Хиджаб - юридическая сторона дела

[Rashit]

Поговорим немного отвлеченно об одной нерелигиозной теме:
Года 2 назад по УзТв показывали пойманного с поличным преподавателя одного из вузов. Он занимался махинациями с абитурьентами: Вместо абитурьентов заходили на экзамен сильные по знаниям студенты. Как все это делалось:
В паспотр абитурьента аккуратно вставлялась фото сильного студента, который сдавал за абитурьента экзамен.

Причем сдесь хиджаб?

А при том, что если допустим у нас как в европе разрешат фоткаться на документы в хиджабах размер вышеуказанных нарушений увеличится в разы: там поймали эту шайку из за того что в паспорт нельзя хорошо вставить фото. и обман был легко обнаружен А если в паспортах разрешат фото в хиджабе то эта проблема уйдет сама собой - скажет - это я, просто рожу отъела или наоборот похудела - в хиджабах девушки почти на одно лицо. А без хиджаба это трудно почти невозможно доказать.

Как вы относитесь к тому чтоб запретить фотографироваться на официальные документы в хиджабах?

[lost]

Tot kto schitayet sebya musulmaninom ne doljen bit protiv hijaba
Vse ostalnoye fignya.


voted for: Другое мнение: a seymichki pochyom, xolya?

[Sayyoh]

А если в паспортах разрешат фото в хиджабе то эта проблема уйдет сама собой - скажет - это я, просто рожу отъела или наоборот похудела - в хиджабах девушки почти на одно лицо. А без хиджаба это трудно и почти невозможно доказать а что, до сих женщин различали по размеру и форме ушей?..

п.с. за "рожу" ответишь...

п.п.с. а почему нет варианта "а не бесполезный ли эатот тред?"?

[Alouddin]

wot ty daesh, RAshit! :lool:

wopros polla "Как Вы относитесь к тому, чтоб запретить фоткаться женщинам в хиджабах на документы?"

a w tekste posta "А если в паспортах разрешат фото в хиджабе то эта проблема уйдет сама собой"

mldah! :) ili u tebya tam (w golowe) polnaya kasha ili ya otstal ot jizni i ne ponimayu takih zaumnih weshey...

p/s ksta, wopros zwuchit "Как Вы относитесь к тому, чтоб запретить фоткаться [...]" a chto, eto razreshali? ya sprashiwayu bez zadnih misley, ya ne iz Uzb...

[Black]

Veru funny. LOL, denying people to put photos with hijab because someone else can enter to exams instead of her. LOOOOL. What age are you Rashit?

I voted for "durnoe mnenie" bacause I have never seen such a stupid comparison, lack of brain function or brain dysfunction in other words (no offence, just my impressions).
By the way, it is very interesting and discusting to note that atheists in this forum try to "discuss" Islamic values and laws which they have no knowledge of. This is the future of Uzbeks unfrotunately. Denying others rights under false precautions.
You can not stop people entering exams instead of others by not letting muslimas to be photografed with hijab for passport. You have to solve other issue, other social problems. People will find out the ways to take exams for others even if you make them come to exams nude. Either you do not know Uzbeks, or you are using false precations to denying muslimas their rights.

[lost]

being turned on from current thread, i am thinking of opening a new thread about hijab prohibition benefits:

in reading green book and watching tv simultaneously
in breathing from 5 pm till 6:30 pm
in drinking milk (without heating!!!!:shock: )
for rescuing lives of african elephants
for the sake of antiislamists
and in other important areas.


wish me luck guys, wish me luck...
I will definitely need it

[Alouddin]

What to Do If…
You feel depressed, frustrated, and miserabsle, and you’re losing self-confidence due to friends’ rejection, criticism, and mistreatment after your decision to wear the hijab?





 Stick to Almighty Allah’s order to wear hijab. Following Almighty Allah’s order must have priority over any other order. At the same time be patient regardless of the hardships you may encounter, bearing in mind that true believers are always tested.
 While striving steadfastly to be respected, accepted and well-treated by your surrounding community, do not forget that Almighty Allah is on your side and will support you till the result is for the good of Islam and the Muslims, Allah willing. Almighty Allah says: [And those who strive in Our (cause), We will certainly guide them to our Paths: For verily Allah is with those who do right] (Al-`Ankabut 29:69).
 Stop worrying about the looks you get from the people. Then you will feel comfortable because whenever you pay attention to everyone around you and become obsessed with what those people must be thinking about the hijab, you will feel uncomfortable and even sick from worry.
 You need to decide how important it is to you to observe a commandment of Allah the Most High even if it means that you will receive strange looks. Once you decide with conviction that it is more important for you to observe the hijab because wearing hijab pleases Allah the Most High, you will actually find yourself being able to walk with confidence.
 Sister, return curious glances with a saluting smile; return an insult here or there, a negative comment, or ridiculing with firm, steadfast but still polite eye contact. Then move on and thank Allah the Most High that you are holding firmly to your belief, in an atmosphere that does not encourage you to do that

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What to Do If…
You are banned by your school administration from wearing the hijab. What then?

