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Shokirbek
07-31-2006, 03:28 AM
Yaqinda "Ag'lul Najjor" (mashhur islomiy falakiyot olimi) va bir teleko'rsatuv xodimi orasida kechgan bir suhbatni ko'rib qoldim. Unda gap Qur'onda kelgan mo'jizalar yangi ilm-fan orqali tasdiqlanayotgani haqida borar edi.
TV xodimi olimdan "Qamar" surasida kelgan (1-oyat) "Qiyomat yaqinlashdi, oy (ikkiga) bo'lindi" oyati haqida so'radi:
- Ilm-fan oyda bo'linish yuz berganini isbotladimi?
- Bu oyat borasida men bilan bir yigit orasida juda qiziq voqea yuz bergan.
Bundan bir yildan oshiqroq vaqt ilgari Britaniya g'arbida joylashgan Kardive (yoki Cardive, bilganlar to'g'rilab yuborsinlar) universiteti, tib Kulliyotida (fakultetida) shu borada dars berayotgan edim. Hozir bo'lganlar turli toifadagi kishilar bo'lib, musulmon bo'lmagan, boshqa dinga mansub bo'lganlar ham oz emas edi. Men Qur'onda kelgan ilm-fan kashfiyotlari haqida gapirar ekanman, odamlar orasidan bir musulmon yigit turib:
"Domla, "Qiyomat yaqinlashdi, oy (ikkiga) bo'lindi" oyatida ham o'sha ilmiy mo'jizalardan birini ko'rasizmi?" deb so'rab qoldi. Men:
"Yo'q, Chunki ilmiy mo'jizani ilm-fan tafsir qiladi, izohlaydi. Ammo mo'jizalar esa, ular Rosululloh (s.a.v) berilgan favqulodda ishlar bo'lib, uni zamonaviy ilm-fan izohlashga ojizlik qiladi. Bu mo'jiza Rosululloh (s.a.v) haq payg'ambar ekanligiga guvoh bo'lib, uni qo'llab-quvvatlash uchun Olloh tomonidan berilgan (boshqa mo'jizala kabi) favqulodda, g'ayritabiiy bir ishdir. Bordiyu, ushbu xabar Qur'oni Karimda hamda ishonchli hadis manbalarida kelmaganda bunga iymon
keltirish bizga vojib bo'lmagan edi. Biz musulmonlar ushbu xabar Qur'on va Sunnatda kelgani uchun bunga aniq iymonimiz bor" deb javob berib turganimda yana bir yigit (bunisi o'sha asli Britaniyaliklar shaklidagi kishi edi) o'rnidan turdi va:
"Ustoz, so'zingizga ozgina qo'shimcha kiritishga ruxsat berasizmi?" dedi. Mendan tasdiq alomatini olib so'zida davom etdi:
"Men Dovud Muso Pitkock (qulog'imga shunday eshitildi, marhamat qilib bilganlar tag'in tuzatib yuborsinlar) Britaniyadagi Islomiy partiyaning raisi bo'laman. Men ilgari haqiqat izlab yuruvchi bir odam edim. Har xil dinlar haqida o'qir, ularning qay biri haq din ekanligini bilmoq uchun tinmay izlanishda edim. Kunlardan bir kun bir musulmon yigit menga Qur'onning inglizcha tarjimasini hadya qildi. Unga rahmat aytib, uyga kelgach Qur'onni qo'lga oldim. Birinchi ko'zim tushgan oyat xuddi shu "Qiyomat yaqinlashdi, oy (ikkiga) bo'lindi" degan oyati bo'ldi.
O'qidimu, "Tovba, shu ham gap bo'ldimi...Oy ikkiga bo'linib, yana qaytib qo'shilib ketishi aqlga sig'adimi?!" deb, Qur'ondan hafsalam pir bo'ldiyu, kutubxonamning bir chetiga tashladim. Qaytib Qur'onga qarashga menda rag'bat qolmagan edi... Men o'z ishlarim bilan band ekanman, biroq biror vaqt bo'lsa ham izlanishdan qolmagan edim, bu izlanishdagi ixlosim yolg'iz Yaratganga ayon edi...
Kunlardan bir kun... Teleekran qarshisida o'tirar ekanman, kanallardan birida bir
Britaniyalik jurnalist telereportyor bilan uchta amerikalik fazo olimlari o'rtasidagi suhbatni ko'rib qoldim... Jurnalist dunyoda pullarga shunchalik ehtiyoj bor bo'lib turgan bir mahalda fazogirlikka sarflanayotgan xayoliy, aqlga sig'mas mablag'lar haqida gapirib ularni malomat qilayotgan edi. Ular o'z navbatida bu sarflanayotgan pullar evaziga kelayotgan foydalar haqida gapirar edilar. Shu suhbat davomida insonning birinchi bor oyga qadam qo'yishi haqida so'z borib, fazoga qilinayotgan safarlarning eng qimmatga tushganlaridan biri ekanligi
haqida gap ketdi... 100 000 000 000 dollardan oshiqroq pul sarf bo'lgan ekan... Shunda ularga qarata jurnalist: "Bu nima ahmoqgarchilik?! Amerika bayrog'ini oyga qadash uchun shuncha pul?!!" deb qichqirib yubordi... Ular keskin javob berishdi:
"Yo'q! Faqat bayroqni tikish emas edi maqsad! Oy tarkibini o'rganish edi asosiy maqsad! Keyin oyga chiqqanda shunday bir ylkan haqiqatga duch keldikki, agar oyga chiqilmaganida, bu pullarning necha barobarini sarflasakda, ushbu haqiqatni tasdiq qilishga insonlarni ishontira olmagan bo'lar edik!! Biz (ya'ni fazogirlarimiz) oyga chiqqanda oyning belini bog'lab turgan g'alati quyilgan toshlarga o'xshagan narsalarga duch keldik... Ushbu moddalarni yerga yuborib olimlar yordamida shunday aniq xulosaga keldik: Oy kunlarning birida ikkiga bo'linib, yana qayta qo'shilgan!!"

Gap shu yerga kelganda men TV yonidan qichqirib, hayajon bilan o'rnimdan turib ketdim... "1400 yil ilgari bu mo'jizani aytib ketgan Qur'on Haq bo'lmasligi mumkin emas!" degan qat'iy ishonch paydo bo'lib, yana burchakda yotgan Qur'onni (Ollohing kalomining tarjimasini) qo'lga oldim hamda musulmon bo'ldim... "
Ushbu hikoyani osha muhtaram domla Zag'lul Najjordan (TV orqali) eshitar ekanman, hidoyat Olloh qo'lida ekanligiga yana bir karra iymon keltirib o'tiribman. Zero, o'sha TV ko'rsatuv ro'parasida o'tirmaganda Qur'onga butunlay qaytmasmidi... Lekin haqiqiy izlangan odamni hech qachon Olloh ora yo'lda tashlab qo'ymaydi...

"Bizning yo'limizda jiddu-jahd qilganlarni, albatta, O'z yo'llarimizga hidoyat qilamiz. Albatta, Olloh muhsinlar - ezguliklar qiluvchilar bilan birgadir" (Ankabut-69).

Black
08-02-2006, 03:42 AM
Kardive bu Cardiff (Uels poytahti) universiteti bo'lsa kerak. Britaniya g'arbida joylashgan.

Ulug'bek
08-02-2006, 08:33 AM
Oyning payg’ambarimiz Makkada bo’lgan zamonda ikkiga bo’linganligi bu - mutlaq ko’pchilik ulamolar qarashidir, bu ma’noda bir necha sahih hadislar ham bor (bazilar hatto mutavotirligini da'vo qilishgan). Muqotildan rivoyat qilinishicha (Tafsirul Xozinda), Alusiy esa Ruhul-Maoniyda (27j, 75b) takidlashicha bu 2ga bo’linish juda qisqa muddatdan keyin qayta birlashgan. Tabaroniyning bazi rivoyatlarida (al-Mu'jam al-Kabiyrda) esa bu bo’linish qissasi o’rniga oyning tutilishi keltiriladi. Ibn Oshur hadisning sahihligidan kelib chiqib, qanday tushunilishi lozimligida gapirarkan aytib o’tgan ehtimollardan biri ham shudir. Yana bir ehtimolda u, Oy bilan Yer o’rtasidan yulduzlar tizimining o’tishi va shu sabab Yerdan qarovchilarga Oy, 2ga bo’lingandek ko’rinishini aytib o’tadi (al-Tahrir val-Tanvirga qarang).

Shunga qaramasdan, bu masalada boshqacha fikrdagi ulamolar ham bor. Masalan, Hasan al-Basriy, Ata', Abul lais Samarqandiy, va nomlari keltirilmagan ( Izzuddin Abdus-Salam o'shalardan biri bo'lishi mumkin) boshqalarning (Shavkoniyning Fathul Qadiyri, al-Samarqandiyning Bahrul-Ulumi, Izzuddin Abdus-Salamning Tafsiriga qarang) Qamar surasidagi bu oyatni o’zgacha tafsir qilganlar. Avvalgi ikki salaf olimlari va al-Samarqandiy bu bo’linish qiyomat kunida ro’y berishini aytsalar, qolganlari oyatni majoziy manoda deb bilib, bo’linishdan maqsad – zulmatning oy chiqishi bilan uzoqlashuvi yoki haqiqatnng ravshanlashuvi deb sharh berishgan. Hasan al-Basriy o’z qarashlarini (al-Movardiyning al-Nukat val-Uyuniga qarang) asoslab quyidagilarni aytadilar :’’Chunki, haqiqatdan ham oy jismonan 2ga bo’lingan bo’lganda (ya’ni hadislardagi kabi demoqchilar, menimcha), hamma odamlar ko’rgan bo’lardilar, sababi, bunday narsalar Allohning insonlar uchun mujizasi bo’lgan bulur edi va bunda hamma insonlar barobardir!’’ (Ya’ni U kishi, bu voqeaning o’sha paytdagi, musulmon bo’lmagan turli xalqlar tomonidan kuzatilmaganligi va turli ilmiy manbalarda qayd qilinmasligi- bu voqea haqidagi hadislarning Payg'ambarimizga noto’g’ri nisbat berilganligini anglatadi demoqchidek).

Qolaversa, Alusiy Ruhul-Maoniyda (27j, 77b) oyning jismonan 2ga bo’linishini inkor qilgan kishini kufrga nisbat berilmasligini, chunki bu hadislarning mutavotirligiga kelishilmaganligi va oyatning o’zi aynan jismonan bo’linishning o’tmishda bo’lganligiga dalolat qilmasligini aytadi.

ps. Yuqoridagi qisqa izlanish natijalari, hurmatli Shokirbek yozuviga bog'liq qo'shimcha ma'lumot sifatida joylashtirildi.

