Qizlar qanday kiyinishi haqida

[someone]

Bismillahir Rohmanir Rohiym!

Assalomu-alaykum do'stlar! Sizlarning qizlarni qanday kiyinishi kerakligi
haqida yozgan fikrlaringizni o'qib, o'z fikrimni ham yozib qoldirishni istadim.

Birinchidan, 'hijob' milliy kiyim emas va u 'o'zbek' bo'lganligimiz uchun emas, balkim
MUSULMON bo'lganligimiz uchun kiyiladi. Ko'p yigitlar bu fikrga qo'shilsalar ham, negadir faqatgina 1 tomonlama fikr yuritganlar. Yani qizlarning bunday kiyim kiyishlarida faqatgina qizlarni ayblaganlar. Va holangki, o'zbek oilasida erkaklarimizning fikrlari ko'proq 'dominant' hisoblanadi. Nega endi o'shanday oilani boshqarish imkoniyati berilgan erkaklarimiz o'ta befarq bo'lib ketdilar? Yoki ular narigi dunyoda o'zlarining qilgan amallariga qo'shib, ahli oilaning qilgan amallariga ham javob berishi kerakligini unutdilarmi?

Ikkinchidan, ko'p qizlar bu fikrga qo'shilmagan va buni shahsiy ishlari deb qaraganlar, hatto buni o'ta beadablik deb hisoblaganlar ham topiladi. Qizlarimiz hijob kiyishning qanday yomon taraflarini topdi ekan, tushuna olmadim. Hijobni, qizlar, yuqori lavozimdagi bir ayolning fikriga binoan kiying deyilmaydi. HIJOB KIYISH ALLOH TOMONIDAN BUYIRILGAN. U hatto sunnat ham emaski, bajarsa savob olsa, lekin bajarmasa gunoh bo'lmasa.Men bu 'Western world'ning hech qanday bir 'attractive' tomonini topmadim. Bizning kelajagimiz ularga bog'liq emas va bu dunyoning narsasiga erishish uchun, har kimning orqasidan ergashib ketish yaramaydi. Bu Evropaliklarda na oriyat, na ibo bo'lsinki, biz qizlar ularga ergashsak.

Uchinchidan, nega endi yigitlar faqat qizlarni Islomiy amallarga rioya etishlarini talab qiladilar? Va holangki, Islomga erkak kishiga ham ko'p narsalar buyirilgan-ki, hozirgi kunda ko'p yigitlarimizda shu sifatlar topilmaydi. Sizlar, qizlarni hijob kiyishini hohlaysizlar, lekin hozirda yigitlarimiz kiyayotgan kiyimlarga qanday qaraysizlar? Yoki ularga 'shortik' yoki 'maykalar'da ko'chada yursa odobdanmi? Yigitlar qizlarni 'mini yubkalar'da ko'rib, g'alati bo'lsalar, qizlar ham yigitlarni bu holatda ko'rib, o'ta hursand bo'lmasalar kerak deb o'ylayman. Keyin,shu hijobga 'za' bo'lgan yigitlar Islom haqida, uning qonun qoidalari va Rasululloh(SAV)hayotlari haqida etarlicha bilib, keyin hulosa chiqardilarmi? Va ular bo'lajak ahli ayollarini hijobda yurishlariga nahotki qarshi emaslar?

Hullas, hulosa shuki, har kim o'z qilgan amaliga o'zi javob beradi. Islomda majburlash yo'q. Faqatgina haqiqatni (tushunishni istaganlarga) tushuntirish kerak holos. Bu hamma musulmonlarning ham huquqi,ham majburiyati. Agar o'zbek qizlari 'hijob' kiysalar hech qanday 'qoloq' insonga va 'shimda' yoki 'mini'da yursalar bir madaniyatli insonga aylanib qolmaydilar.

Ho'p sog' va salomat bo'linglar. Kirib kelayotgan Iydi Ramazon Muborak! :)

[Lucky]

waalaykum asslam wa rahmatullah,
qadrlik someone sizni va barcha umidchilarni hamda ahli islomni eid ul fitr bilan muborakbod etib quiyidagni ma'lum qilmoqchiman:
"Birinchidan, 'hijob' milliy kiyim emas va u 'o'zbek' bo'lganligimiz uchun emas, balkim MUSULMON bo'lganligimiz uchun kiyiladi." Hamma ham Muslim bo'lishni siz kabi tushunmiydi,va o'zbekiston muslimlar ko'pchilikni tashkil etadigon mamlakat bo'lgani bilan islomiy davlat emas shuning uchun ham hukumat ma'lum bir dinning talablarini butun aholiga nisbatan qo'llashni lozim topmaydi (eronga zidli o'laroq, ma'lumki eronda barcha ayollar hijobda bo'lishari shart).
"Ikkinchidan, ko'p qizlar bu fikrga qo'shilmagan va buni shahsiy ishlari deb qaraganlar, hatto buni o'ta beadablik deb hisoblaganlar ham topiladi." Qizlarimizning, umuman fuqarolarimizning qanday libosda yurishlari o'zlarinig ixtiyorida bo'lishi kerak.Biz demokratik jamiyat qurayotgan ekanmizmi, Hijobni hohlaganlar hijobni, miniskirtni istaganlar esa miniskirtni libos sifatida va o'zlariga ma'qul ko'rgan holda qo'llashlari shart. Bizlarga qanday kiyinishni o'rgatadigon Aql tayoqlar keark emas.Ularga indamsa ertaga tushlikka nima eyishimgacha buyurishadi.
"HIJOB KIYISH ALLOH TOMONIDAN BUYIRILGAN"-yana bir bor ta'kidlab o'tmoqchiman, juda kamchilik siz bildirgan fikrga qo'shilishadi, hatto boshiga tog'oraday qilib sallani o'rab yurgan mullolarimiz ham bilib bilmay hijob farz emas deb fatwo chiqarib qoyishgan (afsus).
"O'zbek"- degani muslim(a) degani emas, shuni unutmaylik. Ozbeklarning, ishonamanki, 70% muslim, oshalardan atigi 10% diniga to'liq amal qiladi.Islam dindan ko'ra koproq madaniytga aylanib qolgan va umuman Islam bilan aloqasi bo'lmagan islomga qadar mavjud bo'lgan eskichikning sarqit ammallari bilan qorishtirib yuborilganki, ko'pchilik islam deganda siz tushungan islamni tushunishmiydi (afsus).
"Hullas, hulosa shuki, har kim o'z qilgan amaliga o'zi javob beradi. Islomda majburlash yo'q"- shundoq ekan bizga na davlat va na din tomonidan axloqni o'qitadigon Aql tayoqlar keark emas, kimga nima kerak bo'lsa o'zi istaganini topsa va hayotida qollasa bo'ladi degan fikrdaman. Hato va kamchiliklar uchun ilgaritdan uzr so'rab tanqid va mulohazalarni qollab quvvatlayman.

[Freestyler]

Old Bullshit.

<Lucky>, don't waste your time

[MAZGI!!!]

salom bolalar,

Mani juda qiziqtirgan temani boshlabsizlar rahmat...
Someone nning gapiga qaraganda kup narsalarni aaytib utish musulmonlarning ham farzi ha qarzi... lekin mana shu narsaga man qushilmayman, mana shu narsani uzi bizni shaharlarimizda juda kup janjallarni keltirib chiqarayapti... 5-6 kuni Machitga borib, man musulmon ekanman, hammani tug'ri yulga boshlashim kerak ekan deb fikrlaydiganlar ham hato qilishadi va bunaqa fikrlar hozirgi jamiyatimizda hech qanaqa rol uynamaydi...

Sababi: Halq uzi fikrlay olish qobiliyatiga ega, bu narsa ruslar yodgorlik bulib qolgan huddi shunday ayollarimiz ham... Hozirgi kunda ayollarimiz erkaklar nima qilishsa usha narsani qilishga harakat qilishadi, man bu narsani maqullayman, yani hammaning tenglik qonuni...

Biz tan olamizmi yuqmi, usha siz yomonlaydigan G'arb kuturasi biz bosib utayotgan yulni bosib utishgan, va doim olg'a qarab ketmoqda... Biz esa ulardan kup narsalarni olamiz, deyarli hamma narsalarni... G'arb hayoti kupincha kishilik jamiyati deb ataladi, demokratiya. Biz ham mana shu narsani hohlaymiz, lekin bizda bu tuliq amalga oshirilmaydi, yani Prezidentimiz aytgandek, bizdagi demoktariya g'arbdagi emas... Buni har qanaqa qilib asoslab berish mumkin, G'arb demokratiyasi uta kishilik jamiyatini qullab quvvatlaydi, yani kallanga nima kelsa qilgin, faqat qonun doirasida... Bizda sal ramkadan chiqib ketsangiz, bu yoqdan otangiz bu yoqdan onangiz tinch quymaydi, endi kuchada qanaqa yuq bilan qarayman deb, bu bilan demoqchimanki bizda demokratiya aytilsa ham qilinishi juda qiyin, uni narsani davlat 1 yoki 2 ta qonun bilan uzgartira olmaydi...

Bu yirda Minilar haqida, yani kiyinish madaniyati buyicha gap bulib utibdi. Aslida kiyadigan kiyimni kupchilik kursin deb kiyamiz, huddi shunday qizlarimiz ham minilarni biron narsamni kursatay deb kiyishadi, agar erkaklar "Ola" kuz bilan qarashsa, qanaqa musulmonsan deb savol berishadi... Bu narsani balki usha savol beradigan odam tushunmasligi mumkin, lekin bu urtoqlar tabiat qonuni: ayol erkakka ola qilib qaraydi, erkak ayolga...
Bu narsa usha hijob orasida ham buladi, buni narsani yoshirmaslik kerak... Mana shuning uchun, hoh yalang'och yuradimi, hoh mini kiyadimi, hoh jeans kiyadimi man hech qaysi biriga qarshi emasman, faqat sevgan yoriga vafodor bulsa bulgani...;)
Chin dildan hudoga ishonsa bulgani...

P.S. Usha bizaga ba'zida " ey san gunoh qilayapsan deyadigan" odamlarga bir gapim bor, ertaga man narigi dunyoga ketsam ushanga ham san javob berasanmi, agar yuq desang nega man qilayotgan ishlarga aralashasan, san oldin uzing uchun javob berishni uyla, birovga urgatgandan kura....

[Cute+Optimist]

Qisqasi og'aynila, bunaqa fikrlar keng tarqalgan boardda bunaqa mavzuni ko'tarmagan ma'qul.
Omad Yangi yil bilan

[Alisher]

Endi qizlarni kiyinishini muhokama qilish qolgan edi.
Sizlarga nima, ayol kishi o'zi biladi qanday kiyinish kerakligini.
Happy New Year :):):):)

[Major]

to MAZGI

<blockquote><hr>"...Mana shuning uchun, hoh yalang'och yuradimi, hoh mini kiyadimi, hoh jeans kiyadimi man hech qaysi biriga qarshi emasman, faqat sevgan yoriga vafodor bulsa bulgani..."<hr></blockquote>

I don`t think you will like if your mother or sister or wife will walk in the streets naked. Or will you?

Cheers, /Images/Wilk.gif

[Xavi]

to Lucky

&lt;"HIJOB KIYISH ALLOH TOMONIDAN BUYIRILGAN"-yana bir bor ta'kidlab o'tmoqchiman, juda kamchilik siz bildirgan fikrga qo'shilishadi>

gapingizdagi "kamchilik" so'zi no-musulmonlar to'grisida aytilgan bolsa kerak?! musulmon bo'lgan odam, wa o'zini diynini yaxshilab o'rgangan odam farz emas deyishga Xudodan qo'rqadi. cunki farzni farz emas degan odam, dindan chiqib, kofir bo'ladi. bu islomdagi asosiy qoidalardan hosoblanadi.

to Mazgi:

&lt;Usha bizaga ba'zida " ey san gunoh qilayapsan deyadigan" odamlarga bir gapim bor, ertaga man narigi dunyoga ketsam ushanga ham san javob berasanmi, agar yuq desang nega man qilayotgan ishlarga aralashasan, san oldin uzing uchun javob berishni uyla, birovga urgatgandan kura....>

bilsangiz, Islom dinida yaxshilikka chaqirish va yomonlikdan qaytarish farzi bor. shuning uchun musulmon bolgan odamning o'zga birodarini to'gri yolga chaqirish farz hisoblanadi. buni "menga aql orgatayapti"-deb, qarash kerak emas. U o'z vazifasini bajarayapti. albatta bu to'gri yo'lga boshlash o'zini musulmon hisoblagan odamga aytiladi. Ko'chadagi aroq ishib o'tirgan dinsizga borib aytilmaydi albatta!

endi "meni o'rnimga sen javob berasanmi" degan so'zingizga kelsak, javob : agar musulmon birodaringiz, (sizni musulmonligingizni bilagan odam) sizga gunoh ish qilayotganingizni eslatmasa u ham qiyomatda javob beradi.

salomat bo'ling

xavi

[SUN6500]

Ha endi kunimiz shunga qolibdi...Bittasi Tolibon edi ayollarni ishtonigacha aralashdigan. Endi bo'lsa o'zimizning oramizda ayollarning ichki liboslarini kontrol qiluvchilar topiliyapti... dahshat, naqadar Johillik!

[what]

Salom bolalar barchangizga...

Iltimos yozganlarimni ohirigacha bez predvzyatogo mneniya o'qishga harakat qiling.

Ushbu temani ko'targan bolaga rahmat. Azgincha bo'lsa ham uni Alloh yo'lida harakat qilgan deb hisoblayman.
Hammangiz bilasiz Umid MB da har hil temalar ko'tarilayapti... Lekin bularning ko'pi (Ziyayev yahshi yoki yomon, kim patriot kim esa yo'q, kim UZBga qaymapti kim qaytipti...) bu prosto Alloh nazdida tufta. Va iltimos agar sal Imoninglar bo'lsa (hammaga emas) bir narsani qat'iyan aytishga qo'rqinglar, a vdrug......

Man juda ham hursandmanki ozmi-ko'pmi Islomga ishonadigan va tayanadigan bolalar yo'q emas. Jannatga ham hamma kiravermaydi, Jahanammga esa O'TIN ham kerak. Qaltis hazildir, uzr. SUN6500 johil nimaligini yahshi bilib olsangiz yomon bo'lmaydi. Odam USda o'qib eng ilg'or tehnologiyalardan habardor bo'lib 24 soatlab Net dan bahramand bo'laturib ham Johil bo'lsa ajab emas. Lekin har qanday qishloqdagi ko'p narsadan habari bo'lmagan bir kolhozchi ham yorqin va tiniq fikrga ega bo'lishi hech gap emas.

