Here we go..........

[nobody]

Assalomu Alaykum.

I have posted it in Uzbegim also. I decided to put it here too.

All Muslims should read this!

Fantastic Use Of Logic...
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WHY SCIENCE FAILS TO EXPLAIN GOD?

At an educational institution: Professing to be wise, they became
fools.....
"LET ME EXPLAIN THE problem science has with God."
The atheist professor of philosophy pauses before his class and then asks one of his new students to stand.
"You're a Muslim, aren't you, son?"
"Yes, sir."
"So you believe in God?"
"Absolutely."
" Is God good?"
"Sure! God's good."
"Is God all-powerful? Can God do anything?"
"Yes."
The professor grins knowingly and considers for a moment.
"Here's one for you. Let's say there's a sick person over here and you can cure him. You can do it. Would you help them? Would you try?"
"Yes sir, I would."
"So you're good...!"
"I wouldn't say that."
"Why not say that? You would help a sick and maimed person if you could in fact most of us would if we could... God doesn't.
[No answer]

He doesn't, does he? My brother was a Muslim who died of cancer even though he prayed to God to heal him. How is this God good? Hmmm? Can you answer that one?"

[No answer]

The elderly man is sympathetic. "No, you can't, can you?" He takes a sip of water from a glass on his desk to give the student time to relax.
In philosophy, you have to go easy with the new ones.
Let's start again, young fella."
"Is God good?"
Er... Yes."
"Is Satan good?"
"No."
"Where does Satan come from?"
The student falters.
From... God...
That's right. God made Satan, didn't he? The elderly man runs his bony fingers through his thinning hair and turns to the smirking, student audience.
"I think we're going to have a lot of fun this semester, ladies and gentlemen."
He turns back to the Muslim. "Tell me, son. Is there evil in this world?"
"Yes, sir."
"Evil's everywhere, isn't it? Did God make everything?"
"Yes."
Who created evil?
[No answer]
Is there sickness in this world? Immorality? Hatred? Ugliness? All the terrible things - do they exist in this world?"
The student squirms on his feet. "Yes."
"Who created them? "
[No answer]

(to be continuied...)

[nobody]

The professor suddenly shouts at his student.
"WHO CREATED THEM? TELL ME, PLEASE!"
The professor closes in for the kill and climbs into the Muslim's face.
In a still small voice: "God created all evil, didn't He, son?"
[No answer]
The student tries to hold the steady, experienced gaze and fails.Suddenly the lecturer breaks away to pace the front of the classroom like an aging panther.
The class is mesmerised.
"Tell me," he continues,How is it that this God is good if He created all evil throughout all time?
The professor swishes his arms around to encompass the wickedness of the world.All the hatred, the brutality, all the pain, all the torture, all the death and ugliness and all the suffering created by this good God is all over the world, isn't it, young man?
[No answer]
Don't you see it all over the place? Huh? Pause.
"Don't you?"
The professor leans into the student's face again and whispers, Is God good?"
[No answer]
"Do you believe in God, son?"
The student's voice betrays him and cracks.
"Yes, professor. I do."
The old man shakes his head sadly. "Science says you have five senses you use to identify and observe the world around you. You have never seen God,Have you?
"No, sir. I've never seen Him."
"Then tell us if you've ever heard your God?"
"No, sir. I have not."
"Have you ever felt your God, tasted your God or smelt your God...in fact,do you have any sensory perception of your God whatsoever?"
[No answer]
"Answer me, please."
"No, sir, I'm afraid I haven't."
"You're AFRAID... you haven't?"
"No, sir."
"Yet you still believe in him?"
"..yes..."
"That takes FAITH!" The professor smiles sagely at the underling.
According to the rules of empirical, testable, demonstrable protocol, science says your God doesn't exist. What do you say to that, son? Where is
your God now?"
[The student doesn't answer]
"Sit down, please."
The Muslim sits...Defeated.
Another Muslim raises his hand.......

(to be continuied...)

[nobody]

