Why all negative

[atenan]

Dear forumers,

I got interested in Uzbekistan some year ago and what was my dismay to find so many bad words and facts and complains about your country in the forums.
The story is as follows:
I met a guy from Uzbekistan - an uzbek, whom I fall in love. He was such a nice person - intelligent, good, kind, calm and tollerant, tender and love giving. He was more han anyone from all Europe I have met. And it was my love for him that made me get interesting in your country. And all I find in the forums are bitter words about the country, about poverty and social problems. I was quite schocked to find uzbeks beat and treat badly their wives. I can not even imagine such one a thing for the guy I met ( even not for his colleagues whom I barely know but still I find nice guys).
What I have from him is a nice idea of your country, nice idea of your people. Ok He lives in Tashkent and I have never been there but still. And I can not believe there are salaries of 10$ as this is the sum he paid last time we saw each other for a Coca cola and a beer - in Europe it was.
Anyway what I wanted to see is - believe in yourselves and be proud of yourselves because I have never ever met such a person as this uzbek guy and maybe there are a lot of people like him in Uzbekistan and so you should be proud of yourselves.

Bless you

[Black]

Well, what is it? Is this a question? A topic to discuss? Just your impressions?
Anyways. There are different people in any nation. Not all Uzbeks beat their wives. It depends on person himself. Only the ones who drink and do not follow Islam beat their wives (not all of them, but still there are some who do it).

P.S. It seems to me you are not local European, they do not think in such a way (like yours).

[elDoraDo]

Black,

and there are a lot who do not follow Islam, indeed.
Actually that was just one little side of the point, but not the whole one.

Talking about the origin of the author - i've seen such not locals who have much more "european" view to these issues, and vice-versa. but anyway - that's again not the point at all.

atenan, i am proud of my uzbeks too. the picture is not as it is described to you. you go there, you see it, and you will discover your own uzbekistan. so, what i suggest is believe in what your friend says, trust in him - and see all yourself. for example i fell in love with a chinese girl, i would not listen to any human rights watch reports or reports about people living in poverty in that country.

on the contrary, that's smth between you and that guy, not you and uzbekistan.

[Uzbekxonim]

it's strange that you faced only negative things about Uzbekistan:? Of course, all nations and countries have its negative and positive sides, but i beleive that in Uzbekistan it is somehow balanced :) one bad person - another is a good person, salary is low - prices are not too high (comparing to the West).

and why did you come to a conclusion that we aren't proud by being Uzbeks (eventhough our nation and country have problems)? WE ARE PROUD. If we feel ssory, dissapointed, angry about some events that happen in Uzbekistan it doesn't mean that we underestimate or don't believe in ourselves, our country, our nation.

i'm sure that in Uzbekistan you would meet a lot of people like the guy you've already met.
take care

[atenan]

Dear Black,
Thank you for your post. I am European, born in Europe, grown up there and still living there. And do not misunderstand me - I do not blame anyone of anything least of all - for beating wives. I just said this is what is sioad about Uzbekistan but I can not believe it knowing my friend.

Dear ElDorado,
Thank you for you kind words and support. Real communication ( not just reading in the forums, in fact this was my first post) gives me the idea that I am right for what I have as an idea for Uzbekistan.

Uzbekxonim,
Thank you as well. You are right for everything you say. I am sure you are proud of your country and origin. As I am proud to know my guy and to touch to the culture spirit and people of Uzbekistan.

[melo]

Isn't it a bit strange for you to try to understand Uzbekistan after meeting one guy and never going to the country. :rolleyes: Maybe you don't even need to travel - you can just meet one person from each country in the world and know all about the whole world. :lol: :shock:

[anatoliydaev]

atenan,

Thank you.

[Vector]

Dear forumers,

I was quite schocked to find uzbeks beat and treat badly their wives. I can not even imagine such one a thing for the guy I met ( even not for his colleagues whom I barely know but still I find nice guys).