Keyin kimdir Islomdagi qoyidalar to'g'riligini isbotlamoqchi bo'lib 100% uddasidan chiqmasa ham bu uning kamchiligi bo'lishi mumkin (Islomning qoloqligi emas), lekin baribir u kishiga savob yoziladi chunki u sidqidildan harakat qilgan. Mani gaplarim yoqmayotgan bo'lsa o'qimangiz, lekin bu boardda har kim (ayniqsa umidchilar) hohlaganini yozish huquqiga ega va iltimos ukazivat qilmangalar! Demokratiyaning ko'pchilik aytgani va tanlagani to'g'ri degani ham tufta gap. Haq faqat bitta bo'ladi, va balki yer yuzida 6 milliard insondan bir kishida bo'lishi mumki, ammo u baribir HAQdir.

Shu thread ning o'zida ham manga hamfikr bir necha kishi bo'lganining o'zi ham katta gap. Juda katta gap.
Yana bitta iltimos Tolibon etc. larni Islomning representativelari sifatida qaramang... Haqiqiy Islom daje Saudiyada ham amalda yo'qdir...

Omon bo'ling
(Birodarlarimga Waassalama)

[O'zbek]

Qizlarimiz qanday kiyinadi, qanday yo'q, bu menimcha shu qizlarning shahsiy ishlari bo'lishi kerak.
Agar e'tibor bergan bo'lsanglar, respublikaning har bir joyida qizlar bir hil kiyinmaydi, masalan Toshkentda o'ta Evropacha, Vodiyning katta shaharlarida va umuman boshqa joylarda ham muhitga qarab, aholi ichidagi evropa millatining ko'pligiga qarab har hil kiyinishadi.
Men demoqchi bo'lgan narsa, hamma narsani halqning o'ziga qo'yib berish kerak, ya'ni halq shuni yahshi, normal holat deb hisoblasa bunga qarshi borish befoyda.
Aqlli qizlar hech qachon ma'lum bir hududdagi kiyinish madaniyatidan ancha ustun yoki past bo'lgan kiyim kiyishmaydi, o'z orini, kelajaigini o'ylab.
Yana bir narsa Toshkentda oddiy hol bo'lgan narsa ko'p boshqa joylarda revolutsion sanalishi mumkin. Buni ham tragediya qilmay qabul qilish lozim. Dinni aralashtirib buning oldini olish esa menimcha Islomni yana hammaning ko'ziga yomon qilib ko'rsatadi. O'zingiz o'ylang, 100 yil oldin ayollarning yuzini ko'rish mumkin emasdi. Agar yana paranji, hijob sistemasini majburlashsa hech kim qabul qilmasa kerak.
Milliy g'ururimizni, madaniyatimizni saqlashni esa boshqa yo'llar bilan ham amalga oshirish mumkin.

[SUN6500]

Qizlarning qanday kiyinishi va o'zining tutishi bu yangi mavzu emas. Bunda oldin ham bir necha marta ushbu mavzu ko'tarilgan edi, va bundan keyin ham ko'tariladi. Gapning dodasini aytadigan bo'lsak, qanday bu mavzuga qaramang, hammasi borib ayollarning cheklanilishiga qaratilgan, buni men oldin ham aytib o'tgan edim. Shu tufayli "Johil" nimaligini axborotingiz uchun juda yaxshi bilamiz chunki hozirgacha ushbu boardda (hamda boshqa boardlarda ham) shunga qarshi kurashib kelganmiz.
Siz fikr bildirgan:
"Odam USda o'qib eng ilg'or tehnologiyalardan habardor bo'lib 24 soatlab Net dan bahramand bo'laturib ham Johil bo'lsa ajab emas" degan fikringizga juda qo'shilaman.
Shu tufaily O'zbeklar aytganidek "Eshakni safarga yuborsa Ot bo'lib qaytaydi" degan maqoli juda o'rinlidir. Ko'r odam ko'rligicha qoladi garchi jahon kezib millat ko'rsa ham. Odamlarning ayni paytda xalqimizning qornini to'yg'izish, iqtisodni yaxshilash, poraxo'rlikni yo'q qilish, va rakdan o'lib ketayotga minglab Orol bo'yi bolalarni hayotini qutqarish o'rniga ayollarning etagiga aralashib, "ayollar kafanga o'ralib yurishi kerakmi, yo'qmi" uy xayollarga berilish bu ushbu shaxsning o'ta johilligidan dalolat beradi. Uzr agar qaltis gapirgan bo'lsam.
Yana bir fikr. O'z firkringizni bildirar ekansiz, va o'z fikringizga ishonchingiz komil ekan, Anonymizerdan foydalanish ne darkor ?

[mustafa]

SUN6500 you are absolutely right.

Prejde vsego jenchini-ludiy kak i mujchini. Ih organi vipolnyaut te je funkciy chto i u mujchin(be serious and forget the things in your mind).
Ras mujchini imeyut pravo na vibor pochemu jenchini ne imeyut takoe je pravo.

Ya ne protiv religiy no eto bolezn dlya naroda. We've been used to our way of knowing the religion (Islam) under the USSR and seems we are stuck with this at the moment.
Teper, esli prinesem takuyi religioznuyi ideologiy to u nas jivut russkie, koreici itd. I chto oni toje doljni odevat paranji.

Ya uvajauy vash vibor bit religioznim, no zachem travit drugih s takimi ideyami. Kto to tut govoril ya budu otvechat za sebya i ti otvechai za sebya. Simple as that.

Finally, someone are you Farruh from Navoi (I guess you are)

Mustafa

[Lucky]

Barcha ahli muslim wa muslimalarga Allahning rahmati wa barakatlari bo'lsin.
To Sun6500;):"rakdan o'lib ketayotga minglab Orol bo'yi bolalarni hayotini qutqarish o'rniga ayollarning etagiga aralashib, "ayollar kafanga o'ralib yurishi kerakmi, yo'qmi" uy xayollarga berilish bu ushbu shaxsning o'ta johilligidan dalolat beradi"- Juda o'rinli va maqul fikr. Ammo qadrli do'stim bir narsani unutmaylik, bizarni eng birinchi erishmoqchi bo'lgan niyatimiz Tinchlikdir. Tinchlik bo'lsa orzu qilgan boshqa niyatlarimiz Allah lozim topgan bo'lsa amalga oshadi.
Xosh tinchlikka qandoq erishiladi? Mustahkam chegarami? Ilg'or iqtisodmi? Yoki qonun ustivorligimi? Hech birisi tinchlikka to'liq kafolat beraolmaydi (ishonchim qat'iy). Tinchlik avvalambor Qalbda ornatiladi, qalb tinch bo'lsa kishi tinch bo'ladi. Sahxs tinch bo'lgan oilda shaxslar tinch bo'ladi. Oilalar tinch bo'lsa, mahalla tinch bo'ladi va nihoyat mahallar tinch bo'lsa butun o'lka tinch bo'ladi. Bilamizki Oila Mamlakatning Atomi hisoblanadi, agar atom bo'linsa (fiziklar bilishadi jaa ko'p energiya ajarlib chiqib Atom reaktsiyasini keltirib chiqishgacha boradi, o'zlariniz Hirosima-Nagasakini yahshi bilasizlar)jamiyatda huddi uran atomlari bo'linganidek ota havfli va zararli jismlar (buzulgan oilalar, yetim farzandlar) vujudga keladki butun jamiyatni kasofat uradi (Rossiya, Skandinaviya davlatlari, xususan AQSHdagi jamiyatlarda yuz berayotgan inqirozlar buning yaqqol misoli bola oladilar:sanab o'tsa adog'i yoq AIDS,Psycholgical Depression, Suicide (Yoddan kotarmaylik eng farovon, demokratiya normalariga javob beruvchi Sweden butun jahonda aholi jon boshiga nisbatan "O'z joniga suiqasd" qilish boyicha birinchi o'rinda turadi, Ular(ilg'or g'arb davlatlari) fuqarolarini Allahning izmi ila farovon hayotga olib chiqishgananlari bilan, eng oddiy wa sodda muammolarni hal qilish oldida ojiz qoldilar, Bu oddiy wa sodda muammolarni Islam 1400 yil ilgari go'zal bir namunalar bilan hal qilgan qo'ygan: O'z qizlarini triklay ko'mib, onasini (ha, onasini) xotinlikka olib yurgan Bedouin arablar qisqa fursatda o'z davrining sarvarlariga aylanishgan)).
Ma'lumingizkim onalarimiz, singil-opa, holayu wa kelinlarimiz shak shubhasiz oilanlarimizing yadrolaridirlar. Bola birinchi tarbiyani birinchi o'qituvchisi bo'lmish go'zal wa oqila ayollarimizdan olishadilar. Agarda ayollarimiz iymonsiz, iffatsiz, tarbiyasiz wa kasalmannd bo'lishsa (Ruhiy wa jismoniy) Qadrli SUN6500 bizning so'glom avlodni kutishimizga wa siz sanab o'tgan muammolarimizni hal etish ustida oylashga imkonimiz bolmaydi (chunki unaqa hollarda fikrlik insonlarning o'zlari noyob wa kamyob bo'lishadi.) Islam bizning halqimizning qalbi, ongi wa shuuriga haqiqiy iymon, hayo, iffat tushunchalarini olib kirgan (ishonmasangiz bu so'zlarning o'zaglariga boqing bari arab tilidan kirib kelgan so'z wa tushunchalardir.) Demak, biz suhbatlashayotgan mavzu siz sanab o'tgan mavzularning barchasidan ham ahamiyatliroq ekan wa siz tassavur etganchalik ahamiyatsiz emas ekan.
"ayollar kafanga o'ralib yurishi kerakmi, yo'qmi"- osha biz nazarda tutgan ayollarimizning ba'zi birlariga o'sha kafan ham uvol, umrida shahadatni aytmagan kishilarni janozasini o'qib komyamiza shuning o'zi katta gapdir (bu jamiyatda fitna bo'lmasin degan maqsadda qilinadi). AQSH da nomusiga tegilgan ayollar "Police Department"ga keltirilganda Eng Birinchi so'raladigan savol "Xonim qanaqa Libosda Edingiz?"dir, aksincha "yoshingiz nechada? osha muttahamni tanib qoldingizmi?" kabi savollar emasdir. Har soatda AQSH da (statistik ma'lumotlarga ko'ra)mingga yaqin ayollarning nomusiga tegiladi, wa bu albatta dahshatlik ko'rsatkichdir. Ishonchingiz komil bo'lgandir aynan nima uchun ayollarimizning qanaqa kim kiyinishlari ustida qayg'rayotganimizga(albatta biz AQSH dagi salbiy natijalarni o'z oldimizga demokratik tamoyillar sifatida qoyib olmaganmiz;).)Hukumatimiz tashabbusi bilan birin ketin yillarimiz Oila,Ayollar and etc. deb atalishi ham bejis bo'lmasa kerak.
TO Xavi:"gapingizdagi "kamchilik" so'zi no-musulmonlar to'grisida aytilgan bolsa kerak?! musulmon bo'lgan odam, wa o'zini diynini yaxshilab o'rgangan odam farz emas deyishga Xudodan qo'rqadi. cunki farzni farz emas degan odam, dindan chiqib, kofir bo'ladi. bu islomdagi asosiy qoidalardan hosoblanadi."- afsus fikrimda qattiq turishimga to'g'ri keladi, buni halqimiz orasida hijobga bo'lgan munosabatdan bilsak ham bo'ladi, niqobni aytib o'tirmasak bo'lsa ham kerak. Allah farz qilgan amallarning (ayniqsa sola't(namoz)ning) farzligini ko'pchilik opa ukalarimiz bilshmiydiyu (yoki bilshsa ham amal qilsihmaydi), hijob masalasinig farz yoki farz emasligi to'g'risida bahslashishga kishi uylaib ketadi (eski Toshkan, wa Vodiyning ba'zi mintaqalari bundan mustasno.) Islamning ustuni bo'lmish Sola't ni yodidan chiqarib sunnat toyini unutmagan wa dabdabalr bilan o'tqizadigon halqimga tasannolar aytgim keladi (boshimni bolish ostiga olib uvvos solib yig'lagim keladi.)
Cheers ;). :)

[SUN6500]

Avf etasiz, ammo fikringizga qo'shila olmayman.

"Ammo qadrli do'stim bir narsani unutmaylik, bizarni
eng birinchi erishmoqchi bo'lgan niyatimiz Tinchlikdir.
Tinchlik bo'lsa orzu qilgan boshqa niyatlarimiz
Allah lozim topgan bo'lsa amalga oshadi."

Avvalom bor, "husn og'izdan kiradi" deyishgan. Siz aytib o'tgan tinchlikka erishish och qoringan to'g'ri kelmaydi

"Tinchlik avvalambor Qalbda ornatiladi, qalb
tinch bo'lsa kishi tinch bo'ladi. Sahxs tinch
bo'lgan oilda shaxslar tinch bo'ladi. Oilalar
tinch bo'lsa, mahalla tinch bo'ladi va nihoyat
mahallar tinch bo'lsa butun o'lka tinch bo'ladi."

Qalbingiz tinchlanishi uchun avvalambor siz o'zingizni bolalaringizni kelajagini o'ylashingiz lozim. Ayni paytda O'zbekistonda kelajak tugul odamlar ertaga nima ovqat eyishi to'g'risida bosh qotirib yurishibdi. Bolalar esa o'qish tugul bozorda non sotib yurishibdi. Qalb tinchlanishi uchun avvalambor shaxsning miyasi tinch bo'lishi lozim. Miya tinchlanishi uchun zarur mablag', oilangizning qorni to'q, usti but bo'lishi kerak. Shunday ekan, qadrli do'stim, istaysizmi yo'qmi siz aytgan oila tinchligi borib iqtisodga taqaladi.

Siz aytib o'tgan iqtisodiy farovonlikka uchragan AQSHning inqirozi, ya'ni:

"xususan AQSHdagi jamiyatlarda yuz berayotgan inqirozlar
buning yaqqol misoli bola oladilar:sanab o'tsa adog'i
yoq AIDS,Psycholgical Depression, Suicide..."

Ushbu illatlarning asli ildizi nima ekanligini allaqachon aniqlashgan, ya'ni kuniga 12-14 soatlab ishlashi natijasida oilaga hayotida etarli darajada ishtirok etolmayotgan ota-onalardir. Buni "Corporate America" deyishadi. Garchi AQSH dunyoda eng boy mamlakat bo'lsada asosiy diqqat e'tibor oilaning farovonligiga emas balki corporatsiyalrning farovonligiga qaratilgan. Unga nisbatan "kambag'alroq" hisoblangan Portugal, Spain, Belgium, Luxemborg, Denmark aholisining ahvoli ANCHA yaxshidir chunki diqqat e'tibor oilaga nisbatan ancha ajratilgan.


" "O'z joniga suiqasd" qilish boyicha birinchi
o'rinda turadi, Ular(ilg'or g'arb davlatlari)
fuqarolarini Allahning izmi ila farovon hayotga
olib chiqishgananlari bilan, eng oddiy wa sodda
muammolarni hal qilish oldida ojiz qoldilar, Bu
oddiy wa sodda muammolarni Islam 1400 yil ilgari
go'zal bir namunalar bilan hal qilgan qo'ygan:
O'z qizlarini triklay ko'mib, onasini (ha, onasini)
xotinlikka olib yurgan Bedouin arablar qisqa fursatda
o'z davrining sarvarlariga aylanishgan))."

