Barack Obama - The 44th President of the USA !!!

[Asadbek]

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BARACK OBAMA, one of the Democrats’ leading stars, said yesterday that he was considering a 2008 presidential run, a move that would present Hillary Clinton with a formidable rival for the party’s nomination.

source: http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,11069-2417308.html


2008 yilda bo'lib o'tadigan US-Prezidentligiga saylovlarda hozirda Illinois shtati senatori bo'lgan 45 yoshli afro-amerikan Barack Obama Demokratlar orasidan Hillary Clinton uchun asosiy raqib bo'lishi, hatto demokratlarning saylov uchun asosiy nomzodi bo'lishi ham mumkin ekan.

Bu siyosatchi haqida qiziqqanlar bormi?
U haqda, uning Prezidentlik uchun imkoniyatlari haqida nima fikrdasiz?

[Крейсер]

Асадбек,
я читал, что его сравнивают с Биллом Клинтоном, в том смысле что он очень обоятельный.

Посмотрел его речи и честно скажу, что до Клинтона ему очень, ну очень, далеко. Я был очень удивлен сравнением.

Думаю его не выберут от демократов и вообще не выберут, если конечно не найдут что-то очень черное про Хиллари или др. кандидатов. Обама просто шоу, что Америка рассматривает и черных кандидатов. А вообще из Африка американ, хороший кандидат получился бы из Колина Пауелла, но он на это не пойдет.

[corsair]

no...
he cant make it!
i think there are more white and latino americans then black americans, i dont think they will vote for afro-american.
ya ne rasist no chto pravda to pravda, ego mogu dovedut za ruchki do finala no vigrayet beliy amerikanetc, a patom skajut - vot kak u nas vse demokratichno, u kajdogo est shans, segodnya u nashego afro-amer ne mnogo ne poluchilos...

[Iqbol]

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2008 yilda bo'lib o'tadigan US-Prezidentligiga saylovlarda hozirda Illinois shtati senatori bo'lgan 45 yoshli afro-amerikan Barack Obama Demokratlar orasidan Hillary Clinton uchun asosiy raqib bo'lishi, hatto demokratlarning saylov uchun asosiy nomzodi bo'lishi ham mumkin ekan.

Bu siyosatchi haqida qiziqqanlar bormi?
U haqda, uning Prezidentlik uchun imkoniyatlari haqida nima fikrdasiz?
His career is really interesting and can be example for many. But I don't think that he can be a president in coming years. Charism and intellect are not among the most important criterias in US, or in any other, elections

[Frida]

His father is African (from Africa, not african-american) and was some ivy-league graduate and Obama also graduated from some ivy-league. So you cant even imagine him to relate himself to simple black americans. Bet he has no idea what welfare means :D He would make a great vice-president though, he surely has some charisma.

[Iqbol]

His father is African (from Africa, not african-american) and was some ivy-league graduate and Obama also graduated from some ivy-league. So you cant even imagine him to relate himself to simple black americans. Bet he has no idea what welfare means :D He would make a great vice-president though, he surely has some charisma.

He is from Harvard,If am not wrong. This is his first book, or his autobiography:
Amazon.com: Dreams from My Father: A Story of Race and Inheritance: Books: Barack Obama

[Arhimed]

Kinky Friedman, that is the way:lol:

[Iqbol]

He is not that Black in the final count :)

[Frida]

Kinky Friedman, that is the way:lol:

Let him first get TX, then maybe for the next elections... :D

[Iqbol]

Atpaint, do you want Barak as a president.
May be he will bring, at ast, that baraka needed for your country :)

[Frida]

Atpaint, do you want Barak as a president.
May be he will bring, at ast, that baraka needed for your country :)

Maybe we should get him then?? :lol: cause seems like we are more desperate for "baraka" than US. Otherwise what are you doing in this 'baraka'less country?? :cool:

[Iqbol]

Maybe we should get him then?? :lol: cause seems like we are more desperate for "baraka" than US. Otherwise what are you doing in this 'baraka'less country?? :cool:

sogliqlariz yahshimi? uy ichilar tinchmi?

[Hopeful]

He is from Harvard,If am not wrong. This is his first book, or his autobiography:
http://www.amazon.com/Dreams-My-Father-Story-Inheritance/dp/1400082773/sr=8-2/qid=1161831538/ref=pd_bbs_2/002-2325938-0179248?ie=UTF8&s=books

You are right.He is a cum laude graduate of Harvard Law School. He was the first black editor of prestigious Harvard Law Review. Actually, he is half black and half white. His mother is from Kansas who's married to a foreign student from Kenya. He is excellent, but I doubt that America is ready for a black president.

[Iqbol]

Has he ever been invited to Bilderberg, anyone knows?

[Asadbek]

Fikrlar uchun tashakkur!

Obama uchun hozirda ustunlik ulashishi mumkin bo'lgan tomonlar deyilayotganlari:

- Obama Iroq urushiga qarshi bo'lganini va US-askarlarini zudlik bilan Iroqdan olib chiqishni gapirib va bir vaqtning o'zida qurol ishlatish siyosiy opciya bo'lib qolishi kerakligini aytib kelmoqda;
- US sog'liqni saqlash tizimini islohot qilish tarafdori va bir vaqtning o'zida Sog'liq Sug'urtasining barcha uchun majburiy bo'lishini rad etadi;
- Gay va lesbian juftlar uchun teng huquqlar bo'lishiga tarafdor bo'lsa-da, bir jinsli nikohlarni rad etadi;
- o'z harakatlari uchun Dinning (xristianlik) qanchalik muhimligini urg'ulab keladi;
- v.h.

Obamani juda yaxshi pragmatik, deb baholashmoqda. Obama US-hukumati o'z boshqaruvi va yordamlarini ular juda kerak bo'lgan joylarga yo'naltirish kerakligini gapirmoqda. Bir so'z bilan, US-hukumatida islohot o'tkazish kerakligini ta'kidlamoqda. Eski pragmatismga qaytadan erishish kerakligiga e'tibor qaratmoqda. Uning bu qarashlari hozirda ziddiyatlar, qarama-qarshilik va bo'linishga boy bo'lgan Amerika siyosiy iqlimida Obamaga siyosiy pog'onalarda tobora yuqori ko'tarilishiga yordam bermaydimi?

Uni yosh va tajribasiz deyishmoqda. Bill Klinton ham prezident bo'lganida 46 yoshda bo'lgan. J.F.Kennedy esa hatto 43 yoshda bo'lgan...

Yana bir qiziq ma'lumot:
Iowa shtati senatori Tom Harkinning uyida an'anaviy grill bayrami o'tkazilib, bu demokratlarning eng muhim tadbirlaridan biri hisoblanadi. Oxirgi 30 yil ichida bu tadbirda nutq so'zlagan demokratlar keyinchalik Prezidentlik saylovlarida nomzod bo'lishgan. Bu yilgi tadbirda esa asosiy notiq - Barack Obama bo'lgan...

[Asadbek]

Qora tanli odam US-prezidenti bo'lolmaydi, debsizlar...

US-tashqi ishlar vazirligi lavozimini ilk bor qora tanli egalladi: Condoleeza Rice.
Hattoki, Germaniyada ayol kishini Kanzler etib saylashdi: Angela Merkel.

Bunday zamonda US-prezidentligini qora tanli Obama egallashi mumkin emasmi? :)

Prezidentlik uchun 2008 yilgi saylovlar borasida o'tkazilayotgan so'rovlarda hozirda Hillary Clinton superstar ekan: http://www.pollingreport.com/WH08dem.htm
Obamaning nomi hali so'rovlarga kiritilmagan...

Ammo, ayni damda AQShda prezidentlik saylovlari o'tkazilsa, turli so'rovlar natijalariga ko'ra, Demokratlar shubhasiz g'olib chiqishlari mumkin.

Deyarli barcha nomdor nashr va TVlar tomonidan o'tkazilayotgan hamma so'rovlarda demokratlar aniq-tiniq oldinda borishyapti ekan: http://www.pollingreport.com

[Iqbol]

Qora tanli odam US-prezidenti bo'lolmaydi, debsizlar...

US-tashqi ishlar vazirligi lavozimini ilk bor qora tanli egalladi: Condoleeza Rice.
Hattoki, Germaniyada ayol kishini Kanzler etib saylashdi: Angela Merkel.

Bunday zamonda US-prezidentligini qora tanli Obama egallashi mumkin emasmi? :)


Condy bilan Merkel ayol yoki qora bo'lganligi uchun emas, boshqa sabablarga ko'ra hozirgi mansabini egallap turishipti.
Qaniydi, siz aytgandaqa hamma narsa ko'ngildaqidaqa bo'lganida...

[Asadbek]

Condy bilan Merkel ayol yoki qora bo'lganligi uchun emas, boshqa sabablarga ko'ra hozirgi mansabini egallap turishipti.
Qaniydi, siz aytgandaqa hamma narsa ko'ngildaqidaqa bo'lganida...Men ularni ayol bo'lgani yoki qora tanli bo'lgani uchun saylashdi, demadim :)

[Iqbol]

Men ularni ayol bo'lgani yoki qora tanli bo'lgani uchun saylashdi, demadim :)

Togri, siz aytmoqchi bo'ldizki, qoraligini to'sig'i bo'lmaydi, huddi condy bilan merkel kabi.
Men aytdimki, gapiz togri, lekin barakjon ham agar prezident bo'lip saylansa huddi shular kabi tavr olishi aniq.
Qogani safsata, demokrat kelsa yahshi bo'ladi, republikan kelsa unaqa bo'ladi.
amerikanai har qanday prezidentinin qonga to'la izlari bor...
Barak ham undan nariga o'tmasa kerak...

[UzLand]

I know some guys who are from africa at my university. when I first met them and asked where they are from, they always say "Im from Africa"

I say "whatta fcuk? Africa is a continent, not a country, dude.:lol: "

smiling they say, you know these americans...that's why we just got used to say like that.

Well, you should say you are from Asia then:)

[UzLand]

Аввал аел, сунгра кора, сунгра хиспаник...энг охирида Америкада тугилган узбек:)

[Крейсер]

Аввал аел, сунгра кора, сунгра хиспаник...энг охирида Америкада тугилган узбек:)

UzLand, that was really funny!

About Obama:
The point is not that AMerica is not ready for a black president. The point is that Obama in not ready to be a president. i don't think he ever will be ready, but God knows the best. Just listen to him speak... c'mon he just does not have it!

[Vector]

US is just not ready(able) to have a smart president...

[UzLand]

US is just not ready(able) to have a smart president...

Don't judge by the past 8 years, dude. FDR, JFK, and the first ones - you think they were not smart enough?

[melo]

US is just not ready(able) to have a smart president...

Maybe they should just look at all the billiant examples of smart presidents around the world. :D or wait.... can't think of any now. :(

[UzLand]

About Obama:
The point is not that AMerica is not ready for a black president. The point is that Obama in not ready to be a president. i don't think he ever will be ready, but God knows the best. Just listen to him speak... c'mon he just does not have it!