Don't worry about that, it is not the case in many families, husbands do respect their wives and treat them very well, may be rural areas they treat like you say, it's not common...;)

Anyway what I wanted to see is - believe in yourselves and be proud of yourselves because I have never ever met such a person as this uzbek guy and maybe there are a lot of people like him in Uzbekistan and so you should be proud of yourselves.

We are proud from ourselves than any other nations, i can tell you...
you are not the first one to tell such warm things to uzbek guys or girls while we are here, abroad...
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Bless you

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[Vector]

it's strange that you faced only negative things about Uzbekistan:? Of course, all nations and countries have its negative and positive sides, but i beleive that in Uzbekistan it is somehow balanced :) one bad person - another is a good person, salary is low - prices are not too high (comparing to the West).

and why did you come to a conclusion that we aren't proud by being Uzbeks (eventhough our nation and country have problems)? WE ARE PROUD. If we feel ssory, dissapointed, angry about some events that happen in Uzbekistan it doesn't mean that we underestimate or don't believe in ourselves, our country, our nation.

i'm sure that in Uzbekistan you would meet a lot of people like the guy you've already met.
take care

Uzbekxonim, you are the STAR of this forum,
my deep gratitude to you
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[Lady_G]

Uzbekxonim, you are the STAR of this forum,
my deep gratitude to you
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qo'shilaman ;) :kiss: :love:

[Oyaji]

Uzbeks are more humble and self-critical as a whole than not.

And thankfully. It's better than to be cheeky, like them damn russians. We let other people laugh at us and speculate about us. And we laugh together with them at ourselves, and we laugh at them too. :D It's great!

We are unique nation, like no other. We are proud of our language, culture, history. Each one of us speaks 4-5 languages fluently no problem, we are interesting people, and humane, and hardworking.

Let others speculate. We will be ourselves.;)

[ДЖИГИТ]

Dear forumers,

I got interested in Uzbekistan some year ago and what was my dismay to find so many bad words and facts and complains about your country in the forums.
The story is as follows:
I met a guy from Uzbekistan - an uzbek, whom I fall in love. He was such a nice person - intelligent, good, kind, calm and tollerant, tender and love giving. He was more han anyone from all Europe I have met. And it was my love for him that made me get interesting in your country. And all I find in the forums are bitter words about the country, about poverty and social problems. I was quite schocked to find uzbeks beat and treat badly their wives. I can not even imagine such one a thing for the guy I met ( even not for his colleagues whom I barely know but still I find nice guys).
What I have from him is a nice idea of your country, nice idea of your people. Ok He lives in Tashkent and I have never been there but still. And I can not believe there are salaries of 10$ as this is the sum he paid last time we saw each other for a Coca cola and a beer - in Europe it was.
Anyway what I wanted to see is - believe in yourselves and be proud of yourselves because I have never ever met such a person as this uzbek guy and maybe there are a lot of people like him in Uzbekistan and so you should be proud of yourselves.

Bless you

You have noticed that uzbek men beat their wives, but why don't you notice how american men kill their wives, murder whole families. Why people see abuses by men in some country and don't see even worse in their own? is it because America exporting only good news? Again double standards?!:shock:

P.S. uzbek men don't kill their wives like somebody.

[Frida]

You have noticed that uzbek men beat their wives, but why don't you notice how american men kill their wives, murder whole families. Why people see abuses by men in some country and don't see even worse in their own? is it because America exporting only good news? Again double standards?!:shock:

P.S. uzbek men don't kill their wives like somebody.
I dont agree with you on this DJIGIT. Here people TALK about domestic violence. You know that some crazy man killed his wife cause you can watch it on TV and read about it on every single newspaper. But not in Uzbekistan, people DONT TALK about it in our country. Any beaten woman when approached to someone, a family member, a mahalla person, would hear --- it is your own fault. People even say that only "stupid, not good wife" gets beaten. People dont want to deal with domestic violence. Women themselves have to deal with it. How many women's shelter do you know that deal with victims of domestic violence? Why do you think every year almost hundreds of women commint self-immoliation? Not because of the perfect life, is it? Do you know that Code of Law of Uzbekistan doesnt even have a law on domestice violence? This is not a double standart. I wouldnt even compare Uzbekistan and US on this issue. At least, here the victims can be heard, they can be supported by different support groups, but not in Uzbekistan. Over there a beaten woman is just a victim, that has nowhere to go. She cant go back to her parents, she cant sue her husband, she cant complain. She has to GO ON, silently, day by day, till the day she just decides to burn herself or drink uksus to commit a suicide.

[ДЖИГИТ]

I dont agree with you on this DJIGIT. Here people TALK about domestic violence. You know that some crazy man killed his wife cause you can watch it on TV and read about it on every single newspaper. But not in Uzbekistan, people DONT TALK about it in our country. Any beaten woman when approached to someone, a family member, a mahalla person, would hear --- it is your own fault. People even say that only "stupid, not good wife" gets beaten. People dont want to deal with domestic violence. Women themselves have to deal with it. How many women's shelter do you know that deal with victims of domestic violence? Why do you think every year almost hundreds of women commint self-immoliation? Not because of the perfect life, is it? Do you know that Code of Law of Uzbekistan doesnt even have a law on domestice violence? This is not a double standart. I wouldnt even compare Uzbekistan and US on this issue. At least, here the victims can be heard, they can be supported by different support groups, but not in Uzbekistan. Over there a beaten woman is just a victim, that has nowhere to go. She cant go back to her parents, she cant sue her husband, she cant complain. She has to GO ON, silently, day by day, till the day she just decides to burn herself or drink uksus to commit a suicide.

First of all I don't deny abuses by husbands in Uzbekistan, but defenitely not in ratio and cruelty compared with US. How about children being murdered, molested, kidnapped??? what we talk only about adults, men and women? it is evident that there are abuses, but still we are talking about exporting news. When it comes to criticism, Uzbekistan is criticised, why you are not criticising much more crimes in direct murder both in numbers and cruelty in US? Because some people still have double standards. And why r u demonizing Uzbekistan, when everyone can go ahead and sue his husband or wife, who told you that women can't sue their husband? It is your western mentality that allegedly everyone and everything are dark in Uzbekistan. But from family abuse facts speak for themselves. Uzbek men never kill their wives, moreover children.

[Frida]

First of all I don't deny abuses by husbands in Uzbekistan, but defenitely not in ratio and cruelty compared with US. How about children being murdered, molested, kidnapped??? what we talk only about adults, men and women? it is evident that there are abuses, but still we are talking about exporting news. When it comes to criticism, Uzbekistan is criticised, why you are not criticising much more crimes in direct murder both in numbers and cruelty in US? Because some people still have double standards. And why r u demonizing Uzbekistan, when everyone can go ahead and sue his husband or wife, who told you that women can't sue their husband? It is your western mentality that allegedly everyone and everything are dark in Uzbekistan. But from family abuse facts speak for themselves. Uzbek men never kill their wives, moreover children.
I am not even going to argue about that, cause I dont even want to. Why should somebody tell me about the Code of Law and what is written in there? I can read. Also, I actually volunteered at Soros project on women's issues and I am just talking about the stuff I saw and heard that happened and happens in Uzbekistan--I am just talking facts here. Also, please do not compare the country with population of over 290 million to a country that has only 25 millions. Of course the US has more crime compared to Uzb, nobody is arguing that. If people in Uzb. openly talked about the issues then you would hear that kind of stories too. I am not trying to "demonize" Uzbekistan, I am just stating things I know/saw. If people like you and me would start "calling a spade - a spade" things might have changed a bit, wouldn't they?

