naskolko lyudi menyayutsya zagranicey??

[Azyaka]

Mi uzbeki i ochen silno otlichaemsya po vospitaniyu,vazglyadam,jizni naprimer ot amerikancev.No slojno bit takim kakim yavlayeshsya esli vse vokrug drugie.
Tak naskolko je menyayemsya mi za predelami rodini???

[StU]

Trudno skazat, no menyaemsa odnoznachno. Samostoyatelnost otkladivaet otpechatok otvetstvennosti i na mnogie veshi nachinaesh smotret sovershenno drugimi glazami. V pervuyu ochered nachinaesh cenit vremya i monohronno planiruesh vsyu svoyu jizn, stanovishya ekonomnim i racionalnim. Naprimer uje ne tak radueshsa nezvannim gostyam kak doma v svoe vremya. Nachinaesh ponimat chego hochesh ot jizni i chto dlya tebya v jizni glavnoe. Samoe interesnoe - privikaesh k odinochestvu. No nikogda ne teryaesh svoi cennosti i svoyu sushnost i tem bolee svoi korni. Chelovek, otkazavshiysa ot svoih korney - sposoben perestupat cherez tela.

Naschet togo chto mi drugie, chem oni - a kak vi eshe hoteli? Vse ludi raznie, kulturi raznie, esli po etoi prichine vas ne prinimaut v tom ili inom obshestve eto eshe ne govorit o tom chto nujno sebya menyat. Kak v odnoi pesenke bilo: "ne stoit progibatsa pod izmenchiviy mir, pust luchshe on prognetsa pod nas".

Eto konechno dlya mnogih kulturniy shok, no esli ego tolkom proanalizirovat, produmat i reshit dlya sebya podhodit li mne ono ili net, to vse na samom dele stanovitsa proshe.

[HustleR]

it depends on your personal perception of things around you, the way you react is biological factor just like you smell bad smell and don't wanna be around unless that smell has to do smthing with pursuing your career goals or studies, that could happen to anybody, the only way I think to deal with it is to be yourself and keep on your own principles and values. Let them accept you who you are and have'em respect you.

Studentin has a point too.

[erkak#1]

It depends... agar odam o'zini millatini har bir narsasini e'zozliydigan bo'sa, u holda o'zgarishi qiyin bo'ladi. Agar odam hich narsa haqida o'ylamasdan, faqat yashasa, u holda hatto dinini ham yo'qotishi mumkun.

[NozChik]

Dadajonimni gaplari "Qaerda bulsang ham odam bulgin bolam:) " America deb Esini yuqotib quyisham notugri, lekin bazi uzbechkalaga uhshab shortik kiyishga kiyadiyu oyogini sochi usib yotibdi:? :shock:, shortik kiedingmi eplab kiy eplomisanmi nima qilasan uzbekligingni bulgab. Keyinroq yana yozarman hozi vahtim kamroq....:D

[crescent]

Chto ya zametila v sebe: stala bezrazlichnoy k mneniyam okrujayushix. Schitayus' tol'ko s soboyu. Postupayu kak xochu. Soveti slushayu, no reshayu ya! Nikto ne mojet ukazat' mne chto delat'. Ran'she bila nemnojko zakompleksovannoy, seychas namnogo bolee uverenna v sebe. Ponyala chto business is business, no matter what happens in there, it shouldn't be taken private. Nauchilas' izobrajat' sadkuyu ulibku daje kogda gor'ko na dushe...

will continue later ;)

[SAMARKANDI!]

Sometimes i say to my self is this really me?... and sometimes i say yeah this is still you Samarkandi! u didnt change a bit!

Some things change cuz of the environment, some things just cuz u get older and some things stay the same always. and The latter in combination with the former ones makes u distinct from others.

[PainKiller]

it depends on your personal perception of things around you, the way you react is biological factor just like you smell bad smell and don't wanna be around unless that smell has to do smthing with pursuing your career goals or studies, that could happen to anybody, the only way I think to deal with it is to be yourself and keep on your own principles and values. Let them accept you who you are and have'em respect you.

Studentin has a point too.

Of course time and place leaves a track on ur life and behavior. If it does not, there is something wrong with your consumption of events around you.
Did I change? I did.
Learned to be independent, today I can make decisions way bigger than when I was home a few years ago. I got more brave.
I am used to living alone and no longer wish having noisy, loud relatives' kids around anymore. I need time and space for myself now to sit and think.

