Malazgirt savashi hakkinda

[Sagittarius]

Turklere bir soruyum var. Ruslarda tartar ve Shvedlerle olan savashlari chok propoganda edilir, chunku bu savashlar rus halkina istiklal verdi.

Siz ne fikrdesiniz Malazgirt savashi hakkinda?neyi hissedersiniz? Hepsiniz biliyirmusunuz bu savash hakkinda?

[erk]

Turklere bir soruyum var. Ruslarda tartar ve Shvedlerle olan savashlari chok propoganda edilir, chunku bu savashlar rus halkina istiklal verdi.

Siz ne fikrdesiniz Malazgirt savashi hakkinda?neyi hissedersiniz? Hepsiniz biliyirmusunuz bu savash hakkinda?

1071 tarihli Malazgirt savasi ile Turkler Anadoluya akmaya bashlamistir. Binlerce Orta Asyali Turk Anadolunun fethi icin batiya akin etmistir. O zamanlarda Ozbek diye bir boy olmadigi icin goc edenler ayni zamanda bugunku Ozbeklerin ve tum Turklerin atalari idi.

[Seckjin Khan]

Anadolu Türkleşti ve Tarihin seyri değişti.

Anadolu Türkleri için önemli bir savaştır...

[Tabriz_Han]

MALAZGIRT
:cool:

http://img469.imageshack.us/img469/3499/2095971148999877large5ng.jpg

[Seckjin Khan]

Hilal'le dört tarafı çevrilen Bizanslılar'ın işi bitmişti ;)

[Kaptan-i Derya]

tabriz_han baya sevmis o resimi görüldügü gibi, CGsociety'ye üye ol orda cok bu resimden ;)

1071 Türkiye'de yasayan Türkler icin bir miladdir ve Türklerin dünya'da söz sahibi olmak icin attiklari en büyük adimlardan biridir.

[Tabriz_Han]

Bu resimme baayiliyorum Kenaney, bunun gibi baskalarda varmi? bizimle paylasana :D

Malazgirt savashi Anadolunun Turk yurdu olan gunu ifade eder, tum Turk milletin sereflli zaferini kutluyorum.

[Sagittarius]

Tabriz Han, the wallpaper you have posted is for 3 days on my desktop. (juda yahshi ishlangan, designerga rahmat)

Turkiy halklar shimdiki ozbekistanda miladdan once vardi.

Seljuklar shimdiki Harezmliklerinde atalari.
Ben Tashkentliyim, benimki Karahanlilardir :)
Karakhans kicked out your ancestors from Central Asia :) (joking, but that's true)

[Sagittarius]

offtop:the reason why I am so interested in Turks history is that I am inspired the numerous empires made by turks. Turks were really brave and probably the best warriors. It is very difficult to imagine that Iran, Afghanistan, India were ruled by turkic minorites for last 1000 years.

but in culture, turks were very poor.Persians are really popular for their rich culture. Many, too many nations gained from them. They should be proud of that

Ontop: Avrupanin fikri ne bu savash hakkinda?

[Tabriz_Han]

Sagittarius
Karakhans kicked out your ancestors from Central Asia (joking, but that's true)

:lol: :P

Biz Turklerin yuvasini buyutuk :D

http://img57.imageshack.us/img57/7199/turkmap9vf.jpg

[Tabriz_Han]

Sagittarius, orginally Turks were Nomadic-Semi/Nomadic, what "settled" people called culture and our ideals of culture and philosophy were different.

What is amazing is that we Turks the "STORM ON HORSEBACK" after conquering such vast terrortory and entering new regions realised that we had to dominate "settled" culture as we did to "Nomadic/Semi-Nomadic".

In the past thousand years we also contributed alot of culture and world culture.

We developed a great literary language, remember 1500 years ago Turkish wasn't an influential language "world-wide"(the known world), however, from a position of having no literary language we now have one of the Richest languages in the world.

In the past thousand years we elevated Turkish to being among the most important languages of the Islamic world, in the muslim world Turkish took a place with Arabic and Persian as a major language.

Our great literary genius', Nava'i, Lufti, Fuzulli, Nedim, Kasgarli Mahmud, Babur Han, Yunus Emre, Baki, Mehmet Akif Ersoy etc etc..... and internationally recognised literature now like Nazim Hikmet, Bakhtiyar Vahabzade, Sehriyar, Cingiz Ataymov, Yasar Kemal, (Orhan Pamuk :lol:)

Our contributions to philosophy, Tarkhan Uzlug FARABI, Yusuf Has Hajib, Ahmed Yasavi, Haci Bektashi Veli, NASREDDIN HODJA ...... and so on.

Our contributions to music, we were always great at music even in our nomadic period. The Kopuz is the ancestor of today's Baglama's, Tanbur, Dombra, Ud and so on. We had "millitary bands" since the times of the Huns. Millitary bands were used by Turkic armies and when Europeans saw the Ottomans Millitary bands they were inspired and influenced heavily by it.



"Turkish music", in the sense described here, is not really music of Turkey, but rather a musical style that was occasionally used by the European composers

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turkish_music_%28style%29


Example

Mozart


The Piano Sonata in A, K. 331 (1778) ends with the famous rondo marked "Alla Turca", "in the Turkish style". Rapid arpeggios in the left hand are used to imitate the "Turkish" instruments. The imitation probably came closer with the piano of Mozart's day, whose bass strings made something of a rattle when played loudly, than is possible on modern instruments.