Agar haqiqatan Islom "Allahning izmi ila farovon hayotga" olib chiqishni hal etgan bo'lganda Eronda yohud Afg'onistonda o'z joniga suiqasd qilganlarning soni deyarli yo'q bo'lar edi. Amma ajablanarlisi shuki, o'z joniga suiqasd qilganlarning soni ushbu mamlakatlarda kundan sayin ortib bormoqda. Xo'sh, so'raymiz, agar ahli Islom ushbu "muammolarni" "go'zal namunalar" bilan 1400 yil oldin hal qilgan bo'lsa nimaga haligacha o'z joniga qasd qilganlarning soni ushbu mamlakatlarda oshib bormoqda ??
Nimaga haligacha, Pokiston Islom Respublikasi bo'lmish davlatda kichik bolalar (5-6 yosh) tunu kun gilam ustahonalarida ip yigirishadi ? Nima sababdan haligacha o'sha "Islom davlati" hisoblanmish davlatlarda haligacha quldorlik (ha, quldorlik!) mavjud?

"bizning so'glom avlodni kutishimizga wa siz
sanab o'tgan muammolarimizni hal etish ustida
oylashga imkonimiz bolmaydi"

Nima sababdan ? Garchi hozir imkoningiz bo'lmasada ushbu muammolar to'g'risida gapirish juda o'rinli. Agar bu muammolarni siz va men hal qilolmasak hech bo'lmaganda boshqalarning qo'li tegar. Ammo sizning,mening va boshqalarning mulohazalardan ba'zi bir shaxslar bahramand bo'lib shoyad shunga qo'l urnasa.

""ayollar kafanga o'ralib yurishi kerakmi, yo'qmi"-
osha biz nazarda tutgan ayollarimizning ba'zi birlariga
o'sha kafan ham uvol, umrida shahadatni aytmagan kishilarni
janozasini o'qib komyamiza shuning o'zi katta gapdir
(bu jamiyatda fitna bo'lmasin degan maqsadda qilinadi). "

Sizning tepada aytib o'tilgan firklaringiz juda ajablanarli. Avvalambor siz va men kafan o'sha ayollarga uvolmi yo'qmi, bunga nisbatan biz qaror chiqara olmaymiz. Har bir shaxs Allohning ko'zi bilan qaralar ekan u shaxsga nisbatan alohida e'tibor ajratiladiva faqatgina Alloh o'zining karami bilan o'sha shaxsga nisbatan qaror chiqara oladi xolos. Siz va men Allohning nomidan qaror chiqarib ularga baho berishimizga haqqimiz yo'q! Shunday ekan o'sha ayollarga kafan uvolmi yo'qmi buni siz na siz va bosqa ahli musulmon qaror chiqarishiga haqqi yo'q! U shaxs xudo oldida va tanho xudo oldida javob beradi, xolos. Shaxsning tashqi ko'rinishiga emas balki qilmishini inobatga olishimiz lozim. Shaxsan menga har yili hajga borib, toat-ibodat qiladigan ammo kichkina bolalarni o'qishdan mahrum qilib kuni bo'yi ip yigirisga majbur qilgan iflosdan nasroniy bolalar doktori ming baravar afzalroqdir.

Siz aytgan nomusga tegilgan ayollarning soni Eronda ham ancha muncha, shu jumladan Afg'onistonda ham. Ammo AQSHdagi ayollardan ularning farqi shundaki ular poliziyaga adolat izlab borishadi va adolatning yutib chiqqaniga shohid bo'lishadi. Islom davlatlarida esa (shu jumladan Kosovada), nomusi poymol bo'lgan ayollar sir saqlashadi, aytishga qattiq uyalishadi chunki o'z oilasi olarni oq qilishidan qo'rqib, yohud o'zining ustidan kerosin quyib yoqib yuborishadi (garchi ularning hech aybi bo'lmasada! Kosovolik ayollar qanchalik darajada poymol bo'lishdi ammo juda kamdan kami chiqib jinoyatchilarni qo'l ko'rsatib berishmadi!!! Natijada o'sha jinoyatchilar ozodlikda yurishibdi). Shunday ekan o'z hayotiga qasd qilganlarning soni musulmon davlatlarida ancha muncha ammo bu to'g'risida hech gapirmaydi chunki bu Islom dinida juda uyat va statistika yo'q. Siz aytib o'tgan AQSH, Sweden davlatlari demokratik tarzda har bir statistikani yozib boradi va illatlarga nisbatan kurashadi.

Gapning po'stkallasini aytsak, Islom ahli 1400 yildan buyon "Ayollarni yuzini berkitish kerakmi yoki yo'qmi" masalasi ustida bosh qotiradi. Bir avlod chiqib ayollarning yuzini ochsa, ikkinchi avlod kelib ularning yuzini berkitadi. Shu paytning o'zida esa, Xristianlar Marsga apparat yuborib, Genetika, siz aytan Nuclear Physics natijasi bo'lmish Yadro, Computer sohalarini rivojlantirib borishmoqda.
Ahli Islom esa 1400 yildan buyon haligacha eski hammom eski toz bilan quchog'lashib turishibi.

[np.com]

to SUN6500.

A ti sluchayno ne christian ?

[Lucky]

Barchalaringizga tinchlik wa omonlik ahli muslim,
Qadrlik SUN5600, fikrlaringizni to'liq tushundim wa maroq ila o'qidim.Waqtingizni olib ushdu javobni yozganingiz wa ajoyib bahs kayfiyatini tashkil etganingizdan minnatdorman. Afsus ming bor afsus men A desam siz BE debsizu;), xatimini maroq ila oq'imabsiz ham tushunmabsiz ham (afsus).Sizning savolingiz:"Xo'sh, so'raymiz, agar ahli Islom ushbu "muammolarni" "go'zal namunalar" bilan 1400 yil oldin hal qilgan bo'lsa nimaga haligacha o'z joniga qasd qilganlarning soni ushbu mamlakatlarda oshib bormoqda ??"- Mavzudan qochibsiz, diqqat bilan o'qing mening javobimni,"Bu oddiy wa sodda muammolarni Islam 1400 yil ilgari go'zal bir namunalar bilan hal qilgan qo'ygan" O'qigan bo'lsangiz men "Ahli Islom" degan so'zni emas, Islam degan so'zni ma'qul topganman wa o'rinlik ishlatganman, hozir islam ba'zi indivuduallarda bor ammo ahli islomda tom ma'nodagi Islam yoq. Ular islam tufayli shu achinarli holga tushganlari yoq, ular Islamni toptaganlari uchun ushbu achinarlik holga tushishgan. Dinni daromad manbai qilib olgan ba'zi mullo wa mullawchalarimiz, amir wa xonlarimiz bachchabozlik o'rniga dinini mashq qilganlarida ushbu ayanchlik holga tushishmasdikimi balk. Eron, afgh'onistonni islam namunasi sifatida misol qilib keltiribsiz, kim sizga ushbu davlatlarni islom davlatlari deb aytishdi?(siyosatdonlarmi, yoki kitob wa gazetalaringizmi?) Islomiy jamiyatni o'zida mujassam etgan dawlat yer yuzida mawjud emas, mawjud bo'lganda ham dawlat deb emas Islom xalifatligi deb atalishi kerak bo'lardi. Siz sanab o'tgan dawlatlarda o'zbekistondaki ka'bi muslimlar yashashi mumkin, ammo islam miltillab ochayotgan sham kibi yonib turibdi.
Oxirgi 10 yilda Buyuk Britaniyada Muslim ayollarning soni 2mln dan oshdi ,Allahga shukrlar bo'lsin,yana statistik ma'lumotlarga murojaat qilamiz. Ushbu ayollar o'rtasida nomusga tegilish hodisasi 1% ga ham bormas ekan. Buni qanday izohlashimiz mumkin? Ushbu singil wa opalarimizni liboslarida ko'rgan muttahamlar azbaroyi qo'rqqanlaridan juftakni rostlab yuborishadi, qo'shimcha javob ushbu singil wa opalarimiz keraksiz joyda wa keraksiz paytda bo'lmaydilar, e'tibor qilsangiz eng ko'p nomusga tegiladigon waqt kech 9.00-12.00 atrofi wa bu hodisaning qurbonlari parklarda, discobarlarda, pana ko'chalrda, wa ayniqsa yol'giz, yarim yalang'och yurgan ayollar bo'lishadi. Bizning islomiy singillarimiz adashmasam asrni borib uyida o'qishadilar bu degani ular kun botishidan 2 soat ilgari uylarida bo'lishadilar( men ishlaydigon opa singil wa onaxonlarimizzi nazarda tutvoman).
Uzr qalb tinchligiga urgu beribmanu unga qanday erishishni aytmabman( bu juda mushkul masaladir;)) Bunga erishishning bitta yoli bor, boshqa yo'llarni izlab o'tirishga maslahat bermayman, yoq ham. Olamlarning Robbisi, Haq kunining Egasi, Rahmonir Rahiym bo'lgan zotga taningiz wa qalbingiz ila to'liq taslim bo'lasiz (in other words Total submission), qandoq qilib qalbingiz sokin bo'lib qolganini o'zingiz bilmay ham qolasiz:). Islam tufayli farovonlikka erishgan ahli islam 1000 yillarcha oldin quvurlik hojatxonalarda hordiq chiqarishib, issiqqina hammomlarda orom olishganda hozirgi sivilaztsiyaning "BOSHLARI", axlatlarini derazlaridan ko'chaga irg'itishardi, hammom tugul ovqatlanishdan oldin qo'l yuvishni bilishmasdi. Dono shoirimiz G'afur G'ulom aytib o'tganidek " Bizda logarifmaning murakkab misollari qo'ldagi barmoqlarday oddin qilnganda hal, Churchilning bobolari oliy irq davogari hatto sanay olmasdi o'n barmoqni mukammal." Bizarda karantin Quronda amir qilinganidek qollanilgan paytlarda Yevropa o'zinig "dark ages"( biz uchun "light ages" bo'lgan, hozir "dark Ages" da otirimiza)zamonida baloyi battar kasalliklaridan qirilib ketayotgan edi. O'sha 5 yoshida Quronni yod bilgan Ibn Sino yozgan "Tib Qonunlari"(Kanon vrachebnoy nauki)ni 19 asr gacha oliy ta'lim dargohlarida darslik sifatida qo'llab kelishgan. Birinchi compassni yasab, Astrolobe ni mukammal ko'rinishga keltigan, Ma'mun, Bag'dod akademiyalarini, jahonda Eng Yirik Shahar wa Jutubxonalarni barpo etgan islam ummati faqat ayollarning libosini muhokama qilib o'tirmagandir siz aytganingiz kabi. Bu muhokamani aksincha biz qilvomiza, tushunish darajasi jaa yuqorilab ketganligi uchun undan nariga o'tolamayamiza, chunki sizlarning tushunishlaringiz bir oz qiyin kechvotti;)."Corporate America" deysizmi, wa evoropa ucun boshqa bir yangi nom topasizmi bu hali Uzoq davom etadigan kasallikning illatlari(simptomlaridir)dir kasallik o'zini hali namoyish etgani yoq. Biz G'arb Izidan ketvomiza, g'arb nafsining izidan ketvotti. Payg'ambarimiz bir necha bor hadisi muboraklarida bizlarni ushbu holga tushishimizni bilib shundoq degan wa bizni bundan ogohlantirgan (afsus ingliz tilida) "Whoever imitates a people he is one of them." And also, "You will follow the tradition of those people who came before you exactly..." [this portion is in the two saheehs] And he confirmed, when asked whether he meant the Jews and the Christians, by saying "who else?" [Ahmad, Aboo Dawood, hasan hadeeth)"Knowledge of Islam will be taken away while ignorance will increase. This removal of knowledge will be because old scholars will die and fewer and fewer new scholars will replace them. The leaders of the Muslims will be chosen from ignorant people, and they will rule according to their whims." [Today, studying Islam formally is considered to be an inferior career in most of the Muslim world. The leaders of the Muslim world are more known for their political or military prowess (oppressive ability?) than Islamic knowledge.] Anas ibn Malik said, "I shall tell you a Hadith which I heard from the Messenger of Allah, and which no-one will tell you after me. I heard him say, 'Among the signs of the Hour will be the disappearance of knowledge and the appearance of ignorance. Adultery will be prevalent and the drinking of wine will be common. The number of men will decrease and thenumber of women will increase until there will be fifty women to be looked after by one man.' " This Hadith was reported in the two Sahihs from the Hadith of 'Abd Rabbihi." Sanaversam adog'i yoq. gapning po'st kallasi yana bir bor ta'kidlayman men A desam siz ham Be debsiz, men buni johillik deb tushunaman.
Cheers:)

[SUN6500]

Hahahaa...very nice try np.com :) Sleduyushiy raz popitaysa skazat chto nibud umnee :)

[SUN6500]

"Sanaversam adog'i yoq. gapning po'st kallasi yana bir bor ta'kidlayman men A desam siz ham Be debsiz, men buni johillik deb tushunaman"

Avvalam bor meni johil deb sanashdan oldin, johillik nimaligini yaxshi tushunib olishni maslahat beraman. Sizning maktubingizni juda yaxshi o'qib va tushunib olganman. Hech qanaqasiga, "siz A desangiz men Be" deb javob qaytarganim yo'q. Marhamat qilib qaytatdan javobimni qunt qilib o'qing. Hech kim mavzudan qochgan ham yo'q, mavzuning asli muddaosi Qizlarning kiyinishi to'g'risida edi, va men shunga nisbatan javob bergan edim. Shunday ekan men yozgan javobim siz bildirgan fikrlaringizga nisbatan bo'lgan fikrim.
Afg'oniston va Eronni Islom davlati sifatida namuna qilgan edim, chunki ularning ulamolari ushbu davlatlarni Islom davlati deb e'lon etishgan va agarda siz ularga e'tiroz bildirsangiz, ishonchingiz komil bo'lsimkin sizni ular pusulmonga chiqarishadi, va xalq munga qo'shiladi. Kuch zo'rniki.

Siz Islom dunyosining tarixiy yutug'larini namuna qilibsiz, bunga hech kim e'tiroz bildirmayapti va bildirmaydi ham. Ammo qisqa iloha aytib o'tmoqchimanki, gap hozirgi zamon to'g'risida ketayapti. Bir vaqtalrda Misr ham ulkan civilizaziyaga ega bo'lgan, shuni esdan chiqarmaslik kerak. Bundan tashqari tarixdan gapiradigan bo'lsak, hazrati Ulug'bekni boshini kesdirganlar ham din ahli ulamolari bo'lgan...

Well, since you switched to English at the very end of your paragraph, pleas allow me to express my opinion regarding your article. It is important to name things right. I am by no means trying to portray other religions in a pink light, by no means. I think what you've described about religion and our aspiration to it, it is still remainig very elusive, and beyond the grasp. You spoke about halifat, and my question is if there any guarantee that it will not get corrupted as any other state ?? I don't think there is any guarantee to it, so I think this conversation is quite fruitless due to a very reason that you cannot guarantee it follow the path it determined from the beggining. There is no guarantee it will deviate and human nature won't take over.

