Again about pork.

[nobody]

Assalomu Alaykum Dear Brothers and Sisters.

A lot of people misconstrue Islam's forbiddance of pork consumption as mere here say but it's actually based on real medical facts as illustrated
below.
The following was discovered many centuries ago upon the dawn of Islam but no logical explanation was ever offered on the rule...until now. If you pour Coke (yes, the soda) on a slab of pork, and wait a little while, you will SEE Worms crawl out of it.

A message from the Health Corporation of Singapore about the Bad effects of
pork consumption.

Pig's bodies contain MANY TOXINS, WORMS and LATENT DISEASES. Although some
of these infestations are harbored in other animals, modern veterinarians say that pigs are far MORE PREDISPOSED to these illnesses than other animals. This could be because PIGS like to SCAVENGE and will eat ANY kind of food, INCLUDING dead insects, worms, rotting carcasses, reta (including their own), garbage, and other pigs.
INFLUENZA (flu) is one of the MOST famous illnesses which pigs share with humans. This illness is harbored in the LUNGS of pigs during the summer months and tends to affect pigs and humans in the cooler months.
Sausage contains bits of pigs' lungs, so THOSE who EAT pork sausage tend to SUFFER MORE during EPIDEMICS of INFLUENZA. Pig meat contains EXCESSIVE quantities of HISTAMINE and IMIDAZOLE compounds, which can lead to ITCHING and INFLAMMATION; GROWTH HORMONE which PROMOTES INFLAMMATION and growth;
sulfur containing mesenchymal mucus which leads to SWELLING and deposits of MUCUS in tendons and cartilage, resulting in ATHRITIS, HEUMATISM, etc. Sulfur helps cause FIRM human tendons and ligaments to be replaced by the pig's soft mesenchymal tissues, and degeneration of human cartilage. Eating pork can also lead to GALLSTONES and OBESITY, probably due to its HIGH CHOLESTEROL and SATURATED FAT content. The pig is the MAIN CARRIER of the
TAENIA SOLIUM WORM, which is found in its flesh.
These tapeworms are found in human intestines with greater frequency in nations where pigs are eaten. This type of tapeworm can pass through the intestines and affect many other organs, and is incurable once it reaches beyond a certain stage. One in six people in the US and Canada has TRICHINOSIS from eating trichina worms,
which are found in pork. Many people have NO SYMPTOMS to warn them of this, and when they do, they resemble symptoms of many other illnesses. These worms are NOT noticed during meat inspections.

NST, Singapore

Good article to consider.

nobody

[ziggy]

New York State Department of Health
Communicable Disease Fact Sheet
Trichinosis




What is trichinosis?


Trichinosis is a foodborne disease caused by a microscopic parasite.



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Who gets trichinosis?

Anyone who eats undercooked meat of infected animals can develop trichinosis. Pork products are implicated more often than other meats.



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How is trichinosis spread?

Animals such as pigs, dogs, cats, rats and many wild animals including fox, wolf and polar bear may harbor the parasite. When parasites are passed in the feces, they infect new animals. When humans eat infected pork that has been improperly cooked, they become infected. Improperly cooked wild animal meat may also be responsible for infecting humans. Person-to-person spread does not occur.



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What are the symptoms of trichinosis?

The symptoms usually start with fever, muscle soreness, pain and swelling around the eyes. Thirst, profuse sweating, chills, weakness and tiredness may develop. Chest pain may be experienced since the parasite may become imbedded in the diaphragm (the thin muscle separating the lungs from abdominal organs).



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How soon after infection do symptoms appear?

The incubation period varies depending upon the number of parasites in the meat and the amount eaten. It can range from five to 45 days but is usually 10 to 14 days.



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Does past infection with trichinosis make a person immune?

Partial immunity may develop from infection.



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What is the treatment for trichinosis?

A drug called mebendazole is used in treatment.



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What can be the effect of not being treated for trichinosis?

Failure to treat could be fatal.



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What can be done to prevent the spread of trichinosis?

