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zanjir
11-01-2006, 08:04 AM
"Is America becoming sick society? "
America da horror hamda porn filmlar industriyasi judayam kuchli. chunki doramadi shiddatli tez hamda juda katta bolgan ushbu sanoat jamiyatga qanaqa ta'sir qilayabdi? nafaqat America balki dunyoning barcha davlatlarida kinoteatrlarda qoyilgan "SAW 1, 2 va yangi chiqqan SAW3 yoshlarimizga qanchalik ta'sir qiladi? Filmdagi scenalardagi yovuzlik, jirkanch hamda shafqatsiz o'lim PG deb belgilab qoyilganiga qaramasdan yashirincha tomoshoga kiradigan teenager larga salbiy ta'sirini bu saoat sohasidan keladigan daromad keljakda qoplay olarmikin?
R&B qoshiqlarichi? yarim yalongoch qizlar yoki klipning kayfiyati farzandlarimiz harakterida yashirincha iz qoldirmasmikin?
fikringiz?
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,226398,00.html
(O'Reilly Factor ga click qiling)
Frida
11-01-2006, 08:08 AM
Gapingizda jon bor, lekin O'Reillyning klipini ham, ovozini ham fikrini ham ko'rishga hech qanday ishtoyoqim yo'q. :D
SAMARKANDI!
11-01-2006, 09:32 AM
"Is America becoming sick society? "
America da horror hamda porn filmlar industriyasi judayam kuchli. chunki doramadi shiddatli tez hamda juda katta bolgan ushbu sanoat jamiyatga qanaqa ta'sir qilayabdi? nafaqat America balki dunyoning barcha davlatlarida kinoteatrlarda qoyilgan "SAW 1, 2 va yangi chiqqan SAW3 yoshlarimizga qanchalik ta'sir qiladi? Filmdagi scenalardagi yovuzlik, jirkanch hamda shafqatsiz o'lim PG deb belgilab qoyilganiga qaramasdan yashirincha tomoshoga kiradigan teenager larga salbiy ta'sirini bu saoat sohasidan keladigan daromad keljakda qoplay olarmikin?
R&B qoshiqlarichi? yarim yalongoch qizlar yoki klipning kayfiyati farzandlarimiz harakterida yashirincha iz qoldirmasmikin?
fikringiz?
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,226398,00.html
(O'Reilly Factor ga click qiling)
Yes they r mostly. You can notice the difference by looking at different societies. Example, people in India r very different from Americans, they have their Bollywood or smth, which makes their people softer, more polite or somehow friendly, love abiding or naive. Americans have their Hollywood. It effects their personality, psycology alot making them somewhat cruel, cold or isolated, indifferent, hard to find the word to discribe. Both peoples grow up with these kind of different media environment which became so influential nowadays. Thats the aim though of their politicians to bring up capitalist, worrior, agressive nation. Thats the way how the powerful survives in their eyes.
p.s. i made some generalizations:)
They have had movies like this forever, this is not new. Quoting Bill O'Reilly is worthless. He is an idiot. This is true for all societies, parents are responsible for their children. I can point out things in every culture that screw up children if parents do not supervise them.
p.s. I have never seen any of these kind of movies.
SAMARKANDI!
11-01-2006, 09:47 AM
They have had movies like this forever, this is not new. Quoting Bill O'Reilly is worthless. He is an idiot. This is true for all societies, parents are responsible for their children. I can point out things in every culture that screw up children if parents do not supervise them.
I feel as if u r trying to defend:), which is obvious by being an American u should, but personally i am not attacking:) i am just opinionizing the thread:)
How good or bad or cruel or polite or whatever Americans r, it is their lives, one clear thing is they r the leaders:) and another clear thing is that they r leading to a stalemate:)
I feel as if u r trying to defend:), which is obvious by being an American u should, but personally i am not attacking:) i am just opinionizing the thread:)
How good or bad or cruel or polite or whatever Americans r, it is their lives, one clear thing is they r the leaders:) and another clear thing is that they r leading to a stalemate:)
Nope, not defending. They could stop making most of that crap and I would be happy. I just don't think it is the reason people turn out a certain way.
SAMARKANDI!
11-01-2006, 09:57 AM
Nope, not defending. They could stop making most of that crap and I would be happy. I just don't think it is the reason people turn out a certain way.
Oh yes sir it is one of the biig reasons people turn out exactly this way:) If u read present psycology books, two schools of thought r fighting what is greater environment or genes that make up human behavior. U can say whichever is the greater one, but the fact is that there is an environmental effect and biig one. And THE MEDIA is counted as one of the huge parts of environmental effects
Danke Sheon:)
Oh yes sir it is one of the biig reasons people turn out exactly this way:) If u read present psycology books, two schools of thought r fighting what is greater environment or genes that make up human behavior. U can say whichever is the greater one, but the fact is that there is an environmental effect and biig one. And THE MEDIA is counted as one of the huge parts of environmental effects
Danke Sheon:)
I agree that environment is important. Environment is just all the experiences a person has in their lifetime. But I am saying that parents control the environment. A good parent actually spends time with their children and does things together. Look at any culture and find out who is screwed up. It is usually people who parents are too busy or uninterested to deal with them or people who have parents that were also screwed up.
