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MUHLIS
09-15-2006, 05:55 AM
Shu narsa haqida forumchilarning shaxsiy fikrlarini bilmoqchi edim.
Farzand oilaning eng shirin mevasi bo'lsa kerak, bu narsada oilalalarga hammadan ko'ra ko'proq ginekologlar yordam berishsa kerak. Lekin ana shu ginekologlarning erkak kishi bo'lishi haqida qanday fikrdasiz? "Madaniyatimizga to'g'ri keladimi kelmaydimi", "erkak kishining shu kasbni egallashga haqqi bormi yo'qmi" kabi mulohazalarning keragi yo'q, shaxsan sizga yoki sizning xotiningizga erkak ginekolog hizmat ko'rsatishiga qanday qaraysiz?
Maroon
09-15-2006, 06:14 AM
Generally men ginecologists are better than women. Well, at least that is my opinion.
Seriously, what kind of topic is this? I do not think you should be discussing this unless you are a woman or a doctor. It is silly to ask men here if they are ok with it or not.
It is not about the gender, it is about whether a doctor can help you or not.
Devchenki, a vi protiv esli vash muj poydet k jenshine urologu? :lol:
Mdaaaaaa
MUHLIS
09-15-2006, 06:20 AM
Seriously, what kind of topic is this?
This topic is about learning forumers' opinions about male gynecologists. That is it. Is it ok for you as a male/female or not. Why to know the opinion of men? Coz I think it concerns husbands as well. I have not heard of female men's doctor in my life.
Generally men ginecologists are better than women. Well, at least that is my opinion.
Vote then. :)
for me doctors - are not male, they are doctors!
MUHLIS
09-15-2006, 06:28 AM
for me doctors - are not male, they are doctors!
Taktichno, odnako!
Why none is voting? :(
elDoraDo
09-15-2006, 06:42 AM
male doctor deganda faqatgina urologlarni nazarda tutganingiz yaxshi tomoni shundaki, siz boshqa hil dohtirlarga ishingiz tushmagan. ammo insonning jinsiy organlari bilan ish boruvchi vrachlar haqida gap ketayotgan bolsa - kerak bolsa, jigar, limfa bezlari, hattoki buyrak kasalliklari bilan ogirgan insonning kasali ham osha yerga shish beradi. Agar yuqorida aytilgan kasalliklarning mutaxassisi ayol bolsa, erkak kishining osha ayolga a'zosini korsatishi turgan gap.
javobga kelsak - i am for the most qualified one - regardless the sex.
ed part: well here in tashkent i am against. there - i had no choice.
UzbekGirlie
09-15-2006, 06:42 AM
I dont see a reason why I would have a problem with a male gyno... At the end of the day he is a doctor and that's the only thing that matters...:D
Lady_G
09-15-2006, 06:44 AM
Devchenki, a vi protiv esli vash muj poydet k jenshine urologu? :lol:
Бемалол! Пусть идут! Может и к проктологу их записать :lol: ?
Ижобий салбий нима деган :rolleyes: ?
MUHLIS
09-15-2006, 06:47 AM
Ijobiy - positive
Salbiy - negative
Odamlar ovoz beringlar, iltimos.
kingdom
09-15-2006, 06:50 AM
Men qarshiman!
MUHLIS
09-15-2006, 06:56 AM
male doctor deganda faqatgina urologlarni nazarda tutganingiz yaxshi tomoni shundaki, siz boshqa hil dohtirlarga ishingiz tushmagan. ammo insonning jinsiy organlari bilan ish boruvchi vrachlar haqida gap ketayotgan bolsa - kerak bolsa, jigar, limfa bezlari, hattoki buyrak kasalliklari bilan ogirgan insonning kasali ham osha yerga shish beradi. Agar yuqorida aytilgan kasalliklarning mutaxassisi ayol bolsa, erkak kishining osha ayolga a'zosini korsatishi turgan gap.
javobga kelsak - i am for the most qualified one - regardless the sex.
Haqiqatdan ham ishim tushmagan, shuning uchun bilmasam kerak.
Insonning dardini davolaydigan, kerak bo'lsa hayotini saqlab qoladigan odamlar bor, borligi yaxshi. Lekin baribir odam xotinini begona erkak (xatto zo'r do'xtir bo'lsa ham) tekshirishini hazm qila olmas ekanda.....
Agar gap hayot-mamot haqida ketayotgan bo'lsa, boshqa maqbul doktor yo'q bo'lsa......bilmadim. Xudo saqlasin hammani bunday narsalardan.
Bilishimcha mana shu masala (erkak ginekologlar) bo'yicha Qirg'izistonning janubida katta munozara va janjallar ham bo'lgan.
Lady_G
09-15-2006, 06:57 AM
Mammographyга борганмисла? Умуман яхшимас агарда узиз танийдиган ёш йигит текширсада сиздан баттар кизариб кетса..
А так мани хеч каршилигим ёк! Гинекологларни билмиману, лекин, умуман оганда купинча эрке кишилар аёл кишиларга караганда сабрлирок, мулойим булишади. Узбда билмиману канака, лек Европада эрке киши докторлар жуда яхши булишади. Уялмок ниме кере? Доктор доктор, сохаси шу! Сизга аёл кишига карагандек карамидию, сиз уни пациентисиз.
П.С.: Лек ростдан тшунмиман гинеколог сохасини танлаган эрке кишиларни :? .
UzLand
09-15-2006, 07:02 AM
Каршимасман, агар урта еки катта ешдаги гинеколог булса. Лекин бир одам тугри айтганларидай, улар авваломбор доктор ва кунига куплаб пациентларни курадилар. Бу "дикий пляж"га ухшаган нарса. Балки еш гинекологга бошида нокулай ва кизик булар, лекин вакт утиб, агар хакикий профессионал булса, "бошка нарса"ларга ахамият бермай куяди.
Аел-урологларни хали курмаганман. Лекин хаммомда аеллар ишлашини биламан:)
MUHLIS
09-15-2006, 07:02 AM
Mammographyга борганмисла? Умуман яхшимас агарда узиз танийдиган ёш йигит текширсада сиздан баттар кизариб кетса..:shock:
Sovuq suvda cho'milishim kerak endi.......
UzLand
09-15-2006, 07:03 AM
:shock:
Sovuq suvda cho'milishim kerak endi.......
Сизни танийдиган маммограф-йигит енига бормокчимисиз?:))))))))))))))))))))))))
MUHLIS
09-15-2006, 07:07 AM
Каршимасман, агар урта еки катта ешдаги гинеколог булса.
Singlimning juda mazasi bo'lmagan edi jiyanimning tug'ilishida. Operaciya qilish kerak edi, do'htir erkak kishi.....u-bu desak bir yoshi katta hamshira hotin "Eeee, buni erkakligi qolibdimi, ishlayverib ko'ziyam pirpiramaydigan bo'lib ketgan" deb vag'illagan edi.... Do'xtirni o'zi ham kulib turavergan. Operaciya qiladigan boshqa do'htir yo'qligi, jiyanim va singlimning hayoti havf ostida qolgani uchun rozi bo'lganmiz....
Lekin cheksiz minnatdormiz o'sha do'htirdan.
Odamda juda ko'p qarama-qarshi fikrlar keltirib chiqaradigan masala....shunday emasmi?
Asadbek
09-15-2006, 07:09 AM
Agar zarurat tug'ilganda, xotinimga qaraydigan Ayol ginekolog O'zbekistonda topilmay qolsa, shu sohada o'qiyotgan birorta qizni o'qishiga stipendiya ajrataman :)
Ayol ginekologlarni qo'llab-quvvatlash Fondi ochish haqida o'ylab ko'rish kerak...
munisa
09-15-2006, 07:12 AM
wow! man 3-punktga birinchi bo'p ovoz berimman :)
well, i'm not for or against male gynecologists, its their own business. however, personally would definitely prefer female one would I have to go for check up and other issues.
seems like i was not supposed to response then :) sorry guys.
UzLand
09-15-2006, 07:14 AM
Agar zarurat tug'ilganda, xotinimga qaraydigan Ayol ginekolog O'zbekistonda topilmay qolsa, shu sohada o'qiyotgan birorta qizni o'qishiga stipendiya ajrataman :)
Ayol ginekologlarni qo'llab-quvvatlash Fondi ochish haqida o'ylab ko'rish kerak...
Сизга савол - паловни ким яхши килади - аелларми, эркакларми?
MUHLIS
09-15-2006, 07:15 AM
wow! man 3-punktga birinchi bo'p ovoz berimman :)
well, i'm not for or against male gynecologists, its their own business. however, personally would definitely prefer female one would I have to go for check up and other issues.
seems like i was not supposed to response then :) sorry guys.
Savolni aniq va tiniq tushunibsiz. Rahmat.
Lady_G
09-15-2006, 07:17 AM
Ман ростдан тшунмиман каршиман деб овоз берган джигитларимизни. Нима сабабдан? Рашк, ёки нима?
Купинча енг яхши гинеколог докторлар эрке киши булишадию. Масалан кишлокчамиздаям енг яхши гинеколог ёнига бормокчи булсала ану карри гинеколог профессорни каридила.
kingdom
09-15-2006, 07:18 AM
Palovni bu erga nima dahli bor!Albatta erkakalar yaxshi qiladi palovni !Сизга савол - паловни ким яхши килади - аелларми, эркакларми?
Lady_G
09-15-2006, 07:19 AM
Сизга савол - паловни ким яхши килади - аелларми, эркакларми?
Эркелар! Биласми ниме унака дейишади? Чунки силар камдан кам пиширасизлар, ушангаям ёкдан борига шкур килиб мактиымиз сизларни :tongue: .
UzLand
09-15-2006, 07:20 AM
Palovni bu erga nima dahli bor!Albatta erkakalar yaxshi qiladi palovni !
Дахли шундаки, баъзи касб ва хунарларга эркаклар устарок. Гинекология ушаларга киради.
kingdom
09-15-2006, 07:20 AM
Uzingiz yaxshi bilasiz nima sababdan uz gururini bilgan erkak ayoliga undan boshqa erkaklar qarashiga qarshi buladi ,man Uzbda tugilganimdan xursandman anavi lapashang evropaliklarga busa p"""y :lol: Ман ростдан тшунмиман каршиман деб овоз берган джигитларимизни. Нима сабабдан? Рашк, ёки нима?
Купинча енг яхши гинеколог докторлар эрке киши булишадию. Масалан кишлокчамиздаям енг яхши гинеколог ёнига бормокчи булсала ану карри гинеколог профессорни каридила.
MUHLIS
09-15-2006, 07:21 AM
Ман ростдан тшунмиман каршиман деб овоз берган джигитларимизни. Нима сабабдан? Рашк, ёки нима?
Купинча енг яхши гинеколог докторлар эрке киши булишадию. Масалан кишлокчамиздаям енг яхши гинеколог ёнига бормокчи булсала ану карри гинеколог профессорни каридила.
Erkak va ayol kishining tengligi masalasini nima qilamiz endi? :lol: Erkak kishi qila olgan ishni ayol kishi qila olmaydimikan ginekologiya sohasida? Agar siz Harvard Universiteti rektori bo'lganingizda sizni bu gapingiz uchun rosa boshingizni qotirishgan bo'lardilar. Chunki u ham erkaklar fanni ayollardan ko'ra yaxshi o'zlashtiradi deb baloga qolgan... :lol:
kingdom
09-15-2006, 07:21 AM
bu bilan ayol ginekologlar uz kasbining ustasi emas demoqchimisiz?:rolleyes: Дахли шундаки, баъзи касб ва хунарларга эркаклар устарок. Гинекология ушаларга киради.
Lady_G
09-15-2006, 07:25 AM
Uzingiz yaxshi bilasiz nima sababdan uz gururini bilgan erkak ayoliga undan boshqa erkaklar qarashiga qarshi buladi ,man Uzbda tugilganimdan xursandman anavi lapashang evropaliklarga busa p"""y :lol:
А сан азгина миянгни ишлатиб эркеман деб хурозларга ухшаб манманлик килавермасдан уйла. Агарда ёлда кетвотган булсанг, аёлинг еса хомиладор. Ий тутиб тугиш бошланса. Ёлда еса битта мошина тухтасада ман врачман ёрдамлашаман, энг якин шахарга етгунча яна 2соат хайдаш кере деса, сан ёк, сан эрке кишисан, хотинимга кул теккизма, узи тугади, туголмаса улади деб турволасанми???
munisa
09-15-2006, 07:31 AM
looool Lady_G, dahshat yozib qo'yibsiz :)
OFF:
10 members and O guests, perviy raz stalkivayus' :)
kingdom
09-15-2006, 07:32 AM
Man ginekologdan surayman nima qilish kerakligini keyin uzim tugdirib olaman!:lol: А сан азгина миянгни ишлатиб эркеман деб хурозларга ухшаб манманлик килавермасдан уйла. Агарда ёлда кетвотган булсанг, аёлинг еса хомиладор. Ий тутиб тугиш бошланса. Ёлда еса битта мошина тухтасада ман врачман ёрдамлашаман, энг якин шахарга етгунча яна 2соат хайдаш кере деса, сан ёк, сан эрке кишисан, хотинимга кул теккизма, узи тугади, туголмаса улади деб турволасанми???
Lady_G
09-15-2006, 07:33 AM
Erkak va ayol kishining tengligi masalasini nima qilamiz endi? :lol: Бу факт! Статистика хам исботлади! Бази касбларни (агарда у аёллар касби бусаям) эрке кишилар купрок яхши бажара олишади.
Erkak kishi qila olgan ishni ayol kishi qila olmaydimikan ginekologiya sohasida? Ман шунака дедимми? аёл киши у сохани бажаролмайди дедимми??
Agar siz Harvard Universiteti rektori bo'lganingizda sizni bu gapingiz uchun rosa boshingizni qotirishgan bo'lardilar. Chunki u ham erkaklar fanni ayollardan ko'ra yaxshi o'zlashtiradi deb baloga qolgan... :lol:
эээ ман оддий кишлокчада яшиыдиган, оддиы студенткаман. Гарвардни ректори кеёда, ман каёдаман ;) .
Акам, сиз гапларимни айлантирманг, хайми? Яхшилаб укинг, кейин тшунволинг, кейин постимга жавоб ёзинг :) .
Хапа буган билас ким :cool: .