Cheers :)

[Lucky]

*Every minute of every day more than one woman is reported raped in this country. *
(November 1993 National Victim Center Statistics)

*Sexual assault occurs every 45 seconds. (AMA 1995)*

*At least 20% of adult women have been sexually assaulted in some form during their lifetime 61% of victims are under the age of 18. (AMA 1995) *
74% of rape or sexual assault victims were most likely to know the offender(s) (current or former spouses, boyfriends, and girlfriends).
"Why did Muslim societies deviate from the ideals of Islam? There is no easy answer. A penetrating explanation of the reasons why Muslims have not adhered to the Quranic guidance with respect to women would be beyond the scope of this study. It has to be made clear, however, that Muslim societies have deviated from the Islamic precepts concerning so many aspects of their lives for so long. There is a wide gap between what Muslims are supposed to believe in and what they actually practice. This gap is not a recent phenomenon. It has been there for centuries and has been widening day after day. This ever widening gap has had disastrous consequences on the Muslim world manifested in almost all aspects of life: political tyranny and fragmentation, economic backwardness, social injustice, scientific bankruptcy, intellectual stagnation, etc. The non-Islamic status of women in the Muslim world today is merely a symptom of a deeper malady. Any reform in the current status of Muslim women is not expected to be fruitful if not accompanied with more comprehensive reforms of the Muslim societies' whole way of life. The Muslim world is in need for a renaissance that will bring it closer to the ideals of Islam and not further from them. To sum up, the notion that the poor status of Muslim women today is because of Islam is an utter misconception. The problems of Muslims in general are not due to too much attachment to Islam, they are the culmination of a long and deep detachment from it..."Say to the believing men that they should lower their gaze and guard their modesty......And say to the believing women that they should lower their gaze and guard their modesty; that they should not display their beauty and ornaments except what ordinarily appear thereof; that they should draw their veils over their bosoms...." (24:30,31).

The Quran is quite clear that the veil is essential for modesty, but why is modesty important? The Quran is still clear:

"O Prophet, tell your wives and daughters and the believing women that they should cast their outer garments over their bodies (when abroad) so that they should be known and not molested" (33:59).

This is the whole point, modesty is prescribed to protect women from molestation or simply, modesty is protection. Thus, the only purpose of the veil in Islam is protection. The Islamic veil, unlike the veil of the Christian tradition, is not a sign of man's authority over woman nor is it a sign of woman's subjection to man. The Islamic veil, unlike the veil in the Jewish tradition, is not a sign of luxury and distinction of some noble married women. The Islamic veil is only a sign of modesty with the purpose of protecting women, all women. The Islamic philosophy is that it is always better to be safe than sorry. In fact, the Quran is so concerned with protecting women's bodies and women's reputation that a man who dares to falsely accuse a woman of unchastity will be severely punished.... Some people, especially in the West, would tend to ridicule the whole argument of modesty for protection. Their argument is that the best protection is the spread of education, civilised behaviour, and self restraint. We would say: fine but not enough. If 'civilization' is enough protection, then why is it that women in North America dare not walk alone in a dark street - or even across an empty parking lot ? If Education is the solution, then why is it that a respected university like Queen's has a 'walk home service' mainly for female students on campus? If self restraint is the answer, then why are cases of sexual harassment in the workplace reported on the news media every day? A sample of those accused of sexual harassment, in the last few years, includes: Navy officers, Managers, University professors, Senators, Supreme Court Justices, and the President of the United States! I could not believe my eyes when I read the following statistics, written in a pamphlet issued by the Dean of Women's office at Queen's University:

In Canada, a woman is sexually assaulted every 6 minutes,
1 in 3 women in Canada will be sexually assaulted at some time in their lives,
1 in 4 women are at the risk of rape or attempted rape in her lifetime,
1 in 8 women will be sexually assaulted while attending college or university, and
A study found 60% of Canadian university-aged males said they would commit sexual assault if they were certain they wouldn't get caught.
Something is fundamentally wrong in the society we live in. A radical change in the society's life style and culture is absolutely necessary. A culture of modesty is badly needed, modesty in dress, in speech, and in manners of both men and women. Otherwise, the grim statistics will grow even worse day after day and, unfortunately, women alone will be paying the price. Actually, we all suffer but as K. Gibran has said, "...for the person who receives the blows is not like the one who counts them." 84 Therefore, a society like France which expels young women from schools because of their modest dress is, in the end, simply harming itself. It is one of the great ironies of our world today that the very same headscarf revered as a sign of 'holiness' when worn for the purpose of showing the authority of man by Catholic Nuns, is reviled as a sign of 'oppression' when worn for the purpose of protection by Muslim women.
"( WOMEN IN ISLAM VERSUS WOMEN IN THE JUDAEO-CHRISTIAN TRADITION: THE MYTH & THE REALITY BY Dr. Sherif Abdel Azeem
For those interested in the status of women in sialmic societies refer to the following:http://www.jannah.org/sisters
For more information for those who are interested in the condition of women in afghanistan and england refer to the followings
http://members.nbci.com/CyberMuslima/disdain.htm
http://www.jannah.org/sisters/england.html

[Lucky]

I thank you greatly SUN5600. I think you do not know the difference between the Islam and the Muslims. I am not defending those so called muslims who do not know their religion. I am defending Islam which is perfect. The ideology is perfect but the people distort its meaning (mainly the muslims themselves distort it) this does not necessarily mean Islam is imperfect. Like for example, I can't blame Democracy for the things going on in our dear Uzbekistan, and I won't blame it. The so called "democrats" (corrupt democrats,mullahs,communists are all the same thing but with different names in other words hippocrites) are making the problem not the Democracy. i hope this time You understood me right this time.;) Ignorance is a state when a person does not understand the real meaning even if he knows the knowledge.
Cheers.

[SUN6500]

Great to have a conversation with you. The final thing I wan to say in this discussion is an excerpt from Ahmad Donish who said:

"Ulamosi halqidan, xalqi ulamosidan battar bo'lgan bu xalqning boshiga hali na kuylar tushgay."

How true, after hundreds of years ...

[Lucky]

True. You could add political leaders, too
Cheers,;)

[MAZGI!!!]

Haqiqatdan ham har kim uzi biladi, nima kiyish kerakligini.
Major: Manga onam haqida yoki singillarim haqida yozgandan kura, uzing haqida ham uylab kursang bular edimi? Odingdan bittasi mini kiyib utsa yoki boshqacha ushanda kuzingni osti bilan qaraysan, lekin ushani uzingni onang yoki singlingga faraz qilsang uzingcha jahl qilasiz, axir usha sizni yoningizdan utgan qiz bola (balki ug'il bola ham) ham kimningdir jonajon farzandi, yoki opasidir...
Man UZBda juda kup mullalardan eshitgan bir narsam shundan iborat ediki: "Nima Mullaniki yuqmi" yoki shunga uhshash gaplar. Bundan hulosa, bu narsani hech qanaqa din yoki boshqa oqim taqiqlolmaydi...
Inson para-para qilib yaratilgan, u uz parasiga doim intilib yashaydi. Hoh hijobda hoh minida inson doim intilishda yashaydi...
Faqat qaysidir dinda bu narsa tan olinadi, qaysisida yuq. Lekin man hijob kiygan va nikohsiz bola kurgan studentlarni bilaman, ularga nima deysiz...
Faqat haqiqatni tan olishimiz kerak, uni oldidan kuz yumib utsak, ertaga baribir ana shunga taqalamiz...

Hamma musulmon va muslimalarga omad!!!;)

[orzu]

SUN6500

"...Bundan tashqari tarixdan gapiradigan bo'lsak, hazrati Ulug'bekni boshini kesdirganlar ham din ahli ulamolari bo'lgan..."
Siz, manimcha, bu gapni sobiq Sovet hukumati davrida chop etilgan kitoblarda o'qigan bo'lsangiz kerak.

Haqiqatdan ham, o'sha paytda chop etilgan kitoblarda Xo'ja Ahrori Valiy (rahmatullohi alayh) Mirzo Ulugbek hazratlarini o'ldirilishiga sababchi bo'lgan, chunki u kishi (ya'ni Xo'ja Ahror) din arbobi bo'lgan, din esa ilm-fanga qarshi bo'lgan deb yozilgan. Bu gap, inglizcha aytganda, 'bulls**t'. Islomda ilm o'rganish sunnat u yog'da tursin, farz deb aytilgan. Balkim bilsangiz kerak, Jabroil alayhisalom birinchi marta Muhammad s.a.w. oldilariga kelib, Qur'onning birinchi oyatlarini keltirganda, "namoz o'qi", "ro'za tut", "hajga bor" emas, balki "o'qi" degan. Islom ilmdan boshlanadi, johil inson (man sizni johil demoqchi emasman) hech qachon musulmon bo'lmaydi.

Xullasi kalom, Mirzo Ulug'bek din arboblari tomonidan emas, balki taxt uchun kurashayotgan insonlar, shu jumladan o'zining o'gli (Abdulatif) tomonidan o'ldirilgan. Abdulatif 'padarkush' degan nomga sazovor bo'laganligi sababli, shahar (Samarqand) devorlaridan tashqariga qicharilib ko'milgan. Hozirda esa, uning qabri shahar hududida, Dahbed ko'chasida joylashgan.

E'tiborlaringiz uchun rahmat

[Nasl]

hamma messagelarni o'qib bo'lgandan so'ng) bir qancha qo'shimchalar... :

1. "G'arbcha Demokratiyada aqlingga kelganini qil (qonun chegarasida) ...wa UZBda ota-onasi
buni cheklagani uchun qilolmaydi wa shuning uchun (!) UZBda demokratiya g'arb
demokratiyasidan farqli" degan fikr absurd. Nima uchun? Yana bir bor, demokratiya bu
ideologiya wa shuning uchun bir erda bu formada wa boshqa erda boshqa formada bo'la
olmaydi; farqliliklar faqatgina o'sha muayan davlat demokrtatiyani qanchalik qabul
qilganiga bog'liq. Demokratiya bo'lishi uchun demokratiyaning ustuni bo'lgan institutlar
bo'lishi kerak; UZBda bunday institutlarning yo'qligi yoki ba'zilari bo'lib o'z
funkziyalarini bajara olmayotganliklari UZBda demokratiya boshqacha deyishdek hato fikrga
olib borayotganligini guvohi bo'layapmiz bu erda.

2. Mazgi, nu ti bratan voobshe "bolshoy demokrat":). Major tebya kruto poymal:"I don`t think
you will like if your mother or sister or wife will walk in the streets naked. Or will
you?"

3. someone, you sound to be sincere and ,if possible, I wanted to hear your sincere
suggestion to females that cover themselves and still have/want to work or study in gvmt
organization, universities and schools in UZB?

My final words in the issue: first make people accept you as a friend and only then tell them what you think is righ; and not vice versa.

[Muisulmon]

Hay birodarlar!!! Musurmon ekanligingizni tan olasizmi?,birov sizdan sцrasa musurmonman deysizmi?, Musurmon farsandiman deb fahrlanasizmi?, bas nega ollohming buyruqlarini sцzsiz bajarish цrniga , uni цzingizni ojiz aqlingiz bilan muhojkama qilasiz. olloh buyuribdimio , bas bajarishga majbursiz!!!!

[walked]

Nasl,
Siz Uzbekistondagi demokratiya G'arb demokratiyasidan farqali degan fikr absurd, debsiz. Va bu gapizni izohlashga ham harakat qilibsiz.
G'arb demokratiyasi masalan hozirgi paytda ikki bachavoz erkakning yohud ikki lezbyanka ayolning nikohdan utishini, yirik shaharlarida (hatto uzlarining POPi qaror topgan Rimda ham) bachavoz va lezbyankalarning katta bayramlari (Loveparad), ba'zi shaharlarda prostitution kvartallar borligi kabilarni ham demokratiya doirasida qabul qildi. Hatto ba'zi markaziy Evropa davlatlari Prostituciyani kasb degan qonun chiqarish arafasida edi.
Shu urinda bir savol tug'iladi: mana shu narsalarni Sizningcha Uzbekistonda demokratiya doirasida qabul qilsa buladimi???
Ha degan taqdirizda ham, 24 milionli uzbek aholisidan bir surab kuring, 99% i beshak YUQ deb javob bersa kerak.
Savol bir tomonlama ham dersiz, mana shuning uzi kursatmaydimi demokratiyani hamma joyda ham bir xil qabul qilish va TUSHUNISH mumkin emasligini. Biz demokratiyaning asosini qabul qilganmiz -Inson huquqlari (amalda albatta maqtovga sazovor emas!), lekin demokratiyaning ba'zi me'yorlarini uz qadriyatlarimizdan kelib chiqib belgilaymiz. G'arb ham shunaqa qilgan, ularda odatlar boshqacha, bizda uzgacha!
Albatta, siz aytganingizdek, demokratiya - Ideologiya. Me'yorlardan iborat ideologiya.

[Nasl]

"Shu urinda bir savol tug'iladi: mana shu narsalarni Sizningcha Uzbekistonda demokratiya doirasida qabul qilsa buladimi???"

Javobim: yo'q!

Demokratiya bu ideologiya bo'lganligi uchun ham kamchiliklari ko'p! Siz aytgan narsalarga kelsak, agar 99% bu narsalar bo'lmasin desa bo'lmasligi kerak; ammo bu narsalar UZB doirasida bo'lmaslik kerakligi shunchalik ayon narsaki, hech qanday referendum bu masalada o'tkazilishiga ehtiyoj yo'q. Sizning ham boshqa ming hil narsa haqida o'ylab ko'rmasdan, huddi shu masalani o'rtaga chiqarishingiz to'g'ri emas deb o'ylayman. Men siz ko'targan masalalar shaytoniy deb hisoblayman wa bilishimcha, UZB qonunlariga ko'ra bunday harakatlarga tegishli jazo belgilangan.

"mana shuning uzi kursatmaydimi demokratiyani hamma joyda ham bir xil qabul qilish va TUSHUNISH mumkin emasligini."

Bu masalada yahshisi universitetingizdagi tegishli profingizdan yoki bo'lmasa demokratiya haqidagi materiallarni topib o'qishingizni maslahat beraman.

Sizga bir necha savollar bermoqchiman: UZBga hos demokratiya qanday ko'rinishga ega? UZBga hos demokratiyaning modelini ishlab chiqilganmi yoki ishlab chiqiladimi? Sizningcha, UZBda demokratiya unday yoki bunday bo'lishi kerak deb vaqt yo'qotgancha amaliy ishlar shug'ullangan yahshi emasmi (yani, masalan siz ko'targan masalani noqonuniy qilish i na etom basta(!); agar butun aholi norozilik bilan chiqsa (demokratiya bo'lsa bunday huquq bo'ladi) bu masala qayta ko'rib chiqilishi m-n:)).

