"Milliylik va Yangicha Yondoshish" VS "Eski h

[sanatullo]

Assolomu aleykum,

Bugun "Financial Times" (http://globalarchive.ft.com/globalarchive/articles.html?id=010210000636&query=A+search+for+pilaf+in+the+streets+of+Samarka nd%3A+Andrew+Jack+leaves+no+grain+of+rice+unturned +on+his+) sahifalarining birida O`zbekiston hakida yozilgan maqolaga ko`zim tushdi. Makolani sizlar ham ukib chikarsizlar deb uylayman. Keyinchalik muhoka kilish umidida

Sanatullo

[VeryProud!]

Heh, you won't believe me guys, but I'll tell you:

I know very well the woman and the traditional Bokhara home of which the author was talking at the end.

It makes me so proud because she is actually my far relative!

Anyway, I guess the intention of Sanatullo posting the article was different.

cheers

[Iranyar]

Sanatullo ein maqola chi meguad?/in maghale ce miguyed?

[Iranyar]

Eski hammom= old bathroom
eski tosh= old stone

I still don't understand what the article has to do with this, is this about the new snacks taking place the traditional dishes?

well my suggestion is, make snacks with traditional taste.

[sanatullo]

Guyz,

The reason I have posted the following thread under the topic of “Milliylik va yangicha yondoshish” vs “Eski hammom eski tos” was related to the article. I thought, those who have some clues about why the article is written, what is our culture and what is going on in Uzbekistan, probably understood me.

Let’s look to the article.

“The widespread propagation of once-exotic plants, sea travel, mad emirs, Islamic radicalism and Soviet imperialism cut off the region.”

It is obvious that we are the land locked country. But it doesn’t mean that we are cut from the world. Times have changed. People have evolved. We can communicate through different means of communications. I think we just need to remove the barriers author mentioned.

“There is, of course, another risk on arrival: that of Bokhara belly or the Samarkand samba. Tap water and street stall hygiene have left many travellers to the region with lingering and none-too-pleasant memories”

It is true that our streets are not as better as western streets. It is obvious that someone from “West” traveled to our places don’t think about our cities as much as they did during Temurbek’s reign. But I think, all these are not the problem. The problem is that we are still in dirt, we are old behaved, and we don’t believe in ourselves. We are not trying to be better and better.

(to be continued)

[sanatullo]

Let’s be back to the article.

“Local food, and the national tourist industry in general, still bears the heavy, institutionalised hand of the former Soviet agency, Intourist, which has been inherited almost intact by Uzbektour.

The restaurant of the marble- clad Hotel Uzbekistan in the capital city Tashkent, for example, barely has a local dish on the menu. Its local affiliates hardly do better for either the stomach or the nerves, with their Soviet-style service intact and the decor often not much better for the digestion. “

I think, these are our problems. Someone going to Uzbekistan wants to see Uzbekistan in Uzbekistan, he doesn’t want to see Russia or the United States in Uzbekistan. If those highly regulated Uzbektourism can’t deal with tourists, why it is not possible to deregulate them? Or at least, can’t we train our people working in the tourism industry with our manners and culture, that is, can’t we teach Uzbek people with the Uzbek culture?

I personally don’t hate Russian, but we should begin to get rid of Russian and Russian culture. It doesn’t mean that we should not learn Russian culture or we should not read Tolstoy’s “Voyna I Mir”. It means that we should begin to be proud of ourselves.

It is very funny. Not just funny. I saw that several times in Uzbekistan. That’s, our people speak with an Englishman or a foreigner in Russian, though an Englishman/a foreigner understands Russian as much as he understands Uzbek. It is just one of the examples that we don’t believe in ourselves.

Personally, several times, I have been aware that some Russian still feel hatred about us. At least, they try to show our culture and our people as the sucks culture with barbarian people. But they like when some people still speak Russian, want to be like Russian and think our culture and people is like the sucks culture with barbarian people.

I think, it is hard to deny that “Umidies” are seen as an example among the people of Uzbekistan, or am I wrong? Tell if I am wrong. Because it is just my opinion that I heard about Umidies among the people of Uzbekistan. This is not only about me. This is about most of us.