[ДЖИГИТ]

I am not even going to argue about that, cause I dont even want to. Why should somebody tell me about the Code of Law and what is written in there? I can read. Also, I actually volunteered at Soros project on women's issues and I am just talking about the stuff I saw and heard that happened and happens in Uzbekistan--I am just talking facts here. Also, please do not compare the country with population of over 290 million to a country that has only 25 millions. Of course the US has more crime compared to Uzb, nobody is arguing that. If people in Uzb. openly talked about the issues then you would hear that kind of stories too. I am not trying to "demonize" Uzbekistan, I am just stating things I know/saw. If people like you and me would start "calling a spade - a spade" things might have changed a bit, wouldn't they?

Right, there's no point arguing on evident issues. Here's the point: Criticism should be applied to every nation. Human rights more or less are abused in developed countries as well. A country with human rights problems despite its level of development should not criticise another country without eliminating its own abuses. Period.

[Black]

elDoraDo and atenan

When I talked about the origin of the author it was that "thinking aloud". I thought that atenan mentality (the way of thinking) is closer to Asian or African mentality rather than Westreners. So far, from my experience, I have an impression that Europeans (westren europeans) do not give much importance on the issues of falling love, family matters and the culture and social situation on the beloved one's home country. That is Asians and Africans pay attention to such things. That's what I thought so far. May be I am wrong.
Atenan Even you were born in Europe, I think you somehow related to the East. It seems to me like that.
Anyways take care guys.
Everything depends on person himself, to beat or not to beat and etc., stuff.

Black,

and there are a lot who do not follow Islam, indeed.
Actually that was just one little side of the point, but not the whole one.

Talking about the origin of the author - i've seen such not locals who have much more "european" view to these issues, and vice-versa. but anyway - that's again not the point at all.

[Uzbekxonim]

Do you know that Code of Law of Uzbekistan doesnt even have a law on domestice violence?

i would diagree with you here. different types of domestic violence fall under the articles of Criminal Code: rape, assault, bodily slight/heavy injuries, driving to suicide etc.

another issue that usually crimes that fall under domestic violence are not reported by the victims, therefore are not considered by the court.

[lips]

I am surprised that there is negativity about Uzbeks, bcz altho Iam ignorant about your people, still I find you very mysterious like Siberia and interesting and very expressive. I have yet to officially meet one Uzbek.
Why is it that there is negative thought? Is it the people from the west or among the Uzbeks?

[Pinkie]

atenan,
Welcome to the forum :).
Thank you for your kind words. I am not Uzbek, my best friend (who is like my sister) is. I know you hear a lot of negative stereotypes about Uzbek men in particular-but it just boils down to the individual.

[Frida]

i would diagree with you here. different types of domestic violence fall under the articles of Criminal Code: rape, assault, bodily slight/heavy injuries, driving to suicide etc.

another issue that usually crimes that fall under domestic violence are not reported by the victims, therefore are not considered by the court.
As far as I know articles 105-106 or so deal with different kind of laws about "intentional, non intentional - light, medium and heavy injuries" to people. The parts of these article do not specifically mention about the injuries done at home. It specifically mentions--beating pregnant woman or a person who is weaker than the other one (rape, assult and other is also mentioned as you said above). The fine for this is usually from 1 year to 8 years, that expains why at court people dont want to use these laws for domestic violence cases. As they do "o'zbekchilik" and try to reconcile couples and dont let women press charges against their husbands. Even though women do press charges, then court sees them under the Article: Hooliganism, which is not that harsh as other articles mentioned above.

Somewhat agree with you that women do not report domestic violence, but dont you think that there many obstacles for that? I mean as I mentioned above mahalla, home, qo'shnilar nima deydi? and o'zbekchilik are part of it. And also maybe women dont want even report it, as they know that at court people wont take it seriously?

[Frida]

I am surprised that there is negativity about Uzbeks, bcz altho Iam ignorant about your people, still I find you very mysterious like Siberia and interesting and very expressive. I have yet to officially meet one Uzbek.
Why is it that there is negative thought? Is it the people from the west or among the Uzbeks?

