Should Gays and Lesbians be allowed to Adopt Children?

[dauphin]

I read Mrs Reaper's thread about adoption. It is secret now more and more countries are legalizing homosexual marriage. As you know it is practically impossible to have child in homosexual families. So, should they be allowed to adopt child. Just your personal opinion.

[dauphin]

In USA researchs show that the total number of children living with at least one gay parent ranges from six to 14 million.

[hojiaka]

God Created Adam and Eve not Adam and Steve

[Пушкарева]

It is practically possible to have a child in the kind of marriage. In my office, there is a gay girl (black), she has a partner (white) and they have a son. When I asked whose is he, she replied they got a black man's sperm and her g/f actually bore the child. Same is possible with gay men. They can get a surrogate mother.

PS: i did not get the second option for a choice.

[PainKiller]

As long as a person can and is willing to give love, care and attention to a child it does not matter if he/she is gay or straight. Who has nerves to argue that for a child having a gay but loving parent is better than leaving him behind in the shelter or an orphanage?
People who conduct and responsible for putting children in families should care more of a criminal and mental background and parenting skills of the parents, than of what they do at night in their bedroom.
here is another question:
Should people who enjoy anal sex be allowed to adopt?

[ElNemo]

1) uffff

2) no, gays and lesbians should not be allowed to have children. try using your reasoning - children are born from heterosexual parents, i.e. a normal man and a normal woman.

so if a wo/man is not straight, why should he be allowed to adopt/have children like normal ppl do? I mean are you not putting ME - a straight - in the same level with THEM?! Haven't we heard from them very selves that gays will rape at least 100 women if they wouldn't be allowed to parade in Jerusalem??? I mean they gotta choose, either be straight or bear the consequences of your choice (!).

Stone...

[PainKiller]

1) uffff

2) no, gays and lesbians should not be allowed to have children. try using your reasoning - children are born from heterosexual parents, i.e. a normal man and a normal woman.

so if a wo/man is not straight, why should he be allowed to adopt/have children like normal ppl do? I mean are you not putting ME - a straight - in the same level with THEM?! Haven't we heard from them very selves that gays will rape at least 100 women if they wouldn't be allowed to parade in Jerusalem??? I mean they gotta choose, either be straight or bear the consequences of your choice (!).

Stone...

I think it is time to think of providing forum.uz users with free paper bags for throwing up after reading posts like this.
Should we go on a strike and demand our right for paper bags??!!!:rolleyes:

[Guess]

Ya slishkom staromodnaya i otnoshus' k etomu otrisatelno.
Hotya na to, chtobi dve jenschini imeli takie prava - smotryu spokoyno. Dvoe mujchin.... Hm.....
Dobav'te v poll varianti: 1. Gays and 2. Lesbians

[dauphin]

so if a wo/man is not straight, why should he be allowed to adopt/have children like normal ppl do?

Stone...

I will give you some reasons try them.
- the children of lesbian and gay parents grow up as successfully as the children of heterosexual parents. In fact, not a single study has found the children of lesbian or gay parents to be disadvantaged because of their parents' sexual orientation. Other key findings include:
-There is no evidence to suggest that lesbians and gay men are unfit to be parents
- Home environments with lesbian and gay parents are as likely to successfully support a child's development as those with heterosexual parents.
- Good parenting is not influenced by sexual orientation. Rather, it is influenced most profoundly by a parent's ability to create a loving and nurturing home -- an ability that does not depend on whether a parent is gay or straight.
-There is no evidence to suggest that the children of lesbian and gay parents are less intelligent, suffer from more problems, are less popular, or have lower self-esteem than children of heterosexual parents.
- The children of lesbian and gay parents grow up as happy, healthy and well-adjusted as the children of heterosexual parents.
p.s that is not my opinion. That is what researchers say.

[Пушкарева]

kstati, a eto uje diskriminaciya :)

If seriously, two men can be as responsible parents as two women.


Ya slishkom staromodnaya i otnoshus' k etomu otrisatelno.
Hotya na to, chtobi dve jenschini imeli takie prava - smotryu spokoyno. Dvoe mujchin.... Hm.....
Dobav'te v poll varianti: 1. Gays and 2. Lesbians

[Guess]

kstati, a eto uje diskriminaciya :)

If seriously, two men can be as responsible parents as two women.

Mne, navernoe, prosto trudno predstavit' takih mujchin.
Elton John so svoey "jenoy"?

[PainKiller]

Welcome beck, PK :)

Thank you, thank you.
Well, those who claim those who engage in heterosexual intercourse are normal and those who have homosexual relationships are abnormal or lower class, should not forget that ALL those kids abandoned in the shelters, streets and orphanages were MADE by those people to whom u address as "normal" heterosexual couples.
I c it this way, there are heterosexual animals who make kids and do not want to keep them, and gay people are willing to have them and raise them and u r telling me they should not be allowed to do so?
hmmmmmm...

[Unique]

Let's say they adopt a child.... How the child will call her dad if his parents are lesbians :rolleyes: :rolleyes: smth like dad, or Mommies..:rolleyes: and vv.
Is he gonna be accepted in the community...for example, his friends ask him about his parents and he says that he has 2 Daddies, or 2 Moms :rolleyes:
That's sort of weird to think about :?
I voted "NO"

[Пушкарева]

There should not be any societal problems in the countries that actually allow the sort of adoption. Probably, the countries would be (or are) the US or Netherlands, and not Uzb or KG legitimizing gays' adoption. In such countries, society is mainly ok with gays/lesbians and their kids do not experience any peer harassment.


I think, kids of the couples call their both parents either "mom" or "dad".

Let's say they adopt a child.... How the child will call her dad if his parents are lesbians :rolleyes: :rolleyes: smth like dad, or Mommies..:rolleyes: and vv.
Is he gonna be accepted in the community...for example, his friends ask him about his parents and he says that he has 2 Daddies, or 2 Moms :rolleyes:
That's sort of weird to think about :?
I voted "NO"

[Guess]

There should not be any societal problems in the countries that actually allow the sort of adoption. Probably, the countries would be (or are) the US or Netherlands, and not Uzb or KG legitimizing gays' adoption. In such countries, society is mainly ok with gays/lesbians and their kids do not experience any peer harassment.


I think, kids of the couples call their both parents either "mom" or "dad".

Na samom dele, nashemu obschestvu eschyo daleko do etogo :(
Roditeli, sami togo ne jelaya, sdelayut detey izgoyami.

[erkak#1]

Gay marriage & adoption is only needed in India and China! :lool: :lool: :lool:

1 milliarddan oshib ketishdi... :lool: :lool: :lool:

[Unique]

There should not be any societal problems in the countries that actually allow the sort of adoption. Probably, the countries would be (or are) the US or Netherlands, and not Uzb or KG legitimizing gays' adoption. In such countries, society is mainly ok with gays/lesbians and their kids do not experience any peer harassment.


I think, kids of the couples call their both parents either "mom" or "dad".

How about in Holland? :lol:
Maybe it's another type of cultural difference or even the modern culture of the US or other gay/lesbian accepted countries.

[referee]

No way, they should not be allowed, full stop. Chidren have rights too.

[referee]

As long as a person can and is willing to give love, care and attention to a child it does not matter if he/she is gay or straight.

It does matter. The type and style of "love and care" depends on the character and nature of a person. That is why a serial killer would not be allowed to adopt a child. And gay people should not be allowed to adopt for the same reason as well.

Who has nerves to argue that for a child having a gay but loving parent is better than leaving him behind in the shelter or an orphanage?

I have a nerve to argue against this point! You think gay people are not picky about their adopted children, or you think they take disabled and afflicted children? They do choose children! Moreover, if gays want to convey their love to those children they can sponsor and fund those orphanages rather than trying to "own" them. It's not about care of a child, but a selfish and sometimes political goals that make those gays to adopt children.
The next thing ultra-libertarians will want us to allow paedophiles to adopt children, as long as they "love and care" for children:twisted:


Should people who enjoy anal sex be allowed to adopt?

How is this relevant:rolleyes:

[The Reaper]

It does matter. The type and style of "love and care" depends on the character and nature of a person. That is why a serial killer would not be allowed to adopt a child. And gay people should not be allowed to adopt for the same reason as well.

Putting a comparison mark between a homosexual, and a serial killer is really pushing it too far.

Gays are not criminals just because they happen to be born with sexual preference different than that of others'. Homosexuality has long been scratched as a psychological disorder by American Psychological Association, I think in 1970's. Those who made this decision were professionals who, unlike you and I, spent their lifetime on research, and practical experience with major psychological disorders.



I have a nerve to argue against this point! You think gay people are not picky about their adopted children, or you think they take disabled and afflicted children? They do choose children! Moreover, if gays want to convey their love to those children they can sponsor and fund those orphanages rather than trying to "own" them. It's not about care of a child, but a selfish and sometimes political goals that make those gays to adopt children.

So you're saying that gays are somehow automatically deprived of feelings of love and empathy? Besides, each act of adoption has selfish reasons regardless of sexual orientation of adopters.

The next thing ultra-libertarians will want us to allow paedophiles to adopt children, as long as they "love and care" for children:twisted:

On top of it being illegal, pedophilia, unlike homosexuality, is considered a mental disorder.

How is this relevant:rolleyes:

It's as relevant as you bringing up serial killers and pedophiles into the subject. ;)
Besides, what she's saying is that individual's sexual preference in itself is not a cause for persecution as long as it doesn't include having sex with minors, raping women, and other sick sh*t. At least not in civilized societies.

TR

P.S. Seriously, I can never understand this homophobia. If a guy wants to be a raging ass pirate and have consensual relationships with another man, let him be! It's not like they are forcing you to sleep with them!

[infolife]

aqlli normalniyla bolani qilib qoyib tashab ketganda shu gay-lesbianlardan mehr chiqib boqib olmoqchi bolsa maqtovga loyiq emasmi
men juftlikni gay-lesbianligidan kora ularni qanchalik ota-onalikka committed va responsible ekanligini tekshirishga koproq etibor berardim.

