Mogolca Türkçeye benzer mi?

[orhan7]

Söyler misiniz, moğolca Türkçeye benziyor mu?
Biliyorsanız bunu örnekleriyle açıklarmısınız.

[orhan7]

Birbirine benzeyen bir kaç moğolca-türkçe kelime
Quelques mots mongols et turcs qui se ressemblent.

MOĞOLCA- TÜRKÇE

Aga (büyük kardeş) Aga
Bahatur (yiğit, kahraman) Bahadır
Çağ (zaman) Çağ (zaman, bin yıl)
çai Çay
Çeçek Çiçek
Çerig (asker) Çeri
Çü (gerçekten) Çün, çünkü
Eke (anne) Eke (abla, kraliçe)
Ekin (başlangıç) Erken
Elçi Elçi
Em (ilaç) Em (ilaç, çare)
Ere (adam, koca) Er
Yal (ateş) Yalaz (ateş, kor)
Cicik (küçük) Küçük, cücük
Cil (yıl) Yıl
Köke (gök, mavi) Gök
Küçün Güç (Kayseri’de gücün derler)
Mal (büyük baş hayvan) Mal
Modun (ağaç) Odun
Narin Narin
Obuğ (kabile) Oba
Ordu (kamp, saray) Ordu
Kağan Kağan
Kamuğ (hepsi) Kamu (halk, hepsi, tümü)
Kan Han
Kara Kara
Katun Hatun
Sabung Sabun
Sandali Sandalye
Tamga Damga
Temür Demir
Tingri Tanrı
Tosun Tosun
Törü Töre
Tümen (on bin) Tümen
Ulus Ulus
Üre Ürün
Üye (eklem) Üye (aza)
Yara Yara

[nicol]

They also have many words similar to uzbek lang...

[Demir Kağan]

They also have many words similar to uzbek lang...

Didn't surprise me.

[orhan7]

Do you know particular words similar to uzbek language?

[Sagittarius]

i think those words were turkic origin.
dont forget turks ruled over mongols, very probaly they gained from us. Because some words seem persian. Many words you bring in turkce do not exist in uzbek.

[KaskırJürek]

Moğolca Türkçe gibi eklemeli Altay dilidir.

[Sagittarius]

yes like brodar (Persian)- Brother (English)- Brat (Russian) which are Indo-European, mongolian language structure should be close to turkic.

[erkinturk]

They also have many words similar to uzbek lang...

ohh realy!!
do you thing Uzbek is unique on it's own?
or just another dialect of Turkic!

[Colpan]

Turkic and Mongolian languages have the same structure. This determines the similarity, not the shared words.

[Qarama]

as far as i know the word sabun is french and cьnkь is persian.

[Sagittarius]

bahadir also should be persian

[Kaptan-i Derya]

bahadir also should be persian

Nope your wrong, bahadir is a persian version of Bagatur. Bagatur name is first recorded as Maodun in Chinese chronicle's. Bagatur means brave or something close to braveness IIRC.

[MUHLIS]

What are we discussing here? OF course it resembles to Turkic! Even the name "Mongol" is believed to have Turkic etymology. As we know mongol is western pronounciation of original "mo'g'ul". Mo'g'ul-mo'nglug'. Mo'nglug' sopunds as mungli in modern Uzbek and means "suffering" (noun), "sad".....Before Timuchin's rise, mongols were very poor and marginalized tribe.

[hellfire]

as far as i speak mongolian language .. i don't think mongolian language is smiliar with turkish language..

Gramatically rules are same but talking in mongolian language ain't easy..
and i have been in mongolia for 4 years..
and mongols and turks are not descended from same ancestors though..
But as far as i know uzbek kazakh turkmen etc... our ancestors were same..

[Demir Kağan]

as far as i speak mongolian language .. i don't think mongolian language is smiliar with turkish language..

Gramatically rules are same but talking in mongolian language ain't easy..
and i have been in mongolia for 4 years..
and mongols and turks are not descended from same ancestors though..
But as far as i know uzbek kazakh turkmen etc... our ancestors were same..

Great Mongol Empire was including Turks, too. So there's an interaction between the cultures. And so, you can see some of that interaction in the 2nd post of this thread.

[Karayılan]

Turkce degisti. Akrabalarindan uzaklasti. "Em" sozcugunu kullanmiyoruz(Bizim yorede kullaniliyor hala) daha boyle cok sozcugun Arapcasini ve Farscasini kullaniyoruz. Tatar Turkcesi Mogolcaya benzer biraz. Dedemden duymustum bunu Tataristanda ve Mogolistanda bulunmus kendisi.