Another Muslim raises his hand "Professor, may I address the class?"
The professor turns and smiles. "Ah, another Muslim in the vanguard!Come,come, young man. Speak some proper wisdom to the gathering."
The Muslim looks around the room. "Some interesting points you are making,sir. Now I've got a question for you.
"Is there such thing as heat?"
Yes, the professor replies. "There's heat."
"Is there such a thing as cold?"
"Yes, son, there's cold too."
"No, sir, there isn't."
The professor's grin freezes. The room suddenly goes very cold. The second Muslim continues.
"You can have lots of heat, even more heat, super-heat, mega-heat, white heat, a little heat or no heat but we don't have anything called 'cold'.
We can hit 458 degrees below zero( i think it is in Farangeyt, in Celsium it is -270 degree, as everybody knows---nobody), which is no heat, but we can't
go any further after that. There is no such thing as cold, otherwise we would be able to go colder than 458 - - You see, sir, cold is only a word we use
to describe the absence of heat. We cannot measure cold.
"Heat we can measure in thermal units because heat is energy. Cold is not the opposite of heat, sir, just the absence of it."
Silence. A pin drops somewhere in the classroom.
"Is there such a thing as darkness, professor?"
"That's a dumb question, son. What is night if it isn't darkness? What are you getting at...?
"So you say there is such a thing as darkness?"
"Yes..."
"You're wrong again, sir. Darkness is not something, it is the absence of something. You can have low light, normal light, bright light,
flashing light but if you have no light constantly you have nothing and it's called darkness, isn't it? That's the meaning we use to define the word.
In reality, Darkness isn't. If it were, you would be able to make darkness darker and give me a jar of it. Can you...give me a jar of darker darkness,professor?"
Despite himself, the professor smiles at the young effrontery before him.
This will indeed be a good semester.
"Would you mind telling us what your point is, young man?"
"Yes, professor. My point is, your philosophical premise is flawed to start with and so your conclusion must be in error...."
"The professor goes toxic. "Flawed...? How dare you...!"
"Sir, may I explain what I mean?"
The class is all ears.
"Explain... oh, explain..." The professor makes an admirable effort to regain control. Suddenly he is affability itself.
He waves his hand to silence the class, for the student to continue.
"You are working on the premise of duality," the Muslim explains. That for example there is life and then there's death; a good God and a bad God.You
are viewing the concept of God as something finite, something we can measure. Sir, science cannot even explain a thought. It uses electricity and magnetism but has never seen, much less fully understood them.
To view death as the opposite of life is to be ignorant of the fact that death cannot exist as a substantive thing.
"Death is not the opposite of life, merely the absence of it."
The young man holds up a newspaper he takes from the desk of a neighbour who has been reading it.
"Here is one of the most disgusting tabloids this country hosts, professor.Is there such a thing as immorality?"
"Of course there is, now look..."
"Wrong again, sir. You see, immorality is merely the absence of morality.
Is there such thing as injustice? No." Injustice is the absence of justice.
Is there such a thing as evil?" The Muslim pauses."Isn't evil the absence of good?"
The professor's face has turned an alarming colour. He is so angry he is temporarily speechless.
The Muslim continues. "If there is evil in the world, professor, and we all agree there is, then God, if he exists, must be accomplishing a work through the agency of evil. What is that work, God is
accomplishing?

( to be continuied...)

[nobody]

Islam tells us it is to see if each one of us will, choose good over evil."
The professor bridles. "As a philosophical scientist, I don't vie this matter as having anything to do with any choice; as a realist, I absolutely do not recognize the concept of God or any other theological factor as being part of the world equation because God is not observable."
"I would have thought that the absence of God's moral code in this world is probably one of the most observable phenomena going," the Muslim replies.
"Newspapers make billions of dollars reporting it every week! Tell me,professor. Do you teach your students that they evolved from a monkey?"
"If you are referring to the natural evolutionary process, young man,yes,of course I do."
"Have you ever observed evolution with your own eyes, sir?"
The professor makes a sucking sound with his teeth and gives his student a silent, stony stare.
"Professor. Since no-one has ever observed the process of evolution at work and cannot even prove that this process is an on-going endeavour, are you
not teaching your opinion, sir? Are you now not a scientist, but a priest?"
"I will overlook your impudence in the light of our philosophical discussion. Now, have you quite finished?" the professor hisses.
"So you don't accept God's moral code to do what is righteous?"
"I believe in what is - that's science!"
"Ahh! SCIENCE!" the student's face splits into a grin.
"Sir, you rightly state that science is the study of observed phenomena.Science too is a premise which is flawed..."
"SCIENCE IS FLAWED..?" the professor splutters.
The class is in uproar.The Muslim remains standing until the commotion has subsided.
"To continue the point you were making earlier to the other student, may I give you an example of what I mean?"
The professor wisely keeps silent. The Muslim looks around the room.
"Is there anyone in the class who has ever seen air, Oxygen,molecules, atoms,the professor's brain?"
The class breaks out in laughter. The Muslim points towards his elderly,crumbling tutor.
Is there anyone here who has ever heard the professor's brain... felt the professor's brain, touched or smelt the professor's brain?"
No one appears to have done so. The Muslim shakes his head sadly.
It appears no-one here has had any sensory perception of the professor's brain whatsoever. Well, according to the rules of empirical, stable, demonstrable protocol, science, I DECLARE that the professor has no brain."
NOW IT IS EVERYONE'S CHANCE TO LEARN MORE ABOUT ISLAM, ABOUT GOD,ABOUT THE PURPOSE OF Existence, creation & life, ABOUT THE PROPHETS OF GOD,
& ABOUT HIS HOLY BOOKS, ESPECIALLY THE HOLY QUR'AAN. THEN IT IS YOUR CHOICE TO BECOME A MUSLIM, OR NOT. ALLAAH SAYS IN THE HOLY: "THERE IS NO COMPULSION
IN RELIGION "
There is no compulsion in religion; truly the right way has become clearly distinct from error; And he who rejects false deities and believes in Allaah(The God) has grasped a firm handhold which will never break. and
Allaah is ALL-Hearing, All-Knowing(256)
Allah is the Protecting Guardian of those who believe. He brings them out of the darkness into the light; As for those who disbelieve, their guardians are false deities. They bring them out of light into
darkness...(257)" AL-QUR'AAN (CHAPTER # 2, VERSES # 256-257) They are much nicer and moresound in Arabic)
The Muslim sits... Because that is what a chair is for!!!
Please forward to others to spread the benefit & increase reward you willget in-shaa-Allaaah.

nobody.

[lawyer of freedom]

that is cool !!!!!

[muslim]

la khawla wa la quwwata illa bilahi al-azim!

[Why]

Why those muslim students took the class of Ateizm???

[ight]

good thinkin' "Why"
regards,

[ight]

nobody thax man
/w this msg u answered some questions I've had and 've been strugglin' with
katta Rahmat

[F&M]

<Nobody>

Thanks very much, it is really informative.

cheers.

[nobody]

Why (May 21, 2001 18:22):
Why those muslim students took the class of Ateizm???


