Anyone from Virgina Tech?

[himalay]

What is going on there?

[himalay]

Well, University of Virginia, not "Virgina"

[UzLand]

It is Virginia Tech...

[UzLand]

At least 20 killed in Virginia Tech shooting-official

WASHINGTON, April 16 (Reuters) - At least 20 people, including the suspected gunman, were killed in a shooting rampage at Virginia Tech university on Monday, police and university officials said.

It was one of the worst shootings on a university campus in the United States since Charles Whitman went to top of the tower in the middle of the University of Texas campus in Austin, Texas, on Aug. 1, 1966, and opened fire on people 27 stories below. He killed 15 people, including his mother and wife the night before, and wounded 31 others.

Virginia Tech, with 26,000 students, is located in the southwest corner of the state, about 240 miles (390 km) from Washington.

[-Resident-]

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070416/ap_on_re_us/virginia_tech_shooting

[UzLand]

уже 25 убитыми

http://abcnews.go.com/US/story?id=3045574

[Inspiredmind]

mlin,,,nima bolyabdi o'zi asian man armed deyabdiku...:D , koroche 32 odam killed by asian armed man,, forumchilar bu sizlarga offtopmas...:D ,

[Пушкарева]

yoqammi tishladim... kakoi ujas..

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/18134671/?GT1=9246

[melo]

It also states there was no evidence of terrorism. What exactly is terrorism if this isn't? :shock: :?

[Пушкарева]

the person was not a muslim probably. that's why :evil:

It also states there was no evidence of terrorism. What exactly is terrorism if this isn't? :shock: :?

[forex]

Looks like some sicko went out for a killing spree.I've read something similar not long ago,5 people were shot to death in one of the malls in Ohio or Iowa,one of them,I can't remember exactly.
Saddest thing is that innocent people are being killed,you go out on a regular day,school,work or shopping and you get a bullet in your head.
It's better to stay away from public places crowded with people.

[Vector]

US is rotting from inside...crazy bastards :twisted:

[Vector]

I think you can find crazy people everywhere. :rolleyes:

but US has more of them :lol:

[forex]

but US has more of them :lol:

The number of crazy people is proportional to the number of population.I can only imagine how many freaks reside in China and India:lol:

[stanford]

There were couple bomb threats in that campus before, i wonder why that particular campus attracted so much violence? Deadliest mass murder in US history :(

[stanford]

It also states there was no evidence of terrorism. What exactly is terrorism if this isn't? :shock: :?

All kind of rumors will be flying around , the best is to wait few days before more comprehensive details come out.

[binafsha7]

I didn't have enough posts to put the link itself

The first shooting occurred around 7:15 AM EDT at West Ambler Johnston Hall, a co-ed dormitory that houses 895 students, where two people were killed (a woman and a man) and up to four others wounded. About two hours later, shooting was reported in a classroom at Norris Hall, an engineering and science building.[2][9] An eyewitness told the student newspaper, the Collegiate Times, that the killer shot about 19 people attending a German class in Norris Hall.[10] During the first news conference, the campus police and university director reported that there were "at least" 20 people shot dead in the second shooting by the gunman and it was there that he allegedly shot himself.

The motives of the gunman remain unclear. Some news sources are reporting that this shooting was not a random act of violence, but rather that the locations were targeted. The gunman was reportedly looking for his girlfriend.[11] Video footage captured with a cellphone provides an inside glimpse into the events. Gunshots can be heard as the footage was broadcast on many news outlets.[12]

Two students were injured after they jumped out of a third-story window of West Ambler Johnston Hall attempting to escape the gunfire.[2] These two students escaped, as did several others who were interviewed by news sources who arrived on the scene shortly after the shooting had ended. One of these, Nikolas Macko spoke to the BBC of his experience at being at the center of the shootings. He told of how he had been attending a math class and heard gunshots in the corridor. Three people in the classroom barricaded themselves into the room using a table. At one point, Macko said, the gunman even attempted to break down the door of the classroom and then shot twice into the room, one shot hit a podium and the other went out the window, the shooter then reloaded and shot into the door again but the bullet did not penetrate into the room. He stated there were many, many shots fired.[9]

High winds prevented emergency medical services providers from using helicopters for the evacuations.[13] Victims injured in the event were treated at Montgomery Regional Hospital in Blacksburg, and Lewis-Gale Medical Center in Salem.[5]


Perpetrator
The identity of the perpetrator was not immediately known. He committed suicide inside Norris Hall by a self-inflicted shot to the head and may have used either two 9 mm caliber handguns or a 9 mm caliber handgun and a .22 caliber handgun.[5][14][3] The authorities said that the gunman carried no identification,[5] but that investigators were trying to trace purchase records for the guns found near the body.[5]

A student speaking to TIMES NOW said that the first gunshots were heard when classes were in progress. "We heard about 30 gunshots in the morning. The gunman appeared to be Asian and was looking for his girlfriend," the student said.[15]

The FBI and the ATF believe the gunman used two handguns in the shootings before taking his own life. One official added that the gunman was "heavily armed and wearing a vest."[16]


Responses

School response
Virginia Tech has cancelled classes for Monday and Tuesday,[1] and has asked off-campus visitors not to come onto the campus. The school is offering counseling assistance for students and faculty and has scheduled an assembly for Tuesday. Additionally, the Red Cross has dispatched several dozen crisis counselors to Blacksburg to help Virginia Tech students cope with the tragedy that their school has endured.[1]


Law enforcement response
In addition to the Virginia Tech campus police, the Federal Bureau of Investigation has joined the investigation. Bureau spokesman Richard Kolko stated there was no immediate evidence to suggest a terrorist incident, but that the agency is exploring all avenues.[18] The Virginia State Police are also investigating.[18] The Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (ATF) immediately responded to the incident with 10 agents on-scene identifying the weapons and performing forensics.[19]


Government response
The U.S. House of Representatives and the Senate observed a moment of silence. President George W. Bush stated that he was "horrified" by the shooting.[20] The White House is reportedly monitoring the events.[2]

Virginia's U.S. Senators John Warner and Jim Webb have both offered their condolences.[21] Virginia Governor Tim Kaine is returning early from a trip to Tokyo, Japan.[18]

Senate Judiciary Committee chairman Patrick Leahy postponed the scheduled April 17 testimony of Attorney General Alberto Gonzales concerning the firings of 8 United States prosecutors.[22]


Timeline
All times are in EDT (North American Eastern Time Zone or UTC-4).