Yaqinda "Ag'lul Najjor" (mashhur islomiy falakiyot olimi) va bir teleko'rsatuv xodimi orasida kechgan bir suhbatni ko'rib qoldim. Unda gap Qur'onda kelgan mo'jizalar yangi ilm-fan orqali tasdiqlanayotgani haqida borar edi. TV xodimi olimdan "Qamar" surasida kelgan (1-oyat) "Qiyomat yaqinlashdi, oy (ikkiga) bo'lindi" oyati haqida so'radi:
- Ilm-fan oyda bo'linish yuz berganini isbotladimi?
- Bu oyat borasida men bilan bir yigit orasida juda qiziq voqea yuz bergan.
Bundan bir yildan oshiqroq vaqt ilgari Britaniya g'arbida joylashgan Kardive (yoki Cardive, bilganlar to'g'rilab yuborsinlar) universiteti, tib Kulliyotida (fakultetida) shu borada dars berayotgan edim. Hozir bo'lganlar turli toifadagi kishilar bo'lib, musulmon bo'lmagan, boshqa dinga mansub bo'lganlar ham oz emas edi. Men Qur'onda kelgan ilm-fan kashfiyotlari haqida gapirar ekanman, odamlar orasidan bir musulmon yigit turib:
"Domla, "Qiyomat yaqinlashdi, oy (ikkiga) bo'lindi" oyatida ham o'sha ilmiy mo'jizalardan birini ko'rasizmi?" deb so'rab qoldi. Men:
"Yo'q, Chunki ilmiy mo'jizani ilm-fan tafsir qiladi, izohlaydi. Ammo mo'jizalar esa, ular Rosululloh (s.a.v) berilgan favqulodda ishlar bo'lib, uni zamonaviy ilm-fan izohlashga ojizlik qiladi. Bu mo'jiza Rosululloh (s.a.v) haq payg'ambar ekanligiga guvoh bo'lib, uni qo'llab-quvvatlash uchun Olloh tomonidan berilgan (boshqa mo'jizala kabi) favqulodda, g'ayritabiiy bir ishdir. Bordiyu, ushbu xabar Qur'oni Karimda hamda ishonchli hadis manbalarida kelmaganda bunga iymon
keltirish bizga vojib bo'lmagan edi. Biz musulmonlar ushbu xabar Qur'on va Sunnatda kelgani uchun bunga aniq iymonimiz bor" deb javob berib turganimda yana bir yigit (bunisi o'sha asli Britaniyaliklar shaklidagi kishi edi) o'rnidan turdi va:
"Ustoz, so'zingizga ozgina qo'shimcha kiritishga ruxsat berasizmi?" dedi. Mendan tasdiq alomatini olib so'zida davom etdi:
"Men Dovud Muso Pitkock (qulog'imga shunday eshitildi, marhamat qilib bilganlar tag'in tuzatib yuborsinlar) Britaniyadagi Islomiy partiyaning raisi bo'laman. Men ilgari haqiqat izlab yuruvchi bir odam edim. Har xil dinlar haqida o'qir, ularning qay biri haq din ekanligini bilmoq uchun tinmay izlanishda edim. Kunlardan bir kun bir musulmon yigit menga Qur'onning inglizcha tarjimasini hadya qildi. Unga rahmat aytib, uyga kelgach Qur'onni qo'lga oldim. Birinchi ko'zim tushgan oyat xuddi shu "Qiyomat yaqinlashdi, oy (ikkiga) bo'lindi" degan oyati bo'ldi.
O'qidimu, "Tovba, shu ham gap bo'ldimi...Oy ikkiga bo'linib, yana qaytib qo'shilib ketishi aqlga sig'adimi?!" deb, Qur'ondan hafsalam pir bo'ldiyu, kutubxonamning bir chetiga tashladim. Qaytib Qur'onga qarashga menda rag'bat qolmagan edi... Men o'z ishlarim bilan band ekanman, biroq biror vaqt bo'lsa ham izlanishdan qolmagan edim, bu izlanishdagi ixlosim yolg'iz Yaratganga ayon edi...
Kunlardan bir kun... Teleekran qarshisida o'tirar ekanman, kanallardan birida bir
Britaniyalik jurnalist telereportyor bilan uchta amerikalik fazo olimlari o'rtasidagi suhbatni ko'rib qoldim... Jurnalist dunyoda pullarga shunchalik ehtiyoj bor bo'lib turgan bir mahalda fazogirlikka sarflanayotgan xayoliy, aqlga sig'mas mablag'lar haqida gapirib ularni malomat qilayotgan edi. Ular o'z navbatida bu sarflanayotgan pullar evaziga kelayotgan foydalar haqida gapirar edilar. Shu suhbat davomida insonning birinchi bor oyga qadam qo'yishi haqida so'z borib, fazoga qilinayotgan safarlarning eng qimmatga tushganlaridan biri ekanligi
haqida gap ketdi... 100 000 000 000 dollardan oshiqroq pul sarf bo'lgan ekan... Shunda ularga qarata jurnalist: "Bu nima ahmoqgarchilik?! Amerika bayrog'ini oyga qadash uchun shuncha pul?!!" deb qichqirib yubordi... Ular keskin javob berishdi:
"Yo'q! Faqat bayroqni tikish emas edi maqsad! Oy tarkibini o'rganish edi asosiy maqsad! Keyin oyga chiqqanda shunday bir ylkan haqiqatga duch keldikki, agar oyga chiqilmaganida, bu pullarning necha barobarini sarflasakda, ushbu haqiqatni tasdiq qilishga insonlarni ishontira olmagan bo'lar edik!! Biz (ya'ni fazogirlarimiz) oyga chiqqanda oyning belini bog'lab turgan g'alati quyilgan toshlarga o'xshagan narsalarga duch keldik... Ushbu moddalarni yerga yuborib olimlar yordamida shunday aniq xulosaga keldik: Oy kunlarning birida ikkiga bo'linib, yana qayta qo'shilgan!!"

Gap shu yerga kelganda men TV yonidan qichqirib, hayajon bilan o'rnimdan turib ketdim... "1400 yil ilgari bu mo'jizani aytib ketgan Qur'on Haq bo'lmasligi mumkin emas!" degan qat'iy ishonch paydo bo'lib, yana burchakda yotgan Qur'onni (Ollohing kalomining tarjimasini) qo'lga oldim hamda musulmon bo'ldim... "



Ushbu hikoyani osha muhtaram domla Zag'lul Najjordan (TV orqali) eshitar ekanman, hidoyat Olloh qo'lida ekanligiga yana bir karra iymon keltirib o'tiribman. Zero, o'sha TV ko'rsatuv ro'parasida o'tirmaganda Qur'onga butunlay qaytmasmidi... Lekin haqiqiy izlangan odamni hech qachon Olloh ora yo'lda tashlab qo'ymaydi...

"Bizning yo'limizda jiddu-jahd qilganlarni, albatta, O'z yo'llarimizga hidoyat qilamiz. Albatta, Olloh muhsinlar - ezguliklar qiluvchilar bilan birgadir" (Ankabut-69).

Akhee-Abdullah
08-02-2006, 04:10 PM
Oyning payg’ambarimiz Makkada bo’lgan zamonda ikkiga bo’linganligi bu - mutlaq ko’pchilik ulamolar qarashidir, bu ma’noda bir necha sahih hadislar ham bor (bazilar hatto mutavotirligini da'vo qilishgan). Muqotildan rivoyat qilinishicha (Tafsirul Xozinda), Alusiy esa Ruhul-Maoniyda (27j, 75b) takidlashicha bu 2ga bo’linish juda qisqa muddatdan keyin qayta birlashgan. Tabaroniyning bazi rivoyatlarida (al-Mu'jam al-Kabiyrda) esa bu bo’linish qissasi o’rniga oyning tutilishi keltiriladi. Ibn Oshur hadisning sahihligidan kelib chiqib, qanday tushunilishi lozimligida gapirarkan aytib o’tgan ehtimollardan biri ham shudir. Yana bir ehtimolda u, Oy bilan Yer o’rtasidan yulduzlar tizimining o’tishi va shu sabab Yerdan qarovchilarga Oy, 2ga bo’lingandek ko’rinishini aytib o’tadi (al-Tahrir val-Tanvirga qarang).

Shunga qaramasdan, bu masalada boshqacha fikrdagi ulamolar ham bor. Masalan, Hasan al-Basriy, Ata', Abul lais Samarqandiy, va nomlari keltirilmagan ( Izzuddin Abdus-Salam o'shalardan biri bo'lishi mumkin) boshqalarning (Shavkoniyning Fathul Qadiyri, al-Samarqandiyning Bahrul-Ulumi, Izzuddin Abdus-Salamning Tafsiriga qarang) Qamar surasidagi bu oyatni o’zgacha tafsir qilganlar. Avvalgi ikki salaf olimlari va al-Samarqandiy bu bo’linish qiyomat kunida ro’y berishini aytsalar, qolganlari oyatni majoziy manoda deb bilib, bo’linishdan maqsad – zulmatning oy chiqishi bilan uzoqlashuvi yoki haqiqatnng ravshanlashuvi deb sharh berishgan. Hasan al-Basriy o’z qarashlarini (al-Movardiyning al-Nukat val-Uyuniga qarang) asoslab quyidagilarni aytadilar :’’Chunki, haqiqatdan ham oy jismonan 2ga bo’lingan bo’lganda (ya’ni hadislardagi kabi demoqchilar, menimcha), hamma odamlar ko’rgan bo’lardilar, sababi, bunday narsalar Allohning insonlar uchun mujizasi bo’lgan bulur edi va bunda hamma insonlar barobardir!’’ (Ya’ni U kishi, bu voqeaning o’sha paytdagi, musulmon bo’lmagan turli xalqlar tomonidan kuzatilmaganligi va turli ilmiy manbalarda qayd qilinmasligi- bu voqea haqidagi hadislarning Payg'ambarimizga noto’g’ri nisbat berilganligini anglatadi demoqchidek).

Qolaversa, Alusiy Ruhul-Maoniyda (27j, 77b) oyning jismonan 2ga bo’linishini inkor qilgan kishini kufrga nisbat berilmasligini, chunki bu hadislarning mutavotirligiga kelishilmaganligi va oyatning o’zi aynan jismonan bo’linishning o’tmishda bo’lganligiga dalolat qilmasligini aytadi.

ps. Yuqoridagi qisqa izlanish natijalari, hurmatli Shokirbek yozuviga bog'liq qo'shimcha ma'lumot sifatida joylashtirildi.




The Moon was split into 2. No doubt about that.

The punishment of the Grave is also not established in Mutawatir Hadeeth, does that mean we reject it?! Nope, Ahlis Sunnah wal Jamaah take non-Mutawatir hadeeth in Aqeedah matter, as long as it is saheeh.

Believing in moon splitting into 2 is a wajib thing to do.

Proof of that is:

The Hour has drawn near, and the moon has been cleft asunder (the people of Makkah requested Prophet Muhammad SAW to show them a miracle, so he showed them the splitting of the moon). (Al-Qamar 54:1)

And


The people of Mecca asked Allah's Apostle to show them a miracle. So he showed them the moon split in two halves between which they saw the Hiram' mountain. No. 3607 - Narrated Anas bin Malik: Saheeh Bukhari

And

This hadith has been transmitted on the authority of Abdullah b. Mas'ud (who said): We were along with Allaah's Messenger (sallAllaahu alayhi wa sallam) at Mina, that moon was split up into two. One of its parts was behind the mountain and the other one was on this side of the mountain. Allaah's Messenger (sallAllaahu alayhi wa sallam) said to us: Bear witness to this.Saheeh Muslim No. 6725 http://www.sahihmuslim.com/sps/smm/

And Allah knows the Best.

Ulug'bek
08-03-2006, 08:16 AM
Are you saying that Hasan al-Basri, Ata', al-Samarqandi and Izzuddin Abdus-Salam are not form ahlus-sunnah?!

Do you know that one of the commonly accepted measurements in classifying hadiths into accepted and non-accepted is to subject them to other information, that humanity has achieved through various means. This is what scholars mean when they say: Any hadith contradicting ''reality'' based on true observations or historically established facts, etc. is false, even its chain is perfect!
I advice you to read al-manar al-munif by Ibn al-Qayyim, al-kifayah by al-Khateeb and al-mawzuat by Ibn al-jawzi, I hope that you find some of them in english.

Only thing arguable maybe in applying thoses rules on the specific hadith, which on the other hand may differ form time to time as well, as humanity advances in achieving more and more knowledge through new means.

It is wrong to freeze application of certain rules, areas of which are expandable by their nature, depending on the changes occur in their ''variables''!
Although to understand this doesn't require much time or effort, it is a big problem for many today; they keep saying : ''Then why early scholars didn't do that!'' and the answer is ''if they had the same info we have today they would have done it, the rule is their rule only application is ours!''. It must be noted that this only applies areas (i.e. hadiths) where some components are ''variables'' and change takes place indeed!