[Demir Kağan]

They are human, too. Why not if they can do it really good? But the child must be from the other gender, or else... :rolleyes:

[referee]

Putting a comparison mark between a homosexual, and a serial killer is really pushing it too far.

The comparison is of the principle, not between the two groups. It was to show that someone who's deemed to be of unsuitable character is not usually allowed to adopt children. I refer gays to unsuitable character in this regard too. And this is not pushing it too far IMHO.

Gays are not criminals just because they happen to be born with sexual preference different than that of others'. Homosexuality has long been scratched as a psychological disorder by American Psychological Association, I think in 1970's. Those who made this decision were professionals who, unlike you and I, spent their lifetime on research, and practical experience with major psychological disorders.

Well, I would dispute this. Just because homosexuality has become an acceptible style in USA due to the political lobbying of homosexuals, does not make it universally acceptable. And I'm not referring to homosexuality as a scientifically proven psychological disorder, but a social and human disorder.


So you're saying that gays are somehow automatically deprived of feelings of love and empathy? Besides, each act of adoption has selfish reasons regardless of sexual orientation of adopters.

I don't really care if they have feelings or not, I guess they do. But does a possession of a feeling of love qualify automatically for adoption? No.


On top of it being illegal, pedophilia, unlike homosexuality, is considered a mental disorder.

This is my point: pedophilia is illegal for now in US and Europe. I bet it'll change soon. And when it will become acceptible in those societies they will claim their rights to marriage to children or adoption too...

wll reply later on, now have to go

[Magnolia]

This topic is very debatable...
For one,I think it is better for a child to live with parents who love and support him (no matter of their sexual orientation) and two,why do you think gays and lesbians shouldn't be allowed to adopt?:rolleyes: If they can provide care,love and support then I think they should be allowed to adopt...It is better for the child to live in a family where he/she is loved and not yelled/forgotten/beaten by his biological "normal" parents or in foster care family...:rolleyes:

[Maroon]

Yes, Ja, Si, Ha, Da, Oui.

[Ulug'bek]

I read Mrs Reaper's thread about adoption. It is secret now more and more countries are legalizing homosexual marriage. As you know it is practically impossible to have child in homosexual families. So, should they be allowed to adopt child. Just your personal opinion.

No, because that would violate every child's right to grow in a normal human environment. The environment described here is an exceptonal and not a normal one. Children's right must be protected!

[referee]

Sorry had to dash off, so let's carry on:

On top of it being illegal, pedophilia, unlike homosexuality, is considered a mental disorder.

We are not talking about illegality of a homosexual act, but of homosexuals' rights to adopt. THese are different things. But even if we follow your proposition, then most would agree that homosexuality is a disorder, but treated as an acceptable one in some countries, and unacceptible in others.

It's as relevant as you bringing up serial killers and pedophiles into the subject. ;)

Don't think so: we are discussing if it's acceptible for those people, practising socially unsuitable life-style, to adopt children - that's a social issue, while talking about a certain sexual act is a matter of private preference. When you adopt a child, social care people don't care what you do in bed, but they'd be concerned about your life-style and general character...


Besides, what she's saying is that individual's sexual preference in itself is not a cause for persecution as long as it doesn't include having sex with minors, raping women, and other sick sh*t. At least not in civilized societies.

But who says so? Who draws the line between sick sh*t and acceptable stuff???? A bunch of people in the US and EU?
It seemed what rules such "civilized societies" is money! If gays become commercially and socially active, then suddenly even churches rush to overlook their sacred books to get their cash donations:rolleyes: If they become more powerful in media and art, then suddenly movies and books start saying "it's OK to be gay". When gays get bored with their previously prohibited open practice of homosexuality, then they want to "build families" and adopt children.

My question is where do you draw a line? And why should those who disagree with that "line" accept those new rules as "civilised"?


P.S. Seriously, I can never understand this homophobia. If a guy wants to be a raging ass pirate and have consensual relationships with another man, let him be! It's not like they are forcing you to sleep with them!

TR, I'm no homophobe - I am not scared of them nor do I hate them. I know gay guys and girls, and no problems of communication, as long as they keep it to themselves and don't bother me with their affliction.
I don't care what they do to each other, it's between them and their God. But I do care when they start imposing their rules of the game to the society where I am part of as well! I have a right to fight their amorality as much they try to fight my morality! Is this a fair point or not?

[Maknun]

Sorry had to dash off, so let's carry on:

We are not talking about illegality of a homosexual act, but of homosexuals' rights to adopt. THese are different things. But even if we follow your proposition, then most would agree that homosexuality is a disorder, but treated as an acceptable one in some countries, and unacceptible in others.

Don't think so: we are discussing if it's acceptible for those people, practising socially unsuitable life-style, to adopt children - that's a social issue, while talking about a certain sexual act is a matter of private preference. When you adopt a child, social care people don't care what you do in bed, but they'd be concerned about your life-style and general character...

But who says so? Who draws the line between sick sh*t and acceptable stuff???? A bunch of people in the US and EU?
It seemed what rules such "civilized societies" is money! If gays become commercially and socially active, then suddenly even churches rush to overlook their sacred books to get their cash donations:rolleyes: If they become more powerful in media and art, then suddenly movies and books start saying "it's OK to be gay". When gays get bored with their previously prohibited open practice of homosexuality, then they want to "build families" and adopt children.

My question is where do you draw a line? And why should those who disagree with that "line" accept those new rules as "civilised"?

TR, I'm no homophobe - I am not scared of them nor do I hate them. I know gay guys and girls, and no problems of communication, as long as they keep it to themselves and don't bother me with their affliction.
I don't care what they do to each other, it's between them and their God. But I do care when they start imposing their rules of the game to the society where I am part of as well! I have a right to fight their amorality as much they try to fight my morality! Is this a fair point or not?

Disagree. Have a look at the findings in The Kinsey Reports on Human Sexual Behaviour (1948):

Probably the most widely cited part of the Kinsey Reports regard the prevalence of different sexual orientations — especially to support a claim that 10% of the population are gay. In fact, the findings are not so straightforward, and Kinsey himself avoided and disapproved of using terms like homosexual or heterosexual to describe individuals, asserting that sexuality is prone to change over time, and that sexual behavior can be understood both as physical contact as well as purely psychic phenomena (desire, sexual attraction, fantasy).Instead of three categories (heterosexual, bisexual and homosexual), an eight-category system was used. The Kinsey scale ranked sexual behavior from 0 to 6, with 0 being completely heterosexual and 6 completely homosexual. An additional category X was created for those who experienced no sexual desire.

0 Exclusively heterosexual
1 Predominantly heterosexual, only incidentally homosexual
2 Predominantly heterosexual, but more than incidentally homosexual
3 Equally heterosexual and homosexual
4 Predominantly homosexual, but more than incidentally heterosexual
5 Predominantly homosexual, only incidentally heterosexual
6 Exclusively homosexual

Introducing the scale, Kinsey wrote:

“ Males (and females) do not represent two discrete populations, heterosexual and homosexual. The world is not to be divided into sheep and goats. It is a fundamental of taxonomy that nature rarely deals with discrete categories... The living world is a continuum in each and every one of its aspects..."

The reports also state that nearly 46% (!) of the male subjects had "reacted" sexually to persons of both sexes in the course of their adult lives, and 37% (!) had at least one homosexual experience.

On: I voted Yes.

[referee]

Disagree. Have a look at the findings in The Kinsey Reports on Human Sexual Behaviour (1948):


WOW. Now Kinsey Report has become a universal textbook of social sexuality, and a mainstream source of information after just one hollywood film on him:rolleyes:

Kinsey's research has many flaws and critiques, and it is far from an accurate source. For example, would you agree with the following weird Kinsey's assertion (sorry for explicit content):
"In the Kinsey Reports are data concerning pre-adolescent orgasms. Particularly controversial are tables 30 through 34 of the male volume. For example, table 34 is, "Examples of multiple orgasm in pre-adolescent males. Some instances of higher frequencies." A typical entry indicates that a certain 7 year-old had seven orgasms in a three hour time period.
the same source:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kinsey_Reports

Should we now conclude that 7 year olds must be entitled to multiple orgasms:)


Moreover, Kinsey did his research in the US, and the US is not the whole of the humanity!!! So how can you extrapolate his work to the whole world??? give me a break, pls...

[Aziz]

I will not tolerate such a thing if I was in charge. That's awful :dead: .

[melo]

No, because that would violate every child's right to grow in a normal human environment. The environment described here is an exceptonal and not a normal one. Children's right must be protected!

Where is this perfect world you live in? If the kids is up for adoption I think he has already been deprived of this right. My opinion is that it is obviously not the best possible scenario. Everyone should have two loving parents that created them. Unfortunately people are evil (or other circumstances) and they ruin the situation. I do believe someone needs to take care of children and this is better than an orphanage or abandonment.

This is my point: pedophilia is illegal for now in US and Europe. I bet it'll change soon. And when it will become acceptible in those societies they will claim their rights to marriage to children or adoption too...


:shock: I think we are voting on that one this week. :lol: Muder and rape is also on the list of things we might change from crimes to normal behavior. Let's not get carried away here. :rolleyes:

[referee]

:shock: I think we are voting on that one this week. :lol: Muder and rape is also on the list of things we might change from crimes to normal behavior. Let's not get carried away here. :rolleyes:

Hope you are right, but you may be wrong;) Check this article on the political activism of pedophils:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_pedophile_activism

sorry for a slight off-top...

[StU]

An interesting question for those who justify homosexuals: will you tolerate if your child becomes gay/lesbi/perverse?

[Glance]

Since I am against homosexuals, I don't think they should be given the right to adopt children, because they will bring them up just like themselves(homosexuals).

[Frida]

Its fine with me. I do not care who adopts a child, most importantly she/he should be surrounded with love and care. Sexuality is not contagious, if kids have homesexual parents it doesn't mean they grow up homosexual or vice versa - heterosexuals' kids can be homosexual. Most importantly kids should be protected from some child molesters and other type of sick people. Other than that, who cares if the kid have two dadys or two mommies, most importantly she or he is happy and healthy.

