Ko'pxotinlik/Poligamy - nima fikrdasiz?

[MUHLIS]

Oxirgi vaqtlarda O'zbekistonda ko'pxotinlikning o'sayotgani hech kimga sir emas. Shu bilan birgalikda oila baxtidan umidini uzgan, yolg'iz ayollar ham oz emas.
Ko'pxotinlikning asosan Ijtimoiy, Iqtisodiy, va Diniy/Madaniy iltizlari borligi shubhasiz.
Ijtimoiy ildizlaridan biri shuki har bitta ayolga bittadan erkak statistik nuqtai nazardan to'g'ri kelmasligi mumkin, ko'p hollarda axolining jins balansida ayollar ko'proq foizga ega bo'ladilar.
Iqtisodiy ildizlaridan biri shuki, ba'zi ayollar ikkinchi xotin bo'lishni istamasalar ham moliyaviy jihatdan nochor bo'lganlari tufayli bu holga rozi bo'ladilar.
Diniy/madaniy ildizlaridan biri shuki Islom dinida bir vaqtning o'zida 4tagacha xotin olishga ba'zi shartlar bilan ijozat berilgan. Lekin shuni ham eslatib o'tish kerakki, dinni ro'kach qilib bir necha xotinga uylangan erkaklar dinning aynan o'zlariga dahldor boshqa shartlariga kelganda (masalan, aroq ichmaslik) birdaniga "progressiv" roliga kirishadi.
Sizning shahsiy fikringiz qanday? Siz bittadan ortiq xotin olarmidingiz yoki ikkinchi/uchinchi/to'rtinchi xotin bo'la olarmidingiz?

[Mirzabek]

Diniy jihattan man roziman 2 yoki 3 xotin olishga...
vaqti bilan erkak kishi boshqa ayol xohlidi...

a tak 1 ayolga hech narsa yetmidi...
boshimdan o`tmagan fikrim shu...

omadla

[lobar]

Diniy jihattan man roziman 2 yoki 3 xotin olishga...
vaqti bilan erkak kishi boshqa ayol xohlidi...

a tak 1 ayolga hech narsa yetmidi...
boshimdan o`tmagan fikrim shu...

omadla

Hmm, hamma erkeyla shuni hohlasa kerak o'zi :rolleyes:
Diniy jihatdan bo'lsa, 1-ayolizdan ruhsat olishiyz kerey yana hotinlik bo'lish uchun, ruhsat ololarmikinsiz :rolleyes:
Ayol kishi muhabbatini 3-4taga bo'lishni istamasa kerak, erkaklarga o'hshab. Er berish jon berish, diyishadiyuu

[Mirzabek]

Lobarhon tog`ri aytasiz.
Bu ish dinda aytilgandey 1 xotinni ruxsati bilan bo`lish kerek...


omadla

[StU]

how typical - all men are for IT, women - against...:lol:

The problem is, today's male are rarely capable of marrying even a ONE woman. And those who are, they don't marry, just let themselves have another inofficial one.

[lobar]

Hozir Uzbda puli ko'plar 2,3-hotinmas, o'ynashli bo'lsihni odat qivolishgan. O'ynash deganini qog'ozga o'ravolish uchun imi-jimida, yashirin nikohdan o'tvolishadi, agar o'ynashi o'zbek bo'lsa, boshqa millat vakili bo'sa, buni ahmiyati yo'q.
Puling bormi o'ynashing ham bo'lishi kerey, dib o'ylashadi ba'zi erkeyla.
Yana buni ba'zi ayollar ham yoqlashadi, ikkala tomonni eplab qo'ysa bo'ldiyu dib. O'zlarini esa u hotinlarni o'rnida qo'yib ko'rishni hayol ham qilishmaydi.. hudo ko'rsatmasin....

[Mirzabek]

Olloh bu ishlarni bizga ko`rsatmasin Lobarhon....

omadla

[Vector]

Qizlaga savolde: masalan eringiz yahshi, boy, oziga toq bolsade, bir kun kelib sizga ikkinchi hotin olish ideyasini tashlasa, nima reakciya boladi? erizni qizgonasmi? tushungan hotin bolsangiz manimcha qarshilik qilmases kere.
lichno man ikkinchi hotin olmiman, lekin qarshiligim yoq bunga, 'kop hotinlik' bir kun kelib kop problemalani hal qiladi, qizla borgan sari kopayvatti, predlojenie uje sprosdan kottalashvatti, hozir uje qizlani oilasi bollaga taklif qilib gap kesatishadigan bolib qolishgan :rolleyes:
endi masalan uje uylangan erkak kishi shu qizlani korib, unga achinib yoki kimladur iltimos qilishi mumkin, har hil holatla bolishi mumkin, ikkinchi hotinlikka olishi mumkinku qurbi yetsa...
ikkinchi hotin olish albatta maslahat bilan boladi, er hotinni noroziligisiz, hafagarchilik bilan bomidigan narsa, islomiy tarafdan bunga oziga yarasha talablari bor...
qisqasi, i'm for it ;)

[infolife]

Lobarhon tog`ri aytasiz.
Bu ish dinda aytilgandey 1 xotinni ruxsati bilan bo`lish kerek...


omadla

Kechirasiz, lekin dinda 1 hotinni ruhsatini olsin degan joyi yo;q :)

Surah 4. Women.
Verse 2-3.

2. To orphans restore their property (When they reach their age), nor substitute (your) worthless things for (their) good ones; and devour not their substance (by mixing it up) with your own. For this is indeed a great sin. 3. If ye fear that ye shall not be able to deal justly with the orphans, Marry women of your choice, Two or three or four; but if ye fear that ye shall not be able to deal justly (with them), then only one, or (a captive) that your right hands possess, that will be more suitable, to prevent you from doing injustice.

Korib turganizday, Islom dini tomonidan qo'yilgan bittayu bitta shart bu hotinlarga adolat va teng huquqlilik bilan muomala qilish. Quronda ham Hadisda ham birinchi hotinni ruhsatini olsin degan joyi yo'q. Agar shunaqa bo'ganda ko'p musulmonlar o'tmishda 2-3tadan uylanib ololmagan bo'larmidi.
Ammo hozirgi ayollar ishiga puhta chiqib, marriage contractda boshqa uylanmaslik shartini qayd qilib qo'yishmoqda. Lekin din 1 hotin ruhsatini olishlikka buyurmagan.

[inDecision]

Odamla, Sila dinni quyaturib, shundo objective fikrlelachi! Ya'ni qo''llab quvatlash yoki qarshi bo'lishni dinda shunaqa etilgani uchun emas, balki Sizning o'z printsiplariiz, ichki value'lariiz va istaklariizdan kelib chiqib.

[Mirzabek]

Siz o`zingiz nima deb oylisiz? Agar sizni turmush o`rtogingiz 2 yoki 3 xotin olaman. Senga teng qarasam boldi ovozini o`chir seni fikring bu yerda o`tmidi? Desa?

omadla

[infolife]

Odamla, Sila dinni quyaturib, shundo objective fikrlelachi! Ya'ni qo''llab quvatlash yoki qarshi bo'lishni dinda shunaqa etilgani uchun emas, balki Sizning o'z printsiplariiz, ichki value'lariiz va istaklariizdan kelib chiqib.

kechirasizu, lekin bir odam ozini musulmonman desa shu odamni fikrlashlariyam Islom hukmlaridan kelib chiqqan boladi shekilli. Ya'ni musulmonman deb turib shu dinni hukmlariga qarshi chiqishi munofiqlik bolib qolmaydimi?:rolleyes:

Musulmon odam Alloh halol deb chiqargan bir hukmga qarshi chiqibdiki, sho'ri qurigani shu.



Mirzabek,
Siz o`zingiz nima deb oylisiz? Agar sizni turmush o`rtogingiz 2 yoki 3 xotin olaman. Senga teng qarasam boldi ovozini o`chir seni fikring bu yerda o`tmidi? Desa?

omadla


Meni turmush o'rtog'im hech qachon siz yozgan ohangda gapirmaydi menga. alhamdulillah
Boshqa uylanish niyati bosa rostan ham meni fikrim otmiydi, hukmni olamlar Yaratuvchisi chiqarib qoyganda, men qarshilik qigani kim boppan?

Yaqinda bir talk eshitdim, unda aytgan, kimki Alloh halol deb hukm qilgan bir narsaga qarshi chiqsa kufr sodir qilibdi degan. Shunga Torisi bu tog'risda bir gap aytgani qo'rqib qoldim. Bu ko hotinlilik qurib ketsin menga o'lgudek yoqmaydi deb kufr sodir qib qoyishdan qo'rqaman:( .
After All, biz kim boppizki Olamlar Yaratuvchisi halol qilgan narsani yoqtirmaslikka haqqimiz bolsa. Zotan U Zot siz va bizdan ko'ra donoroq va aqlliroq va uzoqni ko'ra biluvchiroq.Agar rostan ham payg'ambarimiz va sahobalar kabi hamma hotinlarni adolat bilan muomala qilsa erkaklarni hotin ustiga hotin olishiga hech qaysi muslima qarshilik qilomidi, unless ular marriage contractda 2 bor uylanmmaslikni qayd qilib qoygan bolishsa unda boshqa holat.

[SmIlIk]

kechirasizu, lekin bir odam ozini musulmonman desa shu odamni fikrlashlariyam Islom hukmlaridan kelib chiqqan boladi shekilli. Ya'ni musulmonman deb turib shu dinni hukmlariga qarshi chiqishi munofiqlik bolib qolmaydimi?:rolleyes:

Musulmon odam Alloh halol deb chiqargan bir hukmga qarshi chiqibdiki, sho'ri qurigani shu.



Meni turmush o'rtog'im hech qachon siz yozgan ohangda gapirmaydi menga. alhamdulillah
Boshqa uylanish niyati bosa rostan ham meni fikrim otmiydi, hukmni olamlar Yaratuvchisi chiqarib qoyganda, men qarshilik qigani kim boppan?

Yaqinda bir talk eshitdim, unda aytgan, kimki Alloh halol deb hukm qilgan bir narsaga qarshi chiqsa kufr sodir qilibdi degan. Shunga Torisi bu tog'risda bir gap aytgani qo'rqib qoldim. Bu ko hotinlilik qurib ketsin menga o'lgudek yoqmaydi deb kufr sodir qib qoyishdan qo'rqaman:( .
After All, biz kim boppizki Olamlar Yaratuvchisi halol qilgan narsani yoqtirmaslikka haqqimiz bolsa. Zotan U Zot siz va bizdan ko'ra donoroq va aqlliroq va uzoqni ko'ra biluvchiroq.Agar rostan ham payg'ambarimiz va sahobalar kabi hamma hotinlarni adolat bilan muomala qilsa erkaklarni hotin ustiga hotin olishiga hech qaysi muslima qarshilik qilomidi, unless ular marriage contractda 2 bor uylanmmaslikni qayd qilib qoygan bolishsa unda boshqa holat.


Gaplaringiz tog'ri va teran tuzilgan lekin Islamda xar bir narsani ko'r ko'rona, tushunmasdan, xoxlamasdan bajo keltirish kattaroq shirk emasmi?

Avallambor erkaklarning o'ziga insof bersin Allohim. 4 ta hotinlikka ruxsat berildi degani paqqilatib 4 ta hotinga ega bo'lishi mumkin degani emas. Bu masalani ham yaxshi tushunib yetish va o'rganib chiqish kerak. MUHLIS, bu xaqda forumda son sanoqsiz mavzular ochilgan.

Ming aqilli, teran fikrlaydigan bo'lmasin xozirgi erkaklarning oqilona fikr yuritib, shariat shartlarini bajo keltirib, xirsini aralashtirmasdan birdan ko'p xotin ola olishlariga ko'zim yetmaydi. Shuning uchun ham marriage agreement'ga birdan ko'p xotin olishlariga qarshilik ko'rsatganman. Bu mening dinga qarshi chiqishim emas, aynan dinga yordamim deb ham o'ylayman.

[Inspiredmind]

kechirasizu, lekin bir odam ozini musulmonman desa shu odamni fikrlashlariyam Islom hukmlaridan kelib chiqqan boladi shekilli. Ya'ni musulmonman deb turib shu dinni hukmlariga qarshi chiqishi munofiqlik bolib qolmaydimi?:rolleyes:

Musulmon odam Alloh halol deb chiqargan bir hukmga qarshi chiqibdiki, sho'ri qurigani shu.



Meni turmush o'rtog'im hech qachon siz yozgan ohangda gapirmaydi menga. alhamdulillah
Boshqa uylanish niyati bosa rostan ham meni fikrim otmiydi, hukmni olamlar Yaratuvchisi chiqarib qoyganda, men qarshilik qigani kim boppan?

Yaqinda bir talk eshitdim, unda aytgan, kimki Alloh halol deb hukm qilgan bir narsaga qarshi chiqsa kufr sodir qilibdi degan. Shunga Torisi bu tog'risda bir gap aytgani qo'rqib qoldim. Bu ko hotinlilik qurib ketsin menga o'lgudek yoqmaydi deb kufr sodir qib qoyishdan qo'rqaman:( .
After All, biz kim boppizki Olamlar Yaratuvchisi halol qilgan narsani yoqtirmaslikka haqqimiz bolsa. Zotan U Zot siz va bizdan ko'ra donoroq va aqlliroq va uzoqni ko'ra biluvchiroq.Agar rostan ham payg'ambarimiz va sahobalar kabi hamma hotinlarni adolat bilan muomala qilsa erkaklarni hotin ustiga hotin olishiga hech qaysi muslima qarshilik qilomidi, unless ular marriage contractda 2 bor uylanmmaslikni qayd qilib qoygan bolishsa unda boshqa holat.


