Vashingtonda aholining 36 foizi savodsiz - O'zbekistonda ahvol qanday ekan?

[Samimiy]

AQSh poytaxti Vashington aholisining uchdan biridan ortiq qismi savodsiz hisob (yani "functionally illiterate") ekan. Toshkentda va O'zbekistonning boshqa joylarida bu kursatkich qanday deb uylaysizlar? Statistik malumotlar keltirilsa yanayam yaxshi bulardi.

Study finds one-third in D.C. illiterate

WASHINGTON - About one-third of the people living in the national's capital are functionally illiterate, compared with about one-fifth nationally, according to a report on the District of Columbia.


Adults are considered functionally illiterate if they have trouble doing such things as comprehending bus schedules, reading maps and filling out job applications.
The study by the State Education Agency, a quasi-governmental office created by the U.S. Department of Education (http://search.news.yahoo.com/search/news/?p=Department+of+Education) to distribute federal funds for literacy services, was ordered by Mayor Anthony A. Williams in 2003 as part of his four-year, $4 million adult literacy initiative.

qolgani:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070319/ap_on_re_us/adult_literacy;_ylt=AiZ07BQajpHmUqOjx0zPeeEDW7oF

[Пушкарева]

99% of population in Uzb is literate. thanks God and Soviet legacy.


AQSh poytaxti Vashington aholisining uchdan biridan ortiq qismi savodsiz hisob (yani "functionally illiterate") ekan. Toshkentda va O'zbekistonning boshqa joylarida bu kursatkich qanday deb uylaysizlar? Statistik malumotlar keltirilsa yanayam yaxshi bulardi.

Study finds one-third in D.C. illiterate

WASHINGTON - About one-third of the people living in the national's capital are functionally illiterate, compared with about one-fifth nationally, according to a report on the District of Columbia.


Adults are considered functionally illiterate if they have trouble doing such things as comprehending bus schedules, reading maps and filling out job applications.
The study by the State Education Agency, a quasi-governmental office created by the U.S. Department of Education (http://search.news.yahoo.com/search/news/?p=Department+of+Education) to distribute federal funds for literacy services, was ordered by Mayor Anthony A. Williams in 2003 as part of his four-year, $4 million adult literacy initiative.

qolgani:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070319/ap_on_re_us/adult_literacy;_ylt=AiZ07BQajpHmUqOjx0zPeeEDW7oF

[Samimiy]

99% of population in Uzb is literate. thanks God and Soviet legacy.

That was 20 years ago. Even though according to official statistics the literacy rate is still 99%:

https://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/factbook/geos/uz.html,

I seriously doubt the literacy rate in Uzb. is at 99% right now. Especially with the new latin alphabet.

Besides, we are talking about "functional literacy" here, not the simple ability to read and write.


Any other opinions?

[Пушкарева]

you then had to clarify what you were talking about. The HD index of the literacy rate - supposes the ability to read and write. Did you mean educational attainment under the "functional literacy"?


That was 20 years ago. Even though according to official statistics the literacy rate is still 99%:

https://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/factbook/geos/uz.html,

I seriously doubt the literacy rate in Uzb. is at 99% right now. Especially with the new latin alphabet.

Besides, we are talking about "functional literacy" here, not the simple ability to read and write.


Any other opinions?

[MindHunter]

you then had to clarify what you were talking about. The HD index of the literacy rate - supposes the ability to read and write. Did you mean educational attainment under the "functional literacy"?
and above....

Adults are considered functionally illiterate if they have trouble doing such things as comprehending bus schedules, reading maps and filling out job applications.
and our definition of literacy is: definition: age 15 and over can read and write!

[Пушкарева]

Then, based on your definition of literacy, the literacy rate is 100% in Uzbekistan. You will hardly find any person above 15 who can't read or write. The category of people were not yet affected by the introduction of school fees and the new alphabet.

and above....

and our definition of literacy is: definition: age 15 and over can read and write!

[MindHunter]

Then, based on your definition of literacy, the literacy rate is 100% in Uzbekistan. You will hardly find any person above 15 who can't read or write. The category of people were not yet affected by the introduction of school fees and the new alphabet.

Uhmm... my bad!
that's not my definition and i'm more than too far from defining anything..!)
i just wanted to clarify some points.!
imho, the literacy is not just being able to read and write. it's not even reading maps and filling applications. never liked generalising and always hated statistics..))

Definition was taken from HERE (https://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/factbook/geos/uz.html)

btw, the link provided by Samimiy in one of the above posts. cia.gov and bla bla bla..!)

[melo]

Then, based on your definition of literacy, the literacy rate is 100% in Uzbekistan. You will hardly find any person above 15 who can't read or write. The category of people were not yet affected by the introduction of school fees and the new alphabet.

You really think so? :shock: I have serious doubts about anthing like a 95% literacy rate anywhere. There are plenty of kids who are not even enrolled in schools, especially girls. Many people believe that girls have more important work to do at home. There is also a reason that child labor is so common in Uzbekistan. These kids aren't going to school either. What about people with special needs? Do you think they are reciveing proper instruction? Combine this with an overall declining education system and you are seriously being ignorant if you think that 100% of the population is literate.

Also, when was the last time Uzbekistan would have done a comprehensive unbiased study on the literacy rate?

[Пушкарева]

Even though the issue of child labor and their literacy are correlated, the issue is not siginificant for the case of Uzb, or other post-soviet country. The popular statetement about prioritizing boys (secondary) education vs girls' is not the alarming one in the republic either.

