88500 pulim bo'lsa?

[abcd]

Shu hozir bekorchilikda o'tirib bitta ikkita narsalarni sanab o'tirodim, kallaga zo'r fikr kep qoldi. Aytib o'tishim kere birjada option o'ynab turaman spread, straddle deganlariday. Ko'p emas ozgina 100 - 200 dollarga, ermak uchun.
Bugun apple computerning stock price yopilishi 88.50 teng bo'ldi. Hom hayol agar hozir 88500 dollarim bo'lganida 1000 ta akciya sotvolardim. Endi roppa rossa 1 yildan keyingi call 90 strike price 14.30 ekan. Agar 10 ta covered call yozsam 14300 chontakga tusharkan. Aytaylik akciyalarimi hedging qilgim kelsa 85 strike price put sotvosam hammasi bo'lib 9400 pul sarflerkanman.
Endi roppa rossa bir yildan keyin uchta scenariy bo'lishi mumkin.

1. Akciyani narhi 85 va 90 orasida bo'ladi. Call va put out of money bo'lib expire bo'larkan. demak mani sof foydam 5100 + (akciyani narhi - 88.5) foydam 1.8% - 6.5%.

2.Akciyani narhi 90dan baland. Bunda call excercise bo'ladi va mani sof foydam 6600 ga teng bo'larkan. Yani 7.5% yillik daromad.

3. Akciyani narhi tushib ketdi man akciyani 85ga sotdim va ohir oqibatda 940 dollar foydada qoldim. yani daromadim 1% yillik. :P

Endi bu prosta hom hayol. Lekin yahshi fikrga o'hshayapti. Silar ham yozilar shuncha pulim bo'lganda shunaqa qip tashardim deb.

[-Resident-]

Shu hozir bekorchilikda o'tirib bitta ikkita narsalarni sanab o'tirodim, kallaga zo'r fikr kep qoldi. Aytib o'tishim kere birjada option o'ynab turaman spread, straddle deganlariday. Ko'p emas ozgina 100 - 200 dollarga, ermak uchun.
Bugun apple computerning stock price yopilishi 88.50 teng bo'ldi. Hom hayol agar hozir 88500 dollarim bo'lganida 1000 ta akciya sotvolardim. Endi roppa rossa 1 yildan keyingi call 90 strike price 14.30 ekan. Agar 10 ta covered call yozsam 14300 chontakga tusharkan. Aytaylik akciyalarimi hedging qilgim kelsa 85 strike price put sotvosam hammasi bo'lib 9400 pul sarflerkanman.
Endi roppa rossa bir yildan keyin uchta scenariy bo'lishi mumkin.

1. Akciyani narhi 85 va 90 orasida bo'ladi. Call va put out of money bo'lib expire bo'larkan. demak mani sof foydam 5100 + (akciyani narhi - 88.5) foydam 1.8% - 6.5%.

2.Akciyani narhi 90dan baland. Bunda call excercise bo'ladi va mani sof foydam 6600 ga teng bo'larkan. Yani 7.5% yillik daromad.

3. Akciyani narhi tushib ketdi man akciyani 85ga sotdim va ohir oqibatda 940 dollar foydada qoldim. yani daromadim 1% yillik. :P

Endi bu prosta hom hayol. Lekin yahshi fikrga o'hshayapti. Silar ham yozilar shuncha pulim bo'lganda shunaqa qip tashardim deb.
O`zbekistonga qaytib ketardim agar 88500 bo`lganida bora ana 50000 bo`lsa ham qaytib ketvorardim:D

[Prince]

Shu hozir bekorchilikda o'tirib bitta ikkita narsalarni sanab o'tirodim, kallaga zo'r fikr kep qoldi. Aytib o'tishim kere birjada option o'ynab turaman spread, straddle deganlariday. Ko'p emas ozgina 100 - 200 dollarga, ermak uchun.
Bugun apple computerning stock price yopilishi 88.50 teng bo'ldi. Hom hayol agar hozir 88500 dollarim bo'lganida 1000 ta akciya sotvolardim. Endi roppa rossa 1 yildan keyingi call 90 strike price 14.30 ekan. Agar 10 ta covered call yozsam 14300 chontakga tusharkan. Aytaylik akciyalarimi hedging qilgim kelsa 85 strike price put sotvosam hammasi bo'lib 9400 pul sarflerkanman.
Endi roppa rossa bir yildan keyin uchta scenariy bo'lishi mumkin.