What I said is a general remark and not necessarily applicable to this particular case, because this requires certain prosedures until it is established that this rule is applicable on it.

ps. As to punishment of the grave, it is indicated in the Qur'anic verse itself, so hadiths in this regard have only explanatory function, although on some issues related to it (for example, how it takes place, on the body or the soul) different opinons were given by scholars.

The Moon was split into 2. No doubt about that.

The punishment of the Grave is also not established in Mutawatir Hadeeth, does that mean we reject it?! Nope, Ahlis Sunnah wal Jamaah take non-Mutawatir hadeeth in Aqeedah matter, as long as it is saheeh.

Believing in moon splitting into 2 is a wajib thing to do.

Proof of that is:
And
And
And Allah knows the Best.

Akhee-Abdullah
08-03-2006, 08:34 AM
Are you saying that Hasan al-Basri, Ata', al-Samarqandi and al-Mowardiy are not form ahlus-sunnah?!

I would never say such a thing. I give precedence to the Statement of Rasul'Allah sal'allahu alayhi wassalam over theirs, as every singly member of Ahlis-Sunnah supposed to.

Do you know that one of the commonly accepted measurements in classifying hadiths into accepted and non-accepted is to subject them to other information, that humanity has achieved through various means. This is what scholars mean when they say: Any hadith contradicting ''reality'' based on true observations or historically established facts, etc. is false, even its chain is perfect!

Absolutely bateel statement!!! If the hadeeth has illah in it that would contradict previously established ahkam or aqidah matters in the Ayats of the Quraan, or Mutawatir Ahadeeth or Saheeh ahadeeth, and a very STRANGE hadeeth, even if that hadeeth is saheeh, then it may not be taken.

Only, Masters and Professionals of the science of hadeeth can delve into that. The matter of splitting of the moon has been well established both in the ayats of the Quraan and saheeh ahadeeth.

Please do not confuse the ignorant, with your limited knowledge of Islaam. Let that matter rest with the Ulemah of Ahlis Sunnaah. I see you deviating from the path of the Ulema of Ahlis Sunnah wal Jamaah.


ps. As to punishment of the grave, it is indicated on the Qur'anic verse itself, so hadiths in this regard have only explanatory function, although on some issues related to it (for example, how it takes place, on the body or the soul) different opinons were given by scholars.

Show me the ayat of the Quraan that clearly mentions the punishment of the Grave!!! If it was clearly mentioned or indicated in the Quraan, you would not have seen Hizbut Tahrir deviating from this noble path of Ahlis Sunnah wal Jamaah. HT denies the punishment of the grave, claiming that they only take Mutawatir Ahadeeth.

Ulug'bek
08-03-2006, 09:57 AM
I would never say such a thing. I give precedence to the Statement of Rasul'Allah sal'allahu alayhi wassalam over theirs, as every singly member of Ahlis-Sunnah supposed to.

Absolutely bateel statement!!! If the hadeeth has illah in it that would contradict previously established ahkam or aqidah matters in the Ayats of the Quraan, or Mutawatir Ahadeeth or Saheeh ahadeeth, and a very STRANGE hadeeth, even if that hadeeth is saheeh, then it may not be taken.

Only, Masters and Professionals of the science of hadeeth can delve into that. The matter of splitting of the moon has been well established both in the ayats of the Quraan and saheeh ahadeeth.

Please do not confuse the ignorant, with your limited knowledge of Islaam. Let that matter rest with the Ulemah of Ahlis Sunnaah. I see you deviating from the path of the Ulema of Ahlis Sunnah wal Jamaah.

Show me the ayat of the Quraan that clearly mentions the punishment of the Grave!!! If it was clearly mentioned or indicated in the Quraan, you would not have seen Hizbut Tahrir deviating from this noble path of Ahlis Sunnah wal Jamaah. HT denies the punishment of the grave, claiming that they only take Mutawatir Ahadeeth.

Too many issues arise here, if I am going explain to you further... I have written few paragraphs and questions first, but then I have erased them, thinking you are not going to grasp them anyway, because these things are much above the basics of this field.
Only useful advice would be to deepen your knowledge deeper than surface and question strongly every thing delivered to you as a part of Islam, pay special attention to how far humanistic ijtihad goes into what is described as part of Islam and what does it mean and what must be your position towards it?

As to ayat you have asked, refer to the tafsir of Ghafir- 46.

Abu Hurayra
08-03-2006, 10:00 AM
Assalamu Alaikum,
First of all Mu'min accepts The verses of Qur'an and Sahih hadith without putting and measuring it with his Material understandings and "science". It shows misstrust and doubt to the Holy sources. We accept it without researching. Later on Science will prove it.
For example till 20th century kafirs-nonbelievers used to laugh at muslims and to the verses of Qur'an that are concerned with medicine, astrology and etc. But later on theirselves discovered that those verses were true indeed. Science is proving the Words ofAllah and words of Prophet Muhammad saw step by step. Thus Allah will be opening those secrets to the humanbeing till judgement day unless they will be Mu'mins.
Here I advice to review this article, hope some brothers will tidy their separated ideas about this case.
Thus there is no doubt in Physical split of the Moon!!!(Wallahu 'alam)


THE MIRACLE OF THE SPLITTING OF THE MOON

In the name of God, the Merciful, the Compassionate

The Hour has approached, and the moon split. But whenever they see a sign, they turn away and say, ‘This is evident magic.’

The miracle of the splitting of the moon was demonstrated before a certain gathering who persisted in denial of Muhammad’s Prophethood. As was related by ‘Adbullah ibn Mas‘ud, while they were in Mina’ one night, the Prophet split the moon into two by a gesture of his index finger. The halves of the moon appeared one behind the mountain and the other in front of it. Then, the Prophet turned to us and said: ‘Be witnesses!’1

The Qur’an refers to this miracle in the following verses:

The Hour has approached, and the moon split. But whenever they see a sign, they turn away and say, ‘This is evident magic’. (al-Qamar, 54.1-2)

Materialist philosophers and their unreasoning imitators, who want to cast a shadow with their vicious delusions over such a bright miracle of the Prophet Muhammad, upon him be peace and blessings, as the splitting of the moon, say: ‘If the splitting of the moon had taken place, it would have been known to the whole world and related in all subsequent books of human history’.

Answer: The splitting of the moon was demonstrated before a certain gathering who contradicted the Prophet Muhammad, upon him be peace and blessings, in his cause as an evidence of his Prophethood. It happened momentarily at a time of night when people were all asleep. Also, there were obstacles which prevented the others from seeing it, such as mist, clouds and time-differences between different parts of the world. Besides, at that time science and civilization were not yet well advanced and not widespread, and, therefore, the observation of the sky was very limited. Last but not least, there was nothing to necessitate that it should have been seen all over the world. It is because of these reasons that the splitting of the moon was not witnessed in the whole world and related in the history books of other nations.

In order to remove such clouds of delusions concerning the miracle of the splitting of the moon, heed the following Five Points:

First point

The extreme stubborness of the unbelievers in the Hijaz at that time is well-known and is recorded in history. When the Qur’an, however, announced this incident to the whole world through its verse, The moon split, not any of those unbelievers, who denied the Qur’an, dared to contradict it in this announcement. If this incident had not occurred before their eyes, they would certainly have taken this verse as a pretext to attack the Prophet more formidably in his cause. However, neither the biographies of the Prophet, nor the books of history report anything to suggest that they denied the occurrence of this incident. What was reported concerning their reaction is as the verse records: They say, ‘This is evident magic’. The unbelievers declared the event to be magic, and they added further that if the caravans in other places had seen it, it truly happened, otherwise the Prophet bewitched them. When, however, the caravans coming the following morning from the Yemen and other places announced that they had witnessed the event, the unbelievers showed their usual reaction, saying,-God forbid!-‘The magic of Abu Talib’s orphan has affected even the heavens!’

Second point

The majority of the foremost scholars of meticulous research such as Sa’d al-Din al-Taftazani concluded that like the flowing of water from the fingers of the Prophet, upon him be peace, and his satisfying the thirst of a whole army with that water, and the grieving of the dry wooden pole-against which the Prophet used to lean while delivering sermons-because of its separation from him, and its being heard by a whole congregation, the splitting of the moon, too, is mutawatir, that is, it has been transmitted by one truthful group at each period to another, forming such a vast community that their agreement on a lie is inconceivable. It is as certain as a famous comet-named Haley-having appeared a thousand years ago, or as the existence of an island which we have not seen but exists. Therefore, it is unreasonable to foster baseless doubts about such certain, witnessed matters. In fact, it is sufficient for their acceptability that they are not impossible. As for the splitting of the moon, it is quite as possible as a mountain’s being split by a volcanic eruption.

Third point

Prophets work miracles to prove their claim of Prophethood and to convince deniers, not to compel belief. Therefore, every miracle had to be, and was, manifested to convince those who heard the claim of Prophethood. So, if they had been demonstrated in a way that could be seen by the whole world or would compel everyone to believe, this would have been contrary both to the wisdom of the All-Wise and the Divine purpose for creating man with free will, and sending religion, which entails that the ground be prepared for the mind’s acceptance without the power of choice being annulled. If, then, the All-Wise Creator had, because materialist philosophers fancy it so, left the moon split for one or two hours in order that it would be seen by the whole world and recorded in all books of human history, then it would have been no more than other astronomical events, without having been special to the Messengership of Muhammad, upon him be peace and blessings, and an evidence of his Prophethood. Or, it would have been such an obvious miracle that everyone would have felt compelled to believe for there would have been left for the will no way but to accept belief in him. This, in turn, would have resulted in that someone with a coal-like spirit like Abu Jahl would have remained at the same level as someone with a diamond-like spirit like Abu Bakr the Truthful, which means that the purpose of the creation of man with a special function and responsibility and the purpose of sending revelation would have been negated. That is why the miracle of the splitting of the moon was not shown to the whole world to be recorded in all books of human history.

Fourth point

Some unreasoning opponents argue that if that incident had taken place, in would have been mentioned in the histories of such nations as the Chinese, the Japanese and Americans. How could they have witnessed it, given that, when this event happened, in addition to other obstacles, it was barely sunset in such European countries as Spain, France and England, which were then enveloped in mists of ignorance, daytime in America and morning in China and Japan. A thousand curses on such toadies and sycophants of Europe!

(In some books there is an additional record that the moon fell to earth after it split into two parts. This was rejected by veracious scholars on account of its being added by a hypocrite who intended to reduce to nothing the value of this evident miracle.)

Abu Hurayra
08-03-2006, 10:04 AM
Fifth point

The splitting of the moon is not an ordinary incident which happened either due to particular causes or randoming so that it should be criticized from the viewpoint of the law of cause and effect. Rather, the All-Wise Creator of the sun and the moon made it happen as an extraordinary event in order to confirm the Prophethood of His Messenger and to support him in his claim. Therefore, it was shown as a convincing proof to certain people specified by Divine Wisdom because, as stated above, the nature of Divine guidance and human responsibility, and the purpose for raising a Messenger required it to be so. If it had not been concealed from the eyes of those who were not intended to see it and who had not yet heard the Prophethood of Muhammad due to some obstacles such as fog, clouds and time-differences, and if had occurred according to the law of cause and effect, then it would have been an ordinary astrological event, not a miracle peculiar to and connected with the Messengership of Muhammad, upon him be peace and blessings.

In conclusion, these arguments must be enough for any mind to be convinced of the possibility that the splitting of the moon occurred; now out of many evidences of its occurrence, we shall mention only six which have the strength of a six-fold consensus:

The Companions of the Prophet, who were all men of justice and truthfulness, concurred upon its occurrence.

All of the exacting interpreters of the Qur’an have agreed that the verse, The moon split indicates to the splitting of the moon with a gesture of Muhammad’s fingers, upon him be peace and blessings.

All the truthful Traditionists narrated this incident through various authentic channels of transmission.

All the men of truth and sainthood, men of inspiration and spiritual discovery have borne testimony to the occurrence of this incident.

All the foremost theologians whose way differ greatly from each other and all the learned scholars have nevertheless agreed in their confirmation of this event.