Обамага кичик бир эътироз бор. Шу хол унга сайловларда панд бериши мумкин. Исми "Осама" га ухшаб кетаркан. Америка учун жуда хам нозик исмда:)

[melo]

Don't judge the past 8 years, dude. FDR, JFK, and the first ones - you think they were not smart enough?

Not sure if JFK was really that great of a president.

[UzLand]

Not sure if JFK was really that great of a president.

Says who?

If he hadn't been killed, probably nobody would have remembered him. Oh, yeah, the Cuban missile crisis too. But since he was murdered, was the youngest president, shook little Clinton's hand, had affairs with the world's then beauty - all this add up and make him great whether we want it or not.

[melo]

Says who?

If he hadn't been killed, probably nobody would have remembered him. Oh, yeah, the Cuban missile crisis too. But since he was murdered, was the youngest president, shook little Clinton's hand, had affairs with the world's then beauty - all this add up and make him great whether we want it or not.

Famous maybe, but not great. He was just chrismatic so people loved him.

[UzLand]

Famous maybe, but not great. He was just chrismatic so people loved him.

What make presidents great? Peoples' love...

[melo]

What make presidents great? Peoples' love...

I would say accomplishments. I don't think I am alone at that. Being a president that was killed gives extra sympathy points and people tend to remembre only good things.

[Frida]

sogliqlariz yahshimi? uy ichilar tinchmi?

Ha, nima edi? Sizniki-chi? Rasmizdan sal isitmangiz chiqayotganga o'xshaydi. :D Hamma narsani ja yuragingizga olavermangda :D

[SAMARKANDI!]

USA is one of the most racist countries, but better someone like him than someone like our Mr Potato.

Though this time democrates hit it hard and smart: they showed republicans as fags for once:) and allowing the black and female portion of US know that they tolerate the differences by not only running WASPs for presidency.

[melo]

USA is one of the most racist countries, but better someone like him than someone like our Mr Potato.


I am willing to argue that one with anyone in the world. :D Let's name any other country and talk about the racism. :?

[SAMARKANDI!]

I am willing to argue that one with anyone in the world. :D Let's name any other country and talk about the racism. :?

Germany:) is another one.

Look dude kmmon:lol: there is no need for argument, Racist and it is obvious. how many black presidents have u seen in US? I lived in DC, almost 80% of the population is black in there and how much % of that black is in those aaaaaaaalll administrative buildings in DC?? What happened in Louisiana?? How much % of black or other minorities r allowed beyond that glass ceilling?? and etc and etc and etc. Racist:evil: :lol:

[melo]

Germany:) is another one.

Look dude kmmon:lol: there is no need for argument, Racist and it is obvious. how many black presidents have u seen in US? I lived in DC, almost 80% of the population is black in there and how much % of that black is in those aaaaaaaalll administrative buildings in DC?? What happened in Louisiana?? How much % of black or other minorities r allowed beyond that glass ceilling?? and etc and etc and etc. Racist:evil: :lol:

Nonetheless, nobody seems to leave. I would certainly take being a black person in the US over being a black person of the wrong tribe in most African nations. The precentage of black people in the US is 13 % or something. This does not guarantee there will be a black president. Of course there is racism in the US. Are we comparing this with Europe? or South America? or Africa? I am just debating that it is more racist than most countries.

[SAMARKANDI!]

Nonetheless, nobody seems to leave. I would certainly take being a black person in the US over being a black person of the wrong tribe in most African nations. The precentage of black people in the US is 13 % or something. This does not guarantee there will be a black president. Of course there is racism in the US. Are we comparing this with Europe? or South America? or Africa? I am just debating that it is more racist than most countries.


ok 13 % of blacks and 13.5 of hispanics together 26.5 and others lets say also 13 % which would add up to 39.5 %. So have u seen any President from those races?

Pal Lets not compare African nations with US ok. U.S. has waaaay too many well educated people to be compared with Africans in Africa. It is the matter of education that people have and still be racist which makes them to look/be more racist. Cuz the person who understands the similarities and still claim that they are different is more racist than a person who doesnt understand the similarities which leads him to conclude that they r different. right?

In Europe countries r racist as well.

But our Prophet pbuh said "No Arab is better than non-Arab and no non-Arab is better than Arab" 1400 years ago:lol:

[melo]

ok 13 % of blacks and 13.5 of hispanics together 26.5 and others lets say also 13 % which would add up to 39.5 %. So have u seen any President from those races?

That logic doesn't follow. The whole population doesn't vote. And if they did, they would still lose. 60.5% compared to 39.5%. If a women ran for president they would win too if all the women voted for them. For some reason that isn't how it works.

[SAMARKANDI!]

That logic doesn't follow. The whole population doesn't vote. And if they did, they would still lose. If a women ran for president they would win too if all the women voted for them. For some reason that isn't how it works.


Thats what i am talking about:))

[Frida]

But our Prophet pbuh said "No Arab is better than non-Arab and no non-Arab is better than Arab" 1400 years ago:lol:

:lol: :lol: i see so many arabs walking around and claiming that they are the best muslims and the whole other world is just converts. there even was a huge dispute about that in our campus. arabs called pakistani students "just converts" who do not know what the real islam is. so go figure, maybe they wont discriminate you according to your skin color but definitely will find something to discriminate anyways.

[SAMARKANDI!]

:lol: :lol: i see so many arabs walking around and claiming that they are the best muslims and the whole other world is just converts. there even was a huge dispute about that in our campus. arabs called pakistani students "just converts" who do not know what the real islam is. so go figure, maybe they wont discriminate you according to your skin color but definitely will find something to discriminate anyways.

lol, excuse me:)) sorry i didnt know that u cant make conclusions urself. Ok lets help u out here. I dont actualy give a huge ..... to any arab who says that, i would say they r stupids. if an Arab country would act that way i would call it racist too.

The phrase said by our Prophet pbuh has nothing to do with those morons and it does not imply in any way that arabs r not racist or otherwise.

I just wonder how did u come up with this assumption???

sorry again:)

p.s. the only thing Prophet pbuh said we can be differentiated is by the level of taqwa and iyman.

[Frida]

lol, excuse me:)) sorry i didnt know that u cant make conclusions urself. Ok lets help u out here. I dont actualy give a huge ..... to any arab who says that, i would say they r stupids. if an Arab country would act that way i would it racist too.

The phrase said by our Prophet pbuh has nothing to do with those morons and it does not imply in any way that arabs r not racist or otherwise.

I just wonder how did u come up with this assumption???

sorry again:)

Dude, I thought you will be able to read the non-verbal means of communication that I placed before my post, these :lol: :lol: little smileys. Definitely I got your point, but what I meant was shouldn't some of those arabs start doing so too, instead of claiming the superiority. I did not come up with this assumption, just remembered the incident and wrote about it, I was not saying something particularly to you. Before blaming someone read twice, or let me know, so I will start typing slower, so you can catch up ;) (jk).

[SAMARKANDI!]

Dude, I thought you will be able to read the non-verbal means of communication that I placed before my post, these :lol: :lol: little smileys. Definitely I got your point, but what I meant was shouldn't some of those arabs start doing so too, instead of claiming the superiority. I did not come up with this assumption, just remembered the incident and wrote about it, I was not saying something particularly to you. Before blaming someone read twice, or let me know, so I will start typing slower, so you can catch up :lol: (jk).

U r fun, lol, who the hell knows what u meant with ur smiliks:lol: (dont think that everyone thinks ur way:))

again narrow thinking pal, sorry to let u know of ur shortcomings,
u said "shouldnt these arabs start doing so" The arabs in ur campus i would say should of course. U havent seen arabs all over the world, u r talking about arabs of u lil campus:) or city. i have seen those kind of arabs too but there alot of arabs who already act that way. Again arabs r not the main point here.

Type as fast as u can:lol:

p.s. no hard feelings, u r nice, i like u, heard how Borat says those words:)

[Frida]

U r fun, lol, who the hell knows what u meant with ur smiliks:lol: (dont think that everyone thinks ur way:))

again narrow thinking pal, sorry to let u know of ur shortcomings,
u said "shouldnt these arabs start doing so" The arabs in ur campus i would say should of course. U havent seen arabs all over the world, u r talking about arabs of u lil campus:) or city. i have seen those kind of arabs too but there alot of arabs who already act that way. Again arabs r not the main point here.

Type as fast as u can:lol:

p.s. no hard feelings, u r nice, i like u, heard how Borat says those words:)

whatever, maybe it is me, you are right. thinking too narrow :D anyway, back to Obama :D
yaxshemash! or whatever that Borat says.

[SAMARKANDI!]

whatever, maybe it is me, you are right. thinking too narrow :D anyway, back to Obama :D
yaxshemash! or whatever that Borat says.

Obama is a nice dude:), but Borat is better actor:lol:

[Masanori]

Последние шесть лет нам говорили, что наша растущая задолженность не имеет значения, ... что жесткая риторика и непродуманная война могут заменить дипломатию, стратегию и дальновидность. А когда уже ничего не помогает, когда ударит ураган Катрина, когда наши потери в Ираке начнут расти, тогда нам начинают говорить, что в наших кризисах виноваты другие.
Барак Обама


http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/russian/international/newsid_6350000/6350449.stm

[Arhimed]

Последние шесть лет нам говорили, что наша растущая задолженность не имеет значения, ... что жесткая риторика и непродуманная война могут заменить дипломатию, стратегию и дальновидность. А когда уже ничего не помогает, когда ударит ураган Катрина, когда наши потери в Ираке начнут расти, тогда нам начинают говорить, что в наших кризисах виноваты другие.
Барак Обама


http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/russian/international/newsid_6350000/6350449.stm


dumayu pochti vse afro-amerikosi dadut svoy golos za nego

[Asadbek]

Demokrat nomzodlar orasida Barak Obama Iowa shtatidagi saylovoldi saylovlarida (Caucus) demokratlar uchun berilgan ovozlarning 37,6 %i bilan g'olib chiqdi :)
Clinton xonim 29,5 % ovoz bilan 3-o'ringa tushibdi.
Edwards 29,7 % ovoz bilan 2-o'rinni olgan...


"Spiegel" (http://www.spiegel.de/politik/ausland/0,1518,526547,00.html) xabaridan

[kipchak]

Надо судить по тому как часто кандидаты ездят в Израиль на поклон, Барак уже там был, как и все остальные, кроме Рона Пола (если я не ошибаюсь).

Барак за вывод войск из Ирака, но за нападение на Ирак в целях защиты Израиля.

Получается что арифметика та же, еще один президент - еще пару стран замочим.


Он многих может заболтать, с вечным американским "I believe ..." и "I will change "..

[Kolobok]

Надо судить по тому как часто кандидаты ездят в Израиль на поклон, Барак уже там был, как и все остальные, кроме Рона Пола (если я не ошибаюсь).

Барак за вывод войск из Ирака, но за нападение на Ирак в целях защиты Израиля.

Получается что арифметика та же, еще один президент - еще пару стран замочим.


Он многих может заболтать, с вечным американским "I believe ..." и "I will change "..