The finale of the Violin Concerto No. 5 in A major K. 219 (1775), sometimes called the "Turkish" Concerto, is interrupted by a loud episode of Turkish music. Mozart adapted this passage from an earlier ballet, "Le gelosie del seraglio" ("The Jealousies of the Seraglio") K. 135a, composed for Milan in 1772. In the concerto, the cellos and double basses add to the percussive effect by playing their instruments coll' arco al roverscio, that is to say, col legno, striking the strings with the wood of the bow.



The cultural influence at first involved actual importation of Turkish musicians, as Henry George Farmer relates:

The credit for having introduced this battery of percussion and concussion into Europe usually goes to Poland which, in the 1720's, had received a full Turkish band from the Sultan. Russia, not to be outdone, sought a similar favour of the Sublime Porte in 1725, Prussia and Austria following suit, and by the 1770's most other countries had fallen under the sway of Janissary Music.


Turkish influence introduced the cymbals, bass drum, and bells into the symphony orchestra, where they remain.



Our contributions to FOOOOOOOOD :P today Turkish cusine is noted as being the three top cusine's of the world.

We introduced Yogurt and Yogurt dishes, Cheese, various starters like Dolma's, Boreks, Coreks, various Breads, various meat dishes, Sashlik/Kebab's, Kavurma's and so on... various deserts like Baklava, Turkish delight etc, various Pilaf foods, like Ozbek Pilavi etc various Soups/Chorba's, various drinks like Ayran, Kimiz, Turkish Coffee etc etc

Then contributions to fashion, culture, the arts and so on, the kaftans, kalpaks, Ebru art, Turkic carpet weaving, Metalworking, Jewellry, wood-carving, world-class architecture and so on...

First rocket powered flight, first mechanical flight, invention of the "crankshaft" (a great discovery of engineering) first mental hospitals, first free schools and hospitals for citizens, the great Ulugh Bey's discoveries, musical discoveries for example Amir Khushraw invented Hindustani Classical music so we also helped others, there are many many more examples.

Turks contributed so much to culture, sadly alot of us are un-aware and not promoting this well enough, we really need to work together and promote this.

Our achievement as the Turk nation is simply amazing, from where we were to where we have come is an amazing journey, however, our journey still continues hopefully we can be as dynamic as our forefathers.



Below is a very good article



A special feature article in Cornucopia 33:

A THOUSAND YEARS OF SPLENDOUR

John Carswell’

http://www.cornucopia.net/abouttec.html

[Bilge_Kagan]

Avrupanin fikri ne bu savash hakkinda?

Boyle bir savasin oldugunu dahi bilmiyorlar. Keza, kendi tarihlerini de bilmiyor cogu, Turkiye'deki gibi...Garipsenecek bir durum degil.

Malazgirt savasi Turkiye'de Istanbul'un fethiyle birlikte en cok propagandasi yapilan savastir, hakli olarak. Tek yanlis olan, bu savasin onlarca yildir okul tarih kitaplarinda "ve bu savasla Anadolu'nun kapilari Turklere acildi", "Iki ordu Malazgirt denilen yerde karsilasti", "Alparslan esirlere cok iyi davrandi" gibi klise cumlelerle anlatilmasi ve savasin tekduzelestirilmesidir.

[borcugin]

S.A.

Bu savaştan önce Anadolu'nun kuzeyinden ve içinden Bizans yani Doğu Roma İmparatorluğu zayıflatılmıştır. Ancak; bu savaş ile Bizans çok zayıf duruma düşerek Anadolu'daki hükümranlığından resmen vazgeçmiştir. Bu savaşın en ilginç özelliklerinden birisi de, Hıristiyan inançlı olmalarına karşın Peçenek, Uz, Kıpçak ve Gagauz Türklerinin, Selçuk Türkleriyle tam bir yardımlaşma ve işbirliği içinde olmalarıdır. Hatta bazı tarihçiler savaşın kırılma noktasının Hıristiyan inançlı Türklerin Müslüman inançlı Türklerin safına geçmesini gösterirler. Savaş savaştır, yabancı ülkelerde bu savaştan söz edilmemesi diye bir şey tarih bilimi açısından söz konusu değildir. Önemli bir savaştır ve tarih bilimi dışında söz edilmemesi ise göreceli bir olaydır.

Tarih bilimi açısından Bedr, Uhud savaşlarından daha stratejik sonuçları bakımından daha önemli kabul edilir. Roma İmparatorluğunu yıpratan, parçalamaya zemin hazırlayan üç savaş vardır. Attila ile Roma Savaşı, Malazgirt ve İstanbul'un fethi. Bu konuyla ilgili olarak tarih kitaplarını karıştırırsanız Roma'yı yıpratan, yıkılma sinyallerini veren ve sonunda da tarih sahnesinden silen bu üç savaş oldukça ayrıntılı olarak işlenir.

Selametle.

[oğuz]

Bilge hoşgeldin...

Aynı zamanda ;Hilal şeklinde (Resimde görüldüğü gibi) düşmanı kurt kapanına alması,Alparslanın cuma günü askerlerine hitap etmesi ve bu forumdan öğrendiğim,Bizans ordularının içindeki Türk soylu askerlerin savaşta taraf değiştirmeleri...:cool: