqon Qilib orardim!!!
Yeah, I love you too. Not in a muslim fundamentalist kind of way of course, if you know what I mean. ;)
Shove your beliefs up you-know-where!!!

Have the best day ever, pumpkin.

TR
The Un-believer
Enemy of religious whackos

[The Reaper]

ze riper - if you don't understand anything in what the initiator is talking about then you might be much better off just piping down! your post (http://www.forum.uz/showpost.php?p=451368&postcount=16)suggests that you don't have a clue about it! did Administrator say he wanted to blow himself up anywhere in the thread??? as others have noted, there are certain types of cases when one is considered a shahid when death reaches him/her.

Your example of having oneself blown up only suggests that you are narrow-minded and brain-washed person who is completely unaware of the history of Islam. This very fact alone is sufficient for you for refraining from posting in a suchlike threads.

ihdinas sirotol mustaqeem! amin!

Not only am I unaware of history of YOUR Ilsam, I honestly don't give a crap about history of your type.
Islam that I personally believe doesn't have anything to do with YOUR little sect. Islam has long been hijacked by illiterate pieces of human scum garbage like you.

You know who you guys are? GOTHS!!! :D
You know, "all black, screw life, let's die" type of folks you are!!
You people are despicable!

TR

[Alouddin]

after the latest piece of post of yours, kindly enlighten me of YOUR type of Islam... what does YOU islam say about martyrdom? :)

ko'raylikchi ze riperlarni Islomi qanday ob'lar ekan...

ON: folks, just for your info:
[Impressing others!]
The first of people against whom judgment will be pronounced on the Day of Resurrection will be a man who died a martyr.
He will be brought and Allah will make known to him His favours and he will recognize them. [The Almighty] will say: And what did you do about them? He will say: I fought for you until I died a martyr. He will say: You have lied - you did but fight that it might be said [of you]: He is courageous. And so it was said. Then he will be ordered to be dragged along on his face until he is cast into Hell-fire.
[Another] will be a man who has studied [religious] knowledge and has taught it and who used to recite the Quran. He will be brought and Allah will make known to his His favours and he will recognize them. [The Almighty] will say: And what did you do about them? He will say: I studied [religious] knowledge and I taught it and I recited the Quran for Your sake. He will say: You have lied - you did but study [religious] knowledge that it might be said [of you]: He is learned. And you recited the Quran that it might be said [of you]: He is a reciter. And so it was said. Then he will be ordered to be dragged along on his face until he is cast into Hell-fire.
[Another] will be a man whom Allah had made rich and to whom He had given all kinds of wealth. He will be brought and Allah will make known to his His favours and he will recognize them. [The Almighty] will say: And what did you do about them? He will say: I left no path [untrodden] in which You like money to be spent without spending in it for Your sake. He will say: You have lied - you did but do so that it might be said [of you]: He is open-handed. And so it was said. Then he will be ordered to be dragged along on his face until he is cast into Hell-fire.
It was related by Muslim (also by at-Tirmidhi and an-Nasa'i).
Text copied from Al-Nasir's Hadith Qudsi Software v1.0, www.DivineIslam.com (http://www.DivineIslam.com)
**********
niyat sog'lom bo'lsin asosiysi :)

[The Reaper]

Yes, it is true, But only in case of aggression of the enemy, so this can be against militsia and SNB guys. :)


That's why Administrator should go outside, wave the green flag, and scream Allahu akbar, all in front of the SNB HQ. You know, shaheed type action.

But there's one little thing he's missing - BALLS!! :D

TR

[Yaxshibola]

Savol, agar yo'lda moshin urib ketsade bir kishini, u o'lib qosa, u shahid bo'ladimi yo'mi raxmat javobila uchun.

[The Reaper]

after the latest piece of post of yours, kindly enlighten me of YOUR type of Islam... what does YOU islam say about martyrdom? :)

My type of Islam is not as sophisticated as yours. It doesn't have things such as martyrs, infidels, clerics, and all the other perks you have in your little sect.

My type of Islam has:
1) Do not kill, harm or maim those who do not have ill will towards you or your loved ones.
2) Do not steal.
3) Help and protect those in need.
4) Cherish the environment (flora and fauna).
5) Enjoy life to the fullest. Cherish every moment.

TR

[Alouddin]

ze riper: just fyi: my little sect has over 1bn ppl in it..

[The Reaper]

ze riper: just fyi: my little sect has over 1bn ppl in it..

NO!
YOUR little sect is the one which condones terrorism, deaths of innocents, beheadings, stonings of women, banning television and all other medieval sick sh*t. You guys are a disgrace to all real Muslims.

You believe you bring goodness and the word of God, but I believe you guys have a severe mental disorder. Start taking your pills already, instead of shoving your paranoia down others' throats!!

I want to believe that not all Muslims are as ignorant and barbaric as you. I know of plenty who are not.

TR

[Asadbek]

...
Here's a message for all you baby-killer, paradise-going types: Just f*cking DIE already, and say hello to your virgins up there!!!
--WARNED--

[Uzbekxonim]

Hurmatli Uzbekxonim,

nima qilasiz Administrator aytmagan gapni "u shunaqa dedi" deb? :rolleyes:
Administrator aytmagan gapni uni kallasiga tiqib qo'yyapsizku...



just imagine that US army(or chinese,russian,etc..) is invading our country so wuold u like to became like one of shahids of Badr battle and go to front line and and pray "god make me shahid" and after that run to battlegroundto die ...?

shu postni oqib shunday tushundim, balkim misunderstandchilik boldi, uzr.

[The Reaper]

--WARNED--

OK then.

You tell me how to properly express your feelings towards baby-killers of Beslan and their apologists, and I'll hold my horses.
I don't think these people deserve any sort of remorse or political correctness even on a message board. But again, that's just me.

