Nimaga JUMA dam olish kuni emas?

[nobody]

Assalomu Alaykum.
This year we will celebrate 10th anniversary of our Independens. Of course, it is not too much time for History, this 10 year, but it is for people.
During this period , our people and Government could get rid of some traditions which were brought first by Russian Zar Empire, then by Bolsheviks. But still there is some.
Everybody know very well that, up until formation of USSR , our ansectors had a rest, like we do in Sunday. And Bolsheviks had changed it to Sunday. So Saturday(for some people and professions) and Sunday are the rest days(Dam olish kunlari).
I'll be short. Its time to change old calendar.
Sunday to Friday, and Saturday to Thursday!
But i have no idea, in whose power it is, whether on the power of President or our Parliament?
And how we can propose it?
I look forward for your opinions.

nobody.

[Amazed]

Does it really make so much difference?!

Please let's leave that alone....

[nobody]

Amazed> For you may be not. But there are other people in Uzbekistan.If it doesnt bother you play your Football.

[qwerty]

Football?!? Give me a break, will you.

OK. You're right lets get rid of everything russians brought us and live with the same calendar we had before Russian occupation. Then we don't need New Year celebration 1st January. I fail to understand your logic, I mean I do understand it but it does not seem reasonable ???:

1) "our people and Government could get rid of some traditions which were brought first by Russian Zar Empire, then by Bolsheviks"

2) Saturday-Sunday was made as weekends by Russians

3) If we want to get rid of "traditions which were brought first by Russian Zar Empire" we have to make Thursday-Friday days off as our ancestors did.

Sorry if I'm being ironic here but do you have any other reasonable arguments - what are the advantages; disadvantages are obvious communication with developed countries, reorganisational costs etc.

[nobody]

Hi Alex.
I'll give you reasonable arguments. But, the very big BUT is that what do you understand by reasonable arguments differs from mine.(If it was like mine or at least if you did understand my reasons , you would had never posted your "New Year" message).
Sorry, but just now i am short of time. I do it later.

[Anon]

whassup people?
what Juma has to do with Football and if guys are serious why do not you take some actionnin this regard

JUST DO IT

we are Muslim country so why why are we complicating lives by having saturday sunday weekend????

even in israel they have a Friday off
and they even not Muslims

so dearest gentlemen stop bs'ing and get some action going on

with best regards

:) your sis

[Anti-Opposition]

OK,

It is weird when you see people want to go back to Halifat's times, when the world is going ahead.

Hey yo bro, do you want our government to be different from the rest of the world with its some specific features.

There is NO point going back to old times. Instead we have to think about new prospectives and future of UZB.

Stay Cool!!!

[Freestyler's]

We're not a Muslim country, read the Constitution, <Anon>.

I think the cost of the changes will not be justified by its gains.

[Anon]

we are not Muslim country with exceeding population of Muslims in the country !

and nobody is going backwards

country should be for its nation and majority suffers from not even be able to rest on Friday or schedule some other activities other tha in sitting in the office

[some1two]

***Freestyler,

sometimes you are really funny!
What constitution are you talking about?
Is that one which was prepared by group of people who few days before they did it were communists?
Is it constitution of "independent Uzbekistan".
As far as I remeber Uzbekistan was left alone after meeting Russia, Ukraine, and Belorussia in "Belovezskaya pushia" . It hadn't any single chance to be a real constitution of INDEPENDENT COUNTRY.

And what if I will read about freedom of speech?
Will it help me?


***Anti-opposition,

what difference does it make for progress if we will take day-offs Fridays instead of Sundays? It will just help people (muslims) to perform their practice. That's it. And if the most of people are muslims nothing is bad about it.
Nobody tells to Christians about middle ages if they attend Church Sundays.

Another thing is there alot of human rights issues which stay ahead of this change. So, I don't think that government will even bother about it.

No offence
Take it easy,

Some1two

[Freestyler's]

Guys, I'm very flattered that I can make you laugh. Kak govoritsya "speshite posmeyatsya nad vsem, inache vam pridyotsya zaplakat' (Bomarche).

<Someone1two>

Mne uje prihoditsya povtoryat', no vsyo je:

Konstituciya bila podderjana vsenarodnim referendumom, kotouyu v svoyu ochered' podderjali drugiye mejdunarodniye organizacii.
A to, chto ti ne soglasen s yeyo rezul'tatami - tvoyo pravo svobodi mislit' po-svoyemu (chto v principe ogovarivayetsya v Konstitucii, no ne vsegda u nas soblyudayetsya :().

[some1two]

Freestyler,

ti opyat' udivlyaesh' menya.
Vidimo ti ne znaesh' chto nezadolgo do togo kak Uzbekistan "POLUCHIL" svoyu nezavisimost', bil proveden referendum po povodu bit' ili ne bit' SSSR.I kak ti virajaeshsya, on toje bil "vsenarodno podderjan". Spustya korotkiy srok
'konstituciya nezavisimogo uzbekistana' bila toje "vsenarodno podderjana".