That is exactly what 18-19 century European Orientalists thought about all Asian and Muslim world in particular:some misterious, wild, funnily crazy people. Believe me we are just simple people like everybody else, mostly oppressed by our government and some of our cultural heritage that time to time drives us crazy.

"Our" people are called Uzbeks and country's official name is Uzbekistan you are welcome to google it and find out about "us".
It is not all negative, we are just discussing our society and some drawbacks of it.

[UzLand]

No one is perfect. Some beat their wives, some are pedophiles, some practice different kinky stuff.

Atenan, where are you from? What is the biggest problem in your country?

[Uzbekxonim]

Somewhat agree with you that women do not report domestic violence, but dont you think that there many obstacles for that? I mean as I mentioned above mahalla, home, qo'shnilar nima deydi? and o'zbekchilik are part of it. And also maybe women dont want even report it, as they know that at court people wont take it seriously?

u have point. also it's about mentality and the way girls are raised... but this is not the case in a 100% of uzbek families.

[melo]

So far, from my experience, I have an impression that Europeans (westren europeans) do not give much importance on the issues of falling love, family matters and the culture and social situation on the beloved one's home country. That is Asians and Africans pay attention to such things. That's what I thought so far. May be I am wrong.


Yep, you are very wrong. :lol: Interesting that western countries have higher standards of living and social programs to take care of poorer people. Not sure which asian and african countries have such things. Also, asian countries are known for arranged marriages and ignoring the concept of love more. At least I speak about the majority of people.

[Ulugbek_99]

Yep, you are very wrong. :lol: Interesting that western countries have higher standards of living and social programs to take care of poorer people. Not sure which asian and african countries have such things. Also, asian countries are known for arranged marriages and ignoring the concept of love more. At least I speak about the majority of people.

Yup, that's why US has more than 50% of divorce rate! (sociologists claim that this may also be associated with higher rate of depression in the west) That is "higher" standard of living? You and I have families, guess who is divorcing.

Some philosopher said that love after marriage in the west is like a boiling pot taken down from the oven, in the east it is like pot put on the oven and boiling for the rest of the time. Someone give the authors name, thank you.

I am not saying arranged marriage is the only way to go. But it doesn't necessarily mean it ignores love. What you probably meant was "It won't let you chose your sex partner". After all, it comes to how we define "higher standards", from materialistic point of view or moral point of view.

Salam.

PS: Honestly, why all negative? Anything positive you can point out? If you can't, you are truly unhappy person!

[anatoliydaev]

I am not saying arranged marriage is the only way to go. But it doesn't necessarily mean it ignores love. What you probably meant was "It won't let you chose your sex partner".
True, in any case the man can chose his sex partner after fixed marriage :)

[melo]

True, in any case the man can chose his sex partner after fixed marriage :)

maybe partner(s) :lol: :lol: :lol: And I have seen enough of that from experience. Maybe that boosts the standard of living too. :lol: :rolleyes:

Yup, that's why US has more than 50% of divorce rate! (sociologists claim that this may also be associated with higher rate of depression in the west) That is "higher" standard of living? You and I have families, guess who is divorcing.

Be serious! People die on average around the age of 60. There is terrible medical care and a huge percentage of deaths at time of birth. Uzbeks have to go abroad to make any money. I would say being able to stay at home to work or study might increase the standard of living. And what is the Uzbek rate of divorce, 0% :lol: :lol: :lol: I don't want to dwell on negatives here, but you are ignoring facts. Point is- people can live however they want. If they choose to be idiots in the west, they will live like idiots. I am not saying which is better in general- I just didn't like the points listed about social concern and love.

Moral is- if you don't face facts- you can never change or improve.