[Genc Turk]

Tataristan'da bulundum defalarca. Dikkatli dinlediğiniz zaman anlaşılabiliyor.

Moğolca İsimlere bakalım:

Sources
Mongolian names traditionally have an important symbolic character - a name with auspicious connotations being thought to bring good fortune to its bearer. The naming of children is usually done by the parents or a respected elder of the family, or by a lama.


Common names
Nowadays most parents give Mongolian names to their children, often consisting of two nouns or adjectives, representing qualities such as solidity and strength for boys or beauty in the case of girls. Male names often include the names of elements such as "iron" or "steel", or other words denoting strength, such as "hero", "strong", or "axe": some examples are Gansьh (steel-axe), Batsajhan (strong-nice), or Tцmцrbaatar (iron-hero). Women's names commonly refer to fine colours or flowers, the sun and moon, or may be made up of any other word with positive connotations using the feminine suffix "-maa" (Tib. "mother"): some common examples are Altantsetseg (golden-flower), Narantujaa (sun-beam), Urančimeg (artistic-decoration), Sarangerel (moon-light), Erdenetungalag (jewel-clear), and Tsetsegmaa (flower). It is possible to name a child with a name more commonly used for the opposite sex.


Names of foreign origin
Some personal names are of Tibetan origin or have come from Sanskrit via Lamaism, like Doržpalam, 'diamond', and Očir and Bazar (both meaning vajra or 'thunderbolt'), while Lianhua, 'lotus', is Chinese.


Surnames
Mongolians have no inherited surname. Like Icelanders, they attach their father's name to their given name. For example: Čuluuny Bat, 'Čuluun’s Bat'. When thus given, the name will usually be written as "Č. Bat". In this instance, of course, "Bat" is the given name.

Nicknames
Sometimes names are shortened, most commonly by choosing one of the parts of the name and adding a vowel, melting it into one or adding the suffix -kaa. E.g., a woman named Delgerzajaa might be called Delger, Zajaa or Deegij, a man named Arslandorž might become Askaa or his sister Idertujaa could become Idree.


Significance
Many gender-neutral name components refer to auspicious qualities such as eternity or happiness: some examples arc Mцnh (eternal), Erdene (jewel), Ojuun (mind), Altan (golden), Sajhan (fine), Žargal or Bajar (happiness), and Enh (peace). Tibetan and Sanskrit names of planets (such as Angarag -- meaning "Mars") are also commonly used in giving names, as are the names of Buddhist saints or sacred symbols. There is also a tradition of giving names with unpleasant qualities to children born to a couple whose previous children have died, in the belief that the unpleasant name will mislead evil spirits seeking to steal the child. Muunohoj, "Vicious Dog", may seem a strange name, but Mongolians have traditionally been given such taboo names to avoid misfortune and confuse evil spirits. Other examples include Nehij, "Sheepskin"; Nergьj, "No Name"; Medehgьj, "I Don't Know"; Hьnbiš, "Not A Human Being"; Henbiš, "Nobody"; Ogtbiš, "Not At All"; Enebiš, "Not This One"; Terbiš, "Not That One."

[Destankutluhan]

as far as i speak mongolian language .. i don't think mongolian language is smiliar with turkish language..

Gramatically rules are same but talking in mongolian language ain't easy..
and i have been in mongolia for 4 years..
and mongols and turks are not descended from same ancestors though..
But as far as i know uzbek kazakh turkmen etc... our ancestors were same..

Dear Friend,

You have contradiction here ; you said " i don't think mongolian language is smiliar with turkish language." , then again said "Gramatically rules are same" . Since you have said similar, it is contradict.
Mongolian language gramatically is very similar with Turkish and have quite large number words same by historical roots. I mean on verbal aspects.
In case you calculate the time then you would recognize that there would be enough verbs and words did enabled them somohow to communicate.

