Question to Muslims and Taleban advocates

[qwerty]

I was wondering if anyone had more information regarding this topic (http://dailynews.yahoo.com/h/nm/20010522/wl/afghan_taliban_dc_2.html). The last Taleban action (destruction of monuments) was explained weeks later by Taleban authorities (at least information was available late).
This wearing badge thing probably has some other reasonable explanations besides that it is ''in accordance with the Sharia'' that we hear from Western media.

Thank you

[Javanmard]

Alex Jan,

i also understand your frustration. No matter what animal action the Taleban take...some Islamic Activist bastard living in Europe or the States will come and give a "reasonable" explanation for it....and will also quote some hadith from someone you've never heard of.

The truth of the matter is this....

The Taleban are not human. They are monsters born from ignorance and fanaticism. They must be stopped because everyday they grow bolder and bolder until one day they will start killing anybody who is different.

Making the poor Hindus dress differently will just make them victims of attack. Imagine being a Hindu girl in Afghanistan now. These animals think any non-Muslim woman (and a lot of Muslim women) are nothing but prostitutes. Who will defend these people???

[referee]

I think Talebans are just justifying their actions on the Islamic rules. I am confident that Islam itself is more humane and tolerant than it is pictured and 'examplified' by Taleban. In other words, Talebans use Islamic rhetorics to justify their state policy and its actions.... so I would not say they behave as true Muslims (my opinion).

But saying that Talebans are getting balder every day, you should see Uzb leaders actions as well. Now a person (Ruslan) can be killed just for his journalistic and critical actions. Or killing a person has become a not big deal thing in Uzb; state of affairs is not really far from the brutal regime of Talebans - could you see much differenc in oppression and brutality.

The bitterness for the Uzb nation is not only losing and imprisonment of sons, daughters, fathers etc., but also a lost of the truely enthusiastic, talented and patriotic 'minds' which one day could have contributed significantly to the prosperity of the Nation....

And all this sacrifice is for securing the posts and wealth of few people on the top. But who will wish (or who will remain to) to sacrifice more lives to sustain the country's entity when in the short future it will be threatened by many conflicts as a result of these selfish, stupid, arragant and short-sighted policies?????????

The evil can have many faces..........

[student@]

<Javanmard (May 23, 2001 03:19)>

The truth of the matter is this....

The Taleban are not human. They are monsters born from ignorance and fanaticism. They must be stopped because everyday they grow bolder and bolder until one day they will start killing anybody who is different. >


too emotional, AFAIK there are less murders and other crime under the rule of Taliban then one of previous rulers kinda rabbani, khekmatiyar etc.

<Making the poor Hindus dress differently will just make them victims of attack. Imagine being a Hindu girl in Afghanistan now. These animals think any non-Muslim woman (and a lot of Muslim women) are nothing but prostitutes. Who will defend these people???>

it's rule of sharia, I guess (not sure) in islamic society non-muslims should wear some sighns distinquishing them from muslims to avoid legal misunderstandings, so bukharian jews had to wear special belts - thus people from other religions would not be treated by islamic law.

I think this move of talibs could be considered as security for non-moslems, so that they will not be killed or punished e.x. for having sex without merriage or drinking alkohol etc.

P.S. maybe for afghanistan islamic rule is appropriate, but personaly I think any religious system will not succeed in modern world affairs. So let's see further developments...

[Javanmard]

What baloney!!!

Your saying this is the best system they can come up with....

Would it not be easier to just check someones ID before punishing. An ID card lets the police or whatever check a person without everybody in the street knowing he or she is a Hindu. comeon...we are not cavemen....

Also, if they are made to wear some kind of mark on their clothing...someone can wear the same clothes, commit a crime and run away.......then who will be protected....every Hindu for miles will be rounded up....

It will become very dangerous to be from another religion. Also, sharia or no Sharia making people wear special marks on their clothing is a violation of human rights......

Student@ be a student and use your brain.....

If you read my first message you can see what I said about the "reasonable explanations"....

[CE]

Javanmard (May 23, 2001 03:19):
Alex Jan,

i also understand your frustration. No matter what animal action the Taleban take...some Islamic Activist bastard living in Europe or the States will come and give a "reasonable" explanation for it....and will also quote some hadith from someone you've never heard of.

The truth of the matter is this....

The Taleban are not human. They are monsters born from ignorance and fanaticism. They must be stopped because everyday they grow bolder and bolder until one day they will start killing anybody who is different.

Making the poor Hindus dress differently will just make them victims of attack. Imagine being a Hindu girl in Afghanistan now. These animals think any non-Muslim woman (and a lot of Muslim women) are nothing but prostitutes. Who will defend these people???
Take it easy J. If destroying a statute makes human an animal then what about somebody who destroyed Lenin or Stalin's statutes? <<killing anybody who different>> Aren't you hating them because they are different from you? Did you go inside the Teleban minds and read that they all think that women are prostitues? Judging like this makes you in fact an ignorant person. Moreover believing what someone thinks is right does not make him/her ignorant. (if it did then you would also be an ignorant) And if you do not know a hadith it does not mean that the hadith doesn't exist at all. Be a little bit rational.
I think the original question was if it is done under Sharia or not. Well, I am not an expert in Sharia. But I can tell that in old Bukhara jews had have something (I'm not so sure what exactly they had to wear) on them to distinguish from muslims. So I believe it can be justified by Sharia.