1. Akciyani narhi 85 va 90 orasida bo'ladi. Call va put out of money bo'lib expire bo'larkan. demak mani sof foydam 5100 + (akciyani narhi - 88.5) foydam 1.8% - 6.5%.

2.Akciyani narhi 90dan baland. Bunda call excercise bo'ladi va mani sof foydam 6600 ga teng bo'larkan. Yani 7.5% yillik daromad.

3. Akciyani narhi tushib ketdi man akciyani 85ga sotdim va ohir oqibatda 940 dollar foydada qoldim. yani daromadim 1% yillik. :P

Endi bu prosta hom hayol. Lekin yahshi fikrga o'hshayapti. Silar ham yozilar shuncha pulim bo'lganda shunaqa qip tashardim deb.

80K boganda , bor pulizni STOCK ga tikish ahmoqlik bolardi manimcha... ENRON-ni kuni tushsa tamomde 80K tegiga oladi!!!
80K ga yaxshigina ish qisa boladi uzimizda xam kamida yiliga 20% tashab beradigan!!!

[UzLand]

Манга 2 минг етмай турибди:)

[abcd]

80K boganda , bor pulizni STOCK ga tikish ahmoqlik bolardi manimcha... ENRON-ni kuni tushsa tamomde 80K tegiga oladi!!!

Hech kim stockga tikkani yo'q bu erda. Stock is paper money for kids. Options are real deal. Agar bir yildan keyin apple narhi 1 dollar bo'lib olsa ham 940 dollar foyda ko'rsa bo'ladi. Yahshilab e'tibor bering 3 situatciyada aytib o'tdimu agar stockni narhi tushib ketsa nima bo'lishini.

[Prince]

Hech kim stockga tikkani yo'q bu erda. Stock is paper money for kids. Options are real deal. Agar bir yildan keyin apple narhi 1 dollar bo'lib olsa ham 940 dollar foyda ko'rsa bo'ladi. Yahshilab e'tibor bering 3 situatciyada aytib o'tdimu agar stockni narhi tushib ketsa nima bo'lishini.

Oyin oynavoman uka, deb qoymisizmi unda :)

[ДЖИГИТ]

Туя сахрода хоммомни орзу qибти, дегандей, лекин яхши ният ярим мол деыишади хам, мехнат qисела топасила, а так 88.583 доллар 27 цент топаман деб, ко'п о'збела международный карманщик- воришка бо'либ kолишибди.

[Amiri Turkiston]

Razorback: undan ko'rasi vatanga kelib yahshilab qariyalarni DUOsini olib ish boshlashangiz ham usha pulni bemalol topasiz

ul-bul novinka bulgan narsalalr ko'p Tosh.da....shunga usha pulizni 10 dan 1ini tiksaiz buldi

[Royal]

Shu hozir bekorchilikda o'tirib bitta ikkita narsalarni sanab o'tirodim, kallaga zo'r fikr kep qoldi. Aytib o'tishim kere birjada option o'ynab turaman spread, straddle deganlariday. Ko'p emas ozgina 100 - 200 dollarga, ermak uchun.
Bugun apple computerning stock price yopilishi 88.50 teng bo'ldi. Hom hayol agar hozir 88500 dollarim bo'lganida 1000 ta akciya sotvolardim. Endi roppa rossa 1 yildan keyingi call 90 strike price 14.30 ekan. Agar 10 ta covered call yozsam 14300 chontakga tusharkan. Aytaylik akciyalarimi hedging qilgim kelsa 85 strike price put sotvosam hammasi bo'lib 9400 pul sarflerkanman.
Endi roppa rossa bir yildan keyin uchta scenariy bo'lishi mumkin.

