Halal and Halal

[nobody]

In the name of Allah.

Assalomu Alaykum.

As we can from my previous topic some guys have misunderstanding about what is Halal and Haram. So what is the Halal and Haram?

What Is Halal?

"Halal" is a Quranic Term, which means 'Lawful' or 'Permitted'. Sometimes it is translated as 'Acceptable' or 'Not forbidden'. Halal foods and drinks are permitted for consumption by Allah- the supreme lawgiver. In the Holy Quran, Allah commands Muslims and all of mankind to eat of the Halal things. Eating Halal is obligatory.

What Is Haram?

The opposite of 'Halal' is "Haram", which means 'Unlawful' or 'Prohibited". The other words used for Haram is 'Unacceptable' or 'Forbidden'. Haram foods and drinks are absolutely prohibited for consumption by Allah. Eating Haram is forbidden for every Muslim. If a Muslim consumes Haraam foods, he would be sinful.

What Is Mushbooh?

"Mushbooh" is an Arabic term which means 'doubtful' or 'suspected'. If one does not know the Halal or Haram status of a particular food or drink, such a food or drink is doubtful. A practicing Muslims prevents himself from consuming doubtful things.

The terms Halal and Haram will be used strictly to describe food products, meat products, cosmetics, personal care products, food ingredients, beverages and food contact materials. Which foods are Halal or which foods are Haram, is decided according to the Holy Quran and the Glorious Shari’ah (Islamic Law).Most diets and foods are considered to be Halaal unless Islamic Law specifically prohibits them.

The following products are definitely Halal:
1. Milk (from cows, sheeps, camels or goats).
2.Honey.
3.Fish.
4.Plants which are not intoxicant.
5.Fresh or naturally frozen vegetables.
6.Fresh or dried fruits.
7.Legumes like peanuts, cashew nuts, hazel nuts, walnuts, etc.
8.Grains such as wheat, rice, rye, barley, oat, etc.

Animals such as cows, sheep, goats, deer, moose, chickens, ducks, game birds, etc., are also Halal, but they must be Zabihah (slaughtered according to Islamic Rites) in order to be suitable for consumption. The procedure is as follows: the animal must be slaughtered by a Muslim by putting the animal down on the ground (or holding it if it is small) and slitting it's throat with a very sharp knife to make sure that the main blood vessels are cut. While cutting the throat of the animal without severing it, the person has to recite "Bismillah Allah-u-Akbar".

The following items have been categorically spelled out as being Haram:

1. Pig/Swine/Pork and its by-products.
2. Blood and blood by-products.
3. Carnivorous animals.
4. Reptiles and insects.
5. Halal animals which are not slaughtered according to the Islamic Law.
6. Animals killed in the name of anyone other than God.
7. The bodies of dead animals or dead before slaughtering.
8. Alcohol and intoxicants such as Wine, Ethyl Alcohol, and Spirits etc.

The above mentioned items are Haram and should be strictly avoided by all Muslims.

Foods containing ingredients in the following are example of Mushbooh:

1. Gelatin.
2. Enzymes.
3. Emulsifiers.
4. Lard.
5. Glycerol/glycerin etc.

Muslim should avoid such foods containing Mushbooh or questionable ingredients. Before consuming such items, we have to confirm the source of these ingredients.

(to be continuied...... )

[nobody]

The following ingredients should be avoided by all Muslims:

Lard: All forms should be avoided except for Plant/Microbial/Synthetic.
The fat of pigs or hogs melted down and made clear. Lard is made especially of the internal fat of the abdomen and is used in cooking.

(Source: World Book Dictionary Millennium 2000 Edition)

Gelatin: An odorless, tasteless, protein substance like glue or jelly obtained by boiling the bones, hoofs, and other waste parts of animals. It dissolves easily in hot water and is used in making jellied salads and desserts, camera film, and glue.

(Source: World Book Dictionary Millennium 2000 Edition)

Pepsin: An enzyme in the gastric juice of the stomach that helps to digest meat, eggs, cheese, and other proteins.

(Source: World Book Dictionary Millennium 2000 Edition)

Enzymes: Microbial Enzymes are okay

A protein substance produced in living cells, that influences a chemical reaction within a plant Or animal without being changed itself an organic catalyst. Enzymes help break down food so that it can be digested. Pepsin is an enzyme.

(Source: World Book Dictionary Millennium 2000 Edition)

Rennet: Substance containing rennin, obtained from the stomach of a calf or other ruminant, used for curdling milk in making cheese and junket.

(Source: World Book Dictionary Millennium 2000 Edition)

Whey: Should be avoided unless it is made using vegetables.
The watery part of milk that separates from the curd when milk sours and becomes coagulated or when cheese is made.

(Source: World Book Dictionary Millennium 2000 Edition)

Rennet is used to curd the milk. Whey should be avoided because the rennet used to curd the milk could be from a haram or non-Zabihah animal.

Vanilla Extract: A flavoring extract made from the vanilla bean and used in candy, ice cream, and perfumes.

(Source: World Book Dictionary Millennium 2000 Edition)

The flavor extracted from vanilla beans is soluble only in alcohol. Documentation from a distributor of vanilla extract shows that the ingredient contains over 50% alcohol.

IMPORTANT: Look out for these ingredients when you shop. Always remember to read the ingredients before you buy any food product.

[nobody]

Some Ayats from the Holy Qur'an:

O ye people! eat of what is on earth, lawful and good; and do not follow the footsteps of the Evil One, for he is to you an avowed enemy.

(AL BAQARAH, 2:168 )

Forbidden to you (for food) are: dead meat, blood, the flesh of swine, and that on which hath been invoked the name of other than Allah. that which hath been killed by strangling, or by a violent blow, or by a headlong fall, or by being gored to death; that which hath been (partly) eaten by a wild animal; unless ye are able to slaughter it (in due form); that which is sacrificed on stone (altars); (forbidden) also is the division (of meat) by raffling with arrows: that is impiety. This day have those who reject faith given up all hope of your religion: yet fear them not but fear Me. This day have I perfected your religion for you, completed My favour upon you, and have chosen for you Islam as your religion. But if any is forced by hunger, with no inclination to transgression, Allah is indeed Oft-forgiving, Most Merciful.

(AL-MAIDAH, 5:3)

They ask thee what is lawful to them (as food). Say: lawful unto you are (all) things good and pure.

(AL MA'IDAH, 5:4)

Eat of the things which Allah hath provided for you, lawful and good; but fear Allah, in whom ye believe.

(AL MA'IDAH, 5:88 )

So eat of the sustenance which Allah has provided for you, lawful and good; and be grateful for the favors of Allah, if it is He Whom ye serve.

(AL NAHL,16:114)

The food of the People of the Book is lawful unto you and yours is lawful unto them.

(AL MA'IDAH, 5:5)

Note that in the last Ayah (5:5) It says that it is lawful to eat the food of the people of the Book, i.e. Cristiances and Jews. But it doesn't indicate that Muslims can eat meat which is in the shops. The reason is that, God Almighty bid both Cristiances and Jews to follow special procedure to slaughter animals. Some of you have an idea about it , for example, AFAIK Jews strictly follow this procedure. Their word " Kosher " is something similar "Halal" in Islam. Jews allow to slaughter animals only by Rabbies (Jews relegious clerk). But i am not sure whether it is allowed or not. A lot of changes occured in their relegion since the time of Rasullilloh (saw).
In the case of "Cristiances" i can say that it is impossible to find cristiances who follow their religion. Thus, i don't think that there is any meat which is slaughtered by in an appropriate way. As all of you know, today animals are killied first then they will be cut into pieces. In one word: AVOID MEATS IN THE SHOPS.

And ALLAH (JJ) knows the best.

JazakAllohu hairan.

nobody

[nobody]

Ooooooooppppppppssss. :-D :-D :-D
Something wrong with me today. Hehe, i wanted to put topic as " Halal and Haram " , but i realised just know that i have written it as " Halal and Halal " :D :D :D . Anyway, you know what i wanted to write.


Sincerely Yours
nobody

[Javanmard]

Why are you writing pages and pages of this crap????

Who cares?? Who asked you to write this?? Your Mullah?? We're sick of you Hizb ul Tahriris!!!!

BTW..what is the scientific evidence that eating Insects is bad for you??? And if reptiles are Haram, why do Arabs eat Lizards????:) They really eat lizards in Saudi Arabia...Saudis are animals we know..but they follow your religion..so if it is Haram they wont eat it!!!!!

Your information I think is as inaccurate as you...pls. ask your free loading Mullah in England to clarify the lies he has been telling you...

thanks.

[stud@]

good topic, now i know what moslems are not allowed to eat.

Arabs eat lizards, that's correct, AFAIK even sahabas used to eat lizards and drink camels urine -;)))

as for Pork - it's great, I tasted pork, didn't like eat, neither do non-moslems; the reason why they eat pork is it' s cheaper then lamb or beef.

Pork was not eaten by our forfathers too, greek historians (guess Arrian) mentioned skyths eating no pork.

good job nobody, just request - can you serve your informative messages in popular form, to avoid attacks by non-moslems or just ignorants, if you write allah allah 100 times, I star having nightmares with this word, thanks.

[nobody]

Javanmard calm down. You act as if i killed one of your friends or relatives. Everything what you told about me is WRONG. Have you ever met me man?????? Ok, i don't want to waste any more time to you, because you don't want to know the TRUTH, even you don't know what do you want. You don't know even who are you really: believer or not. You are mentally sick man. Wuahahahaha, go to the Doctor, he can help you (if it is not late yet).

Dear stud@ ,sorry i didn't understand your request, what do you mean by "popular forum" ?
Also, what do you mean by " if you write allah allah 100 times, I star having nightmares with this word,..... " ??? I really didn't get it.

And BEAR IN YOUR MIND GUYS, i have posted these messages not for non-believers or ignorants, but for Muslim Brothers and Sisters. Most part of this message are not mine, except the last clatifying of Surah Al Ma'idah 5:5. If you have exact questions ask me, i'll try to reply at my best. But i can't help you on your ignorance and stupidity. Don't cry here like mad, it has no benefit to no one of us.

Thank you for your attention.

Sincerely yours
nobody

[Javanmard]

Nobody,

why do you call everybody who disagrees with you "mentally sick"?? That is not fair but fits in with my idea of you.........

May I remind you that this is not a religous board....if you want to post topics on religion...why not find a religous board.....

I have nothing against Islam...but if you keep trying to force it down peoples throats...over and over and over again....then it gets a little bit redudant.....

I think you spend too much time studying these things....why don't you get a hobby...paint, learn to play the violin, fly kites.......BTW I am not kidding...your total preoccupation with Islam is unhealthy....

[Dani]

Good topic Nobody I support you this is very useful information for us.Go on Bro!!
May Allah bless you!!!

[CE]

Javanmard (Jun 10, 2001 06:50):
Nobody,

why do you call everybody who disagrees with you "mentally sick"?? That is not fair but fits in with my idea of you.........

May I remind you that this is not a religous board....if you want to post topics on religion...why not find a religous board.....

I have nothing against Islam...but if you keep trying to force it down peoples throats...over and over and over again....then it gets a little bit redudant.....

I think you spend too much time studying these things....why don't you get a hobby...paint, learn to play the violin, fly kites.......BTW I am not kidding...your total preoccupation with Islam is unhealthy....

