Paying zakat in western countries ?!

[Vector]

this question is a bit confusing for me and my friends...

How are we going to pay zakat in western countries?
We work and pay taxes and insurances...which are generally spended as a benefit to needed people in that country...:rolleyes:
as an example in England: if i earn certain amount of money (£2000), i pay taxes £500 plus insurance £100 from my earnings.
How will i calculate zakat? Would that mean i pay double(taxes and zakat)? in most islamic countries people don't pay taxes, they pay just zakat themselves?!

If there are some fatwas about this matter, pls show sources...
Thank you

[Black]

Taxes and insurances is not included into zakat, you have to pay total sum of zakat. There is a fatwa of Shayh Muhammad Sodiq. but I can not give you direct link right now. Besides that www.islam.uz was not working today. So you (not only you, but others as well) pay double, that is the rule. Taxes are not zakat.
Furthermore, zakat should be paid to certain group of people, which is descried in Qur'an, while you don't know where your taxes are used.

[Sigma]

:bismillah
:salam:
Ramadan is nearing its last days. Some people will pay their zakats. Can some knowledgeable brothers elaborate on this topic, ie. how to correctly pay due zakat, what are the requirements and prohibitions, as well to whom its due and what amount, what rate and etc? I will really appreciate if someone takes time and effort to define this issue with clear and simple examples, ie regarding nisob, gold/silver amount, liabilities/savings, movable property/real estate.
And may Allah reward you and guide us towards truth.
Looking forward to your replies.
:salam:
:jazak:

[abcd]

I am also looking forward for suggestions.

[referee]

For illustration purposes, here's zakat calculator by Interpal, British-based charity:

http://www.interpal.org/donate/zakatCalculator.html

[abcd]

Should auto loans to be considered as a liabilities?

[Black]

Zakotni nisobini O'zbekistonda bu yil 1 mln 200 ming yoki 1 mln. 500 ming deb e'lon qilishuvdi. Kim anig'ini bilsa post qivorsin. Bundan 2 hafta oldin (machitda) aytilgan gap esimda yo'q. Qarilik qursin.
Can anyone post what is the nisab of zakat in the country your stay (which is calculated and announced by scholars, not your raw claculations). And what is the amount of Fitr sadaqa per head.
Fitr in Uzbekistan this year is 500 soums per head.
Samo may forget to pay it, or not know its importance (it is an obligation to pay Fitr sadaqa up until the Iyd prayers).
So post whatever you know about these issues (zakat and fitr) just to remind and teach others.

[Aziz]

islam: question and answer.
you can submit your own question and get your answer.
http://www.islamqa.com/index.php?ln=eng

[briofito]

yeaaaaaaaa this question is too confusing for me and my friends...

[briofito]

this question is a bit confusing for me and my friends...

[Alesser]

Zakotni nisobini O'zbekistonda bu yil 1 mln 200 ming yoki 1 mln. 500 ming deb e'lon qilishuvdi. Kim anig'ini bilsa post qivorsin. Bundan 2 hafta oldin (machitda) aytilgan gap esimda yo'q. Qarilik qursin.
Can anyone post what is the nisab of zakat in the country your stay (which is calculated and announced by scholars, not your raw claculations). And what is the amount of Fitr sadaqa per head.
Fitr in Uzbekistan this year is 500 soums per head.
Samo may forget to pay it, or not know its importance (it is an obligation to pay Fitr sadaqa up until the Iyd prayers).
So post whatever you know about these issues (zakat and fitr) just to remind and teach others.

kecha Uzb bilan gaplashgandim shu masala buyicha, bilishimcha 1 mln 300ming som puli bulgan odamga zakot vojib ekan... men bilishimcha va eshitshimcha agar men birovlarga qarz bergan bulsam shu qarzni ham zakot beriladigan pulga qushib hisoblashim kerak ekan, meni uylantirayotgan savol shuki men birovlarga qarz berganman lek uzim credit cardga creditni yahshilash uchun oylik puli tulab turaman... Garb davlatda hamma narsa odamni creditiga qarab baholangani uchun, credit yahshi bulishi kerak... agar credit carddan qarz bulsa va oylik miqdorda tulov sharti bilan tulayotgan bulsa shu credit carddan bulgan qarzni zakot pulidan ayrib tashalarmikin?!! bilganlar bulsa iltimos, shu tugrisida ham tuhtalib utsak juda yahshi bulardi... oldindan rahmat:)...