Monday, April 16
7:15 a.m.: A 9-1-1 emergency call to Virginia Tech Police reports a shooting at West Ambler Johnston Hall, leaving one person dead and another wounded.[23][24]
9:00 a.m. - 9:30 a.m.: Shooter opens fire in classroom in Norris Hall, an engineering building.[23]
9:26 a.m.: Emails go out to campus staff and faculty saying there has been a shooting on campus.[4]
9:50 a.m.: An email announcing: "A gunman is loose on campus. Stay in buildings until further notice. Stay away from all windows" is sent to all Virginia Tech email addresses.
10:52 a.m.: Follow up email goes to Virginia Tech campus regarding shooting
12:00 p.m.: At a press conference, authorities said there may have been more than 21 people killed and 28 injured.[25]
2:30 p.m.: AP reports at least 31 killed, including gunman.
3:40 p.m.: Virginia Tech confirms 22 dead.
4:01 p.m.: President Bush speaks from the White House regarding the shooting.[26]
4:40 p.m.: The school holds a press conference with updates on the day's events.[1]
4:42 p.m.: Virginia Tech confirms 33 dead including the shooter.[1]
7:30 p.m.: Third press conference

Upcoming events

Tuesday, April 17
University will be closed. Classes are canceled.[1]
2:00 p.m.: Convocation/Ceremony at Cassell Coliseum.[27]
7:30 p.m.: Candelight vigil on the Drillfield at Virginia Tech; organized by Hokies United, an ad hoc group which has previously brought student organizations together during tragedies at Virginia Tech.[28]

Comparison to other mass murders in the US
With current death toll reports at 33,[29] this is the deadliest civilian shooting in United States history, surpassing the Luby's massacre of 1991, in which 24 people were killed.[29]

The incident is also the deadliest school shooting in the United States, surpassing the 15 deaths[29] of the Columbine High School massacre of 1999 and the 16 deaths[29] at the University of Texas massacre of 1966. It is the second deadliest school-related killing in American history, behind the 1927 Bath School disaster, a bombing, which claimed 38 lives.[29]


References
^ a b c d e f Virginia Tech official website. Virginia Tech official website. Retrieved on 2007 April 16.
^ a b c d e "Gunman killed after deadly Virginia Tech rampage", CNN. Retrieved on 2007-04-16.
^ a b "At least 33 dead in rampage at Virginia college", MSNBC. Retrieved on 2007-04-16.
^ a b Pierre, Robert, Horwitz, Sari and Spinner, Jackie. "33 Dead in Virginia Tech Shootings, At Least 24 Injured", Washington Post, April 16, 2007. Retrieved on 2007-04-16.
^ a b c d e f Hauser, Christine, O'Connor, Anahad. "Virginia Tech Shooting Kills at Least 33", New York Times. Retrieved on 2007-04-16.
^ "Toll climbs to 31 in Virginia campus shooting", CBC News. Retrieved on 2007-04-16.
^ Brendan Bush. "At least 32 dead in Virginia shooting rampage", Reuters. Retrieved on 2007-04-16.
^ "Federal Officials: Virginia Tech Shooting: 33 Deaths In Blacksburg "Worst In History"", Post Chronicle, 2007-04-16. Retrieved on 2007-04-16.
^ a b "Deadly shooting at US university US university shooting kills 33", BBC. Retrieved on 2007-04-16.
^ "Students react to the tragedy", 'Collegiate Times'. Retrieved on 2007-04-16.
^ "22 Slain In Campus Shooting Massacre", CBS. Retrieved on 2007-04-16.
^ "Virginia Tech Shooting Video Online: 33 Killed, 29 Injured", Post Chronicle, 2007-04-16. Retrieved on 2007-04-16.
^ Holley, Joe. "Students Recount Shootings.", Washington Post. Retrieved on 2007-04-16.
^ a b "ABC News Massacre at Virginia Tech: 33 Confirmed Dead", ABC. Retrieved on 2007-04-16.
^ "32 killed in Virginia Univ shootout". Retrieved on 2007-04-16.
^ "31 Dead In Virginia Tech Shooting", CBS 11. Retrieved on 2007-04-16.
^ "Virginia Tech Shooting Press Conference: 33 Dead, Anger, Questions", Post Chronicle, 2007-04-16. Retrieved on 2007-04-16. (in English) “Worst Campus Masacre In U.S. History, Anger, Questions,”
^ a b c d Fox News. Virginia Tech Campus Reels From Shooting That Leaves at Least 32 Dead.
^ My Fox Washington DC. Bush Calls Virginia Tech Shooting 'Terrible Tragedy'.
^ Fox News. Bush Calls Virginia Tech Shooting 'Terrible Tragedy'.
^ KWTX News. Visibly Shaken Virginia Senator Says Shootings Have Touched The Nation.
^ Gonzales hearing postponed
^ a b Front page, Collegemedia.com, April 16, 2007
^ Larry Hincker. "Shooting at Virginia Tech", Virginia Tech bulletin, April 16, 2007.
^ Virginia Tech Authorities Confirm 20 Fatalities, WDBJ, April 16, 2007
^ "Bush 'horrified, concerned' by Virginia Tech massacre", Chicago Tribune, April 16, 2007
^ "Tragedy at Virginia Tech" Retrieved on 2006-04-16
^ "At least 33 killed in shootings at Virginia Tech." Roanoke Times, April 16, 2006. Retrieved on 2006-04-16
^ a b c d e This total includes the murderer, except for Columbine High School massacre, where it includes two murderers.

[inDecision]

but US has more of them :lol:
Well, there are a lot crazy people in other countries, but they don't have access to a firearm. Allowing people to have them is, IMO, the biggest threat to society. A crazy mexican guy also threated to bomb my school and bring a gun:D . He was suspended, later arrested by police and deported back to his Mexico. It happened that he had used to take pills, which he stopped after arriving to the US.
In the US people claim that it is their constituional right, but that's bullsh*t. US Constitution is 220 years old and it is obvious that it needs to be not only amended but also nullified in some parts. The era of cowboys, gangs is already over.

[kipchak]

как только уберут оружие из масс в США - начнется кровавая гражданская мясорубка аля Бронштейновской.. вся цель это маргинализация таких негативных инциндентов, еще не известно подстроены они или нет.

а пока есть оружие в массах - риск есть что по морде схлопочешь когда будешь устнавливать классы, и борьбу между ними... Учите историю.

[anatoliydaev]

Этот мир окончательно е№нулся.

[zanjir]

Looks like some sicko went out for a killing spree.I've read something similar not long ago,5 people were shot to death in one of the malls in Ohio or Iowa,one of them,I can't remember exactly.
Saddest thing is that innocent people are being killed,you go out on a regular day,school,work or shopping and you get a bullet in your head.
It's better to stay away from public places crowded with people.

if you compare it to Irak, it's nothing, so, say Thank You Allah that it didnt happen to you, and Pray for those who are dieng in Irak, and dont even feel sorry who killing them... God gave and took it ...may God Bless them who were killed and getting killed and humiliated...

[StU]

this is a mad world, a mad country...

[Demir Kağan]

33 death.

A psycho.

[anatoliydaev]

Наверное, все начиналось примерно так... (Не смешно)
http://data.dump.iof.ru/data/2007_04_03_forum_exler_ru_uploads_77_post_11749417 58.jpg

[Professor]

A list of some fatal shootings that took place at U.S. colleges or universities in recent years. Monday's campus shooting at Virginia Tech was the deadliest in U.S. history.April 16, 2007: A gunman kills 32 people in a dorm and a classroom at Virginia Tech in Blacksburg, Va., then kills himself.
_Sept. 2, 2006: Douglas W. Pennington, 49, kills himself and his two sons, Logan P. Pennington, 26, and Benjamin M. Pennington, 24, during a visit to the campus of Shepherd University in Shepherdstown, W.Va.
_Oct. 28, 2002: Failing University of Arizona Nursing College student and Gulf War veteran Robert Flores, 40, walks into an instructor's office and fatally shoots her. A few minutes later, armed with five guns, he enters one of his nursing classrooms and kills two more of his instructors before fatally shooting himself.
_Jan. 16, 2002: Graduate student Peter Odighizuwa, 42, recently dismissed from Virginia's Appalachian School of Law, returns to campus and kills the dean, a professor and a student before being tackled by students. The attack also wounds three female students.
_Aug. 28, 2000: James Easton Kelly, 36, a University of Arkansas graduate student recently dropped from a doctoral program after a decade of study and John Locke, 67, the English professor overseeing his coursework, are shot to death in an apparent murder-suicide.
_Aug. 15, 1996: Frederick Martin Davidson, 36, a graduate engineering student at San Diego State, is defending his thesis before a faculty committee when he pulls out a handgun and kills three professors.
_Nov. 1, 1991: Gang Lu, 28, a graduate student in physics from China, reportedly upset because he was passed over for an academic honor, opens fire in two buildings on the University of Iowa campus. Five University of Iowa employees killed, including four members of the physics department, two other people are wounded. The student fatally shoots himself.
_May 4, 1970: Four students were killed and nine wounded by National Guard troops called in to quell anti-war protests on the campus of Kent State University in Ohio.
_Aug. 1, 1966: Charles Whitman points a rifle from the observation deck of the University of Texas at Austin's Tower and begins shooting in a homicidal rampage that goes on for 96 minutes. Sixteen people are killed, 31 wounded.

[Professor]

We do know that he was an Asian male — this is the second incident — an Asian man who was a resident in one of our dormitories," university president Charles Steger said in an interview with CNN, confirming for the first time that the killer was a student. http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070417/ap_on_re_us/virginia_tech_shooting (http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070417/ap_on_re_us/virginia_tech_shooting)

P.S. As always the scope of predication will be more wider then the first one. Virgina-student-Asian-specific country-and target word, I guess you know what's this. :(

[The Reaper]

I turned on CNN today and the reporting has left a bitter taste of disgust in my mouth. Not that I'm surprised...
It's irrelevant, irresponsible and downright pathetic.

1) WTF a guy who was not even inside/near/close to the area where a shooting took place would be coping with?? "Oh its hard for me to cope with this, and I'm not able to think about academics... I don't know how will it go from now on..."
Bullsh*t! Those are the people who make me sick to my stomach! They woke up in the morning, put their nice suits and ties on, and went on national TV declaring how sad and broken they are! Disingenuous f*ckers.
What's with the "counseling??" Seriously, soon you'll probably have a 7-11 worker from couple of blocks away requiring counseling. They are wasting resources which could be channeled into a more appropriate direction, most importantly, helping wounded victims, their relatives and close ones.

2) Media. As usual in its head-in-the-ass position. Stupid questions about feelings of people in neighborhood around the campus, and interviews from people who are not in any shape or form contributing, all talking about how messed up things are and talking about motivation. Feelings...feelings... I say f*ck your feelings!

3) "Analysts." Some guy looking at a screen, sitting his ass at a studio is somehow criticizing police procedures of officers who were on-site and tried to do the best they could to save those people! All by looking at a video shot taken in one angle.

To those whom I listed: You are not those poor parents, children, brothers, sisters and grandfathers who will be burying their close ones!! STFU!! By your pathetic actions, you are devaluing this tragedy and lowering it to a level of parade of feelings, speculations, and blame-game! :evil:

Rest in peace to all the victims...

TR

[UzLand]

Самое прикольное то, что убийца завалил двоих в своей общаге и только через два часа пошел в соседнюю валить дальше...где была полиция в это время? Каким оружием он пользовался, чтобы завалить 33 человека (включая себя) и еще ранить человек 15? Не удивлюсь, если полиция по ошибке замочила половину жертв...

[infolife]

the person was not a muslim probably. that's why :evil:
hahaha, that's exactly what I thought:evil:

Would he be a muslim or at least had a south-asian or arab looking appearance(not being a muslim), this case would definately be linked with Al-Qaeda and Usoma himself.

But as you see, killing 25 and wounding some others and terrorising mlns of students on campus isnt a TERRORISM unless the person who is doing this BS isnt a muslim:evil:

It must be hard for the families of victims....

Inna Lillahi Inna Ilayhi Rojiun....

[The Reaper]

Самое прикольное то, что убийца завалил двоих в своей общаге и только через два часа пошел в соседнюю валить дальше...где была полиция в это время? Каким оружием он пользовался, чтобы завалить 33 человека (включая себя) и еще ранить человек 15? Не удивлюсь, если полиция по ошибке замочила половину жертв...