Loook J, I guess you how to read and you read the topic of the message. It is pretty obviouse from the topic that it is a religiouse message. If you don't like just don't read it, ok? No one is forcing you to read it. I personally find it informative and useful.

[Javanmard]

Your that guy who threatened me before......I checked your numbers out and found nothing....

Listen, if I send Nobody a message...only nobody can tell me what to write and what not to write......

thankyou....

[Murod]

Nobody, bro,
Jazakallohu khoyr. May Alah Bless you!! Good info, indeed. Was really helpfull.

Javanmard>>
Why are you writing pages and pages of this crap? Hey, you bro, you know that you hate muslims or Islam and tremble every time if someone reminds you about Islam, Allah (SWT), muslims. So why do you click this topic and read it. You will be against anyway, so why waste your time. Allah is kifoya for you bro. This topic is not for you, bro. Just ignore such topics and keep silent and that will be beneficial for you rather than expressing your hate. Coz you will give account for every single word you say and moreover, Allah SWT proclaims a war and revenge for those who hates His true believers. So watch out!

CE>>
You bro, where is it said that this board is not for religios postings? Hehe, I guess you wanted to say that this is only for discussing about "Samiy sovremmenaya devushka or mujik?".

Ok, it's up to you bros. Fear Allah. The Day of Judgement is approaching closer and closer, day by day. Today it is one day closer than yesterday.

Nobody, keep going. Good job!

[SUN6500]

May I know what Operating system is considered Halal to use ? Is SBus Ok vs PCI ? Or is do we have to uses Pentium vs AMD ? :)

[April]

:-) ... hmm, that is a challenging question SUN6500 :-p I hope nobody or dani will be able to help

[SUN6500]

:) :) :) Thank You April :) :) :)

[nobody]

Assalomu Alaykum ( to whom it may concern).

Thank you Bro. Murod for good words. May Allah (swt) Bless you too. Your words encourage me.

Hey whats up Admins? Whats wrong with forum.uz? I could not download it for half an hour. I need to wait 30 min. to reply to the threads? Is it only me facing this problem? Neither i can download choyhona.uz.

Javanmard i don't want to reply to you because you are mentally sick. Not because you are against me. There is a lot of people against me , but if me or somebody else explains the situation or our position they stop cursing us. Besides this they all on the topic. They don't cry blaming others on extremism, fanatizm, etc. Only you do it. Because you are unable to understand what about the topic is. You don't have anything to prove your claims or statements. Thats why you only insult others. If you see the word "Islam" or "Muslim" you go upset. You are ill man. You are mentally sick. Go to the Doctor before it is not late. And take your advice to yourself. First you apply them to yourself. Its my business with what to occupy my time. Anyway, you words are nothing. They don't make any sense.

Allright let me answer to the " the very chanlanging " question of our Dear Sun6500.
" The very challanging " wuahahahahaahhahaha.

April--> Vidno shto ti chelovek ne dalekogo uma. Ti cho tak rad??? Dumal shto eto tak trudno otvetit na etot vopros?

It seems guys that you discovered something that proves Islam as none applicable to the modern life. Wuahahahahahaha, i tell it hundred times, its not discussion board its funny board. I come here and have a lot of fun.

Ok, anyway. You asked me question i should answer. First of all i have NO RIGHT or AUTHORIZATION to say something Halal or Haram unless i have strong argument of it. But i try to answer to your question as fairly as i can, according to my knowledge. May Allah (swt) forgive me if i make mistake.

As it was said before " Halal" means "lawful" or "permitted" or " Acceotable" or "Not forbidden". My answer will be based on it.

Dear Sun6500, its OK to use any Operating System or any Prossesor as long as they are bought to the Halal money. By Halal money i mean the money which one gained as a result of his own black work ( qora mehnat) or inhereted it. Also if one has taken it as a gift. All of them is ok, and you can use them as much as you want without fear. ( Acceptable to use). In the cases such as If you bought it to the money which you stoled from somebody else, or gained as a result of bribery,forbidden business, such as prostitution, drug sales , etc, and other unlawful ways, it is considered not acceptable to use them.

Do you satisfied with my answer? I m not good in English thats why ,although i have tried in my best to express my thoughts, one can find it not enough or not clear. And the conclusion is that It is permitted to use anything which is gained in a lawful way ( The LAWS which set up by Allah(jj) )
whether it is prossesor or airplane, only for good purposes.

Sun6500 , don't be so happy that people like Javanmard or April support you. Uzbeks have such a saying " Ahmoq do'stdan aqlli dushman ming marta yahshi " . ( I think you understand Uzbek.) I m not referring myself "aqlli dushman" , because i m not your enemy. Just beware such a stupid "friends". Do you think that such kinda people who don't obey to their Creator will be loyal to you. Nay.
Even dogs don't bite their owners, because they feed them. But some of you even don't want to recognise the ONE Who Created you from nothing, Who feed you, Who made you superior to animals. Can such a people be loyal to others? How they can? They betrayed the Creator what can you expect from them? They laugh on the Words of Creator. They want to make the mock of It. Do you really think guys you can make the mock of the Holy Qur'an??? Millions of people, who even million times wiser than you could not do it, how can you do it? If you really think so , i m sorry for you guys, i m very sorry for you. Just get rid of your Ignorance and Proud and accept Islam. If you don't fear and want The Truth you should do it. Otherwise their is no benefit to argue here guys. I HAVE NO INTENTION TO WIN SOMEBODY HERE ON DISCUSSION OR TO SHOW THAT MY KNOWLEDGE IS SO HIGH. IT DOESN'T BENEFIT ME. AND I DON'T NEED IT. BECAUSE I MYSELF SHOULD LEARN A LOT YET. MY KNOWLEDGE IS NOTHING. BUT I JUST WANT TO KNOW THE TRUTH, THE ETERNAL TRUTH. I DON'T NEED "THE TRUTH" WHICH WILL BE LIE TOMORROW.

Anyway, if you don't want the truth just go **** yourselves and go the hell , i m not interested on it. I have a lot of problems here other than you.
If you want truth and want to have discussion not insulting me you are all wellcome. I don't say you to accept Islam and to become Muslim, i have no benefit on it. It is your business. But i want you to respect people which have faith other than yours. Then we'll have very beatiful world to live.

Thank you for your attention.

Sincerely yours
nobody

[April]

..... is someone having hysterical strike here? :-)

Dear Nobody ,
Let me tell you first, that an intelligent person never calls anyone stupid...
The next issue, if you are tying to prove yourself you mean something, maybe you should keep in mind and be afraid of Allah yourself.
First of all it is Haram to use his name for the purpose of making other people do what you want them to do, and in that way establish your self-esteem in the society. Not anyone but Allah, can tell people what to believe into.
Also, it is Haram to use such words (not only when you speak of other people, but especially when you speak as one of Allah's maids):
- if you don't want the truth just go **** yourselves and go the hell
...very Haram...
Maybe you should try to think after you calm yourself down, that by posting such kind of messages you are just bringing harm to yourself, and not changing anyone's life to better or worse side really. I think Allah would favor you more if you start reading other scientific or literature books, and teach people or kids to it, rather then what you are doing now. Otherwise, your nick kind of fits you.
With best Wishes,
April

[SUN6500]

Gee, nobody you really proved what you really are. If you can't stand positive criticism and cannot handle the polemics just stay our of conversation altogether. You failed to prove your point, and calling people "stupid" without any ground makes you look like a total loser. And your whole statement of Creator and who betrayed who, is your understanding and interpretation of Universe. But I really do respect your belief and cognition while you on the other hand behaving like a total ignorant. The whole point of conversation was to hear each other out, and you miserably failed. The very reason of your failure is a complete ignorance of other people's opinion and abscense of pluralism of ideas which is so alike of paramount ideology of the Soviet Union. In other words "My way or highway."

Cheers,

SUN6500

P.S. Before you try to send someone out to **** themselves, you should try it on youself first. "Pichog'ni o'zinga ur, og'rimasa boshqaga ur." (Hope you understand Uzbek likewise). By the way, it is just another point that you can't handle people's comments.

[Major]

Nobody, thanks , bro! I really needed all that information.
Good job!

Javanmard, May God have a mercy on your soul, parazi!

[www]

Nobody , you are a moron with extreemestic views on religion. You've been brainwashed and become a zombi, people like you are the plague of this world. you are like an animal who lived in a cage and once granted a freedom of thought can't handle it and limit yourself to some smaller part of enviroment.

Go out do drugs, get drunk, get laid, have fun, study, learn, make different friends; experince everything and then try to share your revalations with others. Person familiar with one topic only, can not and go preach about it because you fail to understand other. next time shove your religious doctrines up to your as#!

[nobody]

Hi everybody, here we are again.

I think You didn't understand me guys. Last time i was a little bit nervous because it had difficulties in downloading forum.uz.

First of all it is Haram to use his name for the purpose of making other people do what you want them to do, and in that way establish your self-esteem in the society......
First of all April i told it hundred times, i have no purpose to make other people to do what i want them to do, not at all. Then i have no intention to establish my self-esteem in the society. Where did you get these notions man? Did i ever mentioned. It is not topic between u and me. The purpose of the topic is another. Their is no intention forcing others in my words. Show me if i have.

Dear Sun6500. You failed to prove your point, and calling people "stupid" without any ground makes you look like a total loser. I have given ground to my words. Read my previous posts first. If u can't find i can't help u. Hehe, i m a loser??? Are we playing game? I told you man we are not argueing to show who is right or who is wrong (i.e. who is winner or who is loser) , i thought we want to find out what is right what is wrong. In latter case there is no loser. Of course , if ur intention is to prove that u r right, u may call me whatever u want, it doesn't change anything. You have failed to prove your point... Where???? Where i have failed to do it. Show me Dear Sun6500. Or u haven't satisfied with my previous answer?
Btw, i m sorry that i called ur friends stupid Dear Sun6500.

Sincerely yours
nobody.

P.S. Dear Sun6500, i send somewhere the people who don't want to know the truth and who just want to insult me and to show that only he is right ( one of them is the author of the previous post). If you think that u r one of them it is ur problem , i can't help u. U have chosen it urself.
As Uzbeks say " Gap egasini topadi" .

[SUN6500]

The whole point here is to discuss different ideas, right ? Otherwise this thread can't be qualified to be called a discussion. Therefore, if you're just trying to preach and not to listen to other people's ideas, you may as well not put this out for a discussion. You claimed you have given a ground to your words, but some people questioned the very validity of your points, which resulted in you claiming them as "stupid." No one is playing games here, and I assume you aren't either. The very message of yours as you claimed to find out "what is right and what is wrong" is questionable. Because the very answer to this question only comes out if different ideas clash and the common consensus reached between debating parties. "What is right and what is wrong" cannot be dictated upon by single source due to a propensity of a corruption of single idea expresssed.
You failed to prove your point by blaming people as stupid and resulting an insult of advising them to go and **** themselves. I just thought that people should express their ideas while still maintaining some type of respect to opponents ideas.

[Javanmard]

Hello everybody,

There is no point arguing with a fanatic. By very definition a fanatic is a person whos mind is totally on one track.