Some other words which are basic nomadic words,I found are putting for reference;

berkihu = berkitmek ( make /bond it stronger)
and from here you can go to name of berk, have other versions that could match Turkish
YASHIL = yesil ( green)
Ucum = Uzum ( grapes)
Su te = Sut (milk)
Us = Su ( water)
Tai = Tay
Oran = Oran
Otagu = Otag
Habearg = Kaburga
Oxer = Okuz
Hoyn = koyun
sarimsah = Sarmisak ( I am not sure whether it is a foreign words)
Od = Ates
Yuzhi = Yuz (face, writting could be slighly difference)








It is true that we may not be the exactly same race but we, naturally have similar cultural and ancestoral backgorunds. Even today it is not very well sperated due to nature of nomadic life style.

[Destankutluhan]

Birbirine benzeyen bir kaç moğolca-türkçe kelime
Quelques mots mongols et turcs qui se ressemblent.

MOĞOLCA- TÜRKÇE

Aga (büyük kardeş) Aga
Bahatur (yiğit, kahraman) Bahadır
Çağ (zaman) Çağ (zaman, bin yıl)
çai Çay
Çeçek Çiçek
Çerig (asker) Çeri
Çü (gerçekten) Çün, çünkü
Eke (anne) Eke (abla, kraliçe)
Ekin (başlangıç) Erken
Elçi Elçi
Em (ilaç) Em (ilaç, çare)
Ere (adam, koca) Er
Yal (ateş) Yalaz (ateş, kor)
Cicik (küçük) Küçük, cücük
Cil (yıl) Yıl
Köke (gök, mavi) Gök
Küçün Güç (Kayseri’de gücün derler)
Mal (büyük baş hayvan) Mal
Modun (ağaç) Odun
Narin Narin Narin means should be the lights of the sun
Obuğ (kabile) Oba
Ordu (kamp, saray) Ordu
Kağan Kağan K actually is X ( kh sound and allmos
valid for all)
Kamuğ (hepsi) Kamu (halk, hepsi, tümü)
Kan Han Kara Kara
Katun Hatun
Sabung Sabun Nat mongolian
Sandali Sandalye Not Mongolian, persian
Tamga Damga
Temür Demir
Tingri Tanrı
Tosun Tosun
Törü Töre
Tümen (on bin) Tümen
Ulus Ulus
Üre Ürün
Üye (eklem) Üye (aza)
Yara Yara

e seslisi yerine "I" ( I-e karisimi)
i sesilisi yerine ei karisimi okunus
Okunuslarda yukarida yazilanlardan farkliliklar olsa da Turkce telafuzu bakiminda kabul edilebilirler.

Saglicakla,

[Kaptan-i Derya]

Well to be honest, you find more similarities between Turkish - Greek, Turkish - Serbian (non-altaic languages), Turkish - Magyar then Turkish - mongolian. There are very few words in common with Mongolian, well the structure, grammar rules are similar and we belong to the same language family but that's it -nothing more.

Closest Turkic dialect to Mongolian (and manchu) is Tuvan dialect, since they are for many thousands years neighbors of them, they have been influenced or influenced them (word exchange).

[Destankutluhan]

Well to be honest, you find more similarities between Turkish - Greek, Turkish - Serbian (non-altaic languages), Turkish - Magyar then Turkish - mongolian. There are very few words in common with Mongolian, well the structure, grammar rules are similar and we belong to the same language family but that's it -nothing more.

Closest Turkic dialect to Mongolian (and manchu) is Tuvan dialect, since they are for many thousands years neighbors of them, they have been influenced or influenced them (word exchange).

No, I do not agree with you. The laters you have mentioned are subject of the Ottoman Empire for allmost 500 years. And relatively new in case you compare with Mongolian.
Comperasion with Mongolian is totally different issue since, it gaves you chance to understand, much earlier versions of the language or the historical development. Compering the old with new is something different then compering it latest. And in fact, we have not quite a few but quite good number of similar words with Mongolian. Those, given above a small part of similar words that just we know, I am sure professionals do know much more.
Mongolian Language and its dialects are very important for Turkish and need to be studied on as well.

I agree with Tuvan dialect.

[Kaptan-i Derya]

No, I do not agree with you. The laters you have mentioned are subject of the Ottoman Empire for allmost 500 years. And relatively new in case you compare with Mongolian.
Comperasion with Mongolian is totally different issue since, it gaves you chance to understand, much earlier versions of the language or the historical development. Compering the old with new is something different then compering it latest. And in fact, we have not quite a few but quite good number of similar words with Mongolian. Those, given above a small part of similar words that just we know, I am sure professionals do know much more.
Mongolian Language and its dialects are very important for Turkish and need to be studied on as well.

