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[Pathfinder]

Hi Lucky
I have read few of your adds, I have to disappoint you,
Islam is not that perfect at all.
Follow the link to find out what you believe in so
strongly is all about: http://www.chick.com/information/religions/islam/
I don't know if you read the bible but John 14:6 my verse for you.
It's good that you're god fearing but are you referring to the right God?
Cheers
Pathfinder

[Lucky]

AO,;)
Hello, hehee,
You are Welcome pathfinder:), Sorry to say I've just found my path and not wiling to change it;) I got 2 bibles in my closet. What version are you talking about? I'm sorry it seems I got 3 types of Bibles one is one my table:) Who told you that I am a Muslim? Have you opened my heart and seen it? And it is not good thing to argue about whose best, mine is the best, your is the worst. If that is the case there won't be any discussion."The Religion before Allah is Islam (submission to His Will): Nor did the People of the Book dissent therefrom except through envy of each other, after knowledge had come to them. But if any deny the Signs of Allah, Allah is swift in calling to account."(Quran 3:19) No other religion will be accepted by The God except islam. How do you like being like this that is willing no compromise? It won't take us anywhere. I understand you if You say Christianity is the best way, because there won't be any objection by me, 'cause that's what you think. But I can't accept the statement Islam is not the best, christianity is the best. After all its kinda saying "my girlfriend is better than yours, if you do not believe try yourself:)"

[Lucky]

LoL, the site that you gave 100% contradicts what the nonmuslim historians say about islam and its origins, another antiislamic and anitiintellectual site. By the way crescent moon is not islamic sign at all, it was adopted by Ottoman Turks as a sign of Fortune when they took over Constantinople(Istanbul). The formation of Islam stopped the time Muhammad died according to the muslims (at least majority, that's ahle sunna wal jamaat) and the western orientalists.Cheers;)

[SUN6500]

Nu vot,eshe odin religiozniy fanat vishel :(

[aristokrat]

Hi Pathfinder !

That article is a total bolshit. Because there is no logic in there. At times before Islam arabs worshiped everything possible- from the peace of food to the beings called jinns. So, it would not be a big difference between a new religion & an old pagan one if somebody just itroduced "a new god". And of cause, arabs would not be so against it. If Islam had had a pagan origin, then it should be possible to find at least one reference to it in they books or behaviour. In that artilce they mentioned none of them. As for Kabbah, it has a long history which goes back to at least to the times of phrophet Ibrohim(be peace upon him) and has nothing to do with pagans. If you wanna prove that someone is woshiping cresent moon, then you cann't use the only argument of his act being somehow like that of pagans. I can find many of your acts which are like those of pagans. (e.g. you can eat, drink, laugh and so on as pagans do). But it's not the reason for me to conclude you are a pagan, of cause. You have to find a stronger argument to prove that they have woshiped moon. If you can, of cause. (As for the word worship itself, the worship is defined as the furthest degree of fear and obidience, i.e. if the thing you are fear most is the moon, then it might be conluded that you are woshiper of the moon). But of cause, you are not able to do it at all. By the way, you have cited some verses of Bible. Why don't you choose Qur'an instead of Bible? You think Bible is better than Qur'an, don't you? Then, tell me, why don't you prove it? If you think it's too difficult, try to find anything(not necessary Bible) better than Qur'an. If it seems for you to be too difficult, than try to bring anything better than any Sura from Qur'an. (for your information, the smallest Sura consits of just three small sentnetces and you can write that whole Sura just in one line).
If you think you can do it, than tell all the people in the past, who fought against Islam, that they were extremely stupid. They spent all their money, life, girls... everything to fight against Islam. But why??? Couldn't they write just a few lines, which are better than those three sentences from Qur'an, rather than fighting against muslims in a batlefield, thus loosing their so beloved lives ???
So, think a bit more before typing something, Pathfinder.

[Kroka W. Bush]

Being not a great expert in Islam I still saw that the article is written by a person who does not know Quran and doesn't know what he/she is talking about.

It says:
The mistake was based on the erroneous assumption that the earth was flat. The authors of the Qur'an did not know that the earth was a sphere which revolved around the sun.


As far as I remember there is a surah in Qur'an that says that the earth was created in the shape of an egg. Does anyone know the exact quotation - I am pretty sure it's there - but I can't remember where that was.

Another thing:

>He [i.e. Zul-qarnain] followed, until he reached the setting of the sun. He found it set in a spring of murky water.

Doesn't author have any imagination? I think the author does not fully understand that it Qur'an has been written in very figurative language. So the sunset in murky water can mean as well as setting in the ocean...

Anyways - I am not a great expert in religion - but I think scientific islam sites may give answers to the people who wrote the article.

Peave

[Kroka W. Bush]

LOL What an idiots that run this site:

http://www.chick.com/information/religions/islam/quran.asp

LOL @ Some Muslims have claimed that 7th century copies of the original Qur'an have been found in museums at Topkapi, Turkey and Tashkent, Russia. But when they were examined by manuscript scholars, they turned out to be 9th or 10th century manuscripts.