Heads will definitely roll for this. Let's hope it will be the deserving heads and not some scapegoats.

TR

[UzLand]

Police identified the gunman who killed 32 people on the Virginia Tech campus before turning the gun on himself as student Cho Seung-Hui, university police Chief Wendell Flinchum said Tuesday.

[Akhee-Abdullah]

A sigh of relief : ( the guy aint a muslim...

Muslims be careful, do not overjoy yourself...we have lots of work to do to get those extremists out of business...first we gotta fix ourselves...and then work on fixing extremists, and challenge them ideologically...physical confrontation...should be the last resort...sorry for off top!

[krokobazuka]

A sigh of relief : ( the guy aint a muslim...

Muslims be careful, do not overjoy yourself...we have lots of work to do to get those extremists out of business...first we gotta fix ourselves...and then work on fixing extremists, and challenge them ideologically...physical confrontation...should be the last resort...sorry for off top!

I was wondering what would the uproar be had the shooters name was something like Mahmoud Al-Barzani or something...

You don't hear anyone talking about terrorism do you? Yet when someone with Middle Eastern name committs a crime, you'll see terrorism among the first suspicions and motives

[Пушкарева]

I liked a certain paragraph very much. Well said.


I turned on CNN today and the reporting has left a bitter taste of disgust in my mouth. Not that I'm surprised...
It's irrelevant, irresponsible and downright pathetic.

1) WTF a guy who was not even inside/near/close to the area where a shooting took place would be coping with?? "Oh its hard for me to cope with this, and I'm not able to think about academics... I don't know how will it go from now on..."
Bullsh*t! Those are the people who make me sick to my stomach! They woke up in the morning, put their nice suits and ties on, and went on national TV declaring how sad and broken they are! Disingenuous f*ckers.
What's with the "counseling??" Seriously, soon you'll probably have a 7-11 worker from couple of blocks away requiring counseling. They are wasting resources which could be channeled into a more appropriate direction, most importantly, helping wounded victims, their relatives and close ones.

2) Media. As usual in its head-in-the-ass position. Stupid questions about feelings of people in neighborhood around the campus, and interviews from people who are not in any shape or form contributing, all talking about how messed up things are and talking about motivation. Feelings...feelings... I say f*ck your feelings!

3) "Analysts." Some guy looking at a screen, sitting his ass at a studio is somehow criticizing police procedures of officers who were on-site and tried to do the best they could to save those people! All by looking at a video shot taken in one angle.

To those whom I listed: You are not those poor parents, children, brothers, sisters and grandfathers who will be burying their close ones!! STFU!! By your pathetic actions, you are devaluing this tragedy and lowering it to a level of parade of feelings, speculations, and blame-game! :evil:

Rest in peace to all the victims...

TR

[binafsha7]

South Korean terrorist...may be he has North Korean roots and was sent by Mr. Kim:)

i've heard from radio that that person was a chinese international student.

[StU]

i've heard from radio that that person was a chinese international student.

no South-Korean, doing his exchange program on english language.

[~Atirgul~]

я непонимаю зачем они так свободно оружия продают, это ведь не впервый раз так ненормальные убивают, както по новостям говорили что в школе тоже такое было, так что пусть запретят свободно продавать оружия.

[melo]

я непонимаю зачем они так свободно оружия продают, это ведь не впервый раз так ненормальные убивают, както по новостям говорили что в школе тоже такое было, так что пусть запретят свободно продавать оружия.

That will never happen. Americans think the bill of rights gives them the right to bear arms. It actually doesn't say that, but there is a pwerful rich lobby full of crazy people that will make sure it never changes.

[Пушкарева]

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/18152839/site/newsweek/?GT1=9246

[binafsha7]

no South-Korean, doing his exchange program on english language.

yeah, i also found that out :) , but i'm surprised hearing on the radio this morning that he was chinese~~

[UzLand]

That will never happen. Americans think the bill of rights gives them the right to bear arms. It actually doesn't say that, but there is a pwerful rich lobby full of crazy people that will make sure it never changes.

man, we are talking about billions-dollar industry...

[Пушкарева]

feel so bad for the people ...


http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/18143312/?GT1=9246

[Lady_G]

The man who shot dead 32 people on an American university campus reportedly left a note saying: "You made me do this."

It also complained about "rich kids", "debauchery" and "deceitful charlatans".


http://news.sky.com/skynews/article/0,,30000-1260934,00.html

[Camellia]

я непонимаю зачем они так свободно оружия продают, это ведь не впервый раз так ненормальные убивают, както по новостям говорили что в школе тоже такое было, так что пусть запретят свободно продавать оружия.

it's all about rotten politicians, failed social programs, "big" business from which "someone" benefits... dirty politics :evil:

[Пушкарева]

:crying:


http://video.msn.com/v/us/v.htm?g=AD75665B-75B7-4F0E-AF02-88584A484B2F&t=c3557&f=06/64&p=hotvideo_m_vatech&fg

[melo]

This may sound cold, but why does the media make such a huge deal about victims in a case like this. People die everyday from all sorts of things. After September 11th I felt the same way. Why do families of victims of a trajedy like this receive money while the family of a child who dies of cancer recieve nothing. It makes no sense to me. :( I don't understand why some people's loss is more important than others.

[Пушкарева]

bc the world is not balanced and numbers make the deal.


This may sound cold, but why does the media make such a huge deal about victims in a case like this. People die everyday from all sorts of things. After September 11th I felt the same way. Why do families of victims of a trajedy like this receive money while the family of a child who dies of cancer recieve nothing. It makes no sense to me. :( I don't understand why some people's loss is more important than others.

[melo]

bc the world is not balanced and numbers make the deal.

The numbers of people that die from cancer, car accidents, heart problems, famine, curable diseases, common sicknesses are all so much superior to the amount that die by gunfire or human violence. They do not happen in one crazy event though. Instead it happens everyday all over the world. :( Its just more proof that crazy people have control and more influence over our world.

[The Reaper]

The numbers of people that die from cancer, car accidents, heart problems, famine, curable diseases, common sicknesses are all so much superior to the amount that die by gunfire or human violence. They do not happen in one crazy event though. Instead it happens everyday all over the world. :( Its just more proof that crazy people have control and more influence over our world.