PS. Oqayiq aka, bormisiz aka?;)

[Royal]

Dadajonimni gaplari "Qaerda bulsang ham odam bulgin bolam:) " America deb Esini yuqotib quyisham notugri, lekin bazi uzbechkalaga uhshab shortik kiyishga kiyadiyu oyogini sochi usib yotibdi:? :shock:, shortik kiedingmi eplab kiy eplomisanmi nima qilasan uzbekligingni bulgab. Keyinroq yana yozarman hozi vahtim kamroq....:D

Etika deydi, Estetika deydi, Odam deydi...

Shungayam hudoga shukir deyish kerayde endi, chunki shortik bosayam kiyiptiyu oshanga aqli yetip...

Kiymaganida nima qilardu - hech narsa...

Shu kunlarga yetkazganigaym shukir.

[zanjir]

man bilmadim shu yozganlani fikrlari judayam chalkash:
muhit ta'sir qilishi mumkin lekin sizi hayotizi mazmuniga aylanishi kerak emas.
odam bitta narsani hich unutmasligi kerak u ham bolsa oldin kim bolganuyu endi kimligini!
ming harakat qiling shortik kiyasmi yoki mini yupka kiyasmi yoki umuman yalongoch yurasmi bunda muhitni ayblamang! o'zizni ayblang! demakki siz ZAIFSIZ sizga qilinayotgan hujumni yenga olmayapsiz!
qaysi davlatta yashashizdan qatiy nazar sizni u yerdagi otroq aholi ozbek ekanligiz uchun HURMAT qilsin! americanlashganiz yoki germanlashganiz uchun emas chunki siz 50 yildan keyin ham bitta savolga javob berishga majbursiz u ham bolsa :where are youoriginally from? yoki what language you speak?
man qiynaydigan narsa agar Ozbekistonga qaytib borsam judayam agressive hayotda ancha muncha sokin hayotga konika olarmikinman? har sahar coffee shopdan oladigan bir chashka qahvamni u yerda ham topa olarmikinman(albatta hamma uyda borku kochada dmoqchiman)? yoki samarqandni biror qishlogiga ketayotgan bolsam mapquest siz nima qilarkanman? yoki shunga ohshash mayda chuydalar.
lekin man albatta ishonamanki odam har narsaga konika oladi, ozim osib ulgaygan, kindik qonim tokilgan vatanimda yashab keta olmasam o'libmanmi a?

PS: manimcha hamma maglubiyatlarga sababchi odam dinini unutganligida bolsa kerak. chunki tashqi dunyoda bizga eng bomaganda din tomonidan yaqin bolganlar bu muslimlardir. ularga yaqinlashsak hicham yoq demasdan jamiyatga qoshishadi.

[Royal]

Inson qatta bolishidan qattiy nazar ozligini yani oz millatiga sadoqatini , udumlarimizni va tushunchalarimizni saqlab qolishimiz kerak...

qandoq qilip ?

Hammasini uyda !!! Ostonada uyga otilishi bilan inson oz millati vakiliga aylanishi va osha uyda ayoli (uylangan bolsa) yoki ozi tamonidan osha millie "atmosfera" tuzilghan bolishi kerak...keyingi farzandlari ham huddi shundoq tuzilgan "atmosferada" kotta boladi va ular ham shundoq tarbiya oladi inshaAllah.

Lekin ostonadan tashqariga chiqildimi demak osha yashayotgan eyridagi hayot va 'atmosferadigi" insonlari kabi harakatda bolsihi kerak - chegaralardan chiqmagan holatda.

Man shundoq tushunaman va shundoq bolishiga harakatidaman...

[Queen]

manda chet elga kelganimda ozgarsih albatta bolgan. Lekin bu ozgarishni chet elga kelib boshqa madaniyatgaga organish uchunmi, kattalar hayotiga kirib, bu "kattalar" hayotiga organish uchunmi, yoki uyimdagilardan uzoqda bolib mustaqil hayotiga organish uchunmi -bilmadim, ozim ham adashib ketaman. Bir hillarida oylayman agar vatanimda bolsam ham shunaqa ozgararmidim, odam yoshi katta bolsa shunaqa bolarmikan. Lekin nima ozgarish bolsa ham, odam ozida shu ozgarishni kora bilib, undan qoniqsa, hech ham afsuslanmasa, demak togri ozgarish boldi deb oylayman.