Men demokratiya haqida ko'p gapirish uchun bu sohada expert bo'lishim k-k; faqatgina olti oygina o'rgandim bu fanni wa siyosatchilarning bu haqdagi qilgan chiqishlarini o'qidim holos.
Bilganimni yozaman, ammo bilmaganimni yoza olmayman. Yozsam bilaman deb yozaman, ammo hato bo'lsa ayb menda emas - men demokratiyani eng yahshi sistema deb hech qachon da'vo qilmayman.

Cheksiz hurmatlar ila

[Freestyler]

&lt;Nasl>, I agree with you.

Many of you, guys think, that Western democracy means also accepting everything, including all the ills of the Western societies, and applying them to the Uzbekistani society. Believe me, you have a misconception about democracy.
Democracy allows and even presupposes moral rules, and in this respect the role of art, religion and culture is tremenduous.

You had better read about this in textbooks on democracy, because I believe I am not an authority or a recognised expert in the field to expect my words to be accepted by you.

Besides, do you really think that if we apply the basic laws of Democracy, which we now tend to call Western just because they are more advanced and spread in Europe and North America, will bring with themselves all the ills of the Western society?

Cheers

[Sanjar]

SUN 6500,

"...[A]yni paytda O'zbekistonda... odamlar ertaga nima ovqat yeyishi to'g'risida bosh qotirib yurishibdi." - 2001 yilda berilgan habar.

Habar 2OXX yilda aniqroq berilgan:

"...[A]yni paytda O'zbekistonda... odamlar ertaga nima ovqat yeyishi to'g'risida bosh qotirib yurishibdi: pizza opkeliymikin yo kebab oliymikin?"

It is gonna be ALRIGHT!

SJ

[Khorezmskaya]

Karoche, soglasno s temi kto schitaet chto che odivat i kak odivatsa zaviset ot samogo cheloveka, no ya ne dumayu chto nashi uzbechki tak vulgarno odivayutsa, mojet oni i odevayut minii yubki i shorti no eto je normalno
to someone, pro malchishek, agar ugil bolala shortida maykada yursa nima bupti???? da nichego tut strashnogo, tem bolee for boys
Glavnoe chtob u vseh sovest bila chista, olloh yuragimizda
take it easy

[````]

Koroche

[Khorezmskaya]

dlya FEELFREE or * * * *a ti che i na pismennie oshibki vnimanie obrashaesh, a ya ne znala, nu togda teper posmotrim, tak kak i u tya bili oshibki kogda ti pisal

[Lucky]

Nasl- Why do you think homosexulity is wrong? Please do not take me wrong, I just wanted to hear that from you.
Freestyler- I am sorry to disappoint you again but this is what you said- "Many of you, guys think, that Western democracy means also accepting everything, including all the ills of the Western societies, and applying them to the Uzbekistani society. Believe me, you have a misconception about democracy." Are you sure you talkin' about Democracy? You better go out and ask the Londoners about Democracy... Which democracy you talkin' about? The Ancient Greek? The European? Or the American? If that was Greek democracy let me poit out to you couple of things: One of the Fathers of Democracy Plato was homosexual and wrote a book called (If I did not forget) "The disadvantages of Heterosexuality", another father of Democracy Aristotel was bisexual, by the way in the ancient Greece, it was very "OK" to have a boyfriend for the married man;). If yu meant Western Democracy, you know the condition better than me, I am sure during the orientation "The British Councils" had taught you how to use Lubricant Condoms for the Anal sex. As Far as American democracy, they are really practicing democracy. I live just 90 miles down San Francisco where 300,000 homosexuals reside in their own communities and enjoy their lives. If I am not wrong same sex marriage is approved in two US states (I am sure, one of them is Hawaai). Finally, in a democratic society homosexuality has never been considered the ills of the society. Most importantly our teacher in Democracy Studies was Gay, keep in mind he is Phd and knows the Democracy much better than most of you. As far as Uzbekistan, just visit Public "hammoms" you can "Do it" for free;) the password is " Aka bir o'tib Qoying;)", Amir Temur Xiyoboni is also not a bad choice, however you shud go there arund sunset;). Basically what I am trying to say is "We can not apply all the democratic rules in our society", in uzbekistan contrary to the west a community is cherished more than an individual. My final point is Uzbekistan "Has" its own "An Uzbek Way of Democracy" which derives its rules from the majority's traditions, cultures and of course the relgions. The critiques and comments are always welcome (especially you Freestyler;), i know that you like teasing me:))
Cheers :),

[Lucky]

By the way in SF for jackoff they pay you $15. NOT a bad deal,I heard that it was 5 pounds on London, correct if I was worng.
Cheers:),

[Futbolchi]

&lt;Lucky> As far as Uzbekistan, just visit Public "hammoms" you can "Do it" for free the password is " Aka bir o'tib Qoying,

LOL, LOL, LOL,

Futbolchi

[Mazgi]

To Walked: Siz G'arbdagi haligi hozigi kunda juda muammo bulgan narsani aytayapsiz, yani homolarga ham nikohg arusat berish va boshqa.
Mani sizga bir gapim bor, nima UZBda unaqalar yuqmi, yoki eshitmaganmisiz. Man unaqalarni bilaman, hatto taniyman ham. Ulani g'arbdagilardan hech qanaqa farqi yuq, lekin g'arbda shunqa jamiyatlar qurilganki uni asosida halq yotadi, yani qonun doirasidan chiqmada kallanga kelganini qil.
Hozirgi kunda UZBda bunaqanarsalarni tan olmasligimiz mumkin, bunda sabablar etarli:
--bulardan biri biza mululmonmiz (lekin mana shu urinda ham aytish kerakki din vaqt utishi bilan uzgarib kelayapti bundan keyin ham shunaqa buladi)
--keyingi sabalardan biri bu bunaqa hayollarga bizda hech bir inson kelmaydi, chunki boshqa narsalar haqida uylash kerak, yani bugun yaxshi kiyinish ichish, va ertaga ug'lini uylantirish yoki qizini chiqarish. Agar biz ham ertaga G'arbdagidek tuq jamiyat tuzsak usha bizdagi hozirgi kundagi TABUlar ham uz uzidan yuqoladi, chunki tuq jamiyat nimadir yangi narsani uylab topishi kerakku axir...

Hatto dunyoda madaniyat jihatidan eng kuchlilaridan biri YAponiya bulsa, ularda ham bu narsa hozirgi kunda bor, huddi shunday oldin bunaqa narsalar G'arbda ham bulamagan, bundan yani 30 yil oldin.

Bizada kup narsani musulmonligimiz uchun tan olishmasa lekin bunaqa narsalar kundalik hayotmizda juda kup uchaydi, ayniqsa MUSTAQILLIKdan keyin kupayishdi. Hatto biz unaqamiz biz bunaqamiz deydiganlar ham hayotida kamida bir marta bulsa ham kimgadir kuzini ola qilgan yoki chuqurroq kirib borgan. Endi savol tug'iladi nega ayollarimiz shunaqa qilishsa uzmizcha qulimizga pichoqni olib quvishmiz kerak ekan, qani bu yirda hammaning tengligi, yoki oddiy musulmonchilik...;)

Agar kundalik hayotimizni yoki yashash tarzimizni chuqurroq kovlayversak, unda FUNDAMENTALIST bulamiz, shuning uchun zamonga moslashib yashashimiz kerak, bundan hech qayoqa qochib qutulolmaysiz...;)

Hullas hammaga omad, faqat haqiqatga tan berishni bilinglar...:)

[Freestyler]

&lt;Lucky>, I was talking about basic rules of democracy.

But you misunderstood again.
What you were talking about was some western values, which are deemed to be unacceptable in Asian and traditionalist societies.
In fact this is exactly what I was trying to prevent you from: don't think that democracy will bring with itself widespread homosexuality, perversion and other "sins" with itself to our society. (Although there is a further arguement about the fact that for many people these things mean different things: for instance you wouldn't accept your wife wearing a decolte, but still for many decent women this is quite acceptable)

Japan and most Far East countries easily adopted democracy still very well sticking to their own values.

Please re-read my previous reply, I think you misunderstood some things.

If you don't apply those basic rules, your mates (who are being procecuted because of their religious "fanatism") will go on being suppressed by the official powers in Uzbekistan.
(The words fanatism, fundamentalism and extremism are used not only by me but by the whole massmedia in Uzbekistan, although I'm sure you clearly separate them)

Keep it Sober

P.S.
Also, I am not gonna reject Plato's view on the world only because he was homosexual (that is stupid). Besides, I think you should know from biology, that both men and women are born bisexual, and it is only through the values inflicted by the society that they begin to understand that boys should be attracted to girls and vice versa; that boys should be strong and earn money while girls should be neat, caring, an being able to maintain the family. Some societies in history and nowadays have blurred that traditional distinction of roles. As a result, there are people who "lost" their sexual orientation and beacuse they live(d) in democratic societies they were (are) able to claim their own rights. I don't think the same will happen in Uzbekistan, the traditional and moral rules are still very strong in our society, they will not let it happen.

[Ramil]

Freestyler, you are wrong in your P.S.

[Nikol]

Rebyata hotela sprosit,

Vam chto bolshe delat nechego kak obsujdat jenskuyu odejdu? Poverte mne mi uj sami razberyomsya. a naschet pravil oni bili napisani veka nazad!!! A mi jivem v XI veke kto mojet garantirovat chto te kto ustanavlival eti pravila sdelal bi toje samoye? Vremya menyaetsya i nujno jit v nogu s nim!!!

Voobshem ya soglasna s Khorezmskoy "take it easy"!

Jizn prekrasna!!! enjoy!!! :)

[Rake]

I agree that some people can be born bisexual. But what a crap is this:

&lt;&lt;Besides, I think you should know from biology, that both men and women are born bisexual, and it is only through the values inflicted by the society that they begin to understand that boys should be attracted to girls and vice versa;>>

What about other living creatures? Nobody tells them that females should be attracted by males and vice versa. Sure, some of them can exhibit bisexual behavior, but as a general rule: opposites attract.


Regards

Rake

[oRITo]

eeeeeh.....rosaaa bemaza , keragi yo'q gaplarni ko'p gapiradigan bo'lib ketipsizlar qadrli O'zbekistonning ishongan yosh qanotlari. Bittang mantiqsiz gaplar bilan xotin-xalajning ishtoniga yopishsang, bittang boshqanga dinni o'rtaga tiqib aql o'rgatasan. Tinchgina sohalaringni puxta o'rgansalaringchi. Ana kuchliging bo'lsa o'zing biladigan fandan boshqalarga ham foydasi tegadigan mulohaza yurit. "Dodamiz" :) , borinki boshqalar bizlarni chet ellarga 'vaq-vaq' qilishga emas...balki biron sohani puxta o'rganib kelishga yuborishgan.
Gapning ochig'i...ko'pchiliging tanish-bilish bilan kelib olgansan...shularning ichida kamina ham. Lekin, hech qaysing din yoki shariat sohasi bo'yicha 'professor' bo'lishga kelmagansanlar. Qachongacha palonchi undoq...pismadonchi bundoq...germon degon balo paydo bolupti, olti tomonida olti ko'zi bor ekan deb o'tiraveramiz O'zbeklar? Undan ko'rasi go'sht ko'rmay, shirinlik tatimay, qorni chala to'ygan yosh o'zbek bolalariyu pensiyasi bir xaftaga yetmaydigan qariya otaxon- onaxonlarimizani ko'z oldilaringa keltiringlar. Shularning ichida bizga yaqin bo'lgan qarindoshu urug'lar borku. Qandoq qilsakki shu bechoralarning ko'pchiligining qorni to'yadi, ish bilan t'aminlanadi va o'qiydi deb fikr mulohaza yuritaylik.
Dinu shariatni targ'ib qilishni esa din ulamolariga qo'yib beraylik. Buyog'iga qanday kiyinish va o'zini tutish odamlarning vijdoniga bog'liq.
ehh ha mayli...o'zim ham rosa ko'karib ketguncha falsafa yuritvordim shekilli.
Mayli...hammangizga sog'liq va "yaxshi" vijdon tilab qolaman. ;)

[nobody]

Nikol. Dont overjoy the life. Hehe. If you overjoy it, you will begin to hate it. And you can make something wrong with me.
And about time difference. It is not reason that now 21 century. Allah (jj) guide is for all time and for all people who accepts it. You are proud of your beauty.Hehe. Be careful, dont shame yourself.

nobody.

[Horazmli]

Khorezmskaya.
Horezmskaya bolsangam hech balogo kallang chikishmidi akan. San vundatib Horazmlilani sharmanda atma. Nickingni boshqa qoysang bomidimi?
Kallang chiqishmagan era na dikilasan.Darsingni tayyorlasang bomidimi. Hay,kalla. Angliya galdim dab asirib getdingmi. Alding kimlikingni, sani kim yaratganini oylab gor. Yo osmonnon tushdingmi?
Yo maymuldan paydo boldingmi? Hali bir o's , vonni bonni gor, kim, novvi organ, keyin bir oylanib yoz gappingni. Darrov bokchip tushmin, joning yonmin, ozingnan ulli odam bir gap aytganda, oylanib gaplash garak. Hijob oramasang orama, lakin hamma kizlani odinnan gaplama.
Yahshi mannan hafa bolib otirma. Man dogri gapni
gaplashni yahshi goraman.

[Abdulloh]

Bismillahir rohmanir rohiim

Assalamu alaykum va Rahmatullohi va Barakatuh.

I would like to share my point of view . Many times Muslim women are asked why do they cover completely from head to toe . they are also told that this is oppression. Marrige is an important part of life in Islam and women are required to show themselves to thier husband only and not the public. The Hijab is a protection for every women. It allows her to be judged as an induvidual and not as an object of desire i.e. her sexulaity is no longerin the equation and she is no longer a slve to the unfair demands of beauty made by this male driven society. The hijab inculcates(vnedryat) modesty in a woman, it does not act as a sign of man's authority over women, or her subjugation(podchineniye), rather it protects her from molestation(pristavaniye).
Hijab is woman's pride not her shame.

Uzlariz(kuplariz) yahshi bilasizlar hijob foydali ekanini lekin bilimdonlik qilasizlar or tan olgilariz kelmaydi. chunki mini kiygan qizga qarashni Shayton sizlarga chiroylli qilib kursatgan. Usha mini kiygan qiz mening singlim or opam bulsachi degan hayolni keltirsangiz birdaniga chuchib tushasiz. Uzingni singlinga or opanga ravo kurmagan narsani boshqaninkiga ravo kurmang. OLLOH TAOLO HIJOBNI FARZ QILIBDIMI BULDI BAS. DEMAK HECH QANDAY EXPLANATIONLAR BEFOYDA.


Nikolga
Bu aytgan pravilani biron bir odam urnatgan emas . Buni Olloh taolo buyrgan. U hamma narsani oldindan yahshi biladigan, va har qanday hatolardan holis bulgan ZOT!!! Nima U hozirgi vaqtimizni kelishini bilmasdan adashib yozib quygan Uylaysizmi? Bekorizni besh marta aytibsiz.
Bu dunyoni yana qancha enjoy qila olasiz. Ahir bu utadi ketadi ku . Abadiy enjoy yahshimasmi?
Olloh Taolo shu yaqin manoda aytganki chto Kofir or Mushrik kimsalar (Qiyomat kunida) muslim bulishni istab qolar ekanlar. Tak chto ushalardan bulib qolmaylik.