 If you are living in a country where the debate surrounding the hijab issue in schools has been going on lately, then try, together with some other girls facing the same challenge, to do your best to pressure public opinion to change the law that banned hijab in schools. Be mindful that banning hijab is a challenge to your identity in that country. However, whatever steps you take throughout your struggle, you must apply wisdom and be legally aware.
Here are some practical steps toward changing your country’s public opinion:
• Exert pressure on the government by using all constitutional and legal means to get the unjust law changed.
• Keep the issue alive in the media.
• Forge alliances inside and outside your country to cooperate in fighting for human rights. Unify the community on beneficial goals and projects that are relevant to the time and place, and thus project a common front.
• Pray to Allah to help us remain steadfast in our struggle for truth and justice and to grant victory in all our endeavors.


What to Do If…
You decided to take real actions against the hijab ban in your country. What next?

 Know your rights in a democracy and learn the language of the people to speak for your rights in a democracy.
 Get out of your cocoons and be part of the wider community so that others know that you are not against them and so that they come to see you for what you are: law-abiding citizens who believe in freedom, dignity, and respect for everyone.
 Let your masjids become part of the wider community instead of being obsessed with rituals and dogmas that have no relevance to the life of the people. Let the pulpit reflect the life-changing vision of Islam and the realities of people’s lives.
 Join hands with all peace-loving citizens for common purposes. Enlist their support in this struggle to protect the freedom to practice your religion.
 Master the media and communications so that your message is conveyed to everyone.
 Last but not least, trust in Allah and struggle for truth and justice, for that is what life is all about. Life, for those who are true to their faith, is all about struggle; we rest only in the next world. As the Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) told his beloved daughter when he was on his deathbed, “After today, all toils of your father are over!”

What to Do If…
Your boss at work does not allow you to wear hijab. What should you do?

 The Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) said, “There is no obedience to anyone in disobedience to Allah.” In other words, you are not bound to obey your boss if he orders you to disobey Allah.
 Since wearing hijab is a religious requirement in Islam, you are allowed to exercise this right in your work place. Wearing hijab is part and parcel of the Muslim woman’s religious and personal freedom. The observance of such freedoms is prescribed in modern constitutions, international agreements, and the Declaration of Human Rights. Your boss is not allowed to discriminate against you on that ground or force you to take off your hijab. If he does so, he is violating the laws of the land. This must be made clear to him.
 As a Muslimah, therefore, you should never compromise your principles. If you cannot handle this issue by yourself, you may do well to get a letter from the Council on American-Islamic Relations if you are living in the United States or Canada, or refer to the directory to find support organizations that may help you in your case. Sending your boss a firm and clear message that what he is asking is a violation of law is usually enough to bring some sense to him.

What to Do If…
Your mother or father is badgering you continuously to take off your hijab. What should you do?

 One thing must be clear; you are never allowed to be rude or impolite to your parents regardless of how harsh or hurtful their attitude towards you may be. Rather, you should show through practical examples that you still love them; speak to them gently and act kindly.
 Bear hurtful words patiently; deal with them as Allah tells us to deal with the hurtful words of the ignorant ones: [When the ignorant address them, they walk away from them saying, “Peace”] (Al-Furqan 25:63).
 Reinforce your determination to follow the truth by thinking of the transient nature of this world, and never lose sight of the fact that our final destination is meeting Allah in the next world.
 Let remembrance of Allah (dhikr) be your constant companion. It will lessen your burden and give you joy and soothe your ailing heart.
 Remind yourself continually about the struggles and sacrifices of the Messengers of Allah. It would be a good idea to read Surat Yusuf reflectively, as it embodies the constant struggle between truth and falsehood.
 Use every opportunity to speak to your parents gently and persuasively to convince them of their wrong attitude. If they do not listen, don’t give up praying to Allah to open their hearts and guide them to the truth.
 Do your best to be an example of modesty and decent behavior, all of which are extensions of a person wearing hijab. Perhaps through your struggle and steadfastness and the guidance from Allah the Most High, your parents’ attitudes may change. But do not become sad or disappointed if they do not.
 Parents—especially those with a non-Western background—put great emphasis on their children’s obedience. Be obedient in all other aspects, except when it comes to disobeying the rules of Allah.
 Try to get closer to your parents. Spend time in strengthening your relationship with them, especially your mother. Remember, people usually respond positively to requests of people they love and are strongly attached to. Ask her about her opinion in your choice of colors, shoes, dresses, and so on. Maybe she just wants to be sure that you stay well dressed and elegant. Or she may just be afraid that you won’t have any chance to marry one day, so explore her reasons for disapproving and try to tackle them by displaying real examples from your environment, but do not argue with her. Of course, this might be the crux of the problem and your mother might not think it is obligatory. Still, you should not argue with her or with your father. Respect them at all times. Choose a suitable time when she is calm and share the idea with her so that you show your belief that hijab is obligatory.
 Finally, think about all other creative ways of persuading them like turning to someone who is more knowledgeable to talk to them or giving them a book that explains this issue.