TR

[Black]

C'mon guys, do not take Ze ripper seriouse. He is just fooling around. Otherwise how could he accuse us Muslims on what we are against for?! That's clearly indicates one of two: Either his insanity, because of it he can not read and comprehend that we are against killing innocent ppl and babies, OR his ignorance and arrogance, because of that he is ignoring what we said in previous posts. In any case he is just he reliving off his stress by talking nonsense here. Don't pay attention to him, because Rasulillah :saws: told us: Leave the stupid. He also ordered not to debate with such ppl. His cure is to learn to listen to others, but if he himself can not learn it, then no one can help him.
Allah says: No one can misguide the one whom I guided to the right path and no one can guide to the right path the one whom I Led astray. So clearly we can not help this guy. He is in helpless situation. We can just pray for him that the Creator show him the right path. I pray for him.

[anatoliydaev]

That's why Administrator should go outside, wave the green flag, and scream Allahu akbar, all in front of the SNB HQ. You know, shaheed type action.

But there's one little thing he's missing - BALLS!! :D

TR

True... True... True...
That's why it is called "Dreaming to Die". It is like impotent's dream of a physical act of love, i.e. coitus. :)

[Akhee-Abdullah]

NO!
YOUR little sect is the one which condones terrorism, deaths of innocents, beheadings, stonings of women, banning television and all other medieval sick sh*t.

TR

Come on...how can you say this!!! We have been talking about this evil of extremism and terrorism all along here Prohibition of Suicide bombing, hijacking, and other acts of Terrorism in Islaam (http://www.forum.uz/showthread.php?t=30281) and here This is how Islaam fights Terrorism (http://www.forum.uz/showthread.php?t=26524)

Give us some credit!!!

As I mentioned earlier...yes we do have Morons, as you guys have. But at least you should acknowledge the majority, and where they stand. Please do not misunderstand me.

Beslan - was an example of real act of terrorism. And genocide by Russian Forces in Ichkeria is far worse And we pray Allah subhanahu ta'la that justice be established against perpetrators, particularly Sh.Basayev, and those who started the war, big criminals Tovarish Yeltsin and Putin.

However, it does not stop us from praising Chechen people's struggle for Independence, and Respecting Territorial Integrity of Ichkeria.

Russian Forces...have done equally evil, often not reported...we have discussed this topic before in Общий Форум - Umumiy Sahifa. If you care you may read "Bespredel"-War Has No Rules for Russian Forces Battling Chechen Rebels (http://www.forum.uz/showthread.php?t=23114)

It is Off-topic....I wanted to show you that majority in this forum...do NOT subscribe to the "militant muslim" groups and activities.

[Asadbek]

OK then.

You tell me how to properly express your feelings towards baby-killers of Beslan and their apologists, and I'll hold my horses.
I don't think these people deserve any sort of remorse or political correctness even on a message board. But again, that's just me.

TRThe Reaper,
man Akhee-Abdullahning yoki Forumdagi boshqalarning Beslandagilarga o'xshab maktab o'quvchilarini garovga olib, ularni bomba bilan o'rab qo'yganini ko'rmadim,
yoki o'sha Beslandagilarning qilmishlarini oqlab chiqqanlarini,
yoki o'sha kabi harakatlar takrorlansin, deb targ'ib qilganlarini Forumning hech qayerida uchratmadim.

Agar sizda ularning Forumda shunaqa fikr tarqatganliklariga isbot bo'lsa, marhamat!

tell me how to properly express your feelings towards baby-killers of BeslanHar qalay, Beslandagi voqealarga umuman aloqasi bo'lmagan Forumdoshlarga zahringizni sochmaganingiz ma'qul.

[Martingale]

That's why Administrator should go outside, wave the green flag, and scream Allahu akbar, all in front of the SNB HQ. You know, shaheed type action.

But there's one little thing he's missing - BALLS!! :D

TR

are you kind of showing off your english here?

blah blah blah..just express your opinion like a normal human being...against? say that! why to get overexcited? :rolleyes:

[Black]

shu postni oqib shunday tushundim, balkim misunderstandchilik boldi, uzr.

Uzbekhonim agar siz Badr jangi haqida bilganingizda edi, bunaqa fikrga bormas edingiz. Shuning uchun biror narsaga fikr bildirganda shoshmang. Badr jangida hech kim suicide qilmagan. Bu jang haqida o'qib chiqing. Bir narsa aytishim mumkin bu jang haqida: Badrdan 300 tadan sal ko'proq musulmon 1000 dan ko'p mushrik bilan jang qilishadi va g'olib bo'lishadi. Ana shu jangda o'lganlar haqiqiy shahidlardir. O'zidan ber necha chandon ortiq dushmandan qo'rqmasdan jang maydoniga otilib kirgan musulmonlarga havas qilgan odamni crazy deyish to'g'ri bo'lmasa kerak har holda. Bu jang haqiqiy qahramonlik namunasidir. Agar musulmonlarda ana o'sha jangdagi ko'rsatilgan mardlikning o'ndan biri bo'lganida edi...... Ehhh. Islom dushmanlarini tug'ulganlariga pushaymon qildirishardi. Afsus unaqa emasmiz hozir. Ming afsus....

[Black]

Killing people never solved any problems.

Religious zealots beleive that by killing other people they are serving greater good. They live in their own dreamworld that has nothing to do with reality. Their life becomes so disconnected from reality and so miserable that death seems to be a paradise for them.

If want to take your life - that is your right, go ahead, but do not take other people's life, because you do not have that right.

Everybody knows who dies under bombs of those "shahids" - it is mainly innocent people, in many cases women and children.

Does everybody here remember "shahids" in Beslan?


You - whomever is dreaming of becoming a "shahid", you do not have a right to take away lives of other people. Always remember that.


Delf.

Delf, even though I do not agree with you in most cases I respected you because you first used to read what your opponents are saying. I just was thinking to tell Ze Ripper to take an example from Delf, even he does not agree with us, he does not accuse us on what we did not do or said. But I see that you've taken his example. Mdeeee. I thought you are an opponent worthy enough to discuss something to find out where the truth lies. But you too turned you face towards ignorance and disrespect.
Read all posts from the beginning and you'll find out what we are talking about. I hope you are not ignorant enough or lazy enough to read te thread from beginning.

[Maroon]

Martingale: envy is a sin. :lol:

Asadbek: Glaza est'? Odamlaga warning bershizdan oldin yahshilab boshqa userlarni ham postlarni oqing, hop mi?