Sut' ne v tom nravitsya ona mne ili net, a v tom chto eta tvoya "vsenarodnaya podderjka" ne otrajaet real'nogo otnosheniya ludey.

Esli nashim ludyam predloji li bi v to vremya , da i seychas naverno, progolosovat' za "Mein Kampf"
rezultat bil bi tem je 'vsenarodnim'.

Nu a po povodu togo chto tebe prihoditsya povtoryatsya ya tebe skaju: poskol'ku u tebya ne poluchaetsya videt' fakti i delat' analiz, skol'ko ni povtoryay nichego ne izmenish. Ne zanimaysya samoilluziyami i "Zri v koren' ". No eto uje ne ya tebe govoru, a Koz'ma Prut'kov.

Some1two

[Freestyler's]

Yesli ti ne verish vo vsenarodnuyu podderjku, v yeyo real'nost', to kakim je putyom ti sobirayeshsya prevratit' pyatnicu v vihodnoy den'?

[some1two]

A kto je tebe skazal chto ya sobirayus' eto sdelat'? Ya tol'ko otmetil chto eto udobno dlya musulman, kotorie sostavlyayut bol'shinstvo veruyushih. I nikay pomehi progressu etot perehod predstavlyat' ne budet.That's it.

I kak ya otmechal vishe: est' bolee vajnie problemi v oblasti prav cheloveka. I poka ne viju predposilok dlya resheniya problemi s Jumoy.

Some1two

[voland]

I am for thursday-friday-saturday-sunday weekends, and I guess I can work on mon-tue-wed, but I wouldnt mind making them also a weekend

[Student]

I think it's really good idea to inforce this proposal internationally, that would solve the problem of unemployment and prmote fair distribution of welth among people ;)

[nobody]

Assalomu Alaykum.
So i am here Alex to give your my arguments.
First of all we live in Muslim country( not Islamic state) . Muslim country means , where the number of Muslims are more than others one.( It was mentioned in another topic).
One may say that this is not the real number of Muslims and others. Even in this case, the number of practising Muslims are more than the number of people who practice other faithes.
Our ansectors did weekend in Thursday and Friday and this nowadays weekend was brought by force to us.So why we should not do what had done our ansectors and do what other counquers bid us?
You are too ironic but, the same time you are too funny(no offence intended).About what costs
are you speaking for? May be we should pay EXTRA money to what they recieve to our Government or to Parliament, they to make new Decree? But , it is their job and nobody is going to pay them EXTRA money if they do so.
OR should we pay some fees to International organizations , because our change in OUR weekends? You speak about disadvantages of communication with Developed countries. I didnt get the point here. What Disadvantages? Or our communication system( which is only machines) will get angry on us because of our change and they disconnect us with the countries where the weekend is on Saturday and Sunday? OR is there any agreement with any country not to change our weekends? OR is there any threaten to our safety?
OR do you think that we should REPRINT all our old calendars beginning from 1917 to nowadays??
So give me REASONABLE ARGUMENTS.
OR you think that the developed countries have no communication with Arabic countries? OR they have some Disadvantages in it?
Dear Alex, MAY BE you are Russian and got fear that we should change our weekends. But remember, we are not in Russia or somewhere else in Cristian world, we are in UZBEKISTAN.
I am not going to speak to you about Religious side of my Arguments. Because , even i say you , you NEVER get it.
Take it easy.

[nobody]

<Freestyler>. We ARE in Muslim country, but not in ISLAMIC. I told what is Muslim country and i think you know the DIFFERENCE. And the word "MUSLIM country " never be written in Constitution, but the word "Islamic state". I think you got my point.
< Other Hot Heads>
You say if we change to Thursday-Friday we stop Developing or go back, or something like this.
Hehe, you yourself know that you are speaking DS. OR you think that we are in a higher level of Development than the countries where weekends are Thursday-Friday?? Weekend has NOTHING to do with DEVELOPMENT and ECONOMY and COMMUNICATION and SPORT and all other stuff.
The only thing with which it is related is People's FAITH. This topic is not about Economic reforms in Uzbekistan OR opposition of our Government.
Before posting something READ CAREFULLY the topic and TRY TO UNDERSTAND what is written.

Take it easy.

Best regards
nobody.

[qwerty]

Dear <nobody> I appreciate your reply but would like to challenge some arguments and assumptions you’ve provided:;)

First of all we live in Muslim country( not Islamic state) ....Even in this case, the number of practising Muslims are more than the number of people who practice other faithes.

I never said that Uzbekistan is not a Muslim country, did I ?;-)

About what costs are you speaking for? May be we should pay EXTRA money to what they recieve to our Government or to Parliament, they to make new Decree? …
OR you think that the developed countries have no communication with Arabic countries? OR they have some Disadvantages in it?

Let me give you an example of the benefit/cost disadvantage with adoption of new weekends.