Why where did u get the notion that those muslims students took the class of Ateizm? Is there a single word that they have taken Ateizm class? May be he(professor) is teaching another class.( For example why not philosofy). Besides this we had a class named "Religous studies" ( Dinshunoslik) in my home uni. Situation was almost the same. The subject was about Religions but teacher taught us to Ateizm.

Anyway, we dont know what that proffessor is teaching.

Other guys--> Thank you for good words.

nobody.

[mda...]

Afghan Taliban Orders Non-Muslims to Wear Badge
Photos

Reuters Photo


ISLAMABAD, Pakistan (Reuters) - Afghanistan (news - web sites)'s Taliban rulers ordered the country's non-Muslim minorities Tuesday to wear a distinctive badge on their clothes while going outdoors.

The Taliban-controlled Voice of Shariat radio, monitored in Islamabad, quoted religious police chief Maulawi Abdul Wali as saying the order had been issued in the light of a fatwa, or religious decree, given by Islamic scholars.

``The ulema (scholars) issued a fatwa that the non-Muslim population of the country should have a distinctive mark such as a piece of cloth attached to their pockets so they should be differentiated from others,'' it quoted Wali as saying in an interview with the official Bakhtar news agency.

``And this decision is in accordance with the Sharia (Islamic law),'' he said.

[www]

Professor in your article is stuppid but the muslem student is much worse!

Science doesnt tell you that if you cannot sense something than it doesnt exist, only low minded commons have that impression. There are stars that are being formed billion light years away from us but yet we don't feel them because information (photons and gravitational field) cannot travel faster than speed of light. -------------------------------------------------

As to the muslim student, how does this dickhead knows that islam is the only right religion as opposed to christianty, budhuism, or any othershit like this. he is just making blind choice did he ever experinced all world's religions to know that islam is the only true one, may be Islam is the most ****ed up one. how do we know. Faith? no thanks...He makes the argument about brightness and darkness or cold and heat. Those are the words we agree to use define world around us. For uzbek farmer hot is maybe anyting above 36C for people in Siberia it might be anything from 20C and up, the same way you can define cold different from situation to situation. But in case of God we agree that he is almighty and can do anything. But we havent seen one yet

Religion is nothing more but cultural heritage it has no holly thing in it. Those of you who are the muslim or whatever, just ask yourself why do you belong to this category of religion.
Tell me if I am wrong, because your parents or grandparents were muslims or people you were surrounded were muslim. So religion is just the stupid retuals that commons perform. and has nothing to do with real god but instead every body invents his/her god and lives happy misserable life(yes I mean all muslims, christians ,jews.......) If there is GOD then he has to be indefferent, he lets the world work on its own way, so he doesnt care if your young brother dies or something bad happens to somebody, he is there for nothing that we can use him, useless god

[www]

IF there is GOD and he or she or it, whatever is allmighty and can do everything. In theory CAN HE CREATE THE STONE THE STONE THAT HE IS NOT GOING TO BE ABLE LIFT????

In any case this proves that he is not almighty!!!!

[Mahmud]

www,

I can only lough at your words!!! YOU ARE STUPID and that's all whahahahahahahaha.........

[Mahmud]

WWW,
Padaringga lanat sani, tirrancha. Hali Olloh Taoloni "useless" divosanmi. Nima uchun u sanga toshni kutarishni or whateverni kursatish kere or otchyot berishi kere, TUNKA!

Ha mayli, ming gapirsam san Tunka Eshak kallaga hech tasir qilmaydi shekilli. Lekin aytib quyay, Ollohni azobi tez va yaqindir. Olloh Taoloni O'zi sanga KIFOYA !!!!

[Boom]

Mahmud
there is no need to get angry.
I think, islam is one of the religions which is most failing to be open minded. WWW is bringing good way to improve image of Islam. This is to make it free.
Nobody
it was good story. but not Paniceya. Change the words Islam with Christianity and Muslim with Christian. WUala, another beautifull story!!!
Not really agree with WWW too. it sounds like people are forced to get into religion. there are very few place where you would be forced to make 5 times worship and other stuff.

and one may talk a lot of bla bla bla about religion
Boom

[hegel]

-Here is a clear answer why religios superpriority much dangerous, if they can not faith by thoughts, they began use insult and yeiling...
'nobody," just say me you know and I know that if I smash your head, I could see your brain, but what should I do to see the God??? In philosophy your arguments call sofism, and nigelism... In ordinary words BULLSHIT...
Mahmud... Og'ayni Hudoga ishonsang nimaga tanimagan odamni xaqorat qilasan, shundan keyin musulmanman degan tiling qotirib, uzilib tushmaganiga, Hudoga ham qoyilmasman...
P.S. Human being always going to belive in God, even if they find all nature origin, because there are always uncertainty in peoples' life and it is in human nature to hope to some miracle...

[KinJalo]

www (May 23, 2001 11:36):

>he is just making blind choice did he ever
or perhaps he is expressing his opinion?
>experinced all world's religions to know that islam >is the only true one,
do we need to do that? do I need to eat all apples to know the taste of apple?
>So religion is just the stupid retuals that >commons perform.
Shall we think that you believe: commons are stupid? Are you (as anyone else) not part of them? Grown up among them? What is so special about you that makes you different from stupid commons? Are we not all commons, whether we like it or not.

>and has nothing to do with real god but >instead... he is there for nothing that we can >use him, useless god
Tell us what is the real God? The one, which we can use? Use for what?

hegel -->> OMG!! You based your argument on human nature!! Poor Yorik!

[referee]

most of those who believe that there is no God at some point in their life start believing quite the opposite and cherish Him!