[Royal]

siz Nozchikni gapiga tushunmabsiz shekilli aynan usha etika estetika degan narsalr etishmagani uchun shunaka kiyingan demokchi shekilli.

Shortikam kiyiptiku degan gapiz rosa gashimni keltirdi yo nima uniyam kiyasligini tasavvur kilolasmi? :rolleyes: yo shunde kuchaga chikib ketorsinmi?:D

ja kizu gapirasde, betta shurtikni eplab kiymaganini gapirsa, siz busa shuni kiyganigayam shukr kil, shuni kiymasligiyam mumkin deb javob kildiz. :D

Ukam aaaaanchaaaaa narsa kormaganakansizde unda a....

maylin bu kunlaram otip ketadi...

[SAMARKANDI!]

Ukam aaaaanchaaaaa narsa kormaganakansizde unda a....

maylin bu kunlaram otip ketadi...

Royal bobo manimcha oldin bobo bomagan:lol: (jk)

[Inspiredmind]

Trudno skazat, no menyaemsa odnoznachno. Samostoyatelnost otkladivaet otpechatok otvetstvennosti i na mnogie veshi nachinaesh smotret sovershenno drugimi glazami. V pervuyu ochered nachinaesh cenit vremya i monohronno planiruesh vsyu svoyu jizn, stanovishya ekonomnim i racionalnim. Naprimer uje ne tak radueshsa nezvannim gostyam kak doma v svoe vremya. Nachinaesh ponimat chego hochesh ot jizni i chto dlya tebya v jizni glavnoe. Samoe interesnoe - privikaesh k odinochestvu. No nikogda ne teryaesh svoi cennosti i svoyu sushnost i tem bolee svoi korni. Chelovek, otkazavshiysa ot svoih korney - sposoben perestupat cherez tela.

Naschet togo chto mi drugie, chem oni - a kak vi eshe hoteli? Vse ludi raznie, kulturi raznie, esli po etoi prichine vas ne prinimaut v tom ili inom obshestve eto eshe ne govorit o tom chto nujno sebya menyat. Kak v odnoi pesenke bilo: "ne stoit progibatsa pod izmenchiviy mir, pust luchshe on prognetsa pod nas".

Eto konechno dlya mnogih kulturniy shok, no esli ego tolkom proanalizirovat, produmat i reshit dlya sebya podhodit li mne ono ili net, to vse na samom dele stanovitsa proshe.


well done well done, S_in honim vam pridetsya naverno pisat' kakuuy to knigy like "life in abroad and its + & -" or "My life in abroad", smth like that,, ne malovajnim faktorom yavlyaetsya ---- zarabotivanie, to est to make own money, a e'to otkroet put k nezavicimosti ne tolko v denejnix planax , no i v drugix aspektax jizni.

[StU]

well done well done, S_in honim vam pridetsya naverno pisat' kakuuy to knigy like "life in abroad and its + & -" or "My life in abroad", smth like that,, ne malovajnim faktorom yavlyaetsya ---- zarabotivanie, to est to make own money, a e'to otkroet put k nezavicimosti ne tolko v denejnix planax , no i v drugix aspektax jizni.

zachem mne knigu pisat :P . Ya luchshe otkroyu svou consultingovuyu firmu -
"psychological consulting for people abroad" :lol:
Naschet zarabativaniya - esli chto uje davno ;), let edak s 19.

[Nozenama]

Horijda hammayam o'zgarvurmidi. Ozgarishlarga kese Toshkendayam odamla o'zgarganiga ancha bo'gan. Buni uchun chet elga borish shartmas.

[saturn]

silada qando bo'lgan bilmadimu, lekin o'zimni hayotiy tajribamdan kelib chiqqan holda:
Toshkanda man huddi teplisada o'stirilvotgan niholga o'xshardim. Otam, onam - suyangan tog'im; moliyaviy jihatdan sal qiynalsam - akamga aytaman, darrov yordamlashadila; Univer'dan borishimga kennoyim issu ovqat tayyorlab qo'ygan bo'ladila; kechalari uxlamasdan darsimni qilsam - onam xavotir olib chiqib kelardilar.
To'g'ri - barcha muammolarimni o'zim hal qilardim; lekin, nimadirdi, "podstraxovka" har doim tayyor edi. O'zimga ishonardim, va bir vaqtni o'zida biror ishni bitira olishga unchalik ham ko'zim etmasdi.