[Gareeb]

Mutlaqo qarshiman.Axloqi buzuq odamlarga murg'ak ,beg'ubor bolakaylarning tarbiyasini ishonib topshirib bo'lmaydi.Fitrati buzuq odamlardan tarbiya ko'rgan boladan yaxshilik chiqishi dargumon.Qush inida ko'rganini qiladi.

[melo]

I will write this again like I did in the other thread about adoption. What is better? Having children that nobody loves or supports? Or having people who want to take care of them? The reason people grow up with no values and become problems for society is because nobody wanted them or took care of them as children (usually). I find it very hard to believe and sick actually that you support abandoning children rather than having gay parents.

[SmIlIk]

...Yet, I think real/ balanced family consist of female mother and a male father. I am not trying to pass a judgment on anyone. Just what i think...


SMLK

[Maroon]

An interesting question for those who justify homosexuals: will you tolerate if your child becomes gay/lesbi/perverse?

Of course I would. It is my blood and flesh. Kak mojno otkazatsya ot svoego rebenka esli on takim rodilsya? I do not have any problem with my child becoming lesbian or gay. To me, it is important that my child is healthy, smart and a good hearted person not if/she bangs the same sex. I think it is much more painful for children not to be accepted by parents for what they are which I think is a very traumatizing experience for both parents and children, which can destroy an entire family.

Perverse??? What are you talking about??? The word pervert can be applied to heterosexuals as well. So please, elaborate on this a bit more.

[Prince]

I dont consider Lesbians and Gays as the HUMAN, so they CAN NOT adopt kids!

[Maroon]

I dont consider Lesbians and Gays as the HUMAN, so they CAN NOT adopt kids!

Are they aliens? Which Planet? You just made a scientific opening. Have you thought of working for NASA? I am sure your information would be useful for them and they could interview all homosexuals and find out which planet they are from. Let us know.

As far as I understand from what you are saying is that homosexuals are sick people, correct? So then are schizophrenics also not human???

P.S I always wondered why they look greenish and have those big eyes. :lol: Now I know, they are not HUMAN!!!! WOW! Thanks for opening my eyes!

[Prince]

Are they aliens? Which Planet? You just made a scientific opening. Have you thought of working for NASA? I am sure your information would be useful for them and they could interview all homosexuals and find out which planet they are from. Let us know.

As far as I understand from what you are saying is that homosexuals are sick people, correct? So then are schizophrenics also not human???

P.S I always wondered why they look greenish and have those big eyes. :lol: Now I know, they are not HUMAN!!!! WOW! Thanks for opening my eyes!

Well , let me correct myself ,
Maybe they are human , you are right!! but SICK ppl , how can you trust kids to sick ppl? you cant , so they cannot adopt kids! There is no way you can give a chance to adopt kids to sick ppl!! :rolleyes:

[Temur]

Nooooooooooooooo!!!!

[UzbekGirlie]

Well , let me correct myself ,
Maybe they are human , you are right!! but SICK ppl , how can you trust kids to sick ppl? you cant , so they cannot adopt kids! There is no way you can give a chance to adopt kids to sick ppl!! :rolleyes:

I think may be you are sick for judging others based on their sexual orientation. I think judging people based on their sexual orientation is not only stupid and close minded thing to do, but thinking that you would rather have children abandoned than have a loving is what scares me. Most children dont care as long as they have loving home and they are happy... And i think if you are a normal human being, as you say you are, than all you would want is for those children to be happy.

[Prince]

God created Adam and Eve , God does not created Adam+Adam or Eve+Eve
He created formula for all human!!! ( MALE + FEMALE) So it should be same for all of us!!!! END OF STORY!!!

[UzbekGirlie]

God created Adam and Eve , God does not created Adam+Adam or Eve+Eve
He created formula for all human!!! ( MALE + FEMALE) So it should be same for all of us!!!! END OF STORY!!!

And you are GOD cause you seem to know what he has created and intended. Remember he also gave us a brain to think with and an opportunity to make a choice.

[Prince]

I am not GOD!!!! but GOD made it clear to all of us and told us why he created us and what we suppose to do!!!
The brain what we have, needs to be used for other purposes rather then giving equal rights to homosexuals,
Cheers,

[Vector]

gays/lesbians should not spread/influence their morals to adopted children, we don't want more gays/lesbians (yahshi gap bor: qush inida korgan narsani qiladi digan)...
i would rather for sponsoring those children by them.

[referee]

on the subject: IN Scotland gay people are angry at adoption "bias":shock:
Soon it may be illegal to discriminate against gay people in adoption cases. Bloody hell, how progressive and "civilised".
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,2090-2460522,00.html

friends, lets' learn from mistakes of other countries, and before crying out that it's OK for gays to adopt children please consider consequencies of such a scenario! In Europe, I am sure soon they will have a law to imprison if you are against gay people's life-style, similar to that of Holocaust denial:rolleyes:
And in such a case, if an adult gay grooms your impressionate teen-child, you would have to keep it shut lest you get to jail:shock:

[Alesser]

homesexual odam sog odam hisoblanmaydi, bu mental va ba'zan physical kasallik hisoblanadi...buni kasallik ekanligi haqida juda kup maqollar ham yozilgan va shu mavzuga oid kursatuv ham quyilgan... uzim shahsan kurganman shu kursatuvni...

shahsan uzim, gay/lesbga bola tugul kuchukniyam ravo kurmiman, tugrirogi undaylardan nafratlanaman...

[Ulug'bek]

Where is this perfect world you live in? If the kids is up for adoption I think he has already been deprived of this right. My opinion is that it is obviously not the best possible scenario. Everyone should have two loving parents that created them. Unfortunately people are evil (or other circumstances) and they ruin the situation. I do believe someone needs to take care of children and this is better than an orphanage or abandonment.


This question actually is a second stage issue. The first stage questions are, (1) whether or not gay and lesbian marriages impose any danger to the humanity (especially if spreads widely)? and (2) would it be wise to encourage younger generation directly or indirectly to be gay or lesbian?

Negativ answer to both or at least one of these questions must lead to the negative answer to this question and vice versa.

The one who thinks it is completely ok must imagine a picture where all population of the world is in above mentioned marriages and also must not ignore the fact that a child adopted by people with this type marriages is encouraged at least indirectly to be like them in the future.

Lastly instead of legalising this type of adoption we must find ways to fight poverty and encourage normal families to adopt. A headache is not cured by replacing it with a virus that may cause cancer in the future.


By the way the gay marriage, (which is connected to this question) was discussed here a year ago or so untill every body got bored :) http://forum.arbuz.com/showthread.php?t=24739&page=19

[UzLand]

I read Mrs Reaper's thread about adoption. It is secret now more and more countries are legalizing homosexual marriage. As you know it is practically impossible to have child in homosexual families. So, should they be allowed to adopt child. Just your personal opinion.

No. I don't even want to elaborate on this. If they chose such a non-traditional life-style for themselves, they shouldn't put a child in that environment too.

[referee]

I am curious to know what's behind users' support for gay adoption. So I have couple of questions to those who support gay adoption:

1) Would you also agree that satanists, swinging couples, prostitutes, drug-addicts and other unsavoury people should have a right to adopt a child? Theoretically, they are also capable of "love and care"...

2) Would you not strip a child's right to choose a normal family, if you let a gay couple to adopt him/her? Who will replace him a missing mother or farther in his life? Why should gay person's right over-ride child's rights? Is it not right that child's rights come first?

3) In adoption, the underlying principle is the happiness and well-being (both mental and physical) of a child. Do you not think that adopted child has a higher risk of the opposite, should he be adopted by a gay couple, instead of a married couple?

4) If you were to die (hudo sahlasinu), would your soul be in peace if a gay couple is given a right to adopt your child and bring him up in their own image and style? In such a case, would you not wish that your child is brought up in a normal family? If you would, then are you not being hypocritical and selfish in supporting gay adoption while wishing something else for your child?

and 5) IN case you believe in Allah and his Prophet pbuh, you would know that a Muslim should wish for his Muslim brother to be pleased by Allah and accepted in the paradise after his death. Now, how can you reconcile being a Muslim and support gay adoption knowing that not only homosexuality is a grave sin but also that you are condemning an innocent child to a life, which is most disliked by Allah and that could send him to eternal hell rather than blissed paradise???

Did you not think, that even if a child becomes Muslim (or Christian for argument sake) he will be damned to choose between Allah's love or his gay parents' love? Is this not cruel for you, a Muslim, to support?

[Aziz]

Sexuality is not contagious, if kids have homesexual parents it doesn't mean they grow up homosexual or vice versa - heterosexuals' kids can be homosexual. .

when you put a good apple with a rotten apple it becomes rotten like it, not vice versa.

[Maroon]

"Participants in the study were 64 male college students, all of whom rated themselves "exclusively hetrosexual." The students filled out a 25-item scale that measured homophobia. On the basis of this scale, 29 students were identifies as nonhomophobic. In the next phase of the experiment, the students were shown erotic videotapes of hetrosexual, lesbian, male homosexual acts. Each student'a arousal in response to these videotapes was assesed by a device that monitored changes in the circumference of his penis. That data showed no differences for homophobic, and nonhomophobic men's arousal in response to the hetrosexual and lesbian videotapes. However, the homophobic men showed reliably greater arousal than did the nonhomophobic men in response to the videotape of male homosexual activity. (Adam et al. 1996) "

[zanjir]

bitta fikr keldi,
kelila agar 15 asr deb qareylik, og' rilani qoli kesilgan, zinokorlar osilgan, davlat va jamiyat dushmanlari kallasi olingan. agar osha paytta shu gaylar bolganda nima bolardi a?
osha paytta agar shunaqa poll bulganda odamlar qanaqa ovoz berishardi?
demoqchi bolganim osha vaqtlarda ham oila bolgan, odamlarni boshi, qoli yoki osha erkaklik yoki ayollik hissi(jinsiy organlar) bolgan. nimaga modern jamiyat shunaqa qila olmaydi? Saddamni osib oldirilganda nega endi lesbi yoki gaylarni shunaqa qila olmaymiz?
balki oshandagina Yaratganga maqul ish qilgan bolarmidik? balki oshandagina kelajak avlod bizni qilmishimiz uchun kechirarmidi a?