The God is only one and his names are many and for me his words are in Koran. And I believe the story was just another way of cherishing Allah and I don't think it was slamming other religions.

It is just in this world of technology some people start questioning God's entity, and we, Muslims, should strengthen our faith in Allah and expand his words by persuasion and other peaceful ways as many people from other religions are doing.

So, it is up to people to accept what was/is said in or about Islam or just ignore it....
And i remind that 'there is no compulsion in Islam'. So, Islam is quite 'democratic' faith which does not perge other religions; it just people who distort the words of Allah and make it look like oppressive....

[Mahmud]

hegel,

I wonna answer before nobody may be says sth. in reply to your question/inquiry.

hegel (May 23, 2001 22:56):

'nobody," just say me you know and I know that if I smash your head, I could see your brain, but what should I do to see the God???
...

To see the God you should enter the Jannah first. But if you want to see against what God was warning you, it is enough, that you smash your own head...just now, here whahahahahahahaha

[www]

Hey I am sorry if I offended any of you by posting my vision on this topic. God is not easy to see, if i see him it wont take me much to believe in him. But right now I dont see him and also I am not claiming that he doesnt exist. I am just telling that if he does exist than he is indiferent. You don't have to be muslim to be nice person and help others. believe me it is not a requiremnent for being good.

For KinJalo
>he is just making blind choice did he ever
or perhaps he is expressing his opinion?

---One cannot express his opinion while being uniformed about other possibilities
>experinced all world's religions to know that islam >is the only true one,
do we need to do that? do I need to eat all apples to know the taste of
apple?

----There are many types of apples, you know. Some time same type of apples taste differently(rotten one for example)


>So religion is just the stupid retuals that >commons perform.
Shall we think that you believe: commons are stupid? Are you (as anyone
else) not part of them? Grown up among them? What is so special about you
that makes you different from stupid commons? Are we not all commons,
whether we like it or not.


----By low minded commons I meant somebody like MAHMUD, ready to argue eventhough has nothing to back his opinion, sorry if the word was missused.

>and has nothing to do with real god but >instead... he is there for nothing
that we can >use him, useless god



Tell us what is the real God? The one, which we can use? Use for what?

-----Trust me man, if I knew whether there is God or not, I would share it with everybody. I simply dont know.

[Mahmud(2)]

WWW, Hegel,

Nima mani low minded deb uylavossanlarmi? hehe Hali kuramiz kim qanaqaligini, Yaqin Kunda.
Shuni bilib quylaring, iymonning bir turi bor. Bu ham bulsa Olloh taoloning roziligi uchun birovni sevish va Olloh Taoloning roziligi uchun birovni yomon kurish. Sani Tunka ahmoq deganim hali erkalatganimku. San tirrancha yaralib turib Yratganga isyon qivossanmi.

>>God is not easy to see, if i see him it wont take me much to believe in him.

Hehe, Quronni uqib kursang huddi sanga uxshagan odamlar ham utganligini va ular ham adashmaszm Muso alayhisalomdan Olohni kursatsang biz ishonamiz deyishgan. Istoriya povtaryaeytsa.

hegel ti govorish : >> 'nobody," just say me you know and I know that if I smash your head, I could see your brain, but what should I do to see the God???

Butta brain deb miya emas balki aql degan ma'noni tushinish kere.
Hush endi nima deysan aqlingni kursatchi, nechhi kilo ekan, agar grammm bulmasa, hehe.


Ja uzlarizni demokrat or whatever qilib kursatmanglar. Har 1ta gaplarizga javob berasanlar, Qiyomat kunda.

>>Og'ayni Hudoga ishonsang nimaga tanimagan odamni xaqorat qilasan, shundan keyin musulmanman degan tiling qotirib, uzilib tushmaganiga, Hudoga ham qoyilmasman...

Sani haqorat qilmay erkalataymi? Hali shoshma Hudoga hali qoyil qolasan! Juda oz qoldi, insholloh.

Mani eksrimist or wahabist deb uylab qolgan buslaring kere. hehe Man unaqa emasman, ammo Ollohni haqorat qilganlarni kutarib turolmayman, hotya Uzi yahshilab jazosini beradi. Agar tavba qilmasdan yuraversnaglar, Allohning jazosini kutavering.


Omon bulinglar.

[nobody]

Assalomu Alaykum( To whom it concerns)

Whats up Guys??? Whats wrong with u?
I've posted it so that Brothers and Sisters could enjoy it and to strong their Iymans?
When some of us open words about Relegion or Islam all of you get Mad?
Dear WWW. Why to be so angry? Yes, i know that Professor in the story is stupid. For me all his words is a PIECE OF SHIT. And i needn't any word of Muslim student. But, sometimes in the past i had need it. I know that this story can't change , but i found it exciting for me and decided to put it here so that other Muslims also could also enjoy it... I think i have something common with my Brothers and Sisters .
The story is not mine, and it is also too old story. Only Allah (SWT) knows do that professor and students alive still or not. The point was not to blame science or scientists. I c some of u guys can't get its meaning.
Dear www,hegel and co.... Did anybody forced u to accept Islam??????? I think no one did it. If u do believe God that is excellent, but why INSULT others? Was there (i mean in the story ) any INSULTING word to others?????? Or does it tell that whoever dont believe it is stupid or wrong?

