What's so insulting about this, gee big deal?!

[Akhee-Abdullah]

After reading,

Australia's papers are dismissive of Sheikh Hilali's apology for remarks in which he compared immodestly dressed women to "uncovered meat".

Several commentators say his expressions of regret do not go far enough, and call on Australia's Muslim community to take tougher action against the cleric.

One paper argues that Sheikh Hilali should be stripped of any office that allows him to speak on behalf of the country's Muslims, and another suggests he might consider moving somewhere where his views do not seem so out of place. http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/6090462.stm

And this

Danish court rejects cartoon suit,
A Danish court has rejected a libel case brought by several Muslim groups against a paper that published cartoons of the Prophet Muhammad. http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/6087506.stm

I wanna say gee what is the big deal?! If offending Muslims by insulting their prophet (peace be upon him) is considered a freedom of speech, then what de heck, let the shaikh Hilali call the whores, "uncovered meat"..., I can smell that hypocricy is at its high, sounds like "it is OK to insult the Muslims, but the other way around is NOT OK!"

Your comments are welcome...

Regards

[UzLand]

Actually, no comments. You are right.

[Abu Hurayra]

Actually, no comments. You are right.
It is the same in all case,
just take the different approach to Nuke programme IRAN(peace pruposes) VS North Korea (already on a way to test Nuke)
http://forum.arbuz.com/showthread.php?t=33217

[melo]

It is the same in all case,
just take the different approach to Nuke programme IRAN(peace pruposes) VS North Korea (already on a way to test Nuke)
http://forum.arbuz.com/showthread.php?t=33217

Just for the record, I think only China supported North korea having nuclear weapons. I don't think this is a good example. The majority of the world does not want Iran or North Korea to have nuclear capabilities. The difference is that North Korea already has them and you can not interfere easily with countries that posess nuclear weapons.

[Delf]

Akhee-Abdullah, please bear in mind that you are comparing an Australian paper to Danish court. While papers can say and do a lot of things that can be good or bad, courts determine cases.

I do not see that newspaper bringing a libel case against that cleric for insulting women. Cleric is free to say whatever he wishes and the paper is free to critisize him whatever the way they wish.

I can smell that hypocricy
Your sense of smell deceits you.
Because you could call it hypocricy if that newspaper filed a libel case against that cleric (for insulting women) and won that case (you know that will not happen). And we know that muslim groups have lost their case as well (filed for insulting prophet Muhammad).

Get you logic straight :)

Now hopefully you have a better sense of what freedom of speech means.



Delf.

[UzLand]

Akhee-Abdullah, please bear in mind that you are comparing an Australian paper to Danish court. While papers can say and do a lot of things that can be good or bad, courts determine cases.

As long as the Australian court is not influenced by its newspapers...

[PainKiller]

100% Agreed.
Akhee-Abdullah, please bear in mind that you are comparing an Australian paper to Danish court. While papers can say and do a lot of things that can be good or bad, courts determine cases.

I do not see that newspaper bringing a libel case against that cleric for insulting women. Cleric is free to say whatever he wishes and the paper is free to critisize him whatever the way they wish.


Your sense of smell deceits you.
Because you could call it hypocricy if that newspaper filed a libel case against that cleric (for insulting women) and won that case (you know that will not happen). And we know that muslim groups have lost their case as well (filed for insulting prophet Muhammad).

Get you logic straight :)

Now hopefully you have a better sense of what freedom of speech means.



Delf.

[Akhee-Abdullah]

Akhee-Abdullah, please bear in mind that you are comparing an Australian paper to Danish court. While papers can say and do a lot of things that can be good or bad, courts determine cases.

I do not see that newspaper bringing a libel case against that cleric for insulting women. Cleric is free to say whatever he wishes and the paper is free to critisize him whatever the way they wish.


Your sense of smell deceits you.
Because you could call it hypocricy if that newspaper filed a libel case against that cleric (for insulting women) and won that case (you know that will not happen). And we know that muslim groups have lost their case as well (filed for insulting prophet Muhammad).

Get you logic straight :)

Now hopefully you have a better sense of what freedom of speech means.



Delf.

Delf- Thanks very much for your comments. I hope to use them in constructive manner, insha'Allah.

Firstly, I would ask you to re-read my post, and actually to open the links, and read the contents of the Articles that are being printed in Australia.

