Resume, Cover Letters

[WASP]

Post any questions/concerns regarding resumes, cover letters, interships and/or jobs and networking here. Also, you are welcome to share any of your personal experiences (interviews, networking, interships etc) with the rest of us.


All irrelevant posts will be deleted!

[illusion]

WASP, can i plz ask you to post your personal cover letter for a job? I'm just being curious, I've got one cover letter ready for a job I was going to apply, but I still haven't sent it, since I'm not quite satisfied with it...I think, I've listed too much information and an employer will just get bored by reading my cover letter...

Moreover, my resume is pretty long too. It's two pages long and the font is 11, which is not quite normal for a college graduate...What would you suggest? Cut some info or leave it as it is?

[noodles]

WASP, can i plz ask you to post your personal cover letter for a job? I'm just being curious, I've got one cover letter ready for a job I was going to apply, but I still haven't sent it, since I'm not quite satisfied with it...I think, I've listed too much information and an employer will just get bored by reading my cover letter...

I'd appreciate such help as well.

[WASP]

WASP, can i plz ask you to post your personal cover letter for a job? I'm just being curious, I've got one cover letter ready for a job I was going to apply, but I still haven't sent it, since I'm not quite satisfied with it...I think, I've listed too much information and an employer will just get bored by reading my cover letter...

Moreover, my resume is pretty long too. It's two pages long and the font is 11, which is not quite normal for a college graduate...What would you suggest? Cut some info or leave it as it is?

illusion,

Unless you are applying for an executive position, your resume should not exceed one page! It does not matter how much experience you've got, your resume should contain experiences and skills that are ONLY relevant to the job you are applying to. I would certainly contribute my feedback on both your cover letter and resume, if you are willing to PM it to me or post it here (in case you would like more suggestions on it).

Besides, your cover letter should be as original as possible to grab the employer's attention. Remember first impression is very important! If you think it is a boring cover letter, it probably is. Work on making it more original and try not to use too much "I" and "my" in it. And last but not least, do not mention the skills and experiences mentioned in the resume already, otherwise you will be repeating yourself; you have to be more personal in your cover letter and let the employer know that you are the best candidate for the job.

Regarding my personal cover letter, I have not finished working on it yet. As soon as I am done with it I promise to post it here.

[illusion]

Thanks a lot, I'll try to cut some unrelevent information in my resume (regardless of the fact that I think everything is relevent...I guess, I'll just have to rank all of those experiences and choose the ones with the highest rank)...

I'll be waiting for the sample of yr cover letter/resume...Just PM it to me...

Thanks,
illusion

[Tokugawa]

Very helpful topic indeed. Personally, I would like to know about the process flow from entering the university to graduation and recruitment in US and Europe.

Since Forumers from Japan are minority here, I decided to give information on situation in Japan, which might interest those in US and Europe.

General case (suppose student "Tanaka" entered the university in 2000 and graduates in 2004):

Academic year in Japan begins in April and ends in March of the next year, with rare cases when school applies American academic year. 1st semester (also called "summer semester") is from April to the end of July. There is holiday in first week of May - Golden Week (GW). August and September would be a summer holiday. Duration of 2nd semester (winter semester) is from October to mid-February, with 10 days (approx) of Christmas and New Year holidays. 2nd half of February and March is a spring holiday. One academic year ends.

Considering job issues starts when a student becomes junior (exeptions are "active" freshmen and sophomores who begin to apply for internship 1-2 year earlier than most do).

Tanaka enrolls in one of "so-called" seminar courses, which defines his specific major, having a designated professor who coordinates him for 2 years until graduation. Soon he gets first notification from University's Recruitment Support Office in April of 2002 to register for recruitment support and career consulting. Tanaka registers and starts to get numerous catalogs from companies making recruits . Besides university, student can gather information and catalogs using services of private companies (biggest is RECRUIT CO.,LTD.).

By May - June of 2002 Tanaka takes part in seminars organized by companies interested in finding valuable human power. These seminars are held at university to attract more students and main topic would usually be isntroducing the company and giving information on available internships. Seminars are often held jointly (ex: Sony, Asahi Chemicals, Morgan Stanley Jp., Link and Motivation held it together on same day). Internship applications are made in the end of July. If Tanaka is willing and lucky enough, he is accepted to Summer Internship. Internships last for 1 week at least and 3 months at most. Usual internship period would be August and September. The number of internships for winter holiday is very few. Applications entry for Tanaka starts from November 2002 (early starters are financial companies, consulting agencies, investment banks etc. "elite" companies with probable high salaries) and may last till the end of June 2003. Application process and duration varies from company to company. By April- May 2003 , when they turn senior,most of students already know which company he/she will be working after graduation.

The given flow applies for 60% of students (undergrads mostly). About 20% - 25% goes for Graduate Schools. Some 8% - 10% do not follow this standard pattern. 3% - 5% establish their own business (mostly before graduation).

Note: this information is based on my personal observations, not on exact statistical data. I emphasised business/economics/law majors.

[Uzbekxonim]

One day I also faced this problem - to write cover letter, note.

here you can find an information on writing a cover letter : http://www.quintcareers.com/cover_letter_basics.html

I hope this web page will help veryone in need.

[Royal]

One day I also faced this problem - to write cover letter, note.

here you can find an information on writing a cover letter : http://www.quintcareers.com/cover_letter_basics.html

I hope this web page will help veryone in need.



Manimcha oddie holda tepada ortada:
Ismi Familiya (bortirilgan holda)
Toliq Turar joy Adresi
telefonlar

bosa bolishi kerak

[Martingale]

Manimcha oddie holda tepada ortada:
Ismi Familiya (bortirilgan holda)
Toliq Turar joy Adresi
telefonlar

bosa bolishi kerak

Just name, address, telephone. anything else?:twisted:

[Royal]

Just name, address, telephone. anything else?:twisted:
that should do!

Anything else?

[Martingale]

that should do!

Anything else?

is it supposed to be a rhetoric question or you are asking me?:shock:
I think a resume should be built depending on what's your current path, where you are heading to. I can't tell much about it right now cause Im not sure that mine is in good shape. Gotta work on it, some extracurricular stuff(BS:D ) and some good experience in a relevant field.

[Royal]

is it supposed to be a rhetoric question or you are asking me?:shock:
I think a resume should be built depending on what's your current path, where you are heading to. I can't tell much about it right now cause Im not sure that mine is in good shape. Gotta work on it, some extracurricular stuff(BS:D ) and some good experience in a relevant field.

Laziz You mix one with other
or I understand worng
could be, but here was uqestion regarding the "cover letter" - "Letter Head"

it was not right ?

[Arti]

Laziz You mix one with other
or I understand worng
could be, but here was uqestion regarding the "cover letter" - "Letter Head"

it was not right ?

As I remember "Cover letter" and "Letter head" are not same things.

Cheers,
Arti

[Uzbekxonim]

Actually completely different things, Royal.

As I remember "Cover letter" and "Letter head" are not same things.


Cheers,
Arti

[Dilshodius]

Very helpful topic indeed. Personally, I would like to know about the process flow from entering the university to graduation and recruitment in US and Europe.

Since Forumers from Japan are minority here, I decided to give information on situation in Japan, which might interest those in US and Europe.

General case (suppose student "Tanaka" entered the university in 2000 and graduates in 2004):

Academic year in Japan begins in April and ends in March of the next year, with rare cases when school applies American academic year. 1st semester (also called "summer semester") is from April to the end of July. There is holiday in first week of May - Golden Week (GW). August and September would be a summer holiday. Duration of 2nd semester (winter semester) is from October to mid-February, with 10 days (approx) of Christmas and New Year holidays. 2nd half of February and March is a spring holiday. One academic year ends.

Considering job issues starts when a student becomes junior (exeptions are "active" freshmen and sophomores who begin to apply for internship 1-2 year earlier than most do).

Tanaka enrolls in one of "so-called" seminar courses, which defines his specific major, having a designated professor who coordinates him for 2 years until graduation. Soon he gets first notification from University's Recruitment Support Office in April of 2002 to register for recruitment support and career consulting. Tanaka registers and starts to get numerous catalogs from companies making recruits . Besides university, student can gather information and catalogs using services of private companies (biggest is RECRUIT CO.,LTD.).

By May - June of 2002 Tanaka takes part in seminars organized by companies interested in finding valuable human power. These seminars are held at university to attract more students and main topic would usually be isntroducing the company and giving information on available internships. Seminars are often held jointly (ex: Sony, Asahi Chemicals, Morgan Stanley Jp., Link and Motivation held it together on same day). Internship applications are made in the end of July. If Tanaka is willing and lucky enough, he is accepted to Summer Internship. Internships last for 1 week at least and 3 months at most. Usual internship period would be August and September. The number of internships for winter holiday is very few. Applications entry for Tanaka starts from November 2002 (early starters are financial companies, consulting agencies, investment banks etc. "elite" companies with probable high salaries) and may last till the end of June 2003. Application process and duration varies from company to company. By April- May 2003 , when they turn senior,most of students already know which company he/she will be working after graduation.

