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Duma
02-15-2001, 12:12 AM
Apart from discussions on political, religious, and "hate" issues, let's discuss something real and visionary, the issues that we can actually do something about, come up with new ideas, change or modify..

Uzbekistan is now at the stage of integration into the world economic arena. I'd say the country is producing more than it used to 10 years ago. The State is struggling to build a stronghold for new businesses and entrepreneurships to emerge. I believe they are doing the best they can to provide these new businesses with enough help they need. Everything seems to be going so smooth so that people are beginning to believe that we'll be OK say 20 years from now.
But let me say, we're not productive. We're not committed to quality. And we're not going anywhere. Because we neither have the ability, nor the guts to compete with the rest of the world. And if we don't do something about it.,the standard of living will not be getting any better. Not tomorrow. Not in 10 years. Not even in 20 years.

Why is this guy tying these three different things together, you might ask.

I am sure all of you are aware of Deming's and Malcolm Baldridge's ideas on productivity. "Productivity should be critically tied to continious quality improvement. Unless we won't institute/accept Quality as the major factor at the organization/state level, we can't expect an improvement in our standard of living". Japan was the first to integrate and adopt this philosophy. You know what Japan used to be before 70s and what it is now.

Maybe it is time for our politicians, businessmen to change their views about the productivity. Leave the traditional way of thinking behind and accept the contemporary one.. if they are really willing and still committed to improving the Quality of leading lives in Uzb.
Maybe it is time for us to step aside from religious/political discussions, and start thinking about the least things we can do/implement backhome.
This BOARD is not what it used to be three years ago.
Any thoughts welcome.

General
02-15-2001, 04:44 AM
It's not so easy as you think.
To compete with Japan, Europe, USA we must have abundant money. Now everyone who makes some invention rushes to buy it to the West.
It's sad, but it's truth.
Now only industrialization can help us to improve our living standards.

confused
02-15-2001, 08:00 AM
General,

you mean sell it ti the west, right?

Duma,

you can not force quality production. It is something that can be done by market itself, competition...

the only thing we can force: laws, which will help to develope market, competition and diverse environment. Hullas , eshak, aravani oldida bo'lishi kerak.

Ya tebe odin umniy vesh' skaju:
Probably, religious discussion is not directly related to this topic, but you can not separate political one.
Otherwise, eshak budet pozadi telegi.

Sorry for mix.

Confused.

Duma
02-15-2001, 01:45 PM
confused: Laws? Kim amal qiladi qonunlarga? Hozirda bor qonunlarga amal qilishmayaptiku.
I am just trying to be realistic. We don't need to issue new laws. We need to change the organization culture.,
Eliminate the tradionational management. Establish new standards. Modern Standards.
See what i mean?

General: Who says to compete with the rest of the world we need abundant money? Of course we don't have enough resources to compete with Europe, US and Japan. But at least we could start viewing CIS as a competitor. Time for globalization. Don't you think?

I am telling you, industrialization will not improve living standard in Uzb. Who in the world wants to buy our product? Not the essense itself, but the way you look at the essence is important.
:)

IcyCool
02-15-2001, 02:11 PM
Rebyata, ya dumayu chto quality is partly depends on the nation itself. Germans could build Mercedes-Benzes because they were able to.

I mean, the quality is not only procedural change. We must educate our people. We have to change their minds.

Mimohodom
02-25-2001, 10:04 PM
well... vse zavisit ot mentaliteta.

one of the definitions of quality is conformance to specifications.... v strane zakoni doljni soblyudatsya... a oni u nas ne soblyudayutsya, vot vam i conformance to specifications. gos-vo doljno sozdat' environment of justice. da i nam samim pora nachat' privivat' chuvstvo of self-respect.
hotya kajetsya u nas nikogda ne budet kak u japan, taiwan, singapura. u nih yest' confucian thinking, vorovat' neprinyato, long-term view ochen' razvit, da i personal relationships vajni.
a u nas chto? yesli kto "bogatim" stal tak srazu obrashayetsya k drugim na drugoy note, kishlak vs. gorod problema.... blah blah...
budu kratkim:
justice and self-respect needed for economic development.

sanjar
02-26-2001, 11:10 AM
Fellai Duma,

You know, I imagine that Duma-chol from "Ikki eshik orasi" when I see your nick and read your ideas! :)

I have got the full picture now: Duma in Duma! ;) Arguing that we should discuss something real and visionary... an 'old' guy missing the 'old boards' :(

Actually, Dumabek, I quite respect your intention to raise productivity in Uzb. We all can see that you quite fancy Deming's and Malcolm Baldridge's ideas on productivity.

But, dear fella, do we have the neccessary means to raise the quality? Well, what are those factors/means which help to raise the quality? Do you have any answers to this question?

(Someone told above that 'MARKET' will settle everything and I agree with him)

p.s. Justice is in 'separation of powers'. Absense of scrutiny of (any) power gives (all the) chanses to abuse it (the power).

Suggestions: Oliy Majlis should be reformed. We need bicameral parliament. Oliy Majlis should not be a "Council of Shah's own 'guyz'" (have you ever seen anyone arguing with State officials in OM? Me neither and it is sad!). We need a real opposition (oh by the way, I suggest you (those in UK) to watch PMQs on Wednesdays (BBC Parliament, BBC 1)), we need real parties.

Someone told above, every Uzbek citizen should have a self-respect. - True! -

And again, Duma don't be upset, matie! This BOARD is the same, just You've got older! ;)

For Peace and Prosperity on this Planet!
SJ 8)

Freestyler'
02-26-2001, 12:09 PM
Izvinite za hanjestvo, no vsyo je mne kajetsya smeshnim, chto problemu kachestva tovarov i proizvodstva nujno reshat' cherez problemu parlamenta.
Ya lichno ne viju osoboy svyazi mejdu etimi dvumya veshami.

Kajetsya pereskakivat' s odnoy temi na druguyu mogut tol'ko u nas.

(No offence intended)

sanjar
02-26-2001, 12:23 PM
Freestyler'

:D

Tam nichego obschego mezhdu parlamentom i productivity, fella.

Ty prosto, ne smog (ne soobrazil? ;)) razdelit' the above message na dve chasti.

Chast' vtoraya (which has nothing to do with part I) nachinayetsya tam gde p.s. i prodolzhayetsya Suggestions'om.

The issue of democracy was raised before me.

Cheers.
SJ 8)

sanjar
02-26-2001, 12:26 PM
Korrektirovka: 'The question of JUSTICE', a ne 'issue of democracy'.

SJ 8)

Freestyler'
02-27-2001, 08:54 AM
Ok, <Sanjar>, my apologies to you.

(Prosto ne privichno kogda postscriptum po obyomu raven samomu pis'mu. ;) )