Salom,

opinions are appreciated, thanx,
kanidi hamma kizlar shynday think kilsa, right? :D

hurmat ila,

[UzbekGirlie]

Kechirasiz, lekin dinda 1 hotinni ruhsatini olsin degan joyi yo;q :)

Surah 4. Women.
Verse 2-3.

2. To orphans restore their property (When they reach their age), nor substitute (your) worthless things for (their) good ones; and devour not their substance (by mixing it up) with your own. For this is indeed a great sin. 3. If ye fear that ye shall not be able to deal justly with the orphans, Marry women of your choice, Two or three or four; but if ye fear that ye shall not be able to deal justly (with them), then only one, or (a captive) that your right hands possess, that will be more suitable, to prevent you from doing injustice.

Korib turganizday, Islom dini tomonidan qo'yilgan bittayu bitta shart bu hotinlarga adolat va teng huquqlilik bilan muomala qilish. Quronda ham Hadisda ham birinchi hotinni ruhsatini olsin degan joyi yo'q. Agar shunaqa bo'ganda ko'p musulmonlar o'tmishda 2-3tadan uylanib ololmagan bo'larmidi.
Ammo hozirgi ayollar ishiga puhta chiqib, marriage contractda boshqa uylanmaslik shartini qayd qilib qo'yishmoqda. Lekin din 1 hotin ruhsatini olishlikka buyurmagan.

Polygamy is permitted in the Quran, but under strictly observed circumstances. Any abuse of this divine permission incurs severe retribution, including marrying someone else without your wives permission. Although polygamy is permitted by Allah, it behooves us to examine our circumstances carefully before saying that a particular polygamous relationship is permissible.

The perfect example here is the prophet Muhammad. He was married to one wife, Khadijah, until she died. He had all his children, except one, from Khadijah. Thus, she and her children enjoyed the Prophet's full attention for as long as she was married to him; twenty-five years. For all practical purposes, Muhammad had one wife - from the age of 25 to 50. During the remaining 13 years of his life, he married the aged widows of his friends who left many children. The children needed a complete home, with a fatherly figure, and the Prophet provided that. Providing a fatherly figure for orphans is the only specific circumstance in support of polygamy mentioned in the Quran (4:3).

Other than marrying widowed mothers of orphans, there were three political marriages in the Prophet's life. His close friends Abu Bakr and Omar insisted that he marry their daughters, Aisha and Hafsah, to establish traditional family ties among them. The third marriage was to Maria the Egyptian; she was given to him as a political gesture of friendship from the ruler of Egypt. This perfect example tells us that a man must give his full attention and loyalty in marriage to his wife and children in order to raise a happy and wholesome family.

The Quran emphasizes the limitations against polygamy in very strong words:
"If you fear lest you may not be perfectly equitable in treating more than one wife, then you shall be content with one." (4:3)
"You cannot be equitable in a polygamous relationship, no matter how hard you try." (4:129)

The Quranic limitations against polygamy point out the possibility of abusing God's law. Therefore, unless we are absolutely sure that God's law will not be abused, we had better resist our lust and stay away from polygamy. If the circumstances do not dictate polygamy, we had better give our full attention to one wife and one set of children. The children's psychological and social well-being, especially in countries where polygamy is prohibited, almost invariably dictates monogamy. A few basic criteria must be observed in contemplating polygamy:
1. It must alleviate pain and suffering and not cause any pain or suffering.
2. If you have a young family, it is almost certain that polygamy is an abuse.
3. Polygamy to substitute a younger wife is an abuse of God's law (4:19).

(The quotes are a reprint from appendix 30 from Dr. Khalifa's translation of the Quran.)

So if marrying someone else will hurt your wife and your children than Islam is against it...

[Iqra]

Infolife, you said exactly what I feel…

Allah (SWT) has given man the right to marry four wives…And we can not question or be against those laws. But, we also should remember that it is not as easy as it sounds, there are certain conditions for that… Firstly, He has to treat them all justly, i.e. they should be provided food, clothing, home, protection etc. etc… Secondly, He has to treat them equally … None of the wives should be more privileged... They get equal house, equal treatment, equal love; etc … So It’s not that simple to marry four wives… Some men would consider themselves fortunate if they could afford to marry even a single woman… Any man, who can manage to keep two, not say more, wives in peace, and cope with requirements of each, must be an exceptionally brave person…

[UzbekGirlie]

My personal opinion- I am against it... I will divorce my future husband if he decided to marry someone else while being married to me... I think thats sign of disrespect- and marriage without respect is not a marriage... But again this is my personal opinion...

[SmIlIk]

http://forum.arbuz.com/showpost.php?p=343573&postcount=39

More than one? (http://forum.arbuz.com/showthread.php?t=26060&highlight=poligamy)

Многоженство (http://forum.arbuz.com/showthread.php?t=11590&highlight=poligamy)

Some of the dicussions.

[Inspiredmind]

My personal opinion- I am against it... I will divorce my future husband if he decided to marry someone else while being married to me... I think thats sign of disrespect- and marriage without respect is not a marriage... But again this is my personal opinion...

hay hay hay, korkitmang Uzbekgirlie honim, hammasi yaxshi bo'ladi, take it easy, :D

hurmat ila,

[Ambassador]

Turmush o'rtog'ini sevadigan,sog'lom fikrlaydigan,o'ziga to'g'ri bo'lgan hech qaysi bir ayol erining ikkinchi hotin olishiga rozi bo'lmasa kerak deb o'ylayman.

[infolife]

Gaplaringiz tog'ri va teran tuzilgan lekin Islamda xar bir narsani ko'r ko'rona, tushunmasdan, xoxlamasdan bajo keltirish kattaroq shirk emasmi?

Avallambor erkaklarning o'ziga insof bersin Allohim. 4 ta hotinlikka ruxsat berildi degani paqqilatib 4 ta hotinga ega bo'lishi mumkin degani emas. Bu masalani ham yaxshi tushunib yetish va o'rganib chiqish kerak. MUHLIS, bu xaqda forumda son sanoqsiz mavzular ochilgan.

Ming aqilli, teran fikrlaydigan bo'lmasin xozirgi erkaklarning oqilona fikr yuritib, shariat shartlarini bajo keltirib, xirsini aralashtirmasdan birdan ko'p xotin ola olishlariga ko'zim yetmaydi. Shuning uchun ham marriage agreement'ga birdan ko'p xotin olishlariga qarshilik ko'rsatganman. Bu mening dinga qarshi chiqishim emas, aynan dinga yordamim deb ham o'ylayman.

Smilik, men ham shuni aytamanda
Undan tashqari 4 hotinni economic support qilish ham qiyinlashib boryapti. togri rizq Allohdan deymiz, lekin sharoitga ham qaralsa bolardi, ayniqsa Uzbekiston sharoitida:?

Siz marriage contractda inshaAllah oziz uchun togri qaror chiqaribsiz, bu dinga qarshi chiqishmas, bu sizi huquqiz, istagan narsezi qayd qilishiz mumkin:)

[UzbekGirlie]

Turmush o'rtog'ini sevadigan,sog'lom fikrlaydigan,o'ziga to'g'ri bo'lgan hech qaysi bir ayol erining ikkinchi hotin olishiga rozi bo'lmasa kerak deb o'ylayman.

I 100% agree....:D

[Inspiredmind]

Smilik, men ham shuni aytamanda
Undan tashqari 4 hotinni economic support qilish ham qiyinlashib boryapti. togri rizq Allohdan deymiz, lekin sharoitga ham qaralsa bolardi, ayniqsa Uzbekiston sharoitida:?

Siz marriage contractda inshaAllah oziz uchun togri qaror chiqaribsiz, bu dinga qarshi chiqishmas, bu sizi huquqiz, istagan narsezi qayd qilishiz mumkin:)

tyshyntiringlar kanday mariage kontract tog'risida gapiryabsizlar, bunga nima tegishli joe bor.

[inDecision]

kechirasizu, lekin bir odam ozini musulmonman desa shu odamni fikrlashlariyam Islom hukmlaridan kelib chiqqan boladi shekilli. Ya'ni musulmonman deb turib shu dinni hukmlariga qarshi chiqishi munofiqlik bolib qolmaydimi?:rolleyes:

Musulmon odam Alloh halol deb chiqargan bir hukmga qarshi chiqibdiki, sho'ri qurigani shu.
Siz ham kechirasizu as far as I know Islomda ham 1tagina hotin olsang san'ga do'zahdan joy obespechit qilamiz digan gap yuq. Prosta 1 tadan ko'p olish taqiqlanmagan. To shto ne zapresheno zakonom, mojno...no ne znachit nujno delat'. MAn etvotganim hop man musulmonman, lekin bittadan ko'p hotin olmoqchi emasman- bu narsa mani musilmonligimga putur yetkazadimi? FAqatgina islomda ruxsat berilganligi uchun 2, 3ta hotin olishmaydiku...tipo hotiniga... uzr endi islomda shunaqa deb etilgan sani ustinan hotin olmasam bumidi demisizu ...o'zingiz ham shuni hohlashingiz kerak...

[Guardian]

Do you guys (who voted for it) also for the "open marriage" westerners experience?

Personally for me, it is ever disgusting to think a person with two wives/husbands. Be it polyandry or polygamy, some are exploiting the books for their own temptation, hell who cares but .... Don't know the reason why, it looks really LOW to me.

[PainKiller]

kuphotinlik hotinini sevgmaslikdan kelib chikadi.
Agar er hotin bir birini tushunsa, bir biridan uyalmasa, hurmat kilsa, sevsa, na er va na hotin uchinchi odamga ilakishadi.
Uzbeklarda, ikkinchi hotinga, bazan farzand bulmasligi uchun ham uylaniladi.
Men karshiman. Erim agar ikkinchi hotin olaman desa, boshiga u bu narsani otib, kallasini yorib koysam kerak.:rolleyes:

[Inspiredmind]

kuphotinlik hotinini sevgmaslikdan kelib chikadi.
Agar er hotin bir birini tushunsa, bir biridan uyalmasa, hurmat kilsa, sevsa, na er va na hotin uchinchi odamga ilakishadi.
Uzbeklarda, ikkinchi hotinga, bazan farzand bulmasligi uchun ham uylaniladi.
Men karshiman. Erim agar ikkinchi hotin olaman desa, boshiga u bu narsani otib, kallasini yorib koysam kerak.:rolleyes:

rostdanmi? unchalikmasdee, keyin hospitalga yugirasiz? eehh bekor kilibman deb, unday ko'ra kancha olsang olaver demabman deb,, :D

hurmat ila,

[SAMARKANDI!]

Qanidi huddi usha Quron va Hadith da etilgandek Erkak kishi shu Allah bergan kop hotinlikni tog'ri (buyurilgan) yolda bajarishganda edi ayniqsa uzbek erkeklar qancha qancha uzbek hotin qizlarni kuni hozirgide kechmasdi i.e. kochalarda kechalari, boshqa davlatlarda. ahir kop hotinlikni asosiy maqsadlaridan biri bu to bring peace and justice amongst people not to use women to satisfy one's orgies

[Amiri Turkiston]

atak bizani qonunchilikda ko'phtinlik ta'qiqlanadi

[Han]

Muxlis, do'stim tinchlikmi? :)

ginekolog dedingiz - ha yaxshi kichkina Muxlisbek/xon yo'lda deb qo'ydik...
Ko'pxotinlik dedingiz - iye katta Muxlis yangisini olmoqchimi deb o'tiribmiz... :) (hazil do'stim)

**************-

ko'pxotinlik?
dinimizda ruhsat, birinchi ayolni ham huquqi bor... fikri so'raladi... albatta xushlamaydi lekin kundoshga sabr qilish jihod savobiga erishtiradi...

o'zimga kelsam, vatanim bo'lgan davlat Qonunlari bo'yicha ko'pxotinlikka ruhsat berilgan...

men ko'pxotinlikka qarshi emasman. faqat shaxsiy principlarim bo'yicha ikkinchi nikohni orzu qilmayman.

do'stalrimiz bilan gohida shu mavzuda hazillashib qo'yamiz.
- Sen uylanganmisan?
- yo'q..
- Uylanganingda ko'rarding yana bittasiga xojat bor yo'qligini?

:) :) :) deb

lekin soliha ayol Jannat nematidir deyiladi hadisi sharifda. alhamdulilloh halolimiz soliha, namozxon va ixlosli...

keyin ayollarning rashkchilik degan narsa erkalarga qaraganda kuchli bo'ladi.

bir tomondan shunday xolis, soliha, jannat ne'mati bo'lgan rafiqamni imtihon qilgim kelmaydi...

axir marra dunyo emas ku oxirat... Allohu taolo ham oxirat-jannat ne'mati bo'lgan musulmon qayliq nasib etgan ekan nima qilaman, ishni chigallashtirib...

[Mirzabek]

Mirzabek Holmedov aytkanday...

Bitta anakonda Zaharovna yetadi 2 yoki 3 qilishni nima xojati bor...:lool:

omadla

[Vector]

'Big Love' (http://www.hbo.com/biglove/) degan serial bor, polygamy oila togrisida, zor ishlashkan...

[SmIlIk]

atak bizani qonunchilikda ko'phtinlik ta'qiqlanadi

O'sha davlat qonunchiligiga qarshi ish yuritish esa, dinda taqiqlanadi :D

[Shawn]

O'zbekistonda erkaklar ham moliyaviy, ham diniy nuqtai-nazardan bunga tayyor emas. Demografik tomondan ham oqlab bo'lmaydi. Kelajakda erkaklar soni ayollar sonidan oshishi mumkin emas deb hech kim kafolat bera olmaydi. Erkaklar soni ayollardan ko'p bo'lgan davlatlar ham yo'q emas. Umuman, ma'lum yoshda erkaklar va ayollar soni tenglashadi. So, I am against it. Kophotinlikkka qarshi iqtisodiy va ijtimoiy siyosatlar orqali qarshi kurashish lozim deb uylayman.