This forum has turned into some sh*thole. THIS TOPIC SHOULD BE CLOSED AND DELETED. You people close topics which would not even harm the tiniest living being on the planet earth, but don't do it when it comes to VIOLENT TOPICS!

[Administrator]

threaddi avtori o'zini portlatish/oldirish haqida gapiryapti, bu Islomda man etilgan narsa.

yoq yanglishasiz threadinig avtori bunaqa demoqchi emas,yahshilab oqib korin.1 - dan men umuman shahidlik haqida gapirdim yani bu yerga kasal va avbolardan olish ham kiradi
2 - dan janga maydoni deganda yani oddiy fuqorolarga tola bolgan avtobus ichida ozini portlatishni emas ammo jang maydonida vataningizni himoyasi
uchun kurashda shahid bolishni aytdim,

[Asadbek]

Asadbek: Glaza est'? Odamlaga warning bershizdan oldin yahshilab boshqa userlarni ham postlarni oqing, hop mi?
Hurmatli Mrs. Reaper!
Boshqa userlar kelib odamlarni o'zidan-o'zi "baby-killer, paradise going types" deb haqorat qilishgani yo'q.

Noo'rin joyda kelib aralashmasangiz yaxshi bo'lardi.

[Martingale]

Martingale: envy is a sin. :lol:


hmmm...envy?:rolleyes: are you sure you used the right word? if I envy someone's english, the reaper would be the last person on the list.:lol:
I don't need to learn swearing by the way....nor I need to use swearing words here among uzbeks.

I'd rather talk ebonics with my black friends.:cool:

no hard feelings,;)

[Alouddin]

This forum has turned into some sh*thole. in such a case you are more than free and welcome to keep away as you have successfully been doing lately ;)
THIS TOPIC SHOULD BE CLOSED AND DELETED. thanks for help - we'll look into the proposal


You people close topics which would not even harm the tiniest living being on the planet earth, but don't do it when it comes to VIOLENT TOPICS!
Indicate the source of violence in this thread, plz...

[The Reaper]

are you kind of showing off your english here?

blah blah blah..just express your opinion like a normal human being...against? say that! why to get overexcited? :rolleyes:

Only an idiot with an IQ south of 10 would think I need some self-assertion by talking in English on a message board. Apparently, you are among them.

TR

[The Reaper]

Back to the topic:

My problem with your sect is the very fact you people celebrate death. If that's what you think is your ultimate purpose - dying for some ridiculous idea, then you need to visit a mental health counselor.
I remember the cases of mass suicide by members of sects. They all had similar ideas and reasons.

Tell me why are YOU different from them?

Why not celebrate life? I'm sure God would appreciate it much more. Of course, that's less drama, right right?

TR

[lost]

Back to the topic:

My problem with your sect is the very fact you people celebrate death. If that's what you think is your ultimate purpose - dying for some ridiculous idea, then you need to visit a mental health counselor.
I remember the cases of mass suicide by members of sects. They all had similar ideas and reasons.

Tell me why are YOU different from them?

Why not celebrate life? I'm sure God would appreciate it much more. Of course, that's less drama, right right?

TR
Raped, don't play a word game.
Just get my nick:cool:

[elDoraDo]

"Tahoratli holda uxlagan inson shu kecha o'lsa, shahid hisoblanadi"

Bu ham kiradimi umumiy shahidlikka?

[Black]

"Tahoratli holda uxlagan inson shu kecha o'lsa, shahid hisoblanadi"

Bu ham kiradimi umumiy shahidlikka?
Agar bu gap sahih manbaalarda kelgan bo'lsa, Albatta! kiradi. Agar sahih bo'lmasa bilmadim.

[The Reaper]

Raped, don't play a word game.
Just get my nick:cool:

Huh??
Engrish please.

Raped? Yeah, I was being brain-raped by a thing called "common sense" to the point were I pulled out religion out of my head, and flushed it you-know-where.

TR

[Lady_G]

:laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
manbu ohirgi ikkita post o'ldiradi mani(lost va The Reaperniki) :lol:

Engrish mushaaa :lool:

Hullas manimcha yahshisi hechkim boshqani fikrini o'zgartirishga urinmasin, bildirsin albatta o'z fikrini, lek boshqanikiniyam hurmat qisin!

Hayot go'zal :)

[The Reaper]

in such a case you are more than free and welcome to keep away as you have successfully been doing lately ;)


You know, I tend to put away my 10 ft. pole sometimes, and actually touch this section of the forum, but my other half is a bit more hesitant.
You know, her tolerance for this many degenerates, all in one place, is a little lower than mine nowadays. :D

TR

[Maroon]

I'd rather talk ebonics with my black friends.:cool:

no hard feelings,;)

Are you one of those I wannabees?

What do you call 'em...? Oh yeah, "wiggers"! :lol:

In your case, an "Uzigger" :lol:

Have a nice day. :)

[Black]

Huh??
Engrish please.

Raped? Yeah, I was being brain-raped by a thing called "common sense" to the point were I pulled out religion out of my head, and flushed it you-know-where.

TR
Well, according to your behaviour your were not brain raped by a thing called "common sense" but rather by a thing called "xenofobia" which comes out from TV, papers and etc., mass media and still continuing raping of your brain. If you brain had something common with a thing called "common sense" you would have said some sensefull words after reading your opponents posts, instead of jumping on people with your intolerant, xenophobic and baseless accusiations without reading and thinking of what people write.
If you indeed pulled out religion out of your head you would not bothered with something posted in religion board. But instead, I think, you pulled out logic and tolerance from you xenophobic "raped" brain and flushed it you-know-where (just by looking at the picture in your profile, one can easily see how much you are brain raped by xenophobia and intolerance) .

Also, about celebrating death, just look at you avatar and you'll see who is doing that.

[The Reaper]

Well, according to your behaviour your were not brain raped by a thing called "common sense" but rather by a thing called "xenofobia" which comes out from TV, papers and etc., mass media and still continuing raping of your brain. If you brain had something common with a thing called "common sense" you would have said some sensefull words after reading your opponents posts, instead of jumping on people with your intolerant, xenophobic and baseless accusiations without reading and thinking of what people write.