[UzbekGirlie]

I am curious to know what's behind users' support for gay adoption. So I have couple of questions to those who support gay adoption:

1) Would you also agree that satanists, swinging couples, prostitutes, drug-addicts and other unsavoury people should have a right to adopt a child? Theoretically, they are also capable of "love and care"...

2) Would you not strip a child's right to choose a normal family, if you let a gay couple to adopt him/her? Who will replace him a missing mother or farther in his life? Why should gay person's right over-ride child's rights? Is it not right that child's rights come first?

3) In adoption, the underlying principle is the happiness and well-being (both mental and physical) of a child. Do you not think that adopted child has a higher risk of the opposite, should he be adopted by a gay couple, instead of a married couple?

4) If you were to die (hudo sahlasinu), would your soul be in peace if a gay couple is given a right to adopt your child and bring him up in their own image and style? In such a case, would you not wish that your child is brought up in a normal family? If you would, then are you not being hypocritical and selfish in supporting gay adoption while wishing something else for your child?

and 5) IN case you believe in Allah and his Prophet pbuh, you would know that a Muslim should wish for his Muslim brother to be pleased by Allah and accepted in the paradise after his death. Now, how can you reconcile being a Muslim and support gay adoption knowing that not only homosexuality is a grave sin but also that you are condemning an innocent child to a life, which is most disliked by Allah and that could send him to hell rather than paradise??? Did you not think, that even if a child becomes Muslim (or Christian for argument sake) he will damned to choose between Allah's love or his gay parents' love? Is this not cruel for you, a Muslim, to support?

I am okay with gay people adopting and here my answers to your question:
1. Gay people have jobs and stable family lives, and they are not so different from me and you. They are not on the same level as prostitutes ( as most have respectable jobs) or satan worshippers ( as most believe in God) and lead a normal stable life. I dont think your analogy makes sense.

2. To me a normal life constitutes of love, stable home, food and guidance. I believe a gay couple would be able to provide all that. I dont think i would be stripping them from what you call a normal life.

3. I dont think that children of gay couples under any more risk than children of straight parents. Last time i checked there are children who have straight parents and were doing drugs, failing in school as well. So i think it depends on parenting skills and i believe gay parents are capable of good parenting.

4. I think if I died and my child was adopted by a stable gay family i would be at peace. To me what matters the most is that my child is given unconditional love, stable home, education and future. I think gay parents are capable of doing so. I would rather my child was adopted by a gay family that would love him than a straight family (or normal family as you refer) that might abuse him and mistreat him.

5. As far as sinning. I though Islam also said that God is the only who shall judge and it is not your or my place. So if it is a sin they will answer for their sins and i will answer for mine. But i think God will also see that they offered a kid a place to live, they loved him and gave him future. So dont forget he also forgives. My grandma used to tell me this story when i was small about a man who was the worst man who has ever lived- he killed and stole- thus he was exiled. While walking in the dessert he came across a house and heard a baby cry. When he walked in he saw a baby and his parents were lying dead. He took the boy and raised him to be a respectable human being. When he died God forgave all his sins and led him to the gates of heaven for one good dead that he has done. This story has been stuck with me and made me believe that God forgives and if you do good things in life he will judge you based on those... So I think everything that u wrote is judgemental bull and as far as I know you are not God so you judgement and opinion doesnt matter to me or the gay people... As long as they lead a respectable life and give back to the society God will see that too.

[UzbekGirlie]

when you put a good apple with a rotten apple it becomes rotten like it, not vice versa.

Same could be said about staright parents. There are straight parents that abuse their children, are alchoholics, gamblers, basically loosers. So I dont think that only applies to gay community.

[~Atirgul~]

Подумайте о детях, ребёнок будет всегда стыдится что у него однаполые родители, не так как у всех, это возможно будет давить на его психику все его детство, я не думаю что в такой сфере может воспитаться нормальный ребёнок, а со временем он к этому привыкнет и примет это как нормальное явление и сам возможно пойдёт по стопам своих опекунов, вот так и будут размножатся Gays and Lesbians:evil: .

[SAMARKANDI!]

G – It was narrated that Jaabir (may Allaah be pleased with him): “The Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: ‘There is nothing I fear for my ummah more than the deed of the people of Loot.’”

(Narrated by al-Tirmidhi, 1457; Ibn Maajah, 2563. This hadeeth was classed as saheeh by Shaykh al-Albaani (may Allaah have mercy on him) in Saheeh al-Jaami’, no. 1552).

H – It was narrated that Ibn ‘Abbaas said: “The Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “… cursed is the one who has intercourse with an animal, cursed is the one who does the action of the people of Loot.”

(Narrated by Ahmad, 1878. This hadeeth was classed as saheeh by Shaykh al-Albaani in Saheeh al-Jaami’, no. 5891).

I – It was narrated that Ibn ‘Abbaas said: “The Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: ‘Whoever you find doing the deed of the people of Loot, kill the one who does it and the one to whom it is done.”

(Narrated by al-Tirmidhi, 1456; Abu Dawood, 4462; Ibn Maajah, 2561. This hadeeth was classed as saheeh by Shaykh al-Albaani in Saheeh al-Jaami’, no. 6589).

And Allaah knows best.

Islam Q&A
Sheikh Muhammed Salih Al-Munajjid

[referee]

Great, first volunteer:

1. Gay people have jobs and stable family lives, and they are not so different from me and you. They are not on the same level as prostitutes ( as most have respectable jobs) or satan worshippers ( as most believe in God) and lead a normal stable life. I dont think your analogy makes sense.


What?! Gays are better than prostitutes?? At least prostitutes know they are doing wrong and doing it for money! Gays believe in God? Which god, name me any gay-friendly god? Lead a normal stable life - by which standards? Satanists and drug-addicts would say the same! Soon, some will start worshiping gays as role models:shock:


2. To me a normal life constitutes of love, stable home, food and guidance. I believe a gay couple would be able to provide all that. I dont think i would be stripping them from what you call a normal life.


Love by whom? By mother and father, or only either? Stable home and food can also be provided by the state, charity home and other entities as well. And there is no shortage of normal couple wishing to adopt, that somehow the humanity depends on "gay adoption"!
What guidance? Internet can also give guidance, it does not qualify it for a fatherhood!

3. I dont think that children of gay couples under any more risk than children of straight parents. Last time i checked there are children who have straight parents and were doing drugs, failing in school as well. So i think it depends on parenting skills and i believe gay parents are capable of good parenting.


You think gay people have a secret weapon against poverty and other social problems of the youth? My point was that another huge risk factor is added in their lives if they are adopted by gays!


4. I think if I died and my child was adopted by a stable gay family i would be at peace.

No comment, it says it all:rolleyes:

5. But i think God will also see that they offered a kid a place to live, they loved him and gave him future.


As if Allah is not bountiful to whom he chooses, that now He will rely on the social services of gay siners to take care of his folk:shock:


So dont forget he also forgives.


Alhamdulillah, Allah is most-forgiving. But he forgives whom he chooses. Unless you have direct connection with your Lord, I would curious to know how you concluded that gays will be forgiven for their grave sins just because they may treat well a child?


So I think everything that u wrote is judgemental bull and as far as I know you are not God so you judgement and opinion doesnt matter to me or the gay people... As long as they lead a respectable life and give back to the society God will see that too.


I am least interested in your reflections on my judgemental faculties, let's keep that part of inner thinking to where it belongs, and post here what is of interest to us all, opinions, views and arguments.

[UzLand]

bitta fikr keldi,
kelila agar 15 asr deb qareylik, og' rilani qoli kesilgan, zinokorlar osilgan, davlat va jamiyat dushmanlari kallasi olingan. agar osha paytta shu gaylar bolganda nima bolardi a?

osha paytta agar shunaqa poll bulganda odamlar qanaqa ovoz berishardi?

Гейлар булган, лекин одамлар у вактда овоз беришмаган:) Баччавозлик хам шуни бир формаси.

[UzLand]

bachchavozlik qilgan boybuchchalar hotini bola chaqasi bolgan deb oylayman;)
ular aytishmagandur ooo Posdho janoblari yoki Hokim janoblari keling shu "bachcha"larga bir biri bilan yashash huquni beramiz deb;)
kegin lesbianlar ham gaylarku;) yoki geisha lesbi demoqchimisiz?:)

Brokeback Mountain да хам оилали булишадику.

But I have a solution. If a gay or a lesbian wants to have a child, they can do it themselves. A gay can find a woman and ask her to bear a child from him or a lesbian can ask a straight guy or a gay to make a babychka for her so that she can give a birth to her own child and do to it whatever she pleases to.

[UzbekGirlie]

Great, first volunteer:

What?! Gays are better than prostitutes?? At least prostitutes know they are doing wrong and doing it for money! Gays believe in God? Which god, name me any gay-friendly god? Lead a normal stable life - by which standards? Satanists and drug-addicts would say the same! Soon, some will start worshiping gays as role models:shock:

Being gay is a sexual prefernce, prostitution is a job. Not the same. So not even worth answering. Shows your understanding of gay/lesbian society..




Love by whom? By mother and father, or only either? Stable home and food can also be provided by the state, charity home and other entities as well. And there is no shortage of normal couple wishing to adopt, that somehow the humanity depends on "gay adoption"!
What guidance? Internet can also give guidance, it does not qualify it for a fatherhood! [/QUOTE]

Loved by parents, where two moms or two dads...I am not sure you have been to a charity homes. They do not provide love or stability... I am mean i guess you would rather children are raised in a horrible orphanage than a family- than it says a lot about you... As far as guidance, internet can not provide the kind of guidance parents can so dont make stupid analogies that make no sense.