SAMARKANDI!
11-01-2006, 10:31 AM
I agree that environment is important. Environment is just all the experiences a person has in their lifetime. But I am saying that parents control the environment. A good parent actually spends time with their children and does things together. Look at any culture and find out who is screwed up. It is usually people who parents are too busy or uninterested to deal with them or people who have parents that were also screwed up.
Pal, one thing i think u r ignoring here is that I AM TRYING to say that even those Parents r already effected:evil: :) I am not talking about only children, everybody, parents, grandparents, uncles..etc even neighbors:lol: The whole society is getting infected:(
p.s. here is the hierarchy of media effects on the family (as my example:)). First u let ur child watch a guy yelling at another guy with obscenity or kissings by lovers, u may think it is not a big deal then ur child may be lets his/her child watch smth aready with beating, hitting or half naked, after ur grands may even think it is ok to let the child watch even killing, slaughtering, sexual actions, and it goes on and on up the stairs. AND this is exactly what is happening:)
Pal, one thing i think u r ignoring here is that I AM TRYING to say that even those Parents r already effected:evil: :) I am not talking about only children, everybody, parents, grandparents, uncles..etc even neighbors:lol: The whole society is getting infected:(
p.s. here is the hierarchy of media effects on the family (as my example:)). First u let ur child watch a guy yelling at another guy with obscenity or kissings by lovers, u may think it is not a big deal then ur child may be lets his/her child watch smth aready with beating, hitting or half naked, after ur grands may even think it is ok to let the child watch even killing, slaughtering, sexual actions, and it goes on and on up the stairs. AND this is exactly what is happening:)
I can't disagree with that but who gets to decide what is acceptable? Not everyone has the same experiences or parents. I don't think the government should choose what people can or can not see. Try censoring something in the US. Americans are different from Uzbeks in that way.
SAMARKANDI!
11-01-2006, 10:56 AM
I can't disagree with that but who gets to decide what is acceptable? Not everyone has the same experiences or parents. I don't think the government should choose what people can or can not see. Try censoring something in the US. Americans are different from Uzbeks in that way.
Well, sooner or later u have to take some actions, it is better to do it sooner and the only body that can do it is the GOV. people r too loose in US, thats why it is hard to do anything.
people r too loose in US, thats why it is hard to do anything.
What does this mean?
My point still remains that parents can control what their children do very easily. I do not believe stupid movies create serial killers either so I am not afraid of what happens from people watching movies. There are lots of places in the US that say that Haloween is evil and it teaches children to worship the devil. Maybe we should let the government stop Haloween too!
Frida
11-01-2006, 11:29 AM
It is a slippery slop, you try to prohibit smth and it might just go on as a chain reaction. first come movies then what? it might end up with total control of what you do, watch, etc. No thanks. Let the people decide.
As for kids, parents should be responsible and control the staff that their kids watch.
Abu Hurayra
11-01-2006, 11:45 AM
They have had movies like this forever, this is not new. Quoting Bill O'Reilly is worthless. He is an idiot. This is true for all societies, parents are responsible for their children. I can point out things in every culture that screw up children if parents do not supervise them.
p.s. I have never seen any of these kind of movies.
Recently I was asked to help with education-studies of small boys between age of 6-9 in a school. We had an interesting program for a day. Everyday by the last part of the program we watch cartoons.
At Fisrt day when I informed pupils that next part of our program will be a CINEMA/VIDEO part. One of boys (age 6) asked me - Will we watch "A Scary Movie". I was very surprized. I would not be surprized if any teenager asked me, but 6 years old little boy ???:( ...
This is really SICK "culture", This is the product of "Western Democracy"
We must protect our future (children) from this kind of garbage...
Recently I was asked to help with education-studies of small boys between age of 6-9 in a school. We had an interesting program for a day. Everyday by the last part of the program we watch cartoons.
At Fisrt day when I informed pupils that next part of our program will be a CINEMA/VIDEO part. One of boys (age 6) asked me - Will we watch "A Scary Movie". I was very surprized. I would not be surprized if any teenager asked me, but 6 years old little boy ???:( ...
This is really SICK "culture", This is the product of "Western Democracy"
We must protect our future (children) from this kind of garbage...