Xenophobia? If not tolerating intolerance is considered xenophobia nowadays, then YES, I'm xenophobic to extreme.

I'm against putting women in burqas. I'm against stoning and beheading people. I'm against your Islamo-fascism towards Jews, sexual minorities and people who don't share your views. Bottomline is, I'm against your ideology of hatred and intolerance.

If you indeed pulled out religion out of your head you would not bothered with something posted in religion board.

If I somehow manage to make at least ONE reader question your sect, I consider it all worthwhile.

But instead, I think, you pulled out logic and tolerance from you xenophobic "raped" brain and flushed it you-know-where (just by looking at the picture in your profile, one can easily see how much you are brain raped by xenophobia and intolerance) .

Intolerance? Are you kidding me!?
I don't know what bothers me more, the sheer amount of bigotry in this section of the board, or the fact that you blindly accuse others of intolerance.
And BTW, that profile picture is beautiful isn't it? :D

Also, about celebrating death, just look at you avatar and you'll see who is doing that.

Yeah, ain't that heart-breaking? I guess you agree with me that you people DO celebrate death?

Anyways, I sometimes wonder if you people actually believe what you say. Sometimes, what you say here is beyond outlandish, it's pure psychopathy.
Several of your members have "On my way to paradise, Insha Allah" written in the "Location" field. I mean, come on!! Are you guys nuts!? Is this "I Wanna Die" fest?
Here's one thing I know for sure, you don't know diddly squat about paradise or hell, or what happens to us after we die!

The only real thing is life itself, and that's a fact. If you can't grasp this concept, and choose to live awaiting your death, then you ARE a psychopath.

TR

[Alouddin]

If I somehow manage to make at least ONE reader question your sect, I consider it all worthwhile.

TR aha va uni oti ze riper...

[Black]

Xenophobia? If not tolerating intolerance is considered xenophobia nowadays, then YES, I'm xenophobic to extreme.
Do not try to play word games. You are xenophobic to Islam, nothing else.

I'm against putting women in burqas. I'm against stoning and beheading people. I'm against your Islamo-fascism towards Jews, sexual minorities and people who don't share your views. Bottomline is, I'm against your ideology of hatred and intolerance.
If women want it themselves. do you against them as well?! Can you prove from my posts of my ideology of hatred and intolerance? No you can not, you can never prove that. If you are indeed a person of word, a man who can stand for what he says then prove your words. Otherwise you a liar and moron. I ask moderators to warn you for your baseless accusiations. No I am not offended of your words. I see such irresponsible, brainless morons always, and I don't give ***t for such words, but for the respect of forum rules, and for the respect of law abiding people I ask moderators to warn you. If you get today unpunished for your words, it will be unjustice towards others who get warnings and bans for lesser offences. You are insulting both my belief and personality.

If I somehow manage to make at least ONE reader question your sect, I consider it all worthwhile.
Your words about someone's (whoever opposes to your wierd blah blah) sect
are just nonsense baseless crap. You neither understand the meaning of the word sect and can prove that somebody here belong to some sect that you like to repeat the whole day.

Intolerance? Are you kidding me!?
I don't know what bothers me more, the sheer amount of bigotry in this section of the board, or the fact that you blindly accuse others of intolerance.
Your words are the clear proof to your intolerance to the people who think different from you. Another example (to your intolerance) you make fun of people who peacefully demonstrate demanding their rights, calling them idiots and being proud of it.
And BTW, that profile picture is beautiful isn't it? :D
Do you people need any more proofs?
Russians have a good saying: "Smeyotsa tot kto smeyotsa posledniy."
We will see Inshallah who is going laugh at the end of the day.


Yeah, ain't that heart-breaking? I guess you agree with me that you people DO celebrate death?


Anyways, I sometimes wonder if you people actually believe what you say. Sometimes, what you say here is beyond outlandish, it's pure psychopathy.
Several of your members have "On my way to paradise, Insha Allah" written in the "Location" field. I mean, come on!! Are you guys nuts!? Is this "I Wanna Die" fest?
I never thought that you have a problem with English, well as I mentioned before you pulled out logic from your brain and above statement is clear proof of that.
Here's one thing I know for sure, you don't know diddly squat about paradise or hell, or what happens to us after we die!

The only real thing is life itself, and that's a fact. If you can't grasp this concept, and choose to live awaiting your death, then you ARE a psychopath.

We Uzbeks say "Jo'jani kuzda sanashadi". So we gonna see who is psychopath and who is not at the end of the day.

I ask Allah to guide you to the Right Path, so that you could have a rest from your hysterics.

Take a deep breath man.....

[lost]

:laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
manbu ohirgi ikkita post o'ldiradi mani(lost va The Reaperniki) :lol:

Engrish mushaaa :lool:

Hullas manimcha yahshisi hechkim boshqani fikrini o'zgartirishga urinmasin, bildirsin albatta o'z fikrini, lek boshqanikiniyam hurmat qisin!

Hayot go'zal :)

Xonim,
hurmat qilishlari uchun hurmatga sazovor bo'lish kerak (c),
birovlarni aybsiz haqorat qilgan firkrni hurmat qilisni taklif qilishingizni o'zi eng engil qilib aytganda noto'g'ridir.

go'zl hayotingiz davom etaversin :)

Black, just ignore him. Life is too short to argue with an ignorant.
"Assalamu alayka" deyish bizga buyurilgan :)

lost

[infolife]

odamdiyam odami bor
endi odam gapiryabdi deb hamma narsani hurmat qilorsa, yaqinda butun jamiyat buziladi

ana gay marriageni himoya qilib british parlament passed the law recently
birinchi gay marriage Shotlandiyada qonunan 2 yigit nikohdan otdi. shu pikrni 1000lab odamlar aytib chiqqani uchun hurmat qilish keremi:rolleyes:
ha unga notogri narsa ekanini kim uqdiradi

Tolerance-kim bilgan qandini yesa yesin deb indamay turish deganimas

on:dieing as a shaheed...... is always in my duas

[Lady_G]

no off-topic posts plz

[lost]

Who lets de dogsz aut??!! : )
Who ? who? who who ?:lool: :lool:
:bigdance:
:music: :music: :super: :super:
this post made my day :)


Ps: Lady G, noto'g'ri info olgansiz/tushungansiz. BTW, tilponim o'zgargan :(

[The Reaper]

Who unleashed this pig?!