The best prevention is to make sure that pork products are properly cooked. The desirable temperature is at least 150°F. Storing infected meat in a freezer with a temperature no higher than -13°F for 10 days will also destroy the parasite.



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New York State Department of Health

[KinJalo]

and nevertheless non-muslims live on...

[April]

Beef and lamb bring as much harm to human's health as pork. Doesn't really make you a better person in god's and others eyes, if you don't eat any of them. Just has some unfavorable effects on your health :-p

Regards,
April

[nobody]

Dear April. Your are not right.

I'll answer you soon , InshAllah.

nobody

[SUN6500]

Indeed April is right. Red meat can be very harmful to your health. The American Heart Association, the American Cancer Society, the National Academy of Sciences, and the American Academy of Pediatrics are just a few of the medical, scientific, and professional associations that recommend a reduction in the consumption of red meat and other animal-derived foods and a shift to a more vegetarian diet. Beef ranks second only to tomatoes as the food posing the greatest cancer risk due to pesticide contamination. It ranks third of all foods in insecticide contamination.Many scientific studies have found a high correlation between the consumption of red meat -- which is high in saturated fats and cholesterol -- and heart disease, stroke. and colon and breast cancer. No need to mention that meat may contain E. coli 0157 which will lightly taken force you to drop your sandals. And finally not mention a mad cow desease that has been going rampant in UK, which I am sure you are quite aware of.

[IcyCool]

yes, but there are other issues besides cholesterol and warms that are related to pig meat--like jealousity, or its absence in pigs. they don't have "families", even in simplified animal sense. for example other animals, dogs, cats or birds choose a partner for life, whereas pigs don't care about their partner (husband or wife--whatever you call it).

or other issues, like eating its own trash and its own babies. this is also is not seen in apporoved animals.

[Freestyler]

Another contre-argument always to bare in mind:

Life expextancy in Western countries where pork is maybe just as popular as other sorts of meat (if not more popular), as well as in China and other Eastern Asian states is much longer than in Arabic or other muslim states where the consumption of this "highly infectious and unhealthy meat" is brought to absolute zero.

Keep it Sober ;)

[Javanmard]

Hello all,

I do agree that Pork is not healthy. I myself do not eat Pork. Not for religous reasons but because I don't like Pigs!!!

BUT the evidence put forward for making Pigs Haram to eat is not conclusive. Red meat and even now Beef is far more dangerous than Pork ever was. Am I the only one aware of Mad Cow and Foot & Mouth disease?????

Basically what I am trying to say is...if someone wants to say that Pork is terrible and it was made Haram because of that, then they are wrong. there are other things that are also very harmful as well..........some (such as Beef) at the moment that are potentially lethal to eat!!! and in regular times also as unhealthy.

so we have to agree that this is no conclusive evidence.....

This is a flimsy argument to support religous beliefs.

[nobody]

Hi there.
I think we have here good conversation. ;)

Ok. First i'll try to reply to Sun6500 , Freestyler and Javanmard.

Dear Sun6500, where did you get the notion that beef ( red meat ) is more harmful than pork??? Show me evidence or source. Actually, maybe there are some, but i needn't it. You say different American Health Assosiations say it. Ok, that is right , as long as they check out their red meat ( i mean American), where they first they kill an animal then slaughter it. In this case this meat will be more dangerous even than SHIT. One needn't be medical specialist to know how harmful eating BLOOD is . You are clever guy to understand these things, it is not worth to spend time to explain it. Anyway , may be you are right saying that red meat and other animal derived foods more dangerous than vegetables ( i am not specialist in this field) , BUT not than PORK.
Then, wuahahahahahaahhaha, all these Associations declared that red meat is the one of the dangerous sources of the cancer, heart diseases, stroke, colon, breast cancer, etc ?????
Wuahahahahahahaha, bechora ota bobolarimiz rosaaaaaaa rak bolishgan ekanda a nima deding Sun6500. Bechora Musilmonlarni hammasi Rak, Yurak kasaliga chalingan kasalvandga chikarib koydingku, :-D :-D :-D :-D , Voy yuragim,ana oldim, wuahahahahahaa.
Ok, i am joking, just i am wondering where did you find this funny stories?
Lets talk about mad cow desease, and foot and mouth desease, about which all cry aloud. (It is not the topic which we are discussing, but i just want to say what i think.)
First , even it is so dangerous as they say, the reason is their slaughttering style, not cows itself. I told you above , eating meat with blood is harmful and all deseases in the animal could infect people who eat this meat..............
Secondly, don't be childish guys. Neujeli vi veriti v etot chush????? You know there is some shit stuff called " Economic war". Almost everything realted to foot and mouth desease is fake. Do you believe whatever this journalists say??? You know very well who will gain in this "war", why it is happened, and who is the loser. If you don't have any idea about it , i am sorry for you.