The given flow applies for 60% of students (undergrads mostly). About 20% - 25% goes for Graduate Schools. Some 8% - 10% do not follow this standard pattern. 3% - 5% establish their own business (mostly before graduation).

Note: this information is based on my personal observations, not on exact statistical data. I emphasised business/economics/law majors.

Thank you Tokugawa for such deliberate answer. Now, at least, I have some infromation about interships in Japan. Still, I have a question for you. I would be very grateful if you could answer on it and give me some tips.

Is there any programs or interships (preferably paid, i.e. which covers all the fees or some of the fees) for undegradute American students or international students enrolled at American colleges? If you know some, please, PM [verb] me.

This question is not only for Tokugawa, but for everyone who knows anything about programs and interships in Japan and those who had an expirience of studying in Japan for summer, or one semester or even a whole year. If you do have some information, again, please PM me.

One more question: Does undergraduate american student need to know Japanese in order to apply for internship or some programs in Japan ? I know, it depends on the kind of internship and it's requirements, but I'm still feel like asking this question.

Thank you in advance.

Dilshod

[Tokugawa]

Dear Dilshod,

Thank you Tokugawa for such deliberate answer. Now, at least, I have some infromation about interships in Japan. Still, I have a question for you. I would be very grateful if you could answer on it and give me some tips.

Is there any programs or interships (preferably paid, i.e. which covers all the fees or some of the fees) for undegradute American students or international students enrolled at American colleges? If you know some, please, PM [verb] me.

This question is not only for Tokugawa, but for everyone who knows anything about programs and interships in Japan and those who had an expirience of studying in Japan for summer, or one semester or even a whole year. If you do have some information, again, please PM me.

Since this might interest other forumers, I decided to post here. I do not think it is a frequently practiced case to come for doing internship in Japan being enrolled in US based college/university. But this doesn't mean it is impossible. Since normal (average) Japanese students are very passive in this internship stuff, not many companies put big effort on organizing internships.

Most of existing internships are not paid, only some do. Even if paid maximum that you can expect is transportation fees etc.


One more question: Does undergraduate american student need to know Japanese in order to apply for internship or some programs in Japan ? I know, it depends on the kind of internship and it's requirements, but I'm still feel like asking this question.

Thank you in advance.

Dilshod

Even if it doesn't state in application requirements, yes you need Japanese. My personal opinion is also there is no meaning to do anything in Japan without knowing (or willing to learn) Japanese.

PS: I think if you are really interested, you must better consider your own case as "unique" and not necessarily follow the precedent ones. Try contact the companies directly a bit before intership entries start. I can list up companies with available internships and their requirements for coming season (this will take a while).

[Tokugawa]

For people who are interested in getting job in Japan.
There is a fair in SF and LA in this October. Please visit http://kaigai.rikunabi.com/wccf/index-e.html

PS: I have seen many websites with job (internship) offerings here, but unfortunately almost all of them require good/fluent Japanese.

[Queen]

Somebody in this forum suggested a book "Gallery of Best reumes for people without a four-year degree" 3rd edition. I bought this book and it worths buying. So, i'd suggest this book for undergraduates who just began working on their resume. Each reume in that book is very persuasive. Also there are several sample cover letters.

[illusion]

WASP, i'm still waitin';)

[WASP]

see PM please.

[Martingale]

see PM please.

WASP - Too late!:) I have already saved it to my computer and have honor to use it for my further applications. Thanks!

[WASP]

Damn it. Too fast eh?

I spent hours of preparing that cover letter, though it seems like nothing special. When you put that cover letter together with my resume it makes much more sense and that was exactly my purpose. My cover letter invites the employer to read my resume... but if you use it and employers don't find a match between the resume and "my" cover letter. I have to say it will dissappoint them. Not the outcome you are looking for... :P

[Martingale]

Damn it. Too fast eh?

I spent hours of preparing that cover letter, though it seems like nothing special. When you put that cover letter together with my resume it makes much more sense and that was exactly my purpose. My cover letter invites the employer to read my resume... but if you use it and employers don't find a match between the resume and "my" cover letter. I have to say it will dissappoint them. Not the outcome you are looking for... :P

Don't worry!;) I will tailor it my way, I just needed a template. BTW, it actually DOES match up with my resume. :lol:

[WASP]

Haha. Well, there are many more better templates online, if that is what you are looking for. You are welcome to tailor it, but I would suggest to take the real way and prepare one that really matches your background. Besides, I am sure you can write one that would sound better than that... that one I use for lower tier companies and mass mailling. A good cover should contain some interesting fact about the company you're applying to.

[WASP]

By the way, which firms are you targeting? What have you done so far? I guess both of us, just like many, are looking for internships... so perhaps it is best mutually if we share some strategies?

[Martingale]

Haha. Well, there are many more better templates online, if that is what you are looking for. You are welcome to tailor it, but I would suggest to take the real way and prepare one that really matches your background. Besides, I am sure you can write one that would sound better than that... that one I use for lower tier companies and mass mailling. A good cover should contain some interesting fact about the company you're applying to.

Sure, it will cover some info about the company. ;)
There are some points I would like to highlight(LOL) on your cover letter. For example, diversity. This is very important factor nowadays, althoug not many people pay great attention to it. I always try to stress it on my resume. BTW, If you send me your resume via pm, I would be glad to discuss it with you. :D

[Martingale]

By the way, which firms are you targeting? What have you done so far? I guess both of us, just like many, are looking for internships... so perhaps it is best mutually if we share some strategies?

Uhh...Don't tell me, man... Having nightmares about this sometimes...There are so many "what if" questions coming up to me.

[WASP]

Let me take a look at your resume first. Since you saw my cover letter, I think it would proper of you to share your resume.

[Martingale]

Let me take a look at your resume first. Since you saw my cover letter, I think it would proper of you to share your resume.

:D No problem, I definitely will. Cause I need some feedback. But right now Im using my university's computer. When I come back to my apartment, I will send it out to you. Meanwhile, you can leave your resume in my pm. how does it sound to you?

[WASP]

Sounds shady... I have a great deal of patience. Besides, I am sure you have used email to sent out your resume before, perhaps you should check "SENT" folder in your email account. I am sure you have your resume there...

[Martingale]

Sounds shady... I have a great deal of patience. Besides, I am sure you have used email to sent out your resume before, perhaps you should check "SENT" folder in your email account. I am sure you have your resume there...

WASP, you don't trust me?:) OK, you might be right, I should check my email.
Anyways, Im leaving this computer now and will be at home like about 2 hours since now. If you are online, I will send it to you and expect the same from you. Good luck!

[Tokugawa]

This thread was inactive for a while. I remember WASP promising to post his cover letter etc. here. ??? :D

[WASP]

Tokugawa,

It was posted and shortly after that deleted. You are late... I was not going to keep it here forever. :P

WASP

***

Someone else promised me a resume, isn't that right Lazizbek?

[Tokugawa]

WASP,

I was not aware about necessity of being on alert during the "short time when your cover letter appears" and catch it. :)

If it is still available, could you send me it (them) via PM. I was just curious to compare with (some) resumes-in-fashion here in Japan. It is not the first priority for me, but most of companies I am applying for require English written resume as well.

***
Someone else's cover letter would be interesting to read too. :D

Tokugawa,

It was posted and shortly after that deleted. You are late... I was not going to keep it here forever. :P

WASP

***

Someone else promised me a resume, isn't that right Lazizbek?

[Martingale]

***

Someone else promised me a resume, isn't that right Lazizbek?

hahaha...:D Actually I was here at scheduled time on that day(remember 2 hours after I got my home:) ). However, you didn't appear online. But the promise is still in activation, pm me your email.

p.s. I hope to hear the same action from you too.:)

[illusion]

:D No problem, I definitely will. Cause I need some feedback. But right now Im using my university's computer. When I come back to my apartment, I will send it out to you. Meanwhile, you can leave your resume in my pm. how does it sound to you?

Hey Laziz,

Don't forget to forward it to my PM as well! I would be more than happy to take a look;)

Cheers,
illusion

[Iqbol]

Maybe it will be useful for some of you:

http://www.ceu.hu/writing/sfaccess.html

PS. WASP, can I have your cover letter via PM also, pls? I wanted one in english, in need actually...

[elDoraDo]

p.s. and i've got the final result : i am starting my internship at toyota legal department tokyo branch right from my birthday.

concerning the topic, i have a presentation of one american professor about this. some good suggestions included. if any interested, pm/email.
p.s. cannot put it here, (c) stuff

btw, never 've seen this thread before.



Very helpful topic indeed. Personally, I would like to know about the process flow from entering the university to graduation and recruitment in US and Europe.

Since Forumers from Japan are minority here, I decided to give information on situation in Japan, which might interest those in US and Europe.

General case (suppose student "Tanaka" entered the university in 2000 and graduates in 2004):

Academic year in Japan begins in April and ends in March of the next year, with rare cases when school applies American academic year. 1st semester (also called "summer semester") is from April to the end of July. There is holiday in first week of May - Golden Week (GW). August and September would be a summer holiday. Duration of 2nd semester (winter semester) is from October to mid-February, with 10 days (approx) of Christmas and New Year holidays. 2nd half of February and March is a spring holiday. One academic year ends.