Secondly, the issue is not here court or the newspapers...I see that you have missed my point...I was stressing, how the "civlized" western brain works...

When the cartoons came up over 1.2 billon Muslims were offended and their religion ridiculed, newspaper defended its case by stressing freedom of speech.

Now however, the very newspapers, media, the promoters of Free Speech DEMANDING that Shaikh HILALI be removed from his position, which is equal to calling the Danish News Outlet to be Shut!!!

Hope my logic will make sense this time...if my logic does not make sense, it does not mean I am illogical, it could be just you are not able to comprehend it...then just swallow it : ) !

[melo]

Delf- Thanks very much for your comments. I hope to use them in constructive manner, insha'Allah.

Firstly, I would ask you to re-read my post, and actually to open the links, and read the contents of the Articles that are being printed in Australia.

Secondly, the issue is not here court or the newspapers...I see that you have missed my point...I was stressing, how the "civlized" western brain works...

When the cartoons came up over 1.2 billon Muslims were offended and their religion ridiculed, newspaper defended its case by stressing freedom of speech.

Now however, the very newspapers, media, the promoters of Free Speech DEMANDING that Shaikh HILALI be removed from his position, which is equal to calling the Danish News Outlet to be Shut!!!

Hope my logic will make sense this time...if my logic does not make sense, it does not mean I am illogical, it could be just you are not able to comprehend it...then just swallow it : ) !

I mostly agree with your point, but there are some big differences here. I do not believe this caused any death threats on Sheikh Hilali and no violence began because of it. Also, this comment was made in Australia and was obviouly against the mainstream culture. Denmark's culture is not predominatley muslim (it has a tiny muslim population).

[UzLand]

I do not believe this caused any death threats on Sheikh Hilali and no violence began because of it.

I can imagine Australian women marching through the streets demanding Hilali's death and women in other parts of Europe causing violence.:)

[corsair]

bla bla Hilali-Shmilali call the "whores", "uncovered meat"... whom he is calling whores?
and if they are uncovered whores why does he still live there around them whores, i think he can go back home... what, u think u cant buy covered whores, go to iran and some countries in mid east, u will find them there!

as i understand all uncovered women around you and all uncovered women in your life time are WHORES?


:lol:
Shmilali needs mental help

[Akhee-Abdullah]

I mostly agree with your point, but there are some big differences here. I do not believe this caused any death threats on Sheikh Hilali and no violence began because of it. Also, this comment was made in Australia and was obviouly against the mainstream culture. Denmark's culture is not predominatley muslim (it has a tiny muslim population).

They have been bombing Muslim lands, killing innocent people...just a couple days ago NATO forces killed around 40 people...in Afghanistan, more being slaughtered by butchers elsewhere in the Middle East...I guess this is why they do not have to march in the Red Square, they just Bomb, if they do not like u!!!

I am not here to play Black & White Paint game...It is not all black and white, Muslims' reaction to the Cartoons and Pope's remarks were out of proportion, however, most events were meant to provoke those who are already in a state of despair, those who are already oppressed, humiliated enough, they cannot do any thing else aside from marching, protesting, burning symbols of the countries they deem evil, those acts are absolutely reprehensible, against Islam's core teachings!!!

I do condemn them, I do not support the violent reaction, being stupid, sounding stupid and falling in the trap. However, I very well understand why they are doing what their doing. I CAN rationalize their reactions!!!

Now, where were all these people when Prophet's picture was drawn, and millions of Muslims were insulted? They were standing behind the flag of freedom of speech, now the very people are not tolerating the freedom of speech. The Western world calls for democracy, however, does not recognize Democractically elected Hamas!!! Is not this Hypocricy???

Putin said, "we do not deem Hamas a terrorist organization" which means yet we have to define the definition of Terrorism...

In my opinion, Terrorism is killing, targeting of civilians so that they force their governments to change their policies...this is what exactly Israel has been doing for the past half a century...however, most are mumbling in defence of Israel, in fact instead of stopping the War, Jewnited Snakes of Amerika fuelled the Lebanese genocide by giving delivering more supplies of bombs to Israelis...knowing that 50K Lebanese American citizens were inside Lebanon during the conflict...how absurd it is...