[Royal]

Farzmas bu ish, evlasham keray buni - sunnat boladi, savobi bor dip yana ming marotaba yomon gunohga qolish hech gapmas lekin...

mani fikrim, yoqmasa demak ana kotta blvd.

[infolife]

kuphotinlik hotinini sevgmaslikdan kelib chikadi.
Agar er hotin bir birini tushunsa, bir biridan uyalmasa, hurmat kilsa, sevsa, na er va na hotin uchinchi odamga ilakishadi.

:shock: :shock: :shock: Sen payg'ambarimiz SAW hotinlarini sevmagan demoqchimisan? Yoki Umar RA eng rashkchi sahoba bo'lganidan hotinlarini masjidga ham chiqarmasligidan gap eshitgan ekan. Shu kishiniyam 4 hotini bo'gan, menimcha sevmagani uchun hotin ustiga hotin olmagandur:rolleyes:

keyingi asrlarda zamoni zayli bilan shunaqa bogan bosa kere



Uzbeklarda, ikkinchi hotinga, bazan farzand bulmasligi uchun ham uylaniladi.
Men karshiman. Erim agar ikkinchi hotin olaman desa, boshiga u bu narsani otib, kallasini yorib koysam kerak.:rolleyes:

Farzand bolmasligi togri sabab bolishi mumkin.
nima uchun ayollar bir paytda birdan ortiqqa tegmeydiyu va erkaklar birdan ortiqqa uylanishi mumkinligi shariatda halol qilingan. Buni sabablarini erkaklar yahshiroq tushunsa kerak deb oyleman chunki ayollarga har doim bitta er kifoya qilgan, kifoya qimasa ajrashib boshqa er qurgan. Erkaklaram shunday qip qoya qoganda balkim erdan ajragan ayollar soni kopayib, jamiyatga zarari bordir.

[The Reaper]

4 жены = 4 8-х Марта; и 4 ПМС в месяц!
Нет спасибо. Мне одной хватает. :D

TR

[Vector]

4 жены = 4 8-х Марта; и 4 ПМС в месяц!
Нет спасибо. Мне одной хватает. :D

TR

но зато 4 любви и 4 разной еды :lol:

[The Reaper]

но зато 4 любви и 4 разной еды :lol:
1 любовь и 1 стэйк с отпарными овощами. Всё что мне нужно. :D

TR

[Alesser]

kup xotinlikka albatta qarshiligim yuq, lek er xotini ustiga xotin olmoqchi bulsa albatta xotinining roziligini olishi shart... #1xotin rozi bulmasdan turib 2chisiga uylanolmaydi... qarshilgim yuq deyishimga sabab, jamiyatimizda har doim erkaklar xotinlarga nisbatan sogligiga ziyon-zaralik ishlarni qilib kelgan va haligacha qiladi, masalan urush yoki janglarda ham erkaklar qatnshadi bu esa shu erkaklarning kup qismini qirilib ketishiga sabab buladi... dunyoda ayollar erkaklarga nisbatan bir necha marta kup, shulardan eri yuq bolalik ayollar ham anchagina yana turmushga chiqmagan ayollaram bor... shu ayollarni bolasini boqaman deb yoki yana boshqa sabablarga kura yomon yullarga kirib ketishini oldini olish uchun ularga uylanib yordam qilsa yahshi ish bulad deb uyliman... agar biror erkak kishi Uzbda shunchaki holisona yordam qiley desa ham odamlar juda giybatga usta, darrov gap suz qilib yuborishadi, shuning uchun uylanib quyib bollari bulsa ularni tarbiyasiga ham yordam bersa yahshhi buladi albatta qurbi yetsa...
yana bir narsa, kup xotini bulgan erkak xotinlarini har tomonlama teng kurishi kerak, erlik huquqiniyam har biriga baravariga taqsimlashi kerak...

uzimga kelsak, hali 1tasiniyam olganim yuq:), lek kelajakda quldan kelsa kup xotinlik bulmasam ham beva-bechora va yetim yesirlarga yordam qilish niyyatim bor albatta:)....

[StU]

sorry for offtop, 3 females voted for "for" option and I have only one wife. :D

So don't you guys(those 3 females) wanna fill in the rest of three in my harem?:twisted: :twisted: :twisted:

Martin - qale kto-nibud otkliknulsa? ;)

[Vector]

1 любовь и 1 стэйк с отпарными овощами. Всё что мне нужно. :D

TR

ну тогда ты вегетарианец :laugh:

[Mahmud]

Yoshligimizda ko'chada o'ynab yurgan vaqtimizda qo'shnimizni o'gay onasini bir og'iz chaqimchiligi uchun sinfdoshimni otasi tomga kirgizib qayish bilan urishi,
tom ortida muralab turgan bolalar uning otasini yomon ko'rishi, oq ko'ylagini yoqasi hamisha kir bo'lib yurishi, "Katta bo'lsam otamni urib o'ldiraman" deyishi yoki o'gay onasi biznikiga chiqib sinfdoshimga nisbatan yaxshi munosabatda bo'lmoqchiligi, lekin u aytganini teskarisi qilaverganidan nolishi, otasini ko'chada havotir bilan yurishi juda achinarli hol edi.Bu kabi muammolar bo'lmasligi uchun qo'shnimiz qayta o'ylanmagani ma'qulmidi deb uylardim...

Ko'pxotinlik masalasiga kelsam agar hammasini eplay olsa bunga qarshiligim yo'q.Xotinlariga nisbatan bir xil muomalada bo'la olish unchalik qiyin ish deb uylamayman.Lekin, farzandlari bu holni qanday qabul qiladi? Qaysi ruyda tarbiya topadi? Har kuni otasi uyga kirib kelayotganda yugurib chiqadigan bolakayni sevinishi, ertasi kuni uzilib qolsa...Bolakayga qanday ta'sir qiladi?
Meni shu kabi savollar qiynaydi...

Biron beva ayolga moddiy jihatdan yordam berishni ayolimni bositasida ham amalga oshirish mumkin...

Ilova: Yuqorida yozilgan fikrlarni o'qib chiqmaganman...

[Hard]

Возможно ли? Готовы ли мы к этому? И как Вы относитесь к идее многоженства?

[FatellA]

bumagan narsa hama narsa bita juftdan iborat bulishi kerak. nega endi menga tegushli narsani kim bilandur bolishaman qolaversa ko'z ochib ko'rgan insonni? bu narsani yuqotish kerak

[kipchak]

я за легальное многоженство.

[Hard]

http://www.tatforum.info/forum/index.php?showtopic=3763&st=0?entry57006
Многоженство: взгляд со всех сторон. Рекомендую всем - и сторонникам иё противникам многоженства.

[Vector]

http://www.tatforum.info/forum/index.php?showtopic=3763&st=0?entry57006
Многоженство: взгляд со всех сторон. Рекомендую всем - и сторонникам иё противникам многоженства.


gde mojno nayti etu knigu? mojej dat' link esli est'?

[Hard]

А.-Г. Бабич
Многоженство.
Советы и комментарии ?
Не знаю. Поищи в библиотеках.

[nemets]

http://www.tatforum.info/forum/index.php?showtopic=3763&st=0?entry57006
Многоженство: взгляд со всех сторон. Рекомендую всем - и сторонникам иё противникам многоженства.

В статье упоминается про женское бесплодие. А вот если мужик бесплодный или импотент, может ли его жена выйти замуж за второго и оставить первого, чтобы он не остался одинок?

[Inspiredmind]

Возможно ли? Готовы ли мы к этому? И как Вы относитесь к идее многоженства?

privet,,

ya ne znauy kak mi doljni bit' gotovi k e'tomu? e'konomicheski ili demograficheski. Sudya po moemy, pervoe otpadaet to est e'konomic potomy chto strana nemojet bit' gotova ili net , coz tyt ob individyymah re4' idet, a vot vtoroy aspect bolee trogatel'niy , to est.znat' nado, skolko jeshshin' preobladaet ot mujchin po chislennosti... imenno v UZB , esli est y vas ta info please postite suda, hochy yznat', prosto interesno toje,,,
vot F.Engelsom, soglasen,,"mnogojenstvo est preimyshectbo bogotix" heh. kryto, da :D odnako ya 100% yveren myself mogy bit' balancom vo vcex otnosheniyx, coz I ll be in love with all,, and love means more...:D
,,,

hurmat ila,

[Hard]

А на моральном уровне? Допустим ты девушка и парень предлагает тебе стать его второй женой (если все будет по закону)?

[UzbekGirlie]

А на моральном уровне? Допустим ты девушка и парень предлагает тебе стать его второй женой (если все будет по закону)?

Moy otvet bil bi- "Hell NO!"

[Пушкарева]

polygamy - udel nedorazvitih soobshestv (gosudarstv). Africa - tomu yavny primer. vot bolshaya chast naseleniya ot spida i umiraet. :twisted:


Возможно ли? Готовы ли мы к этому? И как Вы относитесь к идее многоженства?

[daka]

I agree with legal polygamy. In fact I think it is more difficult for man then women in that type of a marriage. I believe in a polygamist family there is a lot of pressure on man to create a harmony in the family. I dont think just any man can handle that kind of marriage only those with good personality and strong moral values can make that type of a marriage work.
As far as will it work in Uzbekistan, I dont think the society is ready for it yet. Even though you hear such and such have second family more often nowadays. To be honest I would rather see man who have affairs outside of their family have polygamist marriages then to live in sin.
Personally I would agree to marry someone who already has a family. But I think the decision to agree to such proposal is not only mine but his first family, his parents and my parents as well. And anybody who understands the seriousness of the polygamist marriage will think twice before even proposing to someone else.
I think the main reason why we dont practice polygamy NeZaBudka is not because we are more developed society then African but because it is a very complicated relationship and not everyone can live it according to religious requirements.

[Пушкарева]

I think the reason why we don't practice polygamy, is the Soviet legacy (Thanks God it once came to our territory).

I think the main reason why we dont practice polygamy NeZaBudka is not because we are more developed society then African but because it is a very complicated relationship and not everyone can live it according to religious requirements.

[2:216]

I think the reason why we don't practice polygamy, is the Soviet legacy (Thanks God it once came to our territory).

Uffff....qani endi hamma sizga o'hshagan Sho'rolar davrini sog'inib ketganlar hammaligi bir bo'lib Shimoliy Koreyagami yoki Vetnamga survorishsa. O'zbekistonda hayotimiz qanchalik yahshi bo'lar edi. Shunchalik sog'indilami, Lenin dodelani, ana to'rt tarafila qibla (eh uzr, siz qibla nimaligini ham bilmasez kerak ooo), hech kim sizlarni ushlab turgani yo'q, aslida hursand bo'lamiz safarilar behatar bo'lsin, iloyim borgan joyilarda toshdek qotilar deb duo ham qilib yuboramiz, iltimos ketila O'zbekisotndan

[Пушкарева]

konechno, bizdakilar secular thinkers-lar ketadiyu, siladikilar esa, kophotinlikni afzal koradiganlar (rasputstvo) - qolasizlar. haliyam ushattamasman. lekin qaerda bolishim - bu manga havola. sizdan ruhsat sorab otirmiman hayotim travel itinerary qanaqa bolishini.


Uffff....qani endi hamma sizga o'hshagan Sho'rolar davrini sog'inib ketganlar hammaligi bir bo'lib Shimoliy Koreyagami yoki Vetnamga survorishsa. O'zbekistonda hayotimiz qanchalik yahshi bo'lar edi. Shunchalik sog'indilami, Lenin dodelani, ana to'rt tarafila qibla (eh uzr, siz qibla nimaligini ham bilmasez kerak ooo), hech kim sizlarni ushlab turgani yo'q, aslida hursand bo'lamiz safarilar behatar bo'lsin, iloyim borgan joyilarda toshdek qotilar deb duo ham qilib yuboramiz, iltimos ketila O'zbekisotndan

[Vector]

polygamy - udel nedorazvitih soobshestv (gosudarstv). Africa - tomu yavny primer. vot bolshaya chast naseleniya ot spida i umiraet. :twisted:

high divorce rate,prostitution, cheating husbands etc.- tak poluchaetsya udel razvitih sobshestv (gosudarstv.) :rolleyes:

[Gareeb]

I think the reason why we don't practice polygamy, is the Soviet legacy (Thanks God it once came to our territory).

Shu gapiz uchun ham to'rtinchi xotin bo'lib birorta boywachchaga tegib qosezmi-a?:)

[Royal]

Bo threadda manimcha bir notogri tushuncha boganga ohshiydi kophotinlik togrisida..

Kophotinlik degani bu Erkak kishini ozini nafsini qondirish uchun bolgan harakatimas...va bu harakatida duch keganini ham oziga 2 - 3 - 4 chi qilib olvuradi deganiyammas....

Kophotinlik yani 4tagacha uylanishda oziniyam yahshigina qonun qoidalari bor..

[infolife]

Uffff....qani endi hamma sizga o'hshagan Sho'rolar davrini sog'inib ketganlar hammaligi bir bo'lib Shimoliy Koreyagami yoki Vetnamga survorishsa. O'zbekistonda hayotimiz qanchalik yahshi bo'lar edi. Shunchalik sog'indilami, Lenin dodelani, ana to'rt tarafila qibla (eh uzr, siz qibla nimaligini ham bilmasez kerak ooo), hech kim sizlarni ushlab turgani yo'q, aslida hursand bo'lamiz safarilar behatar bo'lsin, iloyim borgan joyilarda toshdek qotilar deb duo ham qilib yuboramiz, iltimos ketila O'zbekisotndan
2:216, azizim siz hapa o'men.:)
1000 emas mlnlab odamlarni quloq qilgan, o'zbek oilalarini sho'rini surgunda quritgan, "pahta ishi" munosabati bilan 1000lab er yigitlarni qamoqqa tiqqan, halqning eng o'qimishli ma'rifatparvar jadidlarini otib o'ldirgan, dinga qarshi ayovsiz kurashib, 2martadan alifboimizni o'zgartirib halqimizni savodsizlik darajasini oshirgan shunday qaqshatqich tuzumni sog'inganlar yoki rostan esi past, yoki bo'masam o'sha davr tarihini o'qimagan ilmsiz odam deb bilaman. shu ikosidan bittasiligi aniq ishanorin.