Considering job issues starts when a student becomes junior (exeptions are "active" freshmen and sophomores who begin to apply for internship 1-2 year earlier than most do).

Tanaka enrolls in one of "so-called" seminar courses, which defines his specific major, having a designated professor who coordinates him for 2 years until graduation. Soon he gets first notification from University's Recruitment Support Office in April of 2002 to register for recruitment support and career consulting. Tanaka registers and starts to get numerous catalogs from companies making recruits . Besides university, student can gather information and catalogs using services of private companies (biggest is RECRUIT CO.,LTD.).

By May - June of 2002 Tanaka takes part in seminars organized by companies interested in finding valuable human power. These seminars are held at university to attract more students and main topic would usually be isntroducing the company and giving information on available internships. Seminars are often held jointly (ex: Sony, Asahi Chemicals, Morgan Stanley Jp., Link and Motivation held it together on same day). Internship applications are made in the end of July. If Tanaka is willing and lucky enough, he is accepted to Summer Internship. Internships last for 1 week at least and 3 months at most. Usual internship period would be August and September. The number of internships for winter holiday is very few. Applications entry for Tanaka starts from November 2002 (early starters are financial companies, consulting agencies, investment banks etc. "elite" companies with probable high salaries) and may last till the end of June 2003. Application process and duration varies from company to company. By April- May 2003 , when they turn senior,most of students already know which company he/she will be working after graduation.

The given flow applies for 60% of students (undergrads mostly). About 20% - 25% goes for Graduate Schools. Some 8% - 10% do not follow this standard pattern. 3% - 5% establish their own business (mostly before graduation).

Note: this information is based on my personal observations, not on exact statistical data. I emphasised business/economics/law majors.

[Iqbol]

Advice for academic job seekers:
http://leiterreports.typepad.com/blog/advice_for_academic_job_seekers/index.html

[Tokugawa]

Wow, elDoraDo, my congrads. I guess it is unnecessary to mention what company Toyota is.:D

As a company (group of companies) I have a great respect towards Toyota. Its management has many alumni from the university I belong to, including President Mr. Okuda. But, since my career line would be more to finance and insurance, it is very unlikely I have something common with Toyota.

One of my friends got to (accepted as graduate recruit) Toyota Tsusho Corporation. Are you intending to join Toyota after internship, if there is such opportunity? In your place I would do so. There are a lot of chances especially in project with plant in St. Petersburg.

PS: I guess you don't live in Tokyo... For how long will you be staying in Tokyo for internship?

p.s. and i've got the final result : i am starting my internship at toyota legal department tokyo branch right from my birthday.

concerning the topic, i have a presentation of one american professor about this. some good suggestions included. if any interested, pm/email.
p.s. cannot put it here, (c) stuff

btw, never 've seen this thread before.

[elDoraDo]

Thanks a lot Tokugawa

Actually, my major has also not many things with what company's legal department do. But i thought that was a very unique opportunity, and at any cost i should use that. Thanks God, I have it now.

I don't know much about Mr. Okuda, but hope u enlighten me before me going there :) and talking about future prospects, i have only one disadvantage in this regard: the language barrier. Maybe it is good for a daily life, but not for a such great projects as St. Petersbrug. Although - let's see, chem chert ne shutit.

No i don't live in Tokyo. well I wish I did. (actually we are temporary room mates with Masa) But I'll be living in the city between 02/21 and around 03/10. So I guess there is a chance to meet closer and discuss things of life with a cup of starbucks coffee. ;)

my regards
Plant.
Wow, elDoraDo, my congrads. I guess it is unnecessary to mention what company Toyota is.:D

As a company (group of companies) I have a great respect towards Toyota. Its management has many alumni from the university I belong to, including President Mr. Okuda. But, since my career line would be more to finance and insurance, it is very unlikely I have something common with Toyota.

One of my friends got to (accepted as graduate recruit) Toyota Tsusho Corporation. Are you intending to join Toyota after internship, if there is such opportunity? In your place I would do so. There are a lot of chances especially in project with plant in St. Petersburg.

PS: I guess you don't live in Tokyo... For how long will you be staying in Tokyo for internship?

[WASP]

Two interviews with GS on 1/4 and 1/11. Wish me luck mofakas. ;)

[Tokugawa]

WASP, good luck! You will really need it with GS interviewers.

Here is a warm-up question. At GS interview one of my friends was asked "How many 100 yen coins could this room contain at maximum?".

Two interviews with GS on 1/4 and 1/11. Wish me luck mofakas. ;)

[WASP]

Many thanks! That's a pretty difficult brainteaser without knowing the room measures at least. The hardest question I have had so far was during my interview with a IB boutique: what is the sum of 1 through 100? I did not know how to answer... I just blanked, and obviously have not still heard from them, although the interview took place late October. But it was for a trading position, and I am not into being glued to a screen 8 hours straight.

[Tokugawa]

WASP, question with 100 yen coins is not asking the number, they are more looking for your approach to solve the problem (you know this);) .

PS: what is the sum of 1 through 100? => (1+100) x 50. isn't this the answer?

[WASP]

WASP, question with 100 yen coins is not asking the number, they are more looking for your approach to solve the problem (you know this);) .

PS: what is the sum of 1 through 100? => (1+100) x 50. isn't this the answer?

It is weird. I thought they ask open-ended questions to learn about your creative/problem-solving skills.

Yeah you are right, it is 5050, but I did not know how to solve that at the time of the interview.

[Tokugawa]

I haven't been to GS interview myself yet, but that was what my friend told who actually got there.

Anyway good luck!

[Martingale]

Any tips for the first round interview with JP Morgan? (Investment Management, not I-Banking).
Tomorrow gonna have one.


Here is a warm-up question. At GS interview one of my friends was asked "How many 100 yen coins could this room contain at maximum?".

Tokugawa, I assume they ask these types of questions in the second round interviews, which are supposed to be "technical", don't you think?

Also considering that this position is for regional office, not NYC, do you think I should expect technical questions in the first one too? Cause I know that those who interview with these firms usually have 3 rounds of interviews, I might be wrong though.

Any other questions?

[Amiri Turkiston]

Lazizbek ...buhgaltyeriyadan savol berishsa kerak ili USGAAP ili IAS

finansoviy analyzdan ham savollar berishadi

o'zizni juda sovuqqon tutseiz buldi
osmon uzilib erga tushsa ham o'zizni parvoizga olmasdan turing - hammasi OK buladi

[Tokugawa]

At an entry level, I really doubt that they ask buhgaltyeriya ili USGAAP ili IAS.

From my experience I can say that groups discussions (usually called GD) or short group assignments are more practiced in the 1st round interviews (this is common in IB as well as Investment Management; most consulting firms follow same pattern).

So be prepaired to situational questions.

What I always take as a priority are (1) well-organized constructive and logical answers and (2) quickly comprehend the intention of the question.

Needless to mention the importance of confident bright look, good eye contact, appropriate gestures at any round of interviews. I think WASP could give nice tips on this.

Laziz, wish you best of luck! Be it any industry, your first job should be a such "platform" that always keeps your options for a further step at maximum.

Lazizbek ...buhgaltyeriyadan savol berishsa kerak ili USGAAP ili IAS

finansoviy analyzdan ham savollar berishadi

o'zizni juda sovuqqon tutseiz buldi
osmon uzilib erga tushsa ham o'zizni parvoizga olmasdan turing - hammasi OK buladi

[Tokugawa]

Some additions:

If you have a group discussion-type interview try to focus on:
1. Time management
2. Avoid re-asking, re-confirming already stated facts
3. Clearly present your initiative

Questions for warm-up :D
- How to double the number of tourists from Japan (or US) to Mongolia?
- How many (cigarette) lighters are there in Japan (or US)?
- How to minimize traffic jams in Kanto area (Tokyo with its neighboring prefectures) by 50%?
- Is it wise to keep on with *double league baseball system in Japan? Why yes? Why not?
* there are 2 professional baseball leagues in Japan - Pacific and Central.
- How do you define "love"? (this was asked during group discussion interview of AT Kearney).
- Who is winner and who is looser in professional career?

In Japan, these sort of companies apply so-called academic background filter. Usually, from application submission step the candidates are downsized to Top 6 (refers to top 6 universities "ToKyoSoKeiIkKou").

University of Tokyo, Kyoto University, Waseda University, Keio University, Hitotsubashi University and Tokyo Institute of Technology.

As University of Tokyo is considered The Number One, often applicants from other 5 are asked "Why didn't you go to the University of Tokyo?". Think of alike case in your own situation.

Good luck one more time!

[Martingale]

Thanks Tokugawa for your input! interview is in two hours from now, which is on-campus. You are right about the schools, it's the same in US. Those firms hirle only from Ivy League + top tier schools. Im not at any of them, but this time(which is the first and maybe the last:) ) they came to our campus too. But there are some other things Im worried about. There is a little unfairness involved in this case. I was not selected as a preselect(which is employer's top choice), instead I was selected as an Alternate and some dumb people got preslected because they are the members of Banking and Finance Society. Looks like this society has some connections with these employers. In the fall, GS came to campus and preselected almost only from this society. That should've been a lesson for me and I should've joined the society. I am very bad at behavioral interviews, but we will see how things will turn out.