Dear Freestyler your argument is (maybe) right. I don't have any idea life expectancy of Europeans, Arabs or other Easteren Asians. If you are talking that europeans and easteren asians live longer that Muslims and Arabs, it has nothing to do with pork or red meat,etc. Hehe, don't pretend to be stupid Freestyler. Even schoolboy knows very well that life expectancy depend on millions of reasons besides beef and pork.
For me the reason is that it is the Allah's willing how long people live in this life, whether they are Muslim or not. You not convinced with this answer. Ok, i'll try another way. How Muslim living Irak or Afganistan or Palastin or Lebanon or Chechnya or Tajikistan or India or Aljir or Bosnia or Morocco or Bangladesh or Turkey or Uzbekistan can live longer than Europeans or Americans or Chines or Japanies or somebody else. Hehe, do you think that your argument is related to the topic? Or do you have any other information from the reliable source. I also can say that Muslims live longer than Japanies.

[nobody]

I also can say that Muslims live longer than Japanies... But i m not going to argue on this stupid topic. Do you think that if one lives longer he is right or he is happy? I think you don't. You know that jogas or may be yogas ( yogi ya imeyu v vedu) the most healthy persons in the world. Hehe, let's become yogas , what do you say?
I think i got out of topic.

Well Javanmard, i m not going to make a specific answer to you because i've already done it above , at least partly. And i agree with all your conclusions, beginning with the word "Basicly... ". I just wanted to say that Allah (jj) Doesn't make Haram the things which are good for your health. And wether eating Pork or not , thus obeying to God Almighty or not , is the business of everybodies own.
Btw, i have no intention to support my religious beliefs , because no one need it . You guys didn't get my purpose here. First of all , i've written on the top " Dear Brothers and Sisters " and it was for believers. Hehe, i didn't expect that there are too many "Piglovers".

Take it easy guys

nobody

[nobody]

April (Jun 08, 2001 08:38):
Beef and lamb bring as much harm to human's health as pork. Doesn't really make you a better person in god's and others eyes, if you don't eat any of them. Just has some unfavorable effects on your health :-p

Regards,
April


So here we are again to clearify misunderstandings caused by April.
For your first word read my previous posts. If you don't convinced by them, then i can't help you.
So you think Dear April , it doesn't make any difference? Do you think that judges judge the guilty and innocent person in the same way?

Allah (jj) says :
Forbidden to you (for food) are: dead meat, blood, the flesh of swine, and that on which hath been invoked the name of other than Allah. that which hath been killed by strangling, or by a violent blow, or by a headlong fall, or by being gored to death; that which hath been (partly) eaten by a wild animal; unless ye are able to slaughter it (in due form); that which is sacrificed on stone (altars); (forbidden) also is the division (of meat) by raffling with arrows: that is impiety. This day have those who reject faith given up all hope of your religion: yet fear them not but fear Me. This day have I perfected your religion for you, completed My favour upon you, and have chosen for you Islam as your religion. But if any is forced by hunger, with no inclination to transgression, Allah is indeed Oft-forgiving, Most Merciful.
(AL-MAIDAH, 5:3)

If you understand English everything is clear here. This Ayah is more than enough to say that you are wrong. Don't get me wrong. I just want to inform you that saying that kinda words is not good for believers. I know people who say that pork and alchohol are not haram. BEWARE of saying this kinda words, if you consider yourself believer. Otherwise , it is your problem.