This guy nobody, really believes that God is a petty, moronic being, who does not care if you are violent, rude or abusive, but only cares that you follow a set bunch of stupid rules.....

ie...you can beat on some guys for not praying, you can rape a woman because her hair is not covered...but as long as you pray, don't eat pork, you will be Ok..in God's eyes.......

Nobody, Murad you have very primitive views of religion......

[nobody]

Hi there.
Dear Sun6500. Please stop it. We can endlessly argue with each other. I have asked you direct question but you even didn't mentioned it.
You repeated almost the same post u've posted before.
First of all, Dear Sun6500 ALL my posts are INFORMATIVE posts. It is like Dictionary or Encioclopedia. I post them so that people could benefit from them. I show references or sources as much as i can.
So you say that in discussion their should be at least 2 parts, do you? So where is the second part????? I posted my side information and showed their source. So i m first part. Do u consider urself second part? Then where is your idea? Don't tell me ur blaaaa, blaaaa, or something else. Right u asked me question i answered as much as i can. But i still can't see second part of the Discussion.... Maybe it is Javanmard????? U have no IDEA supported by any source. I don't say accept my ideas ( first of all they are not my ideas, and they are not ideas at all they are Rules and Laws. But as long as i presented them here, let's assume them idea), not at all. Please, find contradiction on my posts to tha Holy Qur'an and/or Islam. Then present it to me. Then we can have a nice discussion. We don't have it yet. If you prove your side arguments or ideas with reliable Islamic sources i'll accept it with happiness, because at last we'll find the truth. I'll change my wrong opinion to right one. And Dear Sun6500, plz BEAR IN UR MIND My posts are intended for people who believe in Qur'an and accept it as a Word of God and who wish to live according to it, but not for all people. Thats why if u think that they are not right( for u) or not acceptable for u or u can't live with them in modern life or whatever else Just don't mention my posts. Or have i ever written that EVERYBODY MUST ACCEPT THIS . ?????? I think i haven't.

All of my posts are informative. Allah (swt) Bids His slaves to Amru-Maruf ( invite to good deeds) and Nahiy-Munkar ( call not to do bad deeds). And i believe to it. Please don't rush on me if you don't have a clear argument. It will be good for all of us. And think whatever you want about me.... Because it is not you who judges. Allah (swt) knows very well who m i.

Dear Sun6500, please don't post any more ( if u don't have a strong argument) . Because man bogdan kelsam san togdan kelasan. I don't like such conversations. Up untill now u didn't show me no single argument.

Good Luck to everybody.

Sincerely Yours
nobody

[Javanmard]

oi-oi-oi....
I am very very sorry nobody, now I understood everything...I realized that I am not clever enbough to understand these things...

I am wondering, nobody what about the meat (chicken, beef)that we buy from the supermarket-?

ok, I apologize for everybody...I am not mentally normal, I can not think in a proper way, sorry...

with all my respect to Uzbeks !
Javanmard


Salmanya
PO Box (**) Manama
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[Javanmard]

oi-oi-oi....
I am very very sorry nobody, now I understood everything...I realized that I am not clever enbough to understand these things...

I am wondering, nobody what about the meat (chicken, beef)that we buy from the supermarket-?

ok, I apologize for everybody...I am not mentally normal, I can not think in a proper way, sorry...

with all my respect to Uzbeks !
Javanmard

I would better go to this site: http://www.thehun.net

Salmanya
PO Box (**) Manama
Bahrain
+0973 (****)

[Javanmard]

oi-oi-oi....
I am very very sorry nobody, now I understood everything...I realized that I am not clever enbough to understand these things...

I am wondering, nobody what about the meat (chicken, beef)that we buy from the supermarket-?

ok, I apologize for everybody...I am not mentally normal, I can not think in a proper way, sorry...

with all my respect to Uzbeks !
Javanmard

I would better go to this site: http://www.thehun.net

Salmanya
PO Box (**) Manama
Bahrain
+0973 (****)

[stud@]

good points guys,

---> nobody,

you are getting better, now you have logic, use less filthy words, try to be accurate,

think the way you ask others to respect people with different opinions is quite fair, and it would be oK if you respect guys having other thoughts too.
==

The way guys disscuss here is quite fruitfull for all - exchange of different points and lerning how to discuss issues.


points to the topic:

there should be some explanations why these things were considered 'haram' by muslims, I think early musims just adopted this code from jews and christians, and why they had such limitaion could be explained probably by gained experience in those nations.

and,

the way you qserve information, dear nobody is not really cool, cause what's "Eating Halal is obligatory"???!

if someone forces me to do smth I woun't do just because of principles, noone can command me to do things so & so, I aint zombi, I have my own brain and can decide for myself, not someone else.

just try to meet different people when writing,

thanks

[Javanmard]

Same SOB is using my name to be funny.....

You small penised piece of crap..go pray and play with your mullah......
You are not muslim..you are just garbage.....

[SUN6500]

Oh, well nobody... There absolutely nothing I can do if you failed to observer people posting posting and debating regarding Halal and Harom. I merely posted my opinion, yet again to clarify. If you didn't want to get into discussion, don't! No one is asking you to start refuting and calling people names. What about all this very topic of halol and haram ? How about I am expressing my doubts about it, and the whole issue of pork and beef issue from another thread ? Wasn't that sufficient enough of argument that provided ? No "idea supported by any source " ? What the hell this suppose to mean ? How about all this stuff about beef and pork thing from another thread, which in my opinion IS DIRECTLY LINKED to this thread.
Besides, what are you trying to say with

"If you prove your side arguments or ideas with reliable Islamic sources i'll accept it with happiness, because at last we'll find the truth." ??

Huh?? Only Islamic ? Can you get even more rigid than that ??! I can't believe you can be so pathetic! So other non-Islamic ideas aren't the truthful ?? Man, your wooden attitude is making you one hell of an authoritarian! This is what I was talking about. Guys like you don't like the diversity of ideas! They're so rigid that the smalles counter strike of an argument tosses them off-balance!

Man bog'dan kelaman ?? Oshna, bog' nimaligi bilish uchun tog'ni ham ko'rib qo'yish kerak. Bo'lmasa butun dunyo bo'g'dan iborat ekan deb yurarkan odam.

[nobody]

Allright guys.

First of all guys, it seems to me that you are very faaaaaaaaar from the topic. Dear stud@, Halal and/or halal is not considered by Muslims, it is said by God and His messanger. Then, yes it is said " eating halal is obligatory", but i think you didn't understand it. Allah (swt) bids believers to eat and to live halal. When somebody bids it mean it is obligatory to do something, m i right? If one considers himself believer and want to obey to God Almighty he must do everything that God and His messangers bid ( of course as much as he can , not out of his ability). BUT, if you don't want to obey to these rules nobody forces to do it, its not obligatory to the persons who don't believe and don't accept it. Am i clear? For example its obligatory to pray 5 times a day to the adult person, BUT no one has the right to force others to do it. Got it?
Ok, i'll try in this way. Look, there are rules for everything. For example , there are rules for roads ( yol harakati koidalari). All cars (actually car drivers) should follow these rules. (Obligatory by law). But , these rules don't relate to the pedestranians and air planes and boats and etc , because they are ruled by other rules. It would be silly to present road rules to air planes. Lets assume that car drivers are believers and others are non-believers. Then, not all car drivers follow the rules, m i right? For several reasons: some just don't want to obey these rules while knowing them, others for some reasons don't know them, anothers group for some reason have to break these rules ( when they are late somewhere, etc). But all of them are agree that they are breaking the law ( some may be don't confess it openly , but in their inside they know that this is wrong). It is not cars which is guilty but their drivers are. Because they break the obligatory rules. I mean not our bodies are guilty in our sins , but our souls. But ultimately our bodies will be punished.
Sometimes police can catch them , sometimes not ( depending on circumstances). But it is not the same with the Laws of God Almighty. One cannot escape the God. He will judge them fairly , but not today , not even tomorrow ( sometimes He may do it), but when the time comes. I remember i m not talking about others , the captians of air planes , boats , etc....
So, my point is here, i m just reminds to the " car drivers" the rules they should follow, which are obligatory to follow. If you are the captain of air plane my posts don't relate to you. And if you find anything wrong in "the rules" which are posted here by me, please show it to me. And bring with you "the rules related to the road (car drivers)" not for "air planes".
I think stud@ you understood all i told. Thats why it is obligatory to eat halal. But it doesn't mean that i m or somebody else is going to force you to do something.
Agar odamzod Alloh(swt)ni rozi kilaman desa shu qonunlarga boysunishi kerak, tamom vassalom. Agar istamasa bu har kimni ozini problemasi. Man bu erda post kilgan narsalarimni hammasini 100% togri deb da'vo kilayotganim yok, Beayb Parvardigor. Man ham bularni boshka erda olib post kildim. Agar hato eri bolsa aytinglar qayta mangayam yahshi boladi. Lekin eslarizdan chikmasin bu erda hech kim hech kimni hech narsaga majbur kilayotgani yok.
Thus Dear stud@ you can just don't mention it.

Sincerely yours
nobody.

[nobody]

Hmmmmm Sun6500. I think you can derive answer to your question from above explanation, can you?
Anyway , i'll try myself.

Huh?? Only Islamic ? Can you get even more rigid than that ??! I can't believe you can be so pathetic! So other non-Islamic ideas aren't the truthful ??
So you ask why only Islamic sources..... Hmmmm, tell me then what else sources we should use to identify what halal or harom? What else sources we supposed to use? I think the terms "Halal" and "Haram" are only used in Islam. Do you think i can find something on the VCR manual named "halal" and/or "haram". May be we should use Jews sources to do it? May be we should use " Economics" by Fisher? I really like this book , very informative, but their is no single word about halal and/or haram. What the hell sources should we use to identify them( other than Islamic), tell me Please Sun6500???? May be i m searching in wrong place. May be i should go and read " Al jabr val Mukobala" ??? Maybe you suggest me the constitution of France or USA. The very useful sources indeed. If you find something related to the halal and haram stuff , please tell me, i'll be very happy. Otherwise, i'd better to follow Islamic sources ( others too).

Man, your wooden attitude is making you one hell of an authoritarian! This is what I was talking about. Guys like you don't like the diversity of ideas!.... Thank you for compliment.....

How about all this stuff about beef and pork thing from another thread, which in my opinion IS DIRECTLY LINKED to this thread.... I really didn't get what are you asking? Are You asking its source? Then i have written it on the bottom of that post. Something like " Singapoure Health service " ( i don't remember exactly just now, sorry for that, but i've written it) .

....How about I am expressing my doubts about it, and the whole issue of pork and beef issue from another thread ?.....
If you have doubt , first go and search, or ask me question. Up until now you asked me only one question, "challanging question" as some guys called it.

Man bog'dan kelaman ?? Oshna, bog' nimaligi bilish uchun tog'ni ham ko'rib qo'yish kerak. Bo'lmasa butun dunyo bo'g'dan iborat ekan deb yurarkan odam.
Maqolniyam sharmandasini chikarib tashadingku. Maqol nima haqidayu san nimalarni gapirasan.
Bog'ni nimaligini bilish uchun tog'ni ham korib koyish KERAKMAYDI. Bog'ni ozini korishgina kifoya. Erni nimaligini bilish uchun obyezatelno Yupiterni nimaligini bilish shart emas. Traktorni nimaligini bilish uchun obyezatelno balikni nimaligini bilish shart emas. Olmani nimaligini bilish uchun obyezatelno Samalyotda uchush shart emas......
Ha yahshi ozing bilasan, har kimni ihtiyori ozida.