[Martingale]

And btw, this is not an entry level position, this is an internship position.:D

Getting full-time job in US is contingent upon many other factors including work permit.

[Amiri Turkiston]

Lazizbek nima buldi?

face/mind control. qandoq buldi?

[Martingale]

Lazizbek nima buldi?

face/mind control. qandoq buldi?

Amiri_Turkiston, uncha kungildagiday bumadi.
Manga kegancha uje kerakli 2 ta odamni topib bugan shekilli, gapimni tugatmasimdan boshqa savolga utib ketaverdi. (Uziyam ertalab 8 dan boshlagan interviewni, man bilan soat 5 da tugatdi.) Ohirida savoling ham bormi deb ham suramadi, nomard. :) Ehh, peshonadagiside...:)

[Amiri Turkiston]

Amiri_Turkiston, uncha kungildagiday bumadi.
Manga kegancha uje kerakli 2 ta odamni topib bugan shekilli, gapimni tugatmasimdan boshqa savolga utib ketaverdi. (Uziyam ertalab 8 dan boshlagan interviewni, man bilan soat 5 da tugatdi.) Ohirida savoling ham bormi deb ham suramadi, nomard. :) Ehh, peshonadagiside...:)

hafa bulmang

bu hayotning ikir chikirlari

bunisi bulmasa undan ham yahshisi chiqadi hali:D

[WASP]

Some additions:

If you have a group discussion-type interview try to focus on:
1. Time management
2. Avoid re-asking, re-confirming already stated facts
3. Clearly present your initiative

Questions for warm-up :D
- How to double the number of tourists from Japan (or US) to Mongolia?
- How many (cigarette) lighters are there in Japan (or US)?
- How to minimize traffic jams in Kanto area (Tokyo with its neighboring prefectures) by 50%?
- Is it wise to keep on with *double league baseball system in Japan? Why yes? Why not?
* there are 2 professional baseball leagues in Japan - Pacific and Central.
- How do you define "love"? (this was asked during group discussion interview of AT Kearney).
- Who is winner and who is looser in professional career?

In Japan, these sort of companies apply so-called academic background filter. Usually, from application submission step the candidates are downsized to Top 6 (refers to top 6 universities "ToKyoSoKeiIkKou").

University of Tokyo, Kyoto University, Waseda University, Keio University, Hitotsubashi University and Tokyo Institute of Technology.

As University of Tokyo is considered The Number One, often applicants from other 5 are asked "Why didn't you go to the University of Tokyo?". Think of alike case in your own situation.

Good luck one more time!

Tokuwaga,

Brain-teasers are no longer popular. I have been in the process of interviewing for over two months now with GS (2 divisions), Lehman, Dresdner, and Citi for various positions including IBD, Research and Sales... and I did not have a single brain-teaser. All of them were "fit" questions, and some basic Accounting/Finance (DCF, NPV...) and a few analytical regarding long-term and short-term interest rates, valuation methods etc. I am on the final round interviews with all of them, and hopefully I will end up somewhere.

[melo]

Just a pointer- it really deosn't matter what school you go to (even with big names - colleges generally teach the same curiculum and employers realize that)- it is all a matter of connections. I have worked with people with fancy ivy league dilpomas and they were doing the same thing I was from a state university. After you get hired- nobody cares. Heck- I even made more than them based on annual evaluations. If you don't have the connections you build them by contatcing employers you like and making yourself known there. If you spend enough energy they will start to get interested in you (assuming you are a good candidate).

[Пушкарева]

what we call "tanish-bilishchilik" in UZB, americans call "networking". I had always been against (myagko skazano) the idea of hiring "po-znakomstvu" and stuff thinking this is a shortcoming of corrupted and poor-governed states, however now I understand that this how it works everywhere. And if back home we hide who provided you with a job, here it is normal to say due to which "contacts" you got it. So guys, keep networking :)



Just a pointer- it really deosn't matter what school you go to (even with big names - colleges generally teach the same curiculum and employers realize that)- it is all a matter of connections. I have worked with people with fancy ivy league dilpomas and they were doing the same thing I was from a state university. After you get hired- nobody cares. Heck- I even made more than them based on annual evaluations. If you don't have the connections you build them by contatcing employers you like and making yourself known there. If you spend enough energy they will start to get interested in you (assuming you are a good candidate).

[melo]

At first I thought it was terrible too- but it is a reality. It is always true that you will hire someone you know and trust over someone you have never met except for an hour long interview. One difference is that you will never get a job through networking that you are not qualified for. The only way that works is if you are related to the president of the company.

what we call "tanish-bilishchilik" in UZB, americans call "networking". I had always been against (myagko skazano) the idea of hiring "po-znakomstvu" and stuff thinking this is a shortcoming of corrupted and poor-governed states, however now I understand that this how it works everywhere. And if back home we hide who provided you with a job, here it is normal to say due to which "contacts" you got it. So guys, keep networking :)

[Пушкарева]

the internship taht i have now is due to my friend (from UZB too). she used t owork here, they liked her, offered job sponsorship, but she could not stay. at that time i was looking for an internship and she told them abt it and they asked for my CV, as a result - I got the paid internship. that is due to her: her satisfactory performance made them think good abt other people form the same region (country). First guestion of both my academic and faculty advisors when they knew abt the job offer was "how di dyou find contacts to get there?" and then "we wish our domestic (i.e. US) students could get there."

so, first time in my life i got a place due to contacts.:rolleyes: in Tash - it is bad, here - it is norma and you can announce it.

At first I thought it was terrible too- but it is a reality. It is always true that you will hire someone you know and trust over someone you have never met except for an hour long interview. One difference is that you will never get a job through networking that you are not qualified for. The only way that works is if you are related to the president of the company.

[Martingale]

Just a pointer- it really deosn't matter what school you go to (even with big names - colleges generally teach the same curiculum and employers realize that)- it is all a matter of connections. I have worked with people with fancy ivy league dilpomas and they were doing the same thing I was from a state university. After you get hired- nobody cares. Heck- I even made more than them based on annual evaluations. If you don't have the connections you build them by contatcing employers you like and making yourself known there. If you spend enough energy they will start to get interested in you (assuming you are a good candidate).

atpaint, I have been researching the financial services industry for over a year now. And I know perfectly that if you want to get into Bulge Bracket(largest IB firms in US), you have to come from target schools. Period.

The other way, as you have mentioned through connections or networking. Yes, uzbechka we call them tanish bilishchilik, but here they call it networking and there is nothing bad about it.

Likewise, you might be able to get your interview if you know someone in Finance and Operations department of GS. :) So if you could, go for it! Good luck on that! But what I said is the truth!

Even if you are a superhero of your business school, if your school, doesn't have alumni at that office, recruiters will never come to your campus and don't tell me that one can get to the interview by applying online. Again, don't argue with me, cause I know this shit better than anything else.

Also, this is true for financial services industry, aprticularly for IB, but if you want to get a paid trainingship at Walgreens or Target, come to GA.:D

I guess I might end up with one of them. Holy shit!

Uzbechka, you don't wanna disclose the name of the company? :D

[Пушкарева]

it is not a company, but itnernational NGO. i am not in the finance/business field :)

Uzbechka, you don't wanna disclose the name of the company? :D

[Martingale]

it is not a company, but itnernational NGO. i am not in the finance/business field :)

Gotcha.:D worldbank?:lol:

[Пушкарева]

WB is not an NGO. It is itnernational financial institution. :))

Gotcha.:D worldbank?:lol:

[Martingale]

WB is not an NGO. It is itnernational financial institution. :))

no no no. I didn';t even pay attention to the word NGO here, although what WB does has very less to do with finance world as well.

I guess, I knew someone working there, that's why I thought you were working on some project concerning CA at WB. ok, no more guesses.:)

[Пушкарева]

how come? there is politics involved into its activity, but still it borrows money and charges interests for that.
But IDA provides development assistance at a very low or 0 % rates.

no more offtops.

although what WB does has very less to do with finance world as well.

.:)

[Martingale]

how come? there is politics involved into its activity, but still it borrows money and charges interests for that.
But IDA provides development assistance at a very low or 0 % rates.

no more offtops.

:D Uzbechka,

Almost 70% of the microloans granted by the international organizations such as WB, IMF etc. are not retained. It means they are simply involved in charity.

When I said finance, I meant pure finance.:)

Of course, WB is involved in lending out money to the 3rd world countries, but the modern finance world is very much complicated and involves many other things. Worldbank's mission is not to make money, but instead to help those countries to survive thorugh its sustainment programs. I would talk about it on and on "bir piyola kuk choy ustida":D , but enough for offtoping here.

[Пушкарева]

I would argue with the share you provided and your calling them "charitable" organizations.


:D Uzbechka,

Almost 70% of the microloans granted by the international organizations such as WB, IMF etc. are not retained. It means they are simply involved in charity.

[Tokugawa]

Agree with uzbechka_in_US.

I have witnessed several talks and visits on providing official development assistance and lost my sincere belief in truth about "charities" that developed world gives to developing countries.