Sure, you do that by dealing with your own children. The parent who allows there 6 year old to watch Scary Movie is going to find other ways to screw them up if you ban movies like that. :( Scary Movies aren't appropriate for tennagers either. I do not blame the makers of the movies though. Even the laws and guidleines prohibit this from being seen by anyone under 17. Normal television channels will not show it either without considerable censoring. Not sure how Germany is, but this is how it works in the US. The only way a 6 year old sees this is really bad parenting.
referee
11-01-2006, 12:20 PM
it is obvious that american movie industry lacks imagination and only survives through pushing its products via aggressive cultural marketing. Such cultural super-imposition not only changes the American society, but also radicalises it, e.g. evangelist revenge...
Here, some friends say that the society must not do anything for the fear of infringing freedom of media and suggest stricter parental control. While favourable, it is a view that does not consider the fact that parents are purposefully taken of their control powers of their children via social control of parental rights, ever expanding children rights, and massive cunning ways that multinational companies and hollywood avoids parents through advertisement, peer pressure etc...
You see, selected few directors and producers and companies want to keep on making money, and the next untapped avenue for them is YOUR CHILDREN. So it's a tough battle, and if some hope to win it without communal or social pressure but through individual parental guidance, they are doomed. I could give many examples, but want to keep it short...
it is obvious that american movie industry lacks imagination and only survives through pushing its products via aggressive cultural marketing. Such cultural super-imposition not only changes the American society, but also radicalises it, e.g. evangelist revenge...
Here, some friends say that the society must not do anything for the fear of infringing freedom of media and suggest stricter parental control. While favourable, it is a view that does not consider the fact that parents are purposefully taken of their control powers of their children via social control of parental rights, ever expanding children rights, and massive cunning ways that multinational companies and hollywood avoids parents through advertisement, peer pressure etc...
You see, selected few directors and producers and companies want to keep on making money, and the next untapped avenue for them is YOUR CHILDREN. So it's a tough battle, and if some hope to win it without communal or social pressure but through individual parental guidance, they are doomed. I could give many examples, but want to keep it short...
That's ridiculous. How do they force your children to do anything? I have seen how the amish are affected by hollywood! :lol: I know lots of families that do not even own television sets. Why do you beleive parents are so powerless against corporate America. I think you only state what you have learned from TV and media.
Also stating that the American movie industry lacks creativity is dumb. Are you willing to say that no American movies are cretive? Americans tend to be the most innovative in producing new things.
referee
11-01-2006, 12:55 PM
How do they force your children to do anything?
Children are easy to influence and easy to pick things, this has been proved by many surveys and studies by academics and even companies. That is why they direct commercials on children. How many children did many of us notice shouting in shops to get them the toy they saw on TV. There is also a peer pressure even if you somehow decide to throw away your TV, you don't want your child to feel deprived of those consumer products that other children brandish at school. Also, it's hard to avoid merchandise for children when cartoons and children movies are geared to sell tonnes of things and are tied up to this movies. Moreover, the children-friendly broadcasting keeps on moving to early and early hours, and some channel don't have such a thing at all and show all sorts of things 24/7.
I know lots of families that do not even own television sets. Why do you beleive parents are so powerless against corporate America. I think you only state what you have learned from TV and media.
I am not saying they are powerless, i am saying they will lose the fight if they only rely on individual parental effort! OK, you know brave families that threw TVs, what about their internet, radio and music, can you throw it all?
These are tools that can be used for unintended purposes, so the society should do more to direct these media tools to the intended aims...
And what you think what I base my statements is irrelevant because every person from Uzb-n will tell how much hollywood movies affect even uzbek youth (some even believe they are rappers from LA, or beauty queen from MTV:lol: )
Also stating that the American movie industry lacks creativity is dumb. Are you willing to say that no American movies are cretive? Americans tend to be the most innovative in producing new things.
Yes, I do have a view that american movie industry lacks creativity currently. That is not to say no American movie ever was creative enough, surely you get this. I am not generalising on american creativity per se, but on the Hollywood's current cinematic output, which many creative but non-Hollywood directors, Americans amongs them, would say as well. You may disagree and cheer the movies coming from the Hollywood, and you are entitled to your opinion. afterall, tastes differ...
Children are easy to influence and easy to pick things, this has been proved by many surveys and studies by academics and even companies. That is why they direct commercials on children. How many children did many of us notice shouting in shops to get them the toy they saw on TV. There is also a peer pressure even if you somehow decide to throw away your TV, you don't want your child to feel deprived of those consumer products that other children brandish at school. Also, it's hard to avoid merchandise for children when cartoons and children movies are geared to sell tonnes of things and are ties up to this movies. Moreover, the children-friendly broadcasting keeps on moving to early and early hours, and some channel don't have such a thing at all and show all sorts of things 24/7.
so you are saying you can not stop children from watching television? :rolleyes: I have seen it done many times. I don't seem to have these urges and I have been around it my whole life. I was not allowed to watch whatever I wanted when I was a child. It is as simple as that. People that rely on society to do their parenting are idiots and their children prove the point. Everyone learns about peer presusre from when they are a small child. Society can not be perfect. There will be idiots and good people regardless of what you do. That is with our without stupid horror movies.
I am not saying they are powerless, i am saying they will lose the fight if they only rely on individual parental effort! OK, you know brave families that threw TVs, what about their internet, radio and music, can you throw it all?
These are tools that can be used for unintended purposes, so the society should do more to direct these media tools to the intended aims...
And what you think what I base my statements, it's irrelevant because every person from Uzb-n will tell you how much hollywood movies affect even uzbek youth (some even believe they are rappers from LA, or beauty queen from MTV:lol: )
You are still telling me that you can not control what your children do? Sorry- I don't believe it by personal experiences. And Uzbekistan brought hollywood to themselves and hand selected what influences they wanted. Sorry that was not hollywood forcing anything on Uzbekistan.:rolleyes:
The Reaper
11-01-2006, 01:15 PM
Yes, Indian movies are bad for everyone, along with Brazilian and Mexican soap operas.
TR
zanjir
11-01-2006, 01:22 PM
That's ridiculous. How do they force your children to do anything? I have seen how the amish are affected by hollywood! :lol: I know lots of families that do not even own television sets. Why do you beleive parents are so powerless against corporate America. I think you only state what you have learned from TV and media.
Also stating that the American movie industry lacks creativity is dumb. Are you willing to say that no American movies are cretive? Americans tend to be the most innovative in producing new things.
Yes you are right at the same time you are wrong. Yes American movie industry had created most welcomed films from all societies of the WORLD. The movies like “Brave Heart”, “Patriot” or “Cold Mountains” etc. which are pushes peoples patriotism or touches the famous word and feeling the LOVE. I or neither of us can not criticize those films. When I opened this thread I wanted to learn your opinion about Horror, porn or some clips and songs(R&B, Hard Rock) which is really becoming huge problem of Christian, normal American family’s life. This is eating slowly and influencing to the normal, society so badly like a cancer or virus. If you watched Russian movie ‘BRAT 2’ if not I suggest you take a time and watch it. they showed some part of American society and real Life from the eye of Russian tourist Danila. Also you may see how American people sick to watch violent sex movies from Russia. I just can not say that whole America is like that. I am just worrying its becoming sick lately and it may appear not only on American simple life but on any society of the world.
I am not agree all the time with O’Reilly but this time I am 100% agree and support him.
Yes you are right at the same time you are wrong. Yes American movie industry had created most welcomed films from all societies of the WORLD. The movies like “Brave Heart”, “Patriot” or “Cold Mountains” etc. which are pushes peoples patriotism or touches the famous word and feeling the LOVE. I or neither of us can not criticize those films. When I opened this thread I wanted to learn your opinion about Horror, porn or some clips and songs(R&B, Hard Rock) which is really becoming huge problem of Christian, normal American family’s life. This is eating slowly and influencing to the normal, society so badly like a cancer or virus. If you watched Russian movie ‘BRAT 2’ if not I suggest you take a time and watch it. they showed some part of American society and real Life from the eye of Russian tourist Danila. Also you may see how American people sick to watch violent sex movies from Russia. I just can not say that whole America is like that. I am just worrying its becoming sick lately and it may appear not only on American simple life but on any society of the world.
I am not agree all the time with O’Reilly but this time I am 100% agree and support him.
Then normal American families are dumb and deserve what they get. Nobody comes and forces you to do anything. And as far as a russian tourist seeing terrible things and making a movie. You could do the same in almost any culture or country. I think movies like saw are disgusting. I am upset I have to watch the previews when I go to the movie theater. But nobody is making Americans watch the movies, and definietly not making anyone around the world watch them. I have no idea what the fascination with american crap os around the world. People must have some desire to see it. It is capitalis. There is a market so someone will make a movie to make money off of it.
SAMARKANDI!
11-01-2006, 06:28 PM
What does this mean?
My point still remains that parents can control what their children do very easily. I do not believe stupid movies create serial killers either so I am not afraid of what happens from people watching movies. There are lots of places in the US that say that Haloween is evil and it teaches children to worship the devil. Maybe we should let the government stop Haloween too!
Loose poeple r those who let things go too loose, take late actions or no actions at all cuz they want too much freedom.
Dude u still didnt get the point if parents r also infected how they r gona control their children?? PLS read my threads above. i just wrote those in vain?
zanjir
11-01-2006, 07:16 PM
Then normal American families are dumb and deserve what they get. Nobody comes and forces you to do anything. And as far as a russian tourist seeing terrible things and making a movie. You could do the same in almost any culture or country. I think movies like saw are disgusting. I am upset I have to watch the previews when I go to the movie theater. But nobody is making Americans watch the movies, and definietly not making anyone around the world watch them. I have no idea what the fascination with american crap os around the world. People must have some desire to see it. It is capitalis. There is a market so someone will make a movie to make money off of it.
I think it is some sort of negative site of american democracy. yes they are for open marketing for any industry. they have to take control of it. it has to be regulated otherwise future of american youth in deep trouble.
referee
11-02-2006, 04:30 AM
so you are saying you can not stop children from watching television? :rolleyes: I have seen it done many times. I don't seem to have these urges and I have been around it my whole life. I was not allowed to watch whatever I wanted when I was a child. It is as simple as that.
Why to radicalise person's words:D Of course, parents can stop their children from watching TV, but only very tiny minority can and actually do enforce such strict measures. I really cheer your parents for bringing you up properly, but times are changing and such parenting is very hard to implement now.
People that rely on society to do their parenting are idiots and their children prove the point.
Again, parents are not meant to rely on the society to bring their children up but they cannot disregard the influences coming from the society. Would you say that parents in the Soviet environment had similar/equal pressures as parents in the USA? That's hard to agree.
You are still telling me that you can not control what your children do? Sorry- I don't believe it by personal experiences. And Uzbekistan brought hollywood to themselves and hand selected what influences they wanted. Sorry that was not hollywood forcing anything on Uzbekistan
Again, I am saying it has become harder and harder to do that. And the easy ride that our parents had during the strict Soviet society is not gonna happen to today's parents, and that is the fact. And the negative influence of the Hollywood and multinational companies will add to the difficulties. Before kids watched Bollywood movies where a kiss was a tabboo, and now they watch Hollywood and MTV where there is nothing a taboo.
Swordfish
11-02-2006, 04:56 AM
"Is America becoming sick society? "
America da horror hamda porn filmlar industriyasi judayam kuchli. chunki doramadi shiddatli tez hamda juda katta bolgan ushbu sanoat jamiyatga qanaqa ta'sir qilayabdi? nafaqat America balki dunyoning barcha davlatlarida kinoteatrlarda qoyilgan "SAW 1, 2 va yangi chiqqan SAW3 yoshlarimizga qanchalik ta'sir qiladi? Filmdagi scenalardagi yovuzlik, jirkanch hamda shafqatsiz o'lim PG deb belgilab qoyilganiga qaramasdan yashirincha tomoshoga kiradigan teenager larga salbiy ta'sirini bu saoat sohasidan keladigan daromad keljakda qoplay olarmikin?
R&B qoshiqlarichi? yarim yalongoch qizlar yoki klipning kayfiyati farzandlarimiz harakterida yashirincha iz qoldirmasmikin?
fikringiz?
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,226398,00.html
(O'Reilly Factor ga click qiling)
sick? you know that means a proper good in UK english... or maybe pakistani and indian english more precisely.. they say sick but they mean interesting and smashing...
well, US always find dogy ways of entertainment... and they try to believe it themselves as well... but you can get something good out of eveyrthing.. i dont mind watching when i have the time..
Alesser
11-02-2006, 06:59 AM
Pal, one thing i think u r ignoring here is that I AM TRYING to say that even those Parents r already effected:evil: :) I am not talking about only children, everybody, parents, grandparents, uncles..etc even neighbors:lol: The whole society is getting infected:(
p.s. here is the hierarchy of media effects on the family (as my example:)). First u let ur child watch a guy yelling at another guy with obscenity or kissings by lovers, u may think it is not a big deal then ur child may be lets his/her child watch smth aready with beating, hitting or half naked, after ur grands may even think it is ok to let the child watch even killing, slaughtering, sexual actions, and it goes on and on up the stairs. AND this is exactly what is happening:)
of course it is sad, but true... I agree with your point, my personal experience, when I came America first time through this exchange program, I lived with my host family... my American host parents had a young son who was about 12 years old... one time we went to blockbuster and rented this
"American Pie" movie which was a new release at that time... so, all of us come back home, including my host bro, and start watching this movie... unblieveable, I was almost 18 at the time and got so ashamed because of the movie content and covered my eyes with my hands, but this 12 year old kid was just enjoying it with his parents just like a regular non sexual comedy... by the way, when I did that (covered my eyes) my host dad told me that it is ok for us, boys, to watch this kind of movies and he does understand our certain guy needs... they were very nice people, but I'm sure that these kind of movies do efect their kid's way of thinking and the way of talking like cursing, using bad language to their parents... back home, I never-ever dare to watch any movie with even a little bit of hugging or kissing when my parents are present...
Every parent makes a decision on how they want to raise their children. If you do not like a certain culture, you avoid it. There are very easy ways to avoid whatver negative influences you perceive. You can move to a different place or even country. You can spend more time with your children and teach them right from wrong. You can not give them a TV and a computer and let them do whatver they want. Society restricts what children can see. If you don't like it you can even program your TV to block different channels. You can password protect your computer. Life is about choices. If I don't like something- I don't do it.
SAMARKANDI!- if parents are already that way, you can't just change them. The real problem is you can't tell people how to raise their children. Try telling a parent that they are doing something wrong and see how they react to you. Unfortunately there is not much you can do about bad parents.
Alesser
11-02-2006, 09:29 AM
Every parent makes a decision on how they want to raise their children. If you do not like a certain culture, you avoid it. There are very easy ways to avoid whatver negative influences you perceive. You can move to a different place or even country. You can spend more time with your children and teach them right from wrong. You can not give them a TV and a computer and let them do whatver they want. Society restricts what children can see. If you don't like it you can even program your TV to block different channels. You can password protect your computer. Life is about choices. If I don't like something- I don't do it.
agree, true, but still even if we don't do such things, and don't prevent others doing it, in someway it will have some effect on us... in nowadays it became so common that people often listen in news about shootings at school, child molestations, rapings, killings and other stuff... almost all of these are the infectious products of careless parents and what we call media... it was theirs parents' decision to raise them this way, but still there many other people who are the victims of other's life choices I guess... life is about choices, even it is not perfect...
agree, true, but still even if we don't do such things, and don't prevent others doing it, in someway it will have some effect on us... in nowadays it became so common that people often listen in news about shootings at school, child molestations, rapings, killings and other stuff... almost all of these are the infectious products of careless parents and what we call media... it was theirs parents' decision to raise them this way, but still there many other people who are the victims of other's life choices I guess... life is about choices, even it is not perfect...
I agree- but how do you change this? I do not think censoring TV or media will help. :(
Alesser
11-02-2006, 10:01 AM
I agree- but how do you change this? I do not think censoring TV or media will help. :(
yep it is sad:(, (I guess thats why life isn't perfect), but as you mentioned earlier we should start from home among our children, brothers, sisters and reletives and then move on to the next level to our neighbours, local community through presenting our ideas and worries about our families, preventing them from observing media materials which can make negetive effect on them... I believe if we have the real intention, there are many, many ways we can spread the good among our people... first, it will starts through being a good example for others, our actions and care about people:) ...
SAMARKANDI!
11-02-2006, 01:43 PM
Every parent makes a decision on how they want to raise their children. If you do not like a certain culture, you avoid it. There are very easy ways to avoid whatver negative influences you perceive. You can move to a different place or even country. You can spend more time with your children and teach them right from wrong. You can not give them a TV and a computer and let them do whatver they want. Society restricts what children can see. If you don't like it you can even program your TV to block different channels. You can password protect your computer. Life is about choices. If I don't like something- I don't do it.
SAMARKANDI!- if parents are already that way, you can't just change them. The real problem is you can't tell people how to raise their children. Try telling a parent that they are doing something wrong and see how they react to you. Unfortunately there is not much you can do about bad parents.
For every created problem we can create a solution as well.
I told u in my previous posts about how this phenomenon has evovled and became a problem at present. If u paid attention it was a gradual process, it went through stages and slowly shaped its current status. And we r talking about Media specifically. So if the same prosedure is repeated but in the opposite direction with Government's help (if fed funds target this, money makes alot of things possible), slowly advertising, promoting or putting somekinda shadow of discouragement on viewing these types of movies or any materials, then the solution can be achieved. People slowly but surely would accept the idea of how it is bad to watch these kind of negtive media. It may also take generations, i am not talking about drastic change, it will of course cause some radical feedback. No slowly but effectively. There is a solution, it is just the Gov and some capitalistic greed (cuz of the huge amounts of profite), people r unwilling to go against their whims.
For every created problem we can create a solution as well.
I told u in my previous posts about how this phenomenon has evovled and became a problem at present. If u paid attention it was a gradual process, it went through stages and slowly shaped its current status. And we r talking about Media specifically. So if the same prosedure is repeated but in the opposite direction with Government's help (if fed funds target this, money makes alot of things possible), slowly advertising, promoting or putting somekinda shadow of discouragement on viewing these type of movies or any materials, then the solution can be achieved. People slowly but surely would accept the idea of how it is bad to watch these kind of negtive media. It may also take generations, i am not talking about drastic change, it will of course cause some radical feedback. No slowly but effectively. There is a solution, it is just the Gov and some capitalistic greed (cuz of the huge amounts of profite), people r unwilling to go against their whims.
The government does enough with the rating system and warnings. Have you ever seen the government do anything positive? I don't think the government does anything well. Neither does the majority of the population. The goal is to keep the government out of most aspects of life. Popular culture is driven by money. If people were better, then we would have better media. The media is supplying what the population wants. You have to surround yourself with people who think like you. You can not just start changing the culture because you do not like it. I gave up a long time ago! :?
SAMARKANDI!
11-02-2006, 02:10 PM
The government does enough with the rating system and warnings. Have you ever seen the government do anything positive? I don't think the government does anything well. Neither does the majority of the population. The goal is to keep the government out of most aspects of life. Popular culture is driven by money. If people were better, then we would have better media. The media is supplying what the population wants. You have to surround yourself with people who think like you. You can not just start changing the culture because you do not like it. I gave up a long time ago! :?
Hmm, the goal is not to keep the Gov out of most aspects of life but to Limit its power over them. And the goverment is already went way beyond the limits after 9/11, they could try doing it in this aspect in question as well. But not so fast as i said gradually, so people wouldnt feel dramatic changes. If u r up to smth first u have to believe in that, if u give up as u said, it wont work, then the action.
U r right if people were better then u would have better media. But i put it this way, people r not bad, they become so after they r played, influenced, and driven by moeny and media. Gov and other authorative bodies r not that stupid, they know whats going on. They let it go cuz they need this kind of society, as i said why in my first post in this thread.:)
Hmm, the goal is not to keep the Gov out of most aspects of life but to Limit its power over them. And the goverment is already went way beyond the limits after 9/11, they could try doing it in this aspect in question as well. But not so fast as i said gradually, so people wouldnt feel dramatic changes. If u r up to smth first u have to believe in that, if u give up as u said, it wont work, then the action.
U r right if people were better then u would have better media. But i put it this way, people r not bad, they become so after they r played, influenced, and driven by moeny and media. Gov and other authorative bodies r not that stupid, they know whats going on. They let it go cuz they need this kind of society, as i said why in my first post in this thread.:)
I guess that's why living in the US sucks so bad.
SAMARKANDI!
11-02-2006, 02:21 PM
I guess that's why living in the US sucks so bad.
If u know what u r doing, and dont run after that "Popular culture" it actually doesnt suck so much:). There are many many decent people in US yet.
If u know what u r doing, and dont run after that "Popular culture" it actually doesnt suck so much:). There are many many decent people in US yet.
My opinion is only kids, unemployed people, and foreigners really follow American popular culture. And I think it sucks most of the time. As soon as I am rich I will leave. :lol: :(
SAMARKANDI!
11-02-2006, 02:27 PM
My opinion is only kids, unemployed people, and foreigners really follow American popular culture. And I think it sucks most of the time. As soon as I am rich I will leave. :lol: :(
Then your point is worng:)
Then your point is worng:)
college kids have their own crappy culture if that is what you mean. Foreigners see this crap and think that is how Americans live. :lol: :lol: :lol: Which point was wrong?
SAMARKANDI!
11-02-2006, 02:41 PM
college kids have their own crappy culture if that is what you mean. Foreigners see this crap and think that is how Americans live. :lol: :lol: :lol: Which point was wrong?
Now u r totally wrong:lol: U think foreigners cant think beyond what can see?? if u think this way then u have that problem. jk:) but there is some truth in both sides of the argument concerning colleges' crappy culture, since colleges r all over the US:)
vatansevar
11-02-2006, 02:59 PM
Very interesting topic. There is one thing you should always keep in mind - media is one of the best ways, if not the best, of propaganda. You want it that way or not, but it has always affected people's way of thinking. If there is a lot of violence on TV, gradually this would turn into norm.
We all talk from grown-ups' point of view. It is quite hard to change our way of thinking. But don't draw parallel lines between you and kids. Kids' perception is totally different - what is seen is proven. At least in their way of thinking. They always try to imitate.
Someone was saying it is like a chain reaction, if you start censoring movie industry, this will cause further "oppression" of democracy, democratic values. Well, I don't agree with that. If you let it go as it is, in a while it would be way too difficult to remedy the consequences, the negative effect. It has nothing to do with limiting "civil rights", but instead it is quite the opposite - an attempt to preserve peace and morality of the society.
IMHO
zanjir
11-03-2006, 07:41 PM
[QUOTE=vatansevar;531327]Very interesting topic. There is one thing you should always keep in mind - media is one of the best ways, if not the best, of propaganda. You want it that way or not, but it has always affected people's way of thinking. If there is a lot of violence on TV, gradually this would turn into norm.
We all talk from grown-ups' point of view. It is quite hard to change our way of thinking. But don't draw parallel lines between you and kids. Kids' perception is totally different - what is seen is proven. At least in their way of thinking. They always try to imitate.
Someone was saying it is like a chain reaction, if you start censoring movie industry, this will cause further "oppression" of democracy, democratic values. Well, I don't agree with that. If you let it go as it is, in a while it would be way too difficult to remedy the consequences, the negative effect. It has nothing to do with limiting "civil rights", but instead it is quite the opposite - an attempt to preserve peace and morality of the society.
the family is small part of sociaty. for the son, father is hero. if you hurt father, son gets mad. son always wants to be like father. PG means parental guide right?
if the father prefers watch the horror what's gonna happen to the son? if he brings that kind of movies from blockbuster, you think son wont see it?
the reason of sickness in sociaty begins from there and it will get a huge problem in very near future.
the family is small part of sociaty. for the son, father is hero. if you hurt father, son gets mad. son always wants to be like father. PG means parental guide right?
if the father prefers watch the horror what's gonna happen to the son? if he brings that kind of movies from blockbuster, you think son wont see it?
the reason of sickness in sociaty begins from there and it will get a huge problem in very near future.
Let me clear something up. I am not for horror or porn movies. I don't know much about it and I definitely do not watch it. I also think adults have the right to watch what they want. Parents also have the right to do what they want. Why are you guys so concerned about the US crumbling and falling apart? It seems like that would be a good thing, right? Either way, I know plenty of people who like this stuff and they are not evil or crazy. They can watch horror movies and they don't ever seem crazed to go around killing people. I think bad people do bad things and I don't think it is triggered by 2 hours out of their year when they watched some stupid movie.
zanjir
11-05-2006, 02:06 AM
Let me clear something up. I am not for horror or porn movies. I don't know much about it and I definitely do not watch it. I also think adults have the right to watch what they want. Parents also have the right to do what they want. Why are you guys so concerned about the US crumbling and falling apart? It seems like that would be a good thing, right? Either way, I know plenty of people who like this stuff and they are not evil or crazy. They can watch horror movies and they don't ever seem crazed to go around killing people. I think bad people do bad things and I don't think it is triggered by 2 hours out of their year when they watched some stupid movie.
Let us say now you watching a horror movie...
Guy and girl in the car driving to somewhere and they saw a man on side of the road bagging to help or just raising his hand to stop them. girl asks a bf to stop and take him. guy sits in the car than kills both of them.
after watching this scene would you stop your car if somebody stops you on the country road?
Hell NO!
this is a simple bad influence of horror. you are not CRAZY just scared or that scene still in your mind:)
Let us say now you watching a horror movie...
Guy and girl in the car driving to somewhere and they saw a man on side of the road bagging to help or just raising his hand to stop them. girl asks a bf to stop and take him. guy sits in the car than kills both of them.
after watching this scene would you stop your car if somebody stops you on the country road?
Hell NO!
this is a simple bad influence of horror. you are not CRAZY just scared or that scene still in your mind:)
Well- I would probably not stop to pick someone up anyways with my wife or daughter in the car. It has nothing to do with horror movies. People are crazy. You are suggesting that the world would be safer without horror movies? I think crime and murder has always been around. Stupid movies have not.
zanjir
11-05-2006, 11:37 PM
Well- I would probably not stop to pick someone up anyways with my wife or daughter in the car. It has nothing to do with horror movies. People are crazy. You are suggesting that the world would be safer without horror movies? I think crime and murder has always been around. Stupid movies have not.
Nobody can deny that crime hasnt been always around. the thing is crime or murder are appearing so often with the way never seen before such a SAW "games". serial killers or "manyak"s wasnt so around before. or children sex have you heard it before?
Nobody can deny that crime hasnt been always around. the thing is crime or murder are appearing so often with the way never seen before such a SAW "games". serial killers or "manyak"s wasnt so around before. or children sex have you heard it before?
You just didn't hear about things because there was no such thing as the interenet and world media. I also don't think there are any copy cat killers like this. Now that would be big news. I think you live in California, right? Everyone is crazy there anyways. :lol: I have no idea what goes on there.
zanjir
11-07-2006, 10:59 AM
You just didn't hear about things because there was no such thing as the interenet and world media. I also don't think there are any copy cat killers like this. Now that would be big news. I think you live in California, right? Everyone is crazy there anyways. :lol: I have no idea what goes on there.
Internet and Media nothing to do with the killer thing. yes, internet is such a common way of exchanging information between the media of the world.
and I think intercultural transforms also going on via internet so far.
so sadistic movies and thoughts also transfering with the same way.
about cali...yes I used to live there for awhile but now in east coast.
if you compare ppl west and east in the country you will be witnessed two different world. californians much nicer than simple NYorker. But crime and murder dont chose the place. and the problem is nationwide I can say worldwide...
Internet and Media nothing to do with the killer thing. yes, internet is such a common way of exchanging information between the media of the world.
and I think intercultural transforms also going on via internet so far.
so sadistic movies and thoughts also transfering with the same way.
about cali...yes I used to live there for awhile but now in east coast.
if you compare ppl west and east in the country you will be witnessed two different world. californians much nicer than simple NYorker. But crime and murder dont chose the place. and the problem is nationwide I can say worldwide...
east coast, west coast- baribir yaxshi emas. :lol:
Have you actually heard of anyone copying what they see in movies though? Maybe once or twice in the history of the world. This is not something to worry about. The availability of weapons, ethnic prejudices, economic conditions- this is what causes crime.
zanjir
11-07-2006, 11:22 AM
east coast, west coast- baribir yaxshi emas. :lol:
Have you actually heard of anyone copying what they see in movies though? Maybe once or twice in the history of the world. This is not something to worry about. The availability of weapons, ethnic prejudices, economic conditions- this is what causes crime.
I cant say that somebody may copy those violences. the thing is who is going to c it and having a GOOD time while in the theater by watching that kind of movies. and the beginng of influence to sociaty right there.
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