[Black]

Yep, you are very wrong. :lol: Interesting that western countries have higher standards of living and social programs to take care of poorer people. Not sure which asian and african countries have such things. Also, asian countries are known for arranged marriages and ignoring the concept of love more. At least I speak about the majority of people.
You did not get me, I am not talking about govermental level or etc. What I am saying is that as an individual, westrener does not appreciate much feeling like love (may be they appreciate, but not as much as eastreners). Besides that, in West the family is not sacred as much as that of in East. So, I think that in personal relationships, Westreners do not give much attention on person's family and society laws, and etc. stuff which we Eastreners are get used to take into account in such situation. For the typical Westren mind falling in love with Eastrener and especially worrying about customs and rules of beloved's family and his society is something unusual. They simply do not fall into such situation. Because for the Westreners personal relationship between man and woman is like a drinking tea or eating food. They easily can have that relationship and easily can get rid off it. And the next day will have another one, as simple as that. Choosing a partner is something like a buying clothes, today they choose one, wear it few days, and when it seems that he/she wore the cloth long enough, he/she throws it away (or put in a harderope) and buy another one. That is the western mentality (I am not critisizing anybody, especially you, just stating facts). But the eastern mentality is quite different. The easterner chooses his partner very carefully, he/she checks everything, anything related to him/her - family, society, etc.,etc., That's why I thought that the author of the threads may be not local european (especially western). That's what I think.
And about concept of love which westerners "respect". They abuse it. Sorry for telling but Western love concept is more like to the relationship between animals (even can not reach to that level). They seasonally find each other, get satisfied, and happily leave each other. After some period it repeats, but with different person. No family, or "family" without marriage, bastard children and etc.
Real love is the one after marriage. Love before the marriage is nothing but emotions.
Even in Uzbekistan families built in "love" have more divorce rate (at least the same as) than that of arranged marriages.
As for the other issues like child death rate, uzbeks going abroad to work, standard of living and etc., firstly, they have nothing to do with this topic, second, has nothing to do with arranged and not arranged marriage (is there any marriage in the west at all nowadays?). You can not rise the standard of living by stopping people from making arranged marriage. Or you can not decrease child death rate or unemployment rate by letting people to marry each other with love. They are totally different issues and mixing them is softly saying absurbity.

Thank you for attention.

[atenan]

Dear Black,

Do not be so straigh forward and one sided. You say
The easterner chooses his partner very carefully, he/she checks everything, anything related to him/her - family, society, etc.,etc., but how can this be as wmen nostly get married virgin and men do not have any relations apart from marriage. How can you be sure in your choice after you have no social experience with the othwr sex - I am not telling sexual ( you can do without it) but social, communicational, emotional experience is vital. How can you know this girl is the best since you have not communicated on this topics and levels with others?
By the way - not all easterns are like you. I said I fall in love with a guy I love very much. What I have not said is that he is married:) And I am not:)

[anatoliydaev]

Dear Black,

Do not be so straigh forward and one sided. You say
The easterner chooses his partner very carefully, he/she checks everything, anything related to him/her - family, society, etc.,etc., but how can this be as wmen nostly get married virgin and men do not have any relations apart from marriage. How can you be sure in your choice after you have no social experience with the othwr sex - I am not telling sexual ( you can do without it) but social, communicational, emotional experience is vital. How can you know this girl is the best since you have not communicated on this topics and levels with others?
By the way - not all easterns are like you.
FYI There is no reason to argue with Black. He preretends to be very narrow minded iun this forum.

I said I fall in love with a guy I love very much. What I have not said is that he is married:) And I am not:)
Did you tell him about your feelings? And how did he react?

[lips]

I am so curious, atenan. May I ask about the guy (your husband) that you married? Is he very educated Uzbek? What type of family background did he come from? Are both of you very young people and this is your first love?

I am so sorry to ask very personal question but I am from malaysia and I practise Eastern culture of South East Asian origin. We are Muslim predominant with other races and ethnicities. We have many religions such as Buddhists, Hindus, Christians, Catholics, ethnic beliefs, anismism for indigenious people all living together in harmony. No apartheid practice like South Africa, very safe politics here. On top of that the government is open and good to the people.
Please enlighten me Uzbek people and atenan.
Thank you for your time.