UzLand
09-15-2006, 07:33 AM
bu bilan ayol ginekologlar uz kasbining ustasi emas demoqchimisiz?:rolleyes:
Палов буйича сиз уз сузингизни эркаклар фойдасига айтдингизку:) Нега? Ахир уртача олганда, аеллар эркакларга караганда 4-5 баробар тез-тез овкат киладику. Нега энди ошни эркаклар яхширок киларкан?
munisa
09-15-2006, 07:33 AM
Doctor deganlariyam bor ekan, oramizda, bir nima devoring endi ! :)
A tak, kingdomni zapyatoygacha bo'lgan gapiga qo'shilaman :)
UzLand
09-15-2006, 07:34 AM
Agar siz Harvard Universiteti rektori bo'lganingizda sizni bu gapingiz uchun rosa boshingizni qotirishgan bo'lardilar. Chunki u ham erkaklar fanni ayollardan ko'ra yaxshi o'zlashtiradi deb baloga qolgan... :lol:
Яхшиям, паловни зур пишириш учун Гарвардда укиш шарт эмас экан:)
Frida
09-15-2006, 07:34 AM
Menimcha erkak genekologlar ayollardan yaxshi yoki yomonligida emas gap. Ayol genekologlar biroz chidamsizroq bo'ladi mening nazarimda. Sabab? O'zi ayol bo'lganidan keyin "mening ham boshimdan o'tgan, bo'lib turadi, chidaysan" deydida. Masalan genekologlarning o'zi aytadi, tanadagi og'riq qay darajada bo'lishini ayollarning o'zi ham bilmaydi. Shunchalik turli xil og'riqlarga o'rganib ketishganki, qaysi og'riq normal yoki normal emasligiga ahamiyat berishmaydi. Mana endi ayol genekologni oling, u ham ayolda, shikoyat qilsangiz uncha ahamiyat bermasligi mumkin, lekin erkak genekolog uchun bu uje "simptom" - endi u o'qigan va o'rgangan narsasi bo'yicha yondoshadi, o'z tajribasi bo'yicha emas. Chunki bu ishda menimcha, yuqorida aytganimdek, tajriba uncha ham yordam bermaydi. bu albatta IMHO, bu bilan hamma ayol genekologlar sabrsiz yoki yaxshi yondoshmaydi demoqchi emasman. Har bir madaniyatga va odamga bog'liq bu. Qaysi biri malakaliroq bo'lsa o'shanisi yaxshi, at the end of the day.
Lady_G
09-15-2006, 07:36 AM
Man ginekologdan surayman nima qilish kerakligini keyin uzim tugdirib olaman!:lol: Тавба кил! Агарда телпонинг хам ишламай косачи? Ёки кутилмаган вазият, эрта тугилса бола? эээ короче "Худодан катта гапирма" деган гап санга ;) .
Asadbek
09-15-2006, 07:36 AM
Сизга савол - паловни ким яхши килади - аелларми, эркакларми?
Akaginam,
zo'r oshpazlarni "qo'li shirin" deyishadi... Erkak ginekologni ham "qo'li shirin" mazmunida ishining ustasi deb sha'ma qilayotgan bo'lishingiz mumkin, lekin men xotinim yoki singlimni ongli ravishda erkak ginekolog huzuriga kirgizmayman.
Erkakligi o'lgan bo'lsa ham, yoki professional ginekolog bo'lsa ham, erkak degan nomi bor...
Yashasin Ayol Ginekologlar! :) Ularni qo'llab-quvvatlash fondi haqida jiddiy o'ylay boshladim...
munisa
09-15-2006, 07:37 AM
Палов буйича сиз уз сузингизни эркаклар фойдасига айтдингизку:) Нега? Ахир уртача олганда, аеллар эркакларга караганда 4-5 баробар тез-тез овкат киладику. Нега энди ошни эркаклар яхширок киларкан?
Shunga o'hshash statistik ma'lumotlar HECH QACHON ideal bo'lmaydi, kak i vsyo ostal'noe na svete.
Toshnit daje, kogda govoryat "Professora ponablyudali 10 amerikanok, i 10 amerikancev". Aha, PREDSTAVITELI vsego naseleniya mira da?
Huddi shunga o'hshab, 'erkaklar ayollardan yahshiroq palov pishiradi' degan statistik ma'lumot ham, mif bo'lsa ajab emas. Tak kak, BARCHA ayollarga, BARCHA erkelarga palov pishirtirib ko'rib, ENG ideal ho'rrandalarga yedirib ko'rilgandan keyin keltirilgan ma'lumot emas.
lobar
09-15-2006, 07:37 AM
Man ginekologdan surayman nima qilish kerakligini keyin uzim tugdirib olaman!:lol:
Ayoliz tugayotganda sizziyam qiliadigan ishlariz ko'p boladi Kingdomjon, ginekologga esa ishini qilishga halaqit bermeng ;)
Hotinizga bir chekkada podderjka bo'berishhi o'zi eng kotta yordam, keyin boleyz eson-omon tug'ilvoganidan keyin kindigini kesasiz (agar uni qiynalayotganini ko'rib hushiyzdan ketib qomaseyz albatta :lol:)
UzLand
09-15-2006, 07:38 AM
Menimcha erkak genekologlar ayollardan yaxshi yoki yomonligida emas gap. Ayol genekologlar biroz chidamsizroq bo'ladi mening nazarimda.
Аха, яна улар куполрок булади эркаклардан кура. Гинекологияда купол булиш емон окибатларга олиб келиши мумкин.
Man 200 % qarshiman erkak kishi birovning nomahramiga qarashi nafaqat bizning madaniyatimizga balki islom sharitigaxam tugri kelmaydi. Bu kasbni egallagandan kura erkak kishi dexqonchilik bilan shugullansin meni fikrimcha.
QUOTE=Lady_G] Узбда билмиману канака, лек Европада эрке киши докторлар жуда яхши булишади. Уялмок ниме кере? Доктор доктор, сохаси шу! Сизга аёл кишига карагандек карамидию, сиз уни пациентисиз.
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Endi evropadagi doctorlarga kelsak menimcha u erdagi erkak doctorlarni 99% ni erkak dib xisoblamasak ham buladi. Sababini uzila bilsela kere. Ung qulog'lariga zirak taqvolib ula kechqurun shanbani gey klublarda utkazishadi menimcha :))
Lady_G
09-15-2006, 07:46 AM
Man 200 % qarshiman erkak kishi birovning nomahramiga qarashi nafaqat bizning madaniyatimizga balki islom sharitigaxam tugri kelmaydi. Bu kasbni egallagandan kura erkak kishi dexqonchilik bilan shugullansin meni fikrimcha.
Узбда билмиману канака, лек Европада эрке киши докторлар жуда яхши булишади. Уялмок ниме кере? Доктор доктор, сохаси шу! Сизга аёл кишига карагандек карамидию, сиз уни пациентисиз.
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Endi evropadagi doctorlarga kelsak menimcha u erdagi erkak doctorlarni 99% ni erkak dib xisoblamasak ham buladi. Sababini uzila bilsela kere. Ung qulog'lariga zirak taqvolib ula kechqurun shanbani gey klublarda utkazishadi menimcha :))Ёгеее? Буни уз кузиз билан курдизми??? Нима бало гей клубларни тез тез зиёрат килиб турасизми дейман :twisted: ? Машинака ахмок гапириш ниме кере энди а :evil: ?
Ха майли проехали дерли, унда ниме 200% каршисиз? Ахир барбир гейку? Аёлизга аёл кишига карагандек каролмаса, унга у худди уз жинсидагидек булса. A?
lobar
09-15-2006, 07:47 AM
Man 200 % qarshiman erkak kishi birovning nomahramiga qarashi nafaqat bizning madaniyatimizga balki islom sharitigaxam tugri kelmaydi. Bu kasbni egallagandan kura erkak kishi dexqonchilik bilan shugullansin meni fikrimcha.
birovning mahramiga deng, janob :)
Endi evropadagi doctorlarga kelsak menimcha u erdagi erkak doctorlarni 99% ni erkak dib xisoblamasak ham buladi. Sababini uzila bilsela kere. Ung qulog'lariga zirak taqvolib ula kechqurun shanbani gey klublarda utkazishadi menimcha :))
Hammasiyammas, ja 99% dib oshirvordiz. Masalan, man tanigan 3ta ginekolog erkakni oilasi bor, oilali erkaklardek normalniy hammasi, hich qanaqa gey clublaga boradiganlardan ham emas.
UzLand
09-15-2006, 07:49 AM
Shunga o'hshash statistik ma'lumotlar HECH QACHON ideal bo'lmaydi, kak i vsyo ostal'noe na svete.
Toshnit daje, kogda govoryat "Professora ponablyudali 10 amerikanok, i 10 amerikancev". Aha, PREDSTAVITELI vsego naseleniya mira da?
Huddi shunga o'hshab, 'erkaklar ayollardan yahshiroq palov pishiradi' degan statistik ma'lumot ham, mif bo'lsa ajab emas. Tak kak, BARCHA ayollarga, BARCHA erkelarga palov pishirtirib ko'rib, ENG ideal ho'rrandalarga yedirib ko'rilgandan keyin keltirilgan ma'lumot emas.
Мен эркакларнинг яхши палов килиши буйича статистик маълумот келтирганим йук, шекилли. Мен кимнинг купрок овкати килиши буйича келтирдим. Ушанда хам бу статистик маълумот эмас, менинг шахсий common sense имдан чикиб келиб айтилган нарса. Еки сизнингча, эркаклар аеллардан тез-тез овкат килиб турадими? Аел ишга келса, дастурхон езилган, кечки овкатни эржон тайерлаб куйган, шунаками?:)))
UzLand
09-15-2006, 07:51 AM
Man 200 % qarshiman erkak kishi birovning nomahramiga qarashi nafaqat bizning madaniyatimizga balki islom sharitigaxam tugri kelmaydi. Bu kasbni egallagandan kura erkak kishi dexqonchilik bilan shugullansin meni fikrimcha.
Абу Али ибн Сино хазратлари хам бир вактлар динимиз ва маданиятимизга зид одам деб хисобланган эди.
Lady_G
09-15-2006, 07:52 AM
Еки сизнингча, эркаклар аеллардан тез-тез овкат килиб турадими? Аел ишга келса, дастурхон езилган, кечки овкатни эржон тайерлаб куйган, шунаками?:)))Ай выыыыыыыыыыыыш :love: !
MUHLIS
09-15-2006, 07:53 AM
Hammasiyammas, ja 99% dib oshirvordiz. Masalan, man tanigan 3ta ginekolog erkakni oilasi bor, oilali erkaklardek normalniy hammasi, hich qanaqa gey clublaga boradiganlardan ham emas.
Masalan men o'qituvchilik kasbi bilan yaxshi tanishman, o'qituvchilik qilib yurgan kezlarim ko'pincha ishim ya'ni, maktab, dars, bo'lalar... tushlarimga kirib chiqardi.........
Agar ginekolog bo'lganimda-chi...tasavvur qilyaptsizmi? Men chiday olmagan bo'lardim, tez orada o'zimni osib-netib qo'ygan bo'lardim...."normalniy" bo'la olmasdim.....
Doctor
09-15-2006, 07:53 AM
анегдот борку генеколог тугрисида
генеколог сказал я женюс на той девушке которая хот чемта удивит меня
Royal
09-15-2006, 07:55 AM
elodradoni
Kim bolishidan qattie nazar ishini bilsin
degan gapga 100% qoshilmasdan iloj yoq.
lobar
09-15-2006, 07:59 AM
Masalan men o'qituvchilik kasbi bilan yaxshi tanishman, o'qituvchilik qilib yurgan kezlarim ko'pincha ishim ya'ni, maktab, dars, bo'lalar... tushlarimga kirib chiqardi.........
Agar ginekolog bo'lganimda-chi...tasavvur qilyaptsizmi? Men chiday olmagan bo'lardim, tez orada o'zimni osib-netib qo'ygan bo'lardim...."normalniy" bo'la olmasdim.....
:lol::lol::lol:
tushizga nimalar kirishini ko'z oldimga keltirdim :lol:
Lekin hammayam bir hilmasde, Muhlis aka , menam o'qituvchi bo'lgandim, vay shunaqa boshimni qotirishardii, shunaqa boshimni og'ritib tashashardi. Lekin tushimda o'qituvchiligimni, yoki to'polonchi o'quvchilarimni hicham ko'rmasdim :)
kingdom
09-15-2006, 08:00 AM
Mayli mayli nima bugandayam shu ayollar eson omon kuzi yorisa buldi;)
UzLand
09-15-2006, 08:00 AM
анегдот борку генеколог тугрисида
генеколог сказал я женюс на той девушке которая хот чемта удивит меня
А есть еще другой анекдот.
Два гинеколога сидят и болтают. "Ну что мы о работе, да о работе? Давай о девочках поговорим".:D
MUHLIS
09-15-2006, 08:05 AM
Lobar,
Ha endi hamma har-hil bo'ladida. Men o'zimning holatimdan kelib chiqib gapirdimda. E'tibor qilmang.
А есть еще другой анекдот.
Два гинеколога сидят и болтают. "Ну что мы о работе, да о работе? Давай о девочках поговорим".:D
:lool:
kingdom
09-15-2006, 08:06 AM
Ha endi devochka bilan jenshinani farqi borda!nima demadiyiz?:lol: А есть еще другой анекдот.
Два гинеколога сидят и болтают. "Ну что мы о работе, да о работе? Давай о девочках поговорим".:D
Lady_G
09-15-2006, 08:07 AM
Masalan men o'qituvchilik kasbi bilan yaxshi tanishman, o'qituvchilik qilib yurgan kezlarim ko'pincha ishim ya'ni, maktab, dars, bo'lalar... tushlarimga kirib chiqardi.........
Agar ginekolog bo'lganimda-chi...tasavvur qilyaptsizmi? Men chiday olmagan bo'lardim, tez orada o'zimni osib-netib qo'ygan bo'lardim...."normalniy" bo'la olmasdim.....Ушангаям улар тезда уйланволишади. Уйига бориб эса яхшиям сан борсан, узимни нормальнаямсан дейишадидеее :lol:.
Профессоримиз айтардила акли хуши жойида булган одам доктор булмиди, агарда сиз доктор булсангиз, диплом оган кунингиздан тутиб ман касал булишни хохламийман деб :lol: ..
anatoliydaev
09-15-2006, 08:11 AM
Гинеколов вроде еще не обсуждали. Быстро взрослеет поколение форумчан. Сперва игрушки, качели, школа. Теперь вот свадьбы и гинекологи. Завтра - детские имена, борьба с мужским храпом и как решить проблему со свекровью (тещей). Послезавтра - в какую школу отдать ребенка и как отучить ребенка от курения.