Hegel, why to smash my head? I need it. May be i am not so smart and wise like u, but anyway its my head. hehe, thats not point i want to tell u.
U r so clever. Sorry, i have a little question.( But please dont laugh on me). What is it Paniceva? I really dont know what is it. I'll be glad if u'll answer it.
Anyway. With ur so wise brain u couldn't understand here the simplest thing in the world. (Hehe ozi shunaka boladi, Professorlar eng oddiy, elemantar narsalarga akli chikishmaydi).
Bu erda gap MIYA haqida emas AQL haqida borayapti, AQL haqida. Buni oddiy maktab bolasiyam okib tushunib olardi. Manimcha Hurmatli Hegel siz bunga tushunmagansiz emas , balki tushunishni istamagansiz . I vse .

Keyingi postda davom ettiraman, Inshalloh...

[nobody]

So here we are....

Takkkk Dear Hegel. What about second part of ur question. Of course, it doesn't differ from the first part. The question is so Stupid. ( I mean the question is so stupid, not U, because as i think U R smart guy.)
So u want to know how about to see the God. ( The same question as the proffessor's one.) The primary purpose of creating Human Being is to examine him. If everyone can c HIM , where the meanning of Human creation. When God Almighty said that He is going to create Human Being the Angels questioned Him. ".. Why to create this STUPID ( and indeed he is) create?......."
The History repeats itself. Because not the History which repeats itself, but THE STUPIDITY of Human Beings remains the same whether he live in 1st century or in 1000th century. He again and again asks " Show me Him, so that i could c it, so that i could smell Him..... "

One need not to be professor or "educated" to "see" the GOD. Some people remain baby even they reach to the Professors degree.

All ur questions Dear Guys like the Professors one. I told u at the very beginning " all his words a PIECE OF SHIT".

If one has Iyman he needn't someone to prove him that God exists. But if one doesn't have IYMAN it doesnt help that 10 Billion people to Prove him that God exists, by whatever means, by philosofical words, by formulas, by reaction and etc..... Only God Almighty can open the eyes of our Souls. But if one soul is blind there is no one in THE UNIVERSE who can open it , except HIM.

After all, can we c Him? Yes. But not all. But not in this world. This is the THE BIGGEST HAPPINESS which Human Being can achieve. This is why all Believers live and OBEY HIM in this world. This is the only thing why is worth to live. This is why Believers obey him and BELIVE HIM without a single word. One CAN NOT express it how makes it HAPPY to c HIM. One can not imagine how it is PLEASURE to c HIM. I wish i could c HIM. I wish i were one of them who go to c HIM to HIS ARCH. I wish.... i wish.....

And for some who wants to taste my brain---> Its not tasty. There is only the TRUTH. The Truth is always chilly ( t.e. achchiq).


I dont remember all ur questions guys. If i have omitted some please let me know. I'll try to answer to them as soon as i can and as clear as possible according to my knowledge. AND IF MY WORDS INSULTED ANYBODY , I M SORRY, I DIDN'T WANT IT.

As a last word. When Human Being finds himself in the Hell ( O My God Never Let it be with me), He cries to God Almighty: " O My Lord. PLEASE send me back to the Earth. Let me Born one more time. I spend all my life Obeying to YOU. I dont raise my Head from sujud ( sajda, Part of praying).
I fully devote my life to YOU... " But it is not so. If He had sent him back to his life, he continuies as it was before. He forgets everything as if it was bad dream. This is the nature of Human Being. Qisqasi Donishmand Halqimiz aytganday "Bukrini Go'r Tuzatadi".


Jazakallohu hayran.


nobody.

[D1]

Some comments to the author of the story:
Every story is a monologue, it puts you in a particular way of thinking right from the beginning, in order for the reader to accept the story’s conclusion. Usually, when you want to say something that is obviously true and right, you don’t need to tell a story before it. That is the reason why sometimes is better to read only the conclusion of a story in order to “smell” immediately its intentions and also in order to be able to understand if you really totally agree with it or not. However, I read the story from the beginning till the end and I am obliged to say that I was really impressed. I really learned a lot from it.
I don’t know the true source of the story I read, but I will try to make clear my points though another story, which is almost the same as the one I read. The reason I am going to use a story in order to make my points is not to prove anything by opposing a thesis in the same way, neither for what I mentioned earlier: To put forward a story in order to paralyse the reader to disagree to my conclusion. The reason I use a story is because I think that: when somebody wants to speak for religion in a religious audience or for science to scientists, they both do not really need to use stories to convince. On the other hand, when somebody doesn’t want to speak neither for the science nor for the religion, he would then need at least a story…and I think the reader of my story will be either a person of science or of religion.

The story I read can be divided into two parts:
Part one: The multiple defeat of Islam from several severe strikes of science. But as it is proved at the second part of the story, these striking points of science were not real.
Part two: The final victory of Islam over science also by using the scientific way of thinking. This proves two times Islam.

These points can be easily observed from the following expressions:
“Let me explain the problem science has with God”
“The Muslim seats…Defeated”
“Science too is”
“Science cannot”
“Islam tell us”
“learn more about Islam”

My comment here is that I wouldn’t really like to agree that the argument between the professor and the Muslim student should be considered as a battle between science and religion. These two can and should exist in one place and work together for the people’s prosperity. After making clear that the story’s persons are not anything more that imaginary persons, I have to tell the story again, a little bit different this time:
Everybody should read this!

Watching fanatism leading to a dead end…

Why should we be sceptics?

