A question about uzbek language

[arashomid]

Salam alaykum:

I have some questions regarding the uzbek language.

First, is Uzbek language same as Turkish, would Uzbek people understand another person if he or she speaks in Turkish? If Uzbek language and Turkish are different, how big would the difference be?

Second, is there any institution within Canada that teaches Uzbek language?

Thanks

[Delf]

Uzbek and Turkish are as similar as Spanish and Portuguese.

If one language is your native, it will take you only 2-3 months to get used to anotherm but one cannot understand the other language right away.

Delf.

[shady_lady]

Uzbek and Turkish are as similar as Spanish and Portuguese.

If one language is your native, it will take you only 2-3 months to get used to anotherm but one cannot understand the other language right away.

Delf.

I can but maybe because I know Azeri :rolleyes:

[melo]

My Uzbek isn't that good but I could not understand Turkish. A lot of the basic phrases and grammar sounds very different to me.

There are universities in the US that teach Uzbek. I don't know about Canada.

[Tabriz_Han]

Shady Lady BALAM :P so can I, maybe because I am Azeri Turk aswell

It's not a different language, more a different dialect because if I was to go and live in Ozbekistan I would be able to communicate just fine after a few weeks without having to go to a language school.

Currently I watch Ozbekistan Tv, I can understand most of the conversations however, some words are a bit different but the way words are said and the logic of the language is very similar.

In my opinion I'd explain it like this,

Balkan-Turkey-Kafkas-Azeri-Iran-Turkmen Turkish can understand each other and communicate with each other with relative ease.

Ozbek and Uygur Turkish is very similar and understandable but not to such a high degree by the Turkish of the people above.

[arashomid]

so basically, if I know Turkish then there is no need for me to learn Uzbek?

[Tabriz_Han]

No not exactly.

What I meant is, if you learn Ozbek Turkish it will open the doors to understanding Uygur Turkish the Turkish of Turkey-Azerbaycan-Iran-Balkans........ and vica-versa.

If there are no courses in your area teaching Ozbek Turkish well then the next best thing I could recommend is to learn Turkey Turkish because they have alot of courses available and then buy Ozbek books, dictionaries and watch their channels.

Again, if there are Ozbek Turkish courses it would be best to go there, once you learn the language you would easily be able to learn and understand the Turkic spoken in the surrounding regions like Uygur Turkish and in a short time understand the Turkish spoken in Iran, Azerbaycan, Turkey....

In other words learning this language can give you a starting block to understanding the dialects of other Turks.

[MUHLIS]

Ozbek and Uygur Turkish is very similar and understandable but not to such a high degree by the Turkish of the people above.
I would personally add to this list Kazan Tatar and Cremian Tatar. I watched a theater show on Cremian Tatar and it was very similar to Uzbek.
Kazah, Kirgiz, and Karakalpak are also very similar.

Moreover I think, Turkmen and Azeri stands somewhere between Anatolian Turkish and O'zbek.
Why so?
If we look into history, we see that mainly two big standard or formal Turkic existed:
1. Turkic of Turkistan (mainly the area of Central Asia).
2. Turkic of Ottoman Empire.
O'zbek language is in fact, a continuation of old standard Turkic of Turkistan. The same applies to Uyghur. Tatar and Cremian Tatar languages were also under this standard Turkic. This standard language was predominantly based on Karluk dialect while reflecting some Oghuz and Kipchak elements.
While Ottoman Turkic was somewhat different and was based on a oghuz dialect.
If we look at the examples of written heritage we realize that Turkic of Turkistan was fairly popular language for poets, scientists, historians, etc to write with.
So Ottoman Turkic and Cigatay Turkic were two main formal dialects of turkic untill recently, but unfortunately we broke into many "languages".....in many ways "thanks to" the politics of Russian Empire.
To an Uzbek admirer of classical literature poems of Mahtumquli (who is now advertised as Turkmen poet) or Fuzuliy (who is now introduced as Azeri poet) is not a "foreign poet". Similarly enough ghazals of Boborahim Mashrab (who is now portrayed as Uzbek poet) has actually become source of many Uyghur songs........