Bu erga kelib esa - o'zim o'zim uchun harakat qilishim kerak ekanligimni, har bir qo'yadigan qadamim kelajagimga o'zining katta ta'sirini o'tkazishi mumkinligini, dunyoning aslida qanday ekanligini, hayot "shamollari" gohida juda kuchli va sovuq bo'lishini, va o'zbegimning PALOVi bilan Onam tandirda yopgan qaynoqqina NONdan boshqa dunyoda shirin taom yo'q ekanligini anglab etdim..
Yuzingizga kulib turib, oyog'ingizdan chaladigan odamlar ham bor ekanligini bildim..

Xullas shunaqa... Odam o'zgarsin-u, yaxshi tomonga o'zgarsin ekan. Boshqa so'z bilan - "Eski chorig'ini esidan chiqarmasin" ekan.

Hurmat bilan saturn.

[SAMARKANDI!]

Horijda hammayam o'zgarvurmidi. Ozgarishlarga kese Toshkendayam odamla o'zgarganiga ancha bo'gan. Buni uchun chet elga borish shartmas.

in some sense u r right.

The environment (here abroad) in fact does and does not change the person. It just provides the person with all good and bad, useful and harmful, but the choice remains with the person. In other words place and time doesnt really change the person, it simply shows, exposes, or reveals if u will, the REAL who you are. Putting a bit more differently would be; It is all in U waiting for the right time and place.

peace

[Inspiredmind]

zachem mne knigu pisat :P . Ya luchshe otkroyu svou consultingovuyu firmu -
"psychological consulting for people abroad" :lol:
Naschet zarabativaniya - esli chto uje davno ;), let edak s 19.,

vi pravi , zachem mnogo dumat' chtobi pisat' knigy.:D luchshe as u said, consulting firm, to make fast $$$$ , kogda vam bila 19 , nachali zarabotivat'' or i misurderstood you..

[Pythagor]

Biza hamma joyda bir xilmiza lekin, kere bo'sa ispanlaniyam o'zbecha gapirtivorganmiza,...

[StU]

,

vi pravi , zachem mnogo dumat' chtobi pisat' knigy.:D luchshe as u said, consulting firm, to make fast $$$$ , kogda vam bila 19 , nachali zarabotivat'' or i misurderstood you..

ne sovsem, s 19 let ne zavishu finansovo ni ot kogo :D

[Inspiredmind]

ne sovsem, s 19 let ne zavishu finansovo ni ot kogo :D.

Okeyy, S_in honim, tyshynarli.

[laluluya]

xo'roz hammayoda bir hil qichqiradi.o'zgaraman digan odam hich qatga chiqmi o'zini uyidayam o'zgarvuradi.1narsade chet elga chiqdim deb o'zini kimligini qaerdanligini,kimmi bolasiligini esidan chiqarmasligi kere.ato bir hil odamla bor AMREKADA YASHAVOMMAN deb o'zligi o'zbeligini esligidan chiqarib qo'yishadi.bir hil vaqtlada or qilishadi:evil:

[Citizen Dido]

Vsemi zavisim ot okrujaushey sredi v kakoito stepeni ,prosto vse menyayutsya po opredelennim priznakam .I dumayu vse ot tebya,kakuyu lichnost' ti iz sebya predstavlyaesh i vse . Eshe zamechu sil'no i zametno menyayutsya podrostki do 18 let eto uj tochno .
Zdes podrostki s rannih let prinimayut narcotici i eto realnaya katastrofa .Unas eto hot podrostki nemogut nayti tak legko kak v US !

[Guess]

Zdes podrostki s rannih let prinimayut narcotici i eto realnaya katastrofa .Unas eto hot podrostki nemogut nayti tak legko kak v US !