1. Akciyani narhi 85 va 90 orasida bo'ladi. Call va put out of money bo'lib expire bo'larkan. demak mani sof foydam 5100 + (akciyani narhi - 88.5) foydam 1.8% - 6.5%.

2.Akciyani narhi 90dan baland. Bunda call excercise bo'ladi va mani sof foydam 6600 ga teng bo'larkan. Yani 7.5% yillik daromad.

3. Akciyani narhi tushib ketdi man akciyani 85ga sotdim va ohir oqibatda 940 dollar foydada qoldim. yani daromadim 1% yillik. :P

Endi bu prosta hom hayol. Lekin yahshi fikrga o'hshayapti. Silar ham yozilar shuncha pulim bo'lganda shunaqa qip tashardim deb.

Toyota aktsiyalaridan habardor bop tur...va Toyota GMni sotvolishi kutilvotti...
GMniyam aktsiyalari ancha tushadi va Toyota tamonidan terilado bozordan...

Apple ni stocki iPhone dan keyin kotarildi yana kotariladi..lekin Apple ni haozir sudga berishgandi oshanga qarab turiship ti shakil.

Ehhhhh.. oy nashga mumkin boganida oynardim manam...

Realnie maslahat gapga hayol parast javoblani nima keragi bor...

[-Resident-]

Realnie maslahat gapga hayol parast javoblani nima keragi bor...

Royal mana buni o`qib turib keyin yozdik
Endi bu prosta hom hayol. Lekin yahshi fikrga o'hshayapti. Silar ham yozilar shuncha pulim bo'lganda shunaqa qip tashardim deb.

Menimcha shu o`zi etarlik bo`lsa kerak javob uchun!

[Arhimed]

O`zbekistonga qaytib ketardim agar 88500 bo`lganida bora ana 50000 bo`lsa ham qaytib ketvorardim:D

88500 etganda puliz shoshma yana bir oy, 100000 qilib ketaylik deysiz. 100000bo'lganda, hozir nima bor uyda, qarindoshlarga viza qilaman ko'rib ketishsin deysiz ...va hakazo.....

bu albatta general thoughts, hapa bo'gan o'ris.

[Royal]

Royal mana buni o`qib turib keyin yozdik

Menimcha shu o`zi etarlik bo`lsa kerak javob uchun!
Eeeee..uzr, uzr...man otini kormie qopman...lekin yahshi fikr...
Oynasa boladi, faqat yahshilap fikrlap va hisoblab korish kerak har doim...analiz kuchli bosa mumkin...

Agar ana anu oynavotti mani undan nimam kam, pulim bosa bor dip oynash bu ahmoqni ishi...

[Arhimed]

srazu 5-6 qo'y so'yib bechoralaga osh bervorardim

Oltin olma, duo ol duo oltin emasmi degan ekan maqshoyiqlar

[-Resident-]

88500 etganda puliz shoshma yana bir oy, 100000 qilib ketaylik deysiz. 100000bo'lganda, hozir nima bor uyda, qarindoshlarga viza qilaman ko'rib ketishsin deysiz ...va hakazo.....

bu albatta general thoughts, hapa bo'gan o'ris.
Aytganimday 50000 bo`lsa ham ketardim sababi 50000 bilan yahshigina biznesni yo`lga qo`ysa bo`ladi Uzbekistonda keyin hohish bo`lsa qaytib kelaverasiz:D

[Arhimed]

Aytganimday 50000 bo`lsa ham ketardim sababi 50000 bilan yahshigina biznesni yo`lga qo`ysa bo`ladi Uzbekistonda keyin hohish bo`lsa qaytib kelaverasiz:D

albatta mumkin. Bu shunday bir hayolga kelgan fikir edi.

88500 bo'sa Harvard graduate bo'lib qormasdan uyga qaytib ketaversangiz bo'ladi. nasibangiz butun qaerda bo'lsangiz ham bunaqa degree bilan

[abcd]

Toyota aktsiyalaridan habardor bop tur...va Toyota GMni sotvolishi kutilvotti...
GMniyam aktsiyalari ancha tushadi va Toyota tamonidan terilado bozordan...