[TURKiSTAN]

for example this poem of Magcan which was written in Kazakcha can even understandable for Anatolian Turks...

TURKISTAN EKI DUNYA ESIGOY.
TURKISTAN ER TURKDUN BESIGOY.
TAMASA TURKISTANDAY JERDE TUVGAN.
TURKDUN TANRI BERGEN NASIPI GOY.


Magcanga Olloh raxmat qilsin...

[Tabriz_Han]

Katta Rahmat Muhlis Beg :)

I agree, especially with regards to Fuzulli, he was inluenced by Nava'i and was simply a Turkish writer who was from the Bayat Turks (Oguz)

In addition in Suleyman the Magnificents library there are many Nava'i books and Babur was infuenced by him aswell.

We have different dialects not languages, we have one language, all we need is a standardisation in the same way Arabic was standarsised and this wonderfull language will be 100% understood from Prizen in Kosovo to Kashgar in Eastern Turkistan.

[melo]

We have different dialects not languages, we have one language, all we need is a standardisation in the same way Arabic was standarsised and this wonderfull language will be 100% understood from Prizen in Kosovo to Kashgar in Eastern Turkistan.

I diagree- they are very distinct languages, not dialects. The Uzbek language is heavily influenced by Arabic and Farsi- whereas present day Turkish is not. I also think there is no way people could agree on a standardization. Which language would be the standard?

[Tabriz_Han]

They are dialects, definately not different languages, if I can turn on Ozbekistan Tv without going to a lesson of Ozbek in my life and understand what's going on then this cannot be called a different language, its a dialect.

I listen to Uygur Radio and their songs and can understand alot of what is said after a few weeks now I can understand most of what is being said without having to go to a language class ever.

Turkish of Turkey is influenced to a degree by Arabic and Persian aswell.

Turkish of Azerbaycan/Iran which is my accent also has Persian influence.

All language have lexical borrowings, it enriches language, take English for example there are so many word-borrowings but these are Englishafied.

Standardisation can easily be achieved.

To complete such a project, Proffessors and Universities from each Turkic country must organise a joint specialist branch to focus on this, between them we can create a standardised Turkish which would benefit us all taking all the dialects into account and using them all.

Its not a very hard task, the Arabic dialects of Morroco are very different to that of Syria or Oman but they developled "Fusha" standardised Modern Arabic which allows all the Arab speakers to communicate in written and to a degree in spoken language.

[Pinkie]

I diagree- they are very distinct languages, not dialects. The Uzbek language is heavily influenced by Arabic and Farsi- whereas present day Turkish is not. I also think there is no way people could agree on a standardization. Which language would be the standard?
It's normal for a language to have some influence by any neighboring languages. Take Spanish for example, there are some words that have Arabic influence (take the Ojala que for example), but it doesn't mean it does not belong in the same family like Italian, French and Portugese.

[zakirjon]

I can speak turkish, turkmen and khazak languages as my native uzbek language. among these languages the best similar two are uzbek and turkish. meanings of words in these languages are almost the same only pronounciation is a bit different. I can easily say that the turkish which was spoken during ottoman empire is 90% the same with uzbek language. thanks.

[Frida]

so basically, if I know Turkish then there is no need for me to learn Uzbek?

What is your native language? If your native language is one of the Turkic languages than you wont have difficulty in understanding other Turkic lang-s. If you are just learning Turkish than dont think that it will be easy to understand Uzbek after Introductory or even Intermediate levels of Turkish. You have to have v.good command of one of the Turkic languages to understand others. It is easy for native speakers but not for learners. Turkic languages arent dialects of one another, each of them are disctinct languages with their own ways of borrowing words from other languages, influenced by them which makes them differ from each other.

[zakirjon]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uzbek_language mana shunga kirib ko'ring

[Tabriz_Han]

Frido
Turkic languages arent dialects of one another, each of them are disctinct languages


I have to disagree, I'm a Turk from Iran and can and do communicate with Turks from Turkmenistan and even Kosovo in the Balkans without going to a day of Turkish language school in my life.

To call Azeri Turkish a distinct language to Turkiye Turkish or Balkan Turkish different distinct language to Azeri Turkish is incorrect.