Qizlar hijob uzlarizga foyda narsa. Ayting mini or shimni nimasi yhshi.
Yana bir narsa. Hadislarda uqishimcha Payg'ambarimiz (SAW) ayollarga uhshagan erkaklarni va erkaklarga uhshagan ayollarni lanatlagan ekanlar.

Dalil holasangizlar dalillar kup. Lekin Olloh Taolo kimning dilini muhirlab quysa har qanday dalil krltirsangiz ham unga kifoya qilmas aslo.


Commentslaringizni kutaman.


Wassalamu alaykum va Rahmatullohi va barakatuh.

[nobody]

Assalomu Alaykum Dear Brothers.
I support your words Brother Abdulloh. But, as you told, the soul of some other guys is sealed.
They know that if all women wear Hijob, they cant satisfy their needs. I speak about Zino, espesially Zino of eyes'. They speak out loudly about democracy or the rights of women, or something like this, but they dont care about these things at all. They care about their satisfactions. If democracy or rights of somebody against their wishes they spit out to them, get rid of them, do as they want.
If you guys think yourself "Democrats" why you judge other girls,who wear hijob, as a old fashioned one. You use the word "modern" very much. But do you know what does it mean?
Modern does not mean "to go naked " or "not to obey to God Almighty". Everything in this world are the creates of Allah (JJ), including time. ( Time is also create , ask Fizicans if you have doubt).
So being modern means obeying to the Allah(JJ), because Allah(JJ) is a LORD of all worlds and all TIMES. Is it too difficult to understand this obvious thing. God Almighty gave His Laws for all TIMES, for all PEOPLE, no exceptions.
Got it?

Wassalomu Alaykum va Rahmatullohu va
Barakotuh!!!

[Uni]

Nobody,

I guess you are in Europe.
if so, you got naked already, and you broke "all laws for all times", you got modern. You used modern technology(TV, Computers, transport and so on), you whear unproper clothing(which is not as those of hundreds years ago), and you are in europe where women don't cover themselves, so you fully satisfy yourself and your eyes.

Tell me why couldn't you avoid all this "zino".

If you are unable to avoid thise modern life which is "naked", why do you think others should???

You know why your idea is weak, because you cannot follow them yourself.

Nice to speak to you.

[Uni]

Just forgot something!

We don't judge those who wear hijob! We respect their decisions and their beliefs. It's completely their business what to wear and what to do.

And let's not judge those who don't whear hijob. It's their decisions too, not yours.

Let's not decide what someone should do with his life. Leave that part for them. You only can suggest, give good advise which could make them think if you want save them from bad things. Be example yourself, people will see you and may follow you.

So I don't advocate phisicly intervening someone else's life.

The weak part of our nation is that people cannot make complete decision for his/her life. That prevents the new things to come because they think they will get "naked" even if they won't disturb others' life. Vsegda ostavalis kak staya "bara**v". That "staya" always follows only one who decides for them and exposes them by all means. The person who has been told what to do is slave. Slaves cannot make decisions as they are not allowed to do so.

Waiting for your challanging ideas.
Make me think!

[nobody]

Hi Uni.
Hehe , you guessed right( its better to say traced). But you are poor guy in Islamic knowledge, as i see. Hehe. Who told you that Islam is against to Modern technology,like computers, cars, tv, dvd, play station and etc.
We are speaking here not about Modern technology or Islamic attitude towards Modern technology. We are speaking here about Hijob.
Or you see some relationship between Hijob and computer???mdaaaaaaaa, popal ne tudaaaaaaaa.
Futhermore, you say:"you got naked already, and you broke "all laws for all times", you got modern."
But i couldnt find logics here?!. Why should i get naked if i am in Europe(hehe, you better find any logical reason , to say that i am naked).
I am just like that i was in my home, nothing more , nothing less( i mean my dressing). TEM BOLLEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE, how can i go out naked, in this cold weather.Got it? And: "you whear unproper clothing(which is not as those of hundreds years ago)". It sounds even more stupid than first one( sorry, no offence intended).
ALLAH (JJ) bids us to close our avrat(sorry i couldnt find any appropriate translation), with cloth.
But HE doesnt say, "Dont cover your avrat with jeans or T-shirt". Got it? And ALLAH (JJ) doesnt bid us " wear the clothes, which Muhammad( SAW) wore". Hehe, you better learn something about clothes in Islam.
"and you are in europe where women don't cover themselves, ". Hehe, like the other ones. May be, and IT MAY BE, that women, where you are just now, dont cover thamselves, but not here, where i am. Of course, i dont say, that they wear as Islam bids. Not at all. But , to be honest, i found here that, local women cover themselves better than that of in my homeland( unfortunately and shamely for our nation). And , Please dont ask me " what about your mother and sisters" or something like this. You know that i cant do anything to our stinked system and to people's mind , which is glued on former athiestic ideology.
"so you fully satisfy yourself and your eyes. "
Are you was with me when i was satisfing myself?
If i see naked( i mean,not covered fully) women in the street , it doesnt mean that i did zino. Zino is when you look to her to satisfy yourself( sometimes you say " mana bu narsaga qara, zor ekan").This is zino.Got it? Please read this carefully, it gives you understanding when it is zino and when it is not."The Foundation of Actions. From Umar ibn al-Khattab(radiyallahu 'anhu) who said that Allah's Messanger(saw) said:Actions are but by intentions and there is for every person only that which he intended. So he whose migration was for Allah and His Messanger, then his migration was for Allah and His Messanger, and he whose migration was to attain some worldly goal or to take a woman in marriage, then his migration was for that which he migrated.(reported by al-Bukharee (eng. trans. vol.I, pI, no.I) and Muslim (eng.trans.vol.3, p. 1056, no. 4692) ".
Hehe, got it?
"Tell me why couldn't you avoid all this "zino". "
Where did you get that one cant avoid zino.
Everyone can avoid zino(including me and you),
if he just wants it. He can avoid zino even being surrounded by fully naked women. Hehe, it seems you tooooooooo fantastic.Yes it is. Because for you Islam is nothing but fantasy of old arabian people, who lived some 14 centuries ago on tne arabian peninsula. Hehe. But for me not. I believe that one can do anything , if only he wishes it to be and askes God Almighty it to be. You do sins(dont deny,everyone does it) and you blame others or you say i couldnt avoid it. But remember, one is able to do zino even all women are Muslima and wear Hijob . Because , in his mind he is the same as he was.
"If you are unable to avoid thise modern life which is "naked", why do you think others should???" .prrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr, Very " logical" conclusion, "overlogical" i say if their is this word.
Who told you that modern life is naked. Or you mean that computers doesnt have clothes, cars doesnt have clothes and they cant cover their "avrat".Or your think, that if someone is covered his or her avrat, he or she cant use computer, cant work in offices, cant work in market, cant play "Play Station", or cant make something or cant sew something????????.
Of course, he or she cant work in Night clubs or in Streptise bars or in socalled "public houses(i dont know English versions of this word)". Of course, one cant do such kinda works if he/she has a FAITH to God Almighty.So you think all of these Big BS "modern life" or "naked technology".
And i say you , I am not saint and i am not Pope of Rome( cristians consider him to be innocent, hehe). Every person do something wrong.But some do less, some do as much as he can or even more. Some confess it , some never do it.
( to be continued)

[nobody]

( sorry , my whole message was more than 6000 characters, which discussion board couldnt accept, so i devided it in two)

"You know why your idea is weak, because you cannot follow them yourself."
My(actually its a bid of ALLAH(JJ) ) idea is not weak. Why it should be weak? because you defeted it by your "overlogical" and "unbiased" words. First of all, it is not my idea. It is an idealogy of Islam , people to cover their avrats and to avoid zino. Second, it was acceptable by people with true knowledge of the absolute Truth all over the History, it is acceptable nowadays( may be you dont accept it, but it doesnt bother nobody), and it will be acceptable in the future. Got it?
And although, i am not saint or something like this, i follow this idea. And shame to me if i will not follow it. Got it?
As a last word i tell you what i've seen here, in Europe, in the very centre of modern life. I've seen here true Islam, i've seen here true Muslim Brotherhood, i've felt it here, i've seen here a lot of knowledge , which should i learn.And i've seen here our sisters( all Muslimas are sisters of all Muslims) who strong in their faith, even they live in the centre of "naked" (as you say) people. I dont know what did you see in Centre of one of the Centres of the world. I have no idea. But it stinks from your words and what did you say, that you've not seen here goodness, you couldnt see it or just simply you avoid it.( no offence intended).

Nice to speak to you.
nobody.

P.S. Dont think that you are on the peak of the world. This is only illusion. Seek for the Absolute Truth. And you'll see something more intersting, more logical and something modern.
Good Luck Brother (if you are).

[nobody]

OOOOOOOOo, Uni , You did me "complement".
I am "happy " that i am one of "staya baranov" and one of the "slaves".
As usual, i got "complement" at the end .
Thanx "Brother"- Gentle "offender".

And at the end he says"Nice to speak to you".\???


"Podadan ajralib qolgan,"
"zamondan orqada kolib ketgan,"
"Ozini oylashga kallasi yok,"
Birovning (ALLOH (JJ) ning) QULI.

nobody.

[Uni]

Nobody,

Very impressive! You neatly specified your points. I like it.

I always try to keep logic to get answers for certain questions, but sh*t I made mistake.

Let's clearify some points.

I used word "barany" to stress the point only. it doesn't refer to anybody.

I am glad that you can avoid "zino", I thought it's impossible in modern life, sorry for wrong assumptions about your position.

If it is possible to avoid "zino" even you have naked women around why do you want them to cover themselves if it doesn't bother you? Why not let them decide themself?

Nice to hear you again

[Uni]

One more thing,

Yeah, I am on top of the world!!!

whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!

[Xolis]

Biz O'zbekistonni Demokratic va erkin mamlakatga aylantirishga xarakat qilayapmiz. Agar biz qizlarga qanday kiyinishni chegaralasak, bu bilan ularning xuquqini paymol qilgan bo'lamiz. Shuning uchun do'stlar bu mavzuni to'xtataylik. Qizlarimiz xech bir jihatdan bizdan kam emas. Ularga mulk sifatida qarash bu feodallik belgisidir. Qizlarimiz har bir sohada biz bilan tengma-teng bo'lishiga umid qilib qolaman.

[Alcapone]

pust' tebya ne yibyot kak nashi devushki budut odevatsa. kak hotyat tak i budut odevatsa.. a ty prosto islamskiy fundamentalist..
get lost

[Tupoy]

Qanday kiyinsa ham olmazorlari ko'rinmasa bo'ldi. A tak qiyin bo'lib qoladi

[scorpio]

Полупустой вагон метро, напротив друг друга сидят благообразная
интеллигентная старушка, и расклячившаяся девица в мини, но с
расставленными по мужски ногами. Естественно, боковым зрением
весь вагон это "мини" просёк, поэтому когда на одной из станций
вагон задержался, в наступившей тишине все до единого услышали
негромкий и по-доброму укоризненный голос старушки, привставшей
со своего места, и чуть наклонившейся к девице:
"Девушка, подмываться надо чаще, а не проветривать".
Как по сценарию, сразу после этих слов двери захлопываются,
бабушка с совершенно невозмутимым лицом садится на место,
а пассажиры начинают подхихикивать, причём всё сильнее и сильнее,
так что на следующей остановке девица вылетела из вагона уже под
общий хохот.

Horoshaya istoriya :-), a glavnoye kakoy smisl :-)

scorpio

[Freestyler']

Male Shovinist ti, Scorpio, sexist

(posledneye slovo sovetuyu posmotret' v slovare)

[scorpio]

Freestyler,
kem bi ya ne bil, prejde vsego vezde doljna bit mera, i predstav sebe daje v odejde.
Vo vtorih eta istoriya skoreye zabavnaya chem pouchitelnaya. Ya ne dumayu chto dami kotoriye pozvolyayut sebe v mini yubke rastvlyat nogi po mujski ot etogo izmenyat svoyo mneniye i povedeniye.
V tretyih sexism prisutstvuyet vezde. Etim ya ne hochu skazat chto mujchini luchshe jenshin ili naoborot, no prosto kajdomu polu svoyo mesto. Sravnivat kto luchshe Mujchina ili jenshina eto vsyo ravno chto sravnivat truck Kenworth i Mersedes "Meibach" (about $1 000 000 ). U kajdogo avtomobilya svoyo mesto i svoyo naznacheniye i ti ne smojej skazat kotoriy luchshe. Inogda nujna sila trucka inogda ocharovaniye Mersedesa. I vse popitki zastavit Mersedes Meibach potyanut pricep ni k chemu ne privedut ( daje yesli on i stoyit namnogo doroje). Eto tebe pro to chto ya ne shovinist i ne diskriminiruyu po polu. Sexism - eto ne obyazatelno diskriminaciya, eto vsego lish delat razlichiye mejdu jenshinoy i mujchinoy a ne rassmatrivat vseh lyudey kak bespolih sushestv s odinakovim potencialom:-).

A v poslednih ne kipyatis, eto vsego lish discussion.

scorpio

[Student]

it should not be males' business how girls should dress, it's lame!

<scorpio> the case you brought stinks, it's kinda teaching ppl through samples from ghetto.

damn this topic, I can't stand guys and old women blaming young girls for waering jeans, skirt or whatever,

we gotta get rid of this paranoic mentality, be responsible for yourself, no need to impose own understanding for others!

[Freestyler']

I might have taken your post seriously <Scorpio>, but anyway let me axplain myself.
I think you really don't see how lame was your post, <Scorpio>.

One think I understood in this life is that the length of the skirt (and the outfit in general) is a bad measurement of woman's personality (at least that's what I noticed in Europe).

The old woman in your example is just pathetic, hypocrit. And so are the guys who laughed at the girl. The old woman's words indeed sounded very funny, but it was not a good gesture to laugh at the girl, it is not a behaviour of a gentleman.

I guess your example would be a good story for the Jerry Springer Show. I'm sure the mob there would laugh with you (za kompaniyu).

And if you call for decency and "vsemu mera", learn to obbey this rule yourself first.

Take it easy

P.S. I was not comparing men and women, <Scorpio>, it is the matter of respect.