По теме. У меня друг гинеколог. Так шо, отношусь нормально, но кушать плов из его рук наверное все же откажусь :)
anatoliydaev
09-15-2006, 08:12 AM
анегдот борку генеколог тугрисида
генеколог сказал я женюс на той девушке которая хот чемта удивит меня
Да еще есть анегдод про цыганку и запарившегося гинеколога. Только пошлый, поэтому не буду рассказывать. :D
Royal
09-15-2006, 08:15 AM
4 ginekologa sideli v kafe i razgovarivali o rabote, odin iz nih skazal:
- rebyata, davayte pogovarim o devushkah, a to tolko o rabote uje skushno...
UzLand
09-15-2006, 08:17 AM
4 ginekologa sideli v kafe i razgovarivali o rabote, odin iz nih skazal:
- rebyata, davayte pogovarim o devushkah, a to tolko o rabote uje skushno...
Click here http://forum.arbuz.com/showpost.php?p=502678&postcount=52
:lol:
А теперь, давай, о девушках:lol:
Wolfman
09-15-2006, 08:24 AM
ayolning dardini erkak qayerdan ham bilsin, qanday his qilsin? ayollarga xos masalalarni faqat kitobdan o'qivogan.
Wolf
Royal
09-15-2006, 08:55 AM
UzLand
Uzr, uzr kormie qopmande endi, bir qoshiq qonimzidan kechasla...
Lekin diplom bomasayam yahshilap korib qoyishimiz mumkin...kelila.
Lady_G
09-15-2006, 08:57 AM
neither:twisted: . vdrug jenshina-ginekolog okajetsa lesbiyankoy?:twisted:
Ну ман ффффсё улдим:rofl:
Хали аёллар хам номахрам денг :lool: .
Хотиними соблазнит кип куймасин тагин денг? :rofl:
UzbekGirlie
09-15-2006, 09:27 AM
neither:twisted: . vdrug jenshina-ginekolog okajetsa lesbiyankoy?:twisted:
Why does it matter whether gyno is a man, women, gay, lezbo or straight... You are not going on a date but for a check up... And most of them don’t get a satisfaction from Pap smear or breast exam...
UzLand
09-15-2006, 09:35 AM
Ну ман ффффсё улдим:rofl:
Хали аёллар хам номахрам денг :lool: .
Хотиними соблазнит кип куймасин тагин денг? :rofl:
Туйдан олдин улманг энди.
Vector
09-15-2006, 09:35 AM
svoyu zhenu k mujchine ginekologu, nikogda nebyvat' :x
yab luchshe sam nauchus' etoy professi chem 'pokazat' svoyu zhenu kakomuto mudaku...;)
UzLand
09-15-2006, 09:36 AM
svoyu zhenu k mujchine ginekologu, nikogda nebyvat' :x
yab luchshe sam nauchus' etoy professi chem 'pokazat' svoyu zhenu kakomuto mudaku...;)
Когда ей приспичится, она сходит к врачу и тебя не спросит:)
Vector
09-15-2006, 09:39 AM
Когда ей приспичится, она сходит к врачу и тебя не спросит:)
da pust' poprobuet...:guill: :lol:
anatoliydaev
09-15-2006, 09:43 AM
:guill: :lol:
ЛОЛ! Классный семейный портрет получился. Слева - жена, справа-смеющийся Виктор.
Asadbek
09-15-2006, 10:00 AM
Когда ей приспичится, она сходит к врачу и тебя не спросит:)
O'zbekchasiga nima bo'ladi? "Qichisa, sendan so'ramay do'xtirga boradi" dedingizmi rus tilida? :D
Aytmoqchi, osh haqidagi o'xshatishingiz baribir o'xshamadi ;)
UzLand
09-15-2006, 10:26 AM
O'zbekchasiga nima bo'ladi? "Qichisa, sendan so'ramay do'xtirga boradi" dedingizmi rus tilida? :D
Aytmoqchi, osh haqidagi o'xshatishingiz baribir o'xshamadi ;)
Сунгги пайтда анча бузилибсиз сиз хам. Бизга ухшаганлардан урнак олманг. "Уткан кунлар"даги Отабек бунака купол гапирмаган буларди. Аеллар кичиса гинекологга учрайди холосми?
Ош хакидаги ухшатиш законний епишган:)
UzLand
09-15-2006, 10:27 AM
ya vse taki rasskaju.:D ne sudi i ne budesh sudim deganakan:D
- u odnogo LOR-vracha bil yubiley. reshili otprazdnivat kak sleduet, tak kak on na pensiyu toje viydet. i ego kollegi podarili emu bolshoye uho v etot torjestvenniy den. on skazal: "Spasibo vam dorogiye, no ya ochen rad shto ya ne ginekolog" :D :D :D
Улдирдизку одамни:) А еще лучше, что он не уролог:lol: :lol: :lol:
svoyu zhenu k mujchine ginekologu, nikogda nebyvat' :x
yab luchshe sam nauchus' etoy professi chem 'pokazat' svoyu zhenu kakomuto mudaku...;)
skaji eshe i rodi sam primesh i uzi snimat budesh :twisted:
Bilol
09-15-2006, 10:35 AM
man qarshiman judayam.
for me doctors - are not male, they are doctors!
for me male doctors ARE male, femaale doctors ARE female.
Erkak ginekolog bo'lishi haqida nima deb o'ylaysiz?
qarshiman, tish-tirnog'mgacha qarshiman.
kerak bo'lsa o'zim o'rganivolaman o'sha kasbni, male ginekologga oborguncha.
for me male doctors ARE male, femaale doctors ARE female.
Erkak ginekolog bo'lishi haqida nima deb o'ylaysiz?
qarshiman, tish-tirnog'mgacha qarshiman.
kerak bo'lsa o'zim o'rganivolaman o'sha kasbni, male ginekologga oborguncha.
nima desam? - bechora hotiniz! :rolleyes:
UzLand
09-15-2006, 10:42 AM
skaji eshe i rodi sam primesh i uzi snimat budesh :twisted:
...и сам рожать будешь...:lol:
ДЖИГИТ
09-15-2006, 10:49 AM
for me male doctors ARE male, femaale doctors ARE female.
Erkak ginekolog bo'lishi haqida nima deb o'ylaysiz?
qarshiman, tish-tirnog'mgacha qarshiman.
kerak bo'lsa o'zim o'rganivolaman o'sha kasbni, male ginekologga oborguncha.
Bordi endi siz male masmisiz male ginekologgacha obormiman deysiz? Nima roddomda bir guruh akusher erkaklar tug'dirarmikan? Bo'sa bitta-ikkita bo'ladi. Jon og'riganda, yordam kerak bo'ganda, odamcha shuncha mashaqqat bilan dunyoga kelayotgan paytda "male", "female" ni nima farqi bor, ahir hammamiz o'sha erdan tug'ilamiz, male akusher ham onadan tug'ilgan, female akusherka ham onadan tug'ilgan, yomon niyat degan ma'noda etsangiz, har kim har qanday ishni o'zi uchun qiladi, yahshilik qilsa o'zi uchun, yomonlik qilsa o'zi uchun. yordam kere bo'ganda ilmli-bilimli ginekolog bo'lsa bas.
Amiri Turkiston
09-15-2006, 11:12 AM
Umuman qarshiman
bitta do'stim bo'lardi ... Toshmida o'qidi ...keyin ginekolog buldi
ko'rganimda ooo manga qara erkakmisan ,,,erkakka o'hshagan ish qilsang ham bulardi ... ayol kishini avratini tomosha qilguncha deganimdan keyin boshqa gaplashmay qo'ygan
endi kasb tanlashda ham odam farosatni ishlatish kerak -da
man hech qachon ushanga ayolimni qarattirib qo'ymasdim ...eng zo'r doktor bulganda ham
ДЖИГИТ
09-15-2006, 11:16 AM
9 months (Robin Williams - rus akusherini o'ynidi) shu kinoni bitta ko'rila, zo'r kino.
... you have small pusy - koshka...baby or cat... degan joyini sindirib qo'ygan )))
UzbekGirlie
09-15-2006, 11:21 AM
Umuman qarshiman
bitta do'stim bo'lardi ... Toshmida o'qidi ...keyin ginekolog buldi
ko'rganimda ooo manga qara erkakmisan ,,,erkakka o'hshagan ish qilsang ham bulardi ... ayol kishini avratini tomosha qilguncha deganimdan keyin boshqa gaplashmay qo'ygan
endi kasb tanlashda ham odam farosatni ishlatish kerak -da
man hech qachon ushanga ayolimni qarattirib qo'ymasdim ...eng zo'r doktor bulganda ham
I think this is a backward mentality... I mean at the end of the day he is a doctor and if he is a good one- what does it matter what he is... For them it is a job and thats all it is... Plus the best gyno doctors often happen to be man...
UzLand
09-15-2006, 11:35 AM
Bordi endi siz male masmisiz male ginekologgacha obormiman deysiz? Nima roddomda bir guruh akusher erkaklar tug'dirarmikan? Bo'sa bitta-ikkita bo'ladi. Jon og'riganda, yordam kerak bo'ganda, odamcha shuncha mashaqqat bilan dunyoga kelayotgan paytda "male", "female" ni nima farqi bor, ahir hammamiz o'sha erdan tug'ilamiz, male akusher ham onadan tug'ilgan, female akusherka ham onadan tug'ilgan, yomon niyat degan ma'noda etsangiz, har kim har qanday ishni o'zi uchun qiladi, yahshilik qilsa o'zi uchun, yomonlik qilsa o'zi uchun. yordam kere bo'ganda ilmli-bilimli ginekolog bo'lsa bas.
Акушер билан гинекологнинг вазифалари хар хил.
UzLand
09-15-2006, 11:37 AM
man hech qachon ushanga ayolimni qarattirib qo'ymasdim ...eng zo'r doktor bulganda ham
Илохим, энг зур доктор талаб килинадиган касалликка учрашмасин. Never say never.
Frida
09-15-2006, 11:41 AM
Umuman qarshiman
bitta do'stim bo'lardi ... Toshmida o'qidi ...keyin ginekolog buldi
ko'rganimda ooo manga qara erkakmisan ,,,erkakka o'hshagan ish qilsang ham bulardi ... ayol kishini avratini tomosha qilguncha deganimdan keyin boshqa gaplashmay qo'ygan
endi kasb tanlashda ham odam farosatni ishlatish kerak -da
man hech qachon ushanga ayolimni qarattirib qo'ymasdim ...eng zo'r doktor bulganda ham
lekin yaxshi do'stdan ayrilibsiz....
ДЖИГИТ
09-15-2006, 11:43 AM
Акушер билан гинекологнинг вазифалари хар хил.
vot imenno o'qishni bitirganla, otdel'no ginekolog yoki akusherlikga o'qishmidi, ular akusher-ginekolog degan diplom olishadi, s tsel'yu, chtobi ginekolog mog prinimat' rodi, a akusheri imeli ponyatiye o ginekologii. Prosto praktika ih razdel'naya. Eto kak perevodchik-filolog, kakoy on perevodchik, esli ne znaet filologiyu ili kakoy on filolog esli ne umeet perevodit', hotya bi elementarno.
SmIlIk
09-15-2006, 11:56 AM
Like Studentin said, I believe Dr. should not have gender. However, my first preference is female when it comes to gynecologist. I still think that there is nothing wrong with having male gynecologists, especially, if they are better than females at that field.
SmIlIk
09-15-2006, 12:01 PM
Umuman qarshiman
bitta do'stim bo'lardi ... Toshmida o'qidi ...keyin ginekolog buldi
ko'rganimda ooo manga qara erkakmisan ,,,erkakka o'hshagan ish qilsang ham bulardi ... ayol kishini avratini tomosha qilguncha deganimdan keyin boshqa gaplashmay qo'ygan
endi kasb tanlashda ham odam farosatni ishlatish kerak -da
man hech qachon ushanga ayolimni qarattirib qo'ymasdim ...eng zo'r doktor bulganda ham
Bu xar bir kishining individual qarashi va o'z kasbiga qanday foyda keltira olishi bilan o'lchanadi. Bunday kasbni tanlaganlarga farosatsiz deyish ayb.
Sizning ham tanlashga xuquqingiz bor, shuning uchun ayolingizni b'azi bir qarashlaringizga ko'ra erkak vrachiga ko'rsatmaysiz. Lekin dinda ham bunga ijobiy fatwo berilgan eshitgandim.
SmIlIk
09-15-2006, 12:07 PM
This topic is about learning forumers' opinions about male gynecologists. That is it. Is it ok for you as a male/female or not. Why to know the opinion of men? Coz I think it concerns husbands as well. I have not heard of female men's doctor in my life.
Vote then. :)
Vote qilish uchun menga yetarli option berilmagan ekan :)
Asadbek
09-15-2006, 12:41 PM
Сунгги пайтда анча бузилибсиз сиз хам. Бизга ухшаганлардан урнак олманг. "Уткан кунлар"даги Отабек бунака купол гапирмаган буларди. Аеллар кичиса гинекологга учрайди холосми?
UzLand aka,
meni behuda ayblayapsiz, men atigi Sizning ruscha gapingizni O'zbekchaga tarjima qilib, shunaqa dedingizmi, deb so'radim.
Demak, rostdan ham shunaqa debsiz... Aks holda, tarjimani to'g'rilagan bo'lardingiz "buzilibsiz" deyishni o'rniga :D
UzLand
09-15-2006, 01:14 PM
UzLand aka,
meni behuda ayblayapsiz, men atigi Sizning ruscha gapingizni O'zbekchaga tarjima qilib, shunaqa dedingizmi, deb so'radim. Demak, rostdan ham shunaqa debsiz... Aks holda, tarjimani to'g'rilagan bo'lardingiz "buzilibsiz" deyishni o'rniga :D
Кичиб колса - если зачешится...
Если приспичится - зарурият тугилиб колса...
Буни узингиз хам тугри таржима килиб олсангиз буларди.
Лекин, барибир, бузилибсиз:)
Angeleyes
09-15-2006, 01:15 PM
если роды принимает мужчина-гинеколог - родиться Мальчик!
а если женщина - то Девочка [jk]:lol:
А вообще-то в нашем городе самым лучшим гинекологом считался Никита, мужчина-гинеколог. И почему-то все старались попасть на прием именно к нему.
Вначале все говорят не хочу чтоб мужчина был, а Когда приходит время рожать, им не до стыда и всем пофиг кто там роды принимает, главное чтоб мать и ребенок были живыми и здоровыми...;)
:)
Asadbek
09-15-2006, 01:18 PM
Кичиб колса - если зачешится...