Bottom line is, money.
Those guys in the media are not crazy. Crazy people at least have an excuse - they are crazy.
These people are not crazy. They are cold hearted, calculating cynics. It's the people they serve, and they reflect whatever people in general are interested in, and their watchers' current moral priorities.
Iraqi civilians vs. dead dumbass in Aruba? Blond in Aruba is the winner.
Americans are more interested in a white American pie eating, southern Alabama chick missing than some sand-niggers over at Iraq... That's unless you have your close one serving there.

Capitalism and extreme egocentric individualism go hand in hand.

TR

[Magnolia]

I heard it on BBC that police couldn't gather much info about this killer/gunman because he was a loner :rolleyes:
lame excuse :evil:

[stanford]

This may sound cold, but why does the media make such a huge deal about victims in a case like this. People die everyday from all sorts of things. After September 11th I felt the same way. Why do families of victims of a trajedy like this receive money while the family of a child who dies of cancer recieve nothing. It makes no sense to me. :( I don't understand why some people's loss is more important than others.

People die but mass killings of innocent people the one like in university campus are not everyday thing.

I do not want to read the news anymore, my mind just cannot handle it right now.

[melo]

People die but mass killings of innocent people the one like in university campus are not everyday thing.

I do not want to read the news anymore, my mind just cannot handle it right now.


Way more than 33 innocent people die everyday from all sorts of terrible problems. And they will not be on TV for a month and rememebered for the several years. For example approximately 1,500 people die everyday from cancer in the US. Now people will talk and discuss campus security for years and years to come, but cancer struggles to get the same attention and funding. People are interesting.

[inDecision]

Way more than 33 innocent people die everyday from all sorts of terrible problems. And they will not be on TV for a month and rememebered for the several years. For example 1,500 people die everyday from cancer in the US.
Well cancer is not death that happens all of a sudden and all other types of death you are mentioning somehow are more natural - Accident means the victims of it did something wrong, cancer - change of biological life
But the case here is different - this is all because of one stupid, crazy guy and the right of US citizens to bear arms. The only and only thing reason I see here is right to arms. What a stupid right? There are whole lot crazy people everywhere and I am sure that people in Uzbeksitan who face injustice, lie can while in anger do the same thing, but they can't get arms so easily as they can in the US.

[inDecision]

Is dealing with death easier if you can plan for it? Or it is not as painful to their loved ones?

Do you really think people could not get guns in Uzbekistan if they wanted? :shock: :? I think you would be surprised how easy it is.
well dying from cancer or car accident is not mas-sacre. The probability of that all 30 students from one class be killed by cancer or by car accident at the same time is equal to almost zero. Nobody is saying death by cancer or car accident is more favorable. Once you're dead, it doesn't matter how you died, but everything is about numbers. 32 is a big number and even mass-media gives title to news with the numbers involved in incidents(you never hear journalist starting hot news with just saying there was massacre, they start 32 students were killed in the massacre...or 7 soldiers died because of bombing)
Obviously it is not that easy to get arms in Uzb. You cannot buy it from local shop or "little Mexico" in Uzb.

[furik]

My first thought when I heard about shootings: "I hope this guy is not a muslim..."

My second thought: "I wonder if he is a PhD student?" I am trying to defend, hence my thoughts are going this way.

[abcd]

My first thought when I heard about shootings: "I hope this guy is not a muslim..."



That was my first thought too. Still CNN reporting the event did not forget to mention about some bogus website which was created to monitor hate in Middle East. Do'h! What that has to do with events in Virginia I still can't understand.

[Professor]

The gunman in the Virginia Tech massacre was a sullen loner who alarmed professors and classmates with his twisted, violence-drenched creative writing and left a rambling note raging against women and rich kids. You caused me to do this," the official quoted the note as saying.
Cho indicated in his letter that the end was near and that there was a deed to be done, the official said. He also expressed disappointment in his own religion, and made several references to Christianity, the official said.
The Washington Post quoted law enforcement sources as saying Cho died with the words "Ismail Ax" in red ink on one of his arms, but they were not sure what that meant. :shock:


Roanoke Firearms owner John Markell said his shop sold the Glock and a box of practice ammo to Cho 36 days ago for $571. "He was a nice, clean-cut college kid. We won't sell a gun if we have any idea at all that a purchase is suspicious," Markell said.

[Frida]

The Washington Post quoted law enforcement sources as saying Cho died with the words "Ismail Ax" in red ink on one of his arms, but they were not sure what that meant. :shock:



whatever. :rolleyes: where did you get this from? paranoidmuslim.com? please cite the source, instead of creating this paranoia here.

[UzbekGirlie]

Sad incident... A lot of my friends go to this school and I know 12 of victims...

[Professor]

whatever. :rolleyes: where did you get this from? paranoidmuslim.com? please cite the source, instead of creating this paranoia here.

enjoy frida http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070418/ap_on_re_us/virginia_tech_shooting

[anatoliydaev]

Cho Seung-Hui's Plays (http://newsbloggers.aol.com/2007/04/17/cho-seung-huis-plays/)

Ian MacFarlane: When I first heard about the multiple shootings at Virginia Tech yesterday, my first thought was about my friends, and my second thought was "I bet it was Seung Cho."

[Professor]

The family lived in Korea in a rented, basement apartment — usually the cheapest unit in a multi-apartment building, the newspaper reported quoting building owner Lim Bong-ae, 67. Police identified the shooter's father as Cho Seong-tae, 61.
"I didn't know what (Cho's father) did for a living. But they lived a poor life," Lim told the newspaper. "While emigrating, (Cho's father) said they were going to America because it is difficult to live here and that it's better to live in a place where he is unknown."


(http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070418/ap_on_re_as/virginia_tech_skorea;_ylt=Anf1DuMjEj_D1JSSUGV5quQU ewgF)http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070418/ap_on_re_as/virginia_tech_skorea;_ylt=Anf1DuMjEj_D1JSSUGV5quQU ewgF

[Shawn]

enjoy frida http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070418/ap_on_re_us/virginia_tech_shooting
Where did you get the info that he has written "Ismail ..." on his hand? The link you privided doesn't say anything like this.

[bacha]

whatever. :rolleyes: where did you get this from? paranoidmuslim.com? please cite the source, instead of creating this paranoia here.