A distinct language would be Itallian and Spanish, both Latin based but distinct, for an Itallian to learn Spanish they would need to go to some lessons in Spanish at least.

There are two major dialects of Turkic, Oghuz and Chagtay also Kipchak is one. The Oghuz Turkic speakers all can to a high degree understand each other, this is why the Turkish spoken from Turkmenistan to Balkans is very easy for me. However, the Chaghtay dialect is spoken in Ozbekistan and Eastern Turkistan and North Afganistan is more tricky, however, after watching Ozbeksitan Tv and listening to music and programs for a few weeks and spending time on this forum :D I can understand alot better.

Standardisation of Turkic is needed and should be carried out by representitives of all the major dialects.

[ArashArcher]

Tabriz Khan, do you speak farsi?

Aya shoma farsi baladid?

[ArashArcher]

No not exactly.

What I meant is, if you learn Ozbek Turkish it will open the doors to understanding Uygur Turkish the Turkish of Turkey-Azerbaycan-Iran-Balkans........ and vica-versa.

If there are no courses in your area teaching Ozbek Turkish well then the next best thing I could recommend is to learn Turkey Turkish because they have alot of courses available and then buy Ozbek books, dictionaries and watch their channels.

Again, if there are Ozbek Turkish courses it would be best to go there, once you learn the language you would easily be able to learn and understand the Turkic spoken in the surrounding regions like Uygur Turkish and in a short time understand the Turkish spoken in Iran, Azerbaycan, Turkey....

In other words learning this language can give you a starting block to understanding the dialects of other Turks.

Tabriz Khan, you are my azeri brother and I thank you for giving me this advice. I couldn't find any institution that teaches ozbek turkish in a very formal way. I am going to learn the Turkish of Turkey since it is the only option I have.

Anyways, kheli mamnoon aziz barada.

khoda shoma dost darid, khoda shoma ra barkat bedahad.

ahle koja hastid?

[ArashArcher]

Tabriz khan, koja zendegie mikonide?

[Tabriz_Han]

Arash
Aya shoma farsi baladid?


Bale(My-Farsi-is-not-very-good:( )


kheli mamnoon aziz barada.


Mostahakkeram

Man az Iran hastam,manam-dar-England-zendegi-mikonam,Shoma ahleh kohja hastid?

Az molaghat e-sham khosh vaghtam

Man bayad farsi ro bishtar tamrin konam:oops: :oops: :oops:

[shahrukh]

Salom
Yakshe?

Anybody would like to learn Bahasa Malaysia?

Katta Raxhmat
Shahrukh

[shahrukh]

Assalamualaikum

Yakhshemeshez!

I'm ex student of UZGUMYA. I speak Bahasa Malaysia, Indonesia, English, a bit Russian, a bit Pashto, a bit Arabic, understand Uzbek Cha, Farsi, Urdu... I've been in Tashkent in 1994... I love samosa, mantu and sashlik.

Juda yakshi....

Shahrukh
Investment Consultant

[mustafa06]

I love samosa, mantu and sashlik

Tadını alsa babanda severdi :)

joke, joke

Don't you love uzbek pilau ?

hımmm ko'p yaxshi bo'lgen

[MUHLIS]

Bale(My-Farsi-is-not-very-good:( )



Mostahakkeram

Man az Iran hastam,manam-dar-England-zendegi-mikonam,Shoma ahleh kohja hastid?
Az molaghat e-sham khosh vaghtam
Ohudum, ama go'zlarima inananmiram! San ozunu "Iranliyam" deyirsan? Man san yazan seylari coh maraglanib ohiyirdim, dusunurdimki sanin kimi insanlar cohalsa bir gun Azarbaycan birlesecek...sende en birinci iranliyi goren kimi "khosh vaghtam" deyirsan.......
Naisa, sana ugurlar.

[khanoghuz]

tabiki
ben sizi anlıyorum mesala .arada bazı kelimeleri anlamadığım oluyor ama bütünü ve vermek istediği mesajı çıkarabiliyorum. ancak itiraf etmem gerekirse yazın derseniz yazamam.

[shahrukh]

I like pilau and oz laghman near Cilanzar Market...
I like tarbuza during summer...

Really a very nice country and nice people...