Who let de dogsz aut??!! : )

Guard, lock him up in a cellar where IT belongs...!!!

Put a sign on door from now on : "MAD-DOG"

Ahh, a good ol' holy than thou bullsh*t disappearing as soon as someone hits a nerve. :D LMAO

TR

[Aziz]

Back to the topic:

My problem with your sect is the very fact you people celebrate death. If that's what you think is your ultimate purpose - dying for some ridiculous idea, then you need to visit a mental health counselor.
I remember the cases of mass suicide by members of sects. They all had similar ideas and reasons.

Tell me why are YOU different from them?

Why not celebrate life? I'm sure God would appreciate it much more. Of course, that's less drama, right right?

TR

We are not wishing or asking for death.
Our Prophet taught us to say, if we were really disperate of life,"Oh God keep me alive as long as it is good for me, and take my soul if life was bad for me".
We are discussing the way of death. In what situation you will be dead.

TR: You mensioned alot about people wanting to die should go to doctors, I think same thing applies for people with the habit of cursing people all the time.

[The Reaper]

We are not wishing or asking for death.
Our Prophet taught us to say, if we were really disperate of life,"Oh God keep me alive as long as it is good for me, and take my soul if life was bad for me".
We are discussing the way of death. In what situation you will be dead.

Doesn't change anything. Discussing the way of death? Isn't it ridiculous to discuss the way you gonna die or under what circumstances?

TR: You mensioned alot about people wanting to die should go to doctors, I think same thing applies for people with the habit of cursing people all the time.

I went to a doctor couple of times, but they said my state is permanent, and they said the only thing I have to do is find those whom I dislike and psychologically abuse them. :D

TR

[Aziz]

Doesn't change anything. Discussing the way of death? Isn't it ridiculous to discuss the way you gonna die or under what circumstances?
TR


I don't think it makes a difference for you, becasue you don't have a religion. It makes a difference for me and many others. I don't want to die with a glass of whine in my hand, I don't want to die while I'm doing something bad or wrong. I believe that it makes a difference for me in the hereafter. So if you don't believe in what I and my brothers believe in, please leave us with our wishes in peace.

[Aziz]

Bertrand Russel weak person???? :shock:

Man, you would dream about strength, honesty and kindness Bertrand Russel had. Not to mention that he was a scientific genius.

Delf.


then I think I have to say...what a weak belief.

[SmIlIk]

Doesn't change anything. Discussing the way of death? Isn't it ridiculous to discuss the way you gonna die or under what circumstances?



I went to a doctor couple of times, but they said my state is permanent, and they said the only thing I have to do is find those whom I dislike and psychologically abuse them. :D

TR


Why do you even care? IF a person dreams to die in a certain way, hey, and if he can do it, snap cup full of snaps for him.

What's up with your attitude, man? You should stop insulting beliefs of other people BIG TIME. Clearly your definition of Shaheed is a lot different than what it really means. For once forget about Israel, War, and violence.

P.S. I dream of leaving this world in peace and I prefer a sudden death. I dont give flying thing if any of you think that I am a nut job. MY life, MY death, MY dream...

[StU]

Pochemu zakrili topic pro bezobidnih metrosexualov, a etu temu do sih por musolyat????

Gde moderatori?

[SmIlIk]

Pochemu zakrili topic pro bezobidnih metrosexualov, a etu tupeyshuu temu do sih por musolyat????

Gde moderatori?

Studentin, dlya kogo tupeyshaya, dlya kogo net. Apperently, there are people who prefer to die as a shaheed but I do not see much metrosexuals around :lol:

[StU]

Studentin, dlya kogo tupeyshaya, dlya kogo net. Apperently, there are people who prefer to die as a shaheed but I do not see much metrosexuals around :lol:


ti prava - pohoje nashemu narodu shahidi blije po dushe chem metrosexuali.

[Globaluz]

Totally agree with Studentin about Metrosexual's topic, it was becoming more interesting with Smilik's top expressions, moders just stopped it.

Pochemu zakrili topic pro bezobidnih metrosexualov, a etu tupeyshuu temu do sih por musolyat????

Gde moderatori?

[Alouddin]

Studentin, a pochemu eto Vy reshili zdes "izlit zlobu (?)" ?:)

p/s i voobshe, blije k teme...

[StU]

Studentin, a pochemu eto Vy reshili zdes "izlit zlobu (?)" ?:)

p/s i voobshe, blije k teme...

chto znachit "izlit zlobu"????? A vi schitaete eto normalno, chto na nashem forume civilizovannie ludi obsujdayut suicidalnie naklonnosti drug druga?
Ne hochu nikogo osujdati uj tem bolee zatragivat chyi-to religioznie ubejdeniya, no eto uje slishkom :rolleyes:.

[Asadbek]

chto znachit "izlit zlobu"????? A vi schitaete eto normalno, chto na nashem forume civilizovannie ludi obsujdayut suicidalnie naklonnosti drug druga?
Ne hochu nikogo osujdati uj tem bolee zatragivat chyi-to religioznie ubejdeniya, no eto uje slishkom :rolleyes:.
Studentin,

O'lim - shu forumdagi har bir insonni boshiga bir kun kelib tushadigan narsa.
Metrojinslilikdan esa xudo saqlasin :)

Sizlar shahid so'zini Yevropaliklar ta'riflari bilan tushunmaslikka harakat qiling!

[SmIlIk]

chto znachit "izlit zlobu"????? A vi schitaete eto normalno, chto na nashem forume civilizovannie ludi obsujdayut suicidalnie naklonnosti drug druga?
Ne hochu nikogo osujdati uj tem bolee zatragivat chyi-to religioznie ubejdeniya, no eto uje slishkom :rolleyes:.

Studentin, 'shaheed' eto ne znachit suicider. Smells like obvious misconception empowered by Western Media and "pseudo shaheeds". If you go back and read posts of Akhee-Abdullah you probably will have some better idea about shaheeds.