[UzLand]

В статье упоминается про женское бесплодие. А вот если мужик бесплодный или импотент, может ли его жена выйти замуж за второго и оставить первого, чтобы он не остался одинок?

А, прикинь, мужик импотентен, так у него еще и 4 жены:)

[~Atirgul~]

Я не думаю что наша страна готова чтобы узаконили полигамию. Полигамия хороша только в тех семьях где глубоко соблюдается Ислам, мусульманин который знает и соблюдает отлично Исламские требования понимает что полигамия это не только удовлетворение своих половых потребностей, также это большая ответственность за своих жен перед Аллахом, раз женился обеспечивай их питанием, одеждой, жильем, а самое главное будь справедлив ко всем женам, люби их всех одинаково и удовлетворяй их. А также я хочу добавить что мусульманки которые соблюдают Ислам тоже будут достойно вести себя и уважать друг друга.
В семьях где не соблюдается Ислам полигамия это бедствие: Во первых- муж не будет нести ответственность за своих жен, он не будет их обеспечивать, Во вторых- муж будет несправедлив ко своим женам и будет любить больше ту которая покрасивей и помоложе(скажем вторую жену), и будет меньше внимание уделять (первой) жене которая постарше, от этого первая будет только страдать а вторая процветать:twisted: . В третьих- жены будут ненавидеть друг друга, будут всегда ссоры между ними и дети этих жен тоже будут ненавидеть друг друга, между ними будет только вражда. В четвертых- где гарантия что муж не будет гулять на стороне имея кроме этого 3 жены? А если он на стороне погуляет с проституткой, заразится чемто а потом заразит своих жен?

[Vector]

Я не думаю что наша страна готова чтобы узаконили полигамию. Полигамия хороша только в тех семьях где глубоко соблюдается Ислам, мусульманин который знает и соблюдает отлично Исламские требования понимает что полигамия это не только удовлетворение своих половых потребностей, также это большая ответственность за своих жен перед Аллахом, раз женился обеспечивай их питанием, одеждой, жильем, а самое главное будь справедлив ко всем женам, люби их всех одинаково и удовлетворяй их.

Respect flower...thousands thanks from me :thumbs:

[~Atirgul~]

В статье упоминается про женское бесплодие. А вот если мужик бесплодный или импотент, может ли его жена выйти замуж за второго и оставить первого, чтобы он не остался одинок?
в статье также упоминается и мужское бесплодие
Читайте внимательно :read:!!!!

Следует отметить, что бесплодие мужа также дает жене право на развод. При нежелании же супругов расставаться такие семьи могут взять на воспитание сирот, что в Исламе приветствуется и поощряется.

[Пушкарева]

a mayli, shu ozizzi shunchalik "aqlliman" deb oyazes, bayroq qulizga, onahotin :)


2:216, azizim siz hapa o'men.:)
1000 emas mlnlab odamlarni quloq qilgan, o'zbek oilalarini sho'rini surgunda quritgan, "pahta ishi" munosabati bilan 1000lab er yigitlarni qamoqqa tiqqan, halqning eng o'qimishli ma'rifatparvar jadidlarini otib o'ldirgan, dinga qarshi ayovsiz kurashib, 2martadan alifboimizni o'zgartirib halqimizni savodsizlik darajasini oshirgan shunday qaqshatqich tuzumni sog'inganlar yoki rostan esi past, yoki bo'masam o'sha davr tarihini o'qimagan ilmsiz odam deb bilaman. shu ikosidan bittasiligi aniq ishanorin.

[Royal]

Kto-to eshe za legal polygamy??? :shock:

why not !?
still exist in reality, only everyone closes eyes to it...

If legalized what could be happened negative ?

I think only positive things would be done, that means lots single woman who's husband is past away or devorced with some reason may find home...

That is better than anything...

what You think ? Your self

[The Reaper]

Я не думаю что наша страна готова чтобы узаконили полигамию. Полигамия хороша только в тех семьях где глубоко соблюдается Ислам, мусульманин который знает и соблюдает отлично Исламские требования понимает что полигамия это не только удовлетворение своих половых потребностей, также это большая ответственность за своих жен перед Аллахом, раз женился обеспечивай их питанием, одеждой, жильем, а самое главное будь справедлив ко всем женам, люби их всех одинаково и удовлетворяй их. А также я хочу добавить что мусульманки которые соблюдают Ислам тоже будут достойно вести себя и уважать друг друга.

Чистой воды утопия. Невозможно всех 4-х жен любить одинаково. Мы люди, и у всех нас есть определенные предпочтения в физическом и нравственном-моральном плане.
Если у мужика 4 жены, и одной из них за 40, а другой 19, то 100% он будет больше спать с молоденькой. Что уже подразумевает неравенство, не так ли? Для старых мужиков спать с молоденькой - это массаж их эго и самолюбия.

Потом, в женщинах заложен инстинкт конкуренции, т.е. они терпеть не могут когда какая-то доля мужского внимания или ласки идет к другой. В итоге, хочешь ты того или нет, создается атмосфера напряженности и агрессии между членами "гарема".

В семьях где не соблюдается Ислам полигамия это бедствие: Во первых- муж не будет нести ответственность за своих жен, он не будет их обеспечивать, Во вторых- муж будет несправедлив ко своим женам и будет любить больше ту которая покрасивей и помоложе(скажем вторую жену), и будет меньше внимание уделять (первой) жене которая постарше, от этого первая будет только страдать а вторая процветать:twisted: .

Опять-таки люди опускают уровень Ислама до банального, извиняюсь, траходрома. Вместо того, чтобы говорить о душевном обогащении человека и творении добра, религиозные люди обсуждают в какой пропорции муж должен трахать своих жен. Мда. :?

В третьих- жены будут ненавидеть друг друга, будут всегда ссоры между ними и дети этих жен тоже будут ненавидеть друг друга, между ними будет только вражда. В четвертых- где гарантия что муж не будет гулять на стороне имея кроме этого 3 жены?

Ссоры будут идти не из-за того, что люди не живут по канонам Ислама, а потому что, они ЛЮДИ. Мы все порочны, и нам свойствены такие чувства как зависть, ревность, злость, и мелочность.

А если он на стороне погуляет с проституткой, заразится чемто а потом заразит своих жен?

А причем здесь Ислам?? :?
Если мужик не знает что надо предохраняться, то он ДЕБИЛ, которого никакая религия не спасет!

TR

[The Reaper]

IMHO, it's VERY simple. Right from its birth, Islam was a male dominated religion. Men want to have limitless opportunities to bang as many women as possible, or have threesomes, foursomes etc. It's all about ego for some guys.
What better way to rationalize ang legalize it than through religion? Koran and Hadis were written by men who had same sexual preferences, and same penises as other "average" men.
So the standard excuse is, "I'm sorry honey, I have to have more pussy because Islam says so."

I'm throwing a bullsh*t flag here.

TR

[StU]

В семьях где не соблюдается Ислам полигамия это бедствие:

net po-moemu eto nazivaetsa orgiya :?

[MUHLIS]

IMHO, it's VERY simple. Right from its birth, Islam was a male dominated religion.
TR
It is your view about Islam and it is your choice. So, fine.

Men want to have limitless opportunities to bang as many women as possible, or have threesomes, foursomes etc. It's all about ego for some guys.
It is very unlikely that I will marry another woman other than my wife, it is my choice. I do not have to marry another woman if I do not want to and can still be a follow of this religion. It is also very unlikely that I will have a sexual contact with another woman, because my faith would not allow me to do so. Male or female, all humans have that weakness: adultery. IMHO men and women with western lifestyle usually have clear advantage over their muslim fellows, when it comes to the number of sex partners.
What better way to rationalize ang legalize it than through religion? Koran and Hadis were written by men who had same sexual preferences, and same penises as other "average" men.
Although it might not interest you, I shall still remind you that Qur'an wasn't written by humans, it is a holy book revealed to humany from God through a messenger.
So the standard excuse is, "I'm sorry honey, I have to have more pussy because Islam says so."
We shouldn't judge the issue based on the way how certain individuals abuse the religion as an excuse. They do not play the game with all the rules. They try to adapt the rules for their own pleasure. They can drink alcohol, smoke, play gambling games, engage in corruption and bribery, etc and they do not remember that their faith prohibits these things. But when it comes to having another poor woman on his bed using his material might they suddenly recall that they are muslim. And still they intentionally overlook the preconditions which are explained pretty clearly to realize that it would be a tough choice.

[anatoliydaev]

IMHO, it's VERY simple. Right from its birth, Islam was a male dominated religion. Men want to have limitless opportunities to bang as many women as possible, or have threesomes, foursomes etc. It's all about ego for some guys.
What better way to rationalize ang legalize it than through religion? Koran and Hadis were written by men who had same sexual preferences, and same penises as other "average" men.
So the standard excuse is, "I'm sorry honey, I have to have more pussy because Islam says so."

I'm throwing a bullsh*t flag here.

TR
LOL. Completely agree with your statement. I would also add as proof of sexual reasoning for polygamy the fact that getting older man alternately marries younger women (meaning that age disparity between man and his next wife increases).

[infolife]

a mayli, shu ozizzi shunchalik "aqlliman" deb oyazes, bayroq qulizga, onahotin :)

Nezabudka, men yozgan narsalarni bilish uchun aqlli bolish shart emas. onahotin bolisham shart emas. :)
Prosto bu tarihni o'qimagan bosez o'qimaganman deb ayting qoying
bayro qo'lizga nima degani?:rolleyes: qanaqa bayroq?

bopti sizga bir savol, nima uchun Sovet tuzumiga rahmat aytasiz?
I Bu tuzumda o'zi qancha yashagansiz sir bomasa?
Sovet tuzumi qanday qilib kop hotinlilikka qarshi kurashdi? Nimalar qilgan ekan?

[Royal]

IMHO, it's VERY simple. Right from its birth, Islam was a male dominated religion. Men want to have limitless opportunities to bang as many women as possible, or have threesomes, foursomes etc. It's all about ego for some guys.
What better way to rationalize ang legalize it than through religion? Koran and Hadis were written by men who had same sexual preferences, and same penises as other "average" men.
So the standard excuse is, "I'm sorry honey, I have to have more pussy because Islam says so."

I'm throwing a bullsh*t flag here.

TR

Towbaaa....

Nuuu.... gavoryat je: "Kajdie dumayet po mere vospitannosti"

[~Atirgul~]

Чистой воды утопия. Невозможно всех 4-х жен любить одинаково. Мы люди, и у всех нас есть определенные предпочтения в физическом и нравственном-моральном плане.
Если у мужика 4 жены, и одной из них за 40, а другой 19, то 100% он будет больше спать с молоденькой. Что уже подразумевает неравенство, не так ли? Для старых мужиков спать с молоденькой - это массаж их эго и самолюбия.

Nega siz hammani o'zingiz bilan solishtirasiz? Ahir siz shunaqa bo'lsangiz va nafsingizni jilovlab ololmasangiz demak hammayam sizga o'hshagan nafsiga ergashgan degani emasku. Dunyoda hali Alloh roziligi uchun yashiydigan bandalar ham topiladi, musulmon deganimda men faqat Alloh roziligi uchun hayot kechirgan, har bir qadamida adolatli, sabirli, solih bo'lishga intilgan insonlar haqida yozdim. Menga ishoningki bundoq odamlar o'z hotinlariga juda e'tiborli bo'lishadi, ularni haqlarini Alloh oldida bajarishga intiladi. Bilmasangiz sizga e'tib qo'yiy, Islomda agar Alloh oldida haqiqatdan yahshi banda bo'laman desangiz 1 hotin bo'ladimi, 2tami, 4tami hammasiga yahshi munosabatda bo'lish, hammasining haqlarini ado qilish majburiyati bor, va bir hotinga yahshi muomala qilib 2 chisiga e'tibor qilmagan er adolatsizlik qiladi va Alloh oldida bu dunyoda bo'lmasa unda boshqa dunyoda javob beradi. Siz uchun bu ertak- pertak bo'lsa bu sizining muammongiz.



Потом, в женщинах заложен инстинкт конкуренции, т.е. они терпеть не могут когда какая-то доля мужского внимания или ласки идет к другой. В итоге, хочешь ты того или нет, создается атмосфера напряженности и агрессии между членами "гарема".
Ha hamma ayollada raqobat instinkti bor, nafaqat ayollarda balkim erkaklada ham, lekin raqobatning hosili hammada ham bir hil bo'lmaydi. O'zini instinktlarini tarbiya qila oladigan ayol va erkak hech qachon birovni ko'raolmaslik darajasiga tushib ketmaydi, aksiga o'zining kamchiliklari ustida ishlaydi, meni erim meni ko'proq yahshi ko'rsin deb o'zining tashqi ko'rinishiga ko'proq e'tibor qaratadi, yahshiroq ovqat pishiradi, yahshiroq muomala qiladi, yani hamma tomonladan ideallikka intiladi. Soliha ayol birinchi bo'lib Alloh roziligi uchun, keyin esa erining roziligi uchin amal qiladi, agar Alloh bu dunyoda mukofotini bermasa unda narigi dunyoda ajr-savoblarini berishini biladi va shunga monand harakat qiladi.