The Community of Muhammad, upon him be peace and blessings, who, as established by an authentic Prophetic tradition, never agree on an error, have accepted on its occurrence.

These six evidences are as clear as the sun to prove the splitting of the moon.

Conclusion: What we have put forward hitherto on this matter has been to establish the splitting of the moon by way of refuting the objections to the possibility of it. In a few concluding sentences we will now speak in the name of the truth and for the sake of belief. Now it is the turn of the truth to speak:

The Seal of the Prophets, upon him be peace and blessings, who is the luminous moon of the heaven of Messengership, proved his sainthood through his Ascension, which is the greatest miracle of his sainthood achieved through the quality of his worship-so elevated as to make him the beloved of God. In other words, by making Muhammad, an earthly being, travel through the heavens, God showed to the dwellers of the heavens and of the highest realms his superiority to them and his being His beloved. Similarly, through the splitting of the moon, which is set in the sky and bound to the earth, upon the gesture of the same earthly being, another great miracle was demonstrated for the inhabitants of the earth as an evidence of the Messengership of that earthly being. Thus, the Prophet Muhammad, upon him be peace and blessings, flew to the summit of perfections on the two brilliant wings of Messengership and sainthood-like the two bright halves of the moon split into two; he ascended so near as to the distance of two bowstrings-that is, to the highest rank, the nearest station to God-and so became the cause of pride of both the beings of the heavens and the inhabitants of the earth.

Upon him and upon his family be blessings and peace such as to fill the earth and heavens.

Glory be unto You! We have no knowledge save that which You have taught us; indeed, Your are the All-Knowing, All-Wise.



1. Bukhari, Manaqib, 27; Muslim, Kitab Sifat al-Munafiqin wa ahkamihim, 44.

PS:Allah knows the Best!

source: of quoted article (http://www.mohammad-pbuh.com/3/moonsplit.htm)

Abu Hurayra
08-03-2006, 10:19 AM
Related References From Hadithes:

Narrated Abdullah bin Masud: "During the lifetime of the Prophet the moon was split into two parts and on that the Prophet said, 'Bear witness (to thus).' (Translation of Sahih Bukhari, Virtues and Merits of the Prophet (pbuh) and his Companions, Volume 4, Book 56, Number 830)"

Narrated Anas: "That the Meccan people requested Allah's Apostle to show them a miracle, and so he showed them the splitting of the moon. (Translation of Sahih Bukhari, Virtues and Merits of the Prophet (pbuh) and his Companions, Volume 4, Book 56, Number 831)"

Narrated Ibn 'Abbas: "The moon was split into two parts during the lifetime of the Prophet. (Translation of Sahih Bukhari, Virtues and Merits of the Prophet (pbuh) and his Companions, Volume 4, Book 56, Number 832)"

Narrated Anas bin Malik: "The people of Mecca asked Allah's Apostle to show them a miracle. So he showed them the moon split in two halves between which they saw the Hiram' mountain. (Translation of Sahih Bukhari, Merits of the Helpers in Madinah (Ansaar), Volume 5, Book 58, Number 208)"

Narrated 'Abdullah: "The moon was split ( into two pieces ) while we were with the Prophet in Mina. He said, "Be witnesses." Then a Piece of the moon went towards the mountain. (Translation of Sahih Bukhari, Merits of the Helpers in Madinah (Ansaar), Volume 5, Book 58, Number 209)"

Narrated 'Abdullah bin 'Abbas: "During the lifetime of Allah's Apostle the moon was split (into two places). (Translation of Sahih Bukhari, Merits of the Helpers in Madinah (Ansaar), Volume 5, Book 58, Number 210)"

Narrated 'Abdullah: "The moon was split (into two pieces). (Translation of Sahih Bukhari, Merits of the Helpers in Madinah (Ansaar), Volume 5, Book 58, Number 211)"

Narrated Abdullah: "Five things have passed, i.e. the smoke, the defeat of the Romans, the splitting of the moon, Al-Batsha (the defeat of the infidels in the battle of Badr) and Al-Lizam (the punishment)' (Translation of Sahih Bukhari, Prophetic Commentary on the Qur'an (Tafseer of the Prophet (pbuh)), Volume 6, Book 60, Number 345)"

Narrated Abdullah: "Allah sent (the Prophet) Muhammad and said:--

'Say, No wage do I ask of you for this (Qur'an) nor am I one of the pretenders (i.e. a person who pretends things which do not exist). (38.68) When Allah's Apostle saw Quraish standing against him, he said, "O Allah! Help me against them by afflicting them with seven years of famine similar to the seven years (of famine) of Joseph. So they were afflicted with a year of drought that destroyed everything, and they ate bones and hides. (One of them said), "And they ate hides and dead animals, and (it seemed to them that) something like smoke was coming out of the earth. So Abu Sufyan came to the Prophet and said, "O Muhammad! Your people are on the verge of destruction! Please invoke Allah to relieve them." So the Prophet invoked Allah for them (and the famine disappeared). He said to them. "You will revert (to heathenism) after that." 'Abdullah then recited:

'Then watch you for the Day that the sky will bring forth a kind of smoke plainly visible.......but truly you will revert (to disbelief).' He added, "Will the punishment be removed from them in the Hereafter? The smoke and the grasp and the Al-Lizam have all passed." One of the sub-narrator said, "The splitting of the moon." And another said, "The defeat of the Romans (has passed)." (Translation of Sahih Bukhari, Prophetic Commentary on the Qur'an (Tafseer of the Prophet (pbuh)), Volume 6, Book 60, Number 349)"

Narrated 'Abdullah: "Five things have passed: Al-Lizam, the defeat of the Romans, the mighty grasp, the splitting of the moon, and the smoke. (Translation of Sahih Bukhari, Prophetic Commentary on the Qur'an (Tafseer of the Prophet (pbuh)), Volume 6, Book 60, Number 350)"

Narrated Ibn Masud: "During the lifetime of Allah's Apostle the moon was split into two parts; one part remained over the mountain, and the other part went beyond the mountain. On that, Allah's Apostle said, 'Witness this miracle.' (Translation of Sahih Bukhari, Prophetic Commentary on the Qur'an (Tafseer of the Prophet (pbuh)), Volume 6, Book 60, Number 387)"

Narrated Abdullah: "The moon was cleft asunder while we were in the company of the Prophet, and it became two parts. The Prophet said, 'Witness, witness (this miracle).' (Translation of Sahih Bukhari, Prophetic Commentary on the Qur'an (Tafseer of the Prophet (pbuh)), Volume 6, Book 60, Number 388)"

Narrated Ibn Abbas: "The moon was cleft asunder during the lifetime of the Prophet. (Translation of Sahih Bukhari, Prophetic Commentary on the Qur'an (Tafseer of the Prophet (pbuh)), Volume 6, Book 60, Number 389)"

Narrated Anas: "The people of Mecca asked the Prophet to show them a sign (miracle). So he showed them (the miracle) of the cleaving of the moon. (Translation of Sahih Bukhari, Prophetic Commentary on the Qur'an (Tafseer of the Prophet (pbuh)), Volume 6, Book 60, Number 390)"

Narrated Anas: "The moon was cleft asunder into two parts. (Translation of Sahih Bukhari, Prophetic Commentary on the Qur'an (Tafseer of the Prophet (pbuh)), Volume 6, Book 60, Number 391)"

"Abdullah said that five signs have (become things) of the past (and have proved the truth of the Holy Prophet): (Enveloping) by the smoke, inevitable (punishment to the Meccans at Badr), (the victory of) Rome, (violent) seizing (of the Meccans at Badr) and (the splitting up of) the Moon. (Translation of Sahih Muslim, The Book Giving Description of the Day of Judgement, Paradise and Hell (Kitab Sifat Al-Qiyamah wa'l Janna wa'n-Nar), Book 039, Number 6721)"

"Abu Ma'mar reported on the authority of Abdullah that the moon was split up during lifetime by Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) in two parts and Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) said: Bear testimony to this. (Translation of Sahih Muslim, The Book Giving Description of the Day of Judgement, Paradise and Hell (Kitab Sifat Al-Qiyamah wa'l Janna wa'n-Nar), Book 039, Number 6724)"

"This hadith has been transmitted on the authority of Abdullah b. Mas'ud (who said): We were along with Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) at Mina, that moon was split up into two. One of its parts was behind the mountain and the other one was on this side of the mountain. Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) said to us: Bear witness to this. (Translation of Sahih Muslim, The Book Giving Description of the Day of Judgement, Paradise and Hell (Kitab Sifat Al-Qiyamah wa'l Janna wa'n-Nar), Book 039, Number 6725)"

"Abdullah b. Mas'ud reported that the moon was split up in two parts during the lifetime of Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him). The mountain covered one of its parts and one part of it was above the mountain and Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) said: Bear witness to this. (Translation of Sahih Muslim, The Book Giving Description of the Day of Judgement, Paradise and Hell (Kitab Sifat Al-Qiyamah wa'l Janna wa'n-Nar), Book 039, Number 6726)"

"Anas reported that the people of Mecca demanded from Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) that he should show them (some) signs (miracles) and he showed them the splitting of the moon. This hadith has been narrated on the authority of Anas through another chain of transmitters. (Translation of Sahih Muslim, The Book Giving Description of the Day of Judgement, Paradise and Hell (Kitab Sifat Al-Qiyamah wa'l Janna wa'n-Nar), Book 039, Number 6728)"

"Anas reported that the moon was split up in two parts and in the hadith recorded in Abu Dawud, the words are: 'The moon was split up into two parts during the life of Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him).' (Translation of Sahih Muslim, The Book Giving Description of the Day of Judgement, Paradise and Hell (Kitab Sifat Al-Qiyamah wa'l Janna wa'n-Nar), Book 039, Number 6729)"

"Ibn 'Abbas reported that the moon was split up during the lifetime of Allah's Messenger (may peace he upon him). (Translation of Sahih Muslim, The Book Giving Description of the Day of Judgement, Paradise and Hell (Kitab Sifat Al-Qiyamah wa'l Janna wa'n-Nar), Book 039, Number 6730)"

Abu Hurayra
08-03-2006, 10:25 AM
Chakrawati Farmas, King of Malabar in India, WITNESSED the splitting of the moon!

From http://www.cyberistan.org/islamic/farmas.html (http://www.cyberistan.org/islamic/farmas.html):
The incident relating to King Chakrawati Farmas is documented in an old manuscript in the India Office Library, London, which has reference number: Arabic, 2807, 152-173. It is quoted in the book “Muhammad Rasulullah,” by M. Hamidullah:

“There is a very old tradition in Malabar, South-West Coast of India, that Chakrawati Farmas, one of their kings, had observed the splitting of the moon, the celebrated miracle of the Holy Prophet (pbuh) at Mecca, and learning on inquiry that there was a prediction of the coming of a Messenger of God from Arabia (http://www.cyberistan.org/islamic/prophhs.html#mahamad0), he appointed his son as regent and set out to meet him. He embraced Islam at the hand of the Prophet, and when returning home, at the direction of the Prophet, died at the port of Zafar, Yemen, where the tomb of the “Indian king” was piously visited for many centuries.”
The old manuscript in the 'India Office Library' contains several other details about King Chakrawati Farmas and his travel.


The splitting of the moon is mentioned in the Holy Qur'an, Surah Al-Qamar (54), Verses 1-3:



The hour drew nigh and the moon was rent in twain.
And if they behold a portent they turn away and say:
Prolonged illusion.
They denied (the Truth) and followed their own lusts.
Yet everything will come to a decision.

According to Maududi, the traditionists and commentators have agreed that this incident took place at Mina in Makkah about five years before the Holy Prophet's Hijra (migration) to Madinah.

The Moon had split into two distinct parts in front of their very eyes. The two parts had separated and receded so much apart from each other that to the on-lookers (in Makkah) one part had appeared on one side of the mountain and the other on the other side of it. Then, in an instant the two had rejoined. This was a manifest proof of the truth that the system of the universe was neither eternal nor immortal, it could be disrupted.