The "yasa" of Chinghiz khaan is more similar to our Turkic then the Mongolian spoken now, Mongolians where after Chinghiz khaan and Kubilay khan heavily influenced by the Manchu's, since they where ruled by them and Turkic people not. The only mongolian dialect i remember is Khalkha mongolian, which is heavily influenced by Turkic language's.

[Destankutluhan]

The "yasa" of Chinghiz khaan is more similar to our Turkic then the Mongolian spoken now, Mongolians where after Chinghiz khaan and Kubilay khan heavily influenced by the Manchu's, since they where ruled by them and Turkic people not. The only mongolian dialect i remember is Khalkha mongolian, which is heavily influenced by Turkic language's.

Mongolian has two main dialect one is spoken in Mongolian State and part of Siberia, called Khalkha, the other one spoken mostly in South or Inner Mongloia, an Autonomus Region of China, I do not remember exactly the name now but related to Erdos or Oriat ( ?)
The importancy of Mongolian language studies is to understand our own language more since there are quire good number similar words and once we have leaved together for centuries. Therefor, it is a very valuable source for Turkish.

[orhan7]

Türk Dil Kurumu'nun verdiği bilgilere göre, şu 13 sözcük moğolcadan türkçeye geçmiş:

cebe
ceren
ceylan
cıda
cilasun
çıdam
giray
kaburga
keşik
koşun
kurultay
maral
şölen

[Kaptan-i Derya]

Mongolian has two main dialect one is spoken in Mongolian State and part of Siberia, called Khalkha, the other one spoken mostly in South or Inner Mongloia, an Autonomus Region of China, I do not remember exactly the name now but related to Erdos or Oriat ( ?)
The importancy of Mongolian language studies is to understand our own language more since there are quire good number similar words and once we have leaved together for centuries. Therefor, it is a very valuable source for Turkish.

Why do you check mongolian for a valuable source for Turkish language? Check out Chuvash, Tuvan and Sakha dialect. They are the oldest Turkic languages still living.

[Destankutluhan]

Why do you check mongolian for a valuable source for Turkish language? Check out Chuvash, Tuvan and Sakha dialect. They are the oldest Turkic languages still living.

There is two main language familiy of Altay group; Turkish and Mongolian.
Therefore it gives you a chance to compare from different aspect and it is valuable.
The ones you have mentioned are our own familiy dialects and sure are very very valuable.

No contradiction.

[MUHLIS]

Dears, please remember that Uyghur language have largely influenced Mongolian in the past. Since Mongolians themselved did not have written language, they often hired Uygurs to serve in their offices. Mongolian and Turkic languages are related, but through this historical interaction, I think, many Turkic words of newer age might have entered Mongolian. LEt us take depter (notebook) - this word has Persian roots and most probably entered Mongolian through Uyghur language.

[bacha]

Dears, please remember that Uyghur language have largely influenced Mongolian in the past. Since Mongolians themselved did not have written language, they often hired Uygurs to serve in their offices. Mongolian and Turkic languages are related, but through this historical interaction, I think, many Turkic words of newer age might have entered Mongolian. LEt us take depter (notebook) - this word has Persian roots and most probably entered Mongolian through Uyghur language.
Because some Uighurs used to write for Mongols, the whole language structure has changed. Absurdity!

Leave alone words, even their grammar, the way words come, the way they are structured, the way verbs form tenses, everything is similar... and it is all because of some uighur writers who used to write for mongols.

My opinion: Turks and Mongols are like Russians and Ukrainians. Brothers for Life! Moreover, all turks around the globe are originally from Mongolia, so we can say mongol language is the mother of all turkic languages.

[Abu-Hafiza]

Bacha, strongly disagree
1. Turks came from the banks of Yenisey (modern day Russia). Orhun-Yenisey writings is the oldest Turkic writings in the world
2. Mongols are different tribe and different nation
The reason two languages are so simmilar is because Turks and Mongols lived next to each other for CENTURIES. Many of the tribes mixed with one another. Naymans and other mongol tribes were completely different and (even in the mongolian books, like The Secret History of Genghis Khan and others there are distinktions between Tatars, Mongols, Naimans and Uygurs).
3. Uygur alphabet was THE FIRST ALPHABET that mongols used, thus the language was influenced by Uygurs
4. Many mongol words found their way into Turkish also, like Qurultoy, Yasa and so on. This is after Mongolian rule over Central Asia and Turkic nations.