Apple ni stocki iPhone dan keyin kotarildi yana kotariladi..lekin Apple ni haozir sudga berishgandi oshanga qarab turiship ti shakil.

Ehhhhh.. oy nashga mumkin boganida oynardim manam...

Realnie maslahat gapga hayol parast javoblani nima keragi bor...

Agar Toyotaga qiziqayotgan bo'lsez mana sizga oddiy classic hedging.

1000 Toyota ADR 132.33 yani 133230

6 oylik 135 covered call 8000 6 oylik 130 put 6200.

Maximum foyda 10670 maximum loss 530 dollar. Yani riskovat qilsa bo'ladiganga ohshayapti.

[Royal]

albatta mumkin. Bu shunday bir hayolga kelgan fikir edi.

88500 bo'sa Harvard graduate bo'lib qormasdan uyga qaytib ketaversangiz bo'ladi. nasibangiz butun qaerda bo'lsangiz ham bunaqa degree bilan

Judayam kalta hayol!!
Oshancha pulni oqishga sariflansa osha pulni balkim yarim yo bir yilda topish mumkin boladi...

[Arhimed]

Judayam kalta hayol!!
Oshancha pulni oqishga sariflansa osha pulni balkim yarim yo bir yilda topish mumkin boladi...

siz nimaga shama qildiznigiz? man inson shunday, qancha bo'lsa ham kam, 88000 boganda 100000 bo'sa deysiz. Bu bor narsa buni inkor etib bo'lmaydi.

Siz esa maslahatim Dale Carnegini oqing, sizga ancha foydasi tegadi.

[zanjir]

bu raqamlar yillik boladigan bolsa, mutual fund ga invest qilgan yaxshi emasmi?
yoki money market acc ga pulni shundoq qoyib qoysezam koproq bomiydimi?

[Prince]

bu raqamlar yillik boladigan bolsa, mutual fund ga invest qilgan yaxshi emasmi?
yoki money market acc ga pulni shundoq qoyib qoysezam koproq bomiydimi?

Shundo qoysez 6%-8% li joyini topsa boladi..

[zanjir]

bu pulga kichkinagina store yoki restorancha ochsez boladi...haftasiga 2000 qip qoyasizu

[Mirzabek]

hayol yaxshi narsa...:lool:

[Pythagor]

uyga borib, qorinni silab, chorpoyani ustida achchiq choyni ichib, yoshi ulug'lani duosini oliib, yonboshlab yotardim, kichkinagina bizneschani boshlab quyib.

[Hamid]

88500 (agar USD bolsa) mening hamma qarzlarimdan qutulishimga yetar ekan!!!

hh

[Masud]

88500 (agar USD bolsa) mening hamma qarzlarimdan qutulishimga yetar ekan!!!

hh

Yaxshi emas...Hamid qarzdor bo'lish.

$88500, Yangi ochilgan mutual fund yoki index fund larga solib qo'ysez, ana sizga diversification u ana sizga return.

Aerospace & Defense stocks are the one's going to lead, Lockheed Martin, Boeing, Raytheon all will do good in the future. "PPA" is the ticker for a defense oriented mutual fund.

[Mirzabek]

hozir sanab chiqdim shunchalik bu bola foizga kiraman desa
shundoq banka 12% bil;an topshirsin ana senga pul mana senga pul...
Bu orada 100000 kamda :lool:

[Masud]

Article from Jonathan Clements, my admired columnist in WSJ, justifies the hassle of investing in Real Estate. Copied pasted, b/c some don't have access to WSJ. Online link with psswrd: http://online.wsj.com/article/SB116959562212885601.html

Why You Should Think Twice
About Investing in Real Estate
January 24, 2007; Page D1

Real estate may be getting cheaper. But homes are always expensive.

Like any good knee-jerk contrarian, my enthusiasm for the property market grows as the bad news piles up. Only last week, the Federal Reserve's "beige book" report on regional economic conditions noted that housing markets continue to soften, with sluggish home sales and falling prices in some areas.

So is it time to buy the vacation home you've always wanted? Should you trade up to a larger place? It is tempting. But if your sole goal is making money, it's mighty hard to justify.