This incident indicated that huge stars and planets could split asunder, disintegrate, collide with each other, and everything that had been described in the Qur'an on the Resurrection could happen. The Holy Prophet (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) invited the people's attention to this event only with this object in view and asked them to mark it and be a witness to it. But the disbelievers described it as a magical illusion and persisted in their denial. They were reproached in Surah Al-Qamar (The Moon) for their stubbornness.

Other Relevant Notes:

It is due to this incident about their king, the people of Malabar became the first community in India to accept Islam. Subsequently, they increased their trade with Arabs, as the Arab ships used to pass by their shores on the way to China before the advent of Prophet Muhammad (pbuh).

Before Prophet Muhammad (pbuh), Malabar also had a Christian community dating back from the earliest followers of Prophet Jesus ('Isa), pbuh. St. Thomas is believed to have migrated to India and died there. This community remained untouched by later theological developments in Christianity until the arrival of Portugese traveler Vasco da Gama.

When the British were consolidating their stronghold in India, they deployed the largest naval operation (on the shores of India) against the Muslims of Malabar

3- The fault line of the moon:

The following scientific web sites show, with images, how the moon's fault line splits it in half:

1- http://www.synapses.co.uk/astro/moon3.html

2- http://www.pa.msu.edu/people/frenchj/moon/index2.html This page is also copied my site here.

4- Conclusion:

There are ample eye witnesses that saw the moon split in half. Allah Almighty in the Noble Quran did not lie, nor did His Messenger and our beloved and cherished, Prophet Muhammad, peace and blessings be upon him.

All Praise and Glory are due to Allah Almighty!

Abu Hurayra
08-03-2006, 10:31 AM
some pictures that prove the fact that moon was split in to two parts:

http://www.synapses.co.uk/astro/lunavie1.gif

http://www.synapses.co.uk/astro/lunavne1.gif

http://www.synapses.co.uk/astro/lunavne2.gif

http://www.synapses.co.uk/astro/lunavnw1.gif
http://www.synapses.co.uk/astro/lunavnw2.gif

http://www.synapses.co.uk/astro/lunavsw3.gif

http://www.synapses.co.uk/astro/lunavse3.gif

Akhee-Abdullah
08-03-2006, 11:11 AM
Are you saying that Hasan al-Basri, Ata', al-Samarqandi and Izzuddin Abdus-Salam are not form ahlus-sunnah?!

Do you know that one of the commonly accepted measurements in classifying hadiths into accepted and non-accepted is to subject them to other information, that humanity has achieved through various means. This is what scholars mean when they say: Any hadith contradicting ''reality'' based on true observations or historically established facts, etc. is false, even its chain is perfect!
I advice you to read al-manar al-munif by Ibn al-Qayyim, al-kifayah by al-Khateeb and al-mawzuat by Ibn al-jawzi, I hope that you find some of them in english.

Only thing arguable maybe in applying thoses rules on the specific hadith, which on the other hand may differ form time to time as well, as humanity advances in achieving more and more knowledge through new means.

It is wrong to freeze application of certain rules, areas of which are expandable by their nature, depending on the changes occur in their ''variables''!
Although to understand this doesn't require much time or effort, it is a big problem for many today; they keep saying : ''Then why early scholars didn't do that!'' and the answer is ''if they had the same info we have today they would have done it, the rule is their rule only application is ours!''. It must be noted that this only applies areas (i.e. hadiths) where some components are ''variables'' and change takes place indeed!

What I said is a general remark and not necessarily applicable to this particular case, because this requires certain prosedures until it is established that this rule is applicable on it.

ps. As to punishment of the grave, it is indicated in the Qur'anic verse itself, so hadiths in this regard have only explanatory function, although on some issues related to it (for example, how it takes place, on the body or the soul) different opinons were given by scholars.


If you want to understand where ahlis sunnah wal jamaah stand in regards to Mutawatir and Ahad ahadeeth please listen to this lecture from the 22:40 minute


Блеск убеждения, или то, что достаточно знать из акыды
(Разъяснение "Люм'ату-льи'тикад") (http://toislam.com/rus/listen.asp?file=audio/Akida/lumgah/lumgah-02.rm)

And the enitirety of this.

Блеск убеждения, или то, что достаточно знать из акыды
(Разъяснение "Люм'ату-льи'тикад")-2 (http://toislam.com/rus/listen.asp?file=audio/Akida/lumgah/lumgah-03.rm)

Maftuna
08-03-2006, 01:34 PM
Dear members,

it is wonderful that you try to show the signs of that the religion of Islam was given by God and that His holiness Muhammad was a true Messenger of God.

I personally think it doesn't hurt to look at things from a spiritual perspective too (not only physical). Maybe the miracle mentioned in fact means something else rather than just a physical magic to make the people of doubt believe in Prophet Muhammad.

If the purpose of studying and further analyzing this miracle is to proof that Islam indeed is true from God, then there is no need. There is no need for arguments. In the original story that Shokirbek posted, the guy went back to the Qur'an only after seeing the scientific proof of what was written in it. Does it mean that he became a muslim based on his fear? To me it sounds like it. Hear me, friends, is it better for someone to believe in the Message only when a miracle performed for physical eyes to see or to believe in it after a personal search of the truth spiritually by reading, studying, discussing and feeling the true essense?

Personally, I do not want to say anything regarding the physical split of the moon. I have no doubt that His Holiness Prophet Muhammad could perform such miracle, for His is The Rasul of Allah. However, I have not seen it with my own eyes, I do not want to believe it happened just bacause someone else saw it. So my answer is this: I am no one to test Allah and His Messengers, why would I need a physical miracle to believe in divine power. In my heart I bear witness to the truth that They bring. What matters to me is the spiritual truth that I can find through the teachings and the sacred Books, no physical miracle can change that.

I want to conclude my opinion with a passage from the The Kitab-i-Iqan (The Book of Certitute):
"...Judge fairly: Were the prophecies recorded in the Gospel to be literally fulfilled; were Jesus, Son of Mary, accompanied by angels, to decend from the visible heaven upon the clouds; who would dare to disbelieve, who would dare to reject the truth, and was disdainful? Nay, such consternation would immediately seize all the dwellers of the earth that no soul would feel able to utter a word, much less to reject or accept the truth. It was owing to their misunderstanding of these truths that many a Christian divine hath objected Muhammad, and voiced his protest in such words:"If Thou art in truth the promised Prophet, why then art Thou not accompanied by those angels our sacred Books foretold, and which must needs descend with the promised Beauty to assist Him in His Revealtion and act as warners unto His people?" Even as the All-Glorious hath recorded their statement:"Why hath not an angel been sent down to him, so that he should have been a warner with Him?"*
Such objections and differences have persisted in every age and century. The people have always busied themselves with such specious discourses, vainly protesting: "Wherefore hath not this or that sign appeared?" Such ills befell them only because they have clung to the ways of the divines of the age in which they lived, and blindly imitated them in accepting or denying these Essences of Detachment, these holy and divine Beings..."

*Qur'an 25:7

Ulug'bek
08-03-2006, 02:27 PM
Assalamu Alaikum,
First of all Mu'min accepts The verses of Qur'an and Sahih hadith without putting and measuring it with his Material understandings and "science". It shows misstrust and doubt to the Holy sources. We accept it without researching. Later on Science will prove it.
For example till 20th century kafirs-nonbelievers used to laugh at muslims and to the verses of Qur'an that are concerned with medicine, astrology and etc. But later on theirselves discovered that those verses were true indeed. Science is proving the Words ofAllah and words of Prophet Muhammad saw step by step. Thus Allah will be opening those secrets to the humanbeing till judgement day unless they will be Mu'mins.
Here I advice to review this article, hope some brothers will tidy their separated ideas about this case.
Thus there is no doubt in Physical split of the Moon!!!(Wallahu 'alam)










Wa alaikum assalam,
Thank you for the quoted article, but it is wrong when it states that there were no disagreements in this issue. As I have stated earlier, there were a small number of scholars in the past who insisted that this event didn't occur in the past and going to happen in the future.

Now I have found one more prominant shafeei scholar who also was well-known muhaddith - al-Hulaymi al-Husain ibn al-Husain (d. 403 AH. see Tarikh al-Jurjan, p198) rejecting the view of the majority.
Raising question of 'how these scholars could contradict the verse?', Imamul-Haramaiyn al-Juwaini said -explaining al-Hulaymis' view on how the verse could be understood related to the future while it used past tense- :They have done anology to the Nahl -1, as it is accepted in Arabic to use past tense (as well as future tense) for the event happening in future for sure. they further supported their view by the fact that this event is mentioned in the verse with ''Day of Resurruction- qiyamah' (al-Attar, Hashiyatul al-Attar ala Sharhul -Jalal al-Mahalliy, v 2, p147).

I would like here to highlight 3 very important things, that are not necessarily related to the thread or the posts here:

1. It is very harmful and unacceptable to describe things/issues in a way that they are not in reality. If there was disagreement on an issue among scholars, then it is MUST be mentioned as such, IT IS NOT ALLOWED ISLAMICALLY TO DESCRIBE OTHERWISE unless you really didn't know about it of course! No body here or anywhere have right to act as a representative sent by God to tell the truth. Allah SWT knows best and He might have wisdom beyond His letting scholars who are qualified for ijtihad to difference on certain issues.
Much part of the islamic sciences, ''islamic'' views on different issues are scholarly ijtihad. Scholars had ijtihad and different views on many many issues and mostly they have exersized tolerance and respect towards their opponents, that is whu they are scholars!
Sahabas/companions of the Prophet (SAW) had different views on many issues, including issues in aqeedah, but they had mutual respect among them, despite the differences, that is one of the reasons why they are greats!
It also must be known that there is no absolute agreement on sayings like such and such hadith is authentic! There were/are many schools and indivudels who have different -many/some times- criterias mostly acceptable in determining what is reliable hadith and what is not.
'Mursal' is not accepted according to muhaddithin but is/was accepted by many fuqaha, the category of 'hasan li g'ayrihi' was considered weak previously, while it is part of authentic one later on; Ibn hibban and Abu Hanifa see that any muslim is truthworthy until he/she is proven otherwise, while it is vice-versa according to majority of scholars. Scholars have/had different opinions about naration of 'mubtadiah' between fully rejection, partly rejection, mostly acception, etc.. In determining status of memory and preservation they had long discussions. In whether living at the same time enough or transmitters' meeting each other must be established to consider the chain ''connected'' is another issue. Differncy of opinons on from what age transmission is valid, what are behaviours affect truthwothyness of the transmitter are only few examples for HUNDREDS AND HUNDREDS of issues scholars disagree with each other in this field.
So when one heara some one saying this hadith is sahih, bear in your mind questions like 'according to whom and according to what?', 'is there any different views on theoretical or appliance part that is related to this hadith?'.
Also it worth to understand what do scholars mean by saying 'authenthic' do they mean that this what prophet SAW said 100%? The vast majority of them mean by that 'it is most probably what He said, as it fulfils conditions They set up to accept a hadith'. This is some thing one must ponder about a lot! Screaming doesnt lead to other than loosing voice...

This is not to discredit this science but in deed to credit it, as it was established in deed in a scientific way, the way it acknowledges the reality, admitts its opennes to the eror, at least theoritically. This is a knowledge based on human beings reason, respects it! It would not be a knowledge to claim what contradicts and clashes with reality, discredits the reason, the tool that given by Allah SWT to measure things and find the truth! Yes, human beings reason has limits, but it is another topic.
Be aware that in those theoretical issues scholars of hadith have no preferance above other scholars of Islam, it only 'field work' part where they have general preference upon others. If one studies those issues in deep, with an open mind, learns how to respect others and understands that science of hadith is like other scinces of Islam is product of Ijtihad, that is open to discussion and error sometimes. I have many quotes from eraly promenant scholars of this field confirming this.