[/QUOTE] You think gay people have a secret weapon against poverty and other social problems of the youth? My point was that another huge risk factor is added in their lives if they are adopted by gays![/QUOTE]

I did not say gay people have secret weapon. Learn to read. I said children of gay families and straight families face same problems... Thus your question above did not make sense. As all the children whether adopted by gay or straight families have to deal with same issues. Stop contradictng yourself.


[/QUOTE] No comment, it says it all:rolleyes: [/QUOTE]

Well I guess you rather that your children rote in an orphanage after you die. Do not mock my personal preferences... It was simply an answer to your question.

[/QUOTE] Alhamdulillah, Allah is most-forgiving. But he forgives whom he chooses. Unless you have direct connection with your Lord, I would curious to know how you concluded that gays will be forgiven for their grave sins just because they may treat well a child? [/QUOTE]

I did not say they will... I said it is upto God who to judge...

[UzbekGirlie]

Brokeback Mountain да хам оилали булишадику.

But I have a solution. If a gay or a lesbian wants to have a child, they can do it themselves. A gay can find a woman and ask her to bear a child from him or a lesbian can ask a straight guy or a gay to make a babychka for her so that she can give a birth to her own child and do to it whatever she pleases to.

I think the discussion is about adoption not whether they can have children...

[UzLand]

I think the discussion is about adoption not whether they can have children...

Sorry, but it is related. If they want a child badly, they should have their own and not lesbianize poor child. Why can't they have their own? Let them go through this complex process...

[NozChik]

Brokeback Mountain да хам оилали булишадику.

But I have a solution. If a gay or a lesbian wants to have a child, they can do it themselves. A gay can find a woman and ask her to bear a child from him or a lesbian can ask a straight guy or a gay to make a babychka for her so that she can give a birth to her own child and do to it whatever she pleases to.

If they can do it themselves, then why u being agains them Adope a child? I didt get ur point:rolleyes:

[R.Azimov]

LOL

GAY larni va lezbianlarni eng og'ir jazoga tortvorish kerak o'zi.


UK da spid tarqatayotganlarning eng katta qismini gaylar va lezbianlar tashkil qiladi.

Ularga bolayam hayf...


Erta indin bola ulg'aysa.. Kimni bolasisan.. ota onang kim desa.

Otam Mark, onam DAniel deydimi??
Yoki otam LIza, onam Sara deydimi?


Haromilar bolaniyam harom qilishadi.


RA

[oops_Shirin]

Я против...
это дело людей хотят они быть гейями/лесбиянками или нет...сами перед Аллахом и будут отвечать. Но я бы не хотела, чтоб маленький ребёнок рос и воспитывался такими людьми. Пусть даже они будут очень добросовестными и ответственными родителями.В первую очередь пока ребёнок ещё не достаточно самостоятелен выбирать себе путь родители воспитывают его и они воспитывают его так как они считают правильным...Я бы не хотела , чтоб благодаря такой пропаганде дети росли с мыслями ,что быть гейем/лесби это правильно и хорошо.:rolleyes:
IMO;)

[UzLand]

Whats ur hatred based on ignorance or secret desire to be one of them... U either hate people cause u dont understand them, or hate them cause u secretely dying to have what they want.... Otherwise such strong hatred does not make sense.

So are you against Islam? Against Allah? Against Holy Qur'an? If you answer "yes" to these three questions, then I do not have a problem with you defending gays or their adoption rights. Simple - "yes" or "no".

[Пушкарева]

I haven't voted yet. Still thinking.

[UzLand]

Я против...
это дело людей хотят они быть гейями/лесбиянками или нет...сами перед Аллахом и будут отвечать. Но я бы не хотела, чтоб маленький ребёнок рос и воспитывался такими людьми. Пусть даже они будут очень добросовестными и ответственными родителями.В первую очередь пока ребёнок ещё не достаточно самостоятелен выбирать себе путь родители воспитывают его и они воспитывают его так как они считают правильным...Я бы не хотела , чтоб благодаря такой пропаганде дети росли с мыслями ,что быть гейем/лесби это правильно и хорошо.:rolleyes:
IMO;)

Вот именно! Пусть они усыновляют 18-летнего парня, который не против того, чтобы иметь таких родителей. Отцу-одиночке обычно говорят "у ребенка должна быть мама" или матери-одиночке говорят "у ребенка должен быть отец". Два гея или две лесбиянки не могут заменить мать или отца соответственно. Кто из тех, кто здесь это защищает хотел бы вырастить в геевской семье? Уверен, никто. Даже Mrs.Reaper. Но почему тогда защищать это? Только потому, что вас это напрямую не касается?

[UzbekGirlie]

So are you against Islam? Against Allah? Against Holy Qur'an? If you answer "yes" to these three questions, then I do not have a problem with you defending gays or their adoption rights. Simple - "yes" or "no".

I am Mulsim. I believe in Allah, and I have read Qur'an and believe in Qur'an. I also have a brain, that God gave me, and i use it to form my own opinions.

[referee]

Loved by parents, where two moms or two dads...I am not sure you have been to a charity homes. They do not provide love or stability...


Why to compare oranges with apples? I said such services can be provided by entities other than gay couples, so no need to imply that gays are the last solution for humanity's parentless children.

Well, a role model gay people are welcome to turn those charities into a heavenly place! I am not sure how many gay people you have seen, but from my unscientific observation they are far from being fit to be a parent!


I am mean i guess you would rather children are raised in a horrible orphanage than a family- than it says a lot about you...

PLease pay attention when you read ppl's posts. If you ask me I'd rather my child to be adopted by a normal married coupld, than a gay couple. If you want to know my view on charity vs. gays, I can say that I would rather my child to live in medreseh or roam the world as a dervish than have a "comfort and guiadance" in gay "family". At least, then he's be closer to his God, who will provide for his sustence and well-being.

I did not say gay people have secret weapon. Learn to read. I said children of gay families and straight families face same problems...

As all the children whether adopted by gay or straight families have to deal with same issues. Stop contradictng yourself.


As I said earlier, children adopted by gay people will face additional social and personal issues from the fact that they are parented by gays, in addition to all other social and economic problems that face all children. This means gay adoption adds a higher risk to children's future. What is here contradictory?


Do not mock my personal preferences... It was simply an answer to your question.


No need to be defensive, if you feel uncomfortable to debate this, just say so and we stop debating here;) "No comments" means that there is nothing to add and that the position is clear - where do you see mockery?!

[SAMARKANDI!]

I am Mulsim. I believe in Allah, and I have read Qur'an and believe in Qur'an. I also have a brain, that God gave me, and i use it to form my own opinions.

A muslim that denys the words of the Prophet pbuh and Quran. Now, for me personally you are out of islam automatically if u deny words in Quran or of the Prophet pbuh: according to Quran again.

[UzbekGirlie]

Oy My God! I am so proud of you, that u had read Qur'an and I say Alhamdulillah u r a muslima:)
PS: I suggest u to read Hadiys too, coz even qori akalar cant understand all what Qura'n says! Hadis is easy way how to fallow the rules okmi ?:)

Like I said i am not here to follow Islam blindly by interpertation of Imam's - mostly man- than the whole world would be another version of Middle East. But that is not what we are discussing here. If you want to talk about Islam and Gay/lesbian lifestyle than open a new thread and i would post my opinion there. Otherwise this is off-topic and this is all I am going to post. I am done....

[referee]

I am curious to know what's behind users' support for gay adoption. So I have couple of questions to those who support gay adoption:

1) Would you also agree that satanists, swinging couples, prostitutes, drug-addicts and other unsavoury people should have a right to adopt a child? Theoretically, they are also capable of "love and care"...

2) Would you not strip a child's right to choose a normal family, if you let a gay couple to adopt him/her? Who will replace him a missing mother or farther in his life? Why should gay person's right over-ride child's rights? Is it not right that child's rights come first?

3) In adoption, the underlying principle is the happiness and well-being (both mental and physical) of a child. Do you not think that adopted child has a higher risk of the opposite, should he be adopted by a gay couple, instead of a married couple?

4) If you were to die (hudo sahlasinu), would your soul be in peace if a gay couple is given a right to adopt your child and bring him up in their own image and style? In such a case, would you not wish that your child is brought up in a normal family? If you would, then are you not being hypocritical and selfish in supporting gay adoption while wishing something else for your child?

and 5) IN case you believe in Allah and his Prophet pbuh, you would know that a Muslim should wish for his Muslim brother to be pleased by Allah and accepted in the paradise after his death. Now, how can you reconcile being a Muslim and support gay adoption knowing that not only homosexuality is a grave sin but also that you are condemning an innocent child to a life, which is most disliked by Allah and that could send him to eternal hell rather than blissed paradise???

Did you not think, that even if a child becomes Muslim (or Christian for argument sake) he will be damned to choose between Allah's love or his gay parents' love? Is this not cruel for you, a Muslim, to support?

Why so much personal crap? Can we not debate provoking issues without offending or feeling offended? Seriously, guys, if you feel strongly about the issue for one reason or another, the least we can do is to say why you feel that way and the reasons.

And I am still waiting for those who support gay adoption to reply to my questions with their clear, genuine and undefensive answers. That way we'll know about your arguments more, and may try to convince you otherwise, if your hearts are open...

[SAMARKANDI!]

Since when does everyone get to judge which people are right and wrong? Do you claim that you do not commit sin? Please state where in the Qu'ran it teaches you how to judge people or which people to hate. I always thought it was God's judgement that counted. Not some people who hide hate behind religion.

Well people judge people according to certain sets of law, be it natural law, positive law, legal law, real legal law, historical law, sociological law (if u read law books, these r the types of law schools).

Now, as we claim to be muslims, we judge according to Quran and Sunnah, which condemns homosexuality in both types.

If we shouldn't judge people, then this idea should be universal, creminals, child molesters, war creminals shouldn't be judged, as u said only God should judge them.

Weak thinking pal.

p.s. If this was an issue of hate, this thread would have been closed long time ago.