And Allah(swt) knows the Best.

Sincerely yours
nobody.


P.S.If i've forgotten to answer to some of you questions please remind me.

[nobody]

This is the source of my posts

http://halal.50megs.com/

Go inside and search. I have made some copy paste and joined different pages together.

Sincerely yours
nobody

[nobody]

Oh, how could i miss this. I just found out it( from the same web-site).

An Important Discussion On Zahbia and People of the books (Christian or Jews).

Question: Whether the Zahbia of people of the books (Christian or Jews) and places where the food is severed and sold by them (i.e meat), What does the Shariah requirements of its legality and reliability, especially where there is doubt or when Muslims are not certain if the name of Allah' was mentioned at the time of slaughter.

Answer by Mufti Taqi Usmani
Darul Uloom, Karachi, Pakistan

Concerning this issue? It is my opinion that the Zabiha performed by the a person among the people of the book is not the only condition other necessary conditions are:

At time of slaughter the name of Allah' must be mentioned
Jaguar vein must be cut similar to Islamic Shariah.
These above conditions are equally applies to a Muslim as well as to people of the books. The main reasons that Islam permits the Zabiha of people of the book and forbidden the meats of Mushrikin (those who associate with Allah i.e. Christian) at that time the people of the books used to respect the requirements of Zabiha that were imposed by the Islamic Shariah.
Ref:('maghribi mumalic kay chand Jadid fiqhi masail aur unka hul') 'Current fiqh problems and their solution for the West'. Memon Islamic Publisher, Karachi, Pakistan


What Reliable Ulema say about the people of the books?

Source: 'The Noble Quran Tafser-e- Usmani' by Allama Shabbir Ahmed Uthmani 1885-1949 English translation by Maulana Muhammad Ashfaq Ahmad Ulema of Deoaband (India).

Allah may have granted this concession because The Christians and Jews, however, believe; though wrongly, the Divine Revelation and Prophet hood, and they are apt for further reformation.

Exceptions:The Idolaters, Polytheist, (such as Hindu, Buddhist etc.) are not granted this concession. Perhaps, because their hearts are more defiled by atheism or polytheism and are not acceptable in a Muslim Society. If a Muslim woman (or man) becomes Christian of Jew denouncing Islam, she or he is not lawful for marriage because she/he in an apostate.
Similarly, the food of an apostate is not lawful though, he may sacrifice the animal pronouncing the Name of Allah' thousand times over it.
For example, the girls of the Qadyanis (Ahymedia sect) who are declared apostates by the Muslims are not lawful for marriage, nor their sacrifice is lawful to eat.
Similarly, the women of other religions as Hinduism and Buddhism are not lawful; neither the sacrifice of the Hindus and Bodhist is lawful. Allah' does not recognize any other religion (except the Religion of the Jews and Christians) as a Heavenly Religion. The Religion of the Jews and Christian is heavenly though they have much distorted their religions, and though Islam abrogates their religions, because abrogation does not discard their heavenly character.


Maulana Ashraf Ali Thanvi's decree, Ulema of Deoband (India)
source: 'Fatawa Rahimiyah' by Mufti Abur Rahim Lajpuri

"But those who are called Christians nowadays are mostly Christian as a community; religiously they are simply 'agnostics' (One who believes that there can be no proof of the existence of God but does not deny the possibility that God exists) and materialists; (those who believe that physical well-being and worldly possessions constitute the greatest good and highest value in life, another word denies Hereafter), to such this order of propriety of marriage is not applicable."
(Indad F vol. ii, p170; Taf. BQ vol. iii, sect 9).


Allaamah Shabbir Ahmed Uthmani who is one of the best commentators of the Quran has observed as follows:

May it be remembered that the Christian contemporaries (modernist) with us are generally 'Christian in name only'. Among them are many, those neither believes in any revealed Book or in any religion or in the existence of Allah. The term scripture (People of Books) cannot be applied to them.
Hence, the religious prescription (hukm)in respect of their slaughtered animal and women will not be like that means for the scripture (People of Books)
May it also be noted that the lawfulness of the thing means that it itself there in non reason for its being unlawful but if external influences and circumstances are such that one has to commit several other unlawful acts to derive benefit from it nay, even if there is possibility of one's committing infidelity (sin), then the deriving of benefit from such thing shall not be permitted.
(Fawaid-e-Surat al-Maida, p.171 sect 6)


It is stated in the 'Tafsir-e- Haqqani' (Vol. IV, p 11):

"that the agnostics of Europe of the period are not Christians at all. It is stated in the Fatawa Dar al-Ulum that those people who are called Christians nowadays are mostly agnostics, they do not believe in any religion and not even convinced of the existence of God.
Though, in the census reports these people are stated to be Christians according to our religious regulation they cannot be termed scripturaries. (vols. i-ii, p. 160, Qadim)
One thing is notable, those Christians and Jews who don't believe in their own Religion are not real Christian and Jews. There are either Atheists or Irreligious. So, they are like Idolaters and Polytheists. Their women are not lawful; their sacrifice is not lawful."


Sincerely yours
nobody

[nobody]

( to be continuied InshAllah.....)

[SUN6500]

Hmmmm, may be I was referring to the very explanation of Harom and Halol ?? May be I was questioning why would beef would consider halol even if it would give you cholesterol level high enough to break you out in spots and give you a heart attack ? Perhaps, quite perhaps I was referencing scientific sources saying that something that you call 'halal' (in this case beef) isn't so halal due to various of factors ? Am I being clear enough as well ? May be I already asked you a question in a different thread that is RELATEd to this thread and you couldn't come up with a valid answer ??

[javanmard]

Nobody,

what is this garbage your writing....this stuff is hate induced crap.....

""But those who are called Christians nowadays are mostly Christian as a community; religiously they are simply 'agnostics' (One who believes that there can be no proof of the existence of God but does not deny the possibility that God exists) and materialists; "

Who is this Maulana of Deoband..some bastard oppotunist??? What does he know...has he spent years in Europe studying the religous habits of the people...He is making up his own opinions and you are following them like a stupid fanatic fool....

I know Christians who have more faith in God than probably all the followers of this idiot "Maulana"...

Do not quote idiot Mullahs, sheikhs and Maulanas and spread there garbage words and scripture.....they have no authority....

You are crossing a line between free speech, and spreading damaging propoganda for intolerance and bigotry....

Please wake up...

[Me]

Nobody,

I was following some of your posts about Islam. I don't think it is wise to reply to Jvanmard or Sun6500.. I mean there is no point.. the audience whom you intended these messages got received what is important. God bless you for that.

regards,

[SUN6500]

I see we have cyborgs online :)

[Searching]

Does it bring the question of co-existence for secular and religious ppl?
If western type educated Umidies are calling each other names when they start discussing the issues what can happen in real life--at bazaars and on streets?

Diversity or division?

Turkey's bitter experience might be useful...

[Searching]

Does it bring the question of co-existence for religious and secular ppl?
If western type educated Umidies are calling each other names when start discussing the issues online what can happen among real people in real life?

Diversity or division??

[javanmard]

To be honest, I think some guys on this board are being a little bit naive.......talking about faith is good...but too much is damaging...this is what leads to fanatisism...

This "maulana" from India reminds me of a true story...told to me about my friends father....

I had a friend called Farhan..he was a muslim from South Central India..near Bangalore. His father worked in a modern bank...and had a good position. Now Farhans family were all part of a group of muslims in Bangalore and they also had there own leader....another Maulana.

One day this idiot Maulana told all his followers that working in a bank is "Haram" because they take interest. He said that if they want to stay in the muslim community they must leave there jobs in banks and look for employment elsewhere.

Now Farhans father first asked this Maulana for an alternative. After all his job in the bank supported his family, fed, clothed and educated his children. the Maulana was adamant, and said that God would provide for him if he quit......

So Farhans father (not being stupid) looked before quitting but saw that getting another job was near impossible....and he took the decision not to leave his job.

Because of this he was literally thrown out of the community, people who were his friends for years stopped talking to him....he was a social outcast......and all for what??? Because an uneducated religous leader tried to force him to give up his livelihood.....

All the other fanatic followers also did not support there friend because of so-called religion....Do you think God wants us to live like this????

I want all of you so-called Muslim intellectuals to understand that any type of over active Muslim movements will surely lead to this kind of idiocy.....

This is a true story and I can tell you hundreds just like it.............

[Student@]

nobody (Jun 15, 2001 10:26):
Allright guys.

.... Dear stud@, Halal and/or halal is not considered by Muslims, it is said by God and His messanger. Then, yes it is said " eating halal is obligatory", but i think you didn't understand it. Allah (swt) bids believers to eat and to live halal. When somebody bids it mean it is obligatory to do something, m i right? If one considers himself believer and want to obey to God Almighty he must do everything that God and His messangers bid ( of course as much as he can , not out of his ability). BUT, if you don't want to obey to these rules nobody forces to do it, its not obligatory to the persons who don't believe and don't accept it. Am i clear?

I think, dear nobody, you are writing your perception of what's obligatory what's not.

you said before:

[quote]nobody (Jun 09, 2001 10:40):
In the name of Allah.

...
What Is Halal?

"Halal" is a Quranic Term, which means 'Lawful' or 'Permitted'. Sometimes it is translated as 'Acceptable' or 'Not forbidden'. Halal foods and drinks are permitted for consumption by Allah- the supreme lawgiver. In the Holy Quran, Allah commands Muslims and all of mankind to eat of the Halal things. Eating Halal is obligatory.



so 'permitted' or 'acceptable', not 'obligatory. So if follow your understanding people who don't like (let's sayà fish MUST eat it, because it is 'obligatory??
a human has right for option in halal things, no dictates in every item.

[Student@]

sorry for misspellings, now will try again

nobody (Jun 15, 2001 10:26):
Allright guys.

.... Dear stud@, Halal and/or halal is not considered by Muslims, it is said by God and His messanger. Then, yes it is said " eating halal is obligatory", but i think you didn't understand it. ...

I think, dear nobody, you are writing your perception of what's obligatory what's not.

you said before:

nobody (Jun 09, 2001 10:40):
In the name of Allah.

...
What Is Halal?

"Halal" is a Quranic Term, which means 'Lawful' or 'Permitted'. Sometimes it is translated as 'Acceptable' or 'Not forbidden'. Halal foods and drinks are permitted for consumption by Allah- the supreme lawgiver. In the Holy Quran, Allah commands Muslims and all of mankind to eat of the Halal things. Eating Halal is obligatory.



so 'permitted' or 'acceptable', not 'obligatory. So if follow your understanding people who don't like (let's say fish) MUST eat it, because it is 'obligatory??
a human has right for option in halal things, no dictates in every item.