[Alesser]

islam: question and answer.
you can submit your own question and get your answer.
http://www.islamqa.com/index.php?ln=eng

I tried it several times and been waiting for my fatwas for ages... I still haven't head anything from them, but I tried www.islam.uz Q&A section and was able to recieve fatwa from Shayh Muhammad Sodiq...

[Alesser]

yana bir meni uylantirayotgan narsa, USdagi mahalliy Masjidimiz Imomi zakotni qaerda yashasa usha erda berishi kerak deb fatwo chiqarganini eshitdim... uylashimcha bu erda, USda, zakotga muhtoj Musulmon oilani topish umuman mushkul va fikrimcha bu erdan kura Uzbda zakotga muhtojroq oilalar kup deb uyliman... shuning uchun zakotni Uzbda berishni afzal kuraman, shu haqida ham bilganlar bulsa iltimos, fikrlarizi yozib qoldiring...

oldindan rahmat:)...

[Masud]

Zakotni nisobini O'zbekistonda bu yil 1 mln 200 ming yoki 1 mln. 500 ming deb e'lon qilishuvdi. Kim anig'ini bilsa post qivorsin. Bundan 2 hafta oldin (machitda) aytilgan gap esimda yo'q. Qarilik qursin.
Can anyone post what is the nisab of zakat in the country your stay (which is calculated and announced by scholars, not your raw claculations). And what is the amount of Fitr sadaqa per head.
Fitr in Uzbekistan this year is 500 soums per head.
Samo may forget to pay it, or not know its importance (it is an obligation to pay Fitr sadaqa up until the Iyd prayers).
So post whatever you know about these issues (zakat and fitr) just to remind and teach others.

Yaxshi tread ochilipti. Mani ham shu mavzu haqida savollarim bor.


Bir vaqtdagi pulni hisoblab keyin zakot to'lanadimi? Bir yilda bir martami, yoki....? What is the frequency of paying zakat? Is this the same way as taxes? Done in April, but you know what I mean? Pay it during the Ramazan?

Man misol uchun uydagilarga zakotdan ham ko'proq pul jo'natib yuborgan bo'sam, unda qanday masala bo'ladi?

Keyin Alesserni savollaridan, zakotni qaysi mamlakatda to'lanishi kerak?

[Aziz]

here is a link...
you can search also for zakat in the same website. if it doesn't work, try different spelling like zakaah or zakaat.

http://www.islamqa.com/special/index.php?ref=2447&subsite=15&ln=eng

[Sigma]

Zakotni nisobini O'zbekistonda bu yil 1 mln 200 ming yoki 1 mln. 500 ming deb e'lon qilishuvdi. Kim anig'ini bilsa post qivorsin. Bundan 2 hafta oldin (machitda) aytilgan gap esimda yo'q. Qarilik qursin.
Can anyone post what is the nisab of zakat in the country your stay (which is calculated and announced by scholars, not your raw claculations). And what is the amount of Fitr sadaqa per head.
Fitr in Uzbekistan this year is 500 soums per head.
Samo may forget to pay it, or not know its importance (it is an obligation to pay Fitr sadaqa up until the Iyd prayers).
So post whatever you know about these issues (zakat and fitr) just to remind and teach others.

Nisob in UK according to banktree (http://www.islam.banktree.co.uk/online.php) this year is around £862.506. Last week I had been to my local mosque for Juma and imam mentioned that sadaqa ul fitr is £5 per person. He also mentioned that zakot is around £800. And I presume sadaqa ul fitr ranges from one country to another as well as the zakot amount. However, gold prices are fixed by http://www.goldprice.org/ so the amount of nisob shall be calculated accordingly. If I am wrong please correct me.

[Sigma]

yana bir meni uylantirayotgan narsa, USdagi mahalliy Masjidimiz Imomi zakotni qaerda yashasa usha erda berishi kerak deb fatwo chiqarganini eshitdim... uylashimcha bu erda, USda, zakotga muhtoj Musulmon oilani topish umuman mushkul va fikrimcha bu erdan kura Uzbda zakotga muhtojroq oilalar kup deb uyliman... shuning uchun zakotni Uzbda berishni afzal kuraman, shu haqida ham bilganlar bulsa iltimos, fikrlarizi yozib qoldiring...

oldindan rahmat:)...

