Is it Real Islam or...?

[This-is-My-Nick]

This is from a web-site:

"Verses from the Koran:

VIII/12: When thy Lord inspired the angels (saying:) I am with you. So make those who believe stand firm. I will throw fear into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Then smite the necks and smite of them each finger.

Here one can clearly see that the Quran is openly saying to the muslims to give a torturous death to those who are non-believers of the Islamic faith...."

...and etc.

Look at:
http://www.hinduunity.org/

WHAT DO YOU THINK?

Thanks,

This-is-My-Nick

[referee]

from this versus, you can only understand that Allah himself will 'punish' disbelievers, and it does not imply at all that Muslims should take divine actions themselves! It is Allah whom we should fear of and believe in, and that what is meant here.
So, there is no hint in here that Islam is violent and it calls Muslims for violence. As far as I know, Muslims can be violent in self-defence only and in other logical justifications.

best

[bekchinor]

Dear "Islam-specialist-Umidies",

Please answer me what if a person never heard about Islam, in somewhere like Chukotka or far Alaska or where Islam missioners did not go! Will the Superior punish this poor!?

You guys (only some; they know) became too fanatic, please remember in the history all the wars, genocides, whatever bad was caused or hidden with religious mask.

Save yourself!

No Religious Offense Intended! Take it easy.

Regards,
Bek

[Searching]

As far as I know, those, who didn't recieve the message, are considered Jakhliyya.
By the way, the parents of the prophet were Jakhliiyya as well. So, they are not going to be punished for their ingnorance.

I think there are three types of ppl:
Muslims, Kufr and Jahliiya

Though, I would like to learn more about the differences between Jahhliyya and Kufr.

Searching...

[Searching]

yes, and one more things

It is not the problem of the religion that it was used to justify the wars...
It is a problem of interpretation...i.e. those who interprete it wrong...

peace,
Searching

P.S. The problem of co-existence of the different faithes is a really difficult one. The atheists say that the only way to solve interconfessional problems is to declare that there is no God at all.
Some came up with the solution of mixing all the worlds religions together into something like Brahmaism...
On a civil society--state level, the solution to this is secularism, separation of state and church.
Still, there are may be some other solutions out there....

[nobody]

Hi there.

First of all This-is-My-Nick why do you search like this Nazy fashistic sites????? Quotation from the site:
HINDUUNITY.ORG IS DETERMINED TO GET MUSLIMS AND CHRISTIANS OUT OF BHARAT (INDIA) BY WHATEVER MEANS POSSIBLE. PEACEFUL METHODS AND APPEASEMENT HAVE NOT WORKED. TOTAL WAR IS THE ONLY SOLUTION LEFT TO RESTORE PEACE IN OUR MOTHERLAND. WE ASK ALL HINDU JAWANS TO STAND UP AND TAKE ARMS AGAINST THESE ASURIC (DEMON) CULTS AND DESTROY THEM. A FREE AND A STRONG HINDU BHARAT WILL BE CREATED. ISLAM IS A ROGUE THAT HAS PLAGUED INDIA FOR OVER 1000 YEARS. INDIA MUST BE FREE!

Secondly, Why to believe to the Interpretation of the Qur'an from non-Muslims??? We have saying in Uzbek " Chumchuk soysayam kassob soysin ". In Qur'an each Ayah (verse) has it own history , which states when it had been revealed , why, the reasons, how one should understand it and etc. Thats why , mostly even Muslims with enough knowledge ask more knowledgeable Muslims to Interpret the Qur'an. Thus , if you see whenever and anywhere the Qur'anic verses Interpreted by non-Muslims just ignore it, espesially Interpreted by Nazies. I think my point is CLEAR, just **** off this site, and whatever written in it.

Then , something about Bek's question. There is Hadith , something like your question. Unfortinately i've read or may be heard it in Uzbek, when i was in back home and i can't refer to the source just know. I tell only meaning of it. Once Sahabas asked Rasullilloh (saw) about good men who lived before Islam and who never heard about Islam. Rasulilloh (saw) answered them that Allah (swt) Himself decide what to do with them. That is the meaning. Allah (swt) Himself knows what to do with them. And furthermore, Allah (swt) says in Surah 17:15 " .... . And we never punish until We have sent an apostle ( yo give warnings). The Truth has come to you and it is up to you. " Thus Allah (swt) had sent His massangers to all nations and there is no nation which unaware of Islam.
BTW, Bek Muslims don't have missioners. It is Cristians who have missioners. Don't mix it.

And as for the second part of your post, i can say there was a lot of discussions about it in this forum. Hundreds of times were given answers . May be you haven't read them or haven't understood them. Ok, anyway, do you know the literal meaning of the word? Here what i found 1. somebody who has extreme and sometimes irrational enthusiasms or beliefs, especially in religion or politics. So who has irrational beleifs here? Who is has extreme enthusiasms here? Ah yes, you think it so.
Anyway its not the point i want to tell. I m not going to argue with you, because there is no benefit. But the problem is that a number of Muslims suffers from like this "considerations" ( the consideration of people who do not know even the meaning of the words Islam and Muslim).

You've mixed up everything in your question. If the wars and genocides were hidden by the mask of Religion, it doesn't mean that Religion is the reason of all them. You yourself are saying that they were "..caused or hidden with religious mask." Not by religion itself. Look to the above mentioned site, the Nazy propaganda are masked by religous and National mask.

And the last word. Don't be stupid guys. Don't assosiate everything with Religion and , ecpesially, with Islam. If you want answers to your questions, just learn Islam and the Qur'an. And u'll find clear and appropriate answers there from specialists. You are educated guys and don't act like animals---based on your instincts and without consions. Just learn something about people before blaming them on something. If you don't want , then don't disturb others. And, btw, there is no "Islam-specialist-Umidies". For whom, who don't know anything about UMID Foundation i tell that there is no one UMIDie who studies relegious studies, including Islam. So , bear it in your mind. And DON'T BE STUPID GUYS. USE YOUR BRAINS INSTEAD OF BLAMING PEOPLE ON SOMETHING.

Citate from the site:
CHOOSE DEATH BEFORE DISHONOR!
IF YOU ARE A HINDU, THERE IS NOTHING MORE IMPORTANT IN THIS WORLD THAN YOUR MOTHER LAND - BHARAT! FIGHT IF YOU MUST! DIE IF YOU MUST!
NO HINDU CAN ASK FOR A BETTER DEATH THAN DEFENDING THEIR MAATRU BHOOMI (Mother Land).

TAKE THE OATH TO BECOME A
SOLDIER OF HINDUTVA TODAY!

Think about it guys, who is really extremist, terrorist and fanatic.

nobody

[bekchinor]

Nobody - Good points, if you say and keep it secular!

Thanks,

Regards,
Bek

PS. There is a reason to mix it up!!! :)

[pushkin]

Ollohu Akbar!!!!!!