[Temur]

Sцyler misiniz, moğolca Tьrkзeye benziyor mu?
Biliyorsanız bunu цrnekleriyle aзıklarmısınız.

ha oxshaydu. Turkcha va boshqa Turki tillar,Majarcha Mogolcha,Korean,Yaponcha Ural Altay Til Gurubundadir unda bu tillarin hammasi oxshamaqtadir.

[Qarama]

...
My opinion: Turks and Mongols are like Russians and Ukrainians. Brothers for Life! Moreover, all turks around the globe are originally from Mongolia, so we can say mongol language is the mother of all turkic languages.

hmm and my opinion is that because the indo-european people came from north india, indian is their mother language sounds very logical right?

[Kaptan-i Derya]

Bacha, strongly disagree
1. Turks came from the banks of Yenisey (modern day Russia). Orhun-Yenisey writings is the oldest Turkic writings in the world Those are well in the borders of Mongolia, Cenghiz khan build up his capital city on a old Gök Türük capital (Otuken).

I agree with the rest.

[Kaptan-i Derya]

hmm and my opinion is that because the indo-european people came from north india, indian is their mother language sounds very logical right?

It is very "logic" to bacha, im sure he will agree with u :D

[bacha]

hmm and my opinion is that because the indo-european people came from north india, indian is their mother language sounds very logical right?
Absolutely right. Sanskrit, old hindi language, is the mother of all indo-european languages. All of these languages are somehow related to each other, and most of all, they are related to sanskrit. There are tables of the way they count, the most common words and so on.

But, indo-european is a large family.

And turkish and mongolian are related to each other much closer than for example french and english.

A turkish speaker(uzbek, kazah, kirgiz) will speak mongolian in a metter of two-three months, a soldier who served in Mongolia would say that.

And as an English speaker, sixth year now, still studying French.

[bacha]

Bacha, strongly disagree
1. Turks came from the banks of Yenisey (modern day Russia). Orhun-Yenisey writings is the oldest Turkic writings in the world
2. Mongols are different tribe and different nation
The reason two languages are so simmilar is because Turks and Mongols lived next to each other for CENTURIES. Many of the tribes mixed with one another. Naymans and other mongol tribes were completely different and (even in the mongolian books, like The Secret History of Genghis Khan and others there are distinktions between Tatars, Mongols, Naimans and Uygurs).
3. Uygur alphabet was THE FIRST ALPHABET that mongols used, thus the language was influenced by Uygurs
4. Many mongol words found their way into Turkish also, like Qurultoy, Yasa and so on. This is after Mongolian rule over Central Asia and Turkic nations.
Look, I searched on this metter.

Everywhere they talk about relationship between two languages. There are two schools, one puts both languages in mongolic group, and one seperates altaic languages to mongolic and turkic. I even found glossaries, and read them. These languages are so close to each other.

About outlook. Look at kazahs, kirgiz and mongols. Aren`t they the same?

I know why you don`t want to associate with them, because of their being under-developed, because they are not muslims and so on. Yet, kazahs are claiming for Chengiz Khan, uzbeks are claiming for Temurlang. Contradictions after contradictions, and still you people say `we are different groups, blah blah`. Mongols you are. Congratulations!

[Qarama]

Absolutely right. Sanskrit, old hindi language, is the mother of all indo-european languages. All of these languages are somehow related to each other, and most of all, they are related to sanskrit. There are tables of the way they count, the most common words and so on.

But, indo-european is a large family.

And turkish and mongolian are related to each other much closer than for example french and english.

A turkish speaker(uzbek, kazah, kirgiz) will speak mongolian in a metter of two-three months, a soldier who served in Mongolia would say that.

And as an English speaker, sixth year now, still studying French.

well... i'm not sure about mongolian and if i can learn it easily. What i mean is i would not understand one word if a mongol would start to speak in mongolian with me.

And there is another interessting fact that i (oguz turk) do understand uzbek more then turkmen which is also oguz?

[Abu-Hafiza]

Look, I searched on this metter.

Everywhere they talk about relationship between two languages. There are two schools, one puts both languages in mongolic group, and one seperates altaic languages to mongolic and turkic. I even found glossaries, and read them. These languages are so close to each other.

About outlook. Look at kazahs, kirgiz and mongols. Aren`t they the same?