If you look at many islamic charities (www.islamic-relief.com), many of them offer assistance to different nations and require donations/zakats from any Muslim. You can donate your zakat to any poor Muslim, but not member of Hashimi family(family of Prophet (sav)), provided they are indeed in poor state. In your case should you wish to donate to uzbek family or person, then better do so. I have spoken to one Quwaiti brother not so long ago and he mentioned that they pay zakat to not so well-off countries like Pakistan, Indonesia. However, zakat rules state that it shall not be given to your immediate family members, ie your parents, brothers/sisters. If I am wrong please correct me.

[Football_fan]

Quyidagi saytda Germaniyadagi Milliy Gorus Islomiy Jamiyati tomonidan har bir davlat uchun hisoblab berilgan Fitr sadaqasi hamda Zakot haqida turkcha ma'lumot berilgan, balkim shu ma'lumot asqotib qolar deb o'ylayman: http://www.igmg.de/download/zekat_fitre_2006.pdf. O'zim turkchani uncha yahshi tushunmayman, lekin hisoblangan raqamlarni tushunish uchun til uncha shart emas, deb o'ylayman.

Meni shahsiy fikrim: agar imkoni bo'lsa, pulni O'zbekistondagi muhtojlarga berilsa, manimcha yanada savobliroq bo'ladi, deb o'ylayman.

[Sigma]

Yaxshi tread ochilipti. Mani ham shu mavzu haqida savollarim bor.


Bir vaqtdagi pulni hisoblab keyin zakot to'lanadimi? Bir yilda bir martami, yoki....? What is the frequency of paying zakat? Is this the same way as taxes? Done in April, but you know what I mean? Pay it during the Ramazan?

Man misol uchun uydagilarga zakotdan ham ko'proq pul jo'natib yuborgan bo'sam, unda qanday masala bo'ladi?

Keyin Alesserni savollaridan, zakotni qaysi mamlakatda to'lanishi kerak?

Payment of zakat is one-off and it shall be made on yearly basis, ideally for the period from one Ramadan to another, and/or at the end of lunar year. Zakat is personal tax you owe to God and it is unlike government taxes, which are regular on daily/weekly/monthly/quarterly basis; all you get from payment of it is salvation of your soul in the afterworld and purification of your wealth in this world.
When you transfer money to your family you do it personally as an act of financial assistance. However, zakat payment first of all requires proper niyat to pay it and it should be given to non members of your family. If I am wrong then please correct me.

[Sigma]

For your info brothers some useful websites concerning zakat.

www.goldprice.org

http://www.islamic-relief.com/zakat/zakintro1.htm

http://www.islam.banktree.co.uk/online.php

http://www.1stethical.com/Zakat.pdf

http://www.islamicaid.org.uk/islamicinfo2.html

[Black]

kecha Uzb bilan gaplashgandim shu masala buyicha, bilishimcha 1 mln 300ming som puli bulgan odamga zakot vojib ekan... men bilishimcha va eshitshimcha agar men birovlarga qarz bergan bulsam shu qarzni ham zakot beriladigan pulga qushib hisoblashim kerak ekan, meni uylantirayotgan savol shuki men birovlarga qarz berganman lek uzim credit cardga creditni yahshilash uchun oylik puli tulab turaman... Garb davlatda hamma narsa odamni creditiga qarab baholangani uchun, credit yahshi bulishi kerak... agar credit carddan qarz bulsa va oylik miqdorda tulov sharti bilan tulayotgan bulsa shu credit carddan bulgan qarzni zakot pulidan ayrib tashalarmikin?!! bilganlar bulsa iltimos, shu tugrisida ham tuhtalib utsak juda yahshi bulardi... oldindan rahmat:)...

Bir narsa deyish qiyin, olimlardan so'rang. Lekin bir narsa aytishim mumkin, o'zi umuman Credit carddan foydalanish mumkinmi? Yoki credit carddagi qarzni procent bilan to'lash sudho'rlik emasmi? Masalaning shu tomonlarini ham o'ylash kerak.

[Gareeb]

Ask thouse who know if you don't know

[Alesser]

Bir narsa deyish qiyin, olimlardan so'rang. Lekin bir narsa aytishim mumkin, o'zi umuman Credit carddan foydalanish mumkinmi? Yoki credit carddagi qarzni procent bilan to'lash sudho'rlik emasmi? Masalaning shu tomonlarini ham o'ylash kerak.