Haram foods and drinks are absolutely prohibited for consumption by Allah. Eating Haram is forbidden for every Muslim. If a Muslim consumes Haraam foods, he would be sinful.

Take it easy. Learn more.

nobody.

[SUN6500]

Nobody, please refer to my answer in previous message once more. In no way I said that "beef is more harmful than pork." I just pointed out the harms that beef can cause to humans. I have not co-related the harms of pork vs beef products. It is widely known that pork does contain harmful byproducts, but I merely put out a message saying that so does red meat. So, before you drop into into a mad cow hysteric laughter, be sure to read my message once more.

>Then, wuahahahahahaahhaha, all these Associations >declared that red meat is the one of the dangerous >sources of the cancer, heart diseases, stroke, colon, >breast cancer, etc ??
>Wuahahahahahahaha, bechora ota bobolarimiz >rosaaaaaaa rak bolishgan ekanda a nima deding >Sun6500. Bechora Musilmonlarni hammasi Rak, Yurak >kasaliga chalingan kasalvandga chikarib koydingku, , >Voy yuragim,ana oldim, wuahahahahahaa

Bo'lishi mumkin... Bechora Ota bobolaring qaysi kasalikka duchor bo'lganiga kafolat berolmaysanku, to'g'rimi ? Qo'lingda diagnosi ham yo'q. Yuragi og'risa, mullani oldiga kirib "duo o'qivorin' tuzalib ketarman" deb o'lib ketganlar ham anchagina bo'lgan.

Besides, indigenous people of Papua New Guinea used to consume human flesh for ages. But this does not mean that have to continue on their tradition just because their "ota-bobolari" consumed it, right ?

>First , even it is so dangerous as they say, the reason >is their slaughttering style, not cows itself.

Well indeed some factors could be attributed to a slaughtering style where contaminated slaughter house could spread the deseas even further. But you should know that it is a deseas that spreads among live calves.
Bovine Spongiform Encephalopathy (BSE), is a fatal, brain-wasting disease. Scientists believe BSE is transmitted through infected cattle feeds and may cause the fatal variant Creutzfeldt-Jakob disease (vCJD) in humans. More than 80 people in Britain have died of the incurable vCJD.
Now, besides mad cow deseas, we have hoof and mouse desease as well. And it is not caused by improper handling of meat products but by infection spreading rapidly among cattle, sheep and hogs included. Would you be willing to consume a beef slaughter according to Muslim tradition (with all perks included) but suffering from hoof and mouse desease ? I guess not.

>it is the Allah's willing how long people live in this life, >whether they are Muslim or not

Are you saying that people aren't dying of malnutrition ? Or bad diet ? There is a saying "Sendan Harakat, mendan barakat." Because, from what you saying it's coming out that Allah so far is favouring Japanese the most, as per longevity goes.

[Javanmard]

Sun6500,

Don't bother..Nobody is again being rude and twisting your words like all muslim fanatics......

This is such a stupid topic....the muslims made pork Halal...so what?? We all know that Islam forbids us to eat pork.....

Trying to prove it scientifically is near impossible...

All of Nobody's evidence is inconclusive.....and his style of discussion is that of an ignorant Talibani.......

Why did you laugh at Sun6500's post???? Huh??? You think if you laugh at something everybody will think its not true???? You think we are all stupid fanatics like you????

I did not eat pork...but because of what you wrote...I will go out tommorow and eat a ham sandwich..and think of you while doing it!!!!!;)

[SUN6500]

You're right Javanmard. But I am really amazed at why would someone twist and turn the words around to make them look distorted from reality and a total absense of logic from their very thought. I mean, do they really think that people are that stupid ?? The only thing I see here is a mental prostitution at its best.

[ShumBOLA]

Hey guys,

Nobody, good post by the way! You got a lot of interesting responses. I thought I'd make a humble addition to what you said to clear up some misconceptions.