Опять-таки люди опускают уровень Ислама до банального, извиняюсь, траходрома. Вместо того, чтобы говорить о душевном обогащении человека и творении добра, религиозные люди обсуждают в какой пропорции муж должен трахать своих жен. Мда. :?
Nima uchun shuni yozganingizga lekin tushunmadim. Men u erda Islom talablariga javob bermagan Oila poligamiya muhitida qandoq bo'lishini tasvirlab berganman holos, bundoq oilada ko'photinlik muhiti erkakning faqatgina nafsini qondirish uchun hizmat qilishini aytib o'tdim. Men u erda Islom haqida hech nima yozmadim shekilli.:rolleyes:


Ссоры будут идти не из-за того, что люди не живут по канонам Ислама, а потому что, они ЛЮДИ. Мы все порочны, и нам свойствены такие чувства как зависть, ревность, злость, и мелочность.

Судя по вашему посту я уже не сомневаюсь что вы такой, Но ненадо пожалуйста всем давать свою характеристику, я еще повторяю что есть люди которые умеют воспитывать свои дикие инстинкты.

А причем здесь Ислам?? :?
Если мужик не знает что надо предохраняться, то он ДЕБИЛ, которого никакая религия не спасет!
TR[/quote]
А притом что в Исламе прелюбодеяния считается большим грехом, и истинно верующий мусульманин прелюбодействовать не станет, он лучше возьмет на себя ответственность содержать 4 -рех жен.

[kipchak]

Мда, я смотрю манерам так и не научились! Нельзя так про Ислам и нашего Пророка высказываться, что за культура такая у вас - мерзости говорить?.. Попались бы мне - ответили бы, но так как в вирутале каждый сам по себе волк, значит отвечать будете перед Создателем.

[SmIlIk]

IMHO, it's VERY simple. Right from its birth, Islam was a male dominated religion. Men want to have limitless opportunities to bang as many women as possible, or have threesomes, foursomes etc. It's all about ego for some guys.
What better way to rationalize ang legalize it than through religion? Koran and Hadis were written by men who had same sexual preferences, and same penises as other "average" men.
So the standard excuse is, "I'm sorry honey, I have to have more pussy because Islam says so."

I'm throwing a bullsh*t flag here.

TR

It is always good to limit personal opinion where it will not insult religion or a belief AND those who believe in it.

Those who thanked The Reaper and you yourself tend to get upset when asked to learn more about Islam, at the same time accuse those who try to inform you about Islam of pushing their ideas down your throat; But I have to suggest you guys to get back to history of Islam and to the day when marrying more than one woman was allowed BUT not compulsory.

FYI, Qoran was not written by any man. It was memorized and reported by prophet Muhammad. I believe neither Quran nor Hadith contain anything related to threesomes or foursomes. This is just ridiculous...

[Пушкарева]

Prosto bu tarihni o'qimagan bosez o'qimaganman deb ayting qoying oramizada kim koproq oqiganligi solishtirib korishni hojati yoq deb oyliman ;)

bayro qo'lizga nima degani?:rolleyes: qanaqa bayroq? shunaqa bir gap bor, aqillilarga atalgan :)

bopti sizga bir savol, nima uchun Sovet tuzumiga rahmat aytasiz?

for unveiling women and educating people

I Bu tuzumda o'zi qancha yashagansiz sir bomasa?

anchamasku, lekin kitoblar oqiganmiza, research paperlar yozganmiza


Sovet tuzumi qanday qilib kop hotinlilikka qarshi kurashdi?
by unveiling, emancipating and educating women :)

[The Reaper]

Мда, я смотрю манерам так и не научились! Нельзя так про Ислам и нашего Пророка высказываться, что за культура такая у вас - мерзости говорить?.. Попались бы мне - ответили бы, но так как в вирутале каждый сам по себе волк, значит отвечать будете перед Создателем.

Надо же, я смотрю тут у нас меч Божий попался. Слышь фуфлыжник, чем размахивать здесь своим "праведным" гневом и колотить в грудь, иди-ка ты сходи про жыдовский заговор и зондеркоммандер поговори, у тебя это намного изящнее получается.
А вдруг я действительно тебе "попадусь"? Что ты сделаешь?

TR

[PainKiller]

I belive, those who have no knowledge of the history of the times when Islam was born, should take a history book, make some research about the lifestyle of wild arab tribes of that time and make conclusions.
Islam did not extend the number of wives, it simply set limits. In a society where having unlimited number of wives, borrowing, lending was ok as long as u were rich-Islam was a very progressive, fair religion which made men stop at 4th woman, stop killing female children and prohibited borrowing and giving as a gift to relatives wives and females. Yes, If u r a modern Humanist all for human rights and equality, or a feminist-U will never agree with Islam. But if u have a little place left in ur brain and heart for thinking and common sense, u will agree that islam in Arabia was a very good religion.
I belive that Islam allows 4 wives. I even understand and comprehend the reasons and the will behind this guidance. I still am a very demanding human being who cannot share a love of a man with any other woman. Marriage should be about hormony. If marrying another woman brings harmony to your family, u r not against it and ur husband is marrying someone else-I see no problem with it.
But if u r like me, second, third and fouth wives will do no good)))

To Comprehend what Islam taught humans, u should be more than just open minded. If u r limited within ur values and cannot accept anything which contradicts the theories of "human rights and feminism" teachings, than please, do not bother-U WON'T understand it.;)

[The Reaper]

It is always good to limit personal opinion where it will not insult religion or a belief AND those who believe in it.

Where did I insult YOUR religion and belief? I just said that Islam was/is a male diminated religion. Is it not?

Those who thanked The Reaper and you yourself tend to get upset when asked to learn more about Islam, at the same time accuse those who try to inform you about Islam of pushing their ideas down your throat; But I have to suggest you guys to get back to history of Islam and to the day when marrying more than one woman was allowed BUT not compulsory.

Allowed but not compulsory? I was talking about the reason WHY was it allowed. And if you think their sexual preference didn't have anything to do with it, fine, your choice. Are women in Islam allowed to have 4 husbands? Chances are, they are not. If yes, fine. If not, WHY aren't they allowed to have 4 husbands?

FYI, Qoran was not written by any man. It was memorized and reported by prophet Muhammad. I believe neither Quran nor Hadith contain anything related to threesomes or foursomes. This is just ridiculous...

Where did I say that threesomes or foursomes are mentioned in the Qoran or Hadis? I said having multiple sexual partners is, generally, one of men's fantasies. Islam, being a male dominated religion reflects it. Whether you like it or not, poligamy is about sex and male ego.

TR

[PainKiller]

Males dominate in Islam, and u should not have problems with this, unless u r a feminist. Which u of course r not, if u say Poligamy is ok, r u?;)

[The Reaper]

I belive, those who have no knowledge of the history of the times when Islam was born, should take a history book, make some research about the lifestyle of wild arab tribes of that time and make conclusions.

Okay, so just because Islam was more "humane and democratic" than other tribes of Arabic Peninsula at those times, does it mean we still have to live by the same standards?
If people moved along with time and progress, why does religion have to remain unquestioned or unchallenged?

Yes, If u r a modern Humanist all for human rights and equality, or a feminist-U will never agree with Islam. But if u have a little place left in ur brain and heart for thinking and common sense, u will agree that islam in Arabia was a very good religion.

My place in brain and common sense agrees with you that Islam was a positive force during those times. But, the problem with any religion is that religion is resistant to change. People tend to frame their life around a certain dogma, which by the way has very good things (don't kill, don't steal, etc.), but which at the same time has many rules and guides, which are not reflective of current times. See my drift?

TR

[The Reaper]

Males dominate in Islam, and u should not have problems with this, unless u r a feminist. Which u of course r not, if u say Poligamy is ok, r u?;)

I'm saying that poligamy is more about human nature than God's word. Is it not?

You're right I'm for male domination, but I however, do not condone stoning women, depriving them of their rights, or putting them in bee-keeper suits.
Does it make me a feminist? Well, you decide. ;)

TR

[PainKiller]

Okay, so just because Islam was more "humane and democratic" than other tribes of Arabic Peninsula at those times, does it mean we still have to live by the same standards?
If people moved along with time and progress, why does religion have to remain unquestioned or unchallenged?

This is what I call a constructive, productive dialogue. Thank you.
What u quoted above was just my position regarding this "poligamy, what do u think?" thread. As a believer, I believe that it was allowed by Islam and God and Using my analizing skills i tried to figure out why was it allowed, and it made sense to me. Now, I am very very very different from some people who belive in something and try to enforce it on others. I hate when people tell me that Islam is a crap and I am a sicko, nor Do I tolerate when someone calls others names because they do not belong to a group of Muslims.

I highly respect ur opinion. I understand u. Trust me, I do:D

My place in brain and common sense agrees with you that Islam was a positive force during those times. But, the problem with any religion is that religion is resistant to change. People tend to frame their life around a certain dogma, which by the way has very good things (don't kill, don't steal, etc.), but which at the same time has many rules and guides, which are not reflective of current times. See my drift?

TR
I surely do see ur Drift. And it does not bother me. I am pro choice. If u want to worship a chair-go ahead and build a temple and worship it. If u r an atheist, good for u, I do not mind.
I am pro choice and Pro tolerance:D

[PainKiller]

I'm saying that poligamy is more about human nature than God's word. Is it not?

You're right I'm for male domination, but I however, do not condone stoning women, depriving them of their rights, or putting them in bee-keeper suits.
Does it make me a feminist? Well, you decide. ;)

TR
The Reaper, seriously, this post was not addressed to u, u got me all wrong:rolleyes:
well, this was addressed to those who conradict themselves by making posts about human rights, equality, freedom of women and are fighting with the "males dominate in islam" theory. Males indeed dominate in Islam, and if u do not like this fact, then something is really wrong with the way u understand ur religion. I am not against of male domination. In fact, I am all for it. xa-xa:D

[Royal]

Okay, so just because Islam was more "humane and democratic" than other tribes of Arabic Peninsula at those times, does it mean we still have to live by the same standards?
Does any one questions under what standard are You live ?
If people moved along with time and progress, why does religion have to remain unquestioned or unchallenged?
That is not Your concern and ability...
My place in brain and common sense agrees with you that Islam was a positive force during those times.
And that would be always..not even for blink would be changed....
But, the problem with any religion is that religion is resistant to change.
Who is try to think at least for blink of eye would be as kafir...
People tend to frame their life around a certain dogma, which by the way has very good things (don't kill, don't steal, etc.), but which at the same time has many rules and guides, which are not reflective of current times.
Everyone answers for own actions in own time and in own place..

Look at the mirror and judge, don't look to the people around You to judge.

Quran-i-Kareem and Hadis i Sharif was same for for almost 1500years, so InshaAllah would be the same in future...
See my drift?
You sh**t brain drifting lately, You follow ?

[anatoliydaev]

I've been here long enough to notice that out of your 9-something thousand posts, none of them made sense, this one being just another drop in the bucket.

How you manage to breathe without choking yourself is beyond me. :D

At least my "chicken shit" brain somehow manages to produce a meaningful, cohesive thought, while your mojo filled brain is somehow incapable of doing so. Must be chromosome difference, I guess.

TR
TR, let the recent confussion with Pope be a good example. Stop arguing with the narrow-, close-, feeble- and butt-minded who always misses the topic concerns, it indignantly catches few sentences and then use them for boasting.

[SmIlIk]

Where did I insult YOUR religion and belief? I just said that Islam was/is a male diminated religion. Is it not?



Dude, are you in your right mind? If you are having a hard time comprehending Quran and Hadith why don't you just spare your time and do something else? There is always a woman behind any man...
After what you have written my bullshit meter is jumping up high and down.


Allowed but not compulsory? I was talking about the reason WHY was it allowed. And if you think their sexual preference didn't have anything to do with it, fine, your choice. Are women in Islam allowed to have 4 husbands? Chances are, they are not. If yes, fine. If not, WHY aren't they allowed to have 4 husbands?


Men want to have limitless opportunities to bang as many women as possible, or have threesomes, foursomes etc. It's all about ego for some guys.


With all due respect, AREN'T you reffering to ISLAM? Even if you were right, some people, like you said, are not all that Islam represents. I am amased how narrow minded could your post go.

It seems like you have a hard time understanding Islam yet along following this thread. ACCORDING TO ISLAM IF a sexual preference is about to become priority, having more than 1 wife is off the table, honey. If first wife doesn't want her husband to marry anyone besides her, she can freely stated in her marriage contract. Marriage contract is a right of every muslim woman. Violation of is prosecuted, if not by those "some guys", definetely by Allah. For a person so passionately pro feminist, you should have known these rules.

Where did I say that threesomes or foursomes are mentioned in the Qoran or Hadis? I said having multiple sexual partners is, generally, one of men's fantasies. Islam, being a male dominated religion reflects it. Whether you like it or not, poligamy is about sex and male ego.

TR

Koran and Hadis were written by men who had same sexual preferences, and same penises as other "average" men.


Aren't you again 'letting us know' that Qoran and Hadith was written by men who fantasis about threesomes and foursomes? Justifying it with the Suras and Verses in Qoran and Hadith???? Correct me if I am wrong.

Since when in any dictionary threesomes and foursomes are interpreted as having more than one wife?

It doesn't reflect anything negative until someone like you or some greedy brainless millioner sheykh decides to do things his way.

[SmIlIk]

TR, let the recent confussion with Pope be a good example. Stop arguing with the narrow-, close-, feeble- and butt-minded who always misses the topic concerns, it indignantly catches few sentences and then use them for boasting.

Excuse me, what does Pope has to do with anything here? For a lot of people here you could be interpreted as a person you yourself described.

Admit it, this topic is way off your narrow mind box. It seems like TR and you cannot go far from sexual preferences.