Well,that's almost certain. Unfortunately foreign policy of the states has deteriorated to the level of substantial crisis. Have a look at the book by Henry Kissinger "Does America Need a Foreign Policy?" and you will realize,no matter whom they put in power,there is always a war in horizon.
Until another superpower emerges in the international agenda,that's capable of challenging US decisions,wars are less likely to stop.

[kipchak]

Well,that's almost certain. Unfortunately foreign policy of the states has deteriorated to the level of substantial crisis. Have a look at the book by Henry Kissinger "Does America Need a Foreign Policy?" and you will realize,no matter whom they put in power,there is always a war in horizon.
Until another superpower emerges in the international agenda,that's capable of challenging US decisions,wars are less likely to stop.

Генри кессинджер - подлец и преступник, ответственный за смерть сотни тысяч невинных людей. Собственными руками прибил бы его его же книгами.

Это как фильм - "почему мы воюем" что ли, с Макнамарой, старик, сидел плакался мол, патриот и так далее, а то что он стоял за войной во Вьетнаме и Лаосе - это все преподносилось как геройство.

[Kolobok]

Генри кессинджер - подлец и преступник, ответственный за смерть сотни тысяч невинных людей. Собственными руками прибил бы его его же книгами.

Это как фильм - "почему мы воюем" что ли, с Макнамарой, старик, сидел плакался мол, патриот и так далее, а то что он стоял за войной во Вьетнаме и Лаосе - это все преподносилось как геройство.
Я про книгу про международную политику штатов,а ты про Генри. :) Не стану спорить про его политическую деятельность,ибо его поступки история посудит,если уже не посудила.

[kipchak]

Я про книгу про международную политику штатов,а ты про Генри. :) Не стану спорить про его политическую деятельность,ибо его поступки история посудит,если уже не посудила.

а что может написать этот мерзавец? все что угодно что бы оправдать и утвердить свою политику. И потом, ты так говоришь как будто Генри не имеет никакого отношения к этой книге.


ПС
История не может судить - это еще один миф, май гуднес пипл - до чего вы все напичканы этими величавыми и пустыми фразами.

[Kolobok]

а что может написать этот мерзавец? все что угодно что бы оправдать и утвердить свою политику. И потом, ты так говоришь как будто Генри не имеет никакого отношения к этой книге.


ПС
История не может судить - это еще один миф, май гуднес пипл - до чего вы все напичканы этими величавыми и пустыми фразами.
Мерзавец,может быть. В Таком случае посоветуй книгу политических деятелей,которые не мерзавцы и которые не защищают меры они приняли во время своей деятельности. Но судь не в этом, судь в том,что он все же открыто осазнает ошибки сделанные правительством Америки,так же как до него,во время его и после него.

[kipchak]

Мерзавец,может быть. В Таком случае посоветуй книгу политических деятелей,которые не мерзавцы и которые не защищают меры они приняли во время своей деятельности. Но судь не в этом, судь в том,что он все же открыто осазнает ошибки сделанные правительством Америки,так же как до него,во время его и после него.

зачем тебе книги не понимаю, просто открой карту миру перед собой и фломастером отметь самые ценные ресурсы на земле а другим цветом нарисуй американские военные базы. вот тебе и внешняя политика США.

[Magnolia]

Afro-amerikosi mojet i dadut...
Vchera smotrela reportaj ob Obame i Clinton. U srednestatisticheskoy BELOY amerikanskoy pari sprosili: "Chto vi znaete ob Obame?". Otvet bil: "Tol'ko to, chto on chyorniy" :?
Ya, chelovek sovershenno nichego ne ponimayuschiy v politike i ne interesuyuschiysya eyu - progolosovala bi za Hillary: ona uje stolko let na vidu - eyo vse, kak obluplennuyu znayut. I potom, Monica sdelala ey svoego roda ne plohuyu PR aksiyu ;)

kstati Hilary Clinton neplohoy politik,ya by daje skazala ochen' horoshiy. (i ne potomu chto ona jenshina)
ya delala research o ney dlya odnogo iz klassov,u nee ochen' mnogo polojitel'nih dostijeniy,i ne potomu chto ona jena Klintona...
ya progolosuyu za nee

P.S. obychno ya za demokratov,no Rudi Giulliani toj ochen' sil'niy kandidat :)

[kipchak]

хиллари клинтон - еврейка по матери, по крайней мере так она доказывала айпак и кнессету а может и синедреону. она будет бомбить в пыль всех на кого укажет израиль. а диплитед ураниум разлагается тысячелетиями!!!! а ветра могут дуть и на ца...

[Magnolia]

хиллари клинтон - еврейка по матери, по крайней мере так она доказывала айпак и кнессету а может и синедреону. она будет бомбить в пыль всех на кого укажет израиль. а диплитед ураниум разлагается тысячелетиями!!!! а ветра могут дуть и на ца...

As usual everything goes back to jew-haters :rolleyes:

[Dr_Didro]

Rano yesho afro-amerikancu v prezidenti... Demokratiya ne demokratiya, no beliye yesho tut (in USA) rulez! Ne dadut yemu, a vot kak vice-president, to-da, on goden!
U nego ploxo poluchayetsa s balansom in foreign affairs, fokusiruyet too much na Iraq... A pro Rossiyu, Kitay i drugiye strani on i blizko ne vspominayet... Tak chto kak uzbeki govoryat hali-xom, yana bir ikki yil pishishi kerak.

No vdrug yesli po pyanki yego i izberut, to skoree vsego zastrelyat kak aka Martina Kinga ili togo-je liberala Kennedi!

Hillari, kak opyat' taki nashi uzbeki govoryat "ikki-ko't". Dumayet ob odnom govorit o drugom... Skol'zkaya osoba. Dumayet chto ona umnee vseh, sposobnee vseh i doljna imet vseh. Toje ne proydet. Amerikanci hotya i tupiye kak Zodornov govorit, no ne do takoy stepeni, poka Matriarhat ne nastupil.

Yesli demokrati ne opredelyatsa silnim kandidatom to veryoyatnost' chto respublikanci opyat vozmut verh ochen' daje visoka.

Moy analiz takov: samiy luchshiy tandem u demokratov poluchilsa bi Edwards-Obama ili Edwards-Richardson. Posledniy bil poslom v UN i hotyabi znayet gde kakaya strana nahoditsa :D... Silen v diplomatii. I mog bi poluchitsa horoshiy vice-prezident!

U respublikancev: McCain-Ron Paul

No bolee menee yasno budet tol'ko v fevrale kogda bolshinstvo primaries proydut, poka vse mogut tol'ko gadat' ;)

[Maroon]

As usual everything goes back to jew-haters :rolleyes:

Nu eto je kipchak. He dreams day&night of Jews. :D

[kipchak]

As usual everything goes back to jew-haters :rolleyes:

Железная логика...


Nu eto je kipchak. He dreams day&night of Jews. :D

Каждому свое, вам Риперша - флейм, а мне суровая правда жизни:)

[Maroon]

Железная логика...




Каждому свое, вам Риперша - флейм, а мне суровая правда жизни:)

Vi pravi! Ya ne lublu govorit na sereznie temi. Prosto nechego skazat. ;)

Ciaooooooooo

[MDB]

From My point of view, the best candidate, would be Al Gore!
I wanna see him as a president...

[UzLand]

From My point of view, the best candidate, would be Al Gore!
I wanna see him as a president...

Но он уже пролетает...щекотиться надо было раньше

[forex]

узбека бы в президенты америки,установили бы безвизовый режим с узбекистаном,весь узбекистан переехал бы в штаты,и не осталось бы ничего от штатов:)

[MDB]

Но он уже пролетает...щекотиться надо было раньше

Yes, that's right but he is gonna run next elections...I think he was under the presure!

[Dr_Didro]

узбека бы в президенты америки,установили бы безвизовый режим с узбекистаном,весь узбекистан переехал бы в штаты,и не осталось бы ничего от штатов:)

I na karte mira-bi poyavilis 50 novih respublik... na odnom materike... i Kanadu tuda-je zaodno...

Amerika znachilas' bi tolko Federal'nim okrugom Kolumbiya :lol:

Makdonal'ds orniga Chig'atoy shashliklar, G'ijduvon somsalar, Jizzah somsalar... itd. itp...

Man Oyga ko'chib ketgan bo'lardim :shock:

[melo]

I na karte mira-bi poyavilis 50 novih respublik... na odnom materike... i Kanadu tuda-je zaodno...

Amerika znachilas' bi tolko Federal'nim okrugom Kolumbiya :lol:

Makdonal'ds orniga Chig'atoy shashliklar, G'ijduvon somsalar, Jizzah somsalar... itd. itp...

Man Oyga ko'chib ketgan bo'lardim :shock:

I'm not sure you understand what the president does. :lool:

[SmIlIk]

Fikrlar uchun tashakkur!

Obama uchun hozirda ustunlik ulashishi mumkin bo'lgan tomonlar deyilayotganlari:

- Obama Iroq urushiga qarshi bo'lganini va US-askarlarini zudlik bilan Iroqdan olib chiqishni gapirib va bir vaqtning o'zida qurol ishlatish siyosiy opciya bo'lib qolishi kerakligini aytib kelmoqda;
- US sog'liqni saqlash tizimini islohot qilish tarafdori va bir vaqtning o'zida Sog'liq Sug'urtasining barcha uchun majburiy bo'lishini rad etadi;
- Gay va lesbian juftlar uchun teng huquqlar bo'lishiga tarafdor bo'lsa-da, bir jinsli nikohlarni rad etadi;
- o'z harakatlari uchun Dinning (xristianlik) qanchalik muhimligini urg'ulab keladi;
- v.h.

Obamani juda yaxshi pragmatik, deb baholashmoqda. Obama US-hukumati o'z boshqaruvi va yordamlarini ular juda kerak bo'lgan joylarga yo'naltirish kerakligini gapirmoqda. Bir so'z bilan, US-hukumatida islohot o'tkazish kerakligini ta'kidlamoqda. Eski pragmatismga qaytadan erishish kerakligiga e'tibor qaratmoqda. Uning bu qarashlari hozirda ziddiyatlar, qarama-qarshilik va bo'linishga boy bo'lgan Amerika siyosiy iqlimida Obamaga siyosiy pog'onalarda tobora yuqori ko'tarilishiga yordam bermaydimi?

Uni yosh va tajribasiz deyishmoqda. Bill Klinton ham prezident bo'lganida 46 yoshda bo'lgan. J.F.Kennedy esa hatto 43 yoshda bo'lgan...

Yana bir qiziq ma'lumot:
Iowa shtati senatori Tom Harkinning uyida an'anaviy grill bayrami o'tkazilib, bu demokratlarning eng muhim tadbirlaridan biri hisoblanadi. Oxirgi 30 yil ichida bu tadbirda nutq so'zlagan demokratlar keyinchalik Prezidentlik saylovlarida nomzod bo'lishgan. Bu yilgi tadbirda esa asosiy notiq - Barack Obama bo'lgan...