2. The second thing i would like to say is that there is A VERY BIG difference between rejecting saying of the prophet SWT and rejecting a narration attributed to the Prophet as His saying, stating that, this is not or can't be a hadith of the Prophet SAW!
In the first case, one becomes non-muslim, while in the second one he/she maybe rewarded (one reward) if his/her rejection is based on acceptable ijtihad!
One must be very careful describing others action, you can't say such and such is rejecting Prophets hadith if he/she is rejecting that narration to be hadith of the Prophet SAW! In this case you are lying and blaming him or her for doing act of kufr! It is that much different! Tongue is dengerous if one doesn't control it!
There were/are many many cases of this rejection among scholars themselves; there are hadiths which are authentic according to certain scholars (for example Imam Muslim) and are at the same time rejected by others (for example according to al-Bukhariy and even according to al-Albaniy!). I have plenty examples of this type!

3. Islam relies on the outcomes of the sciences based on level of its certainty as much as it relies 'outcomes' of the revealed knowledge based on its level of certainty again.

And again, I am not talking about this particular hadith, I am talking in general and earlier I have only quoted what scholars have said about it.

** Nothing personal is intended.
*** I already have expressed my view, for the time being, I see no reason to post any thing more, I will return to the forum after jum'ah, tomorrow, inshaallah.

Abu Hurayra
08-03-2006, 03:31 PM
Wa alaikum assalam,
Thank you for the quoted article, but it is wrong when it states that there were no disagreements in this issue. As I have stated earlier, there were a small number of scholars in the past who insisted that this event didn't occur in the past and going to happen in the future.

Now I have found one more prominant shafeei scholar who also was well-known muhaddith - al-Hulaymi al-Husain ibn al-Husain (d. 403 AH. see Tarikh al-Jurjan, p198) rejecting the view of the majority.
Raising question of 'how these scholars could contradict the verse?', Imamul-Haramaiyn al-Juwaini said -explaining al-Hulaymis' view on how the verse could be understood related to the future while it used past tense- :They have done anology to the Nahl -1, as it is accepted in Arabic to use past tense (as well as future tense) for the event happening in future for sure. they further supported their view by the fact that this event is mentioned in the verse with ''Day of Resurruction- qiyamah' (al-Attar, Hashiyatul al-Attar ala Sharhul -Jalal al-Mahalliy, v 2, p147).

I would like here to highlight 3 very important things, that not necessarily related to the thread or the posts here:

1. It is very harmful and unacceptable to describe things/issues in a way that they are not in reality. If there was disagreement on an issue among scholars, then it is MUST be mentioned as such, IT IS NOT ALLOWED ISLAMICALLY TO DESCRIBE OTHERWISE unless you really didn't know about it of course! No body here or anywhere have right to act as a representative sent by God to tell the truth. Allah SWT knows best and He might have wisdom beyond His letting scholars who are qualified for ijtihad to difference on certain issues.
Much part of the islamic sciences, ''islamic'' views on different issues are scholarly ijtihad. Scholars had ijtihad and different views on many many issues and mostly they have exersized tolerance and respect towards their opponents, that is whu they are scholars!
Sahabas/companions of the Prophet (SAW) had different views on many issues, including issues in aqeedah, but they had mutual respect among them, despite the differences, that is one of the reasons why they are greats!
It also must be known that there is no absolute agreement on sayings like such and such hadith is authentic! There were/are many schools and indivudels who have different -many/some times- criterias mostly acceptable in determining what is reliable hadith and what is not.
'Mursal' is not accepted according to muhaddithin but is/was accepted by many fuqaha, the category of 'hasan li g'ayrihi' was considered weak previously, while it is part of authentic one later on; Ibn hibban and Abu Hanifa see that any muslim is truthworthy until he/she is proven otherwise, while it is vice-versa according to majority of scholars. Scholars have/had different opinions about naration of 'mubtadiah' between fully rejection, partly rejection, mostly acception, etc.. In determining status of memory and preservation they had long discussions. In whether living at the same time enough or transmitters' meeting each other must be established to consider the chain ''connected'' is another issue. Differncy of opinons on from what age transmission is valid, what are behaviours affect truthwothyness of the transmitter are only few examples for HUNDREDS AND HUNDREDS of issues scholars disagree with each other in this field.
So when one heara some one saying this hadith is sahih, bear in your mind questions like 'according to whom and according to what?', 'is there any different views on theoretical or appliance part that is related to this hadith?'.
Also it worth to understand what do scholars mean by saying 'authenthic' do they mean that this what prophet SAW said 100%? The vast majority of them mean by that 'it is most probably what He said, as it fulfils conditions They set up to accept a hadith'. This is some thing one must ponder about a lot! Screaming doesnt lead to other than loosing voice...

This is not to discredit this science but in deed to credit it, as it was established in deed in a scientific way, the way it acknowledges the reality, admitts its opennes to the eror, at least theoritically. This is a knowledge based on human beings reason, respects it! It would not be a knowledge to claim what contradicts and clashes with reality, discredits the reason, the tool that given by Allah SWT to measure things and find the truth! Yes, human beings reason has limits, but it is another topic.
Be aware that in those theoretical issues scholars of hadith have no preferance above other scholars of Islam, it only 'field work' part where they have general preference upon others. If one studies those issues in deep, with an open mind, learns how to respect others and understands that science of hadith is like other scinces of Islam is product of Ijtihad, that is open to discussion and error sometimes. I have many quotes from eraly promenant scholars of this field confirming this.

2. The second thing i would like to say is that there is A VERY BIG difference between rejecting saying of the prophet SWT and rejecting a narration attributed to the Prophet as His saying, stating that, this is not or can't be a hadith of the Prophet SAW!
In the first case, one becomes non-muslim, while in the second one he/she maybe rewarded (one reward) if his/her rejection is based on acceptable ijtihad!
One must be very careful describing others action, you can't say such and such is rejecting Prophets hadith if he/she is rejecting that narration to be hadith of the Prophet SAW! In this case you are lying and blaming him or her for doing act of kufr! It is that much different! Tongue is dengerous if one doesn't control it!
There were/are many many cases of this rejection among scholars themselves; there are hadiths which are authentic according to certain scholars (for example Imam Muslim) and are at the same time rejected by others (for example according to al-Bukhariy and even according to al-Albaniy!). I have plenty examples of this type!

3. Islam relies on the outcomes of the sciences based on its certainty as much as it relies 'outcomes' of the revealed knowledge based on its level of certainty again.

And again, I am not talking about this particular hadith, I am talking in general and earlier I have only quoted what scholars have said about it.

Dear Ulug'bek I agree with your opinion about "ichtilaf"ic (disagreement) issues.
Yes there are some Ichtilafs when the opinion of one Ulama is based on weak or different type hadithes. But in the case of the splitting of moon, This hadith is recorded by both Great Muhaddith Ulamas Al- Bukhariy and Muslim and it refers to SAHIH hadith. When one Issue s based on two SAHIH hadiths it means it has enough strong base, thus no need to make Ichtilaf. I can not doubt I will not doubt to the SAHIH ness of these hatithes because those Ulamas was not such stupid or not responsible to decide wether a kind of hadith was sahih or dhaif. Alhamdullah, may Allah rewards them, they did great job. To identify one Hadith they walked 1000 kms, they did not ask only one people, They did not refer a kind of hadith as SAHIH, if this hadtih was reported by 9 reliable mu'mins but 1 liar muslim, They refer this kind of hadith as weak.

People must not trust on science and claim that this was a proof to the correctness of a Verse or Hadith. Because knowledge, science of the humanbeings can change and they may do new discoveries further. At first place we confirm it with our Iyman, That is it.
After the night ISRA and Me'raj, Our Prophet saw asked Jabrail,that he wondered wether people will believe when he says I was in the skys. Then Jabrail calmed him down by saying Abu Bakr will confirm your words. Nowadays we Muslims require some scientific proofs and if we get we accept.

Let Allah gives us taqwa and Iyman like Abu Bakr(ra) and Umar (ra) had.


PS:
by the way Ulug'bek how do you comment on this Historical Fact?
Chakrawati Farmas, King of Malabar in India, WITNESSED the splitting of the moon!

From http://www.cyberistan.org/islamic/farmas.html (http://www.cyberistan.org/islamic/farmas.html):
The incident relating to King Chakrawati Farmas is documented in an old manuscript in the India Office Library, London, which has reference number: Arabic, 2807, 152-173. It is quoted in the book “Muhammad Rasulullah,” by M. Hamidullah:

“There is a very old tradition in Malabar, South-West Coast of India, that Chakrawati Farmas, one of their kings, had observed the splitting of the moon, the celebrated miracle of the Holy Prophet (pbuh) at Mecca, and learning on inquiry that there was a prediction of the coming of a Messenger of God from Arabia (http://www.cyberistan.org/islamic/prophhs.html#mahamad0), he appointed his son as regent and set out to meet him. He embraced Islam at the hand of the Prophet, and when returning home, at the direction of the Prophet, died at the port of Zafar, Yemen, where the tomb of the “Indian king” was piously visited for many centuries.”
The old manuscript in the 'India Office Library' contains several other details about King Chakrawati Farmas and his travel.

real_life
08-09-2006, 04:23 AM
Do you know that one of the commonly accepted measurements in classifying hadiths into accepted and non-accepted is to subject them to other information, that humanity has achieved through various means. This is what scholars mean when they say: Any hadith contradicting ''reality'' based on true observations or historically established facts, etc. is false, even its chain is perfect!
subhanallah! what a false statement! Sahih hadislarni falsega chiqaradiganlar ham paydo bolibdimi, ya Alloh...

мовароуннахр
08-09-2006, 04:32 AM
хадисларнинг сахихлигини нимага караб карор бериш(лари)ни хам хабар берсанглар буларди.

Mo'jiza
08-09-2006, 10:29 AM
Ushbuni do'stimdan olgandim.

Shu mavzuda threadlar bo'lsa-da, yangi thread orqali bo'lishishni lozim topdim. Bo'lishish lozimligi uchun.

Abu Hurayra
08-09-2006, 10:25 PM
Ushbuni do'stimdan olgandim.

Shu mavzuda threadlar bo'lsa-da, yangi thread orqali bo'lishishni lozim topdim. Bo'lishish lozimligi uchun. Rasmning qanchalik haqiqatligini bilmadim, lekin qabr azobi haq!

Attach qilingan maqoladagi mana bunday gaplar NOTOG'RI!!!
Пожалуйста, передайте это всем вашим друзьям и
Мусульманам, которых Вы знаете.
В течение следующих 60 секунд, остановите, что бы Вы ни
делали, и возьмите эту возможность. (Буквально, это только
1 минута). Все, что Вы должны сделать - следующее:

ПОЖАЛУЙСТА, ПОШЛИТЕ ЭТО ВСЕМ ЛЮДЯМ, КОТОРЫХ
ВЫ ЗНАЕТЕ. АЛЛАХ SUBHANA WA TAALA РЕШИТ ВСЕ ВАШИ
ПРОБЛЕМЫ. ПОЖАЛУЙСТА, НЕ БУДЬТЕ НЕ В СОСТОЯНИИ
СДЕЛАТЬ ЭТО.

Chunki bunday gaplar bid'at(dindagi yangilik)ning eng kattasi. Bu xatni qanaqadir vositaga chiqarib quyayapti. Ya'ni bu xatni tarqatsangiz "mushkulingiz oson bo'lib qilgan niyatingizga erishasiz".
Bizga Amru Ma'ruf-Nahiy Munkar qilish buynimizdagi Musulmonlik burchimiz!
Biz bunday amru ma'ruflarni bunday bid'atlarsiz qilishimiz kerak.
Bu gaplarni yana noto'g'ri tushunmanglar, Qabr azobi va boshqa Islomiy tushunchalar haq, lekin davatni bid'at orqali qilish noto'g'ri, foydasidan ko'ra zarari bor (Allohu 'alam).