Nashi toje s rannih let nachinayut.
U menya odnokursniki kajdiy den' "kurili" - na peremene. Chto togda govorit o tom, chto na tusovkah tvoritsya. Nayti ne trudno - edinstvennoe chto - deneg mojet ne hvatit (esli do vorovstva eschyo ne uspeli upast'). Togda est' kley.
Afsuski..... ;(

[Guess]

Otnositel'no peremen.... Zametila, chto obijat'sya i kapriznichat' perestala. Ran'she po pobodu i bez povoda obijalas. V domohozyaystve experience poyavilsya. Odinochestvo eschyo bol'she polyubila. Eschyo trudnee stala perenosit peredvijenie moih veschey iz odnogo mesta v drugoe (ne bez maminoy pomoschi). Esli ranshe vsyu svoyu salary na sebya tratila ne zadumivayas - seychas bol'she domoy stala pokupat' vsego raznogo.
Ya schitayu, chto izmenilas ne iz-za togo, chto daleko ot Uzbekistana jila; a iz-za togo, chto jila odna. Tak je bilo bi jivi ya v tom je samom Kazakhstane bez roditeley.

[Han]

chet elda insonning o'zgarishi tabiy xolat...

chet el mundoq tursin, maktabni bitirib o'qishga tushganingizni o'zidayoq 1-2 oyda maktabdagi yoki mahalladagi avvalgi davralardan eski paytlardagidek qoniqish hosil qilmaganini payqaydi odam... bu ham o'zgarganimizning bir ko'rsatkichi... shaxsan student bo'lgan dsatlabki oylarimda eski do'stlarim davrasida ko'p marta siqilganman... sabablaridan biri eski davralardagi saviyaning pastligi...

[Dil]

Musofir bulmaguncha musilmon bulmaysan deyishadi. Lekin , bu yul azobi, qiyin sharoitga tushib esini taniganlarga nisbatan aytilgan, menimcha. Musofirchilikda inson charhlanadi, shakllanadi. Ammo, unchalik taraqqiy etmagan mamlakatdan uta rivojlangan mamlakat hayotiga tushib qolgan odam uzgarishi yoki uzgarmasligi usha odamni uziga bog'liq. Yo odam buladi, yoki odo buladi...

[Prince]

Odam bolganlarni korganman ammo kopchilik RASVO bogan baribir!!! nima disam ekan UZB da yurganga huddi qafas ichida yurganday , bu erga kelib qafasdan chiqib keyib "Uzini yoqotib" qoyganlaram kopde ( UK, USAdagilarnI) nazarda tutvoman....... Mana masalan bitta misol keltiraman , mani bitta tanishim Amerikada 3-4 yil ishlab kelgandan keyin Toshkentda Airportga etib kegandan keyin, Chegarada ushashgan uni, manga telefon boldi bordim.... Borsam xaligi ortogim manga qarab:
"Ty brat im obyasni, u nas tam v AMERIKE......" Uzicha Amerikanec :) yashagan bosa 3-4 yil yashagan , undan keyin nelegal bogan, topgan bosa 20-30K pul topgan!!! Uje Uzbeklaga tepadan qaravotti, yaxshimas! Osha odam POSTimni uqib qosa - XAFA BOMA oshanda uzinga xam etganman shu gappi :)
P.S Spontom pontovatsa qilasan - peshanenga yozib qoyibdi - SAN UZBEK SAN - KIDALASAN - deb !!


Musofir bulmaguncha musilmon bulmaysan deyishadi. Lekin , bu yul azobi, qiyin sharoitga tushib esini taniganlarga nisbatan aytilgan, menimcha. Musofirchilikda inson charhlanadi, shakllanadi. Ammo, unchalik taraqqiy etmagan mamlakatdan uta rivojlangan mamlakat hayotiga tushib qolgan odam uzgarishi yoki uzgarmasligi usha odamni uziga bog'liq. Yo odam buladi, yoki odo buladi...

[Citizen Dido]

Mi uzbeki i ochen silno otlichaemsya po vospitaniyu,vazglyadam,jizni naprimer ot amerikancev.No slojno bit takim kakim yavlayeshsya esli vse vokrug drugie.
Tak naskolko je menyayemsya mi za predelami rodini???