At an educational institution: Trying to be wise and convince others to thing in one way may be proved dangerous…

“Let me explain the problem science has with God.”
The atheist professor pf philosophy pauses before his class and then asks one of his new students to stand.
“You are a Muslim, are you not, son?”
“Yes, sir.”
“So you believe in God?”
“Absolutelly”
“Is god good?”
“Sure god is good”
“Is god all-powerful? Can God do everything?”
“Yes”
The professor grins knowingly and considers for a moment.
“Here is one for you. Let’s say there is a sick person over here and you can cure him. You can do it. Would you help the person ? Would you try?”
“Yes sir, I would.”
“So you are good…!”
“I wouldn’t say that.”
“Why not say that? You would help a sick and maimed person if you could, in fact most of us would if we could…God does not.”
(No answer)

He doesn’t, does he? My brother was a Muslim who died of cancer even though he prayed to God to heal him. How is God good? Hmmmmm? Can you answer that one?”
(No answer)

The elderly man is sympathetic. “No you can’t, can you?” He takes a sip of water from a glass on his desk to give the student time to relax.
In philosophy, you have to get easy with the new ones.

“Let’s start again young fella.”
“Is God good?”
“Er…yes”
“Is Satan good?”
“No.”
“Where does Satan come from?”
The student falters.
“From…God”
“That’s right. God made Satan, didn’t he?” The elderly man runs his bony fingers through his thinning hair and turns to the smirking, student audience.
“I think we’re going to have a lot of fun this semester, ladies and gentlemen..”
He turns back to the Muslim. “Tell me son. Is there evil in this world?”
“Yes, sir”
“Who created evil?”
(No answer)

“Is there sickness in this world? Immorality? Hatred? Ugliness? All the terrible things – do they exist in this world?
The student squirms on his feet. “Yes.”
“Who created them?”
(No answer)

The professor suddenly shouts at his student.
“WHO CREATED THEM? TELL ME PLEASE!”
The professor closes in for the kill and climbs into the Muslims face.
In a still small voice: “God created all evil, didn’t he son?”
(No answer)

The student tries to hold the steady, experienced graze and fails. Suddenly, the lecturer breaks away to pace the front of the classroom like an aging panther.
The class is mesmerised.
Tell me, he continues, How is that this God is good if He created all evil throughout all time?
The professor swishes his arms around to encompass the wickedness of the world. All the hatred, the brutality, all the pain, all the torture, all the death and ugliness and all the suffering created by this good God is all over the world, isn’t it, young man?
(No answer)
“Answer me please”
“No, sir, I’m afraid I don’t have an answer”
“Yet you still believe in him?”
“…yes…”
“That takes faith! The professor smiles sagely at the undering.
According to the rules of empirical testable, demonstable protocol, science says that your God doesn’t exist. What would you say to that, son? Where is your God now?”
(The student doesn’t answer.)

[D1]

“Sit down, please”
The Muslim sits defeated.
Another Muslim raises his hand “Professor, may I address the class?”
The professor turns and smiles “Ah, another Muslim in the vanguard! Come, come, young man. Speak some proper wisdom to the gathering.”
The Muslim looks around the room. “Some interesting points you are making sir. Now I’ve got a question for you.
Is there such thing as heat?”
Yes, the professor replies “There is heat”
“Is there such a thing as cold?”
“Yes, son there is cold, too”
“No sir, there is not”
The professor’s grin freezes. The room suddenly goes very cold. The second Muslim continues.
“You have lots of heat, even more heat, super-heat, mega-heat, white heat, a little heat or no heat but we don’t have anything called cold. We can heat 458 degrees below zero (I think is –270 Celcium degrees, as everybody knows—nobody), which is no heat, but we cant go any further than that.—You see sir, cold is only a word we use to describe the absence of heat. We cannot measure cold. Heat we can measure in thermal units because heat is energy. Cold is not the opposite of heat,sir, just the absence of it.”

Silence. A pin drops somewhere in the classroom.
“Is there such a thing as darkness professor?”
“That’s a dumb question, son. What is night if it isn’t darkness? What are you getting at…?”
“So you say there is such a thing as darkness?”
“…yes…”
“You’re wrong again, sir. Darkness is not something, is the absence of something. You can have low light, normal light, bright light, flashing light, but if you have no light constantly , you then have nothing and that is called darkness, isn’t it? That is the meaning we use to define the word. In reality darkness isn’t. If it were, you would be able to make darkness darker and give me a jar of it. Can you…darker darkness professor?”