Если приспичится - зарурият тугилиб колса...
Буни узингиз хам тугри таржима килиб олсангиз буларди.
Лекин, барибир, бузилибсиз:)Iyyeee, shunaqa demaysizmi... Men Ruscha-Nemischa lug'atga qaragandim, "qichimoq" degan tarjimasi bor ekan-da...
Yo'q aka, o'sha-o'shaman. Buzilganim yo'q-ku, yaxshi tomonga o'zgarayotgandirman... :D
Angeleyes
09-15-2006, 01:22 PM
Анекдот:
Вопрос: -Почему Вы, мужчина. и выбрали профессию гинеколога?
Ответ: -Потому что мама всегда говорила, Сынок! держи руки в тепле и большой карман ...:lol:
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Sevinch
09-15-2006, 01:30 PM
Erkak ginekologni - ginekolog deb bilaman.
Eng asosiysi bolani sog' solomat osonlikcha dunyoga keltirishidur.
Kim bulishidan qat'i nazar.
PainKiller
09-15-2006, 06:31 PM
Энди, Авваламбор хамма нарса Худонинг колида, эртага бошимизга канака кун тушишини хеч ким билмайди.
Агар, Худо корсатмасин, гинеколокка ишим тушгудай булса(нафакат гинеколог, терапефтми, маммологми) бориб курилади. Агар, Петров билан Петрованинг орасида танлаш иложиси булиб колса, албатта Петрова опага коринаман деб уйлайман. Лекин, агар кон кетиб улар ахвлода булса инсон, ёки хомиланинг хаётига хавф тугилгудай булса, эркакми аёлми караб утирмасам керак. Унака пайтда, кузга жондан бошка хеч нарса куринмай колади.
Бир гинеколог танишим бор, Рус йигит. Шундан бир куни сурадим:
-Беморларинга нисбатан у бу туйгу буладими? деб,
Шунда у менга, Жамиля, агар булмайди десам, алдаган буламан. Агар хузуринга келган ёш, чиройли, келишган покиза киз булса, албатта ичинда бир нарса "жиз" этади. Лекин хеч качон чегарадан чикмаганман, деди. Ва кушиб куйган:
-Ростини айтсам, гинекологларнинг иши одамлар уйлагандака Маззза эмас. Бизнинг хузуримизга кир, ювинмаган, касалланган аёллар келади, базида Худо фаросат бермаганига, сал узига караб келмаганига, кунглим айниб кетади.
Хуллас, минг "дунёкарашим кенг" деганим билан, барибир аши узбекчиликка тортади. Танимган, билмаган шифокорнинг олдида, аёл киши булса хам, шатр ечиниб ташлай олмасам керак.
Хаммага омад.
Amiri Turkiston
09-15-2006, 09:51 PM
nimaga vote javoblarini ko'rsa bulmaydi ???
...aytmoqchi bulganim kim nimani tanlaganini
Royal
09-15-2006, 11:08 PM
Iyyeee, shunaqa demaysizmi... Men Ruscha-Nemischa lug'atga qaragandim, "qichimoq" degan tarjimasi bor ekan-da...
Yo'q aka, o'sha-o'shaman. Buzilganim yo'q-ku, yaxshi tomonga o'zgarayotgandirman... :D
Ollllaaaaaa Bek
Buzilishniyam oziga yarasha vaqti bor, vaqti otmasdan ishni pishirish keray, vaqti otgandan keyin yana kech bop qomasinde endi. yana kelin bola etmasin
"vaqtiz otipti" dip.....:lool:
Royal
09-15-2006, 11:10 PM
... Танимган, билмаган шифокорнинг олдида, аёл киши булса хам, шатр ечиниб ташлай олмасам керак.
Хаммага омад.
Taniganini oldidachi ?
bacha
09-15-2006, 11:43 PM
Hohlang diniy nuqtai nazardan qarang, hohlang ilmiy, erkaklarning ginekolog bulishlaridan hich qanaqa zarar yoq. Ginekolog faqat tugilishda yordam beradigan inson emas, hotinlarning kupgina boshqa kasalliklari bor.
Oldin tabiblar hammasi erkak bulgan. Hich biri aellarning nomahram joylarini kurmagan deb uylaysizmi?
Agar shaharingizda faqat bitta ginekolog bulsayu, u ekrak kishi bulsachi?
Kiyin, ginekologlar shunaqangi kup aellarni kurib chiqadilarki, ael zotiga bulgan jinsiy zavqlari studentlik vaqtlarida ulib ketsa kerak... Tasavvur qiling 75 yoshli kampir, faqat aellarga hos kasallik bilan ginekologni oldiga kelgan bulsa, bechora odam uni ham "echining hola, kuramiz" deyishga majbur, ichida albatta "voy dahshaaaat" deb qichqiradi. :)
Ginekologlarga buyuk bobomiz Leninning ordenini berish kerak.
Prince
09-16-2006, 12:23 AM
Ayol kishi erkak bolmagan kishi oldida echinish uyoqda tursin utirishi xam mumkin emas!!! chunki u NOMAXRAM! shunday ekan mening fikricha Uzini hurmat qilgan erkak kishi yaniki ER , uzini HOTININI(AYOLINI) boshqa erkaklarni yoniga kirgizvormasa kerak!!!
P.S Muallif fikri boshqa fikrlardan farq qiishi mumkin :)
elDoraDo
09-16-2006, 04:43 AM
ayolning dardini erkak qayerdan ham bilsin, qanday his qilsin? ayollarga xos masalalarni faqat kitobdan o'qivogan.
Wolf
hmmmm infarktni davolovchi vrach ham birovni tuzatishdan oldin infarkt bilan ozi ogrishi kerak - degan gapmi bu?
Black
09-16-2006, 04:53 AM
Абу Али ибн Сино хазратлари хам бир вактлар динимиз ва маданиятимизга зид одам деб хисобланган эди.
Shu yerigacha sabr qilib o'qib kelayotgan edimu(ohirigacha o'qib keyin o'z fikrimni yozmoqchi edim), lekin shu postni o'qib o'zimni tutib turolmadim.
Uzland shu gapingizga isbot keltira olasizmi? Faqat 20 asr kommunist tarihchilar kitobidan emas, haqiqiy tarihiy asarlardan? Ibn Sinoni meditsina sohasida o'z davrida kim nima deganini bilmadimu, lekin u ko'pincha hukmdorlar e'tiborida bo'lgan va o'sha davr hukmdorlari uni o'z saroyida yoki o'z yaqinida bo'lishini istashgan. Oldin Horazmda Ma'mun akademiyasida ishlagan, keyin Horazmni G'aznaviy bosib olgandan so'ng uni o'z poytahtiga olib ketishni istagan. Lekin u (yo'lda) qochgan. Agar haqiqatdan ham uni o'sha davrda "din va madaniyat dushmani" deb hisoblaganlarida edi, u hukmdorlar saroylarida bir kun ham turolmasdi, va shohlar ham u bilan bunchalik qiziqmasdi. Uni quvg'inda bo'lganligining asosiy sababi, bilishimcha, ibn Sinoning G'aznaviydan qochib yurganligidadir. Ikkinchi tarafdan, ibn Sino tibbiyotdan tashqari falsafa va boshqa fanlar bilan ham shug'ullangan, lekin uning falsafiy qarashlari Islom ulamolari tomonidan tanqid qilingan. Agar mabodo ibn Sino ta'qib qilingan yoki "din va madaniyat dushmani" deb nomlangan bo'lsa ham, u tabib (doktor) bo'lgani va ayollarni davolagani uchun emas, balki diniy qarashlari hato bo'lgani uchun shunday qilingan bo'lishi mumkin. Shuning uchun ibn Sinoning bu mavzuga aloqasi yo'q!
Boshqa tarafdan, ayrim manbaalarda o'sha davrlarda ham erkak tabiblar ayollarni ham davolashgan degan (faqat hozirgiday ko'rinishda emas va ginikolog sifatida emas) ma'lumotlar keladi, demak shu gaplar rost bo'lsa ibn Sinoni "din va madaniyat dushmani"ga chiqarilishi 20 asrda ateistlar tomonidan to'qib chiqarilgani ma'lum bo'ladi.
Maroon
09-16-2006, 05:33 AM
Ayol kishi erkak bolmagan kishi oldida echinish uyoqda tursin utirishi xam mumkin emas!!! chunki u NOMAXRAM! shunday ekan mening fikricha Uzini hurmat qilgan erkak kishi yaniki ER , uzini HOTININI(AYOLINI) boshqa erkaklarni yoniga kirgizvormasa kerak!!!
P.S Muallif fikri boshqa fikrlardan farq qiishi mumkin :)
Oh please whatever. If your wife is having some kind of attack or whatever and the only doctor to help is a male then it would be very very stupid of you to say no in this matter.
I had an operation and the only doctors who were professionals at it were males. THANK GOD and GOD BLESS THEM because without them God knows what would happen.
So please, leave your stupid comments such as a men who respects himself won't allow his wife to see a man doctor. Because you know what, those men doctors see so many vaginas and breasts that your wife's or any other persons wife won't make make them a difference. Mdaaaaaaaaaa
Even talking about this for a man in a public forum is pathetic. Talk about it with your wife, coz it is a personal matter.
Now, peace out.
Black
09-16-2006, 05:56 AM
Ko'p yahshi gaplar aytilibdi, faqat ikki taraf ham ("ZA" va "PROTIV") bir birini unchalik tushunmayotgan bo'lsa kerak ayrim hollarda.
1) Albatta har qanday g'ururi bor erkak o'z ayolini boshqa erkakka ko'rsatishni istamaydi. Gap faqat uning oldida yechinishda ham emas. Erkak kishi bo'lgandan keyin o'z ayolini boshqalardan qizg'anadi. O'z ayolini qizg'anmagan, boshqalardan rashq qilmagan erkakni bilmadim, erkak desa bo'ladi yoki yo'qmi... Menimcha bo'lmasa kerak. Shuning uchun tanlsh iloji bor joyda ayol genekolog bo'lgani maqul.
2) Ayrimlar "agar hotingiz tug'ayotgan bo'lsachi", "agar u o'lib qolayotgan bo'lsachi" degan gaplarni qilishibdi. Fikrimcha poll da expectional extreme case lar haqida gap ketmayapti. Agar ana o'sha erkak genekolog bo'lmaganda, uning o'rniga ayol genekologni qo'yib qo'yishardi va exceptional caselarda ham ayol genekologga to'g'ri kelardi. Lekin hayotiylikdan kelib chiqadigan bo'lsak, agar ayolni yoki tug'ulayotgan bolani hayoti havf ostida qoladigan bo'lsa erkak genekologga murojaat etishga ruhsat bo'lsa kerak (albatta bunday holatlardan Hudoni O'zi saqlasin).
3) Yana "erkak genekolog bunaqa narsalarni ko'raverib hatto kiprigini ham qimirlatmaydigan bo'p ketadi" yoki "unga ta'sir ham qilmadyi" degan fikrlar bildirilibdi. Bu fikrlarning kelib chiqish asosi o'zi noto'g'ri. Erkak o'z ayolini boshqa birovdan qizg'anganda, rashq qilganda nafaqat boshqa erkak ayolga qarab shahvati (vozbujdeniya bo'lsa kerak ruschasi) kelgani uchun, balki uning nomahram erkak bo'lgani uchun rashq qiladi. Erkak kishi hotinini boshqa erkaklarni kiprigi qimirlasin-qimirlamasin, shahvati qo'zg'alsin-qo'zg'almasin baribir rashq qiladi. Qizlar agar erlaringiz sizni erkak genekologga borish bormasligingizga befarq bo'lsa, uning "seni sevaman" degan cho'pchaklariga ishonib o'tirmang. Sevgan odam rashq qiladi, hattoki doktordan ham, hattoki o'z eng chin, eng qalin do'stidan ham, hattoki o'z akasidan ham, o'z ukasidan ham. Erkak o'z do'sti yoki akasi yoki ukasiga ishonmaganidan emas, balki o'zining erkaklik hususiyati va ayolini sevishidan kelib chiqib rashq qiladi. Rashq qilmasa yoki sevmaydi, yoki umuman .....
Ayrimlar "backward minded" yoki "backward mentality" deyishi mumkin. Lekin aslo unaqa emas, Ruslar aytganday "Kajdiy dumaet po mere svoey isporchennositti". Backward mentality lar backward mentality bilan fikrlaydi.
Bu faqat mening fikrlarim holos. Siz ularni to'g'ri deb hisoblamasliginiz mumkin, lekin bu sizning problemangiz.
Aytgancha erkak genekolog ayoldan yahshi bo'ladi degan gap asossiz gap. Hammasi odamni o'ziga, i.e. genekologga bog'liq.
Brigadir
09-16-2006, 06:07 AM
Taniganini oldidachi ?
qattu savol bo'pti :lol:
Brigadir
09-16-2006, 06:20 AM
Bitta anekdot esimga tushib ketdi beremenniy hotinlar haqida...
3ta homlador hotin sehrgar oldiga borib debdi-
1)Mani qizim Rushana Sultonovadek raqqosa bo'lsin
2)Mani o'g'lim Sheralidek qo'shiqchi bo'lsin
3)Mani bolam mafiyoz bo'lsin
3-4oy o'tib... Roddom. Rod ketvotti.
1-xotinning qizi tug'ilishi bilan raqsga tushib ketibdi, 2-xotinning bolasi tug'ulishi bilan ashula etvotgan emish, lekin 3-xotinning bolasi tug'ulishi qiyin bo'lib turgan ekan. Shunda genekolog akamiz hafsala bilan bolani ushlab tortib boshlagan ekan bola kallasi chiqishi bilan do'htirga debdi:
-Qo'lingni tort to'rt ko'z o'zim tushaman dermish:lol:
Inspiredmind
09-16-2006, 07:02 AM
salom,
javoblarni o'kidimku, lekim KURON nima deydi by soha to'g'risida ko'rmadim, agarda bilsangizlar post kilarsizlar. raxmat oldindan.
Men ham 100% protivman male gynga, kaysi g'yryri bor erkak kishi hotinini 100% stranger male gynga topshiradi, erkak kishi bilish kerak vakti kelayotganida 1, 2 female doctorlarni ready for extrem service kilib koyadi, aks holda female sosedlar bor o'shalarni call kilish kerak agarda yuda tyg'ayotgan bo'lsa, kimlar ko'p ayollar ko'p atrofimizda any femaleni chakirib erdam so'rashi mumkim.