Eshe kak otlichaemsya ot nih . V kakihto chertah proishodit izmeneniya v mentalitete,vo vzglyadah na jizn ,no ya nedumayu chto mi doljni tut zabivat pro svoyu kul'turu ,nacional'nie obryadi .Umenya est drug Evrei po nacional'nosti ,tak kak ya ego tovarish on priglashaet menya na bol'shie prazdniki .I kajdiy raz ya udivlyayus nu evreichiki hot' ne v Israele to jivut kak doma so vsemi tradiciyami i razgovarivayut na Ivrite ,da vse mojete skazat' chto America- Jewnaited States of America :) ne protiv noi est' drugie narodi kotorie projivayut.

Pochemu mi doljni zabivat' svoy rodnoy yazik ,nashi predki obshalis na etom yazike.Chestno govarya mne inogda ochen stidno kogda vstrechayu zemlyaka i otradosti startuyu boltat' na uzbekskom a on/ona otvechaet na russkom :) Vnachale bilo smeshno,govaril prosebya hot' na angliyskom ne nachal/a boltat' so mnoyu :)) tipa "V blatnie V" uje ,vo urodi ,ya vaabshe upal bi navernyaka!

Odnako sushestvuyut i ponyatlivie klassnie Uzbeki za granicey ,slavo bogu !
Kotorie regulyarno sobirayutsya i delayut Superskie Ploveshniki nyam nyam :)

[Citizen Dido]

P.S Spontom pontovatsa qilasan - peshanenga yozib qoyibdi - SAN UZBEK SAN - KIDALASAN - deb !![/QUOTE]


lekin bunaqalarga duchor bulmadim ,hali..

[Citizen Dido]

Otnositel'no peremen.... Zametila, chto obijat'sya i kapriznichat' perestala. Ran'she po pobodu i bez povoda obijalas. V domohozyaystve experience poyavilsya. Odinochestvo eschyo bol'she polyubila. Eschyo trudnee stala perenosit peredvijenie moih veschey iz odnogo mesta v drugoe (ne bez maminoy pomoschi). Esli ranshe vsyu svoyu salary na sebya tratila ne zadumivayas - seychas bol'she domoy stala pokupat' vsego raznogo.
Ya schitayu, chto izmenilas ne iz-za togo, chto daleko ot Uzbekistana jila; a iz-za togo, chto jila odna. Tak je bilo bi jivi ya v tom je samom Kazakhstane bez roditeley.



Uj bol'no znakomie jiznennie situacii .

[zanjir]

Odam bolganlarni korganman ammo kopchilik RASVO bogan baribir!!! nima disam ekan UZB da yurganga huddi qafas ichida yurganday , bu erga kelib qafasdan chiqib keyib "Uzini yoqotib" qoyganlaram kopde ( UK, USAdagilarnI) nazarda tutvoman....... Mana masalan bitta misol keltiraman , mani bitta tanishim Amerikada 3-4 yil ishlab kelgandan keyin Toshkentda Airportga etib kegandan keyin, Chegarada ushashgan uni, manga telefon boldi bordim.... Borsam xaligi ortogim manga qarab:
"Ty brat im obyasni, u nas tam v AMERIKE......" Uzicha Amerikanec :) yashagan bosa 3-4 yil yashagan , undan keyin nelegal bogan, topgan bosa 20-30K pul topgan!!! Uje Uzbeklaga tepadan qaravotti, yaxshimas! Osha odam POSTimni uqib qosa - XAFA BOMA oshanda uzinga xam etganman shu gappi :)
P.S Spontom pontovatsa qilasan - peshanenga yozib qoyibdi - SAN UZBEK SAN - KIDALASAN - deb !!
bilmadimu mana shu postizga hicham qoshilgim kemadi!
uzbekman lekin shu paitgacha ozbekni shaniga dog'tushirmadim!
qatta yashagan yoki ishlagan bolishimdan qatiy nazar boshliqlarim doim rozi bolishgan.
1 boshlig'im ketvokkanimda checkdan tashqari qolimga pul ham bergan man bilan ishlaganing uchun rahmat deb, ana osha yerda mandan kegin 3 ta ozbek 2 yil ichida ishladi nimaga? chunki man ozbekeni shaniga dog tushirmadim oshanchun.
2 boshlig'im ham tavsiya qilgan ozbek bollarni hech ikkilanmasdan olgan mandan kegin.
3 boshligim hozir qoyvormayapti ketaman desam, orningga tuzik bola topasan deb turvogan.
a siz chegaradagi bolgan voqeaga kelsak bu osha bolani ozini tabiatidan kelib chiqqan holda roy bergan.
30K ishlab bunchalik qilmasligi kerak edi, odam sal fikrlashi kerak biror ishni qilishdan oldin. hissiyotga berilsa oziga yomon, chunki chegarada turgan akalar bilan oynashilmaydi, vaholanki muomala qilinadi.
man aminmanki u yosh bola bolgan oilab oilamasdan ish tutgan.
toshkentda institutta oqib yurganimda ham anu betayin bollar bolardi ozimni kursdoshim ham shunaqa edi(sochini ostirib, rang barang mantiqsiz kiyinadiganlar). koproq odamga bog'liq boladi millatga emas. Uzbdan chetga chiqqanlarning kopchiligi yoshlar shuning uchun ularda tashqi muhitga nisbatan moyillik kuchliroq bu bilan hamma ozbeklarimizni kidalasan deyolmaymiz ahir!