Despite himself, the professor smiles at the young effrontery before him.
This will indeed be a good semester.
“Would you mind telling us, what your point is young man?”
“Professor my point is that your philosophical premise is flawed to start with and so your conclusion must be in error…”
The professor goes toxic. “Flawed…? How dare you…!”
“Sir, may I explain what I mean?”
“Explain…oh, explain…” The professor makes an admirable effort to regain control Suddenly, he is affability itself.
He waves his hand to silence the class, for the student to continue.
“You are working on a premise of duality”, the Muslim explains. That there is life and then there is death; a good God and a bad God You are viewing the concept of God like something finite, something we can measure. Sir, science cannot explain even a thought. It uses electricity and magnetism but has never seen, much less fully understood them.
To view death as the opposite of life is to be ignorant of the fact that death cannot exist as a substantive thing.
"Death is not the opposite of life, merely the absence of it."
The young man holds up a newspaper he takes from the desk of a neighbour who has been reading it.
"Here is one of the most disgusting tabloids this country hosts, professor.Is there such a thing as immorality?"
"Of course there is, now look..."
"Wrong again, sir. You see, immorality is merely the absence of morality.
Is there such thing as injustice? No." Injustice is the absence of justice.
Is there such a thing as evil?" The Muslim pauses."Isn't evil the absence of good?"
The professor's face has turned an alarming colour. He is so angry he is temporarily speechless.
The Muslim continues. "If there is evil in the world, professor, and we all agree there is, then God, if he exists, must be accomplishing a work through the agency of evil. What is that work, God is accomplishing? Islam tells us it is to see if each one of us will, choose good over evil."
The professor bridles. "As a philosophical scientist, I don't vie this matter as having anything to do with any choice; as a realist, I absolutely do not recognize the concept of God or any other theological factor as being part of the world equation because God is not observable."
"I would have thought that the absence of God's moral code in this world is probably one of the most observable phenomena going," the Muslim replies.
"Newspapers make billions of dollars reporting it every week! Tell me,professor. Do you teach your students that they evolved from a monkey?"
"If you are referring to the natural evolutionary process, young man,yes,of course I do."
"Have you ever observed evolution with your own eyes, sir?"
The professor makes a sucking sound with his teeth and gives his student a silent, stony stare.
"Professor. Since no-one has ever observed the process of evolution at work and cannot even prove that this process is an on-going endeavour, are you
not teaching your opinion, sir? Are you now not a scientist, but a priest?"
"I will overlook your impudence in the light of our philosophical discussion. Now, have you quite finished?" the professor hisses.
"So you don't accept God's moral code to do what is righteous?"
"I believe in what is - that's science!"
"Ahh! SCIENCE!" the student's face splits into a grin.
"Sir, you rightly state that science is the study of observed phenomena.Science too is a premise which is flawed..."
"SCIENCE IS FLAWED..?" the professor splutters.
The class is in uproar.The Muslim remains standing until the commotion has subsided.
"To continue the point you were making earlier to the other student, may I give you an example of what I mean?"
The professor wisely keeps silent. The Muslim looks around the room.
"Is there anyone in the class who has ever seen air, Oxygen,molecules, atoms,the professor's brain?"

[D1]

The class breaks out in laughter. The Muslim points towards his elderly,crumbling tutor.
Is there anyone here who has ever heard the professor's brain... felt the professor's brain, touched or smelt the professor's brain?"
No one appears to have done so. The Muslim shakes his head sadly.
It appears no-one here has had any sensory perception of the professor's brain whatsoever. Well, according to the rules of empirical, stable, demonstrable protocol, science, I DECLARE that the professor has no brain."

The atmosphere in the classroom went very bad and extremely tensive…Another student raised his hand… “May I please make some comments in the light of this philosophical discussion?”
The professor having lost the control, and being upset with the previous student, he challenges this student in order to avoid for a while the discussion with the second Muslim student.
“I see, more people want to talk, this is getting very interesting…would you also like to prove scientifically I do not have brain or something?”

“No, sir. I just want to address some points to both: you and my fellow students. In the beginning of the lecture today you were referring to God that he did this and that, that he created evil and bad things thought all time, that God is good or bad, that God created Satan and many other things right?”

“Yes son, I did say about these things”
“well the problem is that we should always keep in mind that God is not a human or any other kind of being that we (humans) can really conceptualise His nature. That means that time does not apply to Him. Or it would be better to state that we cant say what does or does not apply to God. We cannot set limits to Him. Using the word Him, is also wrong. God is above sexes, time, and good or bad concepts. Therefore, he didn’t do anything neither he will. He –did- according to our time dimension. There is no past, present or future of our kind for God.
Also, to the question if God is good, I would choose to say that He is above good or bad. Stating that God is good or bad you are most probably erroneous.
Furthermore, I would like to congratulate my fellow classmate for his ideas but I ought to say some things to him as well, with your permission, sir”

The professor full of curiosity “go on son, let’s see where you are getting at…this will be an interesting semester indeed…”

“I think you said that cold, darkness, evil, death are a sort of describing the absence of other concepts…didn’t you?

The second Muslim student full of confidence, turns his head and replies “Yes, I said that cold is just to describe the absence of heat, darkness the absence of light, death the absence of life, and so on, this is the right way of thinking, the way that God taught to us”
“Well, I think this is also working on a premise of duality: the way of God or somewhere in the absence of it…However, I want to make clear that you can heat an object, according to what you said, can’t you?”
“Yes ofcourse you can.”
“Tell me please, when you heat it in a higher temperature degree than what it already is then you are…?”
“Warming it up” The second Muslim student answers with a smile.
“And if you are heating it in a lower temperature than the one it already is , then you are…?”
“cooling it down…”
“Yes that’s right. You couldn’t say that you are warming up something when you are trying to decrease its existing temperature. Tell me now please, what would you feel if something increases your body temperature, or the temperature of the place of your body which you use in order to feel the object?”
“I would feel hot or warm to my body member”
“And what would you feel if that object now turns to decrease your current temperature?”
“I would then feel cold”
“As you can see people do use interchangeably the words warm, hot, heat and cold, cool, even if can get confusing sometimes…When there is no heat there is no cold, the situation is no temperature. Hot and cold are two concepts we use in order to describe situations above or below a certain point. I don’t know if this helps but let me tell you that the word thermal comes from the greek word thermokrasia which means temperature, thus no heat should be considered as no temperature. Hot and cold are the points around a medium concept.
The same goes with light and dark. There is light, more light, as there is dark and more dark. The less the foton radiation in a place the less the light, the more the dark, for most of the people. Scientifically no light simply means a place with no foton radiation, but people do not follow when talking scientific thinking.
Life can not be clearly defined. In the beginning humans thought that whatever moves is alive, but then they changed to whatever breaths is alive…well one thing is obvious that there should be more that one way of life. Thus, death should not be defined as a concept where life is absent. But people again, may use different things when speaking.
And all of the above can become extremely more complicated when you take into account the relative situation of the observer to the thing you examine.

The classroom went even colder, everybody’s faces were indicating wonder.