Sincerely,
Lips

[Black]

Dear Black,

Do not be so straigh forward and one sided. You say
The easterner chooses his partner very carefully, he/she checks everything, anything related to him/her - family, society, etc.,etc., but how can this be as wmen nostly get married virgin and men do not have any relations apart from marriage. How can you be sure in your choice after you have no social experience with the othwr sex - I am not telling sexual ( you can do without it) but social, communicational, emotional experience is vital. How can you know this girl is the best since you have not communicated on this topics and levels with others?
By the way - not all easterns are like you. I said I fall in love with a guy I love very much. What I have not said is that he is married:) And I am not:)
Dear atenan,

When I talked eastern/western I was talking about general situation. Of course, I know that there are differenet people in any nation. I had no intention to critisize westerners. I just stated the facts which we all know. Of course it is up to them how to live and how to choose marriage partner.
Although I have nothing against arranged marriage (actually I do support it) I am against forced marriage. Note that there is big difference between arranged and forced marriage. As for the experience, easterners rely on the experiences of their older relatives and friends and etc. The arranged marriage is not as bad as westerners think. It is quite good thing, unless it has been put to your head from childhood than "arranged marriage is ugly middly ages practice and etc."
Anyways, it was good talk to you. I just wanted to express what I think (thinking aloud), not to change somebody's mind or to critisize somebody.

As for the guy you fall in love, if you really want to be with him, (as long as he is married) you can be his second wife - polygamy is allowed for muslims. I don't like people who have out-of-marriage relationship or relationship with a married person. The lowest person is who makes others (like a wife who finds out of her husband having out-of-marriage relationship)to suffer for his/her own desires.

That's what I think.

[atenan]

It was not my love story that I wanted to discuss here . It was the image of the country. O K I mentioned the relationship but I am not going to discuss it or show it. Firstly - because it is rather personal, secondly - because I saw this idea of - tell how it is to get to know men in Uzbekistan, or - we use others' experience. Everything is personal and each time relationships are different. Knowing about mine will not enlarge neither your view point nor your experience... it cen only give ideas and modela that are not always suitable and true

[FREEMAN]

atenan the guy u love he seems like a calm person as usual uzbek , but after marriage we hit wives. u have a chance that u r not his wife :)

uzbek men love beat and hit wives. it is our hobby :D

[The Reaper]

Dear forumers,

I got interested in Uzbekistan some year ago and what was my dismay to find so many bad words and facts and complains about your country in the forums.
The story is as follows:
I met a guy from Uzbekistan - an uzbek, whom I fall in love. He was such a nice person - intelligent, good, kind, calm and tollerant, tender and love giving. He was more han anyone from all Europe I have met. And it was my love for him that made me get interesting in your country. And all I find in the forums are bitter words about the country, about poverty and social problems. I was quite schocked to find uzbeks beat and treat badly their wives. I can not even imagine such one a thing for the guy I met ( even not for his colleagues whom I barely know but still I find nice guys). What I have from him is a nice idea of your country, nice idea of your people. Ok He lives in Tashkent and I have never been there but still. And I can not believe there are salaries of 10$ as this is the sum he paid last time we saw each other for a Coca cola and a beer - in Europe it was.
Anyway what I wanted to see is - believe in yourselves and be proud of yourselves because I have never ever met such a person as this uzbek guy and maybe there are a lot of people like him in Uzbekistan and so you should be proud of yourselves.

Bless you

I don't mean to offend you, but the part of the message that I boldened, is so confusing it just blew my mind. No logic, no thought transition, and no cohesion.

Oh man, my head is about to explode.

1) Be proud of yourself? Yeah, thank you. Wow, I wish we came up with it before.
2) Your friend is a good guy? Good for you.
3) Uzbeks beat their wives? No, BAD HUSBANDS beat their wives.
4) Most importantly, what does your love interest have to do with the forum posts re: Uzbekistan, or domestic abuse?? Am I missing something here?? :?

TR