Ustun taraflari bo'lgani bilan oq tanlik amerikaliklardan tashqari Amerikada boshqa president bo'lmasa kerak. Agarda Obama president bo'ladigan bo'lsa, qora tanliklar butun Amerikani boshini yeyishi aniq. Yani, nechi yillardan beri o'zlarini kamsitilayotgan bilib kelgan odamlarning qo'liga kuch kelib qolsa, buni o'zingiz nima bilan tugashini tasavvur qilishingiz mumkin. Menimcha Obamaning president bo'lishi internal conflictlarning yuzaga chiqishiga sabab, yoki aksincha, qora tanlilarning ohir oqibat o'zini eplab olishiga sabab bo'lsa ajab emas.

[Dr_Didro]

I'm not sure you understand what the president does. :lool:

Nuda kuda nam do vas... Chitay posti po teme i potom otvechay ;)

[idiom]

Obamami, Clintonmi, Edvardsmi hammasi ham yomonmas. Bittasi preident, ikkinchisi PM bulsa yahshi buladi.

Kamchiliklari:
Obama - juda katta uzgarishlar planlashtirmoqda?
Clinton - corrupt, yoshi o'tgan, publikaga uynaidi.
Edvards - juda yu,shoq(latta)

[Asadbek]

Wooo, yo'qol hammang offtoping bilan!

:twisted:

[UzLand]

Wooo, yo'qol hammang offtoping bilan!

:twisted:

Асадбекни кайфи ошиб колибди Обамани галабасидан кейин:)

ON: АКШда президент Барак Обама буладими, Баран Осама буладими, сиз билан бизга бунинг на фойдаси бор ва на зарари бор. Ушанга униси яхши президент булади, буниси яхши президент булади дейишдан олдин, шахсан сиз учун кайси бири президент булса хаетингиз яхширок булишини уйлаб куринг:)

[MUHLIS]

Yaqin kelajakda Obama bilan Osama sulh tuzadi shekilli. :mrgreen:

[Dr_Didro]

Wooo, yo'qol hammang offtoping bilan!:twisted:

Hammasiga kipchak aybdor :lool:

Асадбекни кайфи ошиб колибди Обамани галабасидан кейин:)

ON: АКШда президент Барак Обама буладими, Баран Осама буладими, сиз билан бизга бунинг на фойдаси бор ва на зарари бор. Ушанга униси яхши президент булади, буниси яхши президент булади дейишдан олдин, шахсан сиз учун кайси бири президент булса хаетингиз яхширок булишини уйлаб куринг:)

Siz va bizga aka, demokratlar kelishi ma'qul... yil ohirida nalog to'lashimizni hisobga oladigan bo'lsak... ?

Respublikachilar padariga la'nat naloglarni oshirgani-oshirgan...

Shunga Baroq yoki uning jamoadoshlari bo'lgani ma'qul.
;) O'zi o'ylab qarasez, Baroqning o'rta ismi Husayn ekan. Demak, Husanjonovich... O'zimizniki ekan kispurish :lol:

[UzLand]

Siz va bizga aka, demokratlar kelishi ma'qul... yil ohirida nalog to'lashimizni hisobga oladigan bo'lsak... ?

ана энди ишонтирдиз мени

Obama for President!!!!!!!!!!

[uzbekcfa2]

americans are confused...most of them hate republicans because of Bush.
but now main candidates from democratic party: one is black, second is woman. both are discriminated in us. :lol:

[Maroon]

I don't trust this Obama guy.

Woman intuition. :D

[UzLand]

americans are confused...most of them hate republicans because of Bush.
but now main candidates from democratic party: one is black, second is woman. both are discriminated in us. :lol:

the third one is a lawyer:)

[uzbekcfa2]

I don't trust this Obama guy.

Woman intuition. :D

i talked to an old guy today about elections. he is a white guy(makes big difference:D) I asked him who he's gonna vote for. he says Hillary. I go "why?" he goes "well, who rules household at home? Women!" I said "I dunno whatcha talkin about man. In my country, men are the head of the family and they rule the household at home." :D

but im sure most conservative americand will rather see a woman as presidnet than a black president.

[uzbekcfa2]

the third one is a lawyer:)

you're talkin about edwards, arent you?

man, he has the lowest rating among americans. he is just like John kerry, a ketchup guy.

[MDB]

i talked to an old guy today about elections. he is a white guy(makes big difference:D) I asked him who he's gonna vote for. he says Hillary. I go "why?" he goes "well, who rules household at home? Women!" I said "I dunno whatcha talkin about man. In my country, men are the head of the family and they rule the household at home." :D

but im sure most conservative americand will rather see a woman as presidnet than a black president.


Some Americans don't wanna see Hillary as a president becouse they think she is not srtong enough for a War!

[UzLand]

I said "I dunno whatcha talkin about man. In my country, men are the head of the family and they rule the household at home." :D

:lool:

may be that's why we are where we are :lool:

[Maroon]

i talked to an old guy today about elections. he is a white guy(makes big difference:D) I asked him who he's gonna vote for. he says Hillary. I go "why?" he goes "well, who rules household at home? Women!" I said "I dunno whatcha talkin about man. In my country, men are the head of the family and they rule the household at home." :D

but im sure most conservative americand will rather see a woman as presidnet than a black president.

Man rule the household? Are you high? :D No woman - no nothing.

I don't like Hillary either.

I'll come back later and tell you who I like. :D Let me do some voodoo first and look at the future. :D

[uzbekcfa2]

Some Americans don't wanna see Hillary as a president becouse they think she is not srtong enough for a War!

americans are against war!

They hate bush! They hate the current foreign policy. They want someone who can provide stability and healthy economy. Plus they want someone who is totally against illegal immigration.

hillary planted a question during iowa campaign, which I believe, was one of the reasons why she lost. she was leading in preliminery polls.

I guess I posted that planted question from youtube. It was all over the net. CNN took an interview from the college girl who asked the planted question. After that, I would never give my vote to hillary.

By the way, they say, either way women will rule this country if democrats win. if hillary wins - woman rules, if obama wins - woman rules again(Oprah:lol:)

[Royal]

shu qoravoyga jfkni kuni kemasa boldide...

[uzbekcfa2]

Man rule the household? Are you high? :D No woman - no nothing.


I agree with no woman - no anything quote. but it is what it is.:D

When I say "men rule the household", I mean men make the game plan and women do the labor job. :lool: joking... but it's the truth in Uzb.:D


I'll come back later and tell you who I like. :D Let me do some voodoo first and look at the future. :D

yeah, yeah,...you just keep posting, that's the most enjoyable thing.:lol:

[MDB]

They are against war, but at the same time they know it is impossible to prevent it...

Hillary has such a personality you have two ways either you love her or you hate her...Nothing between!

americans are against war!

They hate bush! They hate the current foreign policy. They want someone who can provide stability and healthy economy. Plus they want someone who is totally against illegal immigration.

hillary planted a question during iowa campaign, which I believe, was one of the reasons why she lost. she was leading in preliminery polls.

I guess I posted that planted question from youtube. It was all over the net. CNN took an interview from the college girl who asked the planted question. After that, I would never give my vote to hillary.

By the way, they say, either way women will rule this country if democrats win. if hillary wins - woman rules, if obama wins - woman rules again(Oprah:lol:)

[Maroon]

They are against war, but at the same time they know it is impossible to prevent it...

Hillary has such a personality you have two ways either you love her or you hate her...Nothing between!

I don't care about her. Am I an alien now? :lol:

[lilbit]

They are against war, but at the same time they know it is impossible to prevent it...

Hillary has such a personality you have two ways either you love her or you hate her...Nothing between!and what about you???

[MDB]

I don't care about her. Am I an alien now? :lol:

No coz you are acting like blonde now.:lol:

[uzbekcfa2]

I don't care about her. Am I an alien now? :lol:

that's what i was gonna say, but im posting too much already on this thread. have to move on...well, let's see...where else i can do some offtop.:lol:

[MDB]

and what about you???

If you remember when Clinton gave oath and was answering the questions

following happened:

He said I did not have sexual relationship with this women...
They I asked but we've seen she was giving you ***** ***.
And he answers Oral sex is not sex!LOL:lol::lol::lol::P

I love them...But I like Al Gore more!

[lilbit]

If you remember when Clinton gave oath and was answering the questions

following happened:

He said I did not have sexual relationship with this women...
They I asked but we've seen she was giving you ***** ***.
And he answers Oral sex is not sex!LOL:lol::lol::lol::P

I love them...But I like Al Gore more!

when telling them you mean whom??? Monica Levinsky and Bill Clinton, or Bill and Hillary? :D))))

[melo]

They are against war, but at the same time they know it is impossible to prevent it...

Hillary has such a personality you have two ways either you love her or you hate her...Nothing between!

why exactly is it impossible to prevent war???? :shock:

[lilbit]

If you remember when Clinton gave oath and was answering the questions

following happened:

He said I did not have sexual relationship with this women...
They I asked but we've seen she was giving you ***** ***.
And he answers Oral sex is not sex!LOL:lol::lol::lol::P

I love them...But I like Al Gore more!
How've they seen it? :D)))) and what is 5 stars space 3 stars? :D)))

[Kolobok]

зачем тебе книги не понимаю, просто открой карту миру перед собой и фломастером отметь самые ценные ресурсы на земле а другим цветом нарисуй американские военные базы. вот тебе и внешняя политика США.

No comments.
Whatever the outcome of this elections whether it's Obama or Clinton,there are bound to be massive transitions within the internal and foreign affairs of the states. If I were an american I'd vote for Obama, he seems quite decent and there is a sence of hunger and ambition to help his nation to get out of the mess left by the republicans. To be honest,I couldn't care less about their internal problems such as health,immigration and so on,but I'm looking forward to changes in international agenda. Let the entertainment begin...

[kipchak]

No comments.
Whatever the outcome of this elections whether it's Obama or Clinton,there are bound to be massive transitions within the internal and foreign affairs of the states. If I were an american I'd vote for Obama, he seems quite decent and there is a sence of hunger and ambition to help his nation to get out of the mess left by the republicans. To be honest,I couldn't care less about their internal problems such as health,immigration and so on,but I'm looking forward to changes in international agenda. Let the entertainment begin...

ну что такое массив трансишн? какая разница между Обамой и Хиллари? оба с еврейской кровью, оба хотят развязать очередную войну. Вот и лечат всех.

[Kolobok]

ну что такое массив трансишн? какая разница между Обамой и Хиллари? оба с еврейской кровью, оба хотят развязать очередную войну. Вот и лечат всех.

А что если еврейи? Молодцы евреи,что могу сказать.

[Frida]

anyone watching the debates? hillary is kind of scary. :lol: she is kind of vigilante -- feels like she wants to show "those republicans gde raki zimuyut."

[kipchak]

А что если еврейи? Молодцы евреи,что могу сказать.

Не имею ничего против евреев, но ужасно хочется остановить еврейское засилье.

[HustleR]

I think Michael Bloomberg current Mayor of City of NY, might run as an independent.

I would say, in order to become a president one should have served as a Governor such as Mitt Romney for example. Although Republicans have less chance to win in this election than Democrats with the current Administration's image and poll results.