“In addition, you should know that officially we accept five senses: to hear, to touch, to smell, to taste and to see. Using those senses we should accept the existence of the periodic table’s substances, the atoms, the molecules, the electrons, and even smaller than that pieces of the matter. The reason is simply because they have indeed been observed by several tools like the microscope, for example. In the same way, we can whenever we want see the professor’s brain, and see if it exists…!!!

[D1]

Beyond these scientific arguments, I would also like to ask you if you did mention earlier that it is quite often written in the newspapers that God’s moral code is not applied to the world, right?”

“Yes, I said that”

“Well I hope you meant the moral code that God gave to humans for the humans…,right?, because there is no moral code of God, we cant get that code, because if there is such a code then that means that God can be criticized”

“Yes, I did mean what you just said,”

“That’s good then. To conclude I would like to make clear that it would be very dumb to use science to answer to the question like: What is life, and what is after that, etc. Scientist themselves are aware that a scientific statement is based on some assumptions, follows a particular methodological procedure and at the end concludes to a thesis. This is the reason that when people again say that what science supports today will not support it tomorrow, is wrong. If we release or if we generally change the assumptions base of a scientific theory the conclusions will be different. Is like changing the materials used or the way of conducting an experiment. No science is complete according to scientists. You should be so much careful when you try to take science on your side that I would recommend you not to do it. Every scientist knows that whatever he says will be either incomplete or proved wrong in the future.”

The time had passed and the lecturer interrupted “Ok young fellas, enough for today…!!!” The students left the class.

My conclusion is that people shouldn’t think in a monodiamensional basis. Many things do exist that can not be totally explained today such as: the sixth sense. There has been and still exists a lot of research on the subject of the sixth sense, and one day it might be proven. However, I believe that God cannot be proven neither today nor in the future by any sense. But everybody can observe any time a part of His actions. Our world. This is an alternative way of saying that something exists.
Religion and science should both help people and promote social prosperity, but in reality there are many examples that they haven’t. The main reason is that people are usually not sceptic.

[tolik]

There are at least 4 (best) ways of getting to know that Allah exists (La illaha illalloh); one can use one, two, three or all of them to understand the Truth.

1. Qur'an - Allah tells us about Himself.

2. Sunnah - Prophet Muhammad (sav) tells us about
Allah.

3. Nature - gives us a hint to Allah's existence.

4. Conscience - we should have to listen to our
conscience what it tells us.

[nobody]

" Religion and science should both help people and promote social prosperity... " D1

Indeed D1 , you hit the point. But i m not the author of the story. As i told before , i found out it somewhere. I verily support your words. Religion and Science are not against to each others and mostly they don't contradict. But there is still some Human Beings that use science as a tool against Islam. They do it not researching Islam, not researching the Quran. If they had researched them in an unbaised way, they would never claim by the name of science. Islam needn't prove that it is right way. The Qur'an needn't prove that it is the Word Of Allah (jj). All we should do is to led others who went astray to the right way , because Muslim wishes good for everybody, he doesn't care not only for himself.
I liked the end of the story. As the third student said: " However, I believe that God cannot be proven neither today nor in the future by any sense. But everybody can observe any time a part of His actions. Our world. This is an alternative way of saying that something exists" .
And some people yet to realise it.

Jazakallohu hayron.

nobody

[Reader]

"As to the muslim student, how does this dickhead knows that islam is the only right religion as opposed to christianty, budhuism, or any othershit like this.."

Ohh what a PATHETIC person you are www. First of all by using unnecassary curse words using your arguement you show that you don't deserve any respect what so ever!!

BESIDES IF YOU DID NOT GET IT FIRST TIME AND YOU WERE NOT CAREFULL ENOUGH TO READ THE WORDS TO WHOME IT WAS ADRESSED.." tO AL MUSLIMS"! iF YOU MISSED THAT GO BACK AND READ ONE MORE TIME W/ GLASSES PERHAPS. PROVING WHETHER ISLAM IS THE TRU ONE IS WHOLE DIFFERENT TOPIC.

hOWEVER GOD IS MERCIFUL AND HE REQUIRES BELIEVERS TO BE MERCIFUL TOWARD EACH OTHER.
wHY ARE SO MUCH NEGATIVE EMOTIONS ..ANGER TOWARD GOD?? iF YOU EMBRACE THIS FEELING OF BELEIVING IN ONE GOD FOR JUST COUPLE MINUTES, YOU WOULD KNOW WHAT I AM TALKING ABOUT. tHEN MAY BE YOU WOULD UNDERSTAND WHY THERE IS PAIN, AND HARDSHIP IN THIS WORLD. THINK ABOUT IT "IF THERE WAS NO DIFFICULTIES AND EVIL THINGS HOW WOULD REALIZE THAT GOOD THINGS SHOULD BE APPRECIATED".THIS IS THE WAY OF TESTING HUMANS.


CHEERS,

[nobody]

The Qur'an says in Surah 5:103: " Vision comprehends Him not, but He comprehends (all) vision. He is the Subtle, the Aware."

Also, in Surah 17:15 : " Whoever goes right, then he goes right only for his own soul's benefit. And whoever goes astray, then he goes astray only to his own loss. No laden soul can bear another's load. And we never punish until We have sent an apostle ( yo give warnings). The Truth has come to you and it is up to you.

Guys make up your conclusions yourselves.


nobody.

[Omar Kh.]

"How sweet is mortal Sovranty!"--think some:
Others--"How blest the Paradise to come!"
Ah, take the Cash in hand and waive the Rest;
Oh, the brave Music of a distant Drum!