Credit card foydalanish haqida bir narsa deyishim qiyin, lek har qanday procent "riba" aralashgan narsa haromligi haqiqat, lek shu credit cardni olib faqat crdeditni yahshilash uchun ishlatib vaqtida ishlatilgan pulni vaqtida tulab quyilsa hech qanday finance charge bulmaydi, procent arlashmaydi... uzi credit cardni faqat creditni yahshilash uchun olganman, shunki Garb davlatlarda hamma narsa credit card bilan ulchalanadi... albatta, Inshallah biror olimlardan surab kuraman, bilsam albatta bu erga ham yozib qoldiraman...

Alloh rozi bulsin!!!

[Masud]

Demak, !

Sigma, I understood what you have said above. However, more questions accumulated.

Say, I transfered financial assets to my family to another country, (they don't live poor alhamdulillah), but is that money still counted in the calculation of my total zakaah?

I don't think credit card should be counted as a debt when you use it as a means of gaining favourable credit rating.

The fitr, is that something you have to give during the month of Ramazan?

appreciate the answers if legible

AAWRWB

[Sigma]

Demak, !

Sigma, I understood what you have said above. However, more questions accumulated.

Say, I transfered financial assets to my family to another country, (they don't live poor alhamdulillah), but is that money still counted in the calculation of my total zakaah?

I don't think credit card should be counted as a debt when you use it as a means of gaining favourable credit rating.

The fitr, is that something you have to give during the month of Ramazan?

appreciate the answers if legible

AAWRWB

If your money is held by someone else for safe keeping, that should be fine; you just add the whole sum up to your total and calculate the rate of zakat accordingly.
The fitr must be given out before the Iyd salat; it is for the forgiving and purification of your shortcomings during the Ramadan, ie missing fasting etc.

[Sigma]

The site below is the all comprehesive and is from reliable authority. Have a look:
http://zakat.al-islam.com/
The other site I found is pretty simple with clear examples:
http://islamic-relief.com/zakat/zakintro1.htm
Hope they will assist you.

[SAMARKANDI!]

If really really really confused and dont know what to do, act according to ur morals (insof and iymon):) but pay it:)

[Black]

Credit card foydalanish haqida bir narsa deyishim qiyin, lek har qanday procent "riba" aralashgan narsa haromligi haqiqat, lek shu credit cardni olib faqat crdeditni yahshilash uchun ishlatib vaqtida ishlatilgan pulni vaqtida tulab quyilsa hech qanday finance charge bulmaydi, procent arlashmaydi... uzi credit cardni faqat creditni yahshilash uchun olganman, shunki Garb davlatlarda hamma narsa credit card bilan ulchalanadi... albatta, Inshallah biror olimlardan surab kuraman, bilsam albatta bu erga ham yozib qoldiraman...

Alloh rozi bulsin!!!

Bunisini bilmagan ekanman.
Nima bo'lsayam haromdan O'zi saqlasin.

[Sayyoh]

just fyi:

ehran Times
October 18, 2006

Medina economics

By Hamid Golpira

The masses of the Islamic ummah are suffering, and it is the duty of every Muslim to work to uplift the less fortunate members of our community from their poverty, illiteracy, and deprivation.

To realize this goal, we must establish an Islamic economic system and Medina is the example.

For a brief time, when Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him and his family) was the ruler of that city, poverty was eradicated in Medina. Muslims who lived there had to travel to neighboring towns and villages to pay zakat, the Muslim alms tax, since there was no one in Medina whose standard of living was below the poverty line.

How did they do it? Well, they put the tenets of the Holy Quran into practice. They acted upon the teachings of Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him and his family). They shared. They cared about their neighbors. They worked together to establish an ideal Islamic economic system.

Islam calls for a mixed economy. The Islamic economic system is neither capitalist nor socialist, but has elements of both, hence it is a mixed economic system. However, there is no consensus on whether it should
lean more toward socialism or more toward capitalism.

Yet, the fact that it is a mixed economy means that it can better provide for the poor.

In socialism and communism, the state is tasked with raising the standard of living of the poor and the individual's role is not emphasized. In capitalism,
the main responsibility for uplifting the poor is placed on the shoulders of the individual members of society, with the government playing a less important
role and sometimes not helping at all.