[nobody]

Hi there.
You know student@ I answered you DIRECTLY and CLEARLY what does it mean by " obligatory". Ufffffff, kanaka kilib tushintirsam ekana.
Look student@. I'll try one more time. PLZ, read carefully, if you don't understand English tell me i'll use Uzbek or Russian. The " Halal" things are which are permitted to eat whether it is fish or meat. Did you understand it? Ok, then. We eat different things everyday, not only one thing, m i right? Then, all of this things MUST be halal, if you want to be...... ( i explained everything in previous topic). So if you want to be true believer it is obligatory to eat Halal. It is obligatory to eat only permitted foods. In other words it is obligatory not to eat haram food. But it doesn't mean that you MUST eat all food which is Halal. Did you get it? If you don't like fish don't eat it. It is optional to eat fish or melon, its your business. But, Muslim should eat only halal foods. His food should not contain any haram stuff. Did you get it?
Ok, Ozbekcha urinib koraychi.
Koroche, Halol narsalar yeyishga ruhsat berilgan narsalar:balik, non, uzum va h.k. Demak musulmon odam halol ovkatni hohlagan turini eyishi mumkin, hohlasa balik, hohlasa molni goshtini. Tushundingmi? Ok, Lekin, musulmon odamni yeydigan ovkatini tarkidida harom narsa bolmasligi kerak. Yani, haromni yeyish ta'qiqlanadi.
Aytaylik bu dunyoda faqat balik bilan cho'chqa bor ( tushuntirish oson bolishi uchun). Cho'chqani yeyish taqiqlangan. Demak , baliqni yeyishga majbur bolishadi.( Lekin bu degani birov birovni urub baliq yediradi degani emas, hohlagan odam hohlaganini yeydi.) Lekin real hayotda tanlash imkoniyati katta. Halol ovkatlarni ichidan hohlaganini tanlab olishi mumkin Musulmon odam, hohlaganini, lekin faqat halol ovqatlarni ichidan. ( Musulmon odam, qolganlar bilganini qlishadi. ) Yani Halol ovqat eyish majburiy deyilayapti bu erda, Halol ovqatlarni hammasini yeb chiqish SHART degan gap aytilayotgani yok.
Tushundingmi Odamzod???
Hey Inson " Qadrlarni Tayyorlashning Milliy Dasturi" ni okiganmisan?? Shunda aytadi, 9-sinfni bitirgan o'quvchi Hohlasa Akademik litseyga kirishi MUMKIN, Hohlasa Kasb-Hunar Kollejiga. Lekin ikkitasidan biriga kirib okishi shart, ya'ni MAJBURIY. Endi tushundingmi, student@??? Okuvchu HOHLASA Akademik Litseyda okiydi, HOHLASA Kasb-Hunar Kollegida, Lekin 2 tasidan bittasida okishi MAJBURIY. Qonun boyicha BOSHQACHA YOL YOK. ( Albatta qonundan tashqari har balo bolishi mumkin, lekin gap bu erda QONUN haqida borayapti, uni buzilishi yo uni buzadiganlar haqida emas.)
Hey Inson endi tushungardirsan nima MUMKINu nima MAJBURIY ekanligiga. Agar bundayam tushunmagan bolsang borib bitta ikkitasidan ( ortogingmi yo domlangmi ) sora, shular okib tushuntirib berishadi, man boshka bundan ham oddiy kilib tushuntirib berolmayman.

Thank you for your attention.

Sincerely yours
nobody

P.S. "Obligatory" Doesn't mean that somebody would beat you if you don't eat halal.

[nobody]

Me (Jun 15, 2001 14:19):
Nobody,

I was following some of your posts about Islam. I don't think it is wise to reply to Jvanmard or Sun6500.. I mean there is no point.. the audience whom you intended these messages got received what is important. God bless you for that.

regards,

Assalomu Alaykum Dear Me.

Thank you for your wishes. May Allah (swt) bless you too. You're right, i'll try to follow to your advice Brother/Sister.

Sincerely yours
nobody

[nobody]

Sun6500. San ozi umuman mani javoblarimni okisanmi?????? Javob berilgan narsani takrorlayverasan. Nima 15 marta takrorlasa bir narsani mazasi chikib qoladimi? Kecha aytdim sanga "Halol" va "Harom" tushunchalari faqat Islomda bor , Himiya yoki Matematikada emas deb. Odamzod ham shunaka boladimi. Hit kivordinglarku ahir bir gapni chaynayverib.
Ok, i'll try to reply you tommorrow InshAllah, today i have no time left.
See u guys.

[SUN6500]

Ha albatta javoblaringni o'qiyman, va o'qiganman. O'zimni javobimni bir necha marta takrorlaganimning sababi sening o'sha jovoblarimni tushunmaganliging, yoki tushumaganlikka olganing tufayli qaytardim. Hammasidan yahm ajablanarlisi shundaki, halol va haromning aniq talqin qilinishi hozirgi zamonaviyatiga qanday darajada to'g'ri kelishidan iborat. Bu mening fikrim. Sen bemalol o'zingning fikringda qolaverishing mumkin. Bu sening ishing. Qizig'i shundaki, agar bir odamni kimsasiz orolga tashlab yoshligidan ostirishsa, u shaxs shu oroldan tashqari hayot, yohud olam yo'q deb oylayb ulg'ayishi turgan gap. Ushbu shaxs shu orol faqat va tanho hayot degan g'oya ustida falsafa quradi. Va shu g'oya ustida o'zining dunyoviy tushunishiga ega bo'ladi. Bu esa, shubhasiz katta aldanish.

[stud@]

nobody (Jun 16, 2001 12:46):
Hi there.
You know student@ I answered you DIRECTLY and CLEARLY what does it mean by " obligatory". Ufffffff, kanaka kilib tushintirsam ekana.
Look student@. I'll try one more time. PLZ, read carefully, if you don't understand English tell me i'll use Uzbek or Russian. The " Halal" things are which are permitted to eat whether it is fish or meat. Did you understand it? Ok, then. We eat different things everyday, not only one thing, m i right? Then, all of this things MUST be halal, if you want to be...... ( i explained everything in previous topic). So if you want to be true believer it is obligatory to eat Halal. It is obligatory to eat only permitted foods. In other words it is obligatory not to eat haram food. But it doesn't mean that you MUST eat all food which is Halal. Did you get it? If you don't like fish don't eat it. It is optional to eat fish or melon, its your business. But, Muslim should eat only halal foods. His food should not contain any haram stuff. Did you get it?
Ok, Ozbekcha urinib koraychi.
Koroche, Halol narsalar yeyishga ruhsat berilgan narsalar:balik, non, uzum va h.k. Demak musulmon odam halol ovkatni hohlagan turini eyishi mumkin, hohlasa balik, hohlasa molni goshtini. Tushundingmi? Ok, Lekin, musulmon odamni yeydigan ovkatini tarkidida harom narsa bolmasligi kerak. Yani, haromni yeyish ta'qiqlanadi.
Aytaylik bu dunyoda faqat balik bilan cho'chqa bor ( tushuntirish oson bolishi uchun). Cho'chqani yeyish taqiqlangan. Demak , baliqni yeyishga majbur bolishadi.( Lekin bu degani birov birovni urub baliq yediradi degani emas, hohlagan odam hohlaganini yeydi.) Lekin real hayotda tanlash imkoniyati katta. Halol ovkatlarni ichidan hohlaganini tanlab olishi mumkin Musulmon odam, hohlaganini, lekin faqat halol ovqatlarni ichidan. ( Musulmon odam, qolganlar bilganini qlishadi. ) Yani Halol ovqat eyish majburiy deyilayapti bu erda, Halol ovqatlarni hammasini yeb chiqish SHART degan gap aytilayotgani yok.
Tushundingmi Odamzod???
Hey Inson " Qadrlarni Tayyorlashning Milliy Dasturi" ni okiganmisan?? Shunda aytadi, 9-sinfni bitirgan o'quvchi Hohlasa Akademik litseyga kirishi MUMKIN, Hohlasa Kasb-Hunar Kollejiga. Lekin ikkitasidan biriga kirib okishi shart, ya'ni MAJBURIY. Endi tushundingmi, student@??? Okuvchu HOHLASA Akademik Litseyda okiydi, HOHLASA Kasb-Hunar Kollegida, Lekin 2 tasidan bittasida okishi MAJBURIY. Qonun boyicha BOSHQACHA YOL YOK. ( Albatta qonundan tashqari har balo bolishi mumkin, lekin gap bu erda QONUN haqida borayapti, uni buzilishi yo uni buzadiganlar haqida emas.)
Hey Inson endi tushungardirsan nima MUMKINu nima MAJBURIY ekanligiga. Agar bundayam tushunmagan bolsang borib bitta ikkitasidan ( ortogingmi yo domlangmi ) sora, shular okib tushuntirib berishadi, man boshka bundan ham oddiy kilib tushuntirib berolmayman.

Thank you for your attention.

Sincerely yours
nobody

P.S. "Obligatory" Doesn't mean that somebody would beat you if you don't eat halal.

'obligatory' and 'permitted' do not have the same meaning, if smth is 'forbidden', it doesn't mean the other is 'obligatory'!

have just a litlle logic -;)

[nobody]

Hahaha stud@. ..............................

Sun6500.
Hammasidan yahm ajablanarlisi shundaki, halol va haromning aniq talqin qilinishi hozirgi zamonaviyatiga qanday darajada to'g'ri kelishidan iborat..... Kanaka zamonaviyat???? Kanaka togri kelish? Oz-moz fikr qilasanmi? Nima Alloh Ta'oloning aytgani kechagi kunga togri keladiyu, bugungi kunga togri kelmaydimi? Hehe, sani gaping qiziq boldiku. Nima Alloh Ta'olo bilmaydimi bugun nima boladiyu ertaga nima bolishini ( Hudoni ozi kechirsin). Nima endi Allohni sozi bugungu kunga togri kelmay koptimi. Hehe, essissiz essissiz shuncha aytilgan gaplar.........

BTW, student@ you tried hard to pick old posts up and to put them up. Hehe, what kinda people we have. They blame you to be ignorant and etc, but themselves even don't try to understand others. Is it called double standards.... Anyway, Thanks to God Almighty, not all people are so philosophs and Logistics.

Ha yahshi, hammaga omad. Logici zor professorlaru , materikdagi rivojlangan zamonaviy odamlarniyam Hudo Iymonini mustahkam qilsin.

[nobody]

After all this "logical" conversations here we are again.

HALAAL AND HARAAM

1. It is not permissible to eat animals and birds that hunt their prey or those animals and birds that eat filthy things. For example, it is haraam to eat lions, wolves, jackals, cats, dogs, monkeys, hawks, falcons, vultures, etc. Those animals that do not fall under this category are halaal. For example, it is halaal to eat parrots, mynahs, doves, sparrows, quails, wild ducks, pigeons, antelopes, buck, ducks, rabbits, etc.

2. It is not permissible to eat badgers, lizards, tortoises, turtles, wasps, mules, donkeys, etc. It is not permissible to eat the meat of a female ass nor is it permissible to drink her milk. It is permissible to eat the meat of horses, but preferable to abstain from it. Among the sea animals, only fish are permissible. All other animals of the sea are haraam.

3. It is permissible to eat fish and locusts without slaughtering them. Apart from these two animals, it is not permissible to eat any animal that has not been slaughtered in the Islamic way. It is haraam to eat an animal that has died a natural death.