[Delf]

Поговорим немного отвлеченно об одной нерелигиозной теме:
Года 2 назад по УзТв показывали пойманного с поличным преподавателя одного из вузов. Он занимался махинациями с абитурьентами: Вместо абитурьентов заходили на экзамен сильные по знаниям студенты. Как все это делалось:
В паспотр абитурьента аккуратно вставлялась фото сильного студента, который сдавал за абитурьента экзамен.

Причем сдесь хиджаб?

А при том, что если допустим у нас как в европе разрешат фоткаться на документы в хиджабах размер вышеуказанных нарушений увеличится в разы: там поймали эту шайку из за того что в паспорт нельзя хорошо вставить фото. и обман был легко обнаружен А если в паспортах разрешат фото в хиджабе то эта проблема уйдет сама собой - скажет - это я, просто рожу отъела или наоборот похудела - в хиджабах девушки почти на одно лицо. А без хиджаба это трудно почти невозможно доказать.

Как вы относитесь к тому чтоб запретить фотографироваться на официальные документы в хиджабах?

А как насчет корейцев? Они и без хиджаба все на одно лицо :laugh:

Вообще-то, я сомневаюсь, что существует проблема насчет фотографий с хиджабом. Вот если бы фоткались с чучваном - тогда ясное дело.

Delf.

[Abu Hurayra]

Qanday kiyinish har bir kishining haqqi-huquqi.

Ertaga o'lib ketadigan, To'rtta Beshta Bemiyyalarni yozgan qog'oziga bo'ysunish kerakmi? yoki Butun Olamlaru-ularning ichidagi mavjudotlarni yaratgan zot Allohni buyrug'iga itoat etish kerakmi?


PS: Shirkdan qo'rqish kerak!, Bizning bu yerdagi ovoz berishimiz natijasi qanday bo'lishidan qat'iy nazar, Bu boradagi Allohni hukmi o'zgarmagan va o'zgarmaydi!

[Abdug'ofur]

Qanday kiyinish har bir kishining haqqi-huquqi.

Ertaga o'lib ketadigan, To'rtta Beshta Bemiyyalarni yozgan qog'oziga bo'ysunish kerakmi? yoki Butun Olamlaru-ularning ichidagi mavjudotlarni yaratgan zot Allohni buyrug'iga itoat etish kerakmi?


PS: Shirkdan qo'rqish kerak!, Bizning bu yerdagi ovoz berishimiz natijasi qanday bo'lishidan qat'iy nazar, Bu boradagi Allohni hukmi o'zgarmagan va o'zgarmaydi!

Haq gap!

P.S: "thank you" yuboradigan icon qayerda? Menga ko'rinmayapti...

[Abdug'ofur]

Alouddingayam katta rahmat!

[Alesser]

aytmoqchi bugan gaplarni deyarklik hammasini yuqorida dustlarimiz aytib utibdi:)...
kecha darsda utirib Hudo haqida savol bup qoldi... hamma birma bir javob berishdi, bittasi hudo oq odam desa, ikkinchisi hudo jigarrang, bugdoyrang deydi, uchinchisi hudo qora tanli deydi (Nauzubillah)... ularni gaplarini eshitib Musulmon qilib quygan Yaratganga shukur qildim, ohiri menga navbat kelganda men Allohni tasvirlashga bandasi ojiz, Alloh uzini qiyosafasini hech qaerda yaratmagan desam, sen Hudoni tasvirini qandayligini bilmasdan turib qanday ishonasan deydi... bunaqa fikrlaydiganlardan odam yana nimayam kutish mumkin?!

[Abdug'ofur]

U odamga "Ixlos" surasini o'qib bermabsizda...

[Alesser]

U odamga "Ixlos" surasini o'qib bermabsizda...
Inshalloh, lek qalbi muhrlab quyilganlarga ta'sir qilishi juda mushkul:( ... huddi agdarib quyilgan stakanga uhshidi, tagi osmonga qarab ochiq tomoni yerga qartib agdarib quyilgani uchun hech narsa quyib yoki kirgizib bumedi... ularni qalbiniyam shu agdarib quyilgan stakanga uhshataman...

[Hard]

http://www.crimean.org/islam/Biblioteka/Knigi/Koran.chm
Коран в электронном виде: на арабском и русском языках.

[MirzoBobur]

Tavba qildim, menimcha bu kishi bu pollni xitoy, yoki rus yoshlari forumiga qo'ymoqchi bo'lganu, adashib bu erga qo'yib qo'yibdi.

Ko'zingizni oching birodar, har narsadan bahona topmang

[UzLand]

Since men are not the ones to wear hijab, can we let women speak for themselves?