Slishkom - eto kogda lyudi pozvolyayut sebe osuzhdat' drugih kogda u samih rilo v puhu ili osobenno kogda sami nichego pro temu neznayut.

[StU]

Studentin, 'shaheed' eto ne znachit suicider. Smells like obvious misconception empowered by Western Media and "pseudo shaheeds". If you go back and read posts of Akhee-Abdullah you probably will have some better idea about shaheeds.

Slishkom - eto kogda lyudi pozvolyayut sebe osuzhdat' drugih kogda u samih rilo v puhu ili osobenno kogda sami nichego pro temu neznayut.

pro "rilo v puhu" eto sovsem uje grubo, i uj tem bolee ne nado tikat nosom v chujuu neprosveshennost - nekulturno kak to poluchaetsa.
Eshe raz povtoryau, chto nikogo ne osujdayu i ne sobiraus sporit po etoi teme, tak kak ne vladeyu eyu i ne interisuus. Moe zamechanie bilo po povodu drugogo threada. Tot fakt, chto moderatori v etoi teme razbirayutsa luchshe (favorizuruut) chem v drugoi ne mojet slujit pricihnoi dlya zakritiya ee.

[Asadbek]

...
Eshe raz povtoryau, chto nikogo ne osujdayu i ne sobiraus sporit po etoi teme, tak kak ne vladeyu eyu i ne interisuus.
...
Ochen interesno :)


a etu tupeyshuu temu do sih por musolyat????

Ha mayli, qizishmangizlar. Bu yerda mavzudan chetga chiqib ketildi...

[StU]

Ochen interesno :)



Ha mayli, qizishmangizlar. Bu yerda mavzudan chetga chiqib ketildi...


now edited my emotional expressions. But anyway it seems the moderators have sometimes problems with objective censor monitoring.

[Globaluz]

Studentin, the reason why this thread is still open we have different moderatos for each board, and it's Alloudin's power area not eldorado.:) that way the thread bout Metrosexuals is already closed and this is open. Kazhdiy moder deystvuet, prinimaet resheniya po svoemu (zakrivat' ili ostavit' otkritym), etalona pri vybore resheniya net.

[SmIlIk]

pro "rilo v puhu" eto sovsem uje grubo, i uj tem bolee ne nado tikat nosom v chujuu neprosveshennost - nekulturno kak to poluchaetsa.
Eshe raz povtoryau, chto nikogo ne osujdayu i ne sobiraus sporit po etoi teme, tak kak ne vladeyu eyu i ne interisuus. Moe zamechanie bilo po povodu drugogo threada. Tot fakt, chto moderatori v etoi teme razbirayutsa luchshe (favorizuruut) chem v drugoi ne mojet slujit pricihnoi dlya zakritiya ee.

Studentin, ya ne v koem sluchae ne sobiralas' vas oskoblyat'. Neznanie togo ili inogo voprosa, eto ne vina; there is always room for improvement. Ya prosto skazala chto Akhee postil horoshie posti pro shaheedov i mozhno mnogo chego uznat' pro nastoyashiy martyrdom.

No, vse taki, posmeyu zametit' chto, govorit' "na nashem forume civilizovannie ludi obsujdayut suicidalnie naklonnosti drug druga", tozhe ne sovsem kul'turno.

[referee]

I have not responded to the question before, partially because it sounded sad and silly to me.
It is sad that some Muslims can even consider choosing an easy way out from difficult situations. So many are so desperate that they feel that dying as shahid is a solution or a means to the solution. It can never be a solution, it's only a tool in the hands of desperate. Muslims should have more faith to carry on the mission, which has become hard to implement. The pressure can either make better of you or find worse in you...

It is silly because We should be strong and carry on doing what we are meant to do even if there are some real challenges ahead. The real shahid is the one that chooses a long fight of life to do good and to reject evil. I would expect from our brightest and most skilled people, such as our forum users, to grow as Muslims, develop and educate and make a real contribution to the long fight of making the Umma faithful, prosperous, and exemplary - just the way that the Prophet would want us to become... This dream can't happen if our smart, educated, skilled generation will choose another "dream to die as shahid"...

[Maroon]

Pochemu zakrili topic pro bezobidnih metrosexualov, a etu temu do sih por musolyat????

Gde moderatori?

I will tell you why. Because death is sexier. :lol:

This forum lacks objectivity.

MegaZ it is time to turn this forum into forum.islam.uz or maybe you should change moderators in most of the boards and put more people with rational thinking and who do not close every topic which they personally find offending to their "values".

The problem in this forum is that once someone mentions religion as their basis it is automatically assumed they hold higher ground than those who disagree. Not only do I find it stupid but I find it counter-productive to this forum.

[Maroon]

Studentin, 'shaheed' eto ne znachit suicider. Smells like obvious misconception empowered by Western Media and "pseudo shaheeds". If you go back and read posts of Akhee-Abdullah you probably will have some better idea about shaheeds.

Slishkom - eto kogda lyudi pozvolyayut sebe osuzhdat' drugih kogda u samih rilo v puhu ili osobenno kogda sami nichego pro temu neznayut.

Could you define "western media" ( apart from "Real time with Bill Maher", one your favourite shows (http://forum.arbuz.com/showpost.php?p=413641&postcount=17) of course who happens to think that religion is a "neurogical disorder")? :lol: I guess you don't have a lot in common with a thing called "consistency".

[XXL]

I will tell you why. Because death is sexier. :lol:

This forum lacks objectivity.

MegaZ it is time to turn this forum into forum.islam.uz or maybe you should change moderators in most of the boards and put more people with rational thinking and who do not close every topic which they personally find offending to their "values".

The problem in this forum is that once someone mentions religion as their basis it is automatically assumed they hold higher ground than those who disagree. Not only do I find it stupid but I find it counter-productive to this forum. nichego ne nado delat,

vo oboih sluchayesh , nichego polojitelnogo ne viju.

1. esli ubrat ili oslabit ottenok musulmanstva i "ozbekchilik " iz
nashego foruma to eto postepenno obratita v poshlyachnuy i frivolnyu musornyu yamu, kuda mojno i bumagi nenujniye kidai t i plevatsa odnovremnno na to ona i musorka.