• Counting costs. When analyzing the payoff from homeownership, it is critical to remember two key points.


First, home-price appreciation has historically been modest and certainly nothing like the heady gains enjoyed earlier this decade.


According to home-finance corporation Freddie Mac, U.S. house prices climbed 6.2% a year over the past 30 years, versus 4.3% for inflation. Beating inflation by 1.9 percentage points a year is (pun intended) nothing to write home about. To make matters worse, after the current decade's blistering performance, even slimmer returns may lie ahead.

Instead, as you toy with whether to trade up to a larger place or purchase a second home, your real focus should be the dividend. This dividend is the rent you receive or, if you live in the house yourself, the "imputed rent" -- the rent you would have paid if you didn't own the place. This rent might be worth 7% or 8% of a home's value each year, though the figure will vary depending on the location.

That brings us to the second key point. Homeownership is horribly expensive. In fact, it's comparable to owning a mutual fund that not only charges 3% or so in annual expenses but also levies a 5% or 6% back-end sales charge.

The back-end sales charge is the commission you will likely pay to sell your home, while the 3% annual expenses reflect the triple hit from property taxes, homeowner's insurance and maintenance costs.

Your annual expenses would be even higher if you add in home improvements and monthly mortgage costs. But arguably, neither should be included: Home improvements are optional expenditures, while a mortgage is a borrowing cost, not a cost inherent in homeownership.

• Collecting rent. What's the implication of all this? If you subtract the costs of homeownership from your price appreciation, you are unlikely to keep pace with inflation -- and you might end up under water.


True, if you have a mortgage, you could enjoy leveraged gains. But leverage can also bite. Indeed, from current levels, price gains may fall short of the 6.4% interest rate now charged by a 30-year fixed-rate mortgage. What about the mortgage-tax deduction? Even if you figure in the tax savings, the leverage may still not work in your favor.

All that said, this could be a wonderful time to invest in real estate -- and, no, I am not making a market prediction. Frankly, it isn't that important whether property prices climb at 4% or 6% a year.

Rather, what really matters is the long-run dividend. As savvy landlords will tell you, the key to a successful investment property is finding a place that will attract good tenants who deliver a steady stream of rental income.

But what if you have no desire to be a landlord? What if, instead, you're thinking of trading up to a larger house or buying a vacation home for your own use?

In that case, all bets are off. You won't collect any rental income and, after all costs, you probably won't make much on the price appreciation.

That doesn't mean you shouldn't buy that charming country cottage, assuming you have the financial wherewithal and you will get a lot of pleasure from the place. And clearly, it's better to pay 2007's prices than 2005's. But don't kid yourself: You aren't investing in real estate -- you're consuming it.

[Martingale]

options are risky assets. once you win, you win a lot. On the other side, if you lose, you lose...:D

Now, when it comes to this particular case. Let's assume the worst scenario: 1%. Because investors should be concerned of their loss in first place then their win, right?;) Now tell me which online broker are you gonna use? Charles Schwab? Scottrade? You should assume transaction costs my friend.;)
So you are in a risk of getting less than 1 % return in case of negative outcome.

1% of 88500 is 885 USD.:lol:

now bad news is: :lol:
You invest almost ninety thousand for one year and get a thousand dollar?:twisted:

Maybe you should consider muni bond instead, huh?:lool:

Of course, I admit it IS possible to make a good money in options market. But you should consider one thing when trading in options and futures market, your win is somebody's loss. So when you win here 1 dollar in US, somebody in china or Japan loses that 1 dollar. It's not like stocks and bonds. Unfortunately time value of money has nothing to do here. It means you are gambling with big mutual funds, hedge funds who employ best traders in the world.:twisted: And your 88500 is almost less than 1% of their assets.:lol:
But if you are aggressive trader and devote yourself entirely into it, you may make a good profit. Otherwise, you are just making charity contributions to big mutual funds like Fidelity and Vanguard.