Obama has won the key state, which means a big step towards the rest of the campaign. But there are bigger states outhere. Obama doesnt neccesarily specifies on what he will do to resolve the big issues, its not that easy to enforce the big companies to stay in US in order to keep the jobs here, they will simply leave there and leave the headquarters here like Ford and GM doing.

Ron Paul who raised more than any other Republican over 19 mil, so called "Republican" bases his arguments on purely Constitution of US.

Overall, its still difficult to say who will end up being a next president.

[Kolobok]

кипчак,фритцом пахнешь :)

[Dr_Didro]

anyone watching the debates? hillary is kind of scary. :lol: she is kind of vigilante -- feels like she wants to show "those republicans gde raki zimuyut."

Proigrayet New Hampshire - ona proletela... Yesli Edwards opyat pridet vtorim v New Hampshire ili hot' tretyim, a Barak budet perviy, vse Hillary uje soydet, imeyetsa v vidu cho boshqa joyda non yo'q :)

Potom uje mojno budet smotret' ticket: Edwards-Obama, Edwards-Richardson :cool:

[kipchak]

кипчак,фритцом пахнешь :)

Еще один брейнуашд гражданин мира...

[Alesser]

Qoravoyda ish kup! Juda muhim shtatlardan birida golib chiqdi, lek US saylash systemasi nazarimda murakkab, oldindan bir narsa deyish qiyin... uylashimcha democratlardan Obama presidentlikka asosiy nomzod buladi... fikrimcha Obamadan boshqa tuzuroq nomzod ham yuq democratlar uchun...

[Jamiyatuz]

Obama is a good candidate. but just wanted to add that hillary clinton is the only presidential hopeful that has been to uzbekistan.

[PainKiller]

Loved Obama yesterday. This is getting more and more interesting. At the end, it will be between Obama and Clinton. Too bad those redneck states will never go for Obama with his background.

[Lopiddin]

konechno tam budet spravedlivee, no vse ravno ne uvajayu yankee, tak kak suyut nos kuda hotyat, i kuda nelzya! Day Allah mira, uvidem chto budet v budushem!

[melo]

Obama is a good candidate. but just wanted to add that hillary clinton is the only presidential hopeful that has been to uzbekistan.

nope, John McCain was there in 2005. Not sure about the others.

[melo]

No comments.
Whatever the outcome of this elections whether it's Obama or Clinton,there are bound to be massive transitions within the internal and foreign affairs of the states. If I were an american I'd vote for Obama, he seems quite decent and there is a sence of hunger and ambition to help his nation to get out of the mess left by the republicans. To be honest,I couldn't care less about their internal problems such as health,immigration and so on,but I'm looking forward to changes in international agenda. Let the entertainment begin...

Don't get too excited. There won't be any changes in foreign policy. :rolleyes: What makes you think that?

[Kolobok]

Don't get too excited. There won't be any changes in foreign policy. :rolleyes: What makes you think that?
Nobody is excited, trust me...I'm the last person on this planet to give a crap about USA,however,my personal interest keeps me engaged into international diplomacy,unfortunately a word that has no longer has it's power.
Either way,I'll be laughing my socks off whatever the outcome might turn out to be,yet it would be an interesting observation from my point of view. Americans have a lot of hard work to do,their first task will be getting the Europe,mainly Germans and the French on their side,who are not that keen on Bush's foreign policy and climate change. Downing street will have it's say,which I'm looking forward to.
kipchak,not brainwashed at all,believe you me. Only 2 percent of US population consists of Jews,what does it say? It just proves,we eastern culture,mainly muslim people...have to find the courage from somewhere within get educated and act smart,not just blow ourselves. Our aggression is our weakness.

[Rise_n_Fall]

Obama is a good candidate. but just wanted to add that hillary clinton is the only presidential hopeful that has been to uzbekistan.
hmm. buni nima aloqasi bor ekan:rolleyes:

[kipchak]

...
kipchak,not brainwashed at all,believe you me. Only 2 percent of US population consists of Jews,what does it say? It just proves,we eastern culture,mainly muslim people...have to find the courage from somewhere within get educated and act smart,not just blow ourselves. Our aggression is our weakness.

Меняй учителя. Телевизор тебя далеко уведет.

[Arhimed]

vsyo eto horosho, tam tipa ravnenstvo i tak dalee, lekin baribir anglo-saxon keladi tepaga

[Dr_Didro]

vsyo eto horosho, tam tipa ravnenstvo i tak dalee, lekin baribir anglo-saxon keladi tepaga

Yoki Anglo-Saxonka :) Kill Blinton ham saksofonist edi... Hobby-si saksofonida chalish va chaldirish ekanini butun dunyoga ovoza qildi.... :cool:

http://www.californiaconservative.org/images/clinton_sax.jpg

[Kolobok]

Меняй учителя. Телевизор тебя далеко уведет.

Ignored...

[uzbekcfa2]

Меняй учителя. Телевизор тебя далеко уведет.

kipchak, your sickness has a name: jewishofobia.:lol:

[kipchak]

kipchak, your sickness has a name: jewishofobia.:lol:

your days of self honoring will soon come to an end. i would say probably by 2012.

[uzbekcfa2]

your days of self honoring will soon come to an end. i would say probably by 2012.

why 2012? why not 2011 or 2013?

[kipchak]

why 2012? why not 2011 or 2013?

Do your home work, get curious, use your brain, not your feeling, jewlover.

PS
I am sionist-hater. Some of my friends are jews. so stop this nonsense and grow up!

[uzbekcfa2]

Whoever wins, hillary or obama, democrats should win, because both of them support immigration reform(supports Bush's plan of legalizing illegal immigrants) and both are completely against iraq war.

The front runner republican candidate Mitt Romney supports iraq war, still does and he is completely against immigration reform. As a governor, he even allowed state police to deal with illegal immigrants. Such a mother****a he is. Im sure he is gonna go on a war with Iran too.


Do your home work, get curious, use your brain, not your feeling, jewlover.



PS

I am sionist-hater. Some of my friends are jews. so stop this nonsense and grow up!

just take it easy, buddy.

[melo]

Whoever wins, hillary or obama, democrats should win, because both of them support immigration reform(supports Bush's plan of legalizing illegal immigrants) and both are completely against iraq war.

The front runner republican candidate Mitt Romney supports iraq war, still does and he is completely against immigration reform. As a governor, he even allowed state police to deal with illegal immigrants. Such a mother****a he is. Im sure he is gonna go on a war with Iran too.




just take it easy, buddy.
Who said Hillary Clinton was against the Iraq war? I believe she voted for it and would stay in Iraq as along as anyone.

[uzbekcfa2]

Who said Hillary Clinton was against the Iraq war? I believe she voted for it and would stay in Iraq as along as anyone.


she voted for iraq war initially, but now she says she should have voted differently. She is against it now.

[uzbekcfa2]

So the next stop is Iran?:rolleyes:


http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/world/la-fg-iran8jan08,0,7610536.story?coll=la-home-center

[melo]

she voted for iraq war initially, but now she says she should have voted differently. She is against it now.


:lol: what a good politician.

[uzbekcfa2]

:lol: what a good politician.

yeah, she flip flops on certain issues a lot. That's why vote for Obama. but im sure as a white guy, you are not gonna vote for him, even if you know he is a better candidate. you guys rather go with someone who goes on war than a black guy. You evils!:twisted:

[_uSu_]

:lol: what a good politician.

What a u lughing at??? anyways u a gonna vote for her! No??

ps. did u eat today in McDonalds? Not yet??? howcome??? :-D

[melo]

yeah, she flip flops on certain issues a lot. That's why vote for Obama. but im sure as a white guy, you are not gonna vote for him, even if you know he is a better candidate. you guys rather go with someone who goes on war than a black guy. You evils!:twisted:

You seriously think Obama will get out of Iraq? You think he will not enagage in similar wars for economic reasons???? :rolleyes: No I don't plan on voting for him, but it depends on the cirumstance. My vote doesn't count anyways. We will see if I vote at all.

[Frida]

hold your horses people, politics and religion are personal things. :D you do not know who he is going to vote for. and have no right to blame him in racism and sexism and anything else. also, if you pay a little attention you can actually see who melo is supporting (hint:look at his signature :D)

about whites voting against Obama is just bunch of crap (those who are against the black president will vote for republican anyway, :lol: I guess. :)). lots of my friends are voting for him. in fact, majority of blacks believe that Bill Clinton was first black american president :) (cause i guess he did stuff such as affirmative action, spent lots of tax money on welfare, etc). so many blacks are supporting Hillary (I heard). so go figure.

[_uSu_]

You seriously think Obama will get out of Iraq? You think he will not enagage in similar wars for economic reasons???? :rolleyes: No I don't plan on voting for him, but it depends on the cirumstance. My vote doesn't count anyways. We will see if I vote at all.

Typical way of how americans think about politics. :lool:


ON: Bush ruleZZZ! he should ask our "president" how to stay to the third term. :)

ps. Melo, look, commies (comunists) are everywhere, they are coming to destroy ur great country, brrrrrrrrr :-D

[uzbekcfa2]

hold your horses people, politics and religion are personal things. :D you do not know who he is going to vote for. and have no right to blame him in racism and sexism and anything else. also, if you pay a little attention you can actually see who melo is supporting (hint:look at his signature :D)

about whites voting against Obama is just bunch of crap (those who are against the black president will vote for republican anyway, :lol: I guess. :)). lots of my friends are voting for him. in fact, majority of blacks believe that Bill Clinton was first black american president :) (cause i guess he did stuff such as affirmative action, spent lots of tax money on welfare, etc). so many blacks are supporting Hillary (I heard). so go figure.

most white people around you must be from dc or some liberal states. come down to the south and you will hear rednecks talkin shit about obama. one said today he will never vote for obama because his middle name is hussein.:)

Frida, try to read my posts with american brain, Im reminding this because you are thinking that im blaming melo or soemone for racism or sth. I am actually stating the fact. most white americans dont want a black president and america is a racist country. you cannot prove me wrong on this. if you can, i will take my words back.
and try to read my posts with american brain, you will digest my jokes eaiser.;)

[Frida]

What a u lughing at??? anyways u a gonna vote for her! No??

ps. did u eat today in McDonalds? Not yet??? howcome??? :-D

_uSu_ your skills of engaging in a meaningful dialogue are just amazing. :twisted:

[Frida]

most white people around you must be from dc or some liberal states. come down to the south and you will hear rednecks talkin shit about obama. one said today he will never vote for obama because his middle name is hussein.:)

Frida, try to read my posts with american brain, Im reminding this because you are thinking that im blaming melo or soemone for racism or sth. I am actually stating the fact. most white americans dont want a black president and america is a racist country. you cannot prove me wrong on this. if you can, i will take my words back.
and try to read my posts with american brain, you will digest my jokes eaiser.;)

that's why i said that those who against obama just because he is black, are most probably vote for republican anyways. (but it doesn't mean that all republicans are racist, i have seen really decent, really smart republicans, mostly they are republicans cause they believe that govern. shouldn't spend too much money) those rednecks you are talking about won't vote for a woman or for anyone else. they are gonna choose "god loving, tax reducing" white protestant male anyways.

about american brain :shock:, haven't got one, sorry.

martin, time to move to a blue state! how long you are gonna be there :), i know southern food is tastier and its quite warm there, but you are acquiring weird way of thinking there, dude. you basically think that all americans are like that. move to a blue state, try to live in a weird, pot-smoking-hippy town :lol: maybe your attitude will change. :D
imagine all the people -- living in the peace.... la-la-la :smokin:

[_uSu_]

_uSu_ your skills of engaging in a meaningful dialogue are just amazing. :twisted:

meaningful??? c'mon, don't be silly. Meaningful dialogue with american? :shock: :lool:


ps. im just jokin with melo and that's it. Don't pay attention...

