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Пушкарева
10-25-2006, 02:52 PM
By Michael Conlon
Wed Oct 25, 1:20 PM ET



CHICAGO (Reuters) - Pop star Madonna, in her first public comments on adopting a Malawian boy, said she had clear face-to-face permission from the child's father, and worried

the ensuing controversy will chill other adoptions from Africa.

The American singer told talk show host Oprah Winfrey that she and her husband, British film director Guy Ritchie, had met the boy's father in court.

"He looked into my eyes and said to me that he was very grateful that I was going to give his son a life, and that had he kept his son with him in the village he would have buried him."

"I didn't really need any more ... confirmation ... that I was doing the right thing, and I had his blessing" the singer said in an interview from London taped on Tuesday and aired on the syndicated show on Wednesday.

The 1-year-old child was flown from Malawi, a Southern African country that has been hard hit by AIDS, last week to live with Madonna and her family in London after the Malawian government granted a temporary adoption order.

The child's father, Yohane Banda, told Reuters Television at the weekend that he never intended his son to be adopted by Madonna. A senior Malawian government official dismissed the remarks as untrue and said the authorities had explained the process to Banda.

The adoption has caused a storm of controversy.

Malawian child rights groups, accusing the government of breaking the law in granting an interim adoption order to a non-resident, are challenging the process in court.

Final approval for the adoption order is expected in 18 months.

Critics of the adoption say Madonna used her fame and wealth to put the process on a fast track.

Madonna said such arrangements are made when adoptive parents cannot spend the first year and a half in the African country.

FATHER 'TERRORIZED' BY MEDIA

The child is now at Madonna's London home with her other two children -- daughter Lourdes, 10, and son Rocco, 6.

Time Magazine on its Web site carried an interview with the father, who is quoted as saying he will not insist that the boy be returned, though he did not understand the child would be gone "for good" when he gave his permission to Madonna.

Madonna said she believed the media had manipulated David's father to say he did not know what he had agreed to.

The boy's father is a "a simple man who comes from a village." He has been terrorized by the press which has spun out a "completely false" story, the entertainer said.

She said she promised the father that she would bring the boy back for visits. By giving David an education and a better life, she said, he may some day be able to return to his homeland and help people there.

Madonna said she and her husband had planned on adopting two years ago, not knowing where they would adopt. She said it was her charity work in Malawi that brought them to David.

David had spent most of his life in an orphanage with 500 other children although his father was alive. Madonna said she was told his mother and three siblings had died of AIDS and added, "from my perspective, there was no one looking after David's welfare."

She said she was discouraged by the negative publicity.

"I'm disappointed because it discourages other people from doing the same thing -- for anybody who had the idea that they, too, would like to open their home and give a life to a child living in an orphanage who might possibly not live past the age of 5," she said.

"I feel like the media is doing a great disservice to all the orphans of Africa, period, not just Malawi, by turning it into such a negative thing."

Madonna said when she met David he had severe pneumonia and could hardly breathe. He was still a little ill, but "he's much better than he was when we found him," she said.

melo
10-25-2006, 03:02 PM
As far as I know, the laws in Uzbekistan prohibit any adoptions to non citizens. Kyrgyzstan was the same way. The only way a child could be adopted to a family outside the country was through a decision by the president. Good luck with that one.:rolleyes:

Пушкарева
10-25-2006, 03:24 PM
If I were to decide, I would allow international adoption in my country or would recommend it to other developing nations. Or course, the system requires a thorough adminsitrative and legal framework that would eliminate any possibility of trafficking to children labor or for any other inhumane purposes.

However, my main argument favoring the adoption of kids from poor developing societies by families in more prosperous countries, is that this way kids would get an adequate nutrition, housing, education, health services, i.e. better life quality.


As far as I know, the laws in Uzbekistan prohibit any adoptions to non citizens. Kyrgyzstan was the same way. The only way a child could be adopted to a family outside the country was through a decision by the president. Good luck with that one.:rolleyes:

melo
10-25-2006, 03:44 PM
If I were to decide, I would allow international adoption in my country or would recommend it to other developing nations. Or course, the system requires a thorough adminsitrative and legal framework that would eliminate any possibility of trafficking to children labor or for any other inhumane purposes.

However, my main argument favoring the adoption of kids from poor developing societies by families in more prosperous countries, is that this way kids would get an adequate nutrition, housing, education, health services, i.e. better life quality.

On the other side, Kazkakhstan is known for adoptions to foreigners. That is one of the major places people go to adopt children from the U.S.