Kingdomni gapi is right, as i know KURON says
“Your wives are a tillage for you [to cultivate] [nisa’u-kum harthun l-kum]
so go to your tillage as you wish. [fa-’’tu hartha-kum anna shi’tum] Q 2:223.
shynga ssilatsya kilishi mumkim deb oylayman Kingdom.
hurmat ila,
Royal
09-16-2006, 07:48 AM
Ayol kishi erkak bolmagan kishi oldida echinish uyoqda tursin utirishi xam mumkin emas!!! chunki u NOMAXRAM! shunday ekan mening fikricha Uzini hurmat qilgan erkak kishi yaniki ER , uzini HOTININI(AYOLINI) boshqa erkaklarni yoniga kirgizvormasa kerak!!!
P.S Muallif fikri boshqa fikrlardan farq qiishi mumkin :)
Tabib nomahram bomiydi...
Royal
09-16-2006, 07:50 AM
Ko'p yahshi gaplar aytilibdi, faqat ikki taraf ham ("ZA" va "PROTIV") bir birini unchalik tushunmayotgan bo'lsa kerak ayrim hollarda.
1) Albatta har qanday g'ururi bor erkak o'z ayolini boshqa erkakka ko'rsatishni istamaydi. Gap faqat uning oldida yechinishda ham emas. Erkak kishi bo'lgandan keyin o'z ayolini boshqalardan qizg'anadi. O'z ayolini qizg'anmagan, boshqalardan rashq qilmagan erkakni bilmadim, erkak desa bo'ladi yoki yo'qmi... Menimcha bo'lmasa kerak. Shuning uchun tanlsh iloji bor joyda ayol genekolog bo'lgani maqul.
2) Ayrimlar "agar hotingiz tug'ayotgan bo'lsachi", "agar u o'lib qolayotgan bo'lsachi" degan gaplarni qilishibdi. Fikrimcha poll da expectional extreme case lar haqida gap ketmayapti. Agar ana o'sha erkak genekolog bo'lmaganda, uning o'rniga ayol genekologni qo'yib qo'yishardi va exceptional caselarda ham ayol genekologga to'g'ri kelardi. Lekin hayotiylikdan kelib chiqadigan bo'lsak, agar ayolni yoki tug'ulayotgan bolani hayoti havf ostida qoladigan bo'lsa erkak genekologga murojaat etishga ruhsat bo'lsa kerak (albatta bunday holatlardan Hudoni O'zi saqlasin).
3) Yana "erkak genekolog bunaqa narsalarni ko'raverib hatto kiprigini ham qimirlatmaydigan bo'p ketadi" yoki "unga ta'sir ham qilmadyi" degan fikrlar bildirilibdi. Bu fikrlarning kelib chiqish asosi o'zi noto'g'ri. Erkak o'z ayolini boshqa birovdan qizg'anganda, rashq qilganda nafaqat boshqa erkak ayolga qarab shahvati (vozbujdeniya bo'lsa kerak ruschasi) kelgani uchun, balki uning nomahram erkak bo'lgani uchun rashq qiladi. Erkak kishi hotinini boshqa erkaklarni kiprigi qimirlasin-qimirlamasin, shahvati qo'zg'alsin-qo'zg'almasin baribir rashq qiladi. Qizlar agar erlaringiz sizni erkak genekologga borish bormasligingizga befarq bo'lsa, uning "seni sevaman" degan cho'pchaklariga ishonib o'tirmang. Sevgan odam rashq qiladi, hattoki doktordan ham, hattoki o'z eng chin, eng qalin do'stidan ham, hattoki o'z akasidan ham, o'z ukasidan ham. Erkak o'z do'sti yoki akasi yoki ukasiga ishonmaganidan emas, balki o'zining erkaklik hususiyati va ayolini sevishidan kelib chiqib rashq qiladi. Rashq qilmasa yoki sevmaydi, yoki umuman .....
Ayrimlar "backward minded" yoki "backward mentality" deyishi mumkin. Lekin aslo unaqa emas, Ruslar aytganday "Kajdiy dumaet po mere svoey isporchennositti". Backward mentality lar backward mentality bilan fikrlaydi.
Bu faqat mening fikrlarim holos. Siz ularni to'g'ri deb hisoblamasliginiz mumkin, lekin bu sizning problemangiz.
Aytgancha erkak genekolog ayoldan yahshi bo'ladi degan gap asossiz gap. Hammasi odamni o'ziga, i.e. genekologga bog'liq.
Bu yerda asosie gap ERKAK togrisida emas, balkim TABIB togrisida ketvotti...
toqqa qarap otlap kettiyla lekin...
Eng yahshisi uylanganlayu va uylanmoqchi boganlaga, ayollani to silaga tekkuncha kimga borgani bilan ishila boladimi yoki endi boradigani bilanmi ?
Agar endi boradigani bilan boladigan bosa unda shart qoysayla boladi: Dohtirin ayol kishi bosin, harajati mandan dip. boldi. shunagyam ota gori qozihonamai endi.....ollllaaaaa..
Kep qolila kerosin bor, kerosin...jvachka bor ,jvachka...
forex
09-16-2006, 08:17 AM
what kind of moron opened this thread anyway?
It has become a global problem in the forum,let everybody decide what he/she wants.Are you going to make a decision based on other people's comments?
Sarahjon
09-16-2006, 08:30 AM
astofirlo... nima balo, boshqa topicla qurib qoldimi???
{and then i feel like an old grandma writing this...}
erkak ginekolog bo'lishi mumkin...
buni hech kim cheklamagan... Shariatga ham zid emas...
lekin boshiga ish tushgan erkak yaqini uchun ayol ginekologni daragini surushtirib ham qo'yish kerak avvaldan...
Duch kelgan poliklinikaga oborib olib iye erkakku mayli nachora demasdan...
men ayol ginekologga ko'rsatish tarafdoriman.... tanishib ham qo'yganman..
lekin zarurat va o'lim hollarida erkak ginekolog ham joiz bo'lishini bilaman.. duo qilaman zaruratga duch keltirma deb...
UzLand
09-16-2006, 09:24 AM
Uzland shu gapingizga isbot keltira olasizmi? Faqat 20 asr kommunist tarihchilar kitobidan emas, haqiqiy tarihiy asarlardan? Ibn Sinoni meditsina sohasida o'z davrida kim nima deganini bilmadimu, lekin u ko'pincha hukmdorlar e'tiborida bo'lgan va o'sha davr hukmdorlari uni o'z saroyida yoki o'z yaqinida bo'lishini istashgan.
Мен "established" духтир булганидан кейин эмас, табибликни бошлаетган махални назарда тутдим. Одам ички тузилиши ва жаррохликни урганиши учун уликларни ерганини назарда тутяпман. Махмуд Газнавий саройида хизмат килгани билан султон атрофидаги диндорларнинг барчаси хам унга хурмат билан караган деб булмайди. 15-асрда яшаган ва ибн Синодан фаркли шох булган Улугбекнинг илмга берилгани уламо томонидан кандай кутиб олинганини биласиз. 10-11 асрларда яшаган ва шох булмаган ибн Сино хакида унда нима дейиш мумкин?
Bordi endi siz male masmisiz male ginekologgacha obormiman deysiz? Nima roddomda bir guruh akusher erkaklar tug'dirarmikan? Bo'sa bitta-ikkita bo'ladi. Jon og'riganda, yordam kerak bo'ganda, odamcha shuncha mashaqqat bilan dunyoga kelayotgan paytda "male", "female" ni nima farqi bor, ahir hammamiz o'sha erdan tug'ilamiz, male akusher ham onadan tug'ilgan, female akusherka ham onadan tug'ilgan, yomon niyat degan ma'noda etsangiz, har kim har qanday ishni o'zi uchun qiladi, yahshilik qilsa o'zi uchun, yomonlik qilsa o'zi uchun. yordam kere bo'ganda ilmli-bilimli ginekolog bo'lsa bas.ga javob :
Ayol kishi erkak bolmagan kishi oldida echinish uyoqda tursin utirishi xam mumkin emas!!! chunki u NOMAXRAM! shunday ekan mening fikricha Uzini hurmat qilgan erkak kishi yaniki ER , uzini HOTININI(AYOLINI) boshqa erkaklarni yoniga kirgizvormasa kerak!!!
P.S Muallif fikri lost fikriga 100% to'g'ri keldi
PS: DJIGIT, oxirgi gaplariz umumumiy chiroyli gaplar
UzLand
09-16-2006, 10:48 AM
What is the practice in Arab countries? Does anyone have accurate info?
[QUOTE=Han]erkak ginekolog bo'lishi mumkin...
buni hech kim cheklamagan... Shariatga ham zid emas...
QUOTE]
Han aka, dalillari bilanam yozing :), bilvolaylik :)
SmIlIk
09-16-2006, 11:05 AM
What is the practice in Arab countries? Does anyone have accurate info?
Q. I am a medical student and I would like to know if it is OK for a female doctor to examine male patients private areas, or is it OK for a male doctor to be a Gynecologist?
A. It is alright, early jurists allowed it. Medical Figh Conference in Kuwait in the 80's allowed it for the purposes of diagnosis, treatment and medical education. The Niyyah, (intention) however, is of crucial importance in the individual case. Patients' preferences should be respected.
http://www.islam-usa.com/e113.htm
http://www.al-islam.org/organizations/Aalimnetwork/msg00455.html
Wolfman
09-16-2006, 11:20 AM
bu yerda gap biron bir jinsga xos muammolar, alohida soha haqida ketayapti.
erkak ginekolog menstruatsiya, homiladorlik yoki tug'ish qanaqa bo'lishini qayerdan bilsin? ayol kishi emasmi ayolning dardini yaxshi tushunadigan?
Wolf
hmmmm infarktni davolovchi vrach ham birovni tuzatishdan oldin infarkt bilan ozi ogrishi kerak - degan gapmi bu?
SmIlIk
09-16-2006, 11:22 AM
bu yerda gap biron bir jinsga xos muammolar, alohida soha haqida ketayapti.
erkak ginekolog menstruatsiya, homiladorlik yoki tug'ish qanaqa bo'lishini qayerdan bilsin? ayol kishi emasmi ayolning dardini yaxshi tushunadigan?
Wolf
Gapni uzoqdaaan olib qochdiz lekin siz ham :lol: erkak ginekolog bo'lishdan oldin o'rgansa kerak bu narsalarni. Bo'lmasam u qaydan ginekolog bo'lib qoladi? :lol:
PainKiller
09-16-2006, 12:35 PM
Tug'ayotgan ayol ulim bilan hayotning orasida, jon talashib turgan paytda, erkak, nomahram degan narsalar kallaga kelmasa kerak?:rolleyes:
Prince
09-16-2006, 01:19 PM
If you really care about her , why not find some female doctors? Before attack happens ? So whenever something wrong call her ask for help! There are enough female Doctors and they can take care of your wife
P.S SLowly and Slowly people are getting far from Islam , step by step they are allowing more things what Allah clearly stated in Quran that it's prohibided! And we call it what? Development , Democracy or Freedom:twisted:
Oh please whatever. If your wife is having some kind of attack or whatever and the only doctor to help is a male then it would be very very stupid of you to say no in this matter.
I had an operation and the only doctors who were professionals at it were males. THANK GOD and GOD BLESS THEM because without them God knows what would happen.
So please, leave your stupid comments such as a men who respects himself won't allow his wife to see a man doctor. Because you know what, those men doctors see so many vaginas and breasts that your wife's or any other persons wife won't make make them a difference. Mdaaaaaaaaaa
Even talking about this for a man in a public forum is pathetic. Talk about it with your wife, coz it is a personal matter.
Now, peace out.
Prince
09-16-2006, 01:24 PM
ERKAK KISHI NAHOT UZINI RAFIQASI YOKI AYOLINI RASHK QIMASA?
Boror hotin, kimmi yoniga? Anu Petrov-nimi? A Boror uni qoli engil deb jonatvorsa?
Uzini va oilasini hurmat qigan odam: Hotini tugishidan oldin borib AYOL GINEKOLOGNI gaplashib qoyadi!!! Pokraynem mere Toshkentda shunaqasini korganmiz!!!!
P.S: Smilik arabla gapiroradi - Islam is not based what Arabs say!
Shokirbek
09-16-2006, 01:53 PM
Hurmatli birodarlar.
Men aminmanki, tabiiy holatlarda es-hushli, or-nomusli o'zbek yigiti ginekolog ayol bor bo'lsa, uni qo'yib erkak do'xtirga xotinini tug'dirgani bormaydi.
Zarurat, ekstrenniy holatlar (ayolning hayoti xavf ostida qolsayu, unga erkak ginekologdan boshqa kishi yordam berolmasa) bundan mustasno.
To'g'ri, tug'ish jarayoni qiyin kechadigan, ayol kishiga og'ir bo'lgan jarayon, shuning uchun ham onalar martabasi Islomda nihoyatda ulug', lekin tug'ayotgan ayol hayot bilan o'lim orasida bo'ladi, deb umumlashtisih menimcha xato, Xudoga shukr, tabiiy tug'ish hollarida ayol kishi 10min - 30min orasida yengil to'lg'oq tutib, keyin qutulib oladi.
To'lg'oq ba'zi homilalarda to'satdan kelib qoladi, ba'zan chaqaloq qorinda no'to'g'i joylashib qolishi mumkin tug'ish vaqti yaqinlashganda. Shu va shu kabi holatlar bo'lib qolish ehtimoli borligi sabab, (va o'zi umuman o'sha sabablarsiz ham) ilgaridan bir ginekolog ayol bilan bo'g'lanib, uni yollab qo'ygan yaxshi.
Xullas ginekolog ayollarimizni ko'paytirishimiz kerak. (oralaringda birorta ginekologiyada o'qiydigani yo'qmi, qizlar?).
UzLand
09-16-2006, 02:18 PM
SLowly and Slowly people are getting far from Islam , step by step they are allowing more things what Allah clearly stated in Quran that it's prohibided! And we call it what? Development , Democracy or Freedom:twisted:
Numbers show otherwise. The rate of conversion into Islam is higher than in any other religion. Besides, how do you base your argument that people are getting far from Islam? What are the indicators?
Frida
09-16-2006, 02:35 PM
Xudoga shukr, tabiiy tug'ish hollarida ayol kishi 10min - 30min orasida yengil to'lg'oq tutib, keyin qutulib oladi.