99% of these "charities" come with special conditions; certain kickbacks should be done... Sorry for myopic view...

I would argue with the share you provided and your calling them "charitable" organizations.

[Tokugawa]

Tokuwaga,

Brain-teasers are no longer popular. I have been in the process of interviewing for over two months now with GS (2 divisions), Lehman, Dresdner, and Citi for various positions including IBD, Research and Sales... and I did not have a single brain-teaser. All of them were "fit" questions, and some basic Accounting/Finance (DCF, NPV...) and a few analytical regarding long-term and short-term interest rates, valuation methods etc. I am on the final round interviews with all of them, and hopefully I will end up somewhere.

WASP,

What I posted is the situation in Japan. I am aware these type of questions are old-fashioned. It really explains the major difference between (good) universities in Japan and US. Absolutely most of Japanese students are not ready for "hitting the ground running" right after the university. Therefore, top companies search for not "ready-to-work" asset, they search for recruits with good potential. They give quite long period for training at company in the beginning (afaik).

About "networking"...

In Japanese they call it "KONE", which derives from "CONNECTIONS". On overall I do not like this type of order in society (ex: when you come to an interview and can smell that everythings is already decided... or some dumb a$$ from university rugby team gets in Toyota instead of me just because some of Toyota's senior staff were formerly in this rugby team...).

But at the same time this "KONE" could be regarded as the crop of your positive activities.

PS: WASP, good luck with interviews!

[Amiri Turkiston]

Sorry for following off-top
can't stop myself from this explanation


ADB - usually they are just buying their borrowers...for example: in order to loan some big project first they are usually doing TA / PPTA projects for free, grant based, & than they are showing how necessary to borrow $ from them

EBRD - they are usually making a business...they have several thousand of companies ... plus they making $ from LIBOR during project financing

WB - too corrupted...they are between ADB/EBRD

IDB - they are mostly acting as a charitable fund ... grants....benefitial loans ...etc

[melo]

Any job following college in the business field is going to involve a lot of training at the job. Companies do not expect college graudates to know much coming into the workforce. It is just a way to evaluate possible employees. Of course- they are always going to be interested in other things besides your education. They are looking for someone with a certain background or interests. And remember- just because they are interested in you- doesn't mean you should be interested in them. Make sure to find a place that fits your interests and personalities.

[WASP]

My first call, my first offer... Goldman Sachs & Co!!!! This summer... yeeehaaaaaaaaaa!!!!!!!! Waiting for more calls... CONGRATS TO ME!!!!!!!!!!!! :D

[Masud]

My first call, my first offer... Goldman Sachs & Co!!!! This summer... yeeehaaaaaaaaaa!!!!!!!! Waiting for more calls... CONGRATS TO ME!!!!!!!!!!!! :D

Hey, bro nice job. Are you going to be interning there or employed in Goldman & Sachs.

Gongrats. Did you have any experience before calling them?
I just want to find out, if an international college graduate has potential of getting a job wiithout experience.

Congrats again
AT
P.S. What is your degree and major?

[WASP]

Well, I will be working there as a Summer Analyst, and unless you screw up during that period, they normally extend your contract to another 2 years.

I had interned at AIG and the World Bank for two summers respectively my sophomore and freshman years. However, they don't really expect you to have any experience when hiring right out of college; there's no a specific formula by which a hiring manager makes a decision... to be honest with you, they don't care. Resume is part of a screening process that recruiters use to select students for interviews. You can have 5 + experience at Fortune 5 company (not that it's very common, but for the sake of example...), but if you "f" up during the interviews, they will ding you right away...

Besides, they did not really count my experience as "relevant," so I got this job with no experience (but I was able to show them that I have a proactive personality, which is much more important). The single most important advice that I can give you is to learn how to schmooze... no, do not try to "network," I mean schmooze. Don't just look for guys who can offer you a job, rather look for friends who will help you to get a job and/or properly advice you, and really try to develop relationships.

BS in Finance, BA in Economics. I hope this helps.

[Masud]

Something on this topic.

Tuesday, February 21, 2006
CEO of Radioshack, David Edmondson, resigned on Monday due inflated resume that he had "created" to get the position of CEO.

Edmondson originally said he had received a Bachelor of Science degree, but now says he believes -- but cannot document -- that he received a ThG diploma, awarded for completing a three-year degree in theology. :)

REUTERS (http://today.reuters.com/news/newsArticleSearch.aspx?storyID=82151+21-Feb-2006+RTRS&srch=radioshack)

[WASP]

It was all over WSJ on Friday.... very funny - I think, that noone cared to do a background check on him until he bacame a CEO.

[Masud]

Well, I will be working there as a Summer Analyst, and unless you screw up during that period, they normally extend your contract to another 2 years.

I had interned at AIG and the World Bank for two summers respectively my sophomore and freshman years. However, they don't really expect you to have any experience when hiring right out of college; there's no a specific formula by which a hiring manager makes a decision... to be honest with you, they don't care. Resume is part of a screening process that recruiters use to select students for interviews. You can have 5 + experience at Fortune 5 company (not that it's very common, but for the sake of example...), but if you "f" up during the interviews, they will ding you right away...

Besides, they did not really count my experience as "relevant," so I got this job with no experience (but I showed to them that I have a proactive personality, which much more important). The single most important advice that I can give you, is to schmooze... no, do not network, I mean schmooze. Don't just look for guys who will offer you a job, look for friends who will help you to get a job.

BS in Finance, BA in Economics. I hope this helps.

Hey, thanks for such timely reply. I appreciate that.

I am going for BSAC(accounting) and BSAF(finance) degrees, double major. Finishing up with school in two years. Hoping to survive. Is your legal status an international student? or are you a Diversity Visa holder?

When did you start interning at all? I mean the first time? Did you work on any non-related side jobs before this?

Well, right now I have connection in California, whom is a CFO, in a medium communication company. I don't think talking to him about working there would be confabulation or schmoozing-as you said.

What do you think? Should I explore the vaster world of finance or start of slowly just to get a grasp?

Thanks-

[WASP]

I am an international student and am on F-1 visa. I first interned after my freshman year at the World Bank; certainly, my responsibilities were limited, but I developed certain skills there... and that's what they look for.

What I meant by schmoozing is if you know someone who is a CFO, try to develop a relationship with him, because you are interested in the field he is in - not because you want him to give you a job right away.

I am a result-oriented person, so I want to make my first million ASAP, and therefore, I have no time to start slowly. But, it really depends on your needs and values...

[WASP]

My second offer from Dresdner Kleinwort Wasserstein with IB division (totally competitive)! I am thinking about accepting it, rather than GS. If any one have any suggestions, please care to share...

[Amiri Turkiston]

WASP bro.
a butta self promotion qilib yuboribsiz ku aaa :-)

orzularizga gap yo'q

manam shunaqa orzular qiluvdim ... ettim faqat hammasiga emas :-)
hudo hohlasa deadline larni qo'yayotkanda ozgina ne realistic qaragan ekanman .... endi tushundim hatolarimni

[Пушкарева]

Yahooooooooooooooo!!!!!!!! I got a Fellowship!!!!!! Will go to Tashkent and Bishkek to conduct Client Assessment Survey for one of DC based international agencies!!!!

[WASP]

:) Congrats!!! LoL!

[Пушкарева]

Why to laugh so loud? :) Because it BIshkek and Tashkent? I could stay and continue my iternship here in ..., but I prefered field work as it is much more beneficial when later applying to job in US.

:) Congrats!!! LoL!

[WASP]

No! I was not laughing because of the nature of your job and the location where you will be working/doing work.... I was just getting excited together with you.... YahooOO!! :)

[Пушкарева]

Ah, ok! I am soooo happyyyy! Ne znayu chemu bolshe raduyus' - tomu chto proshla konkurs, ili tomu chto budu s semyoy celih 4,5 nedeli! Yahooooo!!

But thanks for sharing my joy!



No! I was not laughing because of the nature of your job and the location where you will be working/doing work.... I was just getting excited together with you.... YahooOO!! :)

[elDoraDo]

congrats

btw, i urgently need a presentation about uzb biz. environment
can anyone share this kind of material?
thanks

[Пушкарева]

go to IFC.org countries section. find Uzb they have some report on the business environment in UZB.


congrats

btw, i urgently need a presentation about uzb biz. environment
can anyone share this kind of material?
thanks

[Martingale]

I have a question. This is very important, so please be open and come up with the ideas as much as you can.

I had an interview with a company for intern position and it was a first round interview(not JPM:) ). Interview went not so good...but...whatever.

No matter whether I will be invited to the 2nd round, all aplicants shoul fill out application form and a release form. The release form kinda seems to be a background check and it asks for the driver license number. Don't laugh, but I don't have it now, as I don't have a car yet.

Now, am I screwed? how should I act? should I leave that space blank and send them a message explaining that I am gonna get driver license soon and will get a car too. I see I have no other choice. But do you think they will trust me? I think, they won't. Bitchezzz!

[Sevinch]

I have a question. This is very important, so please be open and come up with the ideas as much as you can.