The Islamic economic system provides a better social safety net because both the state and individuals are called upon to raise people out of poverty.

According to Islam, individual Muslims are the first line of defense in the war on poverty. Family members, friends, and neighbors are required to assist the
poorer members of the community. When that is not possible, the government must do all it can to boost the economic status of the poor by working to create employment or providing financial and material assistance to the needy from the bait-al√mal (public treasury).

Unfortunately, this ideal is not being put into practice by any Islamic country.

The Holy Quran places great emphasis on the need to provide for orphans and the destitute, but it seems that we have all fallen short in our duty to the poor.


Surah 107 of the Holy Quran, Al Maun (The Daily Necessaries), warns those who withhold the necessaries of life and says that those who do not believe in the Judgment Day treat the orphans with harshness and do not urge others to feed the poor.

When will we listen and learn?

Of course, we will not be able to establish an economic system like Medina had at the advent of Islam because they had Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him and his family) and we don't.

Medina, Madinat an-Nabi, the City of the Prophet, was the city par excellence.

We will only be able to reestablish the ideal Islamic economic system when we have an ideal Islamic state, which will not happen until Imam Mahdi (peace be upon him) appears to establish his Islamic state.

However, in the mean time, we should work to establish an economic system that is at least somewhat in line with the tenets of Islam before Imam Mahdi
(PBUH) appears and the time is ripe for the reestablishment of the ideal Islamic economic system.

If we believe in Islam and have compassion for our fellow human beings, we must work hard to implement some kind of Medina economics.

http://www.tehrantimes.com/Description.asp?Da=10/18/2006&Cat=14&Num=001

http://www.tehrantimes.com/

[Masud]

Fresh information,

I called home and I asked about the zakat. If you transferred any assets, it is not yours anymore (e.g. money, car). The rest was calculated in this way. 40th of anything that exceeds 1000 US dollars.

Say if you have 3000 US dollars total of everything your zakat would be (3000-1000)/40=50 US dollars.

Sending the zakat money home(Uzb), so it will be distributed appropriately.

Ihdinassirotol mustaqiym.

[Sigma]

Fresh information,

I called home and I asked about the zakat. If you transferred any assets, it is not yours anymore (e.g. money, car). The rest was calculated in this way. 40th of anything that exceeds 1000 US dollars.

Say if you have 3000 US dollars total of everything your zakat would be (3000-1000)/40=50 US dollars.

Sending the zakat money home(Uzb), so it will be distributed appropriately.

Ihdinassirotol mustaqiym.

At any one time, you intend to pay off your zakat, all the total amount of money (that is, if you have ready and on hand at that time) you possess shall be liable. Otherwise, if you still have outstanding sum, which you deem to get it paid back then you include that amount into your zakat once you have it.
Visit here (http://www.1stethical.com/Zakat.pdf), they have zakat calculator in Excel format; it'll give some direction how to sum it up.

[Black]

Fresh information,

I called home and I asked about the zakat. If you transferred any assets, it is not yours anymore (e.g. money, car). The rest was calculated in this way. 40th of anything that exceeds 1000 US dollars.

Say if you have 3000 US dollars total of everything your zakat would be (3000-1000)/40=50 US dollars.

Sending the zakat money home(Uzb), so it will be distributed appropriately.

Ihdinassirotol mustaqiym.
Wrong!
1) If you transferred assets, but it stills belongs to you, then you have to pay zakat from it. For example if you transfer your money saved from your wages to your family, but it is expected you to get that money after coming back home, then you have to pay zakat from it.
2) You have to pay a zakat from total amount, for example, if you have 3000 USD then you have to pay 3000/40=75 USD. This calculation is wrong (3000-1000)/40=50 US dollars.

[Black]

At any one time, you intend to pay off your zakat, all the total amount of money (that is, if you have ready and on hand at that time) you possess shall be liable. Otherwise, if you still have outstanding sum, which you deem to get it paid back then you include that amount into your zakat once you have it.
Visit here (http://www.1stethical.com/Zakat.pdf), they have zakat calculator in Excel format; it'll give some direction how to sum it up.
The total amount include the money you lent to others which you expected to get in the future. If you lent some money somebody, but you are sure that he will not return that money to you then that sum is not included into the amount of payable zakat.