[~Atirgul~]

I'm saying that poligamy is more about human nature than God's word. Is it not?

You're right I'm for male domination, but I however, do not condone stoning women, depriving them of their rights, or putting them in bee-keeper suits.
Does it make me a feminist? Well, you decide. ;)

TR
А кто знает лучше о природе человека чем сам Бог? Бог зная природу человека возможно разрешил полигамию для мужчин. Если заглянуть в историю даже в христианском государстве король имел фаворитку и незаконнорожденных детей, они были незаконнорождёнными именно потому что христианство отвергает полигамию. Если бы Аллах запретил полигамию тогда многие мужчины по своей природе все равно имелибы в тайне жен и детей но считались бы грешниками. Даже в наше время многие авторитеты имеют на стороне жен и детей, но почему они должны считаться незаконными, или почему чтобы женится на второй муж должен развестись с первой когда их связывают дети и если они сами этого нехотят. Просто вы сейчас размышляете только со своей позиции, возможно вы измените своё мнение когда вам будет лет 50 а может и раньше:) .

[PainKiller]

А кто знает лучше о природе человека чем сам Бог? Бог зная природу человека возможно разрешил полигамию для мужчин. Если заглянуть в историю даже в христианском государстве король имел фаворитку и незаконнорожденных детей, они были незаконнорождёнными именно потому что христианство отвергает полигамию. Если бы Аллах запретил полигамию тогда многие мужчины по своей природе все равно имелибы в тайне жен и детей но считались бы грешниками. Даже в наше время многие авторитеты имеют на стороне жен и детей, но почему они должны считаться незаконными, или почему чтобы женится на второй муж должен развестись с первой когда их связывают дети и если они сами этого нехотят. Просто вы сейчас размышляете только со своей позиции, возможно вы измените своё мнение когда вам будет лет 50 а может и раньше:) .

Kakie ujasnie slova, i eto pishet jenshina. Chto-to s vami tochno ne tak, esli vi mozhete tak krasivo rassujdat' o deleje semeynogo loja s drugoy jenshinoy....

[SmIlIk]

А кто знает лучше о природе человека чем сам Бог? Бог зная природу человека возможно разрешил полигамию для мужчин. Если заглянуть в историю даже в христианском государстве король имел фаворитку и незаконнорожденных детей, они были незаконнорождёнными именно потому что христианство отвергает полигамию. Если бы Аллах запретил полигамию тогда многие мужчины по своей природе все равно имелибы в тайне жен и детей но считались бы грешниками. Даже в наше время многие авторитеты имеют на стороне жен и детей, но почему они должны считаться незаконными, или почему чтобы женится на второй муж должен развестись с первой когда их связывают дети и если они сами этого нехотят. Просто вы сейчас размышляете только со своей позиции, возможно вы измените своё мнение когда вам будет лет 50 а может и раньше:) .

God did not allow poligamy to justify random wives and kids on a side. By saying this you are just proving TR's point.

[kingdom]

Oldinlari kup xotin olsa bulardi,sababi erkaklar baquvvat bulardi,:D
Hozirchi kup xotin naryoqda tursin ,bittasini boqolgan qandini ursin:lol:

[~Atirgul~]

Kakie ujasnie slova, i eto pishet jenshina. Chto-to s vami tochno ne tak, esli vi mozhete tak krasivo rassujdat' o deleje semeynogo loja s drugoy jenshinoy....
Жены пророка Мухамеда (сав) тоже делили ложе. Мусульманы не вправе обсуждать то что уже разрешено Аллахом, а остальным зелёный свет.

[SmIlIk]

Жены пророка Мухамеда (сав) тоже делили ложе. Мусульманы не вправе обсуждать то что уже разрешено Аллахом, а остальным зелёный свет.

Prophet's wives were priority and they were promised paradise by their husband's side for what they did. Even they were not perfect and were the reason why in the first place marrying more than 4 wives was restricted judging the situation back in those times.

Ostorozhno pered chem kak otdavat' drugim zeleniy svet. There is Quran that sets the limits, rules for a man who has intentions of marrying more than one wife. Based on that there is Shariah, there is Fiqh, Islamic lawers and there are scientists to be involved in decision making and implying Quran justly to our lives.

[Shawn]

Hmm, so far 65% forum members are against poligamy and 35% for it. 35% is a quite significant number though. I can understand male members, but why are some female members for it? Don't you ladies mind being a 2nd, 3rd, or 4th wife? Don't you ladies want to be the only loved ones to you husbands? I am just curios.

[anatoliydaev]

Excuse me, what does Pope has to do with anything here? For a lot of people here you could be interpreted as a person you yourself described.

Admit it, this topic is way off your narrow mind box. It seems like TR and you cannot go far from sexual preferences.

Personally, I think that what TR wrote before could not insult Islam. It was just clear explanation in his post why polygamy is allowed by the religion.
The laws in Islam are based on human preferences. It is fact. You can considered sexual preferences as one of those.
Also, I do not care what some people may think about me on this forum. Я же не могу всех одновременно одинаково удовлетворять. Пральна?

[SmIlIk]

Personally, I think that what TR wrote before could not insult Islam. It was just clear explanation in his post why polygamy is allowed by the religion.

Explanation according to his own views or explanation according to Islam?
World choice is also very important.


The laws in Islam are based on human preferences. It is fact. You can considered sexual preferences as one of those.
Since, Islam wouldn't state something that a human being could not handle, I will allow the possibility of your words being true. However, I do not see any facts in your statement either.

Also, I do not care what some people may think about me on this forum. Я же не могу всех одновременно одинаково удовлетворять. Пральна?

At the same time it doesn't give you any rights calling other forum users butt headed. That is a verbal abuse!! Correct me if I am wrong :)

[anatoliydaev]

Explanation according to his own views or explanation according to Islam?
World choice is also very important.


At the same time it doesn't give you the right calling other forum users butt headed. That is a verbal abuse!! Correct me if I am wrong :)
Yes, of course it is a verbal abuse this word is aimed to abuse, otherwise I would use different wording.
You are not wrong, I am not given the right to call people butt-headed, but believe me some people do really deserve this word.

[lost]

kayfiyatni buzdi kofirbachchala


Muhlis, threadizzi yoping savobga qolasiz

[PainKiller]

Жены пророка Мухамеда (сав) тоже делили ложе. Мусульманы не вправе обсуждать то что уже разрешено Аллахом, а остальным зелёный свет.
Ne kajdiy muzhchina prorok i smozhet sdelat' to chto delal on;
Prorok jenilsya po drugim motivam nejeli mnogie nineshnie muzchini.
Jeni proroka toje revnovali ego drug k drugu, eto fakt.
Show me a HUMAN who is as strong and fair in his deeds as Mohammed(s.a.w) and I will tell u that I was wrong when said marrying more than one is not the best idea. Lamers are around, Lamers are in crowd, lamers want more than one wife bringing Prophet as an example.
Some lamers even do not pray, but are pro poligamy)))))

[Gareeb]

Judayam-judayam ijobiy fikrdaman.Barcha qodir musulmonlarni
imkon bo'lsa 4tadan uylanishiga targ'ib qilaman.
Birodarlarimiz qamoqxonalarda o'lib ketyapti, ularning ayollariga kim qaraydi? 25-30 yosh orasidagi kelinchaklar hammasi, ularga ham er kerak axir.
Har bir ayol hech bo'lmaganda bir oyda bir marta er qo'ynida bo'lishni istaydi, adolat qilsangizlar bo'lmaydimi muhtarama opa-singillar.Axir o'zingiz ham ayolsizku, nahotki jinsdoshingiz tabiiy ehtiyojlarini tushunishni istamasangiz.

Ana endi , o'ldim.:D

[PainKiller]

Judayam-judayam ijobiy fikrdaman.Barcha qodir musulmonlarni
imkon bo'lsa 4tadan uylanishiga targ'ib qilaman.
Birodarlarimiz qamoqxonalarda o'lib ketyapti, ularning ayollariga kim qaraydi? 25-30 yosh orasidagi kelinchaklar hammasi, ularga ham er kerak axir.
Har bir ayol hech bo'lmaganda bir oyda bir marta er qo'ynida bo'lishni istaydi, adolat qilsangizlar bo'lmaydimi muhtarama opa-singillar.Axir o'zingiz ham ayolsizku, nahotki jinsdoshingiz tabiiy ehtiyojlarini tushunishni istamasangiz.

Ana endi , o'ldim.:D
Gareeb aka, ozingiz bir urnak korsatib bergaysiz unda, nima dediz?:)

[ДЖИГИТ]

Na etu temu sporit' ne nujno i bespolezno, kim nimani loyiq topsa shu ishni qiladi. Monogamist monogam ayolni topadi, polygamist poligamist ayolni topadi, shu bilan hamma bahtli. Na etu temu spor ne umesten. Eto kak "O vkusah ne sporyat".

[anatoliydaev]

Judayam-judayam ijobiy fikrdaman.Barcha qodir musulmonlarni
imkon bo'lsa 4tadan uylanishiga targ'ib qilaman.
Birodarlarimiz qamoqxonalarda o'lib ketyapti, ularning ayollariga kim qaraydi? 25-30 yosh orasidagi kelinchaklar hammasi, ularga ham er kerak axir.
Har bir ayol hech bo'lmaganda bir oyda bir marta er qo'ynida bo'lishni istaydi, adolat qilsangizlar bo'lmaydimi muhtarama opa-singillar.Axir o'zingiz ham ayolsizku, nahotki jinsdoshingiz tabiiy ehtiyojlarini tushunishni istamasangiz.

Ana endi , o'ldim.:D

Давай, дерзай, брат! Буду только рад и за тебя, и за четырех твоих жен.

[SAMARKANDI!]

polygamy - udel nedorazvitih soobshestv (gosudarstv). Africa - tomu yavny primer. vot bolshaya chast naseleniya ot spida i umiraet. :twisted:

So, according to ur words, Islamic society is nedorazvitiy? I would better look at the mind who said that word and then judge what was undeveleloped here.
If only your razvitiy mind or anyone else who thinks the same way would be able to create a VERSE, let alone a complete book, that made people follow it for centuries learning it by heart, fighting to death to spread it, building complete societies, reverting people from other beliefs, and up to this day stay as the fastest in reverting....... etc and etc, then surely i would give it a second thought.

Dear be careful when u use these kind of words regarding this issue, cuz it is in Quran and it is allowed by Allah Whom more than a billion people follow.

peace

[SAMARKANDI!]

Judayam-judayam ijobiy fikrdaman.Barcha qodir musulmonlarni
imkon bo'lsa 4tadan uylanishiga targ'ib qilaman.
Birodarlarimiz qamoqxonalarda o'lib ketyapti, ularning ayollariga kim qaraydi? 25-30 yosh orasidagi kelinchaklar hammasi, ularga ham er kerak axir.
Har bir ayol hech bo'lmaganda bir oyda bir marta er qo'ynida bo'lishni istaydi, adolat qilsangizlar bo'lmaydimi muhtarama opa-singillar.Axir o'zingiz ham ayolsizku, nahotki jinsdoshingiz tabiiy ehtiyojlarini tushunishni istamasangiz.

Ana endi , o'ldim.:D

InshaAllah

p.s. Give urself a credit brother, hali o'lgani qoymemiz:)

[The Reaper]

Dude, are you in your right mind? If you are having a hard time comprehending Quran and Hadith why don't you just spare your time and do something else?

I'm doing just that! :D
Some might think I'm criticizing, some might think I'm stirring sh*t, and some might think I'm just ignorant. Well, if that's the way things are, I guess I'm at least able not to walk in tact with the crowd, which makes me happy in my own little way.

Anyways...

Something is worth arguing about if your opponent at least sees the position you're coming from. You apparently skipped the whole meaning of my post. Instead of focusing your attention on the essence, you aimed at the formalities and verbage.

TR

[referee]

Oxirgi vaqtlarda O'zbekistonda ko'pxotinlikning o'sayotgani hech kimga sir emas. Shu bilan birgalikda oila baxtidan umidini uzgan, yolg'iz ayollar ham oz emas.
Ko'pxotinlikning asosan Ijtimoiy, Iqtisodiy, va Diniy/Madaniy iltizlari borligi shubhasiz.


For muslims, issues of marriage are explained and justified by their religion. Having up to four wives is a prescription in the Quran, so justifying it in economic or social terms/benefits does not show confidence in the religion.

Polygamy is a matter of person's conscience and religion, and as with many moral, human issues it can be prone to misuse or abuse. Our society should stop discussing if it's good or bad, but make sure that people who opt for polygamy do not enjoy their right (to four wives) by transpassing on other's rights (due and equal treatment and care). In my view, polygamy should be seen by muslim men as a grave responsibility, rather than an entertaining right. And only those who can shoulder such responsibility and are guided by noble goals, should be in the position of opting for it. In the end, it's between the man and his Ultimate Judge, who knows all!

[just_in]

Nima qilishsin, aqlan tushunib tursa ham qalban bu narsani qabul qila olmasa, yoki buyam bilimsizlik oqibatidamikan a? Balki ayollar yetarlicha bilimga ega bo'lganlarida...bunga qarshi bo'lmas edilarmikan? Lekin aql bilan ko'rgil ishining kelishib ish qilishi ancha amri mahol, qiyin:(:?. Lekin baribir ichdan zil o'tadi bu haqida o'ylaganda, sekingingina:"Alloh asrasin" deb qo'yadi odam. Qiyindeeee, vuy tasavvur ham qilgim kemaydiya. Alloh kechirsin!