A fundamental shift is taking place in the world economy. Countries are moving further away from a world in which national economies were relatively isolated from each other by barriers to cross border trade and investment, time zones, languages, distance, and national differences in government regulation, culture and business environment towards the world in which national economies are merging into an interdependent economic system.

We can not call our “businessmen” (chelnoki) a step forward towards the world in which national economies are merging into an interdependent economic system, because it has a debilitating effect on overall national economy, as well as reduces the attractiveness to foreign capital investors.

If you’re an owner of the manufacturing company located in Uzbekistan most probably you're associated with foreign partners which are countries of CIS or other neighbor countries as well as developed countries (USA, Europe, South East Asia), very rarely with Arab countries; they are either your suppliers or your customers. What happens after the new law declaring Thursday-Friday weekend is adopted? Since our factory works on Saturdays and Sundays and our suppliers’ don’t we cannot place an order on Saturday or Sunday (they will be received on Monday only) and there will be delivery delay. To offset the possible delay we would have to order in advance e.g. Wednesday thus increasing inventory necessary for operating the factory for two days and increasing the current assets which negative affects cash flow.

For exporting company change to new calendar has disadvantages too. For instance you have a customer in Kazakhstan; delivery lead time is short - half a day. Kazakh customer does not want to have excessive inventory because it reduces his profit margin and production or service flexibility. This is why he wants just in time delivery (JIT). He needs X quantity of Y type of goods to be delivered every working morning Monday through Friday with X and Y ordering numbers specified 24 hours before the delivery. To be able to accommodate him you will have to have at least warehousing and exporting staff working on Thursdays and Fridays and maximum (previously ordered) Xx2 quantity of each type of goods in the warehouse. This creates additional expenses to the exporter

There are thousands of other REASONABLE ARGUMENTS I could give you but don’t have time and resources to do so. As for my nationality I am not Russian and don’t have “fear that we should change our weekends”. And I know that “we are not in Russia or somewhere else in Cristian world, we are in UZBEKISTAN”.???
http://forum.umid.uz/UltraBoard.cgi?action=Read&BID=3&TID=2032&SID=16942

P.S. Just found an interesting thought made by Dilip Hiro. He thinks that Central Asia is now where Turkey was in the 1930s: possessing a secular government and secular laws (inherited from the Soviet Union) but with Islamic values slowly infiltrating the society again. If this is true, the region may return to Islam over decades, not suddenly through an Iranian-style convulsion

[some1two]

Alex,

ya dumayu eta problema s zaderjkami nemnogo nadumanna. Good management can solve this!

But if I am wrong , maybe we need to switch our time and work nights in order to satisfy customers located in Europe and Amerika?

some1two

[nobody.]

Wahaha. Alex , you are still funny(no offence intended).
I NEVER said that you didnt say that Uzbekistan is a Muslim country.It was JUST my Argument , nothing more.Got it?
All your Reasonable Arguments are reasonable for anybody else , but not for me. Because all stuff what you told me makes me fun.You say that if we change our Weekends we cant meet
Delivery terms??????? Where did you get this notion. Even most developed countries cant delivery materials in a few days( i am not speaking 1-2 days, but 4-5 days at least).
I studied here a lot of stuff about companies with Foreign relationship and their transaction with their subsidies and assosiations and etc and etc.
All you Arguments makes no sense.And your JIT delivery exists for only a few number of companies (which no one in Uzb).
And about exports and Imports.I dont think that delivery dependent on weekends. If it was so, Why Developed countries still do trade with Arabic countries and very succesifully.
And there is no thousands of arguments( even not Reasonable) and u cant give it.Say all your tale to others.
Sorry , but i didnt understand , why you showed me that link at the end?(about azan).

Best regards
nobody.

P.S. About Dilip Niro's statement. I can also make such kinda philosophical Thoughts.

[somebody]

nobody, is samodovol'niy LOH. :)

[nobody.]

Somebody. :-D :-D :-D :-D :-D :-D
kattalani ishiga aralashma, bor hola-holangni oyna.
:oo :oo
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[thinker]

Judayam qiziq va o'rinli savol.
Sovet davri bizning mentalitetimizga qattiq ta'sir ko'rsatgan, misol uchun agar hozir Yakshnba kunini ish kuni qilib Juma kunini dam olish kuni qilsak balkim ancha odamlarga malol kelar... har holda Psihologik baryer bo'ladi. Bu haqda ko'proq odamlar orasida opros o'tkazish kerak. Har bir tabaqadan, misol uchun ziyolilar, ishchilar, o'qituvchilar, studentlar, hullas katta opros o'tkazish kerak va odamlarning fikrini bilish kerak. Hozir bu erda ur sur qilib bir birimizni engganimiz bilan bu masalani hal qila olmaymiz, hech kim biz O'zbekistonliklarning ko'pchiligi shunday deb o'ylaydi deb ta'kid qila olmaydi...

Shunday qilib halqning, ommaning fikrini bilish kerak.