[student@]

dear Javanmard, I dont approve discrimination on any base(religion, race, origin, sex, sexual orientation, political opinion),

just gave a suggustion about motives of introducing badges by talibs for non-moslems.

and about ID cards - just cannot imagine that afghanis have any ID cards, if you want, you can call these people 'caveman' exhousted by a war for over 2 decades, it's not U.A.E. or wherever people have ID.

I wonder if they had such regulations before in Afghanistan too, I assume that the western media is finally focusing on Afghanistan and discovering how people are living there, and there is no wonder if this kinda regulations existed there before.

regards

p.s. may you give some other explanation on introducing bages?!? -;)

[Javanmard]

Sorry if I got a little worked up!!

Its just that first of all, it is NOT in accordance with any Quranic teaching. I am sure there is some garbage hadith or Fatwa that will support their decision but not anything to do with the Quran.

Whether it is in the Sharia or not, its wrong!! Why are they doing these things to people??? What is the benefit. Some stupid people are saying that is for their own protection? How??

I am very sad that there are people who will support this crap......

[pushkin]

i think if people donot want to live in peace they should be slauthered.
drop a couple of bacterialogical bombs there and finito de la comedia
STALIN: "No People No Problem"

[qwerty]

I would like to thank everyone for taking his or her time to answer my question. Individual thanks to <student@> - I found his answer especially helpful.

<referee> you seem to be so much against current government that you had not even checked information about Ruslan and started accusing uzb government of his death. You must have something personal against these people. ???

Also I would like to apologize to those of you who have been offended by the name of the topic (I know some people did).

[qwerty]

PS. As far as I know Jews in ancient Bukhara were not allowed to wear a belt made of any kind of cloth. Instead they had to use a piece of rope so that they could be easily distinguished.

During the Soviet period Jews were the only minorities that did not want their nationality put in their documents (makes sense to me).

Take it easy

[referee]

<referee> you seem to be so much against current government that you had not
even checked information about Ruslan and started accusing uzb government of his death. You must have something personal against these people.

Well, Alex:

I responded to info which emerged and plus the info about brutality of milizia which dominates media coverage at present. And if other people had responded in bigger quantities the same way on other arbitrary killings and imprisonments, then before executing smb they would think twice about consequences and these executions would have decreased in numbers.....That what can be called non-violent resistence...

You know, I don't have anything personal against anybody in gov, in fact, as far as I know there are many talented and devoted people working hard till late and getting paid shit...

I am trying to elaborate on the other selfish and evil half of the gov. which is stealing the country to parts, and to cover up their arse and keep their high positions they can and do resort to extremes so that other people suffer....

Things are personal when a person has personal interests, intentions and purposes for his/her actions; well, i don't have any....

my belief is that criticism and feedback are not only constructive but they also create competition and stimulation for improvement.
For example, i know that most of you respect your parents. so when you see that they are doing wrong things and therefore can do some harm would you try to influence their actions by persuasion, criticism, discussion and so on - or you will stick to the rule 'keep mouth shut and do nothing'???? Well, which action would make you more loyal to your family?????? Or which action will be morally correct????? Using this analogy think about the future of Uzb; you see what problems are emerging out there and you see the actions taken - will you do sth constructive (which may be perceived as socially bad) or keep doing nothing???????

[Freestyler@]

AGAIN!?!?!?!
.....
"What about Lenin, Stalin" - ?!?!?! :D

[Krestyanin]

I like Lenin' s ideology. Tsar was very cruel. That's why before Bolshevik' s revolution there were the hell of a lot of "bunts" like Pugachev's, Razin's ... Remember Bloody Sunday...
However, many people support Tsar rezhim now in Russia because all Russians think that all of them were form Tsar' s and Pomeshik' s family...

And people say that without revolution they could live like the USA. Why compare with the US? Why don't they compare themselves with other 200 countries, Afghanistan, Pakistan, Mongolia, Egypt, Cameroon...?

The bolsheviks' Revolution was not probability. It was not a revolution made by Lenin. It was simply inevitable.
Remember NEP, cooperation and market economy in early 20-s.
Though West and the USA treat Lenin like Hitler many things in these countries are derived from the communist ideology, especially, education system, profsouyz, etc.

Take care,
A Krestyanin who works a lot than takls too much.

[nobody]

I dont want to answer in this topic, but Dear Krestyanin you are more than funny , trust me MORE THAN FUNNY. I couldn't find any other appropriate word to describe you.
Why compare with the US? Why don't they compare themselves with other 200 countries, Afghanistan, Pakistan, Mongolia, Egypt, Cameroon...?

Pakistan, Egypt????????????? Wuahahahahahaha, maybe France,Belgium.....
U R so funny. Who told u that Russia is living better than them? U R so tied. Go have a rest.

Take it easy.


Muahahahaha, Rossiya Egiptdan zormish, muahahahahahaa....