Anyways, good luck SAS xpert.;)

[abcd]

[QUOTE=Martingale;604675]options are risky assets. once you win, you win a lot. On the other side, if you lose, you lose...
Not always. Options can be used for hedging purposes as well. For example you buy 1000 shares of apple lets say for 90 dollar. Then you can just hedge your 1000 shares with 10 contracts of put with close strike price. And in case if stock prices will drop sharply you will loose only put's purchase price. While other apple shareholders who do not hedge their equity will loose thousands your loss is limited. If otherwise apple price goes up then you are entitled for unlimited profit minus put price.

Now, when it comes to this particular case. Let's assume the worst scenario: 1%. Because investors should be concerned of their loss in first place then their win, right?;) Now tell me which online broker are you gonna use? Charles Schwab? Scottrade? You should assume transaction costs my friend.;)
I will use Ameritrade. Here is the breakdown of transaction costs.
9.99 to purchase 1000 shares of apple
9.99 + .75 per option contract so it is 35 dollars.
excercise price 29.99 dollars. So maximum 80 dollars.

So you are in a risk of getting less than 1 % return in case of negative outcome.
But it is much better than losing whole fortune with betting for something that can lose value over the time.

1% of 88500 is 885 USD.:lol:
Or I can make 7.5% profit :lol:

now bad news is: :lol:
You invest almost ninety thousand for one year and get a thousand dollar?:twisted:
Good news is I will bet on growth stock which is more likely to increase than decrease however in worst scenario I still will make profit rather than losing my money altough my profit isn't big but still I am much better off.

Maybe you should consider muni bond instead, huh?:lool:
I would if you explain me how it works what profits should I expect what are the risks of losing money.

Of course, I admit it IS possible to make a good money in options market. But you should consider one thing when trading in options and futures market, your win is somebody's loss. So when you win here 1 dollar in US, somebody in china or Japan loses that 1 dollar.

I did not get this part. What is has to do whith chinese and japanese? :rolleyes: I am playing in US market, I am bying calls and puts, and somebody in the USA is selling calls and puts.

It's not like stocks and bonds. Unfortunately time value of money has nothing to do here. It means you are gambling with big mutual funds, hedge funds who employ best traders in the world.:twisted: And your 88500 is almost less than 1% of their assets.:lol:


Yeah right. Show me in my example where I will lose my money. My profits might be limited but there is no way I will lose my fortune. Another thing is just recently one of the hedgers lost 5 billion dollars by betting on gas prices. So if you would bet otherwise you would be a billionaire now. Imagine Laziz billionare.

But if you are aggressive trader and devote yourself entirely into it, you may make a good profit. Otherwise, you are just making charity contributions to big mutual funds like Fidelity and Vanguard.
Well many advanced traders will buy stocks only to write covered calls. The return is high the only risk is when your stock will drop in value.

P.S. So far I did not see any ideas that would be worth of even discussing in this thread. Nobody break down the risks and profits like I did. The only thing that I am reading is bet on this because it is good.

[Martingale]

[QUOTE]
Not always. Options can be used for hedging purposes as well. For example you buy 1000 shares of apple lets say for 90 dollar. Then you can just hedge your 1000 shares with 10 contracts of put with close strike price. And in case if stock prices will drop sharply you will loose only put's purchase price. While other apple shareholders who do not hedge their equity will loose thousands your loss is limited. If otherwise apple price goes up then you are entitled for unlimited profit minus put price.
:lol: arrogant deb uylamang, Hedging nima ekanligni yahshi bilaman.

But it is much better than losing whole fortune with betting for something that can lose value over the time.

you did not get what I meant. even 7.5% return is too low for such an asset. Bratan S&P index urtacha hisobda bu 7.5%ni outperform kiladiku. :lol: There is a small size of S$P index called SPDR or "spider" invest in it and get more than 7.5% or invest in hedge fund.:lol:


Or I can make 7.5% profit :lol:
read above;)

Good news is I will bet on growth stock which is more likely to increase than decrease however in worst scenario I still will make profit rather than losing my money altough my profit isn't big but still I am much better off.
yahshi, yahshi..this attitude helps you to overcome the tension you feel when you see spomeone making much more than you investing in other things with the same amount of money in one year.:lol: just a joke;)