[Mahmud]

Judayam-judayam ijobiy fikrdaman.Barcha qodir musulmonlarni
imkon bo'lsa 4tadan uylanishiga targ'ib qilaman.
Birodarlarimiz qamoqxonalarda o'lib ketyapti, ularning ayollariga kim qaraydi? 25-30 yosh orasidagi kelinchaklar hammasi, ularga ham er kerak axir.
Har bir ayol hech bo'lmaganda bir oyda bir marta er qo'ynida bo'lishni istaydi, adolat qilsangizlar bo'lmaydimi muhtarama opa-singillar.Axir o'zingiz ham ayolsizku, nahotki jinsdoshingiz tabiiy ehtiyojlarini tushunishni istamasangiz.

Ana endi , o'ldim.:D

Huddi o'zbek er-yigitlari urushga ketib, ayollar beva qolib ketayotgandek gapiribsizu mavlono!

falsafangizga qoyilman...

"........ bahona" degan o'zbek xalq maqoli bo'lardi :)

Agar bu maqolni bilmasangiz, "G'alati o'zbek maqollari" threadini ko'rib chiqing!!
Topasiz degan umiddaman...

[Maroon]

Hmm, so far 65% forum members are against poligamy and 35% for it. 35% is a quite significant number though. I can understand male members, but why are some female members for it? Don't you ladies mind being a 2nd, 3rd, or 4th wife? Don't you ladies want to be the only loved ones to you husbands? I am just curios.

You know why some of the female members are for it? My assumption is that they had never experienced it themselves. If any of you have PERSONAL (which means YOURSELF) experience, please share.

I hope before they marry other women, they do medical check-ups. Would be a shame if one them (even a virgin who has never had sexual intercourse has a possiblity of having a disease) had some kind of infection and the rest would be infected and suffer from it to. Just an advice if some of you for the future. Do not be insulted. It is coming from the heart.:)


Afterall we are all human beings and are not perfect and everyone knows deep inside that no matter how much you are for it , that it is rough and that you have to compromise a lot of things.

Maybe I would not care if I did not love my husband or even had an attachment to him like a person. Maybe some women who live in such a family don't and that is why they are ok with it.


Note to some: If you can not read English or do not understand the context of the post, do not bother answering.

[NozChik]

HH Nekogda, neskem i nezachto nebudu delit svoego budushego mija:) ;)

6 devushek za to chtobi delit s kem nebut svoih mujey:shock: , Nu ya skoju u vas samouvajenie:rolleyes: sovsem netuku:twisted:

[Пушкарева]

Gapirma, malish! Chto moyo, to moyo. :)

HH Nekogda, neskem i nezachto nebudu delit svoego budushego mija:) ;)

[NozChik]

Gapirma, malish! Chto moyo, to moyo. :)


Vo i ya ob etom.Muj eto je ne vesh kotoruyu mojno posle sebya otdat popolzovatsya komu nebud, naprimer u kogo eyo net:evil: Eto je nado takovo muje sebe naeti esho "Exponata" kotorie budet hodit ot odnoe k tretie vashebi srazu bi ubila:evil:
Kto sebya uvajaet tot na eto nekogda nepoedyot on i svoyu polovinu budet uvajat i lyubit:) ;)

[PainKiller]

HH Nekogda, neskem i nezachto nebudu delit svoego budushego mija:) ;)

6 devushek za to chtobi delit s kem nebut svoih mujey:shock: , Nu ya skoju u vas samouvajenie:rolleyes: sovsem netuku:twisted:

Ula uzlari birovning eriga tegib olgan bulsalar kerak...:(

[The Reaper]

http://www.ebaumsworld.com/forumfun/sucks3.jpg

TR

[PainKiller]

Как я уже говорила, в семье где все хорошо:любовь, понимание, уважение, страсть и тп и тп. иккинчи хотин, олтинчи эр небивает.:rolleyes:
If u r considering second or third marriages, it is time to throw a white flag in ur current relationship...

[NozChik]

Как я уже говорила, в семье где все хорошо:любовь, понимание, уважение, страсть и тп и тп. иккинчи хотин, олтинчи эр небивает.:rolleyes:
If u r considering second or third marriages, it is time to throw a white flag in ur current relationship...

Vot imenno gde ponemanie, laska i lyubov tam za drug druga kovo hochesh ubyut:). Esli nashol cheloveka po dushe to za nego nado derjatsya a ne prigat tuda slyuda. Nu a esli etogo net v semy to razvedis day cheloveku svabodu i gulyae sebe na storone skolko hochesh:evil:

[nemets]

Жалко что советская власть не выбила полностью идею многожёнства из узбекских голов. Кстати, даже в арабских странах многожёнство- очень редкое явление. Лидируют тут Сомали и Афганистан, и Узбекистан судя по опросу туда же катится. :(

[Student06]

I am for it! (and I am male) 13 24.53%
I am for it! (and I am female) 6 11.32%
These statistics are very sad
If we would have more people who think more progress maybe our country would develop much faster.

[UzbekGirlie]

I am for it! (and I am male) 13 24.53%
I am for it! (and I am female) 6 11.32%
These statistics are very sad
If we would have more people who think more progress maybe our country would develop much faster.

I agree 100%... I dont understand how are men can have such a backward mentality... I mean what if women decided to have 4 husbands would that be okay? of course not... So what makes polygamy okay for them? :D

[Lorelei]

Uffff....qani endi hamma sizga o'hshagan Sho'rolar davrini sog'inib ketganlar hammaligi bir bo'lib Shimoliy Koreyagami yoki Vetnamga survorishsa. O'zbekistonda hayotimiz qanchalik yahshi bo'lar edi. Shunchalik sog'indilami, Lenin dodelani, ana to'rt tarafila qibla (eh uzr, siz qibla nimaligini ham bilmasez kerak ooo), hech kim sizlarni ushlab turgani yo'q, aslida hursand bo'lamiz safarilar behatar bo'lsin, iloyim borgan joyilarda toshdek qotilar deb duo ham qilib yuboramiz, iltimos ketila O'zbekisotndan Kimmi qayoqqa haydayapsiz oka:lol: ? Hammasi chet eldaku uzi:lol: ? Uzbekistonda utirgan odam internetga kirmaydi ham, sizdaqalar bilan talashib utirmaydi ham. Tojik boyisa tom solar uzbek boyisa xotin olar degan maqolni eshitganmisilar qizlar? Bu erkak zoti shunaqa uzi, qancha ularni sevib, boru yug'ingizni bag'ishlasangiz, 2-3 ta bola qilib, oyoq qulingizni bog'lab oladida, tepangizga chiqib xo'rlay boshlaydi. Siz ham sal egoistlik qilib, uzizga qarab, boshqalarni ham qaratib yursangiz, sal pastroqda turib, sizga intilib yashaydi. Yog'ochning bo'shini qurt eydi doim...
Turmush urtoq tanlashda adashmanglar, miyasi, tajribasi rivojlanib ketganidan qochib, sal soddaroq, tajribasizroq er topilguncha sabr qilsanglar kam bo'lmaysizlar.

[lost]

I am for it! (and I am male) 13 24.53%
I am for it! (and I am female) 6 11.32%
These statistics are very sad
If we would have more people who think more progress maybe our country would develop much faster.

Global warming is also a big problem.But who is guilty? Definitely those, who are for poligamy.

What a "brilliant" logic.:)


If you claim that you are a muslim, you should not reject what is said in qur'an.
If you don't, do whatever you want :) (but then please, don't say that you are muslim : )

with all due respect,
lost

edit:this is my last post in this thread

[Cimkent]

Dinli dinsiz kim bo'lishidan qat'iy nazar bu zamonda bittasini evidan chiqish ham oson ish emas.

ko'pxotinlikni orqasida faqat nafsoniy istak tursa bundan foyda bo'lmaydi.
bitta turmush o'rtog'ining haq-huquqlariga to'liq rioya qilish va adolatli bo'lishning o'ziyoq musulmon uchun katta baxtdir aslida.

buni uhdasidan chiqolmaganning ko'pxotinlikni hayol qilishi ham balkim o'rinsidir.

[UzLand]

I agree 100%... I dont understand how are men can have such a backward mentality... I mean what if women decided to have 4 husbands would that be okay? of course not... So what makes polygamy okay for them? :D

There is wickedness in the intention of wickedness even though it may not perpetrated in the act:)

[UzLand]

I am indifferent (male)
I am indifferent (female)

деган жойлари кани бу суров тушмагурни?:)

[Royal]

Hmmmmm.....Daaaa....

Bizaniyam uyda hozir tortishuv ketvotti...

yengi moshina omoqchiydik : shuni kaliti kimda turishi keray, kim birinchi haydovchi sifatida bolishi kerak !!!???

shunga bosh qotvotti..

Nima qisa bolarkina shunga, 2ta moshina olishga pul yo, bittasini tepasidan shuncha galva...ehhhh..bosh ogrigi...

[Dil]

ikkinchi/uchinchi/to'rtinchi xotin bo'la olarmidingiz?Ikkinchi ,uchinchi, besh va oltinchi bulguvchilar soni juda ko'p , AMMO uzidan keyin keladig'on kundoshlarga kunuvchilar yoq,deyarli...Bulsa ham ,noilojlikdan kunishi mumkin ,halos.Hudo kursatmasin , shunday vaziyatga duch kelib qolsam, men har ikki holatga ham kunolmas edim.Bunaqa "baht"ning bahridan kechgan afzal.Shubhalar qurshovida yashash naqadar dahshat.Uzingiz uylang har safar ishdan boshqa yumushlar bilan kech kelsangiz , hotiningiz (har ikkisi ham) shubha bilan qaraydi.. Yuzingizga aytmasa ham, bildirmasa ham , zukko bulsangiz uning ishonchsizlik nazarini , ung'aysizlanayotganini, siz bilan samimiy bula olmayotganini tezda ilg'aysiz.. Kimdir buni engib keta oladi, kimdir bu shubhalarni yoza biladi,lekin buni payqamaydiganlar janjallashib,kayfiyatlar buziladi,sovuqchilik tushadi vahokazo...
Birovning bahtini ustida baht qurib ,buni savob deb bilmoqlik tug'rimikin? Albatta men bundan mustasno qilguvchi sabablarni keltirmadim.Chunki, aminmanki, Uzbekistondagi kuphotinlik holati aynan savob uchun, yoki ayollarimizning soni kupayib ,qizlar utirib qolayotgani uchun emas, balki achchiq bulsa ham tan olish kerak, hotinidan ham ruhan va jismonan qoniqa olmaslikdan vujudga kelmoqda. Bu borada men na erlarni va na hotinlarni oqlay olaman.Hammasi yana usha yoshlikda olgan tarbiyaga, TO'G'RI tarbiyaga bog'liqligicha qolmoqda.
"Qurbim etsa ikkisini eplayman!" degan boyvochchalarga :):
Shaksiz pulingiz kup, mehr va himmatingiz serobdir ,balki. Ammo Sizni sevgan ayolni qalbini ,o'ksik yuragini bu bilan tuldira olmaganingiz kabi, eri "yagonam",deb suyayotgan dugonalariga havas bilan qarab, qarib borayotgan mungli nigohiga malham ham bulolmaysiz.


Iloyim har bir kishi o'z jufti haloliga boshqa hech kim bera olmaydigan his -tuyg'ularni ulashish nasib qilsin..

[Royal]

Dil

Thanks berdim, yana BAN bervormen...

[referee]

I agree 100%... I dont understand how are men can have such a backward mentality... I mean what if women decided to have 4 husbands would that be okay? of course not... So what makes polygamy okay for them? :D

Sorry but this view is a tunnel vision perspective. Following such logic, one could ask why men would want to have a wife at all, why not to have affairs, no commitment no pain, pure pleasure. Or, why should provide for a family, when he could just charm a lady, impregnate her and leave her to her own devices.

The reason why Muslims do not follow the logic above is because they believe that is what distinguishes them from animals, uncivilised barbarians or modern men with backward mentality; that is according to our Holy Quran and Sunna.

What makes people believe that following the word of Allah is backward? And according to whom or what source has it become backward to follow the divine guideance? IS IT NOT BACKWARD TO FOLLOW THE LOGIC OF MERE HUMANS, EVEN THOUGH THEY CLAIM TO BE "MODERN":shock:

[Student06]

Global warming is also a big problem.But who is guilty? Definitely those, who are for poligamy.

What a "brilliant" logic.:)


If you claim that you are a muslim, you should not reject what is said in qur'an.
If you don't, do whatever you want :) (but then please, don't say that you are muslim : )

with all due respect,
lost

edit:this is my last post in this thread

Do you believe in evolution?
If yes
How can a Muslim person not reject it????

Sometimes religion and reality are in disagreement so you have to choose reality.

[MirzoBobur]

Hmm, hamma erkeyla shuni hohlasa kerak o'zi :rolleyes:
Diniy jihatdan bo'lsa, 1-ayolizdan ruhsat olishiyz kerey yana hotinlik bo'lish uchun, ruhsat ololarmikinsiz :rolleyes:
Ayol kishi muhabbatini 3-4taga bo'lishni istamasa kerak, erkaklarga o'hshab. Er berish jon berish, diyishadiyuu


MIzobek shunchaki yozgan bo'lishlai mumkin, men o'ylashimcha ko'pchilik yoshlar bitta ayolni etarlik deb bilashadi, men o'zim esa oydek ayolim asal qizim bor...nima desam LABBAY deb turgan bo'lsa, menga boshqa ayolni nima keragi bor.

Puli ko'payib bosar tusarini bilmay qolgan kishi ikkinchi xotinni o'ylab qoladi meni fikrimcha

[Inspiredmind]

MIzobek shunchaki yozgan bo'lishlai mumkin, men o'ylashimcha ko'pchilik yoshlar bitta ayolni etarlik deb bilashadi, men o'zim esa oydek ayolim asal qizim bor...nima desam LABBAY deb turgan bo'lsa, menga boshqa ayolni nima keragi bor.

