politically passive uzbek youth

[Arhimed]

Fikrimcha, bizda yoshlar asosiy qismi ancha sisosiy befarq, bo'layotgan jarayonlarga qiziqishi yoq va websitelarda muhomaka qilishdan u yo'giga o'tmaydi. Buni bo'lib o'tayotgan saylovlarda qatnashish darajasidan bilsa bo'ladi deyman. Toshkentda esimda bor, bolla saylovga bormas edi, butun oilalari uchun otahon yo buvijonlar bitta qib tashlab ketishardi.

Sizning fikringiz qanday?

[kipchak]

а у меня обратный опыт, как раз видел как молодежь была политически активна в реале.

И что дальше?

[Akademik]

Avvalo bu kabi mazmunli sahifacha ochganingiz uchun rahmat.

Siz haqsiz ko'p yoshlar siyosiy holatlarga befarq. Birinchidan bizning yoshlar shahs erkinlgi va siyosiy erkinliK ruhida tarbiyalanmangan. Oiladan biz Ota-Onaga tobelikda katta bo'lganmiz. Ota-Onaning ishiga aralshish, ularni tanqit qilish bizning madaniyatimizda juda qoralanadi. Shu boyis, bu ruhta katta bo'lgan shahs o'z shasiy ekrinligini va siyosiy ekinligini anglab etishda anchagina oqsaydi va bu bo'shlik shahsni "o'zi holatlar shunday bo'lishi kerak ekan" degan hulosalar chiqarishiga olib keadi.
Siyosatta yoshlarimizni aktiv bo'lishlari uchun davlat ularni tinch qo'yish kerak so'z erkinligi, shahs erkinligi jamoachilik yoki mahala ko'ychilik erkiniklaridan ustin koyilishiga imkon yaratish kerak. Shundagina yoshlar cho'chimasdan siyosat sahnasida tik turaolishi mumkin.

Bu juda qiziq va uzoq muhokamali mavzu men o'ylaymani bu vaziyattni tez-tez muhokama qilish bilangina masalarga o'ydilik kiritish mumkin.

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[Samimiy]

Asl masala yoshlarning siyosiy befarqligi yoki passivligi emas, bu shundoq ham kunday ayon. Asl masala shu siyosiy befarqligining sababi. Yani suraladigan savollar taxminan quyidagicha:

-Ozb. yoshlari nima uchun siyosat sohasida juda passiv?

yoki undan ham qizigi:

-Bugungi kunda Ozb. yoshlari uchun siyosiy jihatdan faol bulishning foydalari nima-yu, zararlari nima?

[EZOP]

siyosiy passiv emas shahsan man shunday deb o'ylayman.shunday bollarni bilaman bo'sa yoshi17-18 yoshlar atrofida . savol faolik deganda nimani nazarda tutdiyiz? ko'chaga chiqib olib baqir chaqir qilishinimi? siyosiy partyalardagi faolytinimi ? siyosiy ong asta sekin rivojlanib boradida.

[Amiri Turkiston]

Asl masala yoshlarning siyosiy befarqligi yoki passivligi emas, bu shundoq ham kunday ayon. Asl masala shu siyosiy befarqligining sababi. Yani suraladigan savollar taxminan quyidagicha:

-Ozb. yoshlari nima uchun siyosat sohasida juda passiv?

yoki undan ham qizigi:

-Bugungi kunda Ozb. yoshlari uchun siyosiy jihatdan faol bulishning foydalari nima-yu, zararlari nima?

zarari koproq manimcha

[Prince]

och qoringa - siyosiy aktiv bolish yarashmasa kere va xech kimga yoqmasa xam kerak deb oyliman! Siyosat bu katta qorinli amakilani , qorni toq Tog`alani oyini!
Bechora Student yoki Ishsiz Mardikorning emas!