TASHKENT RUSSIA :) WOHAHAHAHA IDIOTS :)

[Pathfinder]

Hi Lucky
Let me answer your questions one by one.
As to: 'Sorry to say I've just found my path and not willing to change it' - what is your path?
As to: 'I got 2 bibles in my closet. What version are you talking about? I'm sorry it seems I got 3 types of Bibles one is one my table'
You may want to read King James Version.
As to: 'Who told you that I am a Muslim? Have you opened my heart and seen it?' - Have i called you a muslim yet? I don't know if you're muslim or what but you said that you've found some path...i don't know what you're talking about may be you could state yourself more clearly.
As to: 'And it is not good thing to argue about whose best, mine is the best, your is the worst. If that is the case there won't be any discussion."The Religion before Allah is Islam (submission to His Will): Nor did the People of the Book dissent therefrom except through envy of each other, after knowledge had come to them. But if any deny the Signs of Allah, Allah is swift in calling to account."(Quran 3:19) No other religion will be accepted by The God except islam. How do you like being like this that is willing no compromise?'
Browse that site i gave you http://www.chick.com/reading/tracts/0042/0042_01.asp would be a good track for you and note what Lord Jesus said 'I am the way the truth and the life: no man comes unto the Father but by me'
As to: 'I understand you if You say Christianity is the best way, because there won't be any objection by me, 'cause that's what you think. But I can't accept the statement Islam is not the best, christianity is the best. After all its kinda saying "my girlfriend is better than yours, if you do not believe try yourself"'
I wasn't saying mine is best yours is just okay, i am quoting Jesus who said that he's the only true way. To me true faith in Jesus is FAITH IN GOD.
As to someone's reference to Tashkent-Russia stuff, that site was created long before USSR broke up.
May Lord reveal His love to you guys.
Bye
Pathfinder

[Lucky]

"And after that He spread the earth" (Quran 79:30)the word in Arabic beeing translated here to "spread" has another meaning in the Arabic language and that is "Egg shaped" Allah only Knows ! The actual word in Arabic is pronounced as "dahaha".Amazingly the Holy Quran in chapter 31, verse 29 says, "Have you not seen how God merges the night into the day and merges the day into the night." The use of the word merges emphasizes a slow gradual change,and this is not possible if the earth is flat.The Holy Quraan in chapter 78, verse 6-7 gives us an indication of the very same phenomenon as it says, "Have we not made the earth an expanse and the mountains stakes". Here the word "stakes" is synonymous with the word pegs as in holding the earth in place. Further the first part of this verse shows us that the earth is not flat for it is an expanse ..... meaning that you can walk and walk without falling off.The former idea is clarified in chapter 21, verse 31....."We placed the ground (mountains) standing firm so that it does not shake with them". Here we are told that mountains allow for the maintenance of the earths stability by preventing the earth's shape to change in such a way so as to cause it to move out of its orbit.Based on Quran Sheikhul islam Imam Taymiya (rahimallah alayh)in the 14 th century stated that (the meaning)the earth was in a spheric shape neither side is considered the top of the earth, each side could be looked as top and bottom, and as any other spheric body the earth has a markaz (center). "Kroka is that what you meant?" I suggest you to visit:
http://www.islam101.com/science/bucaille.html
http://www.islam101.com/science/bucaille.html
http://www.it-is-truth.org

[Lucky]

Do not forget to visit http://www.beconvinced.com
Cheers;)

[Kroka W. Bush]

Exactly ! :) thanks for enlightening us - I remember reading about it - but forgot. :)
I will check these sites out, thank you.
To our Christian friend, will all due respect - I would not bring up some american propaganda sites in the future that still consider Tashkent to be part of Russia (that really ticked me off)

[aristokrat]

to Pathfinder.

You said:" As to someone's reference to Tashkent-Russia stuff, that site was created long before USSR broke up."
Do you mean, Internet had existed long before 1991, when USSR broke up???? (I mean Internet like in present state, with almost free access to everyone & lots of sites). Of course, there were staffs like e-mail and so on. But websites - it's too much.

[Kroka]

Didn't the Qur'an mentioned in the article was returned to Uzbekistan after independence?

[Lucky]

To Pathfinder and the likes:
Bismillahir Rohmanir Rohiym

"Qul ya ayyuhal kafirun.Laa a'budu maa ta'budun. Waa laa antum abiduna maa a'bud.Waa laa ana abidum maa abadtum.Waa laa antum abiduna maa a'bud. Lakum diynakum wa liya diyn.(Quran 109:001-006)

In the name of Allah, the Compassionate, the Merciful

"Say(Ey Muhammad) : O ye that reject Faith!.I worship not that which ye worship.Nor will ye worship that which I worship.And I will not worship that which ye worship.Nor will ye worship that which I worship.Unto you your religion, and unto me my religion.(Quran 109:001-006)

Mazmuni: Mehribon wa rahimlik Alloh nomi bilan boshlayman.
" Ayt! (ey Muhammad) Ey kofirlar! Men Sizlar Ibodat Qilgan narsalarga ibodat qilmayman (deb). Wa sizlar ham men ibodat qilayaotgan(Allohg)ga ibodat qiluvchi emassizlar. Wa men sizlarning ma'budlaringizga sig'unuvchi emasman. Sizlar ham mening ma'budimga sig'unuvchi emassizlar. Sizlarning o'z diningiz bor, mening ham o'z dinim bor." (Quran 109:001-006)