Keling Da'vat qilmoqchi bo'lsak, Xolis Olloh uchun, buni har bir musulmonning burchi ekanligini tushungan holda qilaylik. O'rtaga hech qandaqa vosita qo'ymaylik. (yani bir minut ichida yuborsak qanaqadir niyatga erishishlik vhk).
Bir uylab ko'ring nima endi biz deylik o'shanday qilib(1 minut ichida bu xatni yuborib, niyat qilsak), keyinchalik hayotimizda o'sha niyatga erisholmasak DINIMIZDAN QAYTAMIZMI?,Chunki ba'zi bir islomdan xabari bo'lmagan insonlar bunday xatlarni deylik 1000 ta kishiga tarqatib niyatiga erishmasa unda diniga nisbatan shubha tug'ilmaslikka kim kafolat bera oladi???

Alloh turli xil fitnalardan, qabr azobidan, jahannam azobidan, hayot fitnasidan, fitnalarning eng kattasi Dajjol fitnasidan o'zi omon saqlasin!

Assalomu Alaikum,

Ilova: Muxtarama mo'jiza, Shaxsiyatingizga olmang, Man bu yerda masalaga umumiy holda yondashishdim ;)

Lady_G
08-09-2006, 10:32 PM
Huddi shu mavzuni va maqola to'g'risida Muslima_qiz thread ochgandila.

Mo'jiza
08-09-2006, 10:46 PM
Rasmning qanchalik haqiqatligini bilmadim, lekin qabr azobi haq!

Attach qilingan maqoladagi mana bunday gaplar NOTOG'RI!!!
Chunki bunday gaplar bid'at(dindagi yangilik)ning eng kattasi. Bu xatni qanaqadir vositaga chiqarib quyayapti. Ya'ni bu xatni tarqatsangiz "mushkulingiz oson bo'lib qilgan niyatingizga erishasiz".
Bizga Amru Ma'ruf-Nahiy Munkar qilish buynimizdagi Musulmonlik burchimiz!
Biz bunday amru ma'ruflarni bunday bid'atlarsiz qilishimiz kerak.
Bu gaplarni yana noto'g'ri tushunmanglar, Qabr azobi va boshqa Islomiy tushunchalar haq, lekin davatni bid'at orqali qilish noto'g'ri, foydasidan ko'ra zarari bor (Allohu 'alam).

Keling Da'vat qilmoqchi bo'lsak, Xolis Olloh uchun, buni har bir musulmonning burchi ekanligini tushungan holda qilaylik. O'rtaga hech qandaqa vosita qo'ymaylik. (yani bir minut ichida yuborsak qanaqadir niyatga erishishlik vhk).
Bir uylab ko'ring nima endi biz deylik o'shanday qilib(1 minut ichida bu xatni yuborib, niyat qilsak), keyinchalik hayotimizda o'sha niyatga erisholmasak DINIMIZDAN QAYTAMIZMI?,Chunki ba'zi bir islomdan xabari bo'lmagan insonlar bunday xatlarni deylik 1000 ta kishiga tarqatib niyatiga erishmasa unda diniga nisbatan shubha tug'ilmaslikka kim kafolat bera oladi???

Alloh turli xil fitnalardan, qabr azobidan, jahannam azobidan, hayot fitnasidan, fitnalarning eng kattasi Dajjol fitnasidan o'zi omon saqlasin!

Assalomu Alaikum,

Ilova: Muxtarama mo'jiza, Shaxsiyatingizga olmang, Man bu yerda masalaga umumiy holda yondashishdim ;)


Assalomu alaykum, Mazlum!

Siz aytgan narsaga men ham to'liq qo'shilaman. Men bu narsaga ishonmayman. O'sha xatning boshlang'ich qismi rost, lekin oxirida Siz ko'rsatgan qismi noto'g'ri deb men ham o'ylayman.

Nimagadir oxirgi paytda Islomiy mavzuda boshlanib, oxirida "Albatta yuboring" degan yozuv bor xatlar ko'plab keladigan bo'ldi.

Shu mavzuni yoritgan osha odamning maqsadi da'vatmi yoki uning xati yuborilayotganidan xursand bo'lib qolishmi tushunmaysan kishi.

Vaqtingizni ajratib shu joyini to'g'ri izohlaganingiz uchun tashakkur.

Hurmat bilan.

Hamid
08-11-2006, 05:44 AM
This is spam, we as muslims have to seand few minutes to do research about the hadiths and ayahs given in such e-mails, and not send them straight away.
And believing to the last part as Mazlum pointed out, is shirk, because you are out of the 'iyyaka na'budu va iyyaka nasta'in'.

hh

madman02
08-31-2006, 07:19 PM
Некоторые из малых признаков приближения
Ёумуль-Кыяма (Конца Света)


1. Вакф будет восприниматься как частная собственность, а ценные качества общественного доверия не будут уважаться;

2. Закят будет восприниматься как тяжелый обременительный налог;

3. Послушность жене и непослушание родителям будут в порядке вещей. Муж станет робко исполнять неисламские просьбы и диктаты своей жены;

4. Матерей не будут слушаться, с отцами станут обращаться как с чужими людьми. Но в то же время предпочтение будет отдаваться приятелям, которых станут развлекать с щедрой гостеприимностью и теплым приёмом;

5. Приобретение Исламских знаний будет исключительно для материальных целей, а не во имя Аллаха;

6. Власть политической силы будет впустую тратиться незаслуженными людьми с низкой моралью и слабым характером;

7. Тиранов станут восхвалять и оказывать им всяческое уважение, чтобы избежать преследований и гонений с их стороны;

8. Алкогольные напитки будут употреблять открыть, дав им название «мягкие напитки»;

9. Распространиться как музыка, так и новоизобретённые музыкальные инструменты. Танцующие и поющие женщины появятся в бесчисленном количестве;

10. Ростовщичество будет рассматриваться как бизнес, а взятки станут воспринимать как подарок;

11. Скромность и стыдливость исчезнут из основной публики, а прелюбодеяние и разврат станут очень распространены;

12. Кроме еды и напитков женщин тоже будут предлагать для развлечения гостей;

13. Люди будут соревноваться друг с другом в построении высоких зданий.

14. Исламское приветствие сохранится только для собственных знакомств;

15. Число природных бедствий (катастроф) таких как наводнения, землетрясения и т.п. увеличатся;

16. Святость мечетей будет оскверняться шумом и обсуждением земных дел;

17. Бизнес расширится настолько, что женщины будут стоять вместе с мужчинами в магазинах и в других коммерческих предприятиях;

18. Внезапная смерть станет частым явлением;

19. Начнут появляться полуобнаженные и «одетые нагие» женщины (т.е. в такой одежде, которая будет или сильно просвечивать, или сильно обтягивать, а то и вообще будет прозрачной);

20. Подрыв доверия станет распространённой болезнью общества;

21. Незаконнорождённые дети будут частым явлением;

22. Соотношение количества женщин по сравнению с количеством мужчин увеличится настолько, что на одного ответственного мужчину будет приходиться около 50 женщин;

23. Появятся некоторые люди с такими высказываниями Посланника Аллаха (соллаллаху ‘алейхи ва саллям), которых ранее никто не слышал;

24. В Аравии создадут искусственные луга и реки;

25. Люди не будут следовать и даже оценивать по достоинству пример сподвижников Пророка Мухаммада (соллаллаху ‘алейхи ва саллям);

26. В реке Ефрате обнаружат бесчисленное количество золота, из-за которого 99% присутствующих там людей погибнет в борьбе друг против друга;

27. Огонь вырвется из Хиджаза и распространится на далёкие расстояния.


Многие из вышеперечисленных признаков уже появились, ясно показывая на то, что мы должны немедленно покаяться, попросить прощения за все наши грехи и принять окончательное решение отныне и впредь вести благочестивую жизнь, полностью соответствующую учениям нашего любимого Пророка Мухаммада (соллаллаху ‘алейхи ва саллям). Да поведёт нас Аллах по истинному пути. Аминь

madman02
08-31-2006, 07:21 PM
::: Признаки Кыямата :::

Необходимо чтобы человечество было информировано об этих признаках, с целью сохранения собственного имана и соблюдения мер предосторожности против бед.
1. Перед Кыяматом произойдут некоторые из больших признаков, что побудит людей расспрашивать, «А твой Пророк упоминал ли что-либо об этом?»

2. Появятся 30 лжецов-самозванцев, последним среди которых будет одноглазый Даджаль (антихрист);

3. До того времени, когда спуститься Пророк ‘Иса (‘алейхис-саллям), группа благочестивых людей будет строго и без колебаний (отклонений) придерживаться истинного пути;

4. Последним Имамом, ведущим эту группу, будет Имам Махди;

5. Имам Махди будет благочестивым мусульманином из потомков Посланника Аллаха Мухаммада (соллаллаху ‘алейхи ва саллям) и пришествие на землю Пророка ‘Исы (‘алейхис-саллям) случится при его жизни;

6. Мусульманская армия, состоящая из любимых Аллахом людей, победит в войне против Индии. По возвращению в Сирию победители обнаружат спустившегося Пророка ‘Иcy (‘алейхис-саллям).

7. Римляне объявят войну против мусульман. Тогда мусульманская армия придёт из Святой Медины, чтобы защитить Ислам и мусульман. Когда обе армии столкнутся друг с другом, римляне станут требовать возврата своих пленных на что получат отказ. Тогда произойдёт сражение, в котором треть мусульман убежит и их покаяние не будет принято, другая треть погибнет шахидами (став лучшими из шахидов), а оставшиеся мусульмане одержат победу, и таким образом, получат защиту против всех будущих испытаний;

8. После победы над римлянами мусульманская армия завоюет Константинополь;

9. Эта группа поспешно удалится после того, как услышит ложный слух о приходе Даджаля. Но ко времени их прибытия в Сирию Даджаль действительно появится;

10. Перед появлением Даджаля произойдут три таких случая, когда людей охватит огромная тревога и ужас;

11. Ко времени появления Даджаля останется всего небольшое количество благочестивых людей, но диспуты и разногласия между ними будут очень распространены;

12. Последователи Даджаля будут состоять в основном из женщин, а также из евреев, которых будет 70 тысяч по количеству;

13. Даджаль появится в обличии молодого человека со светлыми кудрявыми волосами (имеющего светлую пигментацию. Его оба глаза будут дефектны, при этом левый глаз будет абсолютно незрячим, а правый – пучеглазым. На его лбу будет написано «кяфир», и это сможет прочесть каждый верующий, даже совсем неграмотный;

14. Даджаль поднимется на "осла (может быть аллегор.выражением)" и сможет передвигаться со скоростью облаков и ветра. Стремительно быстро он станет путешествовать вокруг света, принося с собой зло и опустошение. Только Мекка, Медина и Бэйтуль-Мукаддас (Иерусалим) будут защищены от этого;

15. В то время будет 7 дорог, ведущих в Священную Медину, и оба Священных города – Мекка и Медина, будут защищены ангелами (передали Ахмад и ибн Маджа);

16. Даджаль разобьёт лагерь на окраинах Медины в Зарйиби Ахмар. В течение этого периода произойдут три подземных толчка землетрясений в Медине, что явится поводом для всех проживающих там лицемеров перебежать и найти убежище у Даджаля; (ибн Маджа);

17. Женщины будут первыми из поддерживающих Даджаля и следующих за ним;

18. Фитна и грабёж Даджаля будут самыми худшими из всех, которые когда-либо случались с человечеством, и об этом каждый из Пророков (мир им) предупреждал своих последователей; (ибн Маджа);

19. Сначала Даджаль объявит себя пророком, но позднее он провозгласит свою божественность и будет иметь при себе огромное количество провизии (пищи и воды); Ахмад)

20. Спрятанные сокровища земли будут слушаться его приказов и выйдут наружу. Даджаль также будет способен исцелить тех, кто был слеп с рождения (Фасул Бари);

21. Даджаля станут сопровождать два шайтана, которые будут разговаривать с людьми (Хаким);