[oltiariq]

Odam bolganlarni korganman ammo kopchilik RASVO bogan baribir!!! nima disam ekan UZB da yurganga huddi qafas ichida yurganday , bu erga kelib qafasdan chiqib keyib "Uzini yoqotib" qoyganlaram kopde ( UK, USAdagilarnI) nazarda tutvoman....... Mana masalan bitta misol keltiraman , mani bitta tanishim Amerikada 3-4 yil ishlab kelgandan keyin Toshkentda Airportga etib kegandan keyin, Chegarada ushashgan uni, manga telefon boldi bordim.... Borsam xaligi ortogim manga qarab:
"Ty brat im obyasni, u nas tam v AMERIKE......" Uzicha Amerikanec :) yashagan bosa 3-4 yil yashagan , undan keyin nelegal bogan, topgan bosa 20-30K pul topgan!!! Uje Uzbeklaga tepadan qaravotti, yaxshimas! Osha odam POSTimni uqib qosa - XAFA BOMA oshanda uzinga xam etganman shu gappi :)
P.S Spontom pontovatsa qilasan - peshanenga yozib qoyibdi - SAN UZBEK SAN - KIDALASAN - deb !!

shununing uchun uzbeklarda, kurmaganni kurgani qursin deb aytiladida

[inDecision]

Manam faqat shu eee o'zbekla kidala, o'zimizanikiladan nariroq yur dib eshitaman...lekin nimagaligini hich chunaolmiman, balki hali unaqa og'zim kuymaganligidandir
on: uzim 2 ta holatni kurdim o'zgarish buyicha: biri salbiy biri ijobiy
salbiy: bitta bola bor, toshkendan bu yerda 1,5 - 2 yildan beri yuribdi...7chi osmonda uchib yuribdi"vot zdes tak klassno, v tashkente che tama, zdes u menya ucheba, rabota, mashina...t.d i t.p" gaplaridan umuman mantiq yuq
ijobiy: qizlani bilardim, toshkenda yurishardi adasini pulini sarflab, har kuni turlanib, tuslanib, odam ajratib...kelganiga ko'p bumadi, lekin shunaqa ponyatkaga kep qolishibdi, ko'zlari ochilibdi, muomala juda uzgargan ana endi ula bilan odam gaplashsa mazza qiladi...

[Vector]

odam chetelga chiqsa holasayam holamasayam ozgararkan.
manam kordim kimdur ijobiy kimdur salbiy tarafga siljigan, nima bosayam qancha topishidan , nechi yildan beri turishidan qatiy nazar, Ozbekiston ming dabdala bosayam ota onasi qarindosh dostlari ushatta, ozini yoqotishi keremas, ozligini bilib yursa olam guliston, hezalaga ohshab yurmasdan, qiganini qilib ortirib tortib usha kegan joyiga qaytib borsa Ozbekistongayam yahshi, vsyotaki ancha muncha hayot korib tajriba yegib vatanga azgina bosayam hissasini qoshib boradi....

[Tihon Alekseich]

Postupayu kak xochu. Soveti slushayu, no reshayu ya! Nikto ne mojet ukazat' mne chto delat'.
;)

И таким макаром доползете до того дня когда будете рвать волосы из за своих детей.
Ибо сказано в книге: Поступаешь как хочешь - твое дело. Однако будь готова к тому дню когда твоё чадо расплатиться с тобою той же монетой.

не хорошо это дочка.