Shu xaqiqatmi? Men eshitishimcha to'lg'oq soatlab bo'ladi, hech kim 10-30 daqiqada tug'maydi. Mening yaqin qo'shnim 10 soat qiynalgan tug'aman deb, qandaydir suyaklari ochilmagan ekan o'z vaqtida. AQShda shundan tezroq bo'lsin deb ukol qilishadi deb aytishadi, lekin bizda tabiiy bo'lsin deb ancha kutishadi. Boshidan o'tganlardan ham eshitaylik, rosdan ham 10-30 minutmi? Bunga hech ham ishongim kelmayapti, chunki doim aksariyatini eshitaman.
Shokirbek
09-16-2006, 03:05 PM
Shu xaqiqatmi? Men eshitishimcha to'lg'oq soatlab bo'ladi, hech kim 10-30 daqiqada tug'maydi. Mening yaqin qo'shnim 10 soat qiynalgan tug'aman deb, qandaydir suyaklari ochilmagan ekan o'z vaqtida. AQShda shundan tezroq bo'lsin deb ukol qilishadi deb aytishadi, lekin bizda tabiiy bo'lsin deb ancha kutishadi. Boshidan o'tganlardan ham eshitaylik, rosdan ham 10-30 minutmi? Bunga hech ham ishongim kelmayapti, chunki doim aksariyatini eshitaman.
Tabiiy bo'lsa asosiy to'lg'oq o'sha yarim soat ichida bo'ladi, bir soatga bormaydi, 5-6 soat ilgari bir og'rib (1-2min) qo'yib yuborib turadi, bu hol har yarim soat- bir soatda takrorlanib, tug'ishga bir soatlar qolganda har besh (taxminan) minutda takrorlanaveradi. Bu, aytganimdek, tabiiy to'lg'oqda kechadigan jarayon.
Xotinimning boshidan har safar shu kezda o'tadi. Kichik o'g'limizni tug'ayotganda men tashqarida uzundan uzoq duo bilan mashg'ul edim (qancha suralarni o'qiganimni bilmayman). Bir soatdan keyin ginekolog ayol meni chaqirib, xotinizni palataga o'tkazdik, dedi. Borsam kulib yotibdi. Bir minut ham qiynalmadim, sizning yonizdan tug'ish xonasiga kirishim bilan bola tug'ildi, deydi.
Yor-do'stlarim 5-6tadan farzandi bor bo'lgan kishilar, ular ham shu fikrda.
Yana bir yigitni bilaman, 1972 yil tug'ilgan, yaqinda gaplashib qoldim, farzandlar nechta desam, 8ta deydi. To'xtatmaysizmi endi, xotinni charchatmang, desam, eee, xotinning o'zi istayapti, yaqinda 9-chisi bo'ladi Xudo xohlasa, tug'ishi juda oson, 7-chi farzandimizni uyda tug'ib o'zi basarlab oldi, deydi.
Ana shunaqa.
Favqulodda holatlarda to'lg'oq qiyin kechadi, deb eshitganman, lekin u onda - sonda bo'ladigan holatlar.
NYyankNY
09-16-2006, 03:18 PM
Gapizga 100% Qushilaman
Gapniyam poplabsiz lekin saqov bilan kuram tushinadi boru http://debri.ru/engine/data/emoticons/laughing.gif
Oh please whatever. If your wife is having some kind of attack or whatever and the only doctor to help is a male then it would be very very stupid of you to say no in this matter.
I had an operation and the only doctors who were professionals at it were males. THANK GOD and GOD BLESS THEM because without them God knows what would happen.
So please, leave your stupid comments such as a men who respects himself won't allow his wife to see a man doctor. Because you know what, those men doctors see so many vaginas and breasts that your wife's or any other persons wife won't make make them a difference. Mdaaaaaaaaaa
Even talking about this for a man in a public forum is pathetic. Talk about it with your wife, coz it is a personal matter.
Now, peace out.
NYyankNY
09-16-2006, 03:35 PM
:rolleyes: Woy wuuuuu Kall mamadanalar rassa kopayip ketipti yuuuuu ha ?
Botta bolasi borlar xam bor bolasi yoqlar xam bor hammasi domla :shock:
Oldin uylanin 9oy hotiningiz qinalganini kuring
nima azablar bilan kun kechirganini kuringlar
Unda maxram nomaxram aqilgayam kirmidi dustlarim
shu ayolni qutilvolishiga Hudodan boshqa narsa suramaysizlar
lobar
09-16-2006, 04:23 PM
Shu xaqiqatmi? Men eshitishimcha to'lg'oq soatlab bo'ladi, hech kim 10-30 daqiqada tug'maydi. Mening yaqin qo'shnim 10 soat qiynalgan tug'aman deb, qandaydir suyaklari ochilmagan ekan o'z vaqtida. AQShda shundan tezroq bo'lsin deb ukol qilishadi deb aytishadi, lekin bizda tabiiy bo'lsin deb ancha kutishadi. Boshidan o'tganlardan ham eshitaylik, rosdan ham 10-30 minutmi? Bunga hech ham ishongim kelmayapti, chunki doim aksariyatini eshitaman.
To'lg'oq soatlab bo'ladi, avvaliga har yarim soatda, keyin 15minut, 10 minut, 5 minut, 3minut, ohirida har minutda og'riq bo'ladi. Og'riqni tasvirlab berish qiyin, hamma joy baravariga og'riydi, ayol o'zini qo'yishga joy topolmiydi, buyoqqa o'grilsam og'riq susayarmikin dib qimirlasa battar og'riq zo'rayadi. bunga chidash.. azob..
Hammada har hil lekin. Tug'ishga tayor bo'ganiddan keyin ba'zilar yarim soatdayam, ba'zilar 5-6, hatto 10 soatlab ham tug'olmiy qiynaladiganlar bor. Keyin tez-oson tug'ish bolaning katta-kichikligigayam bog'liq. Vesi og'irroq bolalar tug'ilishi ancha qiyin kechadi
Lekinchi, bolani eson-omon tug'volib bag'riga olish onaning dunyodagi ennngg eng katta baxti shunda! Huddi o'sha vaqtda, bola onani bag'riga birinnnchi marta qo'yilganda haaamma og'riqla paq etib esdan chiqib ketadi. Mana shu eng katta baxt!
Odamlaga hayron qolaman, bolasi katta tug'ilsayam shu bilan maqtanishadi, uyoqda hotinini shuni deb qanchalik qiynalganini bilmiydiyam, palon kilo tug'ildi dib mahtanishadi. Kilosi kichikroq bo'lganlarni esa uyalib, sal oshiribroq aytishadi. A nima farqi boriykin a, tovba qildim :rolleyes: Kotta bo'sayam, kichikro bosayam o'sadi, o'sha chaqalo.
Yana nima farqi boriykin, o'sha og'riq azoblarda tepada erkeymi, ayolmi asosiysi, chin dildan yordamini ayamasa, ikki jonni omon qolishiga o'zini hissasini qo'shsa, bo'ldi! Nima keregi bor aa hotinni og'riq, azoblaa tug'ish paytida G'ururni o'ylab :rolleyes:
UzLand
09-16-2006, 06:38 PM
Odamlaga hayron qolaman, bolasi katta tug'ilsayam shu bilan maqtanishadi, uyoqda hotinini shuni deb qanchalik qiynalganini bilmiydiyam, palon kilo tug'ildi dib mahtanishadi. Kilosi kichikroq bo'lganlarni esa uyalib, sal oshiribroq aytishadi. A nima farqi boriykin a, tovba qildim :rolleyes: Kotta bo'sayam, kichikro bosayam o'sadi, o'sha chaqalo.
A little akward comparison but it is like a war, let's say, in Iraq. We hear about the number of casualties every day. 10 people dead...50 people dead, but we don't know the details of their death, we didn't see how they died.
If you watched "Bo'rilar vodiysi" made by Turks about the war in Iraq, you would know exactly how it feels like to be in Iraq.
Same with birth. Unless you experience it, you will never know what it is and you can only talk about the weight and height of the child and say nothing about what your wife went through.
UzbekGirlie
09-16-2006, 09:34 PM
If you really care about her , why not find some female doctors? Before attack happens ? So whenever something wrong call her ask for help! There are enough female Doctors and they can take care of your wife
P.S SLowly and Slowly people are getting far from Islam , step by step they are allowing more things what Allah clearly stated in Quran that it's prohibided! And we call it what? Development , Democracy or Freedom:twisted:
Your comment makes no sense as far as things being prohibited in Islam... Where in Qur'an does it say that a women can not be seen by a male doctor... I feel people like people like to interpert Qur'an as convinient and therefore today there are tons of controversies...
SAMARKANDI!
09-16-2006, 10:44 PM
Comlete bs, thats my view NAGATIVE with biig letters, in my eyes only a moron with no brains at all let alone any respect and dignity can take his wife to a male gynecologist.
what IS wrong with u guys, where is ur dignity. how can a man a muslim can take such a horrible disgusting action.
Astahfurullah, just a thought of it makes me puke, weird world we live in.
p.s. I think taking a wife to a male dantist is just a blink of an eye for some, here.
p.p.s. i saw a movie recently, american, "A party, good looking middle class hasbunds and wives gather,(mixing), drink, chat, sing then play games, game is about women picking men's car keys out of a pot with closed eyes, then getting laid with the owner of the key." Slowly i think but surely uzbeks are coming, watch OUT, to it.
SAMARKANDI!
09-16-2006, 10:55 PM
:chainsaw:
:moder:
:kill:
MirzoBobur
09-17-2006, 12:26 AM
Seni yotlar tugul hatto
Qilurman rashk o'zimdan ham,
Uzoqroq termulib qolsam
Bo'lurman g'ash ko'zimdan ham.
Ko'zim yongay senga nargis
Ko'zin tiksa chamanlarda,
Yashirmam, lolaga rashkim
Ayon bo'lgay yuzimdan ham.
Degaylarki, charosu
Ol gilos olmish labingdan rang
Labing tegsa hasad qilgum
Gilos birlan uzumdan ham
…
…
…
Erkin Vohidov
Assalomu Alaykum Forumdoshlar
Men shunday bosh og’riqqa duch kelganman, endi so’ramang, Ayol gnikolog qidirib bosh urmagan joy qolamadi…shunda Ollohdan qattiq “Qizim bo’lsa gnikolog qilaman” deb so’ragan edim, buni qarang Oloh menga qiz berdi. Dada Qizim katta bo’lsa gnikolog bo’ladi. Meni canocatlarimni esalab qolinglar, rashliklik birodarlar, qizlaringiz, kelinlarinigiz va nabira qizlaringiz bo’lsa meni Dada Qizim xizmatda bo’aldi…
NAsib bo’lsa Olloh omad berib qolsa…Uzda Ayollar Shifoxonalari ochishga qo’limdan kelgancha yordam beraman…
Ruslar MArkaziy Osiyoni bosib olgandan so’ng dinsizlashtirish, iymonsizlashtirish siyosatini qattiq olib brogan, bu siyosat Hozir ham davom etmoqda…Bizga shunday qonunlar kerak, ayollar shifoxonalarini ochish, gnikolog mutaxasisligiga o’qimoqchi bo’lgan ayollarga grantlar ajratish, rag’batlantish…Lekin UZda qonunlar ishlamaydi balkim uni IAK eshak qilib minmoqda, bunday sharoitda, bunday narsalarni kutish aqilga sig’maydigan
Xulosam MEN ERKAK KISHINI GNIKOLOG BO’LISHIGA MUTLOQ QARSHIMAN, BU UYATSIZLIK HAM BIZGA HAM SHU KASBNI TANLAGAN ERAKGA…
Wolfman
09-17-2006, 12:38 AM
xulosa qilib aytaman,
qizlarning ko'pchiligining erkak ginekologlarni yoqlab javob berishi tabiiy hol edi. chunki, odamning o'zga jinsga o'zini ko'rsatish (keragidan ortig'i - hayvoniy) ehtiyoji bor. bo'masam, ayol erkaklarga nisbatan yaxshiroq ginekolog-ku.
agar mana shunaqang savol erkaklarga berilganda - "ayol urolog bo'lishiga qanday qaraysiz" - degan, erkaklarning asosiy qismi ijobiy javob bersa ajablanmagan bo'lar edim.
wolf
MirzoBobur
09-17-2006, 12:57 AM
Palovni bu erga nima dahli bor!Albatta erkakalar yaxshi qiladi palovni !
Salom Kingdom, you're right there is not differents who prepare it, I am strongly disagree with gynecologist issue...but i am talking little bit about Plov which you mantioned abouv is that "Male makes plov better than famal"
I am not really sure who is the best... might be this word was told by females who was lazy, fro instance some time I cook better plov than my wife some time she...
So what makes plov delicious, I think it is our enjoyment
MirzoBobur
09-17-2006, 01:06 AM
SAlom Volf...
Volf achiq bo'lsada to'gri gapni aytibdi...bir qarasam Volfga 2 ta warning ham berilibdi...Aslida shunday bo'adi...IAK dan xafa ham bo'lmasa bo'ladi...
Hurmatli Modatorlar, bilmadim Volfga nima uchun warning berilganini-u lekin, warning berishdan oldin biroz shoshilmanglar, boshqa ham bir ikii bolalar atrib qolishdi, lekin men hali uchramadim-u, forumda senzura bor deyishmoqda...
Volf lekin siz aytgan holdagi savol qo'yilsa Erka Urvologni tanlagan bo'lardim...