To make the polemic short, all I am saying is "What is big deal, if some one calls a drunk whore who gets raped late at night in the parking lot by its name, and explains why these whores get raped, and he explained that is because thoses whore display their private parts"

After all Shaikh Hilali apologized for his remarks, and explained that his statements were taken out of context...However, Australie aint accepting his apologies, they ousted him from his position, now Shaikh Hilali can no longer teach ie, practice freedom of speech!!!

Why do u think media is amplifying the statements of Shaikh Hilali??? I think it is a continuation of long series of shameless onslaught on the Islaamic Civilization and moral norms...

The very "Painkiller" who was not offended by the cartoons, not even a bit, is agreeing with Delf's comments 100%!!!

I wanna ask her, (but I wont) "If you support freedom of speech, do not you support in all cases? Or is freedom of speech good for Nonmuslims only??!!!"

As the old saying goes, this whole mess has turned into a big propaganda machine of changing, brainwashing (madaniy oqartiruv) of "bad" Muslims to "good Muslims, who are modern type, like Irshad Manjit, Painkiller, and etc (who accept Lesbian life style as OK) and western immoralities...as holy commandments to uphold"

I am just giggling at the self contradiction, and double standard of these Western trashed brains...

This convinces me even more, that the path of Siratal Mustaqiym is Path to Follow, people of which call for the worship of only One Real God from the worship of whores, $, icons and idols, be human or non human.

And those who call to perform good deeds and forbid evil. People who fight against these parasites with their tongue, pen, wealth, intellect, sword, and etc..They are parasites, because they live off Allah's blessings and bounties but are ungrateful to Him, they disobey Allah in His Worship, Commandments, and Prohibitions...

In my eyes, they remain worthless parasites, until they stop oppressing themselves and others with their disobedience of the commands of Allah subhanahu wa ta'ala. This is the reason, they keep changing their stories, and flip flop from one position to the other...Let's wait patiently and watch the end of these hate mongers...!!!

They, Most of the Western Hemisphere, claim to follow the Christ, however, they go against him (peace be upon him). Jesus Christ said "Love Thine Enemy!" Loving one's friend is easy, but loving one's enemy is a real task!!! I do not smell from the cartoons, nor from Pope's remarks any sense of Love towards Muslims assuming they consider us as enemies...They follow nothing but conjecture, their nafs (evils whispers of their desires), shayatin (devils), from the Jin and Mankind!!!

That's all...

Finita la comedia...I am done with this topic, every one have a nice weekend!!!

[Akhee-Abdullah]

bla bla Hilali-Shmilali call the "whores", "uncovered meat"... whom he is calling whores?
and if they are uncovered whores why does he still live there around them whores, i think he can go back home... what, u think u cant buy covered whores, go to iran and some countries in mid east, u will find them there!

as i understand all uncovered women around you and all uncovered women in your life time are WHORES?


:lol:
Shmilali needs mental help

So do u! Analysis: Paranoid!!!

[Black]

What a big deal Bro.? Don't you know their double standards? As I repeat it always Hypocrisy is on its high. We have double standarded users in this forum as well, who use double standards in their judgements.
Just read my signature Bro. Do not expect justice from them.

[corsair]

So do u! Analysis: Paranoid!!!

you need medical help.
diagnosis : needs attention, longly, mentally ill, sex. addicted - thinks all women around him are whores!

:lol:

[PainKiller]

you need medical help.
diagnosis : needs attention, longly, mentally ill, sex. addicted - thinks all women around him are whores!

:lol:

I wish everybody around me appeared to me a strip dancers. What an interesting life.:)

[The Reaper]

So do u! Analysis: Paranoid!!!

Well, YOU were the one that used the word "whore," and got called out on that.
So, according to your logic, a woman who doesn't wear a hijab is a whore, right? :?

My take on this situation, if the Mufti doesn't like the way women dress in Australia, he's always free to pack his things and fly away. I'm sure he'll find plenty of support in Saudi Arabia. Otherwise, he should just STFU.
Where's his integrity? He said something he believed in, and people didn't like it. Instead of shoving his tail between his legs and apologizing, he could have demonstrated integrity and bravery by just moving out of Australia. Apparently, he chose to stay in the land of "uncovered meat." :rolleyes:

Integrity - 0
Hilali "The Meatlover" - 1

TR

[The Reaper]

Quite a biography he's got.
From Wikipedia.