I had an interview with a company for intern position and it was a first round interview(not JPM:) ). Interview went not so good...but...whatever.

No matter whether I will be invited to the 2nd round, all aplicants shoul fill out application form and a release form. The release form kinda seems to be a background check and it asks for the driver license number. Don't laugh, but I don't have it now, as I don't have a car yet.

Now, am I screwed? how should I act? should I leave that space blank and send them a message explaining that I am gonna get driver license soon and will get a car too. I see I have no other choice. But do you think they will trust me? I think, they won't. Bitchezzz!

Why do you think they won't trust you? If you have a time why don't you get one? Anyway you'll need to get driver license.If not just tell them truth i don't think it's a big deal.
Good Luck!

[melo]

I don't see why you need a driver's license. I wouldn't bother. Lots of people don't have a driver's license in the US.

[Martingale]

Why do you think they won't trust you? If you have a time why don't you get one? Anyway you'll need to get driver license.If not just tell them truth i don't think it's a big deal.
Good Luck!

you are right. I feel so stupid now for not having applied for it up to the point. I should've got it even if I didn't own a car. At least for this purpose.


atpaint,
it's not about DL, but about the number. The company needs to do a background check. This fact comes so in handy, when they don't want to hire an international.

Thanks guys, anyways. And others please, feel free to share your opinions.
Although the interview didn't go well, this might be my last chance of geting internship. Otherwise, Im screwed.

[Masud]

you are right. I feel so stupid now for not having applied for it up to the point. I should've got it even if I didn't own a car. At least for this purpose.


atpaint,
it's not about DL, but about the number. The company needs to do a background check. This fact comes so in handy, when they don't want to hire an international.

Thanks guys, anyways. And others please, feel free to share your opinions.
Although the interview didn't go well, this might be my last chance of geting internship. Otherwise, Im screwed.

I have several things to address in this post:

First, WASP did u have to get practical training from your school or did you just work without any permission. I am very interested and amused by your interning several times before you graduated, as I am in the same road.

Second, Laziz, When I got my DL, i thought about getting a job. After having my DL for 2 days, I got a job, where I am still working. In my opinion, interviews attribute to the employer if you have a purpose of being there at that time and a purpose of taking your, the employer's, and company's time. I am still working there, though.

Third, today my visa or I-20 form is going to be extended for 1,5 years.

Waiting for some comments
AT

[WASP]

heave,

Certainly, you'd have to get a permission to work whether for credit (CPT) or through authorization (OPT). I am still a junior.

WASP

[Prodigy]

Hi everybody! I am 1 st year MBA student and searching for the summer internship at the moment. I see you guys are quite aware of the industry. As Networking is getting hot topic over the internship concern Can anybody clarify for me basic steps for getting contacts (such as Career Councel, Newspapers), any tools, strategies? Many thanks

[guest2005]

Prodigy,
it is kind of late to start looking for an internship now. Most of the companies finish their hiring period by the mid April. It does not mean that you can not find an internship, but it will definitely be more difficult now.

Networking, as you have already guessed, is the single most important factor in your internship search (I presume you have correctly composed your resume and cover letters). First of all you have to know what you want to do and where you want to work. This way you will considerably ease the job of Career Development office, and other resources.

If you come to your CD office and say I want to find an allumni in Finance area they will give you 1000 names and there is little use of that. However, if you know that you would like to work in transaction services of KPMG then the CD officer will find you a RIGHT person to talk to.

You can also try online resources, like monster.com, but I have not gotten a single response from applications through monster.com. Therefore, it is always a better choice to go through university resources. Most of the companies who post their jobs through your CD office, are looking for people with your background (if they wanted Harvard MBAs, then they would go to Harvard).

But again, networking is very important even after you submit your job application. You have to continuously follow up, call and show your motivation in many different ways. However, too much contact is also not preferable. You don't want to be annoying. By the way don't get too creative in terms of networking. I screwd up with "creativity" on the last stage of interviewing process with one very respectable company. So be assertive, be motivated but always know the limit.

There is much to write about this issue, and you had better go to www.wetfeet.com or www.vault.com (the best resources for MBAs) and read what they say about networking and internship search in general. Free resources may not be as helpful, but again your CD office might have subscriptions to these websites. If not then I would highly recommend that you spend 20-50 dollars on 1 or 2 books/guides from these websites.

And finally, don't give up. Push until the last minute and you persistence will pay off.

Guest

[Prodigy]

Prodigy,
it is kind of late to start looking for an internship now. Most of the companies finish their hiring period by the mid April. It does not mean that you can not find an internship, but it will definitely be more difficult now.

Networking, as you have already guessed, is the single most important factor in your internship search (I presume you have correctly composed your resume and cover letters). First of all you have to know what you want to do and where you want to work. This way you will considerably ease the job of Career Development office, and other resources.

If you come to your CD office and say I want to find an allumni in Finance area they will give you 1000 names and there is little use of that. However, if you know that you would like to work in transaction services of KPMG then the CD officer will find you a RIGHT person to talk to.

You can also try online resources, like monster.com, but I have not gotten a single response from applications through monster.com. Therefore, it is always a better choice to go through university resources. Most of the companies who post their jobs through your CD office, are looking for people with your background (if they wanted Harvard MBAs, then they would go to Harvard).

But again, networking is very important even after you submit your job application. You have to continuously follow up, call and show your motivation in many different ways. However, too much contact is also not preferable. You don't want to be annoying. By the way don't get too creative in terms of networking. I screwd up with "creativity" on the last stage of interviewing process with one very respectable company. So be assertive, be motivated but always know the limit.

There is much to write about this issue, and you had better go to www.wetfeet.com or www.vault.com (the best resources for MBAs) and read what they say about networking and internship search in general. Free resources may not be as helpful, but again your CD office might have subscriptions to these websites. If not then I would highly recommend that you spend 20-50 dollars on 1 or 2 books/guides from these websites.

And finally, don't give up. Push until the last minute and you persistence will pay off.

Guest
Thanks Guest2005 for your attention to my post.

Actually I knew about the deadlines, but... tak slojilis obstoyatelstva bratan, dolgaya istoriya... Now I am able to apply and do whatever I should do (even it might be late). Thanks for recommendations, I'll try to use them. I appreciate it very much. By the way, what do you think guys, would it be wise to apply for internships in USA or Europe, if I am, for instance, in Japan?

[WASP]

Thanks Guest2005 for your attention to my post.

Actually I knew about the deadlines, but... tak slojilis obstoyatelstva bratan, dolgaya istoriya... Now I am able to apply and do whatever I should do (even it might be late). Thanks for recommendations, I'll try to use them. I appreciate it very much. By the way, what do you think guys, would it be wise to apply for internships in USA or Europe, if I am, for instance, in Japan?

It would be wise to look for full-time opportunities in Japan. Forget internships. It's too late.

[Tokugawa]

It would be wise to look for full-time opportunities in Japan. Forget internships. It's too late.

Prodigy, I agree with WASP on this. In your case if you are really in Japan and considering to get job at global financials, insurance companies or consulting firms, you should apply for full-time here. The professional labor market for well educated foreigners here is very very favorable right now. In addition to your work history and academic background, knowledge of Japanese will be decisive criteria.

[Masud]

So...

A general question.-Do you attend school while interning or be counted absent or not active.???

Could somebody, who has interned being in a ugrad. give the process of interning, here?

Thanks alot.

[WASP]

Also, there're plenty of co-op opportunities usually available while school is in session. I'd suggest you look into that...

[hihik]

Wasp, Goldman Sachs is awesome ... and also DKW
how could u manage this? which school d'u study?

gs is my dream, m&a section ...

[hihik]

bros, what is the standing of regional (state) offices of wall-street firms? are they as prestigious as the headquarter for internship purposes or not?

[hihik]

hoy people, this is a really sticky question for me, nobody knows?

[ELISE]

hoy people, this is a really sticky question for me, nobody knows?

Nobody Cares. :?

[Martingale]

Nobody Cares. :?

why didn't you reply if you do care?:rolleyes:

hihik, of course you can and it really doesn't make too much difference if you work for LA or atlanta office of goldman sachs:D However, the group is important.i.e. IB or private banking etc. Actully the selction is almost the same tough as it is for wall street. :)

GL,;)

[ELISE]

why didn't you reply if you do care?:rolleyes:


Because i don't have any info about. Very simply. :cool:

[Dilshodius]

why didn't you reply if you do care?:rolleyes:

hihik, of course you can and it really doesn't make too much difference if you work for LA or atlanta office of goldman sachs:D

Well, I think it does make much difference. First of all, working at the global headquaters of Merrill Lynch, or Goldman Sachs, or let say Morgan Stanley gives you a chance to expirience a unique business atmosphere, being near the heart of things. Secondly, salary make much of a difference. You paid more if you work on a Wall Street (well, New York is expensive place to live in). Thridly, it harder to get an internship or land a job with a main office than branch offices. My friend applied to both main and branch office of Merrill Lynch in Lexington, KY and NYC, NY and got a job at Lexington office and was rejected at headquaters, Manhhatan's World financial center (twice). Many IB students trying to get to headquters. Take a row of numbers from 1 to 10. 10 is a top point. Some people start at point 1 or 2 and some people start at point 6 or 7. It is easier to get from 6-7 to point 10 then from point 1-2 to the top. Unless, you have an exceptional business acumen and skills.