не надо рваться от общества нашего.

[Pythagor]

И таким макаром доползете до того дня когда будете рвать волосы из за своих детей.
Ибо сказано в книге: Поступаешь как хочешь - твое дело. Однако будь готова к тому дню когда твоё чадо расплатиться с тобою той же монетой.

не хорошо это дочка.

не надо рваться от общества нашего.

otkuda ty vzyalsa umnik nash.
Ibo skazano v knige: ne sudi ne sudimym budesh.
chto iegova chtoli?

[Tihon Alekseich]

otkuda ty vzyalsa umnik nash.
Ibo skazano v knige: ne sudi ne sudimym budesh.
chto iegova chtoli?

Спасибо за комплимент.

Я по натуре мирный старче. Люблю ставить на путь истинный. Не сужу а цитирую. А вы батя чьих будете? Борода ваша больно знакома.

[Inspiredmind]

Спасибо за комплимент.

Я по натуре мирный старче. Люблю ставить на путь истинный. Не сужу а цитирую. А вы батя чьих будете? Борода ваша больно знакома.

daaa..., Mr. T. Alekseich, cmotryu, umeet bukvami upravlyat'', delo tolko horosoe...:D

[dauphin]

Let them do what they wanna do, why do you care? Maybe they like this style, maybe they are comfortable with this style, maybe that makes their life easier for them, WHY DO YOU CARE ?

Giybatga uhshedi ))

[VatanparvaR]

Odam chet elga chiqsa so'zsiz o'zgaradi va shu muxitga moslashadi. Buni o'zimizni forumdan ham bilsa bo'ladi.

Masalan,Yaponiya, Koreayadagi userlarga romantika yuqqan, postlariga qarasangiz baribir seziladi :)

Germaniyadgi userlarning postlariga qarasangiz, romantika kamroq va kesib gapirishadi, bo'ldi gap tamom :)

A, USdagi userlarimizga esa, kak vsegda po vigu :lol:

[Pythagor]

tugri gapni ettiz :D

[NuR_BeK]

Albatta inson chetga chiqsa taffakkur oz bo'lsada o'zgaradi, bu bo'lishi kerak bo'lgan narsa. Odam chetga chiqib boshqalarni oyoq uchi bilan ko'rsatadigan bo'lib qolishi to'g'risida bahs yuratadigan bo'lsak, Azyaka xonim savolni sal umumiy tashlagan bo'ladilar.
Shu Uzbda ham chetda ham o'ziligini saqlab qolgan, barchani hurmatini joyiga avval qanday qo'ygan bo'lsa hozir ham shundaylarga hurmatim baland-da.

[Akademik]

Albatta o'zvaradi. Va o'zgarish menimcha juda yahshi agar ijobiy tomonga bo'lsa albatta.

[Arhimed]

Trudno skazat, no menyaemsa odnoznachno. Samostoyatelnost otkladivaet otpechatok otvetstvennosti i na mnogie veshi nachinaesh smotret sovershenno drugimi glazami. V pervuyu ochered nachinaesh cenit vremya i monohronno planiruesh vsyu svoyu jizn, stanovishya ekonomnim i racionalnim. Naprimer uje ne tak radueshsa nezvannim gostyam kak doma v svoe vremya. Nachinaesh ponimat chego hochesh ot jizni i chto dlya tebya v jizni glavnoe. Samoe interesnoe - privikaesh k odinochestvu. No nikogda ne teryaesh svoi cennosti i svoyu sushnost i tem bolee svoi korni. Chelovek, otkazavshiysa ot svoih korney - sposoben perestupat cherez tela.

Naschet togo chto mi drugie, chem oni - a kak vi eshe hoteli? Vse ludi raznie, kulturi raznie, esli po etoi prichine vas ne prinimaut v tom ili inom obshestve eto eshe ne govorit o tom chto nujno sebya menyat. Kak v odnoi pesenke bilo: "ne stoit progibatsa pod izmenchiviy mir, pust luchshe on prognetsa pod nas".

Eto konechno dlya mnogih kulturniy shok, no esli ego tolkom proanalizirovat, produmat i reshit dlya sebya podhodit li mne ono ili net, to vse na samom dele stanovitsa proshe.

fikringizga qoshilaman, tasir bor buni rad etib bo'lmaydi