Uzbekistan seems to allow for the trafficing of women and promote child labor, so I do not think they are that worried about children being sold for labor to other countries.

Пушкарева
10-25-2006, 03:51 PM
On the other side, Kazkakhstan is known for adoptions to foreigners. That is one of the major places people go to adopt children from the U.S.

Uzbekistan seems to allow for the trafficing of women and promote child labor, so I do not think they are that worried about children being sold for labor to other countries.

You should expect that some people's misunderstanding of your point and thus being lynched for that :)

I understand what you mean, however do not think that foreign adoption will be introduced in Uzb. Although, as I said earlier, I would allow it.

Пушкарева
10-25-2006, 03:52 PM
On the other side, Kazkakhstan is known for adoptions to foreigners. That is one of the major places people go to adopt children from the U.S.

Uzbekistan seems to allow for the trafficing of women and promote child labor, so I do not think they are that worried about children being sold for labor to other countries.

You should expect some people's misunderstanding of your point and thus being lynched for that :)

I understand what you mean, however do not think that foreign adoption will be introduced in Uzb in the nearest future. Although, as I said it earlier, I would allow it.

melo
10-25-2006, 04:05 PM
I understand what you mean, however do not think that foreign adoption will be introduced in Uzb. Although, as I said earlier, I would allow it.

I don't think it will change either. Everyone always says that the children are the future of the country and letting them leave is like ruining the future. I guess the coniditions of orphans must be so wonderful that they grow up to be healthy, happy Uzbek citizens. :rolleyes: I can't understand why anyone would stop a child from growing up in a family instead of in an orphanage. Seems like cruelty to me.

melo
10-25-2006, 04:13 PM
You should expect some people's misunderstanding of your point and thus being lynched for that :)


Someone people like to live in an imaginary world where everything is perfect. I wish I lived in that world. If it wasn't true I wouldn't have said it. I can list lots of example though. :(

infolife
10-26-2006, 04:14 AM
On the other side, Kazkakhstan is known for adoptions to foreigners. That is one of the major places people go to adopt children from the U.S.

Uzbekistan seems to allow for the trafficing of women and promote child labor, so I do not think they are that worried about children being sold for labor to other countries.

There are many things in Uzbekistan that you don't agree with,not just this one.
I have worked at the orphanage and I guarantee it was the best one in Buhkara. Some arab man from Saudi had given so much monet and visited the orphanage a few times. Yet, what children eat there is....:( The staff is so horrible:( slapping them on face and making them mop the floors:(
It is only for celebrations like Eid or Navruz they get nice food for a few days.

It's hard enough to adopt a child for uzbek citizens. I remember couple of parents coming to adopt a child. The first couple after all what they went through were not allowed to adopt, low salary. Which means some 60% of uzbeks can't adopt as they work on farms unless they get the orphanage director bribed as was the case of second couple.

You would wonder why does the goverment is so brutal even to 3-4-5 year old children(fair enough to adult men and women who supposedly are islamist and want to overthrow the goverment,heh). But these are kids, man. They are entitled to live a proper life, in a family environment, not in the hands of cruel nurses at the orphanage.

I think all orphanage in the world should be open for foreigners to go and adopt a child.

infolife
10-26-2006, 04:22 AM
If I were to decide, I would allow international adoption in my country or would recommend it to other developing nations. Or course, the system requires a thorough adminsitrative and legal framework that would eliminate any possibility of trafficking to children labor or for any other inhumane purposes.


As if Uzbek goverment would worry about child labor of uzbek kids or where it forces the children aged as young as 8 to work in cotton fields picking up cotton for 2-3 months the beginning of school term. Child labor is widely promoted by Uzbek goverment that turned the children into cotton picking slaves.

As if Uzbek goverment would worry about kids being used in inhumane purposes where it allows not tens, not hundreds but thousands of men being tortured inhumanely for inhumane purposes.

that is not the case in uzbek law for not allowind international adoptations although it might claim so

Abu Hurayra
10-20-2007, 03:18 PM
Nowadays it has become very difficult to save our Belief(Iyman) healthy. (Because willingly not willingly we are doing bad deeds).
This makes us to care more about afterdeath life. In this case Adoption and education of a child (as a Salih) only for the sake of Allah and without any other intentions seems us to be one of potential treasury that will benefit us at the Judgement day.
So ladies and Gents, think about Adoption, and try to implement it in your personal life (I advice this first of all to myself than to you)

kindly...

inDecision
10-21-2007, 08:47 AM
I don't know whether Uzbek laws allow adoption of children by foreigners, but recently one lady told me that her friend adopted a child from Uzb, when I told her that I am from there