He arrived in Australia in 1982 on a tourist visa from Lebanon, but stayed permanently after overstaying his visa and attempts to deport him failed

I think it's all that meat around him, that's why he stayed. :D

Australian Jewish organisations have regularly accused Hilaly of anti-Semitism, a charge he denies. The charges began in 1988 when Hilaly delivered a lecture to a group of Muslim students at Sydney University on the topic "The Disposition of Jews in the light of the Qur'an."

In 1999 Hilaly was charged and briefly jailed after being convicted of being involved in smuggling goods

In early 2003, he generated controversy when his vehicle was stopped due to there being an object protruding from it. Upon closer inspection, New South Wales Police charged him with driving an unregistered and uninsured vehicle as well as for his behaviour towards the police officers, leading to an attack against police officers by nearby Muslims and widespread condemnation from the public

"September 11 is God's work against oppressors. Some of the things that happen in the world cannot be explained; a civilian airplane whose secrets cannot be explained if we ask its pilot who reached his objective without error, who led your steps? Or if we ask the giant that fell, who humiliated you? Or if we ask the President, who made you cry? God is the answer."

Indeed, a true servant of God. :rolleyes:

TR

[ozbecool]

hamma soqoli borlar, qori aka bolvurmaydi...

[kipchak]

Рипер рассмешил мля, с этой биографией муфтия которую пальцем сидели делали Сиднеевские спецслужбы, интерпол, моссад и ЦРУ.

Если ВНИМАТЕЛЬНО прочесть то что ты привел в качестве "минусов" портящих авторитет муфтия - уверен что каждый пятый на планете будет иметь те же самые "минусы".

Ты еще покопайся в интернете, может найдешь там очередные интересные факты мол де своим видом он пугал маленьких детишек, а еще вызвал инфарк миокарда у старушек глухих когда читал Азан. А еще у него сзади мечети - есть гарем из "мясовидных" над которыми он издевается и так далее.

Уахахахаха, отвечаю рассмешил.

[Aziz]

"Invite (all) to the Way of thy Lord with wisdom and beautiful preaching; and argue with them in ways that are best and most gracious: for thy Lord knoweth best, who have strayed from His Path, and who receive guidance." (16:125)

I think before he started his speach he should have read this verse.

[Maroon]

Если ВНИМАТЕЛЬНО прочесть то что ты привел в качестве "минусов" портящих авторитет муфтия - уверен что каждый пятый на планете будет иметь те же самые "минусы".



Oktril nam Ameriku. :lol: At least those do not give away fatwas and claim to be true believers.

[Akhee-Abdullah]

Well, YOU were the one that used the word "whore," and got called out on that.
So, according to your logic, a woman who doesn't wear a hijab is a whore, right? :?

My take on this situation, if the Mufti doesn't like the way women dress in Australia, he's always free to pack his things and fly away. I'm sure he'll find plenty of support in Saudi Arabia. Otherwise, he should just STFU.
Where's his integrity? He said something he believed in, and people didn't like it. Instead of shoving his tail between his legs and apologizing, he could have demonstrated integrity and bravery by just moving out of Australia. Apparently, he chose to stay in the land of "uncovered meat." :rolleyes:

Integrity - 0
Hilali "The Meatlover" - 1

TR

Dude- I do not support the way the Mufti Hilali spoke. That's not the point!!! All I am saying is that people who rally for the FREEDOM OF SPEECH, are trying to silence him down, in fact they were able to remove him from his post!!!

When the Danish newspaper printed its RACIST, ISLAMOPHOBIC materials, the Danish government defended the action under the pretext of Freedom of Speech, despite the fact that FREEDOM the newspaper exercized was a one of HATRED driven towards the sacred values of the Muslims, namely equating prophet of Allah (peace be upon him) with being a TERRORIST!!!

All, I said was, since in the West, they preach freedom of speech rights this and that, why are not they leaving Mufti Hilali alone, since he has that right!!! Am i right??!!

He voiced his opinion on certain topics....he explained his position by saying that women get raped because they dress very suggestively, i.e open or almost naked. He suggested if women were dressed modestly, i.e Islamically, there would be less sexual assaults, even if it does happen it would be less in number...his logic followed this example...