2. esli usilit chertu, delat vsyo na religoznoy pochve, eto toje nehorosho, nado delat bollee demokratichney, i postepenno, pomogat lyudyam dat ponyat chto Islam- eto to chto pomojet cheloveku ponayt samogo sebya, i ponyat zachem on poyavilsa v etot mir.


Tak chto, ne nado nichego menyat, vsyo pod kontrolem, a komu ne nravitsa mogut prosto ne uchastvovat, a bit prosto zritelyami ,esli im konechno eto nado, i k tomu je takih buntarey schittanoye kolichestvo, zdes

Nichego lichnogo i no offence

PS: mojete ne utrujdat Sebya, otvechaya na etot post, Ya viskazal svoyo mneniye i vsyo na etom;)

[SmIlIk]

I will tell you why. Because death is sexier. :lol:

This forum lacks objectivity.

MegaZ it is time to turn this forum into forum.islam.uz or maybe you should change moderators in most of the boards and put more people with rational thinking and who do not close every topic which they personally find offending to their "values".

The problem in this forum is that once someone mentions religion as their basis it is automatically assumed they hold higher ground than those who disagree. Not only do I find it stupid but I find it counter-productive to this forum.

This is "Din va Madaniyat" corner. Everything is in a right place.

I watch Bill Maher; I dont worship him, honey. Before you google Bill Maher next time, try to watch couple of his shows, pls.

[The Reaper]

Why do you even care? IF a person dreams to die in a certain way, hey, and if he can do it, snap cup full of snaps for him.

What's up with your attitude, man? You should stop insulting beliefs of other people BIG TIME. Clearly your definition of Shaheed is a lot different than what it really means. For once forget about Israel, War, and violence.

No! I will not stop insulting beliefs of some morons who think they are carriers of the ultimate truth. In fact, I, as a reasonable human being reserve the right to question, and/or offend intellectual capacity, personal life, and judgement of people in concern. So as far as I'm concerned, they should put their words where their money is, and kindly go choke themselves. :D

TR

[SmIlIk]

No! I will not stop insulting beliefs of some morons who think they are carriers of the ultimate truth. In fact, I, as a reasonable human being reserve the right to question, and/or offend intellectual capacity, personal life, and judgement of people in concern. So as far as I'm concerned, they should put their words where their money is, and kindly go choke themselves. :D

TR

This discussion is about Shaheeds; but again, if by any chance, YOU think you are the carrier of ultimate truth, believe me, I care less.

Who are they? All I see right now is number of forum users discussing and expressing their thoughts.

[lost]

No! I will not stop insulting beliefs of some...
... morons...
How stupid you are...:x

[Maroon]

This is "Din va Madaniyat" corner. Everything is in a right place.

I watch Bill Maher; I dont worship him, honey. Before you google Bill Maher next time, try to watch couple of his shows, pls.

Aaah, let me check out my dvd stash.... "I'm swiss".... "Victory begins at home" ...guess honey who is on there? You are the winner! It's Bill Maher. Oh, just in case you miss his shows when you are away from the Great Satan, go to: http://www.safesearching.com/billmaher/transcripts/ and please check out "FISHBOWL with BILL MAHER" on amazon.com. Having a husband who knows him since his times at comedy central I DO KNOW SOME THINGS ABOUT HIM. :lol:

Oh yeah, this is Religion and Culture. Not Islam and Islamic culture.

[SmIlIk]

Aaah, let me check out my dvd stash.... "I'm swiss".... "Victory begins at home" ...guess honey who is on there? You are the winner! It's Bill Maher. Oh, just in case you miss his shows when you are away from the Great Satan, go to: http://www.safesearching.com/billmaher/transcripts/ and please check out "FISHBOWL with BILL MAHER" on amazon.com. Having a husband who knows him since his times at comedy central I DO KNOW SOME THINGS ABOUT HIM. :lol:

Oh yeah, this is Religion and Culture. Not Islam and Islamic culture.

I am very glad to hear that. Very good for you. The only thing that I am lacking to understand is, what is it has to do with me or the topic? Girl, I am afraid you are losing your touch.

Islam is a religion, too. Discussing Islamic issues is not prohibited in this forum. Everyone has a point and everyone is free to make that point. Being rude and offensive never solved any problems.

Good luck

[Maroon]

I am very glad to hear that. Very good for you. The only thing that I am lacking to understand is, what is it has to do with me or the topic? Girl, I am afraid you are losing your touch.

Good luck

I am not the one who mentioned about the "misconception empowered by Western Media". :rolleyes:

Have a nice day.

[Aziz]

No! I will not stop insulting beliefs of some morons who think they are carriers of the ultimate truth. In fact, I, as a reasonable human being reserve the right to question, and/or offend intellectual capacity, personal life, and judgement of people in concern. So as far as I'm concerned, they should put their words where their money is, and kindly go choke themselves. :D

TR

May You be guided to the Ultimate Truth...

[Alouddin]

ahem...

ze riper - еще одно такое "мудрое" изречение и ты вылетишь со всего форума вообще!
The Reaper
No! I will not stop insulting beliefs of some morons who think they are carriers of the ultimate truth.

5. Haqorat qilish, so’kinish v.h. – Forumning boshqa a’zolarini, suhbatdoshlarni haqoratlash, ularning milliy va diniy hislarini haqoratlash, forumda so’kinish, kurakda turmaydigan gaplarni ishlatish qat’iy ta’qiqlanadi. Bu Warning, qo’pol holatlarda Ban bilan jazolanadi. Хозирча биров сенинг диний хис-туйгуларинги хакорат килмади...

[The Reaper]

ahem...

ze riper - еще одно такое "мудрое" изречение и ты вылетишь со всего форума вообще!
Хозирча биров сенинг диний хис-туйгуларинги хакорат килмади...

I guess "righteous" ones can spew all the hatred they want, but they are too offended by a guy using an f-word, or simply denegrading their little sect.

Hypocricy at its finest.

If you wanna respond to me, you can just bang your head against the keyboard, because that combo of letters will make more sense than you.