[referee]

Since when does everyone get to judge which people are right and wrong? Do you claim that you do not commit sin? Please state where in the Qu'ran it teaches you how to judge people or which people to hate.

You are right, most of us commit some sins. I don't deny this. BUT what is at the core of this argument is: Is it acceptible for those who reject God's words that homosexuality is a sin and to actively propagate this sin to adopt a child with the view of having a "family", which is a God-given joy? After all it's God's plan that men and women are like blankets for one another, and that is why man cannot bear a child to a man, and a woman can't be impregnated by a woman!

You see we are not talking about those who know they have commited a sin, repent for it and reform themselves. Gays don't see their life-style as a sin, they would like to shape the society against God's plan, while at the same time want to adopt children, who were created as a result of God's blessing.

Is this not an insult added to an insult? The next thing gays will demand that straight people treat their adopted children in a "gay way" teaching them that gay people are role models for all and homosexuality is a blessing:shock:

[melo]

I guess being judegmental is more fun than not being judgemental and you guys don't want to miss out on the fun. You are in charge of yourselves and can influence the ones around you. Maybe that is not enough power for you. Judgement is divine and reserved to God. You do not get to decide that a human being is wrong and deserves punishment (or taking away rights). As far as government laws, that has nothing to do with God. If governments try to play with morals they will also look stupid. Laws are generally based on not directly harming one another or each other's financial assets.

[Maroon]

I am curious to know what's behind users' support for gay adoption. So I have couple of questions to those who support gay adoption:
I just want to say referee I have great respect towards you and always enjoy reading your posts though some of my views differ from yours.


1) Would you also agree that satanists, swinging couples, prostitutes, drug-addicts and other unsavoury people should have a right to adopt a child? Theoretically, they are also capable of "love and care"...

Tell me the similirarities of those people you listed above with people who in their private life and in their bedroom enjoy having sex with the same sex.

2) Would you not strip a child's right to choose a normal family, if you let a gay couple to adopt him/her? Who will replace him a missing mother or farther in his life? Why should gay person's right over-ride child's rights? Is it not right that child's rights come first?


Where is the right of the child who is only being born to this world? Being born into a drug addictive mother and a pedophile father? Where is THOSE children's choice? Why was my friend born into an abusive family? Where were her rights then??? Why are hetros allowed to give birth anyway? I think that 70% of the population should get an allowance and bloody lisence to give birth at all!!!

Adoption legally, is a very difficult process. Those people who are chosen to adopt children are interviewed many times, have backround checks and etc. So why not give a child to live in an enviroment where he will get love, support, care and education???



3) In adoption, the underlying principle is the happiness and well-being (both mental and physical) of a child. Do you not think that adopted child has a higher risk of the opposite, should he be adopted by a gay couple, instead of a married couple?


How is that? Will he watch his gay parents having sex? Or will have an orgie with them??? Being homosexual does not mean being a pedophile. Those are different things.

4) If you were to die (hudo sahlasinu), would your soul be in peace if a gay couple is given a right to adopt your child and bring him up in their own image and style? In such a case, would you not wish that your child is brought up in a normal family? If you would, then are you not being hypocritical and selfish in supporting gay adoption while wishing something else for your child?

Samoe glavnoe chto bi moy rebenok bil zdarovim i lubimim.

5) IN case you believe in Allah and his Prophet pbuh, you would know that a Muslim should wish for his Muslim brother to be pleased by Allah and accepted in the paradise after his death. Now, how can you reconcile being a Muslim and support gay adoption knowing that not only homosexuality is a grave sin but also that you are condemning an innocent child to a life, which is most disliked by Allah and that could send him to eternal hell rather than blissed paradise???

I believe in God and I am spiritual but not in any way to I follow a certain religion though I have respect Jtowards them.

Did you not think, that even if a child becomes Muslim (or Christian for argument sake) he will be damned to choose between Allah's love or his gay parents' love? Is this not cruel for you, a Muslim, to support?

Isn't Jihad a very important part of Islam? This person will go through his own Jihad and may God give him true guidance.

[UzbekGirlie]

A muslim that denys the words of the Prophet pbuh and Quran. Now, for me personally you are out of islam automatically if u deny words in Quran or of the Prophet pbuh: according to Quran again.

Last time I checked prophet did not say do not let gay people adopt children... I think he was a smart and progressive man and I would think he would be okay with children finding a home rather then dying on street. But again this is off topic. If you want my opinion on Islam and Gay/Lesbian lifestyle and i would respond. Otherwise this is off topic....

[SmIlIk]

Please, stay strictly on topic. It is Should gays and lesbians be allowed to adopt children!!!

[Prince]

i said NOOOOOO , close the thread!!!!! THANKS!!

[Maroon]

i said NOOOOOO , close the thread!!!!! THANKS!!

A che nelzya ob etomg ovorit chto-li? Che tut takogo? :evil:

[Prince]

A che nelzya ob etomg ovorit chto-li? Che tut takogo? :evil:

Di - buladi fakat... korvossanu uzin hozir yana boshlanadi... lyala trapolya...
mayli man jim turaman.... vot uvidesh..

[Maroon]

Di - buladi fakat... korvossanu uzin hozir yana boshlanadi... lyala trapolya...
mayli man jim turaman.... vot uvidesh..

Chunvoman. Nu dadim shans esli budet snova tak to zakroem i dumau moderi dlya sebya sdelaut esho raz vivod. :)

Po teme: Esho raz govoru, ya ZA. Dumaete che hotite.

[Prince]

Chunvoman. Nu dadim shans esli budet snova tak to zakroem i dumau moderi dlya sebya sdelaut esho raz vivod. :)

Po teme: Esho raz govoru, ya ZA. Dumaete che hotite.

Yo san chunmayapsan! ZA misan? :) Ra`no kenai-ga ya shas pozvanyu :D ;) skaju Di ZA ekan deb :rolleyes: ;)

[Maroon]

http://www.well.com/user/queerjhd/

Interestniy sayt. Prochitayte. :)

[Maroon]

Researcher Faris Malik wrote in 1999, as published on his website:

"Qur'an does not prohibit using, as passive sex partners, the ancient category of men who by nature lacked desire for women, since such men were not considered 'male' as a result of their lack of arousal for women. This kind of man is often known as 'gay' in modern times, but in the ancient world he was identified as an anatomically whole 'natural eunuch.'

Although the Qur'an never uses the word eunuch [khasiyy], the hadith and the books of the legal scholars do. Furthermore, the Qur'an recognizes that some men are 'without the defining skill of males' (24:31: 'ghair oolaa il-irbati min ar-rijaali') and so, as domestic servants, are allowed to see women naked. This is a reference to natural eunuchs, i.e. gay men."

What do you think of this?

[Prince]

What do you think of this?

Mrs, BS , allow me 24 hours , i'll try to post something from Quran or Hadeeth where it says and prohibts Gays....
Mrs , i would not suggest you to read someone's opinion, read quran ( direct source) itself e.g Quran
Cheers,

[Prince]

Di, mana topdim sanga;
Quran 4:16
1,1516. Sizlardan o'sha (zinokorlik)ni qilganlarning ikkisi (erkak va ayol)ga (koyish va ta'zirlarini berish bilan) aziyat (jazo) beringiz. Agar ular tavba qilib, (o'zlarini) tuzatsalar, ularni tinch qo'yinglar. Albatta, Alloh tavbalarni qabul qiluvchi, rahmli zotdir.


In English: 4:16. If two men among you are guilty of lewdness, punish them both. If they repent and amend, Leave them alone; for Allah is Oft-returning, Most Merciful.

[Safira]

I read Mrs Reaper's thread about adoption. It is secret now more and more countries are legalizing homosexual marriage. As you know it is practically impossible to have child in homosexual families. So, should they be allowed to adopt child. Just your personal opinion.

Люди с нетрадиционной ориентацией при усыновлении/удочерении руководствуются своими чувствами, желаниями и потребностями. Это от природы потребность иметь ребенка. Но учитывается ли при этом будущее ребенка? Они возьмут малыша, окружат лаской, любовью, заботой, в будущем отдадут в самый лучший садик, потом школу, далее университет. Но так как мы живем в мире, где правят балом люди с нормальной ориентацией. Ребенок будет видеть, что у Johna или у Маши папа мужского пола, или же мама женского пола, в ребенка будет волей неволей развиваться мысль, что он не такой как они, что он другой. Будет развиваться комплекс. Где гарантия, что он вырастет с нормальной психикой, который будет реагировать адекватно на те или иный ситуации. Это мы с вами в зрелом возрасте обсуждаем и говорим, что нужна любовь и ласка, но важно учитывать и то, как среда будет влиять на малыша. В 6-7 лет или даже в подростковом периоде он должен чувствовать себя комфортно и сможет ли он также рассуждать как мы это делаем?.
Я проголосовала НЕТ.

[Prince]

Di, mana topdim sanga;
Quran 4:16
1,1516. Sizlardan o'sha (zinokorlik)ni qilganlarning ikkisi (erkak va ayol)ga (koyish va ta'zirlarini berish bilan) aziyat (jazo) beringiz. Agar ular tavba qilib, (o'zlarini) tuzatsalar, ularni tinch qo'yinglar. Albatta, Alloh tavbalarni qabul qiluvchi, rahmli zotdir.


In English: 4:16. If two men among you are guilty of lewdness, punish them both. If they repent and amend, Leave them alone; for Allah is Oft-returning, Most Merciful.


Di - prodoljenie sleduet , esho 2-3 Surah bor , topsam qoyvoraman...
p.s thanks for person who found this surah for me, it was not me..

[The Reaper]

The comparison is of the principle, not between the two groups. It was to show that someone who's deemed to be of unsuitable character is not usually allowed to adopt children. I refer gays to unsuitable character in this regard too. And this is not pushing it too far IMHO.

I wouldn't put one's homosexuality as some sort of feature which affects his/her overall character. It's their personal traits which matter.
So for example, if you have a homosexual man who is a productive member of society, with no criminal record, in good financial standing, steady career, with outstanding reputation among colleagues and peers; would he still be unfit to adopt a child?