Imagine, the law says you should not steal, however, in the dark of the night or somewhere in the parking lot, a person sees a 5 year old boy carrying a bag of $$$$ worth millions of dollars, there would be a temptation to buy this little boy a candy and bargain the bag of $$$$ or just simply snatch it and run away!!! Not everyone will do it, however the temptation is there, correct me if I am wrong!!!....If you had read the "The Lord of the Rings", the plot is actually about that, how power, wealth and greed could corrupt and pollute people's mind and integrity!!!

Similar analogy, a horny man in his mid or late 20's, Friday night after a long week of work, in the parking lot of a local Pub, sees something hanging there and she is absolutely adorable, gorgeoous, plus drunk, weak and just hanging there... any sane and horny man, would just grab that opportunity, and go for that momentary pleasure...

I remember back in the dark ages, on campus...living in fraternity, how drunk girls would get raped by guys...virtually every weekend...most of it would go unreported...drunk and exposed girl, would pass the hand of group of drunk, beastial horny students!!!

If you do not trust me ask anyone who attended college in the States and had lived through the fraternity life style....

Again no offence at your values...i was just taken aback by the sheer hypocricy of these people...though I appreciate your sense of humor & criticism...it aint warranted!!! How probable is that heinous crime would happen to a white practicing Muslima who is covered modestly?! Not very likely, I assume, plus I there is a very little chance that she would mess around the pariking lot of a pub that late...though anything could happen these days

Cheers,

Akhee-Abdullah

[SAMARKANDI!]

This is a little off topic, but still interesting. I do not think it is the way girls dress that causes men to want to have sex. It may point our specific girls more than others. Beauty would have the same effect. If all girls dress modestly the same thing would happen, because the demand is still there. I think more important is a lack of morals and alcohol consumption. Most guys will have sex with anything they can. I have seen that in many cultures now. Obviously all the factors above (dress, time, location, alcohol consumption) all are important. I think any sensible girl could avoid these situations.


Dressing IS VERY VERY VERY AND VERY impotant factor along with other things u listed.

Imagine a guy (may be drunk, may be under drugs, may be just sexually unsatisified, may be retard, may be whatever, or lets even say morally decent man) sees two girls walking on the street, one dressed in Islamic Hijab modestly covering everything, the other is open, dressed, how they call, floridian girl going out type, both r teens. Who do u think this guy would attack moooost probabely, or about which girl do u think that guy would start relating his immoral thoughts first???? (as things start from thinking first then comes action)

As a sane person i would say it would be that open lady. but odds r there. this is just strange that u think this way

p.s. WHY ARE THERE STRIP CLUBS???? WHY CANT STRIP DANCERS JUST DANCE WITHOUT TAKING OFF THEIR CLOTHING?

[SAMARKANDI!]

Well actually I think these guys might be willing to annoy either girl if they had the chance. The key factor is that they are girls.
Also, seeing naked girls at strip clubs is not starting the guys desires. They had the desires and went to the strip club because of it. Also, that is not really what we are talking about. These girls have protection and more control then normal girls. I have seen plenty of girls dressed very modestly be harassed by guys. I think girls can dress how they want in the right situations. If they are with other girls or with people they can trust. I still think girls should dress classy though. A girl who dresses like a prositute and hangs around with drunk men late at night in a secluded area are probably looking to have sex.

If u think this way then u would be listed insane in my book:).

What in the hell is making their d**ks stand up but undressing of these strippers??? I am talking about the particular situation not about who goes there or not.

R u going to put signs HERE IS THE RIGHT PLACE, and HERE IS THE DAGERIOUS PLACE, pls dress accordingly???? men r everywhere. (Islam prescribed those safe areas already, which is at home by her husband) Have u checked the rape rate? 100s of women raped in US per HOUR. right now while i am writing they r being raped right here even in my town, i am pretty sure.

BECIDES, why women r raped why not men? (small exceptions there) cuz of their BODIES, and if that body look/is more open, i dont have to continue now...

[SAMARKANDI!]

I don't need to put signs, it is obvious. :rolleyes: Women are raped because they are weaker and guys are can't control their desires. Rape has always existed and will always existed because men have very low self control. Where is this magic land where people are respectful to each other and control themselves?

Dude, u r being ignorant to the facts. U r right one of the factors is weakness, girls r weak, but another factor u intentionally or by ignorance, didnt list is THEIR nature, girls nature, if exposed it becomes as u call here "HOT" and "SEXY". And combination of these factors make them vulnarable to be attacked by men, who accordingly is looking for that "HOT" and "SEXY" pis.