Here is a link from Newsru.com:
Перед смертью, возможно, он принял ислам. Что значит надпись на руке Ismail Ax (http://www.newsru.com/world/18apr2007/plays.html#0)

[abcd]

Trying hard to link this inicident to muslims.

[Professor]

Where did you get the info that he has written "Ismail ..." on his hand? The link you privided doesn't say anything like this.
Yesterday it was there, anyway just search on net Ismail Ax Choi, Virgina Tech, you will hundreds of them and here's some comments why it Ismal Ax was written on his right hand http://men.netscape.com/story/2007/04/17/va-tech-shooters-note-signed-ismail-ax (http://men.netscape.com/story/2007/04/17/va-tech-shooters-note-signed-ismail-ax)

Some of them: Moby Dick - the protagonist. The shooter was a CHRISTIAN. Maybe he used the name so he could be sure a right-wing Muslim-hating website would pick it up. And it worked.
"Ishmael is the narrator (and arguably the protagonist) of the 1851 novel Moby-Dick by U.S. author Herman Melville. It is through his eyes and experience that the reader experiences the story of the ship Pequod, and the fight between Captain Ahab and the white whale. He is a central character in the action in the early part of the novel, essentially fulfilling all the requirements of being a conventional protagonist. After the Pequod leaves Nantucket, he increasingly recedes into the background as a commentator, with his voice approaching that of an omniscient narrator at times, able to see into all parts of the ship and into the private motivations of other characters."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ishmael_(Moby-Dick) (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ishmael_(Moby-Dick))

[-Resident-]

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070418/ap_on_re_us/virginia_tech_shooting
Va. Tech gunman sent material to NBC

[stanford]

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070418/ap_on_re_us/virginia_tech_shooting
Va. Tech gunman sent material to NBC

Manifesto against wealthy? I bet not everyone he shot was rich.

[-Resident-]

http://video.msn.com/v/us/v.htm?g=925BC281-CE20-439E-9682-8CC58066B2BF&t=c3557&f=06/64&p=hotvideo_m_vatech&fg=&GT1=9246
here is the video.

[SmIlIk]

Guys, it is Ishmael Ax, not Ismail (if it said Ismail, arabic version of Ishmael, that would be a little different case ). The package he sent to NBC news said it was from A. Ishmael. Killer keeps talking about jesus and swears at rich people. He was clearly bunked in the head and was suicidal before the shootings. There is no connection to Islam whatsoever. At least no one made a connection to Islam besides you guys...

SMLK

[kipchak]

так мысли вслух

парень, 2 пистолета Глок, пару обойм запасных, Глок вмещает 15 патронов в обойму, итого у него 30 в двух пистолетах, и запас.

убитых 32 человека, раненных 21.

Убитые сидели в одном классе - 32 человека в одном классе так?.. получается что он супер киллер - сразу стрелял в точку, насмерть, и еще успел перезарядить минимум одну обойму, (30 патронов - 32 трупа). ПИстолет не автомат - больше времени надо убить всех их, следовательно вопрос - а что другие делали? просто сидели сложа руки? не ломанулись напролом? там вроде и мужики были в класее да?

Как насчет видеокамер? ведь в универе должны быть камеры слежения, особенно в общаге? что там на пленке? где были секурити кампуса? почему СВАТ так долго разбирался что делать с одиночкой?..

23 года парню, это надо что бы он проходил годы тренировок что бы замочить так профессионально, причем стрелял с обоих рук, и очень точно,точнее некуда. Причем у него психика должна быть железной - убитб человека только в кино легко, а в жизни попробуйте хоть руку сломать человеку - посмотрите на свою реакцию, а тут хладнокровный расстрел - и в итоге пулю себе в лоб..
странно да, нет свидетелей, некого спросить, можно вешать что угодно.

А как он еще успел 21 человека ранить? ведь на это НУЖНО ВРЕМЯ!! а выстрелы ведь были слышны, крики, и так далее, где была охрана, он еще вышел на улицу и пулять начал вокруг, а копы испарились да? и никто не смог его завалить да? .. не увязывается что то ребята, честное слово.

не надо верить этим СМИ - вспомните про 9-11 что было то, как образ создавался..


ПС
если вытащить на уровень социума, что в Америке есть - правильно оружие на руках, что нужно что бы оружие исчезло - правильно - нужны инцинденты, и так далее, а для чего и кому - вот это уже вопрос на миллион баксов. КОМУ ВЫГОДНО что бы оружие запретили... - только не надо тут истерику закатывать мол с ружьем столько бандитов и так далее....я бы был за если бы у народа было оружие, вспомните Швейцарию - почему Гитлер не решился напасть на нее? или Ирландию -сколько лет она сопротивлялась успешно Британии.. так чисто аналогия.

[lilbit]

так мысли вслух

парень, 2 пистолета Глок, пару обойм запасных, Глок вмещает 15 патронов в обойму, итого у него 30 в двух пистолетах, и запас.

убитых 32 человека, раненных 21.

Убитые сидели в одном классе - 32 человека в одном классе так?.. получается что он супер киллер - сразу стрелял в точку, насмерть, и еще успел перезарядить минимум одну обойму, (30 патронов - 32 трупа). ПИстолет не автомат - больше времени надо убить всех их, следовательно вопрос - а что другие делали? просто сидели сложа руки? не ломанулись напролом? там вроде и мужики были в класее да?

Как насчет видеокамер? ведь в универе должны быть камеры слежения, особенно в общаге? что там на пленке? где были секурити кампуса? почему СВАТ так долго разбирался что делать с одиночкой?..

23 года парню, это надо что бы он проходил годы тренировок что бы замочить так профессионально, причем стрелял с обоих рук, и очень точно,точнее некуда. Причем у него психика должна быть железной - убитб человека только в кино легко, а в жизни попробуйте хоть руку сломать человеку - посмотрите на свою реакцию, а тут хладнокровный расстрел - и в итоге пулю себе в лоб..
странно да, нет свидетелей, некого спросить, можно вешать что угодно.

А как он еще успел 21 человека ранить? ведь на это НУЖНО ВРЕМЯ!! а выстрелы ведь были слышны, крики, и так далее, где была охрана, он еще вышел на улицу и пулять начал вокруг, а копы испарились да? и никто не смог его завалить да? .. не увязывается что то ребята, честное слово.