HAmmaga hurmat bilan
xulosa qilib aytaman,
qizlarning ko'pchiligining erkak ginekologlarni yoqlab javob berishi tabiiy hol edi. chunki, odamning o'zga jinsga o'zini ko'rsatish (keragidan ortig'i - hayvoniy) ehtiyoji bor. bo'masam, ayol erkaklarga nisbatan yaxshiroq ginekolog-ku.
agar mana shunaqang savol erkaklarga berilganda - "ayol urolog bo'lishiga qanday qaraysiz" - degan, erkaklarning asosiy qismi ijobiy javob bersa ajablanmagan bo'lar edim.
wolf
Alouddin
09-17-2006, 01:18 AM
salam alaykum
ikki-uch kundan beri forumga kirishga vaqtim bo'lmayroq turgan edi. va bu thread'ga qaysidir bir post orqali kirdim (link qoldirishgan ekanda). kirdimu... ndaaah... aka-opala, ukala-singilla...
menimcha savol yaxshi qo'yilgan va javoblar ham (polldagi variantlar) o'rinli. lekin kimlardir "anundaqa bo'p qosachi", "mundo situatsiyaga tushib qolsangchi"... e, baraka topgur! ayoling homiladorligini bilar ekansan, ko'r bo'lmasang, oldindan tayyorgarlik ko'rib qo'y!!! shaxring, qishlog'ing tug'ruqxonasiga borib aynan ayol kishi doyalik qilishini oldindan uyushitrsa bo'ladiku!!! axir butuuuuuun boshli 9 oy vaqt borku "anundaqa situatsiyaga tushib qolishidan" oldin, a?
men qarshiman erkak (?) odam gynecologist bo'lishiga... i voobshe, bunaqa odamni erkakligi qolarmikin... ya'ni, har qanday oshpaz ham ovqat desa mukkasidan ketib tashamaydiku, to'g'rimi? ko'zi "to'yib" qolgan bo'ladi-ku...
o'rtoqlar, agarda bironta "Shariatga zid emas," yoxud "bu dinimizda taqiq emas" demoqchi bo'lsangiz o'sha dinni din, Shariatni Shariat qiladigan manbaalarga asoslanib va u yerdan iqtiboslar keltirib gapirsangizlar.
keyin yana bir narsa-da: bu yerda bironta erkakning odamning "men xotinimni boshqa erkak ginekolog oldiga olib bordim; opkirib ketdi; men tashqarida qoldim; o'zimni vopshim narmalni xis qilayapman/qilmayapman" degan shaxsiy tajribasi haqida gapirmaptida. shunaqala bormi o'rtamizda? modomiki shunday gap (thread) ochilgan ekan, shundo fikriylardi bildirvoriylar.
a tak men o'zim uylamangan va bu fikr menga o'ta jirkanchli tuyulyapti...
p/s Muxlis aka, "iye, a bunaqa erkak uje erkak emasku" degan option qo'shib qo'ymabsiz...
p/p/s a tak signaturim o'zimga xzr vopshim yoqib ketyapti :D
Wolfman
09-17-2006, 01:34 AM
qo'yavering, bu warninglar o'tmishdan qolgan.
mavzuga qaytsak, ayol urologga uchrashni hohlamaydigan erkaklar kamchilik bo'lsa-da topiladi. man ham bormagan bo'lar edim.
Wolf
SAlom Volf...
Volf achiq bo'lsada to'gri gapni aytibdi...bir qarasam Volfga 2 ta warning ham berilibdi...
Hurmatli Modatorlar, bilmadim Volfga nima uchun warning berilganini-u lekin, warning berishdan oldin biroz shoshilmanglar, boshqa ham bir ikii bolalar atrib qolishdi, lekin men hali uchramadim-u, forumda senzura bor deyishmoqda...
Volf lekin siz aytgan holdagi savol qo'yilsa Erka Urvologni tanlagan bo'lardim...
The Reaper
09-17-2006, 02:44 AM
Comlete bs, thats my view NAGATIVE with biig letters, in my eyes only a moron with no brains at all let alone any respect and dignity can take his wife to a male gynecologist.
what IS wrong with u guys, where is ur dignity. how can a man a muslim can take such a horrible disgusting action.
Bullsh*t, is what I call your raging insecurity combined with bigotry, and reasoning skills standing slightly above "0".
If a doctor is a professional who can cure my wife or give a sound healthy advice, I don't care. Dignity is not about letting your insecurities get in the way of objective thinking or your wife's well being. Dignity is about considering a bigger, more important picture, rather than your own pathetic, egocentric perception.
Yours truly, "moron with no brains".
TR
P.S. Reading this thread left me with a bitter taste of disgust at stupidity and utter hypocricy of some people here. What a bag of dicks some of you are.
NozChik
09-17-2006, 03:04 AM
IMHO. Prochetav etu temu podumala kakoe u nashih (NASTOYASHIH MUJIKOV) mentalitet, mirovozrenie s razmerom v "Spichechnie korobok" chto za tuposti napesali:x :twisted:
Tak dumaete nam lehko razdvigat nogi pered chujim mujikom eto vibor ne zanami za nas uje vibor sdelan i samie luchshie vrachi Eto Mujchini k sojaleniyu. Menya operiroval Mujchina i Doctora viberal Dadajon hotya toje nado bilo pokazivat telo, eslibi ne on nebilobi seychas Nozki sposibo emu bolshoe ;). Kogda u tebya chtoto bolit tebe ne do vibora doktora ti tolko dumaesh kak bi ugomonit bol a ne mujikli doktor ili baba. Elementarno kogda zub bolit ti prosto idyosh k professionalu a ne k Krasivoe jenshine ili Mujchine.:twisted:
The Reaper
09-17-2006, 03:18 AM
If you really care about her , why not find some female doctors? Before attack happens ? So whenever something wrong call her ask for help! There are enough female Doctors and they can take care of your wife
Wow!
Check out our Mr. Self-righteousness here. :rolleyes:
You know what? Whether you like it or not, best doctors, regardless of specialty, are generally men. That's a fact.
The guy can be a man, a queer, a transvestite, etc., but if he's a good doctor, that's all I care about.
I wonder what if someone made a critical decision based on doctor's sex, and then, God forbid, something went wrong?? I wonder how would anyone live with that afterwards? Knowing that you didn't take your WIFE to a much more qualified doctor, just because he was a man.
I guess you can pray your way out of it, right? Afterall, that's what Islam teaches you, doesn't it? :rolleyes:
WHO, in his right mind would give a f*ck about what religion says, when a person you love and care about, is sick, and a person who can help her the best is a male doctor??
Some people here need to seriously re-evaluate their thinking.
TR
Буратино
09-17-2006, 04:48 AM
Wow!
Check out our Mr. Self-righteousness here. :rolleyes:
You know what? Whether you like it or not, best doctors, regardless of specialty, are generally men. That's a fact.
The guy can be a man, a queer, a transvestite, etc., but if he's a good doctor, that's all I care about.
I wonder what if someone made a critical decision based on doctor's sex, and then, God forbid, something went wrong?? I wonder how would anyone live with that afterwards? Knowing that you didn't take your WIFE to a much more qualified doctor, just because he was a man.
I guess you can pray your way out of it, right? Afterall, that's what Islam teaches you, doesn't it? :rolleyes:
WHO, in his right mind would give a f*ck about what religion says, when a person you love and care about, is sick, and a person who can help her the best is a male doctor??
Some people here need to seriously re-evaluate their thinking.
TR
dude,you crack me up:)
nemets
09-17-2006, 05:05 AM
Анекдот на тему "возбуждает ли гинеколога женские половые органы".
Идёт суд над гинекологом за убийство молодой девушки. Судья спрашивает как мол и почему убил девушку вечером такого-то числа во столько-то часов в подъезде своего дома.
Гинеколог отвечает:
"Пришёл утром на работу и до обеда принял 20 пациенток. Потом срочный звонок из Минздрава. Нужно ехать срочно на швейную фабрику "Юлдуз" и осмотреть 500 ткачих и швей-мотористок. Не успев пообедать поехал туда, где пробыл до 6-ти вечера. Приехал в клинику и в 7 собрался было ехать домой, как вдруг приехали блатные со своими жёнами и я вынужден был их осмотреть. В 9 вечера прихожу голодный, уставший и злой домой, звоню в дверь, открывет жена и из порога даёт мне ведро с мусором. Подхожу к лифту, а он застрял. Спускаюсь с 9-го этажа вниз и где-то между 4-м и 3-м в почти в темноте останавливает меня молодая девушка и говорит- "слышь мужик, дай 3 рубля и я тебе покажу...." :)
UzLand
09-17-2006, 06:47 AM
Comlete bs, thats my view NAGATIVE with biig letters, in my eyes only a moron with no brains at all let alone any respect and dignity can take his wife to a male gynecologist.
Dude, don't generalize and ask your mom what kind of gyneacologist she went to.
How about if I say "in my eyes only a moron with no brains can come out of Samarkand"?
so, please, do not generalize...
Some Samarkandis are cool:)
UzLand
09-17-2006, 06:49 AM
Your comment makes no sense as far as things being prohibited in Islam... Where in Qur'an does it say that a women can not be seen by a male doctor... I feel people like people like to interpert Qur'an as convinient and therefore today there are tons of controversies...
Сейчас они тебе тут же и фатву сделают:)
Bahsli mavzu.Tanlash huquqi mavjudligida albatta ayol mutahassisni tanlayman, tanlaganman , bundan keyin ham shunday buladi. . Ug`lim tug'ilayotganida huddi shunday vaziyat bo`lgan, tug`ish jarayonida qatnashmoqchi bo`lib ishga yangi kelgan praktikant yigitni chiqib ketishini talab qilganman.Agar u tajribali mutahassis bulganida ham shunday yul tutgan bular edim.Nomus kuchlilik qilganida dard ham unutilib, og'riqlar yoqolib qolar ekan...
Tak chto ko'p gapirmela:)
Amiri Turkiston
09-17-2006, 01:42 PM
Bahsli mavzu.Tanlash huquqi mavjudligida albatta ayol mutahassisni tanlayman, tanlaganman , bundan keyin ham shunday buladi. . Ug`lim tug'ilayotganida huddi shunday vaziyat bo`lgan, tug`ish jarayonida qatnashmoqchi bo`lib ishga yangi kelgan praktikant yigitni chiqib ketishini talab qilganman.Agar u tajribali mutahassis bulganida ham shunday yul tutgan bular edim.Nomus kuchlilik qilganida dard ham unutilib, og'riqlar yoqolib qolar ekan...
Tak chto ko'p gapirmela:)
qoyil lekin :P
haqiqiy matonatli, iymonli va aqilliy o'zbek ayolining gapini gapirdiz ...
10 ta tnx berardim lekin
SAMARKANDI!
09-17-2006, 02:12 PM
Dude, don't generalize and ask your mom what kind of gyneacologist she went to.
How about if I say "in my eyes only a moron with no brains can come out of Samarkand"?
so, please, do not generalize...
Some Samarkandis are cool:)
First of all, never ever include my mom or any of my close ones into the dicussion.
Second, according to your words i assume that YOUR mom went to a male gynicologist and to the disgrace of your father showed her genitals to a another male.
Third, little advice take your wife to a male gynecologist as well, may be she would feel better with male hands.
Fourth, uzbekchasiga qilib etganda gap egasini topadi deganlar, shunde qilib you understood that you r the one.
p.s. this is nothing to do with whether i am from samarkand or uzbekistan or uzbek.
Wish u new brain.
SAMARKANDI!
09-17-2006, 02:36 PM
Bullsh*t, is what I call your raging insecurity combined with bigotry, and reasoning skills standing slightly above "0".
If a doctor is a professional who can cure my wife or give a sound healthy advice, I don't care. Dignity is not about letting your insecurities get in the way of objective thinking or your wife's well being. Dignity is about considering a bigger, more important picture, rather than your own pathetic, egocentric perception.
Yours truly, "moron with no brains".
TR
P.S. Reading this thread left me with a bitter taste of disgust at stupidity and utter hypocricy of some people here. What a bag of dicks some of you are.
Thanx for admiting at least,
Everything is clear with you, no need for further argument. I dont call, people like you, a man.
With illuminating wishes:lol:
p.s. also find male nurses to help your male gynecologist, just for better sense of security, and may be invite other male doctors to watch through the window, just in case, who knows right??
p.p.s. and dude, if u want to show that u have good english, u dont have to use words that dont have anything to do with the context of ur ignominical sentences already.
The Reaper
09-17-2006, 02:39 PM
First of all, never ever include my mom or any of my close ones into the dicussion.
Second, according to your words i assume that YOUR mom went to a male gynicologist and to the disgrace of your father showed her genitals to a another male.
Third, little advice take your wife to a male gynecologist as well, may be she would feel better with male hands.
Fourth, uzbekchasiga qilib etganda gap egasini topadi deganlar, shunde qilib you understood that you r the one.
p.s. this is nothing to do with whether i am from samarkand or uzbekistan or uzbek.
Wish u new brain.
http://www.ebaumsworld.com/forumfun/negative5.jpg
TR
SAMARKANDI!
09-17-2006, 02:41 PM
http://www.ebaumsworld.com/forumfun/negative5.jpg
TR
is this u?? what a kid lol. Dude seriously u r pathetic
p.s. by the way, mr moron, u chose the wrong post:)
The Reaper
09-17-2006, 02:46 PM
Thanx for admiting at least,
Everything is clear with you, no need for further argument. I dont call, people like you, a man.
Of course you don't, honey.
With illuminating wishes:lol:
Whatever that means. Is it me, or is there some gay vibe coming from you? :?
p.s. also find male nurses to help your male gynecologist, just for better sense of security, and may be invite other male doctors to watch through the window, just in case, who knows right??
Okay, your engrish is ekselent.
p.p.s. and dude, if u want to show that u have good english, u dont have to use words that dont have anything to do with the context of ur ignominical sentences already.
Ignominical? Wow, let me grab my pen and write down the definition! :rolleyes:
TR
UzbekGirlie
09-17-2006, 04:03 PM
Thanx for admiting at least,
Everything is clear with you, no need for further argument. I dont call, people like you, a man.
With illuminating wishes:lol:
p.s. also find male nurses to help your male gynecologist, just for better sense of security, and may be invite other male doctors to watch through the window, just in case, who knows right??
p.p.s. and dude, if u want to show that u have good english, u dont have to use words that dont have anything to do with the context of ur ignominical sentences already.
This is a backward mentality... At the end of the day doctors do not have a gender... They are doctors... Plus to them this is a job and not some orgy as you are thinking it is... Furthermore, I think only an insecure man will have a problems with taking his wife to a male doctor...:D
SAMARKANDI!
09-17-2006, 04:16 PM
This is a backward mentality... At the end of the day doctors do not have a gender... They are doctors... Plus to them this is a job and not some orgy as you are thinking it is... Furthermore, I think only an insecure man will have a problems with taking his wife to a male doctor...:D
At the same end of the day doctors are humans. Thank you for your opinion it is very helpful:)
p.s. i think u will never understand "that" but hey who knows:)
UzbekGirlie
09-17-2006, 04:21 PM
At the same end of the day doctors are humans. Thank you for your opinion it is very helpful:)
p.s. i think u will never understand "that" but hey who knows:)
I have 3 siblings who are studying to be doctors and the oath they took is do no harm- regardless of what you think doctors are there to help, to save lives... They are not humans, they dont have gender - they are doctors first... And may be that is something u will never understand..
SAMARKANDI!
09-17-2006, 04:33 PM
I have 3 siblings who are studying to be doctors and the oath they took is do no harm- regardless of what you think doctors there are to help... They are not humans, they dont have gender - they are doctor first... And may be that is something u will never understand..
good for them:) we agree to disagree. u dont understand i dont understand. u r not a man i am not a woman. u r not taking ur wife to a doctor, i am not going to give a birth:) Best thing to do is to Study Islam to understand each other, what do u say?