4. It is not be permissible to eat a fish if it dies naturally and begins to float on the surface of the water.

5. It is permissible to eat the tripe of halaal animals. It is not haraam to do so, nor makruh.


6. If a few small ants or worms die in anything, it will not be permissible to eat that thing without first removing those dead ants or worms. If one or two ants or worms go down the throat, one will get the sin of eating a dead animal. Some people eat wild figs together with the little worms that are found inside thinking that by eating these wild figs they will not be afflicted by evil eyes or evil gazes. This is haraam. They will get the sin of eating a dead animal.

7. It is not permissible to purchase and eat meat that is sold by a non-Muslim even if he claims that he had it slaughtered by a Muslim. However, if the Muslim who slaughtered it remains in the presence of the non-Muslim all the time until all the meat is sold, it will be permissible to consume such meat. Alternatively, the person who slaughtered the meat could call another Muslim to keep watch over it until all the meat is sold. At no time should any Muslim absent himself from that meat.

8. A fowl or chicken that eats a lot of filthy things should be encaged for three days and only after that should it be slaughtered and eaten. It is makruh to eat such a fowl without encaging it for three days.


Jazakallohu hairan

Sincerely yours
nobody

[SUN6500]

Now, if you're pretending to be a total retard and choose to bypass the main concept of my post, please, act as you wish, ok.

Ha oz-moz fikr qilaman, shuning tufayli zombiega o'xshab har aytilgan gapga kiravermayman, balki har aytilgan izohni tahlil qilishga harakat qilib, tug'ilgan savolga javob qidiraman.

"(Hudoni ozi kechirsin)" -- It is not for you to ask a forgiveness on my behalf, so simmer down.

"Nima Alloh Ta'oloning aytgani kechagi kunga togri keladiyu, bugungi kunga togri kelmaydimi? " Hmmmmm... If one permitted to eat mad cow diseas infested beef just because it is slaughtered according to Islamic rules, yes indeed I think "Alloh Ta'oloning aytgani kechagi kunga togri keladiyu, bugungi kunga togri kelmaydi."

"Thanks to God Almighty, not all people are so philosophs and Logistics."
And Thanks to humanity there are people who have brains that question anything and everything. People who break conventions and stoned traditions and rebell against stagnated mind and dogmas.

"Ha yahshi, hammaga omad. Logici zor professorlaru , materikdagi rivojlangan zamonaviy odamlarniyam Hudo Iymonini mustahkam qilsin"

Jumladan, miyasi toshday qotgan o'lik tiriklardan, burnidan bir qarich ortiq dunyoni ko'ra olish qobiliyatiga ega bo'lmagan nogohlardan Xudoning o'zi asrasin.

[bubu]

To Nobody: Good work man! Keep it up!

To SUN6500: Hey man, i want to ask you a very simple question: Do you believe in God? The reason I am asking you this question is, everytime someone posting a message about religion you always picking on that person and call him mindless fanatic, believing in dogma. This make me think that you are complete atheist trying not to be alone. Sorry for these expressions if I am wrong. Well, I have no right to judge you or make you do or not to do something. I am just trying to tell you what is obvious to me (which you may not be interested in):
Firstly:
Isn't that obvious that topis is for all that people who believe in God, more precisely for moslems (judging from topic)?
Isn't that obvious, that initial post of Nobody had completely INFORMATIVE objective? He had no intentions to make you believe in something or do not.
So why bother replying and making fun of him? Your comments regarding pc processors, in my opinion were totally unappropriate as well as April's and Javanmard's. For me, you sounded childish.
Secondly,
Not everything so fanatic and cruel about religion. Oh sorry, I meant religion itself doesn't mean to be fanatic and cruel. Tell me any belief that doesn't have fanatics. As far as i know all do. Everything has its fanatics. Most simple: even money do! People lie for money, people kill for money. Well pure religion as you probably know
forbids to kill people (without cause - another issue). What do you think is the aim of the religion? Isn't that obvious?
Thirdly,
in my opinion there two kinds of religions:
religion from God and "religion from people". Well it is clear with first one. The second one is related to religion "made" by people to serve their interests. Yeah, i am talking about those fanatics whose primary objective to gain power and wealth but not to make people believe in God. Well SUN6500, Mr. Nobody in your eyes is re lated to the second one, isn't he?
(to be continued)

[bubu]

Next,
not everything is explained by science and logic. If the religion was explained by simple human logic or at least science, what was the need of such religion then. I mean, everyone would believe, everyone would be good, so why bother creating religion. What would be good and what would be bad? Because, to be good there must be something bad. So SUN6500 your attitude: don't just tell me but prove does not work here. You must feel it by heart, not just mind. Follow me?
For some reasons, we can't obey all rules assigned by religion. I consider myself moslem but i do not pray five times a day as assigned, i do drink alcohol (i shouldn't), I do not eat meat prepared exactly by Islamic rules as mentioned in first message. Maybe I don't perform a hundredth share of that what is assigned, but at least I have faith in heart. I highly doubt that you have that faith, otherwise you would not post such messages. Ok, it is not my business, but maan, just imagine: you are 70 years old, whole life is behind, you have no interest in outer life cause outer life has no interest in you and you are thinking about the meaning of life and you are slowly dying. You are thinking: "Hey, this is it??? Nothing ahead??? Nothing out there???. But maan, you didn't have faith:) so it is gonna be tough to get one.

Finally, if you would reply, please answer to my first very simple question, ok? So i would know who am I writing all this.

[SUN6500]

Sure, no problem Bubu, I'll answer the questions posted by you. Do I believe in God? Yes, I do. Do I believe that everything can be explained by science ? Hmmm, science is not there yet. But for the reasons of my own, I do not believe in any pre-established, frameworked religion. In my opinion, religion is too personal for each and every person. You don't need to have churches or cathederals or mosques to communicate with God, though he is all-knowing and all powerfull that doesn't require any other medium but yourself to be heard. Am I being clear ?

>> everytime someone posting a message about religion >>you always picking on that person and call him >>mindless fanatic, believing in dogma

Everytime you say ? Hmmm... I don't think I have been posting everytime in regards to the issues of religion. So you have problems with me asking questions or me posting altogether ? Perhaps, it is just your perception that I am "attacking" the religion ?

>>Isn't that obvious that topis is for all that people who believe in God, more precisely for moslems (judging from topic)?

Well, there was no disclaimer so I voiced my question. Was it too bad to ask ? Or is this board censored by religious patrol ? If you do mind me posting a question, please post up a disclaimer saying that this thread is for people who do not want to be questioned. Believe me, I will not post any comments.

>>Nobody had completely INFORMATIVE objective?

Sure, if he is posting something INFORMATIVE of nature that he cannot come up with an answer if questions asked, please inform your friend that he would provide a little banner saying that he is not taking questions. That's fine with me, I will not question the guy.

>>So why bother replying and making fun of him?

Am I making fun of him ? Since when asking question became "making fun" of a person ?

>>This make me think that you are complete atheist >>trying not to be alone

This makes me think you haven't grasped the essense of a topic yet.

>>comments regarding pc processors, in my opinion >>were totally unappropriate...

It was intended to be a joke to cool off a debate. It was intended for people with a sense of humor. Next time, be assured I'll post a disclaimer not to offend some people.

>>Not everything so fanatic and cruel about religion. Oh >>sorry, I meant religion itself doesn't mean to be >>fanatic and cruel

Oh, did I say it is cruel ? Hmmmm... where did I say it ?
You're right when you say that any belief has fanatics. I would add, any belief taken to extreme is fanatism. Any belief that cannot be questioned, that is something paramount, is a fanatism as well.

>>So SUN6500 your attitude: don't just tell me but >>prove does not work here. You must feel it by heart, >>not just mind. Follow me?

Ok. I won't tell you that something cannot be proved by science is fiction. I don't believe saying it anywhere...

>>I highly doubt that you have that faith, otherwise >>you would not post such messages.

First of all, it is your perception that I don't have a faith. If you have problems with that, its your business. You expressed your doubt, that fine with me. If I am posting messages, it means I am expressing my opinion. You reserve the right to accept it or not accept it. If I have a faith or not, this is my private issue, and not yours. As well as if you have a faith or not, its none of my business.

>>I consider myself moslem but i do not pray five times >>a day as assigned, i do drink alcohol (i shouldn't), I do >>not eat meat prepared exactly by Islamic rules as >>mentioned in first message.

Well, let's see, shall we ?
I don't drink anything that contains alcohol, not even wine or beer. I don't smoke, and I never done and never will do dope. I don't steal and never stolen people property. Does this make me up to your standard, Bubu ?

>> Mr. Nobody in your eyes is re lated to the second >>one, isn't he?

Ask him, not me... You raised this question, you figure it out.

>>just imagine: you are 70 years old, whole life is ...
Oh, ok... I'll rememer your words when I'll be 70 :)
Yet again, it is a private issue, and I am not here to paramount my ideas.

Best of luck :)

[well]

I completely agree w/ Sun. if message is posted, and there is no disclamer, then every1 has right to ask question and to question. Don't like it? Do't post it.

[javanmard]

This point number 7 posted by Nobody is impossible:-

". It is not permissible to purchase and eat meat that is sold by a non-Muslim even if he claims that he had it slaughtered by a Muslim. However, if the Muslim who slaughtered it remains in the presence of the non-Muslim all the time until all the meat is sold, it will be permissible to consume such meat. Alternatively, the person who slaughtered the meat could call another Muslim to keep watch over it until all the meat is sold. At no time should any Muslim absent himself from that meat."

This is impossible. Meat comes from all over the world..and frozen meat is transported by refrigerated ships. The crews are not Muslim on these ships, especially if they come in from South America or Australia/New Zealand...

Also, even if you eat at a Mc Donalds outlet in Saudi Arabia...the people working there are usually non-Muslims..Indians or Philipinos...even though the meat has been slaughtered the Halal way...the people preparing it and storing it at the Mc Donalds outlets are usually not Muslim.....

Also, your point 2 states that eating anything other than fish from the sea is Haram...that would include Shrimp, crabs, Lobster, cuttle fish, etc etc...which is not true....everything from the sea is Halal to eat......except maybe meat eating fish...

To be honest the whole reason we do not have a clear picture on what is Haram and Halal to eat from the sea is that the Bedouin did not live near the sea so could not make any rules up on what they know nothing about......

[bek]

Nobody i Dani bir uchrashsalaring bo'lar ekan.Dunoy qarashlaring birga o'shaydi.Sizlarni yozan narsalaring korib odam qorqib ketadi.

[bek]

Nobody i Dani,
Bir uchrashsalaring bo'lar ekan.Edinomishlennik chiqib qolqilaring.

You will really enjoy it.

[Searching]

I always thought that what is 'halal' and what is 'haram' works this way:
if it is not prohibited-> then it is permited
this way we have much more halal stuff then haram.
and this is the best way to search for the answer on all the questions including this PC... joke
we should look up if it is prohibited, if it is not---than it is halal.

All are welcome to correct me...if I am wrong

[javanmard]

Nobody,

Answer my question pls. I would really like to know where you got the info. from because it seems wrong to me.........

BTW..I do know quite a bit about Islam...I don't critisize things I don't understand.......

[bek]

Nobody i Dani,
bir uchrashsalaring bo'lar ekan.Edinomishlennik chiqib qoldilaring.
You will really enjoy it!!!!!

[Shokirbek]

Besh yildan beri ko'pchilikning dunyoqarashi o'zgardi..

