The Evil Hizb Ul Tahrir

[javanmard]

Take a look at this news item, and read between the lines;

http://www.times.kg/?D=article&aid=1024291&c=&d=

These instigators would like nothing more than bloody civil war.........

[Dani]

Madness comes and madness goes where evil lives and evil rulez....

[javanmard]

Whats that supposed to mean??? These guys are trying to plunge millions of people into the dark ages..........all technically, commercially educated people, Doctors, Engineers, Economists, Accoutants will be subservient to Sheikhs and Mullahs.........ie...a PHD will be working under a guy with indepth knowledge of how Djinn live, LOL!!!

[Overloaded]

I did not see any threats to Ph.D and accountants.
As far as know Hizb Ul Tahrir support peaceful Islam.
No need to blame them in any instigations of a civil war.

Everyone is innocent until proven guilty.
Everyone has a right for his/her beliefs

[Overloaded]

:P

[javanmard]

True Overloaded, but this group is evil......they don't want peace. They want domination. They are just using there so-called Peaceful movement as a means to an end........

They must be destroyed, especially in Central Asia. There mindless propoganda is just what it is....Propoganda......

[Iranyar]

Just want to say that they (Hizbu Tahrair, or similar moslem fundamentalist organizations) yesterday killed a young man in Tajikistan who was converted to Zoroastrianism!

[Dani]

Yeah you 're right Iranyar, they are ****in extrimistic:(

[Iranyar]

Dani they are so intolerant against the people who think differently, but themselves are crying and whining about why they are not tolerated by the secularist authoritie.!

[Dani]

Yeah you re right...

[referee]

you, guys, sound more extremist to me than anybody else, sorry. What strikes me is where some people find this anger to kill and punish? I believe that people in CA are truly pacific and won't go to war unless forced to! And i don't think that any foreign org-n have the potential to force or persuade CA people to fight, that may happen only if those people are determined themselves to do so - and that is where you should look for......

[vasya]

Iranyar (Jul 05, 2001 06:13):
Dani they are so intolerant against the people who think differently, but themselves are crying and whining about why they are not tolerated by the secularist authoritie.!


you are intolerant Iranyar. intolerant to changes that uzbek people are having. Hizbut Tahrir is probably most peaceful Islamic organisation as far as i am aware of (what would you say if we had Hezbullah, or Hamas). they actions do and must demonstrate intolerance, because they are opressed. you just look at the present situation of Uzbekistan and think, do you tolerate things happening there. if your answer is yes than i must say you are coward.
In my opinion these guys are doing good job. They are proving that uzbeks are not sheep, but people of honour and dignity. I have got feeling that they will loose this battle, but they are going to win the war against evil.

i am sorry if my accusations are harsh.

[does not matter]

Before making any judgement who is evil, who is doing right or wrong we should have accurate facts abouts events happening in Uzb. All these women are concerned with fates of their sons, relatives, husbands who are taken to prisons and accused of being against motherland without sufficient proof what so ever.. I am not saying that they are all innocent. However, making all muslims who have mere beards, or practice his faith on his own should not be persecuted as being illegal terrorists.. Imagine having your brother or farther being taken into inhumane prisons for no reason, but being muslim.

It is no secret that we are far far away from being democratic..And our "dear" underpaid and corrupted poilice, militia will bring heads, when asked for hats!!
So, in reality numerous innocent people are being blackmailed and oppressed.

[Iranyar]

Mr Vasya you said that their actions are legitimate since they are oppressed people. Can you explain to me , why if the governemnts oppress them, they give themselves the right to kill a young man, only because he believes in another religion than Islam, I mean the Convert Zoroastrian man. I don't see any logic in this. They have now no political positions and do this to minorities, what will they do if they get more power?

I believe in democracy for all people, but if there are some parties who themselves don't believe in the democratic principles, I don't see the logic of their demanding for more democracy.

[iranyar]

Something more: i think that everyone have the right to believe in the religion or ideology he wants. Everyone has the right of freedom of expression. I am not the westeners and go even one step further if someone fights you you can fight too, but if someone is innocent you should not do him harm to impress other people.

[javanmard]

Vasya,

You obviously are not aware of the Hizb Ul Tahrir ideology. They want to set up an Islamic Caliphate in Central Asia. A Caliphate!!! I am not sure you are aware of what kind of nightmare this would entail........Basically your newly independant country ruled like 1500 years ago. You don't have any problem with this because you are still naive...........................

Do not make the same mistake that Iran did. ie. choosing any government over the one you have. I know the current Uzbek government has many problems, but don't choose another government just because it is different. Different does not always mean better.

This group (as Iranyar has shown) is already intolerant. They are wolves disguised as sheep. They are an evil group, sinister and against modern life and change. I wish for democracy and free speech in Central Asia not Islamic despotisim and the corruption which will surely follow.

Groups like HT are purely political groups designed to be subversive and to fool people into giving them there support. Imagine these poor young men who are in Jails in Uzbekistan because they were lied to by some Paki/Arab religious group.

In the end what I am trying to say is...Just because the current Uzbek government is not democratic or free...that does not make the HT alternative much better..............

[Dani]

vasya (Jul 06, 2001 12:15):
Hizbut Tahrir is probably most peaceful Islamic organisation .

???????????

[Overloaded]

Javanmard (Jul 07, 2001 00:16):
Vasya,

You obviously are not aware of the Hizb Ul Tahrir ideology. They want to set up an Islamic Caliphate in Central Asia. A Caliphate!!! I am not sure you are aware of what kind of nightmare this would entail........Basically your newly independant country ruled like 1500 years ago. You don't have any problem with this because you are still naive...........................

In the end what I am trying to say is...Just because the current Uzbek government is not democratic or free...that does not make the HT alternative much better..............


As long as they peacefully express their wishes it is not my concern. If the regime they looking for is an oppressive one, nobody will follow them.
If they succeed in their PEACEFULL agitation and will convince most of the population to found Caliphate, so it will be their choice.
If most of the people like Caliphate and I do not then I am free to leave this country or to PEACEFULLY fight against it.

This type of relation is called democracy and tolerance. It seems that many people fail to understand real meaning of it.

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<<<Just want to say that they (Hizbu Tahrair, or similar moslem fundamentalist organizations) yesterday killed a young man in Tajikistan who was converted to Zoroastrianism!

If one calling himself Hizbultahrir killed someone, it doesn't characterize movement yet.
The same happens to people calling themselves Christians, democrats, westerners, Muslims, non-Muslims... Inductive method is not right at all for judgment like this. If for example some Irani killed someone, should assume that Irani people are killers.
Before blaming anyone, first try to determine how reasonable and tolerant you are yourself.

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