I know why you don`t want to associate with them, because of their being under-developed, because they are not muslims and so on. Yet, kazahs are claiming for Chengiz Khan, uzbeks are claiming for Temurlang. Contradictions after contradictions, and still you people say `we are different groups, blah blah`. Mongols you are. Congratulations!
Did you know that original Turkic tribes were considered to be blue eyed pale skinned people? Turks existed BEFORE gengiz khan, so did mongols and people who claim gengiz khan to be of them are claiming it for glory not for genetics. It is the same with Ibn sina, is he persian or turkic?

I did mention that there were many inter-marriages and mix of culture, but the fact remains-mongols and turks are from different backgrounds

[bacha]

Did you know that original Turkic tribes were considered to be blue eyed pale skinned people? Turks existed BEFORE gengiz khan, so did mongols and people who clame gengiz khan to be of them are claiming it for glory not for genetics. It is the same with Ibn sina, is he persian or turkic?

I did mention that there were many inter-marriages and mix of culture, but the fact remains-mongols and turks are from different backgrounds
Whatever man. You are just saying same thing over and over.

The blue eyed and etc., c`mon, it doesn`t make sense.

Sometimes it is sufficient to use just a common sense to comprehend things.

Turks were nomads, meaning `kuchmanchi`? Yes, absolutely all of them once were nomads.

Turks, did they looked like mongols? Yes, and some of them still do. Are they originally from territories were current mongolia is? Yes, they are from there and territories around there.

What was their religion before islam? Shamanizm, the same religion mongols had then and have now.

And finally, are the turkic languages and mongol language related? Yes, grammatically and with plenty of common words.

[Abu-Hafiza]

bacha, you are talking with no proof. This is what I call "speculation". the fact is that all of the archeology, genecology and history has unveiled is that Mongols and Turks are different nations and different languages.

[bacha]

bacha, you are talking with no proof. This is what I call "speculation". the fact is that all of the archeology, genecology and history has unveiled is that Mongols and Turks are different nations and different languages.
oh you need proof...

what was capital city of Mongolia? Ulanbator.

What does it mean? Dead braveman.

How it can be translated to Uzbek? Ulgan botir.

More proofs? :lool:

[Abu-Hafiza]

anyways, tog'dan kelsa bog'dan kelasiz. I think it is useless to have any plausable discussion on this so lets just agree to disagree

[Destankutluhan]

A turkish speaker(uzbek, kazah, kirgiz) will speak mongolian in a metter of two-three months, a soldier who served in Mongolia would say that.

And as an English speaker, sixth year now, still studying French.

No it won't be so quick, it really needs time. However, dificulty is on speaking not on grammar; they have more back and round sound and too much rolling. A Turk won't be to undersand Mongolian Language if doesn't study at least a year.

[MUHLIS]

Because some Uighurs used to write for Mongols, the whole language structure has changed. Absurdity!
Leave alone words, even their grammar, the way words come, the way they are structured, the way verbs form tenses, everything is similar... and it is all because of some uighur writers who used to write for mongols.

My opinion: Turks and Mongols are like Russians and Ukrainians. Brothers for Life! Moreover, all turks around the globe are originally from Mongolia, so we can say mongol language is the mother of all turkic languages.
Dear bacha, I don't stop wondering why you always misread my posts and draw illogical and falce conclusions. The highlighted statement IS NOT what I wrote or even implied!

I never said that "Mongolian language structure has changed". Where did you get this? From somewhere through the whole of your back pocket???
I only mentioned that since Mongolians did not have writing, Uyghurs handled the things related to writing in their government. Yes origins of Mongolian and Turkic are the same and Uyghur influence just contributed more to the similarities of these languages.
Do you ever read previous posts when you write about a certain topic, especially when you call someone's words "absurd"? I bet you don't, so I am quoting my previous post
What are we discussing here? OF course it resembles to Turkic! Even the name "Mongol" is believed to have Turkic etymology. As we know mongol is western pronounciation of original "mo'g'ul". Mo'g'ul-mo'nglug'. Mo'nglug' sopunds as mungli in modern Uzbek and means "suffering" (noun), "sad".....Before Timuchin's rise, mongols were very poor and marginalized tribe.