[EZOP]

och qoringa - siyosiy aktiv bolish yarashmasa kere va xech kimga yoqmasa xam kerak deb oyliman! Siyosat bu katta qorinli amakilani , qorni toq Tog`alani oyini!
Bechora Student yoki Ishsiz Mardikorning emas!:lool: :lool: :lool:

[Professor]

Siyosat bu kuch, maqom va moldir. Buning bittasiga ham ega bulmagan odam hot Amir Temur hiyobonida 24 soat karnaydan odamlarga qarab uzini ideyalari haqida gapirsin, faqat usha haykaldan boshqa uni hech kim eshitmaydi. Siyosiy partilayalar yo davlat tomonidan, yo moliyaviy boy lobbilar tomonidan tashkil etiladi. Halqning ham "erkatoy"lari buladi, lekin bizda erkatoy bulish juda ham qiyin, chunki qabila urugchilikka asoslangan tuzumimiz.
Yoshlar, huquqshunoslik yoki diplomatiyani bitirib, siyosatda active bula olmaydi. Demak yoshlarni manaviy va siyosiy qashoqlashuvi davlatga foydalidir. Masalan, kupgina usha rivojlangan davlatlarda ham, davlat yoshlar uchun hamma entertainment'ni ochib quyibdi, istagancha va hohlaganicha, yetarki siyosatga aralashmasin. Shunaqa davlatni uzi ham yuq, yoshlari siyosiy active bulsin.

[Abu-Hafiza]

och qoringa - siyosiy aktiv bolish yarashmasa kere va xech kimga yoqmasa xam kerak deb oyliman! Siyosat bu katta qorinli amakilani , qorni toq Tog`alani oyini!
Bechora Student yoki Ishsiz Mardikorning emas!
Prince, bu yerda qisman tug'ri qisman notug'risiz
Qorin ochligida odamlar siyosiy aktivlashishi mumkin. Masalan 80 yillar ohiri 90 yillar boshida. Studentlarni gapirdingiz, studentlar 90 yillari boshida juda siyosiy aktiv edi. U haqida alohida thread ham ochilgan. Undan tashqari agar qo'yib berilganida edi, och halqning siyosiy aktivligi kuchayishi hech ham paradox bo'lmaydi. Masalan evropada odamlar ham siyosiy aktiv emaslar, saylovlarga bor yugi 30% odam qatnashadi. Ular aynan to'q bo'lganliklari uchun passivdirlar, chunki kim kelsa ham mani hayotim uzgarmaydi, degan qarashdalar.

Bizning yoshlarda bir nechata sabab bor
Men bazan o'tirib har hil zamondagi yoshlarni taqqoslayman. Ota-onam studentlik yillari. Keyin SSSR ohirgi yillardagi yoshlarning siyosiy faoliyati. Keyin mustaqillikning ilk yillardagi yoshlarning faoliyati. O'zimni unida uqiganimdagi paytdagi faoliyat va hozirgi kundagi yoshlarimiz.

Juda qiziq narsa kuzatsa buladi. Yoshlarning faollashishiga atrof-sharoit, kundagi siyosiy ahvol bilan bir qatorda ta'lim tizimi ham juda muhim rol o'ynaydi. Masalan ota-onalarimiz davrida komsomol bular edi. Yoshlar juda qiziqib maishiy va siyosiy faoliyatni kursatishar edi (komunist partiyasi ramkasidan utmasa ham) U yillarda odamlar kommunizmga ishonishar edi va juda siyosiy faoldilar. Lekin o'sha paytlar yoshlarni adabiyot, fan, sanat kabi narsalarga ham qiziqishar edi.

Keyin SSSRning ohirgi yillari va mustaqillikning birinchi yilari keladi. U yillarda ham yoshlarning umumiy olganda dunyo qarashi, ongi va saviyasi yuksak edi. Usha paytlarda ular siyosiy aktivligi ham yuksak edi. Usha nasl yoshlardan adabiyotchilar, shoirlar, kuchlik jurnalistlar chiqqan. MAsalan UzLand kabilar. U paytda siyosiy muhit ham o'zgarishlar davri edi.