[elDoraDo]

Dear Mr Yakubov,

It is with great pleasure that I welcome you as ***** intern. You have been excepted to be trained under Economic Governance Unit of the ...

Muvaffaqiyatimizdan parchalar.

The effective date of assignment will be August 6, 2006. Your engagement will last 3 months.

damn, I love this world. Another pre-defence internship. :)

[darik]

Odamlar Assalomu Alaykum.

O'zim yomon bola emasman. Lekin botta (USA) ish topish juda qiyin ekan.
Cover Letter degan narsalari bor ekan bularni. Nechta companiyaga apppppppppply qivomman. Bittasidan ham javob kemidi. Balki resume yahshi yozilmagandur. Monster.com yahoo hotjobs, careerbuilder.com da postlarini ko'ramanu yozgan narsalarini bilaman. Resumeni yuboraman. Bir amallab cover letter yozaman. Birhilada umuman yozmiman. Shundan keyin kuniga 200 martalab qo'g'iriq qilishadi deb hayollarim parishon bo'p qoladi. Aslida computerni oldida o'tirgan bo'laman va over and over deganlaridek appppply qib o'tiraman. Mani bitta savol qiziqtiradi bula birorta position ni post qigandan keyin qachon applicantlarga telefon qilishni boshlidi? 1 haftaladan keyinmi yoki srazumi? Bulaga yana Bachelors Masters (YOKLMN) required deyishadi. Ochigini etganda hali degree degan narsa yoq manda endi Hudo hohlasa 2008da bo'ladi. Balkim shungadir. Yoki bular perfect people qidirvottimi? Shunaqa jonimga tegdi ochigini etganda.
Agar birorta maslahatilar bo'sa bemalol. Umuman maslahat so'rash uchun ochdim bu threadni. Iltimos endi :uups:

[UzbekGirlie]

I think Monsterjobs is a great website. I have used in the past to find jobs... So u need to learn to utilize it better... Another way is to go through temp agency- they have temp to hire positions. But the best thing to do is get a nice resume and a cover letter. if you want to i can look it over for you. I do that for my friend....

[Iceman]

I do agree with UzbekGirlie monster website is the best, all you have to do is posting a decent cv of yours paired with well written cover latter and the jobs will find you.

i posted mine on the 14th of july and on the 18th i had three telephone interviews. and by the end of july i had two offers from two companies. i was sorted.

I do highly recommend this www.monster.co.uk website to UK users. i cant say anything about US version though...

[stanford]

It is easier to find a job through your personal contacts,such as friends, schoolmates, etc. Or try your local newspaper classifieds.This makes finding a company that needs your skills much easier then online.Finding a job online is not easy and takes a lot of time.You have to consider other hundreds of skilled,experienced people waiting for a call.

[Vector]

Monster is a must website, decent CV and cover letter, local newspapers to start up, agencies-talk to them...
CV hapa bosa, 'ohshatin' azgina, faqat evi bilan, hech kim qamab qoymidi unchun ;)

[Gateway]

First of all Darik, you have to decide what kind of job or internship (field, industry, position) you are looking for. Why this is important? Because, this will narrow your research and you will become more professional in looking for this type of job.
Second, you have to know that in US most of the jobs and positions are filled out without any primarily announcement. Most of the people find their jobs through so called "networking". So, my advice is go talk with people. The Career Service would be a good place to begin. I think Stanford shares my opinion.
Third, if you are studying in a University, go to the Career Fairs. There, you have more chance to find a job.
Finally, keep upbeat moral. I am sure you will find a job, just keep searching.

PS. I have an interview this coming Monday, wish me luck guys!

[darik]

I think Monsterjobs is a great website. I have used in the past to find jobs... So u need to learn to utilize it better... Another way is to go through temp agency- they have temp to hire positions. But the best thing to do is get a nice resume and a cover letter. if you want to i can look it over for you. I do that for my friend....

That would be great. Should I send to you or post it here?

[darik]

Rahmat silaga kottakon lekin man USA o'qimiman. TUIT Tashkent University of Information Technology. Major: Information Security. Ochigini etganda bu blatnoylani man umuman tushunmadim boru.... Qani edi man shotta o'qisam ekan bervotgan maslahatilaga kirsam.
O'qimoqchiman transfer deganlaridek. Lekin buni uchun ish topishim kerak.
Aziz tamoshabinlar silarga hoz mani resume va "cover letter" imni havola etaman. Agar malol kemasa yordam bersangiz.:uups:

[darik]

Hi.
My name is Bill Gates. I was working as a Junior System
Administrator for one year. I am Microsoft Certified Professional,
Microsoft Certified System Administrator, Microsoft Certified Database
Administrator and Microsoft Certified System Engineer. Also I have expirience
in Linux and HP-UX. Good Skills in Active Directory, DHCP, DNS, and MSSQL Server
Right now I am studing in Tashkent University of Information Technology. Major is
Information Security. I'm planning to get my Degree in 2008.

Please see enclosed resume and consider my application for this position.


Thank you.

[stanford]

Before wasting your time on monster.com , you better learn about how to obtain a visa.

[darik]

kak resume prekripit

[Gateway]

Hi.
My name is Bill Gates. I was working as a Junior System
Administrator for one year. I am Microsoft Certified Professional,
Microsoft Certified System Administrator, Microsoft Certified Database
Administrator and Microsoft Certified System Engineer. Also I have expirience
in Linux and HP-UX. Good Skills in Active Directory, DHCP, DNS, and MSSQL Server
Right now I am studing in Tashkent University of Information Technology. Major is
Information Security. I'm planning to get my Degree in 2008.

Please see enclosed resume and consider my application for this position.


Thank you.

Come on man! And you call this a cover letter!
Mayli o'zbekchalab yozaman, tushunish osonroq bo'lishi uchun.
Bu Cover letter bilan uzoqqa borib bo'maydi.
Maslahatim, Hozir Siz job qidurguncha o'qishni tugating va shu bilan bir vaqtda biron bir IT companiyada stajirovka yoki part time ishlang. Bu CVga yahshi bo'ladi.
Maslahat beraman biron bir davlat tashkilotini IT departamentida ishlashni.
Masalan, System Administrator of National Tax Committee degan narsa yozsangiz CVga zo'r chiqadi.
Sizga experience k-k. Shuning uchun srochno ish toping UZBda.
Otherwise, you have little chance to find a job in US. Bizga bu erda turib ish topish qiyib bo'lyapti-u sizga u erda turib topish bir necha bor qiyin bo'ladi.
Good luck

[darik]

Before wasting your time on monster.com , you better learn about how to obtain a visa.

My friend I am Permanent Resident which is Green Card and I'm in US right now. :uups:

[darik]

Come on man! And you call this a cover letter!
Mayli o'zbekchalab yozaman, tushunish osonroq bo'lishi uchun.
Bu Cover letter bilan uzoqqa borib bo'maydi.
Maslahatim, Hozir Siz job qidurguncha o'qishni tugating va shu bilan bir vaqtda biron bir IT companiyada stajirovka yoki part time ishlang. Bu CVga yahshi bo'ladi.
Maslahat beraman biron bir davlat tashkilotini IT departamentida ishlashni.
Masalan, System Administrator of National Tax Committee degan narsa yozsangiz CVga zo'r chiqadi.
Sizga experience k-k. Shuning uchun srochno ish toping UZBda.
Otherwise, you have little chance to find a job in US. Bizga bu erda turib ish topish qiyib bo'lyapti-u sizga u erda turib topish bir necha bor qiyin bo'ladi.
Good luck

aaaaa rahmat kottakon. Bilaman maktabda ona tili va adabiyot faniga hech kirmas edim. Insho yozishta juda juda juda ne kuchliman. Expirience kichkinaligini bilaman. lekin naaa chora. U menya obstoyatelstva ne pozvolyayut vernutsya v Tashkent.

[darik]

seriously mate, are you just waisting your time here? very amazing.........

Please explaing tushunmaganskiy.

[munisa]

darik,

resumedagi Uzbek language joyiga "native" deb qo'yishiz kerakmikin :rolleyes: qolganini ko'rib chiqomadim, uzr. Uzbek qizi ko'rib chiqar.

[UzbekGirlie]

That would be great. Should I send to you or post it here?

You can PM me...

[UzbekGirlie]

Mana silaga resume. Rahmat

The format is terrible and you need to americanize your resume... I will work on it this week.

[Prodigy]

in this case, you need "name". You should take any job around your living place. I am sure you can find some. For survival. It is easier, just go there and talk. As Martingale said - "Sell yourself". And then after another year try some bigger firms in the town. That time you have a "Name", you have experience and contacts. Then another bigger and another bigger. I assume in three-four years you can reach that Microsoft or Google level.

P.S. You should be very aggressive and fast-learning person though.

[Tokugawa]

Today I had the longest and toughest final round interview in my life.

[sherbola]

Okamey... bu resume'ga ozgina dizayn va did bersayiz, shuncha bilim va experience'laringiz yaqqon ko'rinadi, qoladi. Dizayn va organization ko'p narsa halqiladi.