Well, I would dispute this. Just because homosexuality has become an acceptible style in USA due to the political lobbying of homosexuals, does not make it universally acceptable. And I'm not referring to homosexuality as a scientifically proven psychological disorder, but a social and human disorder.

Again, if I'm not mistaken, homosexuality doesn't fall into a category of human or social disorder.

I don't really care if they have feelings or not, I guess they do. But does a possession of a feeling of love qualify automatically for adoption? No.

Of course not. There are many factors which should be considered when dealing with adoption cases. Love is the last one on the list. Background check is the most important one IMHO.

This is my point: pedophilia is illegal for now in US and Europe. I bet it'll change soon. And when it will become acceptible in those societies they will claim their rights to marriage to children or adoption too...

wll reply later on, now have to go

Pedophilia will never be legalized IMHO.
When dealing with pedophiles, we're talking about the very parental instincts of people that will be violated if pedophilia is legalized. Repercussion of such act would be beyond imagination. Nobody in their right mind will ever allow it to happen.
Hell, I'll be the first one to grab a rifle to protect my children from those animals till my last breath.

TR

[Shawn]

Di, mana topdim sanga;
Quran 4:16
1,1516. Sizlardan o'sha (zinokorlik)ni qilganlarning ikkisi (erkak va ayol)ga (koyish va ta'zirlarini berish bilan) aziyat (jazo) beringiz. Agar ular tavba qilib, (o'zlarini) tuzatsalar, ularni tinch qo'yinglar. Albatta, Alloh tavbalarni qabul qiluvchi, rahmli zotdir.


In English: 4:16. If two men among you are guilty of lewdness, punish them both. If they repent and amend, Leave them alone; for Allah is Oft-returning, Most Merciful.

Inglizchada "erkak va ayol" "two men" bo'larkanmi?:rolleyes: O'zingiz perevod qildingizmi? Qanaqa bo'lsa ushanaqa perevod qilish kerak. Bu surada (o'zbekchasida) gaylarga taaluqli joyini ko'rmadim.

O'zimni fikrimga kelsak, gaylar tomonidan adoption qilinishiga qarshiman. Lekin gaylar "kasal", "pedofil", "nenormal'niy", va shunga uxshagan gaplarga qo'shilmayman.

[The Reaper]

Don't think so: we are discussing if it's acceptible for those people, practising socially unsuitable life-style, to adopt children - that's a social issue, while talking about a certain sexual act is a matter of private preference. When you adopt a child, social care people don't care what you do in bed, but they'd be concerned about your life-style and general character...

I think I reflected on that in my previous post.

But who says so? Who draws the line between sick sh*t and acceptable stuff???? A bunch of people in the US and EU?

No, I'd say common sense is our guide.

It seemed what rules such "civilized societies" is money! If gays become commercially and socially active, then suddenly even churches rush to overlook their sacred books to get their cash donations:rolleyes: If they become more powerful in media and art, then suddenly movies and books start saying "it's OK to be gay". When gays get bored with their previously prohibited open practice of homosexuality, then they want to "build families" and adopt children.

My stance is not dictated by what I've seen or heard in the media. I was quite a homophobe a long time ago, times change, so have my views on many things, including homosexuality.

TR, I'm no homophobe - I am not scared of them nor do I hate them. I know gay guys and girls, and no problems of communication, as long as they keep it to themselves and don't bother me with their affliction.
I don't care what they do to each other, it's between them and their God. But I do care when they start imposing their rules of the game to the society where I am part of as well! I have a right to fight their amorality as much they try to fight my morality! Is this a fair point or not?

Fair.
But consider this though, whether we like it or not, homosexuals are members of the society. Those who are positively contributing (working, paying taxes, obeying the law), should also enjoy the same rights as others. After all, they are paying their dues. Don't you think so?

TR

[Prince]

Inglizchada "erkak va ayol" "two men" bo'larkanmi?:rolleyes: O'zingiz perevod qildingizmi? Qanaqa bo'lsa ushanaqa perevod qilish kerak. Bu surada (o'zbekchasida) gaylarga taaluqli joyini ko'rmadim.

O'zimni fikrimga kelsak, gaylar tomonidan adoption qilinishiga qarshiman. Lekin gaylar "kasal", "pedofil", "nenormal'niy", va shunga uxshagan gaplarga qo'shilmayman.

Abduhoshim Ismoilov , uzim perevod qimadim , Sura bilan oyatini nomerini berdim ja kongliz bomasa Quronn ochib korib uqib chiqish qiyin emas!!!!
Ikka perevod xam internetdan oldim!!!! Uzr hato ketgan bosa....
P.S Maqsad betta hatosini topish emas edi.... Surani uqib chiqish edi!

[Aziz]

What do you think of this?

1-Islam's opinion on gays is very clear.
2-The word "ghair oli al-irba" means those men who are sexually disabled or those who has no sexual desire, not GAYS!!!
There is a different between those "ghair oli al-irba" and gays. They didn't have sexual desires toward woman as well as men. We have never heard in the whole Islamic history a mufti or scholar who said "yes, go ahead and enjoy sex with those guys".
3-The verse this "gay preacher" mentioned doesn't say that woman are allowed to show themselves naked in front of "khasiy" people. I was born in Arabia and my first language is Arabic and I never understood this verse the way he explained it. The most extreme way to explain this verse is that they are allowed to show their "zeena" or the usual attraction parts of their body "i.e. hair, make up, accessories,...etc" never NAKED!!!
4- This brings us to why hijab was forced on women. That's because men have desires towards women and it must be controlled through hijab and marriage. In the case where there are males who has no sexual desires as in our case or the woman have been so old that nobody can think of her as sexuallly desired hijab can be eliminated and this is mentioned in the Qur'an in the same chapter our "gay preacher" used.

sorry for offtop, but I had to clarify.

[Prince]

Quote [B]"And (remember) Loot (Lot), when he said to his people: “Do you commit the worst sin such as none preceding you has committed in the ‘Aalameen (mankind and jinn)? Verily, you practise your lusts on men instead of women. Nay, but you are a people transgressing beyond bounds (by committing great sins)” [al-A’raaf 7:80-81]

[Prince]

1 – The abhorrent nature of the sin of homosexuality

Ibn al-Qayyim said concerning the people of Loot:

Those who support the first view – who are the majority of the ummah, and more than one narrated that there was consensus among the Sahaabah on this point – said that there is no sin that causes more corruption than the sin of homosexuality. It is second only to the sin of kufr, and may be greater than the sin of murder, as we shall see below in sha Allaah.

They said: Allaah did not test anyone with this major sin before the people of Loot, and He punished them with a punishment that he did not send upon any other nation. He sent upon them various kinds of punishment: they were destroyed, their houses were turned upside down, the earth swallowed them up, they were pelted with stones from the sky, their eyes were blinded, they were tormented and their torment was made ongoing. So they were punished severely in a way that no other nation was punished, and that was because of the evilness of this crime which almost causes the earth to shake when it is done on it; and the angels flee to the ends of the heavens and the earth when they witness it, fearing that the punishment may come upon its people and strike them too; and the earth cries out to its Lord, and the mountains almost collapse.

Killing the one to whom it is done would be better for him than having intercourse with him, for if a man has intercourse with him he corrupts him in such a way that life is no longer worth living, unlike killing him in a real sense, in which case he would be a martyr who had been wronged, which may be of benefit to him in the Hereafter.

And he said:

The companions of the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) agreed unanimously that he should be put to death, and none of them disagreed about that. Rather they differed with regard to the manner in which he should be put to death. Some of the people thought that the difference of opinion had to do with whether [the homosexual] should be executed, and they narrated it as being a point of dispute among the Sahaabah, whereas in fact it was a matter on which there was consensus.

Whoever ponders the verse in which Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):

“And come not near to unlawful sex. Verily, it is a Faahishah (i.e. anything that transgresses its limits: a great sin, and an evil way that leads one to hell unless Allaah Forgives him)”

[al-Isra’ 17:32]

And the verse in which He says concerning homosexuality (interpretation of the meaning):

“And (remember) Loot (Lot), when he said to his people: “Do you commit the worst sin such as none preceding you has committed in the ‘Aalameen (mankind and jinn)?”

[al-A’raaf 7:80]

will see a difference between the two. For Allaah mentioned zina without the definite article, indicating it is a kind of evil action, but He mentioned homosexuality (liwaat) with the definite article al-, which means that it encompasses all aspects of faahishah or evil.

Then Allaah confirms that and states that no one in the ‘aalameen (mankind and jinn) ever did this before them, as He says, “such as none preceding you has committed in the ‘Aalameen (mankind and jinn)”. Then He emphasizes that even further by mentioning it a blunt manner that demonstrates the abhorrent nature of this action, which is a man having intercourse with a man as a man has intercourse with a woman, and He says (interpretation of the meaning):

“Verily, you practise your lusts on men instead of women”

[al-A’raaf 7:81]

Then Allaah confirms how abhorrent that is by stating that the homosexuals distort the nature with which Allaah has created men, which is to desire women rather than men. They have twisted the natural order and they approach men with desire rather than women. Hence Allaah turned their houses upside down and their hearts likewise, and they were turned upside down, as a punishment.