[uzbekcfa2]

about american brain :shock:, haven't got one, sorry.

i didnt' mean literally using your american brain.:D anyways, you killed that expression.:twisted:

martin, time to move to a blue state! how long you are gonna be there :), i know southern food is tastier and its quite warm there, but you are acquiring weird way of thinking there, dude.

weird way of thinking?:rolleyes: why? because I think white people in my state are a bit racist.:lol:

thanks, but i like where i am now. and not only because of the food or warm wheather. took it as a compliment.;)

[uzbekcfa2]

ps. im just jokin with melo and that's it. Don't pay attention...

that's what Im trying to buzz in her.:D

[uzbekcfa2]

you basically think that all americans are like that. move to a blue state, try to live in a weird, pot-smoking-hippy town :lol: maybe your attitude will change. :D
imagine all the people -- living in the peace.... la-la-la :smokin:

lalala:lol:

living in peace...oh, how beatiful...and you suddenly wake up in the middle of your dream:lol:

honey, I have been to most places in america and Im not close-minded like the ones Im describing here. I do NOT think that all white people are like that, but the majority are:lol:. You know Im telling the truth, but you do not wanna accept it because it interferes with your "lalala" dreams. :lool:

joking, Frida dont get angry with me. I voted for you in Uzland's polls. :lol:

[Maroon]

Obama is too white for black people and not white enough for white people.

Politika eto prostitutka. :lol:

[uzbekcfa2]

Mrs. reaper you didnt mean his color, did you?:lol:

[Maroon]

Mrs. reaper you didnt mean his color, did you?:lol:

Who knows what I meant. I need to sleep. Na svejuyu golovu che nibud napishu. :lol:

[uzbekcfa2]

Who knows what I meant. I need to sleep. Na svejuyu golovu che nibud napishu. :lol:


aaaaaaaaaa...vse uje pozdno...:lol:

:lool: :lool:

When I first read it, I thought you were joking, but no, you were not.

You rock, Mr's Reaper. :lol:

[Frida]

la-la-la :smokin: i will continue dreaming about better times, when white and black, and all other "dividing features" are invisible, are gone. hey, once somebody told me that i live in unreachable future. :lol: lemme be.

just kidding, i know what you mean. race is still issue, sadly.

[Frida]

Who knows what I meant. I need to sleep. Na svejuyu golovu che nibud napishu

Really, what you are doing in forum, isn't like 5 am in Tashkent. If you are there of course. You are either very eeeeeearly bird, or really crazy/dedicated :lol: to stay up so late (or early?). :D

[uzbekcfa2]

unfortunately, you can never achieve equality. equality is impossible in anything, but you can achieve relatively small inequality.
In general, i sign up for your ideas. ;)

[HAKIKAT]

Bu yerda butun fikr mulohazalarni öqidimu lekin Obama'ning Islom bilan aloqali habarlarini hich yozmabsizlarku...

Bazilarning tahminiga köra Obama Hristian körinsa ham chin qalbdan musulmonmish!!!

Lekin u öz tili bilan Hristian ekanligini etirof etdi.

Was Barack Obama a Muslim? (http://www.danielpipes.org/article/5286)

salomlar

[forex]

Bu yerda butun fikr mulohazalarni öqidimu lekin Obama'ning Islom bilan aloqali habarlarini hich yozmabsizlarku...

Bazilarning tahminiga köra Obama Hristian körinsa ham chin qalbdan musulmonmish!!!

Lekin u öz tili bilan Hristian ekanligini etirof etdi.

Was Barack Obama a Muslim? (http://www.danielpipes.org/article/5286)

salomlar

My father was from Kenya, and a lot of people in his village were Muslim. He didn't practice Islam. Truth is he wasn't very religious. He met my mother. My mother was a Christian from Kansas, and they married and then divorced. I was raised by my mother. So, I've always been a Christian. The only connection I've had to Islam is that my grandfather on my father's side came from that country. But I've never practiced Islam. … For a while, I lived in Indonesia because my mother was teaching there. And that's a Muslim country. And I went to school. But I didn't practice. But what I do think it does is it gives me insight into how these folks think, and part of how I think we can create a better relationship with the Middle East and that would help make us safer is if we can understand how they think about issues.


It looks like he is terrified by the idea that Americans may think that he practices Islam.He refutes it every time he gets a chance.No matter what he says,I don't think he will be elected,no black person will become a president of this country,not in this world.

[UzLand]

My father was from Kenya

ростданми?:)

[melo]

Are you guys under the impression there is a country that is not racist? :rolleyes:

[forex]

Are you guys under the impression there is a country that is not racist? :rolleyes:

It's not the country,it's the people who are racists.Yes, you can see this in all the countries,but Americans are the most racist people on the face of the earth,well maybe next to Europeans:)

[melo]

It's not the country,it's the people who are racists.Yes, you can see this in all the countries,but Americans are the most racist people on the face of the earth,well maybe next to Europeans:)

I think it is universal actually. Some people discriminate against anyone who looks different or from another area. I think that is true across the world. :( I just think t is funny people are making a distinction about the US being racist. Name any country where a member from a minority ethinic group that wins an election fairly. The US might be the first. :lol:

[Maroon]

Really, what you are doing in forum, isn't like 5 am in Tashkent. If you are there of course. You are either very eeeeeearly bird, or really crazy/dedicated :lol: to stay up so late (or early?). :D

aaaaaaaaaa...vse uje pozdno...:lol:

:lool: :lool:

When I first read it, I thought you were joking, but no, you were not.

You rock, Mr's Reaper. :lol:

"Mr's "?

I know. I really do rock. :smokin:


Frida, I am dissapointed. I thought there'd be no doubt in my craziness. :D

Obama is hot though. :lol:

[Rise_n_Fall]

My father was from Kenya, and a lot of people in his village were Muslim. He didn't practice Islam. Truth is he wasn't very religious. He met my mother. My mother was a Christian from Kansas, and they married and then divorced. I was raised by my mother. So, I've always been a Christian. The only connection I've had to Islam is that my grandfather on my father's side came from that country. But I've never practiced Islam. … For a while, I lived in Indonesia because my mother was teaching there. And that's a Muslim country. And I went to school. But I didn't practice. But what I do think it does is it gives me insight into how these folks think, and part of how I think we can create a better relationship with the Middle East and that would help make us safer is if we can understand how they think about issues.


It looks like he is terrified by the idea that Americans may think that he practices Islam.He refutes it every time he gets a chance.No matter what he says,I don't think he will be elected,no black person will become a president of this country,not in this world.
Of course he is terrified. He knows that he'll be out if he shows even little flexibility to Islam.

[Dr_Didro]

Ya nikogda ne somnevalsa v hitrosti jenshin. I segodnya daje amerikanci podkupilis na eto. Hillary Clinton viigrala primaries v New Hampshire. A chem? Stoilo yey utrom sentimentalno, slezivo zagovorit' o tom chto ona jenshina, i u neyo toje yest chuvstva... tak vse... kak govoritsya podkupilis' - they bought it :lol:

A kak ona nayehala na Obamu.... tipa: Vot Obama krichit about Let's Change the US, change the policy... Come on guys, he is a man and I am a woman, if I come to the White House that means a change... huh! Tipa hvatit s mujikov pora jenshinam rulit'...

Nu a chto dlya menya prikolno... eto to chto vo vremya moyego pribivaniya v US, ya stal ochevidcem prezidenta idiota (trudniy sluchay) i mojet bit' stanu svidetelem hitrosti amerikanskoy jenshini.... another trudniy sluchay... anyway dlya menya glavnoye v konce goda chtob nalogov pomenshe platili :cool:

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087&sid=aUoJb5PwEAjk&refer=home

[uzbekcfa2]

if Obama could win in NH, in the next 2 states he could win very easily.
Now it's getting very interesting.:)

[Dr_Didro]

Keyingisi Michiganda adashmasam... aksariyati konservatorlar ... yana Klinton oladi-yoov ;)

[forex]

Ya nikogda ne somnevalsa v hitrosti jenshin. I segodnya daje amerikanci podkupilis na eto. Hillary Clinton viigrala primaries v New Hampshire. A chem? Stoilo yey utrom sentimentalno, slezivo zagovorit' o tom chto ona jenshina, i u neyo toje yest chuvstva... tak vse... kak govoritsya podkupilis' - they bought it :lol:

A kak ona nayehala na Obamu.... tipa: Vot Obama krichit about Let's Change the US, change the policy... Come on guys, he is a man and I am a woman, if I come to the White House that means a change... huh! Tipa hvatit s mujikov pora jenshinam rulit'...

Nu a chto dlya menya prikolno... eto to chto vo vremya moyego pribivaniya v US, ya stal ochevidcem prezidenta idiota (trudniy sluchay) i mojet bit' stanu svidetelem hitrosti amerikanskoy jenshini.... another trudniy sluchay... anyway dlya menya glavnoye v konce goda chtob nalogov pomenshe platili :cool:

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087&sid=aUoJb5PwEAjk&refer=home


Солик камрок туламокчи булсангиз уйланинг,уй олинг,ну и в конце концов, бир иккита бола куринг:)
Ерталаб ишга кетишдан олдин озгина "presidential elections" обзор томоша килябман,бугун Обама гапирган эди,тити-пити килиб саволларга жавоб бера олмай колябти,кискаси уни президент килмаймиз,узимизни Абдулла Тожибой углини олиб келамиз:)

[Kolobok]

Obama has the rock star appeal,doesn't he?:) He looks as a breath of fresh air,but I think when it comes down to cold numbers by the end of the year,he won't stand a chance. But I'd like to see him win the elections though.

[dauphin]

Bill Richardson: Obama is a change Hillary has deep experience, but if you choose me you will get both change and experience. He said that very seriously, he did not recognize that it is funny until crowd laughed. :lool: :lool:

Barack is an excellent speaker, looks like he knows how to lead. He has strong voice looks like he knows what he is talking about. That was a very good speech. YouTube - Barack Obama Iowa Caucus Victory Speech

[uzbekcfa2]

hillarious.:D

I got a crush on Obama by Obama girl

YouTube - "I Got a Crush...On Obama" By Obama Girl

this one is a killer.:lol: Obama girls vs. Giuliani girls.