Puli ko'payib bosar tusarini bilmay qolgan kishi ikkinchi xotinni o'ylab qoladi meni fikrimcha

wrong idea. sorry, kimki 2 hotinlikni yomon deb bilsa, OLLOH kilgan halol ishni va to'gri ishni rad kilgan bo'ladi. there must not be disput here , that is polygamy is yomon or yaxshi, ALLAH already decided it a long time ago,,, all muslims must accept polygamy , whoever you are, why? there is only one answer, KURAN says so, thats ALLAH's word, it is so simple that is it, FINISH this topic pls.

hurmat ila,

[Dil]

[/B][/I]

wrong idea. sorry, kimki 2 hotinlikni yomon deb bilsa, OLLOH kilgan halol ishni va to'gri ishni rad kilgan bo'ladi. there must not be disput here , that is polygamy is yomon or yaxshi, ALLAH already decided it a long time ago,,, all muslims must accept polygamy , whoever you are, why? there is only one answer, KURAN says so, thats ALLAH's word, it is so simple that is it, FINISH this topic pls.

hurmat ila,Uzr aralashganim uchun, fikr keb qoldi.

Kuphotin olinsin, deb Alloh aytmagan bilishimcha.Balki o'sha davr muhitidan kelib chiqib, urushlar va qurbon bulgan erkaklar kupligi , ularning ayollari beva bulib , boquvchisiz qolganligidan,va usha ayollarni qullarida hunarlari yoqligi bois , oilani tebreatish maqsadida fohishabozlikkacha borganliklari, buni orqasida harom harish kupayib ketganidan,qolaversa esingizda bo`lsa , Ibrohim S,A.V davrlarda arab mamlakatlarida qizlar tug'ilsa tiriklayin kumishgan,bu ham usha vaqtlarda dunyoda qizlarnin tugilish darajasini yuqoriligidan darak beradi.Shuning uchun ham, bulsa kerak keyinchalik payg'ambarimiz Muhammad S.A.V demografik jarayonni chamalab , bir erkakka 4 tagacha hotin MUMKIN, ekanligini sunnat , deb belgilab bergan bulsalar , ne ajab (Uzb-nni demografik sharoitida har bitta erkakka 1,4 dan ayol tug'ri kelar ekan). Bu degani uylanishi SHART , degani emas-ku. Yoki Farz qilinganmi 4 taga uylanish?

Keyin...,14 asrning hayosini qurol bilib ,eridan boshqa hech kimga suyana bilmagan, ota ona uyidan chiqib ketgach, usha honadonga qaytishga haqqi yoqligini tushungan iymoni kuchli arab ayollari bilan, 21 asrning uziga ishongan, eri bulmasa ota onasiga, ota onasi bulmasa, uzini uzi suyashga qodir, kezi kelsa (ming afsuski)qoplar kutarib , erkaklarni ham yulda qoldira biladigan , boshqa holatlarda esa evropalashaman deb evropalasholmagan, sharq bulib sharqona bula olmayotgan arosatdagi uzbek ayollarining urtasida osmon bilan erchalik farq bor.

Man kuphotinlik yomon , nohaq buyurilgan deyishdan yiroqman. Bosh egaman usha arab mamlakatlaridagi tarbiyaga. Chunki ayollari itoatli va dono. Bilasizmi , nimaga? Chunki yigitlarni ruhan kuchli, manaviy boy, madaniyatli otalar, qizlarini esa hayoli, e'tiborli,juftini oilaning ustuni , deb biladigan halol va donishmand onalar tarbiya qiladilar.

Mavzudan chetlashmay, qisqasi aytmoqchimanki, kuphotinlik bizning mamlakatda juda kam hollarda uzini oqlaydi.Chunki , bizning ayollarnin dunyoqarashi bilan bu kup hollarda fojeaga , harom harishga olib kelishi mumkin. Keyin bizda haqiqiy taqvo qilganlar kam. Pora olayotganda,kibrlanayotganda , yoki birovning hotiniga suqlanib qarayotganida, kimgaqdir yolgonlar bichib,yoki bulmasa qadahlar bir biriga tegayotganida Allohni kalomini unutishadi-yu,bir yoshroooq guzalinani kurib, nafslari kuchlilik qilganida, Alloh eslariga tushib qoladi. Bunaqalarni munofiq,arosatda qolganlar deyishadi.

Nafs yulida Allohni buyrugini qurol qilib ishlatish mumkinmikin? Uzrli sabablar bundan mustasno,albatta.Zero , Muhammad Mustafo S.A.V hazratlari ham 4 tagacha uylanish mumkin , degan sunnatni arosatda qolgan chalalarga emas, balki haqiqiy taqvo yulini ushlagan iymoni kuchli solih erkaklarni nazarda tutgan bulsalar, ajab emas. Taqvo qiling, ayolingizni hurmatini shundayin qozoning-ki , toki uning uzi bir bechorani kurganida rahmi kelib "Sizga shu ayolni olib beraman , dadasi, savob buladi ," deb siz kunmasangiz ham uylantirib quysin:)) ( O'lsa ham bizani uzbeklar , hotini topganiga uylanmasa kerak)

Bu meni ojizona fikrim edi ,balki adashgandirman qaysidir holatlarda... shuning uchun uzr surayman.

[Royal]

[/B][/I]

wrong idea. sorry, kimki 2 hotinlikni yomon deb bilsa, OLLOH kilgan halol ishni va to'gri ishni rad kilgan bo'ladi. there must not be disput here , that is polygamy is yomon or yaxshi, ALLAH already decided it a long time ago,,, all muslims must accept polygamy , whoever you are, why? there is only one answer, KURAN says so, thats ALLAH's word, it is so simple that is it, FINISH this topic pls.

hurmat ila,

Bu yerda hamma ozini tushunchasi yani ayollarimiz ozlarini tushunchalari, yani "maniki" degan tushuncha bilan fikr bildirishvotti...buni aybi yoq..
lekin har doim ham "hayot" ni ham tushunish kerak..demak shundoq bolishi kerak deyilgan bolsa shundoq boladi...erkak kochaniki...erkakni "boshqarish" ham osha ayolni oz qolida......kundoshlik tushunchasi ayol kishiga qanchalik ogir bolishini birinchi ayol qanchalik oziga ogir bilsa, demak bu tushuncha shunchalik ikkinchi ayolga ham ogir boladi..buni ham tushunish ham kerak...
hamma ayol ham ozini bahtlik yani oz "ojiz boshi"da bir erkagi bolishini hohliydi...buni inkor etuvchi bormikin dunyoda ???

Ayollar (ba'azida erkaklar ham , ozlarini ohirgi madaniyt tushunchalari ila, bu ayibmas, bu tushunmslik bilan bilmaslikdan) shu tushunchalari asosida bilip bilmagan holda, "Ollohga shukir" qilmasdan shirkka yol qoyishvotti....Olloh ozi kechirsin bilip bilmiew qilgan qunohlarimizni, ilohim.

Nima deyilgan bosa osha boladi, buni inson ona qornida bolganini ozida taqdiri yozib qoyilgan...Ollohga shukir deyishdan boshqa iloj YOQ.

Hayotiy masalarni hammasini bahslashish mumkin nima mumkinu nima mumkinmas , lekin dinimizda etilganmi demak bunda munozaragayu bahsga hojat yoq...

bu mani fikrim, yana togrisini Olloh bilguvchidir.

[Royal]

..... Taqvo qiling, ayolingizni hurmatini shundayin qozoning-ki , toki uning uzi bir bechorani kurganida rahmi kelib "Sizga shu ayolni olib beraman , dadasi, savob buladi ," deb siz kunmasangiz ham uylantirib quysin:)) ( O'lsa ham bizani uzbeklar , hotini topganga uylanmasa kerak).....
Bunday holatlar bolgan tarihda...

Dinimzida 4 tagacha uylanish mumkin deyilgandagi holatga juda kotta va kop oz qonunu qoidalari mavjudki, bularni hammasini ham bajarish ancha muncha musulmonni qolidan kemiydi....avvalambor birinchi ayolni ruhsati kerak boladi, demak birinchi hotin oz ruhsatini berish kerak boladi, ikkinchisiga yashiriqcha uylanmasdan ilgari...

[Gareeb]

Agar ayollar ko'pxotinlikning faqat o'zlarigagina foydaligini bilganlarida edi dunyo bo'ylab hamma dawlatlarda feminist tashkilotlarning Ko'pxotinlikni qonuniylashtirish uchun kurashlari awj olib ketgan bo'lar edi.:)

[Dil]

Agar ayollar ko'pxotinlikning faqat o'zlarigagina foydaligini bilganlarida edi dunyo bo'ylab hamma dawlatlarda feminist tashkilotlarning Ko'pxotinlikni qonuniylashtirish uchun kurashlari awj olib ketgan bo'lar edi.:)
Siz kech auylanib, kim quyibdi kuphotinlik haqida o`ylashga:lol: Bunaqangi threadlardan uzoqroqda,hayotizni eng shirin lahzalarinini in'om etganiga shukr qilmiysilami..

[Dil]

Bunday holatlar bolgan tarihda...

Dinimzida 4 tagacha uylanish mumkin deyilgandagi holatga juda kotta va kop oz qonunu qoidalari mavjudki, bularni hammasini ham bajarish ancha muncha musulmonni qolidan kemiydi....avvalambor birinchi ayolni ruhsati kerak boladi, demak birinchi hotin oz ruhsatini berish kerak boladi, ikkinchisiga yashiriqcha uylanmasdan ilgari...
Tarihda yashamayapmiz-ku,aka..Bugungi kundan kelib chiqib bir maslahatizni bering, Uylanarmidiz savob uchun kennoyim sizga bir bechorani etaklab kelsa.. savob ku bu?

[Dil]

Bunday holatlar bolgan tarihda...



Keyin.... yana usha bizani tarihda , bizani uzbeklar ,o'sha hon va beklar ikkinchi ,uchinchi hotinlikka eng yosh , eng guzal va bokira qizlarni tanlashgan.. Kambagal ota onalar esa qizlarini sotishgan. Buni savobidan kura gunohi ko'proq emasmi??? Fojealar, fitna fasod, harom harish usha davrlardan boshlangan.. kuphotinlikni bizani yurtda notug'ri tushunishgan .Notog'ri qullanilganligi bois,kup hollarda ayni yoshligi avjiga chiqqanida cholga kenja hotin bulgan honzodalarni , uylariga yo'qlagani paranji tagida dugonalari emas uynashlari kelishgan....nasl usha vaqtda buzila boshlagan..

[Cimkent]

ko'pxotinlikka ruhsat tegsa butun ayol zoti birbiriga kundosh bo;'lib qolmaydiku.
axir birinchi ayolning ruhsati degandek formalnostlarni birnecha kishi eslatdiku.
keyin ko'pxotinlik arab urfidan kelibn chiqqan narsa emas. olamshumul din ruhsati.

hamma narsaning asli bo'lganday qalbakisi ham bo'ladi. qalbakisi chiqdi deb asliga hujum qilish g'arazdandir?

[Dil]

.
keyin ko'pxotinlik arab urfidan kelibn chiqqan narsa emas. olamshumul din ruhsati.

hamma narsaning asli bo'lganday qalbakisi ham bo'ladi. qalbakisi chiqdi deb asliga hujum qilish g'arazdandir?Astag'firillah!Hech kim arab urfidan kelib chiqilgan demadi. "Urf" degan suzni uzi yoq.Lekin Qur'an Makkada nozil bulib arab tilida kelganini, Muhammad S.A.V arab bo`lganliklarini, dinga birinchi arablar kirib butun dunyoga(Alhamdulillah) tarqatganliklarini inkor etolmaysiz.

[Gareeb]

Siz kech auylanib, kim quyibdi kuphotinlik haqida o`ylashga:lol: Bunaqangi threadlardan uzoqroqda,hayotizni eng shirin lahzalarinini in'om etganiga shukr qilmiysilami..

Moderatorman deb bemalol shaxsiyatga tegishni sizga kim qo'yibdi opa.

Uning ustiga Olamlar Robbisi, Yaratuvchimiz bir narsani halol qilganda , uni har tomondan chaynab, noqis fikrlarimiz bilan hukm chiqarish bizgamikin?
Ko'pxotinlikka Islomiy nuqtayi nazar bilan yondoshganlar noshukr ekanligini endi bilippan.Mantig'izga qoyile LOL.

[Dil]

Moderatorman deb bemalol shaxsiyatga tegishni sizga kim qo'yibdi opa.

Uning ustiga Olamlar Robbisi, Yaratuvchimiz bir narsani halol qilganda , uni har tomondan chaynab, noqis fikrlarimiz bilan hukm chiqarish bizgamikin?
Ko'pxotinlikka Islomiy nuqtayi nazar bilan yondoshganlar noshukr ekanligini endi bilippan.Mantig'izga qoyile LOL. Astag'firillah! Jahlingizdan tushing, bek. Shahsiyatingizga tegadigan gap yozmadim, hazilni tushunish kerak.Hamma narsani vaqt soati bor , bu mening fikrim.,Moderatorligim ham esimda yoq, e'tibor qilgan bulsangiz ban berishdan tuhtaganman:)

P.S: Mening fikrim noqis bo'lsa , Sizniki to'kis bulaqolsin :).Yozilganlarni chala uqiganingizdan, meni hukm chiqardiga chiqarib yubordingiz-a, qoyil.Hazilga hazil bilan javob qilishni qachon urganishadi ekan-a:)

Allah Sizdan rozi bulsin..

[Shokirbek]

Siz kech auylanib, kim quyibdi kuphotinlik haqida o`ylashga:lol: Bunaqangi threadlardan uzoqroqda,hayotizni eng shirin lahzalarinini in'om etganiga shukr qilmiysilami