UzbekGirlie
09-17-2006, 04:35 PM
good for them:) we agree to disagree. u dont understand i dont understand. u r not a man i am not a woman. u r not taking ur wife to a doctor, i am not going to give a birth:) Best thing to do is to Study Islam to understand each other, what do u say?
I studied Islam in college- my major was Islamic studies and no where in Qur'an i remember it saying do not take your wife to a male doctor... I think most man interpert Qur'an as convinient and that is what I learned...
SAMARKANDI!
09-17-2006, 04:43 PM
I studied Islam in college- my major was Islamic studies and no where in Qur'an i remember it saying do not take your wife to a male doctor... I think most man interpert Qur'an as convinient and that is what I learned...
Aaah, you know i can bring u so much evidence from quran that it is bad to do so, that it would take u quite a while to finish. BELIEVE ME.
Here, why do you think in islam women cover up??? why do you think there mahram and non mahram things, why do you think islam says men and women should be separated, why do you think what u think about islam is enough knowledge to claim that what u said is valid proof to do so???
Dear sister, believe me, and pls at least do a little research on that.
p.s. Quran is not only what u see in letters u have to think beyond that. it is the way of life, u have to understand the application of it in all aspects of human life.
UzbekGirlie
09-17-2006, 05:12 PM
Aaah, you know i can bring u so much evidence from quran that it is bad to do so, that it would take u quite a while to finish. BELIEVE ME.
Here, why do you think in islam women cover up??? why do you think there mahram and non mahram things, why do you think islam says men and women should be separated, why do you think what u think about islam is enough knowledge to claim that what u said is valid proof to do so???
Dear sister, believe me, and pls at least do a little research on that.
p.s. Quran is not only what u see in letters u have to think beyond that. it is the way of life, u have to understand the application of it in all aspects of human life.
Quran is very clear about the dress code for woman. [7:26] "O children of Adam, we have provided you with garments to cover your bodies, as well as for luxury. But the best garment is the garment of righteousness. These are some of GOD's signs, that they may take heed." This is the BASIC rule of DRESS CODE in the Quran. This is the first rule in WOMEN DRESS CODE in Islam. The second rule can be found in 24:31. Here God orders the women to cover their bosoms whenever they dress up. But before quoting 24:31 let me review some crucial words that are always mentioned with this topic, namely "Hijab" . "Hijab" is the term used by many Muslims women to describe their head cover that may or may not include covering their face except their eyes, and sometimes covering also one eye. The Arabic word "Hijab" can be translated into veil or yashmak. Other meanings for the word "Hijab" include, screen, cover(ing), mantle, curtain, drapes, partition, division, divider. Can we find the word "Hijab" in the Quran?? The word "Hijab" appeared in the Quran 7 times, five of them as "Hijab" and two times as "Hijaban," these are 7:46, 33:53, 38:32, 41:5, 42:51, 17:45 & 19:17. None of these "Hijab" words are used in the Quran in reference to what the traditional Muslims call today (Hijab) as a dress code for the Muslim woman. Who knew that generations after Muhammed's death the Muslims decided to use the word "Hijab" to invent a dress code that He never authorized. God used the word "Hijab" ahead of them just as He used the word "Hadith" ahead of them. Hijab in the Quran has nothing to do with the Muslim Women dress code. In 24:31 God is asking the women to use their cover (khimar)( being a dress, a coat, a shawl, a shirt, a blouse, a tie, a scarf . . . etc.) to cover their bosoms, not their heads or their hairs. If God so willed to order the women to cover their heads or their hair, nothing would have prevented Him from doing so. GOD does not run out of words. GOD does not forget. God did not order the women to cover their heads or their hair.
And if God did not want us to see a male doctor he would have said so… So stop claiming that this is done in the name of Islam and look into deeper insecurities you have...
SAMARKANDI!
09-17-2006, 05:51 PM
Quran is very clear about the dress code for woman. [7:26] "O children of Adam, we have provided you with garments to cover your bodies, as well as for luxury. But the best garment is the garment of righteousness. These are some of GOD's signs, that they may take heed." This is the BASIC rule of DRESS CODE in the Quran. This is the first rule in WOMEN DRESS CODE in Islam. The second rule can be found in 24:31. Here God orders the women to cover their bosoms whenever they dress up. But before quoting 24:31 let me review some crucial words that are always mentioned with this topic, namely "Hijab" . "Hijab" is the term used by many Muslims women to describe their head cover that may or may not include covering their face except their eyes, and sometimes covering also one eye. The Arabic word "Hijab" can be translated into veil or yashmak. Other meanings for the word "Hijab" include, screen, cover(ing), mantle, curtain, drapes, partition, division, divider. Can we find the word "Hijab" in the Quran?? The word "Hijab" appeared in the Quran 7 times, five of them as "Hijab" and two times as "Hijaban," these are 7:46, 33:53, 38:32, 41:5, 42:51, 17:45 & 19:17. None of these "Hijab" words are used in the Quran in reference to what the traditional Muslims call today (Hijab) as a dress code for the Muslim woman. Who knew that generations after Muhammed's death the Muslims decided to use the word "Hijab" to invent a dress code that He never authorized. God used the word "Hijab" ahead of them just as He used the word "Hadith" ahead of them. Hijab in the Quran has nothing to do with the Muslim Women dress code. In 24:31 God is asking the women to use their cover (khimar)( being a dress, a coat, a shawl, a shirt, a blouse, a tie, a scarf . . . etc.) to cover their bosoms, not their heads or their hairs. If God so willed to order the women to cover their heads or their hair, nothing would have prevented Him from doing so. GOD does not run out of words. GOD does not forget. God did not order the women to cover their heads or their hair.
And if God did not want us to see a male doctor he would have said so… So stop claiming that this is done in the name of Islam and look into deeper insecurities you have...
Wow, i cant do what is impossible, it is becoming ridiculous that u cant get it. this will be my last post to you. MAHRAM, go and check who r mahrams for women and girls, and who are nonmahram then think can a doctor be nonmahram, if he is in that group of nonmahrams, may be u should think one more time.
SAMARKANDI!
09-17-2006, 06:05 PM
damn...arent' you people tried of discussing this? this is a matter of personal choice that's it!:)
r u tired too:) well this is the matter of may be justification of personal choice?
UzLand
09-17-2006, 06:42 PM
First of all, never ever include my mom or any of my close ones into the dicussion.
Second, according to your words i assume that YOUR mom went to a male gynicologist and to the disgrace of your father showed her genitals to a another male.
Third, little advice take your wife to a male gynecologist as well, may be she would feel better with male hands.
Fourth, uzbekchasiga qilib etganda gap egasini topadi deganlar, shunde qilib you understood that you r the one.
p.s. this is nothing to do with whether i am from samarkand or uzbekistan or uzbek.
Wish u new brain.
Aren't you smart?:)
Now I really think someone in your family had a bad gynecological experience. Otherwise a moron like you wouldn't have been born. What a disgrace for the people of Samarkand. "Подада..." деганларидай:) Или " в семье не без..." деганларидай.
SAMARKANDI!
09-17-2006, 07:15 PM
Aren't you smart?:)
Now I really think someone in your family had a bad gynecological experience. Otherwise a moron like you wouldn't have been born. What a disgrace for the people of Samarkand. "Подада..." деганларидай:) Или " в семье не без..." деганларидай.
This is all u can do? switch to personal issues. Good job, i will let u think it over and understand who u really r.
p.s. i told u before do not include close ones into this. If u want to get so personal pm me we will talk about your mom. kuchuk
UzLand
09-17-2006, 08:27 PM
This is all u can do? switch to personal issues. Good job, i will let u think it over and understand who u really r.
p.s. i told u before do not include close ones into this. If u want to get so personal pm me we will talk about your mom. kuchuk
Роды были тяжелыми, понимаю...тяжело быть 6-месячно рожденным...А "кучук" - это твоя подпись что ли?
UzbekGirlie
09-17-2006, 08:51 PM
Wow, i cant do what is impossible, it is becoming ridiculous that u cant get it. this will be my last post to you. MAHRAM, go and check who r mahrams for women and girls, and who are nonmahram then think can a doctor be nonmahram, if he is in that group of nonmahrams, may be u should think one more time.
Before replying to my post read it... As far whats mahram and no mahram- again open to interpertation... Stop hiding behind Islam.. People like you always need something to hide behind...
Iqbol
09-17-2006, 09:23 PM
I have 3 siblings who are studying to be doctors and the oath they took is do no harm- regardless of what you think doctors are there to help, to save lives... They are not humans, they dont have gender - they are doctors first... And may be that is something u will never understand..
In general, there is less and less doctors who respect their oath. Personally, I had to suffer beacuse of a doctor, recently.
In Uzbekistan, the only oath to be respected for doctors is the money in most of the time.
And forget about the absence of gender among doctors. If this was the case, the doctos would be genderless, the lawyers would always defend the just cause, the journalists would always write the truth, presidents would forget about their ego, and so on...
Iqbol
09-17-2006, 09:25 PM
As long as there is no consensus among our society on the main issue - the Faith, these kind of discussions are simply useless and absurd.
Tokugawa
09-17-2006, 09:52 PM
Мдааа. Люди добрые, прекратите тратить энергию на глупые дискуссии. Может я отнёсся к этому топику с предвзятым мнением (из-за МУХЛИСа), но честно говоря не понимаю к какому логическому заключению вообще это приведёт.
Уже оставлено сообщений аж на 12 страниц, открыв первую я сразу перепрыгнул на 11-ю затем на 12-ю и заметил что уже участники отдалились от первоначального вопроса и обливают гразью друг друга (типично по-Узбекски).
Касательно темы, могу сказать следующее:
Во-первых, я соизволил подумать что за вопросом кроется другой вопрос - "Гинекологи злоупотребляют свою работу или нет?".
Ответ: Это зависит от человека.
Во-вторых, по воле судьбы оказалось так что мой отец врач-хирург и часто участвует в тяжёлых гинекологических операциях, когда речь идёт о смерти и жизни как матери так и ребёнка. Слава Аллаху в большинстве случаев отец проводит операции успешно.
В-третьих, если верующему человеку понадобился исчепывающий ответ, то пожалуйста обратитесь к источникам Ислама.
MirzoBobur
09-17-2006, 09:55 PM
Bahsli mavzu.Tanlash huquqi mavjudligida albatta ayol mutahassisni tanlayman, tanlaganman , bundan keyin ham shunday buladi. . Ug`lim tug'ilayotganida huddi shunday vaziyat bo`lgan, tug`ish jarayonida qatnashmoqchi bo`lib ishga yangi kelgan praktikant yigitni chiqib ketishini talab qilganman.Agar u tajribali mutahassis bulganida ham shunday yul tutgan bular edim.Nomus kuchlilik qilganida dard ham unutilib, og'riqlar yoqolib qolar ekan...
Tak chto ko'p gapirmela:)
Shunday Uzbek Ayollarimiz va Singillarimiz borligi uchun ram biz baxtlimiz...
Jonim fido bo'lsin har bir shunday iymonlik, matonatlik, vafolik UzbekOyimlar uchun
MUHLIS
09-17-2006, 10:54 PM
Tokugawa,
Уже оставлено сообщений аж на 12 страниц, открыв первую я сразу перепрыгнул на 11-ю затем на 12-ю и заметил что уже участники отдалились от первоначального вопроса и обливают гразью друг друга (типично по-Узбекски).
Debsizku, lekin o'zingiz ham "hissangizni qo'shib qo'yibsiz-da:
Мдааа. Люди добрые, прекратите тратить энергию на глупые дискуссии. Может я отнёсся к этому топику с предвзятым мнением (из-за МУХЛИСа)...
Yoqmasa, qiziqtirmasa, a tem bolee bu masalani ko'targan odamga past nazar bilan qarasangiz kirib nima qilasiz o'qib nima qilasiz bu mavzuni, mister hammadan aqlli???
Sizdan hech kim "Ooo donishmand Tokugawa, bu mavzuning mantiqiy yakuni qanday bo'ladi deb so'ragani yo'q, faqatdigna "Ginekolok erkaklar haqidagi shaxsiy fikringiz" so'ralgan holos!
Во-первых, я соизволил подумать что за вопросом кроется другой вопрос - "Гинекологи злоупотребляют свою работу или нет?".
Ответ: Это зависит от человека.
Bu narsa haqida o'zingiz mavzu ochib o'zingiz bahs yuritavering. Men "erkak kishi uchun ginekolog munosib kasbmi?" qabilidagi mavzuni ochganman.
Во-вторых, по воле судьбы оказалось так что мой отец врач-хирург и часто участвует в тяжёлых гинекологических операциях, когда речь идёт о смерти и жизни как матери так и ребёнка. Слава Аллаху в большинстве случаев отец проводит операции успешно.
Siz mavzuni haddan ziyod yuragingizga yaqin olib yuborganga o'xshaysiz. Boshidan o'qib chiqish kerak edi, meni singlim va jiyanimning hayotini saqlab qolgan erkak vrach (ginekolog emasdi, balki jarroh edi) ekanini yozganman.
O'zizcha hammani ustidan hukm chiqarub yuboribsiz tipichno po Uzbekski boshqa deb, mavzuni ham "glupiy" deb yuboribsiz, agar shu mavzu odamlarni bevosita qiziqtirmaganida shuncha fikrlar bildirilmagan bo'lar edi, shunday qiziqarli munozaralar ketmagan bo'lar edi. Siz hammani ustidan istehzo bilan hukm o'qigandan ko'ra o'zingizni biling. O'zingiz gapirgan gaplarga o'zingiz amal qiling, janob hammadan aqlli! Yaponlar maqtayverib juda taltaytirib yuborishibdi shekilli sizni!
MUHLIS
09-17-2006, 10:58 PM
Bildirilgan hamma fikrlar uchun barcha forumchilarga katta rahmat.
Bu mavzu hech kimning shaxsiy fikrini o'zgartirish yoki boshqalarni shaxsiy tanlovlarnini yomonlash uchun ochilmagan balki hammaning shaxsiy fikrini o'rganish uchun ochilgan.
Rahmat!
Tokugawa
09-17-2006, 11:12 PM
MUHLIS,
Siz bilan olishishga vaqtim ham istagim ham yo'q.
Yaponlar maqtayverib juda taltaytirib yuborishibdi shekilli sizni!
Ha shunaqa bo'ldi. O'zi skronmiy bola edim, lekin shu yerga kelib tilim uzun bo'lib ketti.
elDoraDo
09-17-2006, 11:20 PM