And u answered ur question knowing it or not, by saying guys cant control their desires, What triggers the desire to become uncontrolable? sexy, hot girl, all exposed with all the adorenments?

And again MAGIC LAND u r talking about doesnt exist, so thats why God sent us certain rules to make this land more secure and respectful. and one of the rules was to cover the women and lower the gaze of men.

[The Reaper]

Dude- I do not support the way the Mufti Hilali spoke. That's not the point!!! All I am saying is that people who rally for the FREEDOM OF SPEECH, are trying to silence him down, in fact they were able to remove him from his post!!!

When the Danish newspaper printed its RACIST, ISLAMOPHOBIC materials, the Danish government defended the action under the pretext of Freedom of Speech, despite the fact that FREEDOM the newspaper exercized was a one of HATRED driven towards the sacred values of the Muslims, namely equating prophet of Allah (peace be upon him) with being a TERRORIST!!!

All, I said was, since in the West, they preach freedom of speech rights this and that, why are not they leaving Mufti Hilali alone, since he has that right!!! Am i right??!!

I don't have a problem with your position, I only took an issue with you using the word "whore" when referring to women who do not wear a hijab.

He voiced his opinion on certain topics....he explained his position by saying that women get raped because they dress very suggestively, i.e open or almost naked. He suggested if women were dressed modestly, i.e Islamically, there would be less sexual assaults, even if it does happen it would be less in number...his logic followed this example...

IMO, in majority of cases, rapes don't happen because a woman is dressed suggestively, but because of certain men with psychological and sexual issues. In some cases, I agree, the way women dress can be a factor, but not the decisive one.

Imagine, the law says you should not steal, however, in the dark of the night or somewhere in the parking lot, a person sees a 5 year old boy carrying a bag of $$$$ worth millions of dollars, there would be a temptation to buy this little boy a candy and bargain the bag of $$$$ or just simply snatch it and run away!!! Not everyone will do it, however the temptation is there, correct me if I am wrong!!!....If you had read the "The Lord of the Rings", the plot is actually about that, how power, wealth and greed could corrupt and pollute people's mind and integrity!!!

I wouldn't equal stealing to sexual assault. The first is far less of a crime rather than the second, which involves inflicting major physical and psychological trauma to the victim.

Similar analogy, a horny man in his mid or late 20's, Friday night after a long week of work, in the parking lot of a local Pub, sees something hanging there and she is absolutely adorable, gorgeoous, plus drunk, weak and just hanging there... any sane and horny man, would just grab that opportunity, and go for that momentary pleasure...

Again, it's about the psychological and moral backround of a man. Me personally, and a hell of a lot of guys I know, never went for it, even though there were many opportunities like that. Yeah, guys can say some kinky stuff and all, but going ahead and raping a woman requires far more brain damage than the usual male pig would have. :)

I remember back in the dark ages, on campus...living in fraternity, how drunk girls would get raped by guys...virtually every weekend...most of it would go unreported...drunk and exposed girl, would pass the hand of group of drunk, beastial horny students!!!
If you do not trust me ask anyone who attended college in the States and had lived through the fraternity life style....

I'm well aware of those cases. But in this instance I think it's about the notion that a girl being stoned/drunk won't remember anything tomorrow, and some low lifes who can't get laid otherwise, will aim for a jackpot; but it doesn't have anything to do with the way they dress. I blame those girls, because they all know all too well, or at least heard of what might happen to drunk girls in places like fraternities.
Honestly, if it was up to me, I'd abolish the whole fraternity thing altogether. It's nothing but a gathering of spoiled idiots, who are shallow enough to think being a member of a fraternity makes them better.

Again no offence at your values...i was just taken aback by the sheer hypocricy of these people...though I appreciate your sense of humor & criticism...it aint warranted!!! How probable is that heinous crime would happen to a white practicing Muslima who is covered modestly?! Not very likely, I assume, plus I there is a very little chance that she would mess around the pariking lot of a pub that late...though anything could happen these days

Cheers,

Akhee-Abdullah

No offence taken at all. Like I said, I only objected to you using the word "whore."

Take care.