[Akhee-Abdullah]

Besh yildan beri ko'pchilikning dunyoqarashi o'zgardi..

Assalam alaikum wa rahmatullah,

Taqsir...nimani nazarda tutdingiz? Ya'ni halal wa haramning ma'nosini biladiganlar kupaydi demoqchimisiz? Yoki mana shu mawzu haqida gapirgan forum a'zolaridan barilarining fikrlari ozgargani haqida aytmoqchi edingizmi?

waasalam alaikum.

[Camellia]

Manda savol bor edi,

Bir marta Icelandlik dugonamnikiga mehmonga borganimda akula goshtidan tayyorlangan taom bilan mehmon qildi (akula eti ularda eng mazali taom-delikates hisoblanarkan). Mazasi haqiqatdan ajoyib edi.

Keyinchalik boshqa dugonam yirtqich hayvonlarning go'shti Islomda harom qilingani haqida aytdi. Akula goshtini iste'mol qilish mumkin emas dedi. Men bundan bexabar edim.

Lekin, yaqindagina halol gosht mahsulotlari dokoniga kirsam, u yerda juda ko'p turli baliq goshti orasida akula eti ham sotilayotgani guvohi boldim.

Sotuvchidan ''baliq mahsulotlariz halolmi?'', deb soraganimda, ''ha albatta, bizni dokonda faqat halol mahsulot sotiladi'', deb javob berdi.
Keyin dugonamni gapini aytdim, ''bilishimcha yirtqich hayvonlarni goshtini yeyish mumkin emas ekan, Islomda qa'ttiyan taqiqlangan ekan, bunga nima deysiz'' dedim.
Arab sotuvchi ''Islomda dengiz/okean mahsulotlari, barcha baliq va boshqa jonzotlar halol qilingan'' dedi.

Savol:

1. Yirtqich jonivorlarning goshti haqiqatdan ham harom hisoblanadimi?

2. Dengiz mahsulotlari Islomda halol qilinganmi?

[~Atirgul~]

Manda savol bor edi,

Savol:

1. Yirtqich jonivorlarning goshti haqiqatdan ham harom hisoblanadimi?

2. Dengiz mahsulotlari Islomda halol qilinganmi?

1. Yirtqich jonivorlaning g'o'shti harom hisoblanadi, bu haqda mana shu erdan ma'lumot olsangiz bo'ladi: http://www.islam.ru/science/predator_meet/

2. Hanafiya mazhabi bo'yicha dengiz mahsulotlaridan faqat baliqni esa bo'ladi deb eshitganman, boshqa mazhablarida dengizdagi hamma jonzotlar halol hisoblanadi. Alloh bilguvchiroqdir.
Dengiz jonzotlari haqidagi fatvoni mana bu erdan o'qisangiz bo'ladi: http://www.umma.ru/fetva/599/

[Mirzabek]

Birodar dengiz mahsulotlari baliktan tashqari joiz emas deb hesoblanadi.
Nitakim Yirtkich hayvonlar harom deyiladi. Agar vaziyat birorta siz bilmagan go`sht yeyishga olib kelsa buni ham chiqish yollari bor.

Essimda chiqmasa bir rivoyat mi yoki hadis mi. Shundoq deyiladi. Agar siz bilmagan narsangizga duch kelsangiz (halol -yoki harom bilmasangiz) eng yaxshisi uni estimol kilmang gunohtan uzokrok bo`lasiz.

Xamma narsani o`z chiqishi bor. Nima bo`lsa xam Vollohi Alam

omadla

[Aziz]

The following items have been categorically spelled out as being Haram:

1. Pig/Swine/Pork and its by-products.
2. Blood and blood by-products.
3. Carnivorous animals.
4. Reptiles and insects.
5. Halal animals which are not slaughtered according to the Islamic Law.
6. Animals killed in the name of anyone other than God.
7. The bodies of dead animals or dead before slaughtering.
8. Alcohol and intoxicants such as Wine, Ethyl Alcohol, and Spirits etc.



Once the prophet was invited for some food in Madinah. The food was a cooked lizard. He did not eat it, he was asked why?
He said: It is not Haram, but it is not from my people's food (back in Makkah). It is just that I don't like it.

From my humble knowledge, reptiles are not all Haram. People in Egypt eat turtles. The kind that is Haram is the reptile that eat other animals. The kind of lizard that Arabs eat is vegetarian (i.e: does not eat other animals).

[Abu Hurayra]

Ҳадис ва Ҳаёт китобидан

БИСМИЛЛАҲ АЙТИБ ВА ЯХШИЛАБ СЎЙИШ

Оиша розияллоҳу анҳодан ривоят қилинади.
«Улар: «Эй, Аллоҳнинг Расули, жоҳилиятга яқин бўлган қавмлар бизга гўштлар келтирурлар. Уларга Аллоҳнинг исми айтилганми ёки айтилмаганми билмаймиз, уларни ейяверайликми?» дедилар. Бас, у зот:
«Аллоҳнинг исмини айтиб ейяверинглар», дедилар».
Абу Довуд, Бухорий ва Насаий ривоят қилган.
Шарҳ: Ушбу ҳадисни имом Молик ҳам ривоят қилиб, охирида, «бу Исломнинг аввалида бўлган эди»ни зиёда қилган эканлар. Ана шундан ушбу ҳадиси шариф насх қилинган ва унга амал қилиш тўхтаган.
Сўйиш вақтида «Бисмиллаҳ»ни айтиш сўйишнинг икки шартидан биринчиси ҳисобланади. Бунга бир неча далиллар бор:
1. Аллоҳ таоло «Ҳаж» сурасида қуйидагиларни айтади: «Ва туяларни сиз учун Аллоҳнинг нишонларидан қилдик. Уларда сизга яхшилик бор. Уларга олд оёқларидан бири боғлиқ турган ҳолида Аллоҳнинг номини зикр қилинг. Ёнлари ерга текканида эса, бас, улардан енг ва қаноатли ва тиланган камбағалларни ҳам таомлантиринг. Шундай қилиб, Биз уларни сизга бўйинсундириб қўйдик. Шоядки шукр қилсангиз».
Аллоҳ субҳонаҳу ва таоло ушбу ояти каримада қурбонлик қилинадиган ҳайвонларнинг энг каттаси бўлмиш туя ҳақида сўз юритмоқда.