Have the very special day, for a very special person. :D

TR

[referee]

This forum lacks objectivity.
MegaZ it is time to turn this forum into forum.islam.uz or maybe you should change moderators in most of the boards and put more people with rational thinking and who do not close every topic which they personally find offending to their "values".
The problem in this forum is that once someone mentions religion as their basis it is automatically assumed they hold higher ground than those who disagree. Not only do I find it stupid but I find it counter-productive to this forum.

Sorry, but your posting does not seem to be objective either. The following is for general consumption...

Though many decide to disagree on what some forum users may write, it does not mean that their disagreement is per se rational, objective and grounded on facts. It is more often than not a point of view, which is as valid for expression as others, as long as it does not aim to insult or disrespect...

On religous issues, I think it's a blatant simplification to say that forum users would just accept at face value any comment that has "religion" word in it. They are smarter than that, or at least that's what I'd like to think.

On offensiveness, I feel that it is currently cross-cutting both lines of the debate regardless where they stand on the issue of religion. It's purely a matter of self-control, which is not dependent on people's views but on their manners...

[Alouddin]

I guess "righteous" ones can spew all the hatred they want, but they are too offended by a guy using an f-word, or simply denegrading their little sect.

Hypocricy at its finest.

If you wanna respond to me, you can just bang your head against the keyboard, because that combo of letters will make more sense than you.

Have the very special day, for a very special person. :D

TR umid qilaman, ki bu tra-ta-tat-tat deb yozilgan gaplar sening bu yerga qaytmasligindan belgi...

[Shahnoz]

Nima Balo?!! :shock: Odamlar uje nima qilishni bilishmootti... nima keragi bor?!! Kim etibdi, "borib 10000 odammi o'ldirsen', reeezkiy borib jannatga tushasan" deb?!! Ho'p, shunaqa bo'lgan taqdirdayam, san shulani o'ldiribsan, o'zing o'libsan, onang nima diydi?!! Odamlardan ko'zini bekitib, yerga qarab yurib, umri bo'yi barcha topganini bir betayin bolaga berib kotta qilganiga afsuslanib yursinmi?!! Ho'p, odamlar o'yliydiki, "mana, man borib hammani portlatsam, ichida albatta kofirla bo'p qoladi, savob qigan bo'laman" deb... shulani ichida bolalar borligini o'ylamidi, ahir ular hali o'zini bilmidi-yu, religion tanlashga balo bormi?!! Keyin-chi, hicham, hech narsani majburlab o'tkazishning o'zi bo'midi, kim etibdiki, agar odamlarni portlab qo'rqitsa, hammasi musulmon bo'ladi deb? Borib BosHinI deVorGa uRsiN!

[Asadbek]

Nima Balo?!! :shock: Odamlar uje nima qilishni bilishmootti... nima keragi bor?!! Kim etibdi, "borib 10000 odammi o'ldirsen', reeezkiy borib jannatga tushasan" deb?!!
.......
Shahnoz,
shuncha gapni yozishdan oldin ushbu Mavzuni diqqat bilan o'qib chiqqaningizda, o'zingizga ancha foyda bo'larmidi..?

Shahid bo'lish degani o'zini borib sizning oldingizda portlatish, degani emas.
Sizdan iltimos, qizishib biror narsa yozishdan oldin, mavzuni diqqat bilan o'rganib chiqing. Gap nima haqda borayotganligini aniqlang.


PS: Ehhh, yoshlarimiz o'z diniga, madaniyatiga, tarixiga faqat G'arb ko'zi bilan qaraydigan bo'lib qolibdi... :(

[XXL]

Shahnoz,
shuncha gapni yozishdan oldin ushbu Mavzuni diqqat bilan o'qib chiqqaningizda, o'zingizga ancha foyda bo'larmidi..?

Shahid bo'lish degani o'zini borib sizning oldingizda portlatish, degani emas.
Sizdan iltimos, qizishib biror narsa yozishdan oldin, mavzuni diqqat bilan o'rganib chiqing. Gap nima haqda borayotganligini aniqlang.


PS: Ehhh, yoshlarimiz o'z diniga, madaniyatiga, tarixiga faqat G'arb ko'zi bilan qaraydigan bo'lib qolibdi... :(

imenno shunaqa napravleniyada ketyapsiz desam, ozim bilaman

deydi..ha hop oziz bilass deymanda...i natijada manaqa 2 tiyinga

kimmat, oylab oylamagan gaplar,

olim bolish oson, odam bolish qiyin. ;)

[Sayyoh]

Nima Balo?!! :shock: Odamlar uje nima qilishni bilishmootti... nima keragi bor?!! Kim etibdi, "borib 10000 odammi o'ldirsen', reeezkiy borib jannatga tushasan" deb?!! Ho'p, shunaqa bo'lgan taqdirdayam, san shulani o'ldiribsan, o'zing o'libsan, onang nima diydi?!! Odamlardan ko'zini bekitib, yerga qarab yurib, umri bo'yi barcha topganini bir betayin bolaga berib kotta qilganiga afsuslanib yursinmi?!! Ho'p, odamlar o'yliydiki, "mana, man borib hammani portlatsam, ichida albatta kofirla bo'p qoladi, savob qigan bo'laman" deb... shulani ichida bolalar borligini o'ylamidi, ahir ular hali o'zini bilmidi-yu, religion tanlashga balo bormi?!! Keyin-chi, hicham, hech narsani majburlab o'tkazishning o'zi bo'midi, kim etibdiki, agar odamlarni portlab qo'rqitsa, hammasi musulmon bo'ladi deb? Borib BosHinI deVorGa uRsiN!oltinim, dunyoda CNN, Fox news va shunga ohsash balodan battar SMIla borligini ham bilasmi? :D

[Akhee-Abdullah]

No! I will not stop insulting beliefs of some morons who think they are carriers of the ultimate truth. In fact, I, as a reasonable human being reserve the right to question, and/or offend intellectual capacity, personal life, and judgement of people in concern. So as far as I'm concerned, they should put their words where their money is, and kindly go choke themselves. :D

TR

Psix! : *)

[Malika]

AAWB

xalqimizda bir maqol bor

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