I would if you explain me how it works what profits should I expect what are the risks of losing money.
there is nor risk of losing money, muni bond ku? muni bonds are government bonds aka ris free assets.;)

I did not get this part. What is has to do whith chinese and japanese? :rolleyes: I am playing in US market, I am bying calls and puts, and somebody in the USA is selling calls and puts.
you did not get my point. I wanted to say in options market or NYSE or NASDAQ everybody can win, right? because of time value of money!
but in options market somebody wins and somebody loses the same thing. Bir biridan profit transfer kilishadi. Big mutual fundlar uzini talatib kuymidi eb tashiydi sizga uhshagan millionlab traderlarni maza qib eyishadi. Hafa bumang lekin bu hakikat!:lol:

Yeah right. Show me in my example where I will lose my money. My profits might be limited but there is no way I will lose my fortune. Another thing is just recently one of the hedgers lost 5 billion dollars by betting on gas prices. So if you would bet otherwise you would be a billionaire now. Imagine Laziz billionare.I never told it's not possible, but it's very hard, but in orer to make much money, you need to invest much. But 7.5% for 90k is too low. Why don't you try futures market?


Well many advanced traders will buy stocks only to write covered calls. The return is high the only risk is when your stock will drop in value.
protective put is better than covered call. covered call limits the high returns. Protective put is more common in real life. Cuz it works as an insurance.


P.S. So far I did not see any ideas that would be worth of even discussing in this thread.

sory but I did not see anything worth from the begininng.

[abcd]

arrogant deb uylamang, Hedging nima ekanligni yahshi bilaman.
Man bilmesiz demadim shekilli, prosto option risky deganizga faqat risky emas demoqchi bo'ldim holos.


you did not get what I meant. even 7.5% return is too low for such an asset. Bratan S&P index urtacha hisobda bu 7.5%ni outperform kiladiku. :lol: There is a small size of S$P index called SPDR or "spider" invest in it and get more than 7.5% or invest in hedge fund.:lol:
It was only a hypothetical thing that you can do with options. There are thousands more things and combinations that you can do with options. For instance spreads and straddles. And of course covered calls.



yahshi, yahshi..this attitude helps you to overcome the tension you feel when you see spomeone making much more than you investing in other things with the same amount of money in one year.:lol: just a joke;)
Well I am risk averse person. I have to weight every ifs and thens. I would agree with low income rather than betting and having risk.


there is nor risk of losing money, muni bond ku? muni bonds are government bonds aka ris free assets.;)
Well first of all lemme remind you that main purpose of munis is to maximize the tax-exempt income and people who have a high tax bracket prefer to invest on munis in order to get tax exempts not because they are seeking profit.

you did not get my point. I wanted to say in options market or NYSE or NASDAQ everybody can win, right? because of time value of money!
but in options market somebody wins and somebody loses the same thing. Bir biridan profit transfer kilishadi. Big mutual fundlar uzini talatib kuymidi eb tashiydi sizga uhshagan millionlab traderlarni maza qib eyishadi. Hafa bumang lekin bu hakikat!:lol:
Bilmadim lekin man birinichi exampleimda qanaqa qilib mani yeb qoyishlarini tushinmadim.

I never told it's not possible, but it's very hard, but in orer to make much money, you need to invest much. But 7.5% for 90k is too low. Why don't you try futures market?
Chumchuq soysa ham qassob soysin deyishadi. Man uje 6 oy option marketda oyneman tak chto I am very comfortable where I am now.



protective put is better than covered call. covered call limits the high returns. Protective put is more common in real life. Cuz it works as an insurance.
Not always For example if I sell covered call today for apple 85 strike I would have a premium of 3.40 which means I will have return of 3% in 25 day!!!
For that apple has to go 90 dollar which is possible but no guarantee. I just need to stay alert and buy to close if my stock drops below 85 strike. Well actually is not the best example bercause it is pretty hectic. For example microsoft is more stable for calls. Besides it pays dividends which is very convinient for covered calls. Approximate yield would be 1.5-2 per one option calendar month.


sory but I did not see anything worth from the begininng.

Like recommending muni to make a lot of money.