[sherbola]

biror joyda atigi 3-4 oy ishlagan bo'lsayiz ham o'shaniyam resumega work experience qilib kiritsa bo'ladimi? yo muddatni sal "uzaytirish" kerakmi sekingina?

[hercules]

Men Brainbenchda IT ga tegishli bir necha testlarni topshirganimdan keyin e-mailimga recruiterlardan offerlar kela boshlagan. Resumeni va cover letterni u erga post qilmaganman. Lekin test natijalari ish beruvchilar uchun ochiq edi. Monster va Dice kabi sitelarga resumeni post qilish ham yahshi natija berishi mumkin.
Bu resume bilan ish topishingizga ishonish qiyin. Agar hohlasangiz o'zimni resumeimni PM qilishim mumkin, sinovdan o'tgan, unga qarab yozsangiz balki qandaydir yordami tegar.

Rahmat silaga kottakon lekin man USA o'qimiman. TUIT Tashkent University of Information Technology. Major: Information Security. Ochigini etganda bu blatnoylani man umuman tushunmadim boru.... Qani edi man shotta o'qisam ekan bervotgan maslahatilaga kirsam.
O'qimoqchiman transfer deganlaridek. Lekin buni uchun ish topishim kerak.
Aziz tamoshabinlar silarga hoz mani resume va "cover letter" imni havola etaman. Agar malol kemasa yordam bersangiz.:uups:

[hercules]

Bu meni cover letterim:


Dear .................,

Please find my enclosed resume in response to your request regarding Oracle PL/SQL Developer.
Within several years I have successfully developed and deployed a number of systems for government and business sectors. As an Senior Oracle Database Developer with a total experience of 10+ yrs, I think I can effectively contribute towards the growth of your organization.
From my enclosed resume, you will find that my experience meets all of the requirements you’ve outlined for the position.
Thank you for your time and consideration. If I can provide you with any additional information, please feel free to contact me at ..................................

Sincerely,
..........................................

Enclosure: resume



Hi.
My name is Bill Gates. I was working as a Junior System
Administrator for one year. I am Microsoft Certified Professional,
Microsoft Certified System Administrator, Microsoft Certified Database
Administrator and Microsoft Certified System Engineer. Also I have expirience
in Linux and HP-UX. Good Skills in Active Directory, DHCP, DNS, and MSSQL Server
Right now I am studing in Tashkent University of Information Technology. Major is
Information Security. I'm planning to get my Degree in 2008.

Please see enclosed resume and consider my application for this position.


Thank you.

[Auditor]

Here is winning RESUME / CV

agar shunaqa CVingiz bulsa - Toshkentda turib kamida $2000 ishlaysiz.

buyog'iga man kafil.

[Frida]

Here is winning RESUME / CV

agar shunaqa CVingiz bulsa - Toshkentda turib kamida $2000 ishlaysiz.

buyog'iga man kafil.

Bu CV 9 betku!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Hech kim sizni 9 sahifalik CVingizni o'qib ham o'tirmaydi, agar bilsangiz yaxshi CV 2 sahifada odamni hamma yaxshi tomonlarini ko'rsata berishi kerak. Siz ko'rsatgan CVdan man 7 betini olib tashlab, hammasini qisqa va lo'nda qilib ko'rsatgan bo'lar edim. Undan tashqari CVga faqat "recent" jobs beriladi, bu odam 1993yilda karavot tuzatish bo'yicha bitta kompaniyada ishlagan ekan, shu kerami? Yoki muhimmi? Umuman kerak emas. U yerdagi bir bet bo'lib turgan Training ning yarmini olib tashlash kerak, ishqilib bu CVni ham ishi ko'p. Umuman Award Winnig or Job Winning CV emas.

CV bu achchiq ichakdek uzun narsa emas, qisqa lo'ndaligi bilan ajralib turishi kerak. Chunki sizdan tashqari biror ishga o'nlab kishilar topshiradi, sizning CVingiz kerakli joylarni mo'ljalga olishi kerak, memuarni boshqa yerda yozasiz.

[Unique]

Here is winning RESUME / CV

agar shunaqa CVingiz bulsa - Toshkentda turib kamida $2000 ishlaysiz.

buyog'iga man kafil.

O'zzizikiyakana bu resume? :) lekin rostanam juda ko'p ma'lumotlarni beribsiz. agar shunaqa resumelarni erinmagan HR sinchkovlik bilan o'qib chiqsa, o'sha siz etgandaka ishga qabul qilinib qolar resume egasi. :-)
qaysi firma/org/kompaniyalarga kafillik bervossiz?
Toshkentdagi IBSdayam o'qiganmisiz?

[WASP]

Someone do me a favor, post some decent guidelines on international standards for resumes and cover letters. Would do it myself, but kind of busy now.

Also FYI: electronic documents are naturally ATTACHED; whereas documents that are being mailed out are ENCLOSED. Do not confuse the two or else you will look very very silly.

[JoJ]

yoprst WASP is alive:shock:
Hey, mr. moderator where have u been for ages?:)

[Auditor]

Bu CV 9 betku!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Hech kim sizni 9 sahifalik CVingizni o'qib ham o'tirmaydi, agar bilsangiz yaxshi CV 2 sahifada odamni hamma yaxshi tomonlarini ko'rsata berishi kerak. Siz ko'rsatgan CVdan man 7 betini olib tashlab, hammasini qisqa va lo'nda qilib ko'rsatgan bo'lar edim. Undan tashqari CVga faqat "recent" jobs beriladi, bu odam 1993yilda karavot tuzatish bo'yicha bitta kompaniyada ishlagan ekan, shu kerami? Yoki muhimmi? Umuman kerak emas. U yerdagi bir bet bo'lib turgan Training ning yarmini olib tashlash kerak, ishqilib bu CVni ham ishi ko'p. Umuman Award Winnig or Job Winning CV emas.

CV bu achchiq ichakdek uzun narsa emas, qisqa lo'ndaligi bilan ajralib turishi kerak. Chunki sizdan tashqari biror ishga o'nlab kishilar topshiradi, sizning CVingiz kerakli joylarni mo'ljalga olishi kerak, memuarni boshqa yerda yozasiz.

shu kungacha 200 ga yaqin odamni ishga joyladik...
mana shunaqa resumelar bizda - High class - hisoblanadi

qisqa lo'nda CVni ham kimdir hohlar....lekin bizda bunday emas....biza birinchi marta CV olvotkanda hamma hamma info.ni so'raymiz....chunki CV ni ocenka qilvotkan odamda lishniy savollar paydo bulmasligi uchun.

Vsem ne ugodish!

[Auditor]

O'zzizikiyakana bu resume? :) lekin rostanam juda ko'p ma'lumotlarni beribsiz. agar shunaqa resumelarni erinmagan HR sinchkovlik bilan o'qib chiqsa, o'sha siz etgandaka ishga qabul qilinib qolar resume egasi. :-)
qaysi firma/org/kompaniyalarga kafillik bervossiz?
Toshkentdagi IBSdayam o'qiganmisiz?

maniki mas bu - bittasiniki :D

siz IBS da o'qismi?

[Tokugawa]

Auditor,

I guess you're talking on totally different frequency range with Frida. While it is not limited by any laws to write even 100 page resume, most successful ones would keep it within 1-2 pages. Summarizing and making your accomplishments look compact is already one skill to be valued.

It also may depend from country to country, from category of companies / organizations you're applying to etc. In this particular case, assuming you work for KPMG, I doubt the success of a 9 page resume.

shu kungacha 200 ga yaqin odamni ishga joyladik...
mana shunaqa resumelar bizda - High class - hisoblanadi

qisqa lo'nda CVni ham kimdir hohlar....lekin bizda bunday emas....biza birinchi marta CV olvotkanda hamma hamma info.ni so'raymiz....chunki CV ni ocenka qilvotkan odamda lishniy savollar paydo bulmasligi uchun.

Vsem ne ugodish!

[Tokugawa]

This link gives some good and quick information to a resume. Especially "action words" section should be useful
http://www.kelley.iupui.edu/default.cfm?ID=32
Kelley School of Business, Indiana University

[LunatiK]

shu kungacha 200 ga yaqin odamni ishga joyladik...
mana shunaqa resumelar bizda - High class - hisoblanadi

qisqa lo'nda CVni ham kimdir hohlar....lekin bizda bunday emas....biza birinchi marta CV olvotkanda hamma hamma info.ni so'raymiz....chunki CV ni ocenka qilvotkan odamda lishniy savollar paydo bulmasligi uchun.

Vsem ne ugodish!

CV ni ocenka qilvotgan odamda paydo bulgan lishniy savollarni surash uchun INTERVIEW degan narsa bor. Interview ga taklif qilishdan maqsad ham shu manimcha.

[Auditor]

CV ni ocenka qilvotgan odamda paydo bulgan lishniy savollarni surash uchun INTERVIEW degan narsa bor. Interview ga taklif qilishdan maqsad ham shu manimcha.

inreviewda CVdagilarga prooooof olamiz va shu kabilar