не надо верить этим СМИ - вспомните про 9-11 что было то, как образ создавался..


ПС
если вытащить на уровень социума, что в Америке есть - правильно оружие на руках, что нужно что бы оружие исчезло - правильно - нужны инцинденты, и так далее, а для чего и кому - вот это уже вопрос на миллион баксов. КОМУ ВЫГОДНО что бы оружие запретили... - только не надо тут истерику закатывать мол с ружьем столько бандитов и так далее....я бы был за если бы у народа было оружие, вспомните Швейцарию - почему Гитлер не решился напасть на нее? или Ирландию -сколько лет она сопротивлялась успешно Британии.. так чисто аналогия.

esli pokapat'sya v internete, to mojno nayti online video, o razrabotkah orujiya deystvuyushego na soznanie, i delayushego iz obichnogo cheloveka - soldata. Videl eto video gde-to mesyaca tri nazad. Eto tol'ko odna iz versiy!, no KIPCHAK prav v tom smisle, chto odnomu cheloveku, daje iz vseh etih Hollywoodskih boevikov trudno sdelat' to, chto sdelal etot chudila! [strelyayut "po Makedosnki" tol'ko ochen' bol'shie professionali]

60 patronov, 53 popadaniya! Uroven' tochnosti pochti 90%. Emu b v spec naz!

Naschot mentov v kampusah - eto otdel'naya tema! Esli v istorii Univera, kampusa nikogda ne bilo chego to ser'yoznogo, to menti prakticheski ne sposobni nichego delat'! Eto te je studenti, tol'ko s orujiem, kotorie hodyat v zad vpered po kampusu, sozdavaya effect prisutstviya!


P.S. Mnogo mojno govorit' o tom, komu eto bilo vigodno! Takih massa, nachinaya ot teh kto doljen ohranyat', t.e. tex kto zanimayutsya vnutrenney bezopasnost'yu v strane, i zakanchivaya politikanami, kotorie jelayut otvlech' vnimanie grajdan ot tekushih problem s voinoi v Irake i prochey erundoi. I eshe... vibori na nosu! Nado delat' rating.

[dukeable]

here is the video.I was watching it alive. Shocking. phsyco murderer. :uups: I hate to travel to the states...

[Vezunchik]

esli pokapat'sya v internete, to mojno nayti online video, o razrabotkah orujiya deystvuyushego na soznanie, i delayushego iz obichnogo cheloveka - soldata. Videl eto video gde-to mesyaca tri nazad. Eto tol'ko odna iz versiy!, no KIPCHAK prav v tom smisle, chto odnomu cheloveku, daje iz vseh etih Hollywoodskih boevikov trudno sdelat' to, chto sdelal etot chudila! [strelyayut "po Makedosnki" tol'ko ochen' bol'shie professionali]

60 patronov, 53 popadaniya! Uroven' tochnosti pochti 90%. Emu b v spec naz!

Naschot mentov v kampusah - eto otdel'naya tema! Esli v istorii Univera, kampusa nikogda ne bilo chego to ser'yoznogo, to menti prakticheski ne sposobni nichego delat'! Eto te je studenti, tol'ko s orujiem, kotorie hodyat v zad vpered po kampusu, sozdavaya effect prisutstviya!


P.S. Mnogo mojno govorit' o tom, komu eto bilo vigodno! Takih massa, nachinaya ot teh kto doljen ohranyat', t.e. tex kto zanimayutsya vnutrenney bezopasnost'yu v strane, i zakanchivaya politikanami, kotorie jelayut otvlech' vnimanie grajdan ot tekushih problem s voinoi v Irake i prochey erundoi. I eshe... vibori na nosu! Nado delat' rating.


60 patronov i 53 popodaniya. eta konechno klasss. No ne zabi`vate chto samoe ujasnoeee on strelyal v upor s blizkogo rasstoyaniya v classah. to est tehnicheskaya chast voprosa ne problema, on bi`l slishkom blizok vsem. No glavnaya problema eta Psihologicheskaya, eta chudoveshnaya jestokost i hlodnokrovie.

Kak raz vchera prohodili temu Social Capiatl, gde obsujdali American Democracy. socialni`y faktor obshestva idet na ubi`l, lyudi drugih lyudey vosprinimayut ne kak obshestva, s kotori`m nado schitasya i obshatsya, a prosto 80-90 kg jivogo sushestva, kotorogo nado vsego lish terpet, tak kak, on ne vliyayet na tvoyu jizn polojitelno. To est, ne uvajenie k interesam drugih, polnoe ignorirovanie ostaln`ih, esli tot ne tvoy Boss ili police, kotori`e hot kakto otrjayutsya v tvoey jizne.

Moral:

eta toje mojno nazvat Kultural shock. Aziat, nositel drugoy , bolee sotsialnoy kulturi` okazalsya v obshestve, kotoryu trudno nazvat obshestvom, kotori`y bolshe pohoj na bolshu komnatu gde lyudi zashli chtob tolko poluchit svoi dengi i chuhnut. To est, raznost obshestv dlya nego okazalsya rokovi`m. Ego ignorirovali, a on reshil snachalo dokazat chto on toje v etom mire sushestvuyet, no potom uje tormaza ne srabotali. Vot i shizanulsya.
i tem bolee devushka v dobavok toje ustroila emu Izmenu, i eta konechno okazalsya kak spichka dlya porohovogo yashika.

v Azii vsegda tebya byut, unijayut, davyat, izdevayutsya , zastavlyayut - eta tip Vnimaniye k tebe. tem bolee mozahisti` etomu pri`vi`kayut.
kogda vsego etogo netu chelovek, tem bolee Mozahist ne znayet chto delat. i eta nachala Psihomanii.

[kipchak]

60 patronov i 53 popodaniya. eta konechno klasss. No ne zabi`vate chto samoe ujasnoeee on strelyal v upor s blizkogo rasstoyaniya v classah. to est tehnicheskaya chast voprosa ne problema, on bi`l slishkom blizok vsem. Psihomanii.


сразу видно - нестрелянный еще юзер:) оружие давно держал в руках настоящее?
почитай еще раз внимательно мой предыдущий пост. только обрати внимание как раз на технические моменты. а ты про психологический портрет - помни - его же рисуют ПОСМЕРТНО!!! а посмертно что угодно можно лепить - ведь никто не опротестует...логика млин..