Respect indeed

[eagle]

waalaykum asslam wa rahmatullah,
qadrlik someone sizni va barcha umidchilarni hamda ahli islomni eid ul fitr bilan muborakbod etib quiyidagni ma'lum qilmoqchiman:
"Birinchidan, 'hijob' milliy kiyim emas va u 'o'zbek' bo'lganligimiz uchun emas, balkim MUSULMON bo'lganligimiz uchun kiyiladi." Hamma ham Muslim bo'lishni siz kabi tushunmiydi,va o'zbekiston muslimlar ko'pchilikni tashkil etadigon mamlakat bo'lgani bilan islomiy davlat emas shuning uchun ham hukumat ma'lum bir dinning talablarini butun aholiga nisbatan qo'llashni lozim topmaydi (eronga zidli o'laroq, ma'lumki eronda barcha ayollar hijobda bo'lishari shart).
"Ikkinchidan, ko'p qizlar bu fikrga qo'shilmagan va buni shahsiy ishlari deb qaraganlar, hatto buni o'ta beadablik deb hisoblaganlar ham topiladi." Qizlarimizning, umuman fuqarolarimizning qanday libosda yurishlari o'zlarinig ixtiyorida bo'lishi kerak.Biz demokratik jamiyat qurayotgan ekanmizmi, Hijobni hohlaganlar hijobni, miniskirtni istaganlar esa miniskirtni libos sifatida va o'zlariga ma'qul ko'rgan holda qo'llashlari shart. Bizlarga qanday kiyinishni o'rgatadigon Aql tayoqlar keark emas.Ularga indamsa ertaga tushlikka nima eyishimgacha buyurishadi.
"HIJOB KIYISH ALLOH TOMONIDAN BUYIRILGAN"-yana bir bor ta'kidlab o'tmoqchiman, juda kamchilik siz bildirgan fikrga qo'shilishadi, hatto boshiga tog'oraday qilib sallani o'rab yurgan mullolarimiz ham bilib bilmay hijob farz emas deb fatwo chiqarib qoyishgan (afsus).
"O'zbek"- degani muslim(a) degani emas, shuni unutmaylik. Ozbeklarning, ishonamanki, 70% muslim, oshalardan atigi 10% diniga to'liq amal qiladi.Islam dindan ko'ra koproq madaniytga aylanib qolgan va umuman Islam bilan aloqasi bo'lmagan islomga qadar mavjud bo'lgan eskichikning sarqit ammallari bilan qorishtirib yuborilganki, ko'pchilik islam deganda siz tushungan islamni tushunishmiydi (afsus).
"Hullas, hulosa shuki, har kim o'z qilgan amaliga o'zi javob beradi. Islomda majburlash yo'q"- shundoq ekan bizga na davlat va na din tomonidan axloqni o'qitadigon Aql tayoqlar keark emas, kimga nima kerak bo'lsa o'zi istaganini topsa va hayotida qollasa bo'ladi degan fikrdaman. Hato va kamchiliklar uchun ilgaritdan uzr so'rab tanqid va mulohazalarni qollab quvvatlayman.

AAWB
Man sizzi fikrizga umuman qushilmayman, ehtiyot buling birodar, bu gaplarizga pushaymon eydigan kun keladi, insha Allah! Aql tayoq kerakmas deb ja oshirvormadizmi? Nafsni jilovlay olmagandan sung, inson haqiqatni inkor etishni oson deb topadi, demaokratiya demokratiya, blin, kurdim demokratiyayizzi, budparast greklardan qolgan qattagi sarqit tuzum, tegida hamma yovuzlik yotadi. man kurib turibmizku, hammamiz. Demokratiya deb, insonlar hayvonning qatoriga tushib qoldi.
Uzbekistonda demokratik jamiyat quryapsizmi? xaxaxaxaxaxaxaxxa:))))
U wish my bro :)))))))))) Demokratiyaaaaa- Nafsga erkinlik berish, va haqiqatdan yuz ugirish, boshqa hech narsa emas. Nazariyasida qancha yozsa yozsin, lekin chirik nazariya:))))))))))

[eagle]

salom bolalar,

Mani juda qiziqtirgan temani boshlabsizlar rahmat...
Someone nning gapiga qaraganda kup narsalarni aaytib utish musulmonlarning ham farzi ha qarzi... lekin mana shu narsaga man qushilmayman, mana shu narsani uzi bizni shaharlarimizda juda kup janjallarni keltirib chiqarayapti... 5-6 kuni Machitga borib, man musulmon ekanman, hammani tug'ri yulga boshlashim kerak ekan deb fikrlaydiganlar ham hato qilishadi va bunaqa fikrlar hozirgi jamiyatimizda hech qanaqa rol uynamaydi...

Sababi: Halq uzi fikrlay olish qobiliyatiga ega, bu narsa ruslar yodgorlik bulib qolgan huddi shunday ayollarimiz ham... Hozirgi kunda ayollarimiz erkaklar nima qilishsa usha narsani qilishga harakat qilishadi, man bu narsani maqullayman, yani hammaning tenglik qonuni...

Biz tan olamizmi yuqmi, usha siz yomonlaydigan G'arb kuturasi biz bosib utayotgan yulni bosib utishgan, va doim olg'a qarab ketmoqda... Biz esa ulardan kup narsalarni olamiz, deyarli hamma narsalarni... G'arb hayoti kupincha kishilik jamiyati deb ataladi, demokratiya. Biz ham mana shu narsani hohlaymiz, lekin bizda bu tuliq amalga oshirilmaydi, yani Prezidentimiz aytgandek, bizdagi demoktariya g'arbdagi emas... Buni har qanaqa qilib asoslab berish mumkin, G'arb demokratiyasi uta kishilik jamiyatini qullab quvvatlaydi, yani kallanga nima kelsa qilgin, faqat qonun doirasida... Bizda sal ramkadan chiqib ketsangiz, bu yoqdan otangiz bu yoqdan onangiz tinch quymaydi, endi kuchada qanaqa yuq bilan qarayman deb, bu bilan demoqchimanki bizda demokratiya aytilsa ham qilinishi juda qiyin, uni narsani davlat 1 yoki 2 ta qonun bilan uzgartira olmaydi...

Bu yirda Minilar haqida, yani kiyinish madaniyati buyicha gap bulib utibdi. Aslida kiyadigan kiyimni kupchilik kursin deb kiyamiz, huddi shunday qizlarimiz ham minilarni biron narsamni kursatay deb kiyishadi, agar erkaklar "Ola" kuz bilan qarashsa, qanaqa musulmonsan deb savol berishadi... Bu narsani balki usha savol beradigan odam tushunmasligi mumkin, lekin bu urtoqlar tabiat qonuni: ayol erkakka ola qilib qaraydi, erkak ayolga...
Bu narsa usha hijob orasida ham buladi, buni narsani yoshirmaslik kerak... Mana shuning uchun, hoh yalang'och yuradimi, hoh mini kiyadimi, hoh jeans kiyadimi man hech qaysi biriga qarshi emasman, faqat sevgan yoriga vafodor bulsa bulgani...;)
Chin dildan hudoga ishonsa bulgani...

P.S. Usha bizaga ba'zida " ey san gunoh qilayapsan deyadigan" odamlarga bir gapim bor, ertaga man narigi dunyoga ketsam ushanga ham san javob berasanmi, agar yuq desang nega man qilayotgan ishlarga aralashasan, san oldin uzing uchun javob berishni uyla, birovga urgatgandan kura....




Wahhahhahahahahahahahahahahhaha:))))))))))))))))
Qoyil qoldim, rahmate birodar, rahmat:))))))))))
G'arbga ergashing, kech qolmang :))))))) najasni esa siz ham eng:)))))

[eagle]

salom bolalar,

Mani juda qiziqtirgan temani boshlabsizlar rahmat...
Someone nning gapiga qaraganda kup narsalarni aaytib utish musulmonlarning ham farzi ha qarzi... lekin mana shu narsaga man qushilmayman, mana shu narsani uzi bizni shaharlarimizda juda kup janjallarni keltirib chiqarayapti... 5-6 kuni Machitga borib, man musulmon ekanman, hammani tug'ri yulga boshlashim kerak ekan deb fikrlaydiganlar ham hato qilishadi va bunaqa fikrlar hozirgi jamiyatimizda hech qanaqa rol uynamaydi...

Sababi: Halq uzi fikrlay olish qobiliyatiga ega, bu narsa ruslar yodgorlik bulib qolgan huddi shunday ayollarimiz ham... Hozirgi kunda ayollarimiz erkaklar nima qilishsa usha narsani qilishga harakat qilishadi, man bu narsani maqullayman, yani hammaning tenglik qonuni...

Biz tan olamizmi yuqmi, usha siz yomonlaydigan G'arb kuturasi biz bosib utayotgan yulni bosib utishgan, va doim olg'a qarab ketmoqda... Biz esa ulardan kup narsalarni olamiz, deyarli hamma narsalarni... G'arb hayoti kupincha kishilik jamiyati deb ataladi, demokratiya. Biz ham mana shu narsani hohlaymiz, lekin bizda bu tuliq amalga oshirilmaydi, yani Prezidentimiz aytgandek, bizdagi demoktariya g'arbdagi emas... Buni har qanaqa qilib asoslab berish mumkin, G'arb demokratiyasi uta kishilik jamiyatini qullab quvvatlaydi, yani kallanga nima kelsa qilgin, faqat qonun doirasida... Bizda sal ramkadan chiqib ketsangiz, bu yoqdan otangiz bu yoqdan onangiz tinch quymaydi, endi kuchada qanaqa yuq bilan qarayman deb, bu bilan demoqchimanki bizda demokratiya aytilsa ham qilinishi juda qiyin, uni narsani davlat 1 yoki 2 ta qonun bilan uzgartira olmaydi...

Bu yirda Minilar haqida, yani kiyinish madaniyati buyicha gap bulib utibdi. Aslida kiyadigan kiyimni kupchilik kursin deb kiyamiz, huddi shunday qizlarimiz ham minilarni biron narsamni kursatay deb kiyishadi, agar erkaklar "Ola" kuz bilan qarashsa, qanaqa musulmonsan deb savol berishadi... Bu narsani balki usha savol beradigan odam tushunmasligi mumkin, lekin bu urtoqlar tabiat qonuni: ayol erkakka ola qilib qaraydi, erkak ayolga...
Bu narsa usha hijob orasida ham buladi, buni narsani yoshirmaslik kerak... Mana shuning uchun, hoh yalang'och yuradimi, hoh mini kiyadimi, hoh jeans kiyadimi man hech qaysi biriga qarshi emasman, faqat sevgan yoriga vafodor bulsa bulgani...;)
Chin dildan hudoga ishonsa bulgani...

P.S. Usha bizaga ba'zida " ey san gunoh qilayapsan deyadigan" odamlarga bir gapim bor, ertaga man narigi dunyoga ketsam ushanga ham san javob berasanmi, agar yuq desang nega man qilayotgan ishlarga aralashasan, san oldin uzing uchun javob berishni uyla, birovga urgatgandan kura....

Birodar, mana shunaqa fikrlarni bildirganda sizga maslahatim, xudoni tilga olmang, chunki, Allah svt ning komil qilib quygan Dini bor, va unda uzgarmas qonunlar bor, va bu qonunlar Qiyomatgacha saqlanadi.
By the way, siz Allah haqida gapiryapsiz, kiyin yana sizga gunohdan qaytarayotgan birodarlarizga qarata uzizzi aytmoqchi bulgan fikrlarizzi bildiribsiz, lekin hech tushunmayapman.....
Siz xudoni tilga olgandan sung, Uning dini haqida ham ma'lumotga ega bulsayiz kerak-a? Amru Ma'ruf va Nahiy Munkar degan narsani ham bilsayiz kerak?
Yoki siz xudo deganda Mr Apolloni nazarda tutyapsizmi?
Allah hidoyatga boshlasin, Ameen!

[dili@]

woow woow back up ok. Its the girls which is us that has the choice to choose weather we should or should not dress like that! Bilaslarmi yigitlar buni biza ho'hlase kiyamiz. Zo'rlik bilan ish bitmidi.
Oh and kelvotgan Yangi Yilingiz bilan!
Dili@ 4 life
xayr

[dili@]

it should not be males' business how girls should dress, it's lame!

<scorpio> the case you brought stinks, it's kinda teaching ppl through samples from ghetto.

damn this topic, I can't stand guys and old women blaming young girls for waering jeans, skirt or whatever,

we gotta get rid of this paranoic mentality, be responsible for yourself, no need to impose own understanding for others!

u go girl! U tell them. y can't boys wear the little long hats. like they wear them in israel and Dubai!
Dili@ 4 life!

[Gareeb]

woow woow back up ok. Its the girls which is us that has the choice to choose weather we should or should not dress like that! Bilaslarmi yigitlar buni biza ho'hlase kiyamiz. Zo'rlik bilan ish bitmidi.
Oh and kelvotgan Yangi Yilingiz bilan!
Dili@ 4 life
xayr
haa silarga qo'yib bersa qip yalangoch yuraslar, moda desa tomdan tashiyslar o'ziylani:evil:

[Amiri Turkiston]

erkaklar avratlari ochiq qizlarga hech ham yahshi niyat bilan qaramaydilar

agar qiz bola - o'ziga yarashgan zamonaviy kiyimni "har hil" tana qisimlarini kursatmasdan kiysa - bu ajoyib ish bulardi

kiyim kiyish ham bir katta sanatde o'zi - hammaning ham qo
lidan kela vermaydi - kiyim odobini qarasg

[Mona Lisa]

Erkaklarga munozara uchun qizlarni qanaqa kiyinishidan boshqa tema yoqmi? Hatto qizlarni o'zi bunchalik kiyim haqida qayg'urmasa kerak :rolleyes:

[infolife]

eh brother,no matter how 'ochiq-pochiq' or 'non-ochiq' cloth girls wear we're still under the same amount of sins. Cos the bottomline is(I mean the order from Allah swt) girls should wear a hijab and jilbaab.

odammi kiygan kiyimidan 80%kimligini aytib berishim mumkin;) erkaklar avratlari ochiq qizlarga hech ham yahshi niyat bilan qaramaydilar

agar qiz bola - o'ziga yarashgan zamonaviy kiyimni "har hil" tana qisimlarini kursatmasdan kiysa - bu ajoyib ish bulardi

kiyim kiyish ham bir katta sanatde o'zi - hammaning ham qo
lidan kela vermaydi - kiyim odobini qarasg

[Gareeb]

Erkaklarga munozara uchun qizlarni qanaqa kiyinishidan boshqa tema yoqmi? :rolleyes:
:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: tushunmadim?? Erkaklar osmondan tushmagan shekilli? Erkaklar uchinchi bir jinsga mansub bo'lganda edi bu kinoyangizni saal hazm qilsa bo'lardi.

[Mona Lisa]

:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: tushunmadim?? Erkaklar osmondan tushmagan shekilli? Erkaklar uchinchi bir jinsga mansub bo'lganda edi bu kinoyangizni saal hazm qilsa bo'lardi.

Juda qattiq qayg'urish ham yahshi emas. Ayniqsa bekorchi mayda - chuydalarga ;)

Siz hazm qilishga qiynalyapsizmi? :P

[Mona Lisa]

odammi kiygan kiyimidan 80%kimligini aytib berishim mumkin;)

Woow Zo'rsiz - ku !!! :shock:

[Gareeb]

Juda qattiq qayg'urish ham yahshi emas. Ayniqsa bekorchi mayda - chuydalarga ;)

Siz hazm qilishga qiynalyapsizmi? :P
Qo'shni qiz sonini ochib otasi tengi odamlar oldidan shahvatni qo'zitib o'tib ketishi menga mayda-chuyda emas, balki sizga shundaydir.;)

[Mona Lisa]

Qo'shni qiz sonini ochib otasi tengi odamlar oldidan shahvatni qo'zitib o'tib ketishi menga mayda-chuyda emas, balki sizga shundaydir.;)
Hammani insofi o'zi bilan. Ahmoqlik ham! Gap kiyimda emas balki tarbiyada.