YouTube - Debate '08: Obama Girl vs Giuliani Girl

[Kolobok]

Haha,this is hillarious,reminds me of russian version of "takogo kak Putin". Good job.

[fidis]

YouTube - fired up! ready to go! kidz for obama

[Magnolia]

Doesn't it sound odd that America screams for equality but in reality against it?
How many black senators were there since Reconstruction?

sorry to dissapoint but Obama is third one :)

[dauphin]

Obama talking about story behind "fired up and ready to go" chant. http://ru.youtube.com/watch?v=SHfbKTiUH8U&eurl=http://forum.arbuz.com/showthread.php?p=905601
She is really good :)

[Zamon]

skoree vsego Hillary Clinton vygraet democratic primary a iz respublikancev John Maccain, sredi Demokraticheskoi partii US stanovitsa mnogo i mnogo jelayushih uvidet Clinton+Obama ticket, toest kandidatom v Prezidenty stanet Hillary a kandidatom vice president stanet Obama, togda oni tochno smogli by vygrat' vybory, no uveren hot kto stanet ksndidstom Demokraty vse ravno vygrayut etot god, tak kak Amerika ustala ot Respublikancev, i sama Respublikanskaya partiya prosto perestala nablyudat svoi je pravila i cennosti (core values) less government, menshe nalogov, silnaya ekonomika, fiskalnaya konservatizm, i konechno christian morale, na samom dele deficit byudjeta Ameriki stala samim bolshym v istorii etoi strany, ogromny vneshny dolg, bolshye nalogi srednemu klassu, provalennaya vneshnaya politika, voyna v Irake, provalennaya immigracionnaya politika i konechno sami politiki respublikancy, korrupciya procvetaet, a sluchay v tualete s Senatorom respubikancem iz Idaho.. ili kongresmena iz Floridy brrrr ..... eto partiya medlenno umiraet, hot i povtoryaut imya Ronalda Reygena no chto smojet delat mertvy chelovek? teper Amerika nadolgo zabudet neokonov. Spasibo tebe G. W. Bush :cool: za takoi podarok

[Rise_n_Fall]

Those who are watching the US elections know that Barak Obama has already taken some important steps towards presidency. If he manages to become the next president of the US, will he bring the promised change to America (and the world)? Because a 'black US president' itself already means a lot.
So what can the world expect from Obama?

http://d.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/nm/20080213/2008_02_13t110834_343x450_us_usa_politics_1.jpg?

[Demir Kağan]

It's so hard for me to believe in that Obama or Hillary can be president. I do not think American Gladio can let this happen. They will prevent this because one of them is black and the other one is a woman.

[Maroon]

Gosh, Hillary sucks big time. That woman and her PMS (in her case menopause I guess, LOL). I used to like her before, but she is being a major bitch and lost all kind of credibility in my eyes.

BTW, I laughed so much when Putin slammed Hillary's comment (http://www.reuters.com/article/politicsNews/idUSN0633656720080107?feedType=RSS&feedName=politicsNews&rpc=22&sp=true), and said "At a minimum, a head of state should have a head." :lol:

[AL-Midwest]

Gosh, Hillary sucks big time. That woman and her PMS (in her case menopause I guess, LOL). I used to like her before, but she is being a major bitch and lost all kind of credibility in my eyes.

BTW, I laughed so much when Putin slammed Hillary's comment (http://www.reuters.com/article/politicsNews/idUSN0633656720080107?feedType=RSS&feedName=politicsNews&rpc=22&sp=true), and said "At a minimum, a head of state should have a head." :lol:

It's funny to watch how presidential try to slash president Putin and numerously calling him untrustworthy since he was a KGB. At the same time they were part of the goverment that made numerous mistakes in direction of positive politics and failed to come together as one unified force.
I deeply respect president Putin, he truly cared about his nation and made the country fiscally responsible. Because of his leadership Russia again has become a dominant force on world politics. It's sad to watch how they like to point to outsiders and try to say they were no part of any mess in the US.
I wanted to see the frontrunners come up and accept at least once their mistakes, plus talk to people in simple language. The language has no fancy rhetoric or no hidden agenda.

[Magnolia]

Either way I think Obama/Clinton duo will be beneficial as P/VP (don't make difference to me who sits as P,cuz there is a good VP in both cases :))

[Rise_n_Fall]

Either way I think Obama/Clinton duo will be beneficial as P/VP (don't make difference to me who sits as P,cuz there is a good VP in both cases :))
How do you rate the Democrats' chances to win the elections?

[Magnolia]

How do you rate the Democrats' chances to win the elections?

Seeing that america is still racist and sexist country I'd say minimal.

When Chelsea Clinton was promoting her mothers campaign a few days ago I personally heard a group of students discussing McCain and how "cool" and "down to earth" he is...they also brought up the fact that he was POW for some time (why does every campaign include military service and how they "chose" to defend their precious honor?)

[Rise_n_Fall]

Seeing that america is still racist and sexist country I'd say minimal.

When Chelsea Clinton was promoting her mothers campaign a few days ago I personally heard a group of students discussing McCain and how "cool" and "down to earth" he is...they also brought up the fact that he was POW for some time (why does every campaign include military service and how they "chose" to defend their precious honor?)
yeah, this is the matter of honor. You cant expect something else.

[Maroon]

I'd like to see Obama/Edwards.

Both are young, energetic, smart, and good looking chaps. :D


Hillary, has too many bitch-fits. :lol:

[uzbekcfa2]

Edwards is too soft, like John Kerry (ketchup guy:lol:)

If Obama gets elected, watch the duo Obama - Oprah...how abou that?:lol:

[Maroon]

Edwards is too soft, like John Kerry (ketchup guy:lol:)

If Obama gets elected, watch the duo Obama - Oprah...how abou that?:lol:

If Obama gets elected, she'll have all she wants with a title or without.;)

[Samimiy]

Prediction markets are an extremely interesting and accurate way of analyzing candidates' chances of getting elected.

Here is an article from NYTimes about prediction markets:

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/02/13/business/13leonhardt.html?_r=1&oref=slogin


Here's a popular prediction market:

http://www.intrade.com/

Accroding to trades in intrade, Obama has a 72% chance of winning the Democratic nomination, against Clinton's 27%

[Gareeb]

Kimning prezident bo'lishi AQSH tashqi siyosatiga jiddiy ta'sir etmasada, negadir Barak Obama saylanishini istayapman.

[uzbekcfa2]

Latinos will vote for Hillary. So if hillary picks up Texas, Ohio and Pennsylvania, she will win the nomination, even though Obama will end up with most states won. The reason is those 3 states have the largest number of delegates and on Super Tuesday Hillary had a momentum for winning the biggest states like New York and California. Dont forget most of the superdelegates favor Hillary. So if the former first lady sweeps ohio, texas and Penn, she will win the nomination, no matter how many states Obama will win. For some reason, latinos love hillary.:)

[melo]

Seeing that america is still racist and sexist country I'd say minimal.

When Chelsea Clinton was promoting her mothers campaign a few days ago I personally heard a group of students discussing McCain and how "cool" and "down to earth" he is...they also brought up the fact that he was POW for some time (why does every campaign include military service and how they "chose" to defend their precious honor?)


Which particular country is less racist than the US? :rolleyes: I get tired of reading this on the forum all the time like it is a fact that the US is the most racist country in the world. The fact is that either Obama or Clinton will probably win the 2008 election. Also name another country where getting a job or studying is so easy as a foreigner or non-majority ethnicity. I'm not saying its perfect of course, but I have never heard of a country that is welcoming to other ethnicities anywhere else. I certainly can't believe it is worse than other countries.

[melo]

On topic: I am not particularly excited about any of these candidates. They can shut up about change too, because nobody with a brain beleives that.

[Odildustov]

Mani shahsiy firkimcha bu yerda Obamani /qora tanli/ni oldinga quyib chiqish bilan har saylovdagi bir hillikdan chiqib qora tanlilarni ovozini tuplash maqsad qilingan. har bir partiyada mission bir hil /iroqdan askarlarni demobilize qilish/ bulgani uchun boshqa candidatelardan ustun chiqishni bir yuli qora tanlilarni ovozini bir joyga jamlash eng yahshi samara beradi. qolganini usha partiya uzini yulida davom etaveradi.

[Magnolia]

Which particular country is less racist than the US? :rolleyes: I get tired of reading this on the forum all the time like it is a fact that the US is the most racist country in the world. The fact is that either Obama or Clinton will probably win the 2008 election. Also name another country where getting a job or studying is so easy as a foreigner or non-majority ethnicity. I'm not saying its perfect of course, but I have never heard of a country that is welcoming to other ethnicities anywhere else. I certainly can't believe it is worse than other countries.

Well recently Russia has succeded to become more nationalistic than US :)
Yes,I agree that there are far more chances given by America then any other country but I was referring to the fact that Obama is black and Hillary is a woman
(Im leaving out the fact about immigrants,thats a whole different story,in my opinion immigrants /not all,mind you\ take advantage of US government and benefits provided to the low-income families)

Hillary pushes a public insurance issue,whats Obama's point?

[Rise_n_Fall]

Prediction markets are an extremely interesting and accurate way of analyzing candidates' chances of getting elected.

Here is an article from NYTimes about prediction markets:

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/02/13/business/13leonhardt.html?_r=1&oref=slogin


Here's a popular prediction market:

http://www.intrade.com/

Accroding to trades in intrade, Obama has a 72% chance of winning the Democratic nomination, against Clinton's 27%

These predictions or unofficial polls seem like nothing but they do effect the overall results. :)

[Asadbek]

Barak Obama. Clinton yutib chiqishi kutilgan Wisconsinda ham Barak Obama 58 % ovoz bilan ustun keldi, Clintonga 41% odam ovoz bergan... Wisconsinda ovoz berganlarning 3/2 qismi ovoz berishdan so'ng o'tkazilgan so'rovnomada Barak Obama foydasiga o'z qarorlarini o'tgan oy qabul qilganliklarini bildirishgan. Asosan Clintonga ovoz berishi kutilayotgan oq tanli saylovchilar tobora Barak Obama tarafiga o'tmoqdalar. :)

AQSHdagi bu yilgi Prezident saylovi Obama va McCain o'rtasida o'tadi, bunga shubham yo'q :)

[Maroon]

Ha Obama kick butt qilyapti. :D No kak bi tam ne bilo, in the end it is the so called "super delegates" who decide.

[Black]

Obama fights false links to Islam (http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080228/ap_on_el_pr/obama_muslim_myth)

WASHINGTON - For Barack Obama, it is an ember that he has doused time and again, only to see it flicker anew: links to Islam fanned by false rumors, innuendo and association. Obama and his campaign reacted strongly this week when a photo of him in Kenyan tribal garb began spreading on the Internet.

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And the praise he received Sunday from Nation of Islam Minister Louis Farrakhan prompted pointed questions — during Tuesday night's presidential debate and also in a private meeting over the weekend with Jewish leaders in Cleveland.

During the debate, Obama repeated his denunciation of Farrakhan's views, which have included numerous anti-Semitic comments. And, after being pressed, he rejected Farrakhan's support in the presidential race.