22. С одной стороны Даджаля появятся два ангела, которые материализуются, приняв форму и черты двух пророков из прежних общин. Повернувшись к ним, Даджаль спросит, «Не я ли ваш господин и бог? Разве не я даю жизнь и умертвляю?»
На что один из ангелов ответит, «Ты лжёшь!»
К сожалению, этот ответ будет слышен только Даджалю и второму ангелу, и никому более.
А затем второй ангел в подтверждение слов своего партнера скажет, «Ты сказал правду!» Увы, именно этот ответ станет слышен всем, и это примут за ответ на Даджалины вопросы. Таким образом, эта путаница будет великим тестом для человечества; ~ ~ ~ (Ахмад)

23. Кто примет Даджаля и поверит в него, тот станет кяфиром, и все хорошие дела, сделанные этим человеком, будут аннулированы. А тем, кто не поддастся его влиянию, им будут прощены все их грехи; (Хаким)

24. Все сторонники Даджаля станут наслаждаться великим комфортом, роскошью и изобилием, предоставленных для них Даджалем, в то время как отвергшие его будут испытывать множество трудностей (Муслим и Ахмад);

25. Никто, кроме Пророка ‘Исы (‘алейхис-саллям) не будет обладать такой силой и возможностью, достаточной для того, чтобы уничтожить Даджаля;
26. Кто прочтёт на Даджаля первые десять аятов суры №18 «Кяхф» («Пещера»), тот будет защищён от фитны и испытаний Даджаля настолько, что даже если этого человека бросят в огонь, то пламя станет холодным для него (Муслим);

27. Чтобы сломить веру в одном молодом человеке, Даджаль жестоко разрубит его тело на две части, а затем, по желанию Аллаха, вернёт его к жизни. Потом он у него спросит, «Кто твой Господь?»

Молодой человек ответит, «Мой Господь – Аллах. А ты – Даджаль – враг Аллаха, и теперь моя вера в Аллаха стала ещё сильнее.» (Муслим и ибн Маджа);

28. За исключением этого юноши, Даджаль больше не будет иметь силы оживлять кого-либо после убиения. (Ахмад);

29. Фитнa дaджaля будет длиться 40 дней, из котоpых 1-ый день будет paвен одному году, 2-ой день - одному месяцу, a тpетий день - одной неделе. Остaльные дни будут кaк обычные. (Mуслим)

30. Веpующие будут собpaны в “Джaбaлуд-духaн”, a Дaджaль будет и воpот “Люд”. (Aхмaд, ‘ибн Maджa)

madman02
08-31-2006, 07:26 PM
31. Дaджaль устpоит зaсaду гpуппе мусульмaн. Этa осaдa создaст огpомные пpоблемы и сложности мусульмaнaм, пpинесет им бедность и голод. (Xaким)

32. В конце концов Дaджaль появится в Иоpдaнии. К этому вpемени все веpующие в Аллaхa и в Ахыpaт будут нaходиться в долине Иоpдaнии. Дaджaль убъет 1 тpеть мусульмaн и нaнесет поpaжение дpугой тpети. И лишь одна тpеть мусульмaн выживет. (Xaким)

33. Когдa этa осaдa в долине иоpдaнии зaтянется очень нaдолго и стaнет очень тpудной, тогдa aмиp Мaхди объявит войну. Той ночью будет особенно темно, и во вpемя фaджpa пpоpок ‘Исa (‘aлейхис-сaллям) опустится, опиpaясь pукaми нa плечи двух aнгелов. (Хaким, Муaммap, Ахмaд, Муслим)

34. Пpоpок ‘Исa (‘aлейхис-сaллям) будет сpеднего pостa, одетый в кpaсновaто-белую одежду, с сияющими длинными пpямыми волосaми, доходящими до плеч, и будет похож нa известного сaхaби Уpвaхa бин Мaс‘удa (радыАллаху ‘анху). (Ибн Джapиp, Абу Дaуд)

35. Пpоpок ‘Исa (‘aлейхис-сaллям) будет одет в доспехи. (Муaммap)

36. Пpоpок ‘Исa (‘aлейхис-сaллям) появится в центpе гpуппы очень блaгочестивых людей, состоящих из 800 мужчин и 400 женщин. И когдa спpосят, пpоpок ‘Исa (‘aлейхис-сaллям) пpедстaвит себя. (Дaйлaми, Муaммap)

37. К этому моменту имaм Мaхди выступит впеpед, чтобы быть имaмом в нaмaзе, но, увидев пpоpокa ‘Ису (‘aлейхис-сaллям), сpaзу же отступит нaзaд, уступив свое место (быть имaмом) пpоpоку ‘Исе (‘aлейхис-сaллям). Но пpоpок ‘Исa u (‘aлейхис-сaллям) попpосит его пpодолжaть. (‘ибн Maджaх, Mуслим)

38. После нaмaзa фaджp пpоpок ‘Исa (‘aлейхис-сaллям) попpосит откpыть двеpь, зa котоpой дaджaль будет нaходиться со своей apмией’. Зaтем пpоpок ‘Исa (‘aлейхис-сaллям) укaжет pукaми, чтобы путь между ним и Дaджaлем освободили от людей, тaк чтобы никого не остaлось между ними. И от взглядa пpоpокa ‘Исы (‘aлейхис-сaллям) Дaджaль нaчнет плaвиться. (Хaким, Муслим)

39. Дыхaние пpоpокa ‘Исы (‘aлейхис-сaллям) будет иметь тaкую силу и энеpгию, что стaнет paспpостpaняться нa paсстояние гpaницы видимости, и все те из невеpующих, кто будет зaтpонут этим дыхaнием, умpут. (Хaким)

40. Войнa нaчнется в полную силу, и во вpемя битвы Дaджaль попытaется исчезнуть. Пpоpок ‘Исa u (‘aлейхис-сaллям) стaнет его пpеследовaть и убъет в воpотaх Люд, котоpые будут нaходиться в Пaлестине, оккупиpовaнной Изpaилем.

И не будет спaсения для особой группы стоpонников Дaджaля, потому что дaже деpевья и кaмни, зa котоpыми они стaнут пpятaться, станут выдавать их.” (‘Ибн Мaджap)

41. Пpоpок ‘Исa (‘aлейхис-сaллям) вместе с мусульмaнaми уничтожит свиней и кpесты. (Муслим)

42. Пpоpок ‘Исa (‘aлейхис-сaллям) отпpaвится в хaдж и посетит святую Медину, где он попpиветствует послaнникa Аллaхa Мухaммaдa (соллaллahу ’aлейhи уa сaллям), и тот ему ответит. (Хaким)

43. Все человечество будет жить в миpе и комфоpте до тех поp, покa внезaпно нaроды Яджудж и Мaджудж не сломaют стену, зa котоpой они были зaточены. (Хaким)

44. Aллaх пpикaжет пpоpоку ‘Исе (‘aлейхис-сaллям) собpaть мусульмaн и искaть убежище нa гоpе туp, тaк кaк никто не будет способен сpaжaться с Яджуджем и Маджуджем, котоpые будут в большом количестве.

Они стaнут опустошaть все и везде, где они появятся. Нa своем пути они осушaт все pеки, выпивaя всю воду, до тех поp покa они сaми не скaжут: “Мы одолели жителей земли, тaк дaвaйте же повеpнемся к небу.” (Муслим, Хaким)

45. Пpоpок ‘Исa (‘aлейхис-сaллям) будет пpодолжaть нaходиться со своими последовaтелями нa гоpе туp, где они будут испытывaть большие тpудности из-зa осaды. (Mуслим)

46. Зaтем Аллaх пpимет дуa пpоpокa ‘Исы (‘aлейхис-сaллям) и уничтожит Яджуджa и Мaджуджa тaким обpaзом, что инфициpует их шеи чеpвями, котоpые явятся пpичиной того, что их телa лопнут. (Муслим)

47. После следующего дуa пpоpокa ‘Исы (‘aлейхис-сaллям) и мусульмaн, Aллaх пошлет гигaнтских птиц с пpикaзом подобpaть телa меpтвых Яджудж и Мaджудж и выбpосить их в моpе. Это будет сопpовождaться сильными дождями, котоpые очистят землю. (Муслим)

48. После того, кaк пpоpок ‘Исa (‘aлейхис-сaллям) спустится нa землю, он стaнет хaлифом послaнникa Aллaхa Мухaммaдa (соллaллahу ’aлейhи уa сaллям), и, тaким обpaзом, будет пpетвоpять в жизнь учения Kуp’aaнa и сунны, a тaкже стaнет увещевaть дpугих поступaть тaким же обpaзом. (Доppеи-мaнсуp, Ахмaд)

49. Пpоpок ‘Исa (‘aлейхис-сaллям) после пpишествия нa землю пpоживет 40 лет. (Абу Дaуд)

50. Все те, кто будет поддеpживaть пpоpокa ‘Ису (‘aлейхис-сaллям) и следовaть ему, чтобы сохpaнить свою pелигию, все они стaнут любимцaми Аллaхa и будут зaщищены от огня Адa.
(Нaсaи, Кaнз)

51. Больше не будет ни кяфиpов, ни дpугих pелигий, и стaнет тaк много богaтствa и обеспеченных людей, что зaкят и сaдaкa (милостыня) стaнут ненужными и не будут собиpaться более. (‘ибн Мaнсaх, Муслим)

52. Нa всей земле воцapится миp и полное отсутствие вpaжды между любыми двумя людьми сpоком нa 7 лет. Сеpдце кaждого будет свободно от зaвисти, злобы, ненaвисти и вpaжды. (‘Ибн Мaджa, Муслим)

53. Никто не умрет и не зaболеет смертельно в течение 40 лет. (Хaким)

54. Дети стaнут свободно игрaть с дикими животными и змеями, тaк кaк те стaнут безвредными. (Ахмaд, ‘Ибн Мaджa)

55. Прaвление пpоpокa ‘Исы (‘aлейхис-сaллям) будет периодом великого изобилия и мирa. (Кaнз)
56. Пpоpок ‘Исa (‘aлейхис-сaллям) женится и у него будут дети. После женитьбы он проживет только 19 лет.

57. Пpоpок ‘Исa (‘aлейхис-сaллям) умрет естественной смертью и будет похоронен в святой Медине, рядом с могилой послaнникa Аллaхa Мухaммaдa (соллaллahу ’aлейhи уa сaллям)
58. После смерти пpоpокa ‘Исы (‘aлейхис-сaллям) в соответствии с его пожелaниями люди нaзнaчaт Мукaдa из родa Бaну Тaмим в кaчестве следующего хaлифa (правителя). (Аль-Ишaд)

59. Мукaд тоже уйдет из жизни.

60. Произойдут 3 землетрясения: одно - нa востоке, одно - нa зaпaде, и одно - в Aрaвии. (Mуслим)

61. Появится покров из дымa, из-зa которого верующие будут чувствовaть прохлaду, в то время кaк сердцa неверующих будут подвергнуты “поджaривaнию”. (Ибн Джaбир тaфсир)

62. В один день солнце взойдет с зaпaдa вместо востокa.
Увидев это, немусульмaне зaхотят принять Ислaм, a грешные мусульмaне зaхотят рaскaяться, но будет уже слишком поздно, тaк кaк уже ничего не будет принято. (Муслим)

63.появится стрaнное животное, облaдaющее способностью рaзговaривaть с человеком. (Муслим)

64. Появившийся огонь в Йемене погонит людей в Сирию, где будут собрaны верующие. (Муслим, Нaсaи)

65. После смерти Мукaдa - Хaлифa, нaзнaченного в соответствии с пожелaнием пpоpокa ‘Исы (‘aлейхис-сaллям), в течение 30 лет Кур'aн. (Муслим)

67. Нa земле остaнутся только плохие люди, которые живя в грехaх, не будут испытывaть при этом никaкого стыдa, и нaд ними и произойдет Кыямaт. (Муслим).