Dear reader, Allah is the creator of the Universe. And he made the humanbeing the khilafa(the leader) on Earth over all the creations. As you know, if you buy a VCR it comes with a manual telling how to use it properly for the best performance and long life of the appliance. And just like that, Allah who's the creator of everything has given us, his creation, a manual to live buy in order to achiece success in this world and in the world hereafter. And as Allah's attributes mention All-knowing, Most-beneficient, who'd never wish ill towards humans, but rather tell them what is the best way of living and what is beneficent and what is harmful. As you know, everything has some bad and good sides, some of them we know and some we have to discover yet (as we find out new stuff on TV regarding health products, i.e tomatos preventing cancer ). Some of the products do more harm than good, and of course Allah(the Creator of the product), would know better than us(his creations) whether something has more good than bad. Just like the engineer of the car, would know best about the car than anybody else.
....So, my point is Allah as the Creator of the Universe and everything in it, would know most about his creations. And he commanded humans not to consume pork because it has more harm than good, just like intoxicated drinks..etc

One more important thing, as muslims we believe in the unseen, like we don't see angels but we believe in them, we don't see jins but we belive in them, we don't see people in the graves but we believe in the life inside the grave, and we believe in the Day of Judgement, even though we never had a glimpse of any of the above. The point here is, if Allah made everything visible, and showed miracles to everybody, or at least showed himself once, do you think people would still hesitate to believe in Him??? Of course not, but what kind of faith would that be...Everybody, will believe without a doubt. But a muslim doesn't need anything, he believs in the word of Allah, and he has confidence in him even though he never heard him or see him or witnessed any miracle.

We don't know everything about own selves, there is so much out there for us to explore. But yet we demand scientific prooves for the commandments of the Creator of the Universe. After being given all the scientific evidence, duh!!! who won't submit, every single person will.

And it is said the miracles of the Quran will keep revealing untill the Day of Judgement, but when the unseen will become seen, people will see thing which they never saw, and they will submit to the will of Allah, but it will be too late...

May Allah give us the understanding of his message
May Peace and Blessing of Allah be upon all of you
ShumBOLA :oo
PS: I hope it helps, sorry it got a little long...

[Javanmard]

shumbola,

First thing...who has been brainwashing all of you guys??? It sounds like you have been to some indoctrination camp.....

And your analogy about the VCR manual..you see the difference is that if you use the VCR manual...the VCR will work. The Manual for life that you are talking about...if followed properly will make you live like an Arab 1500 years ago. What is the point of that?? Name one Muslim country with a well developed industry and ecconomy. Name one Muslim country that has real freedom for its citezens........

And before you say that "no country is following Islam properly" I will say that they are all following Islam properly but in there own way. There is no ONE way to interrperet the Quran. It is written in a way that some is clear..but some is really up to the reader..........so the problem lies there.....

When will you people understand that Islam is a wonderful religion...but not a political system...it is meant for the individual human being...not to run societies. You cannot spread the word of religion through brainwashing.....it will not work. So stop trying.

[nobody]

Thank you Brother Shumbola for good words.

Hey whats up guys. You again began to make " complements" on me. Wuahahahahaha, i told you guys to take it easy. I started topic about how harmful pork is, but you turned it in "battle" as usual. Whats wrong with you???? Sun6500 if i got you wrong sorry then. Javanmard you are like child. There is no reference in you posts , only blaaa, blaaa, blaaa. Learn from Sun6500. You accuse me on being rude? Heh man , i told you take it easy. And we are talking here about Halal and Haram , not about politics? Hehe man, i don't think that if i laugh everybody believes me. I don't need it. I laughed because it was funny.

Ok, anyway, take it easy. Btw, Javanmard please don't say that you will eat pork because of my post. I have enough sins, i needn't any more. If you don't like my posts just don't read them. But don't do any thing because of me.

Keep your nerv cells guys. Nerv cells are not recoverable. Wuahahahahahahahahaha.

Your sincerely
nobody

[Javanmard]

Once again you laugh at people just because they disagree with you...

and my posts did have reference...it had reference to your post..and you saying that the Quran is a guide for life.....if it is a guide...(which it is not) then it is not very good......