TR

[SAMARKANDI!]

so you are saying if a man never sees a any skin he will never think of sex? :rolleyes: Good luck with that theory.:lol: :lol: :lol:


what an uneducated guess, seriosuly i thought u r better than this.

I was saying if men didnt see the skin, there would be fewer attacks, fewer rapes, less disrespect.

Did u see me saying that??? Men and women would think of sex, always it is part of their nature, but they wouldnt dare or become uncontrolable if that skin u r talking about be covered properly. end of discussion. no point i think anymore.

[SAMARKANDI!]

I appologize but again i am saying By Allah i didnt mean to insult his father. i thought he would pull himself together after that.

[Black]

"Rape victim" Defends Aussie Mufti
SYDNEY — The backing of a woman who described herself as a rape victim Saturday, November 4, took some of the heat off Australia's embattled top Muslim scholar, under pressure for saying scantily-clad women invited sexual attack.

Cindy Taylor said Sheik Taj Aldin al-Hilali had not intended to justify rape by comparing immodestly-dressed women to "uncovered meat", comments that sparked calls from politicians and some Muslim leaders for his resignation, reported Agence France-Presse (AFP).

"He's a wonderful man and his analogy certainly did not justify the act of rape," said Taylor, who said she had twice been raped, although no-one had ever been charged.

"He was not being politically correct. But he's not a politician, he's a philosophical leader," she said outside Sydney's Lakemab Mosque, where police and journalists outnumbered a small gathering of around 100 Muslim worshippers.
Taylor, who said she was raised a Christian and had developed an interest in Islam, said she understood what the imam was trying to say, and urged Australians to be more open-minded.
"He believes that the act of rape is one of the worst capital crimes in Islam," she said.

Hilali, the Mufti of Australia, angered community and political leaders and divided the country's 280,000 Muslims over the comments, made in a Ramadan sermon a month ago but only reported late on October.

The imam's supporters heeded his calls to abandon an unofficial rally planned for a nearby park on Saturday, which he feared could turn violent.

"Ethical Court"

Sheik Alhilali Friday vowed to retire from preaching and tape over his mouth in public for six months if an "ethical court" found him guilty of inciting rape or denigrating women.

Hilali decided last week during a meeting with Muslim leaders in Sydney to take an indefinite leave from his duties.

In a statement issued at Friday prayers, Hilali called for an impartial panel of a judge and two lawyers to decide if he had incited violence against women, Reuters reported.

The Egyptian-born cleric said if he was found guilty of giving justification for the crime of rape, he would retire from his religious work and positions.

He also said he would "place masking tape on my mouth in public for a period of six months" and undertake 600 hours of community service in any women's organization which provided social services.

"Any person, whatever his position may be, who justifies the crime of rape or encourages it under any circumstances, or whoever degrades Australian women for their dress, is nothing but an ignorant, foolish and crazy person who does not deserve to hold any position of responsibility, be it public or private, in our Australian society," Hilali said in the statement.
Hilali said if he was found innocent, he would continue to serve in his role and "enhance the path of co-existence and harmony between the Muslim community and Australian society".

Muslim leaders welcomed Hilali's statement, saying they would organize a public hearing into his sermon.

Thousands of Muslims applauded Hilali after Friday prayers.

Tom Zreika, president of the Lebanese Muslim Association -- which administers Lakemba Mosque -- said the firestorm that had erupted over the mufti's comments was now "dead in the water".

Thirty-four Muslim organizations and a former prime minister criticized on Thursday, November 2, exaggerated reactions to Hilali's remarks, accusing the government of whipping up anti-Muslim sentiments.

The woman said about being open minded. We saw how open minded some users of the forum.

[Akhee-Abdullah]

No offence taken at all. Like I said, I only objected to you using the word "whore."

Take care.

TR

It seems like my words were taken out of context, I re-edited my post to make point clearer. My own mother and sister do not wear Hijaab, and I did not say every women who does not wear Hijab is a whore. I could never say and mean such a thing.

I was referring to those whores who file a rape complaint every other week to the Police station about being shagged without her consent!!! If they get raped late at night behind the Pub in the parking lot, because they are dressed undecently and drunk, they should know that their action makes them a target for a sexual assault.

The very people, who sleep with 10 different people, and who file a rape complaint against 5 other people, in a year out of consent, are WHORES!

End of Quote!!!