[PainKiller]

Qo'shni qiz sonini ochib otasi tengi odamlar oldidan shahvatni qo'zitib o'tib ketishi menga mayda-chuyda emas, balki sizga shundaydir.;)
Qoshni kizning shahvatini sizning muylavingiz keltirsa, olib tashlaysizmi?;)

[Gareeb]

Qoshni kizning shahvatini sizning muylavingiz keltirsa, olib tashlaysizmi?;)
Meni mo'ylabim yo'q.

[Mona Lisa]

Qoshni kizning shahvatini sizning muylavingiz keltirsa, olib tashlaysizmi?;)
LOL :lol: :lol:

[Abu Hurayra]

Erkaklarga munozara uchun qizlarni qanaqa kiyinishidan boshqa tema yoqmi? Hatto qizlarni o'zi bunchalik kiyim haqida qayg'urmasa kerak :rolleyes:

Ishqilib Mahallani bollari tosh otmidigan,
Utgan qaytgan moshina signal chalmiydigan shaklda Hayo libosini kiyishsa ayollarimiz uzlari uchun(dunyo va ohiratlari uchun) eng manfaatli bulardi ;)

[PainKiller]

Ishqilib Mahallani bollari tosh otmidigan,
Utgan qaytgan moshina signal chalmiydigan shaklda Hayo libosini kiyishsa ayollarimiz uzlari uchun(dunyo va ohiratlari uchun) eng manfaatli bulardi ;)Balkim, usha ahmoklarga tarbiya berish lozimdir? Moshinasini signalini chalayotganda kuli , tosh otayotganda oziga tegib kallasi sinib ketgurlarga?
Mona Lisa, savol bersam buladimi?:D

[Mona Lisa]

Ishqilib Mahallani bollari tosh otmidigan,
Utgan qaytgan moshina signal chalmiydigan shaklda Hayo libosini kiyishsa ayollarimiz uzlari uchun(dunyo va ohiratlari uchun) eng manfaatli bulardi ;)
O'zlaring tosh otib, signal chalib yurganlaringdan keyin qizlardan nimani kutasizlar :rolleyes: :lol:


Inko: bo'ladi

[PainKiller]

I really, really want this dress. Need ur opinion.
http://ec1.images-amazon.com/images/P/B0009UYGGK.01-A3BHU1UEUYDJ19._AA280_SCLZZZZZZZ_.jpg

[Mona Lisa]

It's nice :)
Please get black high heel shoe or go for totally flat shoes
Why me?

[PainKiller]

It's nice :)
Please get black high heel shoe with

Why me?Cuz I like you.
:D
I was thinking is it too romantic?)))
There is another one, look at them as well, please.

[PainKiller]

http://images.amazon.com/images/P/B00099FEOY.01-A2NWQ37RNQZ4MN._AA280_SCLZZZZZZZ_.jpg

[Martingale]

I really, really want this dress. Need ur opinion.
http://ec1.images-amazon.com/images/P/B0009UYGGK.01-A3BHU1UEUYDJ19._AA280_SCLZZZZZZZ_.jpg

ML, is that you?:) Damn, so hot.:)

[PainKiller]

http://images.amazon.com/images/P/B0001NQSLG.01-A19NO891BK0708._AA280_SCLZZZZZZZ_.jpg

[Mona Lisa]

Hmm red one is too common. Previous is more eye catching


Thanx for the compliment :)

Laziz, I wish :)

[Mona Lisa]

Black is alright if you want mature look.

[PainKiller]

Hmm red one is too common. Previous is more eye catching


Thanx for the compliment :)

Laziz, I wish :)It is supposed to be common. Just for friday evenings and going to movies.:)

[PainKiller]

http://ec1.images-amazon.com/images/P/B0009O978I.01-A2NWQ37RNQZ4MN._SCMZZZZZZZ_.jpg

[PainKiller]

http://ec1.images-amazon.com/images/P/B0007GA6II.01-A19NO891BK0708._SCMZZZZZZZ_.jpg

[PainKiller]

http://ec1.images-amazon.com/images/P/B000BRKYL2.01-A1XRL0L8BOSCUY._AA280_SCLZZZZZZZ_.jpg

[Sevinch]

It is supposed to be common. Just for friday evenings and going to movies.:)

I have a wedding on saturday.I don't know what I am gonna wear:rolleyes:

[Martingale]

I have a wedding on saturday.I don't know what I am gonna wear:rolleyes:

white one.:D

[Masanori]

http://ec1.images-amazon.com/images/P/B0007GA6II.01-A19NO891BK0708._SCMZZZZZZZ_.jpg
manga shunisi yoqdi, odamni shahvatini quzgatar ekan!

[PainKiller]

http://images.amazon.com/images/P/B0006Q1VXS.01-A3S16NG0LKP9FU._AA280_SCLZZZZZZZ_.jpg

[Martingale]

Tez echiladiganini tanlanglar.:D

[Abu Hurayra]

Balkim, usha ahmoklarga tarbiya berish lozimdir? Moshinasini signalini chalayotganda kuli , tosh otayotganda oziga tegib kallasi sinib ketgurlarga?
Mona Lisa, savol bersam buladimi?:D

Tarbiya Ikkala tomonga ham berish kere...gapisam gap kup....;)

O'zlaring tosh otib, signal chalib yurganlaringdan keyin qizlardan nimani kutasizlar :rolleyes: :lol:
Butta man tosh otganni,Signal chalganni yahshi osh qilayapti demiyapman..
Lekin Erkak kishi biroz iymoni sustro busa ,albatta kuzi Jilva qilib ketayatgan "honimni" kursa tabiatidan kelib chiqib hayoli bulinib ketadi...hayol qochgandan keyin signal chaladimi,hushtey chaladimi jaa haddidan oshgan Noinsoplari bunaqa holatda Usha Hayolini ob qochgan "Honim"dan "alamini" ololmasa uyidagi ayoli esidan chiqib borib kuchadaki uzidek past "urgochi Xachir"ni topib "alamini" oladi.bu hammaga ayon....

Hozir Aurupa kuchalarida yurganda yerdan yoldan birornimasini yuqotib quyganday yuqmasangiz kuzizga minghil Shaytonni QIzlari kurinib hayolizni ob kochadi...yoki salbiy tasir qiladi...

....
uzi insof bersin...

[PainKiller]

Yeah, I want this one, Baby. It is freaken cheap, on sale.

http://images.amazon.com/images/P/B000AYKHB8.01-A3HS64JP3NS7SF._AA240_SCLZZZZZZZ_.jpg

[Mona Lisa]

Tez echiladiganini tanlanglar.:D
If you're going for a date and coffee afterwards !:P

[PainKiller]

Butta man tosh otganni,Signal chalganni yahshi osh qilayapti demiyapman..
Lekin Erkak kishi biroz iymoni sustro busa ,albatta kuzi Jilva qilib ketayatgan "honimni" kursa tabiatidan kelib chiqib hayoli bulinib ketadi...hayol qochgandan keyin signal chaladimi,hushtey chaladimi jaa haddidan oshgan Noinsoplari bunaqa holatda Usha Hayolini ob qochgan "Honim"dan "alamini" ololmasa uyidagi ayoli esidan chiqib borib kuchadaki uzidek past "urgochi Xachir"ni topib "alamini" oladi.bu hammaga ayon....

Hozir Aurupa kuchalarida yurganda yerdan yoldan birornimasini yuqotib quyganday yuqmasangiz kuzizga minghil Shaytonni QIzlari kurinib hayolizni ob kochadi...yoki salbiy tasir qiladi...

....
uzi insof bersin...Unaka, bosa akam, hikoyahning ikkinchi tomonini ham eshiting. Mana mening hayolim, imonim sustligidan bulsa kerak, kastyum shim kiyib, soqolini olgan, qilich buvogan yigitlarni korsam ketib koladi. Hosh, kostyum-shimni ham yok kilaylikmi endi?
Hayoli buzilsa uziga, sulagini okizib kolaveradi.:evil:

[Mona Lisa]

Yeah, I want this one, Baby. It is freaken cheap, on sale.

http://images.amazon.com/images/P/B000AYKHB8.01-A3HS64JP3NS7SF._AA240_SCLZZZZZZZ_.jpg
Ohh I want that too but it's white so not practical :?

[PainKiller]

Ohh I want that too but it's white so not practical :?I know. Exactly what I was thinking. But, hey! Black is so boring!:D

[Mona Lisa]

http://ec1.images-amazon.com/images/P/B0007GA6II.01-A19NO891BK0708._SCMZZZZZZZ_.jpg
That so sexy, 'in control' type :)

[Martingale]

If you're going for a date and coffee afterwards !:P

And the name of the coffe was Moconna and apparently the restraunt is currently out of it. Now we are going to my place to drink some coffe and to discuss what's the latest trend in fashion. Add more imagination:P

[Sevinch]

I really, really want this dress. Need ur opinion.
http://ec1.images-amazon.com/images/P/B0009UYGGK.01-A3BHU1UEUYDJ19._AA280_SCLZZZZZZZ_.jpg

I have a same dress but it's black.I never wear it.I am going to send it to my friend.I don't know i wanna something different...
Inko do u have some more pict of dresses?

[PainKiller]

I have a same dress but it's black.I never wear it.I am going to send it to my friend.I don't know i wanna something different...
Inko do u have some more pict of dresses?Sevinch, amazon.com, overstock.com, macys.com, nordstrom.com. I am skipping last two, cuz I want to save:(

[Mona Lisa]

And the name of the coffe was Moconna and apparently the restraunt is currently out of it. Now we are going to my place to drink some coffe and to discuss what's the latest trend in fashion. Add more imagination:P
You have a quite experience :lol: But not so fast ....

[Mona Lisa]

http://ec1.images-amazon.com/images/P/B0009O978I.01-A2NWQ37RNQZ4MN._SCMZZZZZZZ_.jpg
Good but colour is a little risky. Do you know whether this colour suits you or not?

[PainKiller]

http://ec1.images-amazon.com/images/P/B0007IFO3I.01._SS400_SCLZZZZZZZ_.jpghttp://images.amazon.com/images/G/01/richmedia/tsapi/images/cover.gif?350x350those are the shoes to go with that white dress.
Depending on where u r going to;)
http://images.amazon.com/images/P/B000AKV7WK.01-AI72NJ5OCL0UP._AA280_SCLZZZZZZZ_.jpg
http://images.amazon.com/images/P/B0009V7JWW.01-A3HS64JP3NS7SF._SS500_SCLZZZZZZZ_.jpg

[Mona Lisa]

Tarbiya Ikkala tomonga ham berish kere...gapisam gap kup....;)

Butta man tosh otganni,Signal chalganni yahshi osh qilayapti demiyapman..
Lekin Erkak kishi biroz iymoni sustro busa ,albatta kuzi Jilva qilib ketayatgan "honimni" kursa tabiatidan kelib chiqib hayoli bulinib ketadi...hayol qochgandan keyin signal chaladimi,hushtey chaladimi jaa haddidan oshgan Noinsoplari bunaqa holatda Usha Hayolini ob qochgan "Honim"dan "alamini" ololmasa uyidagi ayoli esidan chiqib borib kuchadaki uzidek past "urgochi Xachir"ni topib "alamini" oladi.bu hammaga ayon....

.
Ho'sh shunday ekan nega endi qizlarga tosh otayapsiz. Qars ikki qo'ldan chiqadi degan gap bor. Yana bir bor aytaman gap aslida kiyimda emas. Nojo'ya hayolga borish yoki nojo'ya ish qilishga kiyim emas balki engiltaklik va tarbiyasizlik olib keladi. Aslida yarim yalang'och kimsani ko'rganda ham beparvo o'tib ketish mumkin agarda bunga nojo'ya hayol bilan boqmasa inson

[Mona Lisa]

I would definetly choose last white shoes. It is sooooooooooooo cute :)

[PainKiller]

What an innocense. In this outfit, U should go to ocean and give him a long, tender kiss.:)

[Mona Lisa]

What an innocense. In this outfit, U should go to ocean and give him a long, tender kiss.:)
Well are you going? :P

[PainKiller]

Well are you going? :PYeah, why not?:P

[Martingale]

fat or fast?:)
Ok, Scenario #2 (a slower version): A lady you wanna hook up with is so fussy about the way you dress. And for the first time, to impress her, you did your homework.:cool: First, you went to Ermenigildo Zegna's suit shop and bought a nice custom tailored suit. And your GF also picked up one of those night dresses Inko is putting up there.
You go to one of the most famous restaurants in NYC and to please her you ask for a very expensive type of wine depending on your taste. But the server says "We apologize sir, but currently we are not serving this type of wine, but I can offer substitutes to it". You are totally frustrated, your honor before the lady was destroyed. To remedy that feeling, She says: Hon, don't worry I have that type of wine in my place. Maybe we should go there and have a wonderful night. I also have a great collection of 80s songs that you are fond of. You immeditately check your pockets to make sure you got "that small thing" with you.:cool:

p.s. no experience, just imagination

[Mona Lisa]

Yeah, why not?:P
Ohh I envy guy at the recieving end of that kiss at that shores of the ocean :lol:

Best of luck then ;)

[Mona Lisa]

fat or fast?:)
Ok, Scenario #2 (a slower version): A lady you wanna hook up with is so fussy about the way you dress. And for the first time, to impress her, you did your homework.:cool: First, you went to Ermenigildo Zegna's suit shop and bought a nice custom tailored suit. And your GF also picked up one of those night dresses Inko is putting up there.
You go to one of the most famous restaurants in NYC and to please her you ask for a very expensive type of wine depending on your taste. But the server says "We apologize sir, but currently we are not serving this type of wine, but I can offer substitutes to it". You are totally frustrated, your honor before the lady was destroyed. To remedy that feeling, She says: Hon, don't worry I have that type of wine in my place. Maybe we should go there and have a wonderful night. I also have a great collection of 80s songs that you are fond of. You immeditately check your pockets to make sure you got "that small thing" with you.:cool:

p.s. no experience, just imagination
Woow, shall we go for a date then .... :P (just kidding)

Opps you caught that typo

[Martingale]

Woow, shall we go for a date then .... :P (just kidding)

Opps you caught that typo
not too fast:P hehe... kiddin too;)

[PainKiller]

fat or fast?:)
Ok, Scenario #2 (a slower version): A lady you wanna hook up with is so fussy about the way you dress. And for the first time, to impress her, you did your homework.:cool: First, you went to Ermenigildo Zegna's suit shop and bought a nice custom tailored suit. And your GF also picked up one of those night dresses Inko is putting up there.
You go to one of the most famous restaurants in NYC and to please her you ask for a very expensive type of wine depending on your taste. But the serve