[MUHLIS]

Alloh Odam Atoni yaratdi.
Insoniyat hozirgiga o'xshagan iflos ishlari uchun la'natlandi.
Nuh alayhissalomning kemasidagilargina tirik qoldilar.
Nuh a.s.ning 3 o'g'illari bo'lgan:
Hom avlodlari: Habashlar.
Som avlodlari: hind-fors-evropaliklar
Yafas avlodlari: osiyoliklar.
Shunday rivoyat bor:
Bir kuni daraht ko'lankasida Nuh a.s. uhlab yotganlarida el esib u zotning avratlarini ochib yuboradi. Voqeaga guvoh bo'lgan uch o'g'ilning kattasi Hom hiringlab kuladi, o'rtanchasi Som kulma ahir otamizku deydi, kichik o'g'li Yofas esa indamasdan otasining avratini berkitadi.....
Yofasning o'g'li Turkdan barcha Turk millatlari tarqalgan. Qissasi Rabg'uziy, Abulg'ozi Bahodirxon.

[Destankutluhan]

I agree with MUHLIS that it is the Uygurs created Mongolian alphabet at the request of Chengis Khan (today still in use in Inner Mongolia Autonomous Region of PRChina), and they /Uygurs seemingly borrowed it from Sogdian in the old times. Also it is very normal Uygurs being a bridge on transferring some words like Depter, Sandil (chair) to Mongolian.
By the way Mongolian also at the request of Chengiz Khan invited a Tibetian Lama, called Pagaspha to create an alphabet, however this one mor complex and not very effective to use. Today still there are books with this alphabet.

Regards

[serbaz]

moğolca bir ural-altay dili olduğu iзin tьrkзeye benzerlikleri olduğunu sцyleyebilirim. Ancak aynı kцkten uzun zaman zaman цnce ayrıldıkları iзin farklılıklar birbirimizi anlayamayacağımız kadar зoktur.

Benzerliklere цrnek istemişsin Kцk ve Gцk kelimeleri ;)

[Demir Kağan]

Tabii ki Mogolca diye bir dil var.

Eger oglum olursa adini Mogolca 'Savasci' koymak istiyorum. Arayan mevlasini da bulurmus belasini da. 'Baildagchi' ;)

[Gobustan]

Moğol dilinin Türk diline benzerliği yoktur. Tamam, çok az sayıda benzer kelimeler ola bilir. Moğolca ile Türkçeyi yakın eden onların grammatik kuruluşlarıdır. Bu da tabiidir, çünki her ikisi Altay dil ailesi mensub iltisagi dillerdir.
Bakın hatta bir-birinden зok uzak Tьrk lehçeleri (mesela Türkiye ve Saka) arasında da hiç olmazsa, rakamlar 100 de 100 aynı.
Ama moğolcada rakamlar bile bizimkilerle aynı değil.

[uyghurmen]

turks are not mongols!
ulanbaatar doesnt mean цlgдn batur(dead hero).it means red hero.
there are many similarities between turks and mongols.
but they are originally not same.
Uyghurs once used arabic alphabet.by the end of 20th century,literal Uyghur almost become persian or arabic,even in grammatical structure.
religion heavily affected us.
also did uyghur to mongolian.
look at their buddhist texts: sudur for sutra.tayto for datang.sangha for samgha.bichig for bitig.nom for nom.there are many words came form uyghur.
in fact,they can directly take the words form sanskrit and chinese,but they didnt.because they tooke the alphbet from uyghurs and their teachers are uyghurs.there were 30 or more uyghur scholars in mongolian hanlin academy.
even some uyghurs participated to write the secret history.
the original turks didnt look like mongols.
for example:Dinglings,gaoches etc,have blue eye red hair.
if you dont believe,you can take a look the chinese historians books on Uyghurs.They depicted that Uyghurs were and are Caucaoid people,though mixed with mongols in some extent.you know it is inevitable,because our lands was occupied by them.They raped,killed...
they even raped and killed persians and arabs.
so thats the reason why you also can find some mongolian looking people among persians and arabs.
the russians (rus milleti) in china completely look like chinese.they even have chinese names and speak chinese.
you come to china and see them if you dont believe.
but chinese dont say russians are mongolians because of the russians in china.
so what you say?

[uyghurmen]

mongolian uyghur
nige bir
qoyar ikki
ghurba uch
dorbe tort
tabu besh
jirghugha alte
dologha yette
naima sekkiz
yisu toqquz
arba on
qori yigirme
ghuchi ottuz
dochi qiriq
tabi ellik
jira altmish
dala yetmish
naya seksen
yere toqsan
jaghu yuz
minggha ming
tume tumen(on ming)
bum yuz ming
saya milyon
jiwa on milyon
dunggisьr yuz milyon

[Bilge_Kagan]

çai Çay

Cay is Chinese as i know.