What is sad is that, still most of us, that is, an exampled people of Uzbekistan studying abroad show others “our Russian culture”. Still most of us speak in Russian. Still most of us think that someone who can’t speak Russian is a barbarian.

Let’s be back to the article.

“Even so, the determined independent traveller can now escape the clutches of Uzbektour, even using local travel agents such as Salom (raisasalom.silk.org) to avoid the old trap of needing an invitation from a state hotel to obtain a visa. Several families offer bed, breakfast and evening meals in Samarkand and Bokhara.

It was the best plov we had during our stay in Uzbekistan. The cooking, the backdrop and the hospitality were great. But - perhaps reflecting a lost secret of spices, or the local poverty that means the meat was thinly spread - I have to admit we had had better in Moscow”

Thanks God, Uzbekistan still have alive people. Though they are handicapped, they can show our culture to others. But still they are handicapped. That’s why, I think, there should be support to those people. I mean to the tourism industry. I think, the problem is not only the money, the problem is the created and existing barriers too. The problem is we still don’t believe in ourselves.

I hope at least “we” would be the “hope” of those people, and the industries like tourism would be the beginning of the Reconstruction of our nation. We just need new ideas vs. old ones.

Thanks for those who read all of the thread.

[Alkatraz]

Eski hammom= old bathroom
Eski tosh= old stone

Dear Iranyar:

Sanatullo talked about eski tos, not tosh. Eski tos means old dish used in bathroom or doing laundry. Eski hammom eski tos is Uzbek proverb used to describe a situation which is left unchanged after some kind of reform and/or time period.

To Sanatullo:

I am interested in your topic. But I don't have enough time right now. I will try to come later on.

Regards Alkatraz

[Iranyar]

thanx Alkatraz,

Yes we say to the dish in bath also Tas-e Hammam, (Tos-i hammom, Hammon tos-i)

[qwerty]

Sanatullo I agree with most of your points however can’t agree with some of them:

That’s, our people speak with an Englishman or a foreigner in Russian, though an Englishman/a foreigner understands Russian as much as he understands Uzbek. It is just one of the examples that we don’t believe in ourselves.

I don’t think it’s the matter of confidence it’s just people’s perceptions. Many people have had experience of communication with foreigners and from their experience they know that more foreigners speak Russian than Uzbek. You have to agree that more foreigners speak Russian than Uzbek.

The other reason why our people speak Russian with foreigners is their subconscious logic – since Russians are Caucasians and part of Russia is considered Europe they think that Russian language must be closer to European languages than Uzbek.???

Personally, several times, I have been aware that some Russian still feel hatred about us. At least, they try to show our culture and our people as the sucks culture with barbarian people. But they like when some people still speak Russian, want to be like Russian and think our culture and people is like the sucks culture with barbarian people

You right, but I wonder if it is a hatred they feel or contempt. I know some of them look down at us, but what you gonna do?

I remember an American who visited Samarkand saying that in Moscow he had been advised not to fly to Uzbekistan for the very reasons described in the article (hygiene issues) and security issues. He said he was amazed how Russians were wrong, how beautiful Samarkand was, he loved Uzbek cuisine (unlike Russian), Uzbek people (hospitable), climate and everything. But I have to admit he did not stay at state owned hotel, he used private guest home. ;)

I think, it is hard to deny that “Umidies” are seen as an example among the people of Uzbekistan, or am I wrong? …This is not only about me. This is about most of us.

I’m not sure if Umidies should be popular among people. You know how it works in Uzbekistan – to be popular you have to say what they want, act how they want etc. Most people conservative, which it is hard to say about Umidies (independent, different) – this is probably, is a root of “unpopularity”. People will appreciate Umidies when they see the results of such big expenditures made by government, for this Umidies have to do not what is popular, but what is beneficial for the state and people.;)

A tak ya ne dumau chto nam nado zatsikilivatsya na turisme – ni odna razvitaya strana ne stala razvitoy iz-za turizma naskol’ko mne izvestno. A problemi turisma ne novie – eto te zhe problemi vseh otrasley hozyaystva Uzbekistana I ee mozhno reshit’ kak Sanatullo uzhe govoril tol’ko putem polnoy deregulyatsii.:)

Any feedback on my comments is wellcome!

[Lucky]

Alex- I can't agree with you. Sanatullo just hit the point, as if he read our minds.
Cheers :),