But what I did omitted though (and have to admit that) are the special needs children. If we take them into account, the absolute rate does go down, but still would be higher than 90% (probably abt 95-96%).

If you go back to CA in the near future (and particularly to Uzb, which is the central topic here) and find an able bodied school age child that cant read or write - let me know and I will have to withdraw my argument. But right now, I am pretty confident in what I am saying.





You really think so? :shock: I have serious doubts about anthing like a 95% literacy rate anywhere. There are plenty of kids who are not even enrolled in schools, especially girls. Many people believe that girls have more important work to do at home. There is also a reason that child labor is so common in Uzbekistan. These kids aren't going to school either. What about people with special needs? Do you think they are reciveing proper instruction? Combine this with an overall declining education system and you are seriously being ignorant if you think that 100% of the population is literate.

[Arhimed]

Bizda lotinchada oiqsh va yozishni ko'pchilik bilmaydi. Aholini savodsiz qilib ushlab turish uchun qilingan shekilli

[melo]

come down to the south and midwest, if literacy rate is low in D.C. area. Here the scenario is even more awful.:D

No- have you been to DC? It is one of the poorest places in the US. The poor population lives worse there than almost anywhere else in the country (or third world countries for that matter). That would apply for any city along the east coast. This is where education has the biggest problems.

[UzbekGirlie]

Just to clarify that this study considered adults functionally illiterate if they have difficulty completing tasks such as reading bus schedules, maps, and filling out job applications. Now, according to the Director of the Education Agency the number was this low due to the growing number of Hispanic and Ethiopian immigrants, who are not yet proficient in English. I actually see that effecting DC as it is a very diverse area.

As far as Uzbekistan literacy rate. I know it says 99.6%. But it is impossible. When I visited the country half of the people did not know the new alphabet. Yes, population that lives in the city is educated, however when you go into the villages there are hundreds the kids and adults that have not seen a day in school. Furthermore, what was the standard used in Uzbekistan for the test and was the study done all over the country or simply in cities. I could not find any information anywhere. There is a chart though that shows that our literacy rate went up since 1990. So I don’t know I am skeptical about these numbers.

[Пушкарева]

my parents dont know the new alphabet either, but you cant call them illiterate. therefore, the new alphabet is not a good proxy at this point.

it might be true however, that lately the literacy rates go down. BUT still it is very high according to the global standards and as compared to other countries with the same level of GDP p/c.

jaguar, i agree with the urgency of dealing with gender issues in my country that can impact the enrollment rates for girls. however, i would counter-argue your claim "why should Uzb differ from other third world countries in terms of education" by saying that it does outperform the others as well as any other post-soviet country does. why so? google the relevant literature and you'll know that.

Just to clarify that this study considered adults functionally illiterate if they have difficulty completing tasks such as reading bus schedules, maps, and filling out job applications. Now, according to the Director of the Education Agency the number was this low due to the growing number of Hispanic and Ethiopian immigrants, who are not yet proficient in English. I actually see that effecting DC as it is a very diverse area.

As far as Uzbekistan literacy rate. I know it says 99.6%. But it is impossible. When I visited the country half of the people did not know the new alphabet. Yes, population that lives in the city is educated, however when you go into the villages there are hundreds the kids and adults that have not seen a day in school. Furthermore, what was the standard used in Uzbekistan for the test and was the study done all over the country or simply in cities. I could not find any information anywhere. There is a chart though that shows that our literacy rate went up since 1990. So I don’t know I am skeptical about these numbers.

[EZOP]

Amerika qo'shma shtatlari Markaziy Razvetka Boshqarmasi ma'lumotlariga ko'ra, Niger - hozirgi kundagi eng savodsiz mamlakatdir. Mamlakatda katta yoshdagi aholining 84 %i o'qish va yozsihni bilmaydi.
G'arbiy Afrikadagi Burkina-Faso davlati ro'yxatda ikkinchi o'rinni band etgan (77 % aholi savodsiz).

Ko'p yillik urushlar tufayli Afg'onistonda ta'lim tizimi izdan chiqqan. Ma'lumotlarga qaraganda mamlakatning 64 foiz aholisi savodsizdir.




№ Mamlakat Katta yoshli aholi orasida savodsizlik, %
1 Niger 84.30%
2 Burkina-Faso 77.00%
3 Afg'oniston 63.70%
4 Syerra-Leone 63.70%
5 Gambiya 63.50%
6 Gvineya-Bisau 63.20%
7 Senegal 62.70%
8 Benin 62.50%
9 Efiopiya 61.30%
10 Mavritaniya 60.10%

[Пушкарева]

listen jaguar, you keep saying you dont have any claims to Uzb, but in reality you certainly do. is it b/c they refused you a visa??? i agree it is not perfect there, but you sound too annoyed with whatever relates to Uzd and i can't say i enjoy that.

According to who? wouldn't it be easier just to tell me? My guess is because they make up their own statistics and no international organizations work with them.

[MirzoBobur]

Bu to'gri bo'lishi mumkin. Lekin bir narsani esdan chiqarmaylik, har kim o'z qarishi bilan o'lchaydi.

Menda O'zbekistonni masteri bo'lsa ham men o'zimni meni major im bo'yicha Amerikaliklar bilan o'zimni taqqoslay olmayman. Demak O'zbekitonni savodilaridan biri USA da savodsizlar qatorida.

Hammaga omad