Biz unida uqiydigan paytlar esa yoshlar va talabalar keskin ikki guruhga ajralgan edilar:
O'qiydiganlar va dunyo bilan qiziqadiganlar va
Umuman hech narsa bilan ishi bulmaganlar va ayshi ishratga berilganlar. Bu yillarda siyosiy aktivlik juda susaygan edi. O'qiganlarda ozgina aktivlik bular edi ammo soni kamaygani uchun qo'rquv kuchayib borgan. Ko'pchilik shu yildagi yoshla chetga chiqib ketishgan. Uning sababi-ular o'z dunyo qarachi, bilimi va tajribasini chetda ishlatishi osonroq bulgani uchun

Hozirgi paytlada esa yoshlarimiz na kitob uqiydi, na sher yozadi. Diskotekadan boshqasini bilmaydi. (umumlashtirayapman bilaman, lekin ko'pchilik shunaqa bulib qolgan afsus). Ular siyosat, deganida katta qorinlik amakilani tushunishadi. Sal ubu narsa gapirganlarni kallasi ketganini kuraverib kuraverib umman hafsalasi qolmagan. Undan ko'ra och qornim, tinch qulog'im deb yurishadi. Endi kuramiza, kelasi nasllar nima bular ekan

[vajohat]

och qoringa - siyosiy aktiv bolish yarashmasa kere va xech kimga yoqmasa xam kerak deb oyliman! Siyosat bu katta qorinli amakilani , qorni toq Tog`alani oyini!
Bechora Student yoki Ishsiz Mardikorning emas!

O'zbekistonda odamlar ochlikdan emas, balki ochko'zlikdan boshi baloda... siyosiy jihattan yoshlarning sustligining sababi esa boshqa juda ko'p faktorlarning majmuidir.

[UzLand]

och qoringa - siyosiy aktiv bolish yarashmasa kere va xech kimga yoqmasa xam kerak deb oyliman! Siyosat bu katta qorinli amakilani , qorni toq Tog`alani oyini! Bechora Student yoki Ishsiz Mardikorning emas!

Кисман, тугри...буни юкоридагилар хам тушунади, шунинг учун хам халк оч тутилмокда...сиесатдан нарирок юриши учун...бундан ташкари иктисодий имкониятлар мамлакат ичкарисида тор булса, одамлар нима килади? Четга чикади ва узок вакт уша ерда ишлайди. Асосан эркаклар. Бу эса уз-узидан 2 катта муаммони хал килади: хукуматга иктисодий ердамчи булади "перевод"лар хисобига, иккинчидан, тус-туполонни келтириб чикариши мумкин булган эркаклар четда юради. Лекин бунинг бошка томони хам бор. Четга чиккан эркакнинг сиесий савияси ошиши мумкин. Унда мамлакатдаги ахволга четдан назар ташлаш ва бошкача бахо бериш имконияти пайдо булади. Бирок бу узгариш бир хил кечмайди, чунки хамма турли мамлакатга чикмокда, демак барчанинг фаоллашиш учун имконияти, амалиети ва тажрибаси турлича булади. Узр, мавзудан бир оз четга чикиб кетдим.

[Prince]

Ozbeda bitta maqol bor tog`a:
OCH QORNIM TINCH QULOGIM!! Nahiy kere bor bunaqa muhabbatni? Tfu yani Siyosatni ili siyosatchi bolishni!? :)
P.S uzini ishini bil, soqqeni qilib , oileni tebratib , ibodatini qilib yuror! nima qilasan siyosiy aktiv bolib!? torimi Toga? nima didiz?:)

[Vector]

Ozbeda bitta maqol bor tog`a:
OCH QORNIM TINCH QULOGIM!! Nahiy kere bor bunaqa muhabbatni? Tfu yani Siyosatni ili siyosatchi bolishni!? :)
P.S uzini ishini bil, soqqeni qilib , oileni tebratib , ibodatini qilib yuror! nima qilasan siyosiy aktiv bolib!? torimi Toga? nima didiz?:)

:lol: gapiyam ezib qoydila lekin boru...

asosan faqat chetdagi yoshla 'faolroq' bosa kere, yani qiziqishi bor (qorni toqro bogani uchun :lol: )...ozbekistonda endi sababi malum nimagaligini, nima foyda nima zararligini davlat 'tushutirib' bergan.