You laugh as much as you want...but the truth is you are a fanatic....and you need counselling...

[SUN6500]

Thank You Javanmard for supporting me point. Speaking of Shumbola's response, I think it was completely off the course. The topic posted here was the dangers of meat products, right ? So I posted one in regards to it. I am not getting into religious polemic anymoure, for the very reason that it is fruitless to discuss. And Nobody, once again, breaking into mad laughter wouldn't prove your point. Its rude and makes the others to form an opinion of you a far different that you really expect them to think.

[sm1]

"Bismillo" deb buzokni syusang, keep other things the same, bir narsa uzgararmikan?

[ShumBOLA]

Hey Javanmard,
nice to hear back from ya after a looong time...

"shumbola,
First thing...who has been brainwashing all of you guys??? It sounds like you have been to some indoctrination camp....."

Hmm, no I haven't been brainwashed, why? Have you been?

Whenever people can't fight back, they start labeling muslims of being brainwashed, because they can't find a better excuse to make muslims change their minds. Muslims get labeled with different names i.e fanatics, brainwashed, fundamentalist etc, all these because they have faith in their religion and they want to live every aspect of their lives according to the Sunnah of the Prophet Muhammad (saw). And I personally don't care any bit of what you think of me, because my judge is not you but Allah, and I will have to be accountible of my actions and deeds in front of the Most Just and Most Merciful Allah subhanahu wa ta'ala.

"And your analogy about the VCR manual..you see the difference is that if you use the VCR manual...the VCR will work. The Manual for life that you are talking about...if followed properly will make you live like an Arab 1500 years ago. What is the point of that?? Name one Muslim country with a well developed industry and ecconomy. Name one Muslim country that has real freedom for its citezens........"

Javanmard since you aren't a muslim, you don't even have to bother about this. But since you mentioned it, I'll tell you something of my humble knowledge.

You see, it's not that all the muslims wanna live the way Prophet Muhammad (saw) lived, because a lot them don't understand it, some think it's hard, some think it's impossible etc. The reason behind it is simple. It is the yaqeen (conviction). Untill a person has conviction that Islam is the only way he will never live his/her life according to the Sunnah of Rasullulah(saw).
As to your point that following Islam will make people live like an Arab 1500, i think you don't know that Arab, Muhammad (saw), was the model for the whole mankind and closest to Allah and dearest in the sight of Allah. When the Sustainer of the Universe, the Creator of All living things, Allah holds that Arab in the highest esteem out of all his creations, there is nothing else that leads to success both in this world and in the world hereafter. Remember this world is a test, to see whether we'll obey to Allah or not, in our good days and bad days. And a muslims would rather live his luxury and live like Allah commanded him and abide in paradise forever, inshallah.

"Name one Muslim country with a well developed industry and ecconomy. Name one Muslim country that has real freedom for its citezens........"

A Muslim country eh? First of all there is no full fledged Muslim state that follows Shariah 100% and allows people practise 100% Sunnah. Officially, mashallah we have so many countries, but are they really doing what they are told in Quran and Hadith? Unfortunately no...
All the great examples are in the past, when the rulers of khilafah were so humble and lived poor life had a single cloth to wear and ate on the ground like slaves...whereas now you'll find rulers of muslim countries indulge in all sorts of actions, let alone Quran and Sunnah.

Now about the interpretation, my dear what kind of interpretation you are talking about. Regarding salaat? Shariah? Iman? hmm....Well, let me tell you something. Quran emphasizes about salaat(prayer) but it doesn't say how, and Prophet Muhammad(saw) explained it in his ahadith. Quran has explained somethings very clearly, and some not so clearly as you said. And those which aren't mentioned clearly are explained by the Prophet Muhammad (saw), so based upon the serious of ahadith they make a decision which is accepted by the ummah. And that leave no problem, but of course some countries are more hostile than others to Islam, so you'll find different levels of Islamic jurisdiction, not that they are interpreted differently. (If you know something, which is interpeted differently in your opinion let us now, be specific)

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[ShumBOLA]

"When will you people understand that Islam is a wonderful religion...but not a political system...it is meant for the individual human being...not to run societies. You cannot spread the word of religion through brainwashing.....it will not work. So stop trying."