Then Allaah reiterated the abhorrence of their actions by judging them to have transgressed all bounds as He says (interpretation of the meaning):

“Nay, but you are a people transgressing beyond bounds (by committing great sins)”

[al-A’raaf 7:81]

Think about this: was this, or anything similar, said concerning adultery? And Allaah reiterated the abhorrent nature of their action when He said (interpretation of the meaning):

“and We saved him from the town (folk) who practised Al‑Khabaa’ith (evil, wicked and filthy deeds)”

[al-Anbiya’ 21:74]

Then Allaah the All-Knowing condemned them further by describing them as being extremely evil, as He said (interpretation of the meaning):

“Verily, they were a people given to evil, and were Faasiqoon (rebellious, disobedient to Allaah)”

[al-Anbiya’ 21:74]

And He described them as mufsidoon (evildoers etc), as He said (interpretation of the meaning):

“My Lord! Give me victory over the people who are Mufsidoon (those who commit great crimes and sins, oppressors, tyrants, mischief‑makers, corrupters).”
[al-‘Ankaboot 29:30]

And He called them zaalimoon (wrongdoers), in the words that the angels said to Ibraaheem (peace be upon him) (interpretation of the meaning):

“Verily, we are going to destroy the people of this [Loot (Lot’s)] town (i.e. the town of Sodom in Palestine); truly, its people have been Zaalimoon [wrongdoers, polytheists disobedient to Allaah, and belied their Messenger Loot (Lot)]”

[al-‘Ankaboot 29:31]

Think about those who have been punished in these ways, and whom Allaah has condemned in such terms.

And he said:

Pleasure ceased and was followed with loss; desires ended and led to misery; they enjoyed themselves for a little while, but will be punished for a long time. They grazed on filth, and they suffer a painful torment. They were intoxicated with those desires, but they have awoken in the abode of the tormented. They feel the greatest regret, by Allaah, at the time when regret is to no avail. They weep for what they did before, with tears of blood. If only you could see the highest and lowest of this group, with fire coming out from their faces and bodies when they are in the depths of Hell, drinking cups of boiling water instead of delightful drinks, being told as they are being dragged on their faces, “Taste of that which you used to earn.”

“Taste you therein its heat and whether you are patient of it or impatient of it, it is all the same. You are only being requited for what you used to do”

[al-Toor 52:16 – interpretation of the meaning]

Adapted from al-Jawaab al-Kaafi, pp. 240-245.

[Citizen Dido]

Why not ? Hey look ,how many poor and homeless children out there !
Way much better to stay with kind human individuals ,can u imagine how hard is that to survive and live alone !! Hell no... sorry for humble opinion.

[Prince]

Why not ? Hey look ,how many poor and homeless children out there !
Way much better to stay with kind human individuals ,can u imagine how hard is that to survive and live alone !! Hell no... sorry for humble opinion.

If they are homeless you think it's better to give them to GAY/Lesbians!? Hell NO!

[NuR_BeK]

mlin..., ne naviju takoye izvrashenstvo. I yeshyo detey vospitivat :twisted: , eto je prosto koshmar.

p.s. xudoga shukur Uzbda bunaqa iflosgarchilik rivojlagan mamlakatkardagidek emas.

[Prince]

p.s. xudoga shukur Uzbda bunaqa iflosgarchilik rivojlagan mamlakatkardagidek emas.

PS: Bizdayam bor :rolleyes: prosto Ochiq oydin emas..... man masalan korganman GAY-ni!! Chilonzorda!! :twisted: :evil:
Aziz bn Urgandik ;) :? :rolleyes:

[NuR_BeK]

PS: Bizdayam bor :rolleyes: prosto Ochiq oydin emas..... man masalan korganman GAY-ni!! Chilonzorda!! :twisted: :evil:
Aziz bn Urgandik ;) :? :rolleyes:

seryozno :shock: ?

umid qilamanki u o'zbek bo'lmagan yoki? :twisted:

[Prince]

seryozno :shock: ?

umid qilamanki u o'zbek bo'lmagan yoki? :twisted:

Tatarin Edi adashmasam!!!!:twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted:

[Aziz]

Why not ? Hey look ,how many poor and homeless children out there !
Way much better to stay with kind human individuals ,can u imagine how hard is that to survive and live alone !! Hell no... sorry for humble opinion.

has the world run out of good, natural, normal, healthy, and loving couples?
I don't think so.

[StU]

seryozno :shock: ?

umid qilamanki u o'zbek bo'lmagan yoki? :twisted:

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: zaidite v lubuyu doroguyu parikmaherskuyu v Tahskente. Tam vse parni (v osnovnom uzbeki) i v osnovnom netradicionnoi orientaciyi. :P

[SAMARKANDI!]

By the way people do we have homos amongst us??:lol:

I feel that there is some..:lol: :lol:

[SAMARKANDI!]

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: zaidite v lubuyu doroguyu parikmaherskuyu v Tahskente. Tam vse parni (v osnovnom uzbeki) i v osnovnom netradicionnoi orientaciyi. :P

They usaully have german affect on them, so are girls:D

p.s. I remember I read in one german Newspaper in Bremen that sister and brother got married. Sekin Sekin hozir fag larni accept qildirishadi Demacratya deb kegin opa akalar ham OK boladi, bright future with Democracy:D

[Maroon]

By the way people do we have homos amongst us??:lol:

I feel that there is some..:lol: :lol:

In fact, homophobes are the gayest of gayest not people who do not have anything against them. :rolleyes:

Just for your future reference.

[StU]

ya vspomnila, kak odna moya podrujka tolko priehala v Germany iz Tashkenta i odna lesbi v studencheskoi obshage vstretila nas s druzyami i govorit kivaya na devochku - tipa ya ee hochu. Bedniy rebenok tak ispugalsya :) .

[Prince]

If i were a king of Univers, I would give them time and then .... --> "Vishku" bi dal vsem...
P.S Pidr - on ne chelovek!!!

[UzLand]

In fact, homophobes are the gayest of gayest not people who do not have anything against them. :rolleyes:

Just for your future reference.

homophobia - irrational fear of, aversion to, or discrimination against homosexuality or homosexuals

homophobe - a person characterized by homophobia

(Merriam-Webster Dictionary)

[SAMARKANDI!]

In fact, homophobes are the gayest of gayest not people who do not have anything against them. :rolleyes:

Just for your future reference.

Sooo...?


thats what i was asking if we have homos here...hmmm strange

homo..in the meaning of fag, mdaa

[Maroon]

homophobia - irrational fear of, aversion to, or discrimination against homosexuality or homosexuals

homophobe - a person characterized by homophobia

(Merriam-Webster Dictionary)


Uzland, how smart. Read some psychology books.

[Maroon]

Sooo...?


thats what i was asking if we have homos here...hmmm strange

Nimalani uzi devosiz. Homophobe nimaligini bilasiz mi uzi?

[StU]

mojno ya rasskazhu anekdot neprilichniy: :uups:

sin podhodit k otcu i govorit:
- pap, ya davno hotel tebe priznatsa - ya homosexualist
otec dolgo razdumivaya:
- a chto ti sochinyaesh krasivyu muziku kak Chaykovskiy?
- net
- a chto ti tak je krasivo poesh kak Elton John?
- net
- togda ti ne homosexualist, a prosto p#^&r

[UzLand]

Uzland, how smart. Read some psychology books.

What does psychology have to do with the original meaning of a word? May be psychologists invented their own new meaning in reference to this word, I dunno.

[Maroon]

mojno ya rasskazhu anekdot neprilichniy: :uups:

sin podhodit k otcu i govorit:
- pap, ya davno hotel tebe priznatsa - ya homosexualist
otec dolgo razdumivaya:
- a chto ti sochinyaesh krasivyu muziku kak Chaykovskiy?
- net
- a chto ti tak je krasivo poesh kak Elton John?
- net
- togda ti ne homosexualist, a prosto p#^&r

Dahshat. :lool:

Uzland: It is not about the definition of the word but about homophobic people. Ufooo.

[SAMARKANDI!]

What does psychology have to do with the original meaning of a word? May be psychologists invented their own new meaning in reference to this word, I dunno.

Damn it people, what the hell:lol: :lol: :lol: Homo was refered to a fag not to the root meaning, what were we discussing here in the first place for god's sake:rolleyes:

[UzLand]

Damn it people, what the hell:lol: :lol: :lol: Homo was refered to a fag not to the root meaning, what were we discussing here in the first place for god's sake:rolleyes:

Can you just simply say "faggy"?:) Шу феггиларни деб, Риппер хонимдай гузал ва аклли аел билан бахслашишга мажбур киляпсиз:)

[SAMARKANDI!]

Can you just simply say "faggy"?:) Шу феггиларни деб, Риппер хонимдай гузал ва аклли аел билан бахслашишга мажбур киляпсиз:)

My bad, damn fags cause problems everywhere.

Did u guys know that (former) head or some sort of important employe of Andijan internal affairs was cought with fag job? I heard it, no official source but from serious people:D

[Maroon]

My bad, damn fags cause problems everywhere.

Did u guys know that (former) head or some sort of important employe of Andijan internal affairs was cought with fag job? I heard it, no official source but from serious people:D

80% of namangan is filled with fags. It is a fact. :lol: Long story.

I know by fact a lot of gov officials who are gay.

[NuR_BeK]

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: zaidite v lubuyu doroguyu parikmaherskuyu v Tahskente. Tam vse parni (v osnovnom uzbeki) i v osnovnom netradicionnoi orientaciyi. :P


:shock: ya aj... ***. Neznayu kak v Tashkente, no v Samarkande ya takix ne vstrechal/ne vidal...

No ochen ochen jal, chto daje sredi uzbekov toje takix izvrashensov yest :twisted: :twisted: :twisted:

[UzLand]

80% of namangan is filled with fags. It is a fact. :lol: Long story.

I know by fact a lot of gov officials who are gay.

:lool: :lool: :lool: :lool:

Бечора наманганлик юзерларимиз:)

[SAMARKANDI!]

80% of namangan is filled with fags. It is a fact. :lol: Long story.

I know by fact a lot of gov officials who are gay.

Well, I have heard of some of them, but I believe they are not really fags they are more of a bisexual. For instance I. Karimov

[UzLand]

Did u guys know that (former) head or some sort of important employe of Andijan internal affairs was cought with fag job? I heard it, no official source but from serious people:D

Which side was he on? Giving or taking? :lool: :lool:

[SAMARKANDI!]

Which side was he on? Giving or taking? :lool: :lool:

are u having fun or smth, why r u so much interested?:lol: which side interests you more?:lol: :lol:

Hell knows which side he was, the same shit. Shoot, scorn to talk about them.