Turks came from the banks of Yenisey (modern day Russia). Orhun-Yenisey writings is the oldest Turkic writings in the world

En eski Turk yazitlari bunlar degiller, benim bildigim kadariyla en eskisi Bugut Yazitlari. Bunlardan daha eski olanlar da var ancak dikili kaziklarin vs. uzerine yazildiklarindan zamanla asinip okunmaz hale gelmisler.

Orhun-Yenisey Yazitlari, "Turk alfabesiyle yazilan ilk yazitlar"dir. Bundan once Sogd alfabesi kullaniliyordu butun yazitlarda.

[uyghurmen]

the grammar of Turkish and Mongolian are almost the same.look at the following sentences:
bi chimayi tusalay-a ada.
men sanga yardem berey.
ben sana yardem edecegim.
bi chimadur nigen argh-a jighaju ogsugei.
men sanga bir amalni dep berey.
ben sana bir amalni soyleyecegim.
bide odo ghadaghadu kele surchu bain-a.
biz hazir chet'el tili oginiwatimiz.
biz shimdi yabanci dil ogreniyoruz.
marghashi-acha ekileged shin-e ajil-du oron-a da.
ertedin bashlap yengi xizmetni orunlaymiz.
yarindan bashlap yeni ish ishliyoruz.
tere morin-u guyuku ni qurdun bain-a da.
bu atning yugurishi tez iken.
bu atin yurushi chabuk ermish.

now look at the words.there are also some similarities:
mongolian uyghur english

arad xelq people
aqamad pishqedem elders
alta altun gold
amta tem smell,taste
ere er man
erdemten alim scholar
erte ertigen morning
em-e ayal woman
ilgha-gha perq differentitae (ilgha ,in uyghur it means choose,select)
sain yaxshi good
uile ish thing,business,matter
modo derext wood
odon yultuz star
usu su water
utugh-a is,tutun smoke
ondor igiz high
osolte os grow
ongge ong,reng colour
uxer kala,okuz, ox
ujugur uch top part of a thing
ta siz you,Sie
ene bu this
tere u that
namur bahar autumn
nokor yoldash comrade
taniqu tonimaq recognise
yabun-a yur-,mang- go
iren-e kel- come
ghar qol hand
nara kun,quyash sun
elesu qum sand

jam yol road
jijig kichik small
chasu qar snow
chagh waqit,chagh time
checheg chechek,gul flower
chochiqu chochi- to surprise
echige ata,dada father
shatu shota,pelempey step
yamar nime what

bayan bay rich
beye beden body
takiy-a toxu chicken
yasu songek bone
egechi acha older

[deyrambel]

Birbirine benzeyen bir kaç moğolca-türkçe kelime
Quelques mots mongols et turcs qui se ressemblent.

MOĞOLCA- TÜRKÇE

Aga (büyük kardeş) Aga
Bahatur (yiğit, kahraman) Bahadır
Çağ (zaman) Çağ (zaman, bin yıl)
çai Çay
Çeçek Çiçek
Çerig (asker) Çeri
Çü (gerçekten) Çün, çünkü
Eke (anne) Eke (abla, kraliçe)
Ekin (başlangıç) Erken
Elçi Elçi
Em (ilaç) Em (ilaç, çare)
Ere (adam, koca) Er
Yal (ateş) Yalaz (ateş, kor)
Cicik (küçük) Küçük, cücük
Cil (yıl) Yıl
Köke (gök, mavi) Gök
Küçün Güç (Kayseri’de gücün derler)
Mal (büyük baş hayvan) Mal
Modun (ağaç) Odun
Narin Narin
Obuğ (kabile) Oba
Ordu (kamp, saray) Ordu
Kağan Kağan
Kamuğ (hepsi) Kamu (halk, hepsi, tümü)
Kan Han
Kara Kara
Katun Hatun
Sabung Sabun
Sandali Sandalye
Tamga Damga
Temür Demir
Tingri Tanrı
Tosun Tosun
Törü Töre
Tümen (on bin) Tümen
Ulus Ulus
Üre Ürün
Üye (eklem) Üye (aza)
Yara Yara
guldurmeyin insani ya cai heryerde cai adi ile bilinir -cogu yerde cai caidir

[Qarama]

http://userpage.fu-berlin.de/~corff/im/Sprache/hugjilt.unx