[NifTy-Nix]

Ozbeda bitta maqol bor tog`a:
OCH QORNIM TINCH QULOGIM!! Nahiy kere bor bunaqa muhabbatni? Tfu yani Siyosatni ili siyosatchi bolishni!? :)
P.S uzini ishini bil, soqqeni qilib , oileni tebratib , ibodatini qilib yuror! nima qilasan siyosiy aktiv bolib!? torimi Toga? nima didiz?:)
O'ziyam shu hayotta, manga molimni bemalol dalada boqib yurishni qo'yib berishsa, u yog'iga nechi pulli ishim bor, to'g'rimi? :lol: :lol: . Mani fikri ojizimcha, o'qigan odamlagina sal pal aktivlik ko'rsatishlari mumkin, ulaniyam hammasi emas, ko'pchiligiga uje "na mesto" deb ko'rsatib qo'yishgan. :lol:

[Gareeb]

Siyosatga aralashsang kallang ketadi degan gap butun xalqning qoniga singib ketgan.Stalin davridan buyon xalqimiz yurak oldirib qo'ygandi mustaqillikdan keyin hukumatning qilgan ishi o'lganning ustiga tepgan bo'ldi.

[UzbekGirlie]

I think Uzbek youth abroad is politically active, while Uzbek youth in Uzb is not... And therefore i think you should rephrase your question and make it a two part one....

[melo]

I think Uzbek youth abroad is politically active, while Uzbek youth in Uzb is not... And therefore i think you should rephrase your question and make it a two part one....

Can you really be politically active from abroad?

[NifTy-Nix]

Being politically active means to get involved in the political life of the country. But I don't think that youth abroad is more politically active, I would say in its majority its politically passive (of course if you don;t consider writing in this forum as being politically active).

[UzbekGirlie]

Being politically active means to get involved in the political life of the country. But I don't think that youth abroad is more politically active, I would say in its majority its politically passive (of course if you don;t consider writing in this forum as being politically active).

I live abroad and I am involved in Uzbek politics...

[melo]

I live abroad and I am involved in Uzbek politics...

I thought you were a US citizen? I am confused now.

[UzbekGirlie]

I thought you were a US citizen? I am confused now.

I am... But my father is not and I am actively involved through his party and organization....:D

[NifTy-Nix]

I am... But my father is not and I am actively involved through his party and organization....:D
As I said "in its majority its politically passive", if you are politically active that means, you are in the minority of the youth ;)

What political party are you involved with? Just curiosity.

[UzLand]

I think Uzbek youth abroad is politically active, while Uzbek youth in Uzb is not... And therefore i think you should rephrase your question and make it a two part one....

I would put it the other way around. Uzbek youth in Uzbekistan are very active, not necessarily politically, but when Kamolot does something, they are very active. In what way they are active is a whole different question. I wouldn't say the youth overseas is more active...I've seen it so many times...not unless you got a political asylum. This automatically obliges you to become politically active - there is just no option...

[melo]

This is another questionthat seems to apply to every country. I don't think youth (or adults for that matter) are involved in politics. It is more common for everyone to leave it up to the professional politicians now.

[PATRIOTKA]

I agree with you that youth abroad is not active either, not at all!
but youth who've been abroad, to the countries where democracy is more developed, they become active. its my experience. after i took classes about DEMOCRACY, in the country where democracy is developed, BUT ITS STILL NOT PERFECT! so anyway i realized that i am very interested in politics, and eager to change "things" and our youth in uzbekistan can be very active they just need maybe some kind of motion.

[UzbekGirlie]

I would put it the other way around. Uzbek youth in Uzbekistan are very active, not necessarily politically, but when Kamolot does something, they are very active. In what way they are active is a whole different question. I wouldn't say the youth overseas is more active...I've seen it so many times...not unless you got a political asylum. This automatically obliges you to become politically active - there is just no option...


You are right. But it was my opinion and that is why i suggested a two part question.

[UzbekGirlie]

This is another questionthat seems to apply to every country. I don't think youth (or adults for that matter) are involved in politics. It is more common for everyone to leave it up to the professional politicians now.

I agree with you and I think may be i assumed youth abroad seems to be more involved may be because all the uzbeks i know have studied or have some sort of an interest in politics and international relations. So I appologize if i generalized...

[melo]

I agree with you and I think may be i assumed youth abroad seems to be more involved may be because all the uzbeks i know have studied or have some sort of an interest in politics and international relations. So I appologize if i generalized...


Its understandable if you are in DC. I think its the only reason people go there. If you are not interested in politics or interenational relations (the term has a very negative meaning to me now), then DC is not the place for you. :D I think it makes sense that people you know there would be very involved in politics.