Not just wonderful, but it is the Only way to get a ticket into paradise to abide therein forever. See, there are so many muslims who want to live their lives up to the standard which Rasulullah (saw) showed, but obviosly their government don't like this idea at all. Wherever you look, when musilms try to do something according to Sunnah, they come across so many obstacles. Simple fact, a woman who is in hijab even in the USA will not be hired by a firm, because they think it's outrages, whereas woman only protecting herself from outside environment. And a man with beard, wearing Sunnah dress, do you think he'll get a job in any business firm, no way. Because it's not appropriate they say. This is just a tip of iceberg, there are still tons of other obstacles that a muslim has to face, especially in eastern world, much less in western. And the reason is the hostile government. Untill Islamic government is setup people won't be able to live their lives freely according to the Sunnah of Rasulullah(saw). And untill then muslims will be a 3rd class citizens always subject to double standards when it comes to judging...

Hmm..So you call what I'm doing here on post a brainwashing??? strange...if you look at this from a different agnle, you'll are doing the same thing but with a different motive, Anti-islamic brainwashing propaganda. Right? ;-)
Alhamdulillah, Allah doesn't need my help to spread his Religion, neither me nor anybody else. He says in the quran that if I as a muslim don't do dawah, then he'll raise somebody else to do it, and that somebody else will not be like me, but stronger in faith. Even if I stop doing this, he'll give hidayh (guidance) to somebody else who'll resume my work and do even better, for Allah is the Greatest.
So my friend, if you have anything to say against Islam you are most welcome, you aren't the only one whom I came across. You've already scoulded and called with different names muslims, who are simply don't want to live their lives your way....but the way Allah, the Creator of the universe adores, by following the model of Muhammad(saw).

SUN6500, my point was simply that unless you are a muslim and believe in Allah, why would you even bother about pork??? Eat whatever you wanna eat, I don't care. But if you are a muslim, if you accepted the covenant between Allah and you, then keep in mind He's the Most Beneficent and All Knowing. Even if you argue about the fact that beef is as harmful as pork, via scientific testing and reasoning, I'm 100% sure that you'll get a result that beef isn't as harmful as pork.

May Peace and Blessings of Allah be with you
S H U M B :) L A

[SUN6500]

Yet again, this discussion's topic was to discuss the harms of pork, if I am not mistaken ? Very good from your side that you don't care what I eat, because this is the way it should be. The food was the main point of this topic so I brushed off the topic to clarify my point about it. Besides if I accept the covenant between Allah or God and me, this is between God and me, and not even signle person has a right to teach or comment on it besides than God himself, due to a very reason that religion is a personal and very private issue.

Speaking of beef being less harmful than pork, I am sure that it is lesser harm than pork, and personally I don't care if you eat lamb chops or fried eel. Nonetheless it is harmful whether you like it or not. There is no such thing is as a lesser death or greater death, there is a death. And it is cause by red meat if consumed regularly.

Cheers,

SUN6500

[ShumBOLA]

SUN6500,
death is prescribed by Allah, and nothing can make it lesser death or greater. It will happen exactly when it was prescribed by Allah. So don't you worry about that. The point is whether or not you follow what you know...

Hamma narsa ham meyorida degan maqolni bilmaysizmi? Har qanday mahsulotni agar meyoridan ko'p yoki meyoridan kam iste'mol qilinsa, zarar bo'ladi. Xyddi shunday, Go'shtni ham ko'p esangiz zarari albatta bo'ladi, kam yesangiz ham. Lekin go'shtdagi leykositlarni o'rnini boshqa maxsulotlar uningdek bosa olmaydi. (Pure bilan Impure'ni farqini bilsangiz kerak. Pork impure, beef pure) Impurity can't be avoided by boiling or frying.

Atak, nafsini boshqara olmaydiganlar uchun, ro'za tutgan maqul.
Peace,
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