«Ва туяларни сиз учун Аллоҳнинг нишонларидан қилдик».
Яъни, туяларни Аллоҳнинг динидаги улкан ибодатда қурбон этиладиган ҳайвонлардан қилдик.
«Уларда сизга яхшилик бор».
Туяларда одамлар учун кўплаб яхшиликлар бор. Керак бўлганида, минадилар, юк ортадилар, маркабларга қўшадилар, сутини ичадилар, гўштини ейдилар, терисидан, жунидан фойдаланадилар, сотиб, моддий манфаат кўрадилар. Энг муҳими, уларни қурбонликка сўйиб, Аллоҳга қурбат ҳосил қиладилар.
«Уларга олд оёқларидан бири боғлиқ турган ҳолида Аллоҳнинг номини зикр қилинг».
Туя тик турган ҳолида, олд оёқларидан бири бўйнига боғлаб турилиб сўйилади. Бу ҳолни араб тилида бир сўз билан «саваффа» дейилади. Демак, туяни қурбонликка сўйиш учун олд оёқларидан бирини боғлаб қўйган чоғда Аллоҳнинг номини зикр қилиб сўйиш керак.
Яъни, «Бисмиллаҳи, Аллоҳу акбар. Аллоҳумма, минна илайка», деб туриб сўйиш керак.
2. Аллоҳ таоло «Анъом» сурасида бундоқ дейди: «Аллоҳнинг исми зикр қилинмаган нарсаларни еманглар. Албатта, бу иш фисқдир. Албатта, шайтонлар ўз дўстларига сизлар билан тортишишни васваса қилурлар. Агар уларга итоат қилсангиз, сизлар ҳам мушриклардан бўлурсизлар».
Уламоларимиз ушбу оятнинг тафсирида, агар мусулмон киши ҳайвонни сўяётиб, Аллоҳнинг исмини зикр қилишни унутиб қўйса, сўйган гўшти ҳалол, деганлар. Аммо билиб туриб, қасддан зикр қилмаса, ундай гўшт ҳаром бўлади.
«Аллоҳнинг исми зикр қилинмаган нарсаларни еманглар».
Шунингдек, аввал ўтган оятларнинг ҳукмига биноан, аҳли китобларнинг сўйиши ҳам ҳалолдир. Бошқаларини эса, ейиш мутлақо мумкин эмас.
«Албатта, бу иш фисқдир».
Яъни, Аллоҳнинг номи зикр қилинмай сўйилган ҳайвоннинг гўштини ейиш фисқ, яъни, дин амридан чиқишдир.
«Албатта, шайтонлар ўз дўстларига сизлар билан тортишишни васваса қилурлар».
Шайтоннинг дўстлари бўлмиш кофир ва мушриклар имконлари борича сизлар билан тортишадилар. Турли масалаларда, жумладан, Аллоҳнинг номи зикр этилмай сўйилган ҳайвонлар гўшти ҳақида ҳам тортишадилар. Сизлар уларнинг гапларига, тортишувларига ҳеч эътибор бермасликларинг керак.
«Агар уларга итоат қилсангиз, сизлар ҳам мушриклардан бўлурсизлар».
Аллоҳнинг гапини уқмай, ўзганинг гапига юрган одам мушрик бўлмай, ким мушрик бўлсин?! Аллоҳнинг амрини тутмай, бошқанинг амрини тутган киши мушрик бўлмай, ким мушрик бўлсин?! Ҳатто ҳайвонларни сўйишда Аллоҳдан бошқанинг амрини тутиш ҳам ширк ҳисобланади. Кофир бўлиш эса, умуман бошқа кулфат. Мусулмон билан кофирнинг орасидаги фарқ жуда ҳам улкан:
3. Аллоҳ таоло «Анъом» сурасида айтадики: «Агар Унинг оятларига иймон келтиргувчилардан бўлсангиз Аллоҳнинг исми зикр қилинган нарсадан енг!»
Яъни, ҳақиқий мўмин бўлсангиз, Аллоҳнинг номи билан сўйилган ҳайвонларнинг гўштидан озуқланинг. Киши ҳаётида озиқ-овқат муҳим ўрин тутганидан, хусусан, тановул қилинадиган таомнинг ҳалол бўлиши муҳимлигидан иймонни ўртага қўйиб, Аллоҳнинг номи зикр қилиниб сўйилган ҳайвоннинг гўштини ейишга амр қилинмоқда.
«Агар Унинг оятларига иймон келтиргувчилардан бўлсангиз Аллоҳнинг исми зикр қилинган нарсадан енг!»
Бу бошқасини еманг, деганидир. Воқеъликда баъзи одамлар эътиборсизлик ёки арзимас баҳоналар билан ҳалол ҳайвонларни сўйишда Аллоҳнинг номини зикр қилишни йўлга қўймасалар, бошқалари ундан ҳам арзимаган баҳоналарни рўкач қилиб, ўша гўштларни ейишни ўзига, фарзандларига раво кўрадилар. Аслида эса, уларнинг бандалик бурчлари ҳалол-пок, Аллоҳнинг номини зикр қилиб сўйилган ҳайвонларнинг гўштини емоқлари керак эди.
«Сизга нима бўлдики, Аллоҳнинг номи айтиб сўйилган нарсани емас экансизлар?! У сизларга ҳаром қилган нарсаларини батафсил баён қилиб берган-ку?! Магар музтар бўлганингизда, майли. Албатта, кўпчилик билмасдан, ҳойу ҳаваслари ила адаштирурлар. Албатта, Роббинг тажовузкорларни яхши билгувчидир».
Агар мўмин-мусулмон бўлсангиз, Аллоҳнинг ҳукмига таслим бўлиб, иймон келтирган бўлсангиз, Аллоҳ сизга Ўзининг номи айтиб сўйилган ҳайвонларнинг гўштидан емоқни буюрган экан.
«Сизга нима бўлдики, Аллоҳнинг номи айтиб сўйилган нарсани емас экансизлар?!»
Унда мусулмонлигингиз қолдими?
«У сизларга ҳаром қилган нарсаларини батафсил баён қилиб берган-ку?!»
Ўша батафсил баён қилинган ҳаром нарсалар ичида ҳамма нарса айтилган-ку. Жумладан:
«Магар музтар бўлганингизда, майли», ҳам дейилган-ку.
Яъни, ноилож ҳолга тушиб, емасангиз ҳалокатингиз муқаррар бўлиб қолганда, ҳаддан ошмай, ҳаром нарсани есангиз ҳам, майли, дейилган-ку. Ҳамма нарса аён бўлиб туриб, нимага яна ортиқча гап қиласиз?
«Албатта, кўпчилик билмасдан, ҳойу ҳаваслари ила адаштирурлар».
Жумладан, ҳалол-ҳаром масаласида. Аллоҳнинг номи зикр қилинмай сўйилган ҳайвонларнинг гўштини истеъмол қилиш масаласида ҳам хоҳ билмасдан, хоҳ билиб туриб, аммо ҳавою нафснинг гапига кириб, одамларни адаштирадилар. Одамларга нотўғри фатво берадилар.
«Албатта, Роббинг тажовузкорларни яхши билгувчидир».
У Ўзининг ҳукмига тажовуз қилиб, ҳаром нарсаларни, Аллоҳнинг номи айтилмай сўйилган ҳайвонлар гўштини еганларни жуда яхши билади ва уларга тегишли жазони беради. Шунингдек, илмсиз, ҳавою нафснинг кўйига кириб, бу масалада ва бошқа масалаларда одамларни адаштирганларни ҳам яхши билади ва уларга ҳам тегишли жазосини беради.
4. Аллоҳ таоло «Моида» сурасида ов ҳалол бўлиши учун ҳам «Бисмиллаҳ»ни айтиш шарт эканлигини баён қилувчи оятда қуйидагиларни айтади: «Сендан уларга нима ҳалол қилинганини сўрарлар. Сен: «Сизларга пок нарсалар ҳалол қилинди. Овчи итларга ўхшатиб, Аллоҳ сизга ўргатган нарсалардан уларга ҳам ўргатган овчи ҳайвонларингиз сизга тутиб берган нарсадан енглар. Уларга Аллоҳнинг исмини зикр қилинглар. Аллоҳга тақво қилинглар. Албатта, Аллоҳ ҳисоби тезкор зотдир», деб айт!»
Ояти кариманинг аввалида Аллоҳ таоло Ўзининг маҳбуб Пайғамбари Муҳаммад алайҳиссаломга хитоб қилиб, у кишидан мусулмонлар ўзларига нималар ҳалол қилинганини сўрашларини айтмоқда.
«Сендан уларга нима ҳалол қилинганини сўрарлар».
Баъзи нарсаларнинг, хусусан, истеъмоли ҳаром қилинган нарсаларнинг ҳукми тушгач, мусулмонлар тасаввурида улкан инқилоб содир бўлди. Улар энди нима ҳалол ва нима ҳаром эканини фақат Аллоҳгина ҳукм қилишини билиб олдилар. Ҳалол-ҳаромнинг ҳаётларидаги тутган ўрнини ҳам англаб етдилар. Шунинг учун ҳам Пайғамбар соллаллоҳу алайҳи васалламнинг ҳузурларига келиб, ўзларига нима ҳалол қилинганини сўрашга ўтдилар. Улар билмасдан ҳаромга қўл уриб қўйишдан қўрқар эдилар. Ҳаромдан ҳазар қилардилар. Мусулмон банданинг ҳақиқий сиймоси шундай бўлиши лозим. Ўзининг ҳар бир иши, жумладан, ейдиган таоми ҳам шариат ҳукмига мувофиқ бўлишига ҳаракат этиши керак. Кўнглига келганини қилиш, қўлига тушганини ейиш ҳайвонларнинг иши.
Мусулмонларнинг саволларига нима деб жавоб беришни Пайғамбар соллаллоҳу алайҳи васалламга Аллоҳ таолонинг Ўзи ўргатиб:
«Сизларга пок нарсалар ҳалол қилинди», деб айтишни буюрмоқда. Яъни, мусулмонлар пок нарсалардан маҳрум қилинганлари йўқ. Нимаики пок бўлса, уларга ҳалол. Демак, уларга нопок нарсаларгина ҳаром қилинган.
Шундан келиб чиқилса, Аллоҳ таоло ҳалол қилган нарсалар пок, фойдали дегани бўлади. Аксинча, Аллоҳ таоло ҳаром деган нарсалар ифлос ва зарарли деганидир.
Сўнгра умумий ҳалол қилинган пок нарсалардан баъзи изоҳга ҳожати борлари эслатиб ўтилади: «Овчи итларга ўхшатиб, Аллоҳ сизга ўргатган нарсалардан уларга ҳам ўргатган овчи ҳайвонларингиз сизга тутиб берган нарсалардан енглар».
Баъзи ҳайвонлар ва қушлар бошқа ҳайвон ва қушларни овлаши ҳаммага маълум. Аввал ўтган оятда, ўргатилмаган йиртқич ҳайвон ёки қуш овлаган ҳалол ҳайвоннинг, агар жони бор пайтида сўйиб олинмаса, гўштини еб бўлмаслиги баён қилинган эди. Бу ерда эса, гап йиртқич ҳайвон ва қушлар билан ов қилиш ҳақида кетмоқда. Одатда, овга кўпроқ ит ўргатилади. Оятда: «Овчи итларга ўхшатиб», деб айтилаётганининг боиси ҳам шундан. Демак, итни овга ўргатгандек қилиб бошқа ҳайвонлар ҳам овга ўргатилган бўлса, улар овлаган ҳайвонни мусулмон одам истеъмол қилса, бўлади.
Ҳайвонларни овга ўргатиш ҳақидаги жумлада,
«Аллоҳ сизга ўргатган нарсалардан уларга ҳам ўргатган ҳайвонларингиз», деган ифода келмоқда. Бундан, инсонга ҳамма нарсани, жумладан, ҳайвонни овга ўргатишни ҳам Аллоҳ таълим берганлиги келиб чиқади. Инсонга ақл ато қилиб, йиртқичларни унга итоат эттириб қўйган зот ҳам Аллоҳнинг Ўзи.
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asosiy manbaa bu yerda (http://islam.uz/main/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=298&Itemid=26)

PS: Balkim ba'zilarimiz bu haqda chuqurroq bilmasak kerak, baz'zimizga foydali bo'lar deb bu yerga ushbu maqolani qo'ydik ...
:salam:

[laluluya]

thanks for your information bro ,jazakallohu hoyron

[crescent]

Birodar dengiz mahsulotlari baliktan tashqari joiz emas deb hesoblanadi...

Demak, fish mumkin, lekin shellfish mumkin emasmi? Men anchagina prawns va scallops yegandim-ku...:(

[Vector]

Demak, fish mumkin, lekin shellfish mumkin emasmi? Men anchagina prawns va scallops yegandim-ku...:(

havotir omen e, prawn halol bolishi kere, nime harom bolarkan...

[Shokirbek]

Самарқандда мусулмонлар учун махсус ҳалол таомлар ошхонаси очилди (http://uzbek.ferghana.ru/article.php?id=784&PHPSESSID=ab340d1b925dc93cbdbce27a9c010998)

2007 йилнинг январь ойида Самарқандда “Halol food” қаҳвахонаси очилди, унинг таомномасига тақводор мусулмонлар ошпазлик санъати қоидаларига кўра тайёрланган таомлар киради.
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Olloh oshxonasiga baraka bersin, bunday joylar yanada ko'paysin.

[lyalyapo]

Самарқандда мусулмонлар учун махсус ҳалол таомлар ошхонаси очилди (http://uzbek.ferghana.ru/article.php?id=784&PHPSESSID=ab340d1b925dc93cbdbce27a9c010998)

2007 йилнинг январь ойида Самарқандда “Halol food” қаҳвахонаси очилди, унинг таомномасига тақводор мусулмонлар ошпазлик санъати қоидаларига кўра тайёрланган таомлар киради.
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Olloh oshxonasiga baraka bersin, bunday joylar yanada ko'paysin.


Toshkentda ancha bo'ldi "Halol food" degan oshhona ochilganiga, Chaqchimon masjidini oldida. Juda yahshi joy deyishadi, ayollarga erkaklarga alohida joy qilingan, ovqatlariyam yahshi, taqvodor birodarlar ochkan. Birodarlarimdan ko'p eshitaman u yerga borishganini, ko'pincha u yerda uchrashishadi, bolalr uchun ham o'ynaydigan joy ajratilib qo'yildi deb eshittim. Inshaallah Uzbga borganda borish kerak deb niyat qilib qo'ygan joylarimdan :).
Nomi bir hil ekan balkim bir hil odamlar ochkandir, wallahi A'lam

[Alesser]

ehh, shunaqa yahshi, pokiza Halol joylar kupayaversin... Alloh uzi kechirsin, lek shu ohirgi vaqtlarda odam qiynalib ketdi... Deyarlik juda kup vaqtim uyda bumaganim tufaylik, kuchada ovqatlanaman... Hozirgi yashayotgan erimda halol joylar oz muncha bor, lek afsuski kungildagidek emas... bitta halol taomxona boridi, har doim shu erdan ovqatlanardim, lek yaqinda bilib qoldim "halol" deb quygani bilan "halol" gushtdan foydalanishmas ekan... ba'zan halol gushtdan foydalangan vaqtlari eski gushtlarni ishlatishar ekan... bilib qolgandan keyin ahtarib yurib yana bir boshqa halol joy topdim... boshida ovqatlari yahshidi, lek ular ham aynidi, "gigiyena"ga umuman rioya qilishmaydi ekan... ohirgi safar ovqatlanib utirsam, taomidan chiqqan narsa "2cm temir buldi", yahshiyam yutub yubormaganim, ushandan keyin odam nima yeyishni ham bilmay qoldi... qachon zurga shunaqa halol joy topsam, afsuski kup hollarda shunaqa ahvol bulayapti, birgina "option" baliq, lek har kuni baliq yeyaveribam odam zerikdi... qachon qanaqa restoranga borsam ham buyuradigan taomim baliq bulib qolgan, vegetarian buvolay desam menga tugri kelmaydi... shunga "halol" joylar kupaysa ham shu "gigiyena"ga rioya qiladigani kupaysa juda ulug ish bulardi...