The Democratic candidate says repeatedly that he's a Christian who took the oath of office on a family Bible. Yet on the Internet and on talk radio — and in a campaign introduction for John McCain this week — he is often depicted, falsely, as a Muslim with shadowy ties and his middle name, Hussein, is emphasized as a reminder of Iraq's former leader.

"If anyone is still puzzled about the facts, in fact I have never been a Muslim," he told the Jewish leaders in Cleveland, according to a transcript of the private session.

The photo of Obama wearing Kenyan tribal raiments — taken by an Associated Press photographer during his visit in 2006 to the country where his father was born — resurfaced on the Internet amid unsubstantiated claims that it was being circulated by members of Hillary Rodham Clinton's campaign. Clinton and her aides said they had nothing to do with it. The Obama campaign accused them of "shameful, offensive fear-mongering."

On Tuesday Republican candidate McCain denounced the introduction he got in Cincinnati that criticized Obama in vivid terms. Talk show host Bill Cunningham referred to Obama three times as "Barack Hussein Obama" and called him a "hack, Chicago-style" politician during the introduction of McCain.

The Obama campaign is closely attuned to the rumors and insinuations. Information on Obama's Christian faith is prominently available on the "Know the facts" page of his Web site. The campaign has distributed flyers to churches in states with presidential contests. And it encourages supporters to flag any attack that may make its way into cyberspace.

"Our campaign is vigilant in quickly responding to any information about Senator Obama that surfaces, be it on the Internet, in the media or from our opponents," spokesman Bill Burton said Wednesday.

If there is confusion — and opportunity for political mischief — it derives at least in part from Obama's rich cultural background. His mother was a white woman from Kansas, his father was Kenyan and he spent part of his childhood in Indonesia, a largely Muslim country.

"My grandfather, who was Kenyan, converted to Christianity, then converted to Islam," Obama said Sunday. "My father never practiced; he was basically agnostic. So, other than my name and the fact that I lived in a populous Muslim country for four years when I was a child, I have very little connection to the Islamic religion."

Obama has become careful in denouncing the links, lately noting that some rumors about him also have been insulting to Muslims. Jim Zogby, founder and president of the Arab American Institute, said many Arab Americans are drawn to Obama because of his cultural background.

"It is clear he wants to have a broader relationship with the Muslim world," Zogby said. "He has a biography that connects him to the Muslim world."

Obama, though in the presidential limelight now for more than a year, is still introducing himself to voters. An AP-Yahoo poll in January asked people to volunteer the first few words that came to mind about each of the candidates, and 4 percent of the respondents, unprompted, mentioned the word Muslim when describing Obama.

Some of the rumors and allegations about Obama are clearly not true, yet still spread, often anonymously:

• A debunked chain e-mail circulating widely on the Internet suggests he is hiding his Islamic roots. It says he was sworn into the Senate on the Quran and turns his back on the flag during the Pledge of Allegiance.

He took his Senate oath with his hand on a family Bible, and he says, "Whenever I'm in the United States Senate, I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America." In fact, no candidate could survive if he publicly spurned the pledge.

• Another false report says he attended a Muslim madrassa school as a child in Jakarta. Obama was born in Hawaii and moved to Indonesia when he was 6 to live with his mother and stepfather. He returned to Hawaii when he was 10 to live with his maternal grandparents. Interviews last year by The Associated Press at the elementary school in Jakarta found that it is a public and secular institution and has been open to students of all faiths since before Obama attended in the late 1960s. Said vice principal Akmad Solichin: "Yes, most of our students are Muslim, but there are Christians as well. Everyone's welcome here."

• Obama also has faced questions about his pastor at Trinity United Church of Christ in Chicago, where he has been a member for 20 years. Trinity calls itself "Unashamedly Black and Unapologetically Christian." But it accepts non-black congregants. The United Church of Christ's president and general minister, the Rev. John H. Thomas, was quoted in a church publication as pointing out that the Rev. Jane Fisler-Hoffman, Illinois Conference Minister, who is white, "has been a member of the congregation for years."

• Obama has been asked about Farrakhan's words of praise and Farrakhan's receipt of an award from "Trumpet Newsmagazine," a Trinity church publication last month. Obama told Jewish leaders Sunday: "An award was given to Farrakhan for his work on behalf of ex-offenders completely unrelated to his controversial statements. And I believe that was a mistake and showed a lack of sensitivity to the Jewish community and I said so."

Farrakhan did not endorse Obama but said Sunday: "This young man is the hope of the entire world that America will change and be made better." Asked Tuesday night whether he would accept support from Farrakhan, Obama said: "I live in Chicago. He lives in Chicago. I've been very clear, in terms of me believing that what he has said is reprehensible and inappropriate. And I have consistently distanced myself from him."

Following an exchange with Clinton, he then added: "There's no formal offer of help from Minister Farrakhan that would involve me rejecting it. But if the word 'reject' Senator Clinton feels is stronger than the word 'denounce,' then I'm happy to concede the point, and I would reject and denounce."

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Why so much fuss about that (that Obama "is secretly" a Muslim)?! I think americans in general are islamaphobic, that is why Obama's opponents are using his past to scare ordinary americans.......

[fidis]

I hope America won't get into a deep recession or default after Obama's election.

[uzbekcfa2]

I hope America won't get into a deep recession or default after Obama's election.


why you think so?

Obama's signature word is "change"...people who vote for obama, including white americans are optimistic about the future...they hope for a change...but to be honest, Mccain seems to be more popular than obama when it comes to economy. we will see how things will turn out. Let's not count hillary out yet. She may stay in the race if she wins next 3 big states. I myself would vote for Obama...however, there is one reason that could change my mind...Cherniye... period!...Qoralar konkretno ofiget qiladi lekin, Obama prezident bulib qolsa :D... That's why if you notice most of the superdelegates(who are mostly top-class people, vote for hillary)...but I have to admit, Obama seems to be smarter than hillary.

[Arhimed]

Ayan Republicanlar keladimi deymanda tepaga. Black president hech ham tasavvurga sig'maydi

[Rise_n_Fall]

I hope America won't get into a deep recession or default after Obama's election.
I also hope so.

[melo]

I also hope so.

Too late for that. The US will go into a recession no matter what anyone does now.

[benq35]

YouTube - Obama Preacher Speech Jaramiah Wright
Obama Preacher Speech Jaramiah Wright

Jesus is Black :shock:

[benq35]

YouTube - AMERICA OUTRAGED BARACK OBAMA & PASTOR "GOD DAMN AMERICA"

[melo]

YouTube - Obama Preacher Speech Jaramiah Wright (http://youtube.com/watch?v=n3WtDdIgHMA&feature=related)
Obama Preacher Speech Jaramiah Wright

Jesus is Black :shock:

Did you think he was super white with blond hair? :lool:

[benq35]

[quote=melo;936463]Did you think he was super white with blond hair? :lool:[/quote

ну живых свидетелей не осталось
хотя вполне мог быть муллатом.

[rosefire]

"WASHINGTON - The State Department says it is trying to determine whether three contract workers had a political motive for looking at Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama's passport file. "
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080321/ap_on_el_pr/obama_passport

[AbuMuslim]

Ислом ҳақиқий илоҳий дин эканининг яна бир исботи - унинг рекламага муҳтож эмаслиги. Инсонлар томонидан ўйлаб топилган баҳаизм, конфуцианизм ва шу каби бошқа «...изм»лар реклама учун йилига миллиардлаб доллар пул сарфлаётганларига қарамай, Ислом динининг яқинига ҳам йўлай олишаётгани йўқ.

Шу динга эътиқод қиладиганларнинг сонини бир четга қўйиб турайлик, ҳатто матбуотларда тилга олиниш бўйича ҳам Ислом ҳозир якка пешқадамга айланиб олган. Қани энди шундан кейин ҳам биронта ғайридин «мен беайбман - менга Ислом хабари етиб келмаган эди» деб кўрсин-чи!

Хуллас, Исломнинг ҳамма соҳага кириб бораётгани ҳақида. Ишонасизми-йўқми, Ислом биринчи марта ҳатто Америка президентлигига сайлов масаласида ҳам тилга олина бошлади. 2008 йил АҚШ Президенти бўлиши катта тахмин қилинаётган Барак Обама (Вагасk Оbаmа) Ислом ҳақида расмий баёнот берди.
«Америка ким бўлибди-ю, унинг ҳали сайланмаган президентининг баёноти нима бўларди?» дерсиз. Йўқ, энг қизиғи, у Исломни мақтаб баёнот бергани йўқ, Ислом ҳақида ёмон фикр ҳам билдирмади. Фақат - «мен Ислом динида эмасман. Мени мусулмон деяётганларнинг гаплари ёлғон» деб расман эълон қилди. Нимага дейсизми? Тиниб-тинчимас АҚШ журналистлари уни шунга мажбур қилишди. Сиз диққат билан қулоқ солинг, мен ҳаммасини бир бошдан гапириб бераман! Америка Қўшма штатларида навбатдаги президент сайловлари 2008 йил ноябрь ойида ўтказилади. Лекин шунга қарамай ҳозир сайловолди ҳаракатлари роса авжига чиққан давр, чунки-навбатдаги сайлов мамлакат тарихидаги энг қиммат сайлов бўлиши тахмин қилинмокда. Ҳисоб-китобларга қараганда, президент этиб сайланадиган номзод тахминан бир миллиард доллар (!) атрофида пул сарфлаши керак. Тағин ўз чўнтагидан, давлат ғазнасидан эмас. 2008 йил ноябрда ўтадиган сайловга 2006 февралдан тайёргарлик бошланганининг сабаби ҳам асли шунда - номзодларга кўпроқ пул тўплаш учун имконият бериш. Ахир, улар ўша бир миллиардни сарфлашдан ташқари унинг қаердан келганини ҳам исботлаб бера олишлари керак. Бу эса пулни топишдан ҳам кўра даҳмазалироқ масала.
Хуллас, одатдагидек икки етакчи партия - республикачилар ва демократлар бир йилдан бери ўз номзодларини сайловчилар билан учраштириш, уларнинг режаларини ҳаммага таништириш билан овора. Айни пайтда номзодларнинг сони ҳам анчагина, адашмасам 20та. Келаси йил охирига бориб элак сувдан кўтарилганда сараланиб қолади, деб тахмин қилинаётганлари эса қаҳрамонимиз Барак Обама, собиқ президент Билл Клинтоннинг турмуш ўртоғи Хиллари Клинтон ва яна биз танимайдиган 3—4 номзод. Ҳозир улар ҳақида АҚШ матбуоти шу қадар кўп ёза бошлаганки, номзодларнинг хатти-ҳаракатлари, камчиликлари, собиқ ўртоқлари ва ёшлигида нима ишлар билан машғул бўлгани ҳам эътибордан четда қолмаяпти. Барак Обаманинг Исломга алоқадорлиги ҳам ўша журналистларнинг навбатдаги мақоласидан бошланди.
Маълум бўлишича, Баракнинг отаси асли Африканинг Кения давлатида ту