P.S. Mnogo mojno govorit' o tom, komu eto bilo vigodno! Takih massa, nachinaya ot teh kto doljen ohranyat', t.e. tex kto zanimayutsya vnutrenney bezopasnost'yu v strane, i zakanchivaya politikanami, kotorie jelayut otvlech' vnimanie grajdan ot tekushih problem s voinoi v Irake i prochey erundoi. I eshe... vibori na nosu! Nado delat' rating.

правильно мыслишь батенька, только теперь ширше ширше пробуй!забудь про рейтинг - думай кому выгодно что бы нация была обезоружена?

[StU]

правильно мыслишь батенька, только теперь ширше ширше пробуй!забудь про рейтинг - думай кому выгодно что бы нация была обезоружена?

batenka, vi stanovites smertelno skuchnim i predskazuemim.

[lilbit]

правильно мыслишь батенька, только теперь ширше ширше пробуй!забудь про рейтинг - думай кому выгодно что бы нация была обезоружена?

bratka, komu nado i mojet - dodumayut! komu ne nado ili rano - ne zachem znat' vsego i seychas. Ato chego hudogo etot mir pokajetsya adom s detstva.

Vezunchiku - poderji pistolet v rukah i poprobuy 9 vistrelov iz desyati popadat' v cel' v 5 metrah!))))) A potom poraduysya!))))))). Mne dovodilos' strelyat' iz orujiya, kak iz gazovih tak i armeyskih - ne legko popast' v desyatku!))))))))))))

P.S. ))))))))))))))))))))seychas vspomnil poslednie burno obsujdaemie temi na forume, i reshil predupredit' - evreev ne vputivayte syuda, davayte bez nih kak to razberemsya!)))))))))))

[Vezunchik]

bratka, komu nado i mojet - dodumayut! komu ne nado ili rano - ne zachem znat' vsego i seychas. Ato chego hudogo etot mir pokajetsya adom s detstva.

Vezunchiku - poderji pistolet v rukah i poprobuy 9 vistrelov iz desyati popadat' v cel' v 5 metrah!))))) A potom poraduysya!))))))). Mne dovodilos' strelyat' iz orujiya, kak iz gazovih tak i armeyskih - ne legko popast' v desyatku!))))))))))))

P.S. ))))))))))))))))))))seychas vspomnil poslednie burno obsujdaemie temi na forume, i reshil predupredit' - evreev ne vputivayte syuda, davayte bez nih kak to razberemsya!)))))))))))

Zrenie -1. Bez ochkov nabiral iz 30 29 (!) s Pist.Makarov . Granata iz 120 chelovek tolko 2 cheloveka popodali v yablochku.

kalash obojal, iz desantnogo kalasha probival mishen ot 400 metrov (toje bez ochkov, i pri etom 40% v krovi). po Bazuke 2 vistrela.
vsyo eta 4 goda nazad. Toga prosto stesnyalsya hodit s ochkami. tak chto ne shutite:)))))) 2 mesyatsa slujil, no naznachali politRuk roti`!!!!! hehehehe!!! ne budite vo mne Ofitsera!!:))))

po Mokarovu znayu, Galvnoe hlodnokrovie!!!!

[kipchak]

batenka, vi stanovites smertelno skuchnim i predskazuemim.

матушка, а я вам в клоуны не записывался, и тем более замуж не зову.
а между нами девочками, если я становлюсь уже предсказуемым для вас - значит вы умнеете. Поздравляю, не ожидал от вас такой прыткости.

Zrenie -1. Bez ochkov nabiral iz 30 29 (!) s Pist.Makarov . Granata iz 120 chelovek tolko 2 cheloveka popodali v yablochku.

kalash obojal, iz desantnogo kalasha probival mishen ot 400 metrov (toje bez ochkov, i pri etom 40% v krovi). po Bazuke 2 vistrela.
vsyo eta 4 goda nazad. Toga prosto stesnyalsya hodit s ochkami. tak chto ne shutite:)))))) 2 mesyatsa slujil,

а теперь вспомни как тебя мучили что бы ты таким метким стал? или сколько сам тренировался что бы так попадать? тем более нука вспомни - какой уровень подготовки нужен что бы стрелять из обоих пистолетов и причем попадать сразу в яблочко?.. ведь что бы одинаково точно стрелять с обеих рук - нужны минимум годы подготовки!! а тут парень в очках, хилый на мой взгляд - а показывает мастерство которому многие могу позавидовать....Так что еще раз подумай кто и как мог убить этих студентов. У меня лично очнь большие сомнения в подлинности офиц.версии.

bratka, komu nado i mojet - dodumayut! komu ne nado ili rano - ne zachem znat' vsego i seychas. Ato chego hudogo etot mir pokajetsya adom s detstva..............P.S. ))))))))))))))))))))seychas vspomnil poslednie burno obsujdaemie temi na forume, i reshil predupredit' - evreev ne vputivayte syuda, davayte bez nih kak to razberemsya!))))))))))).

согласен. Умеющий думать - да подумает:) Так, чисто для интереса посмотри кто лоббирует отмену оружия в конгрессе. логика - вещь очень упрямая, особенно для тех кто владеет фактами.

[Vezunchik]

матушка, а я вам в клоуны не записывался.
а между нами девочками, если я становлюсь уже предсказуемым для вас - значит вы умнеете.


svoloch, ostraumno:)))) sidel i dumal, vot chto on otvetit. No ne ojidal poslednuyu frazu , nedootsenil.

znaya yeyo , ona toje chtoto lyapnit takoe:))))) uje interesno , i bez yevreev:))))

[StU]

матушка, а я вам в клоуны не записывался.
а между нами девочками, если я становлюсь уже предсказуемым для вас - значит вы умнеете.

vy daje ne predstavlyaete naskol'ko sebe l'stite ;)

[lilbit]

Zrenie -1. Bez ochkov nabiral iz 30 29 (!) s Pist.Makarov . Granata iz 120 chelovek tolko 2 cheloveka popodali v yablochku.

kalash obojal, iz desantnogo kalasha probival mishen ot 400 metrov (toje bez ochkov, i pri etom 40% v krovi). po Bazuke 2 vistrela.
vsyo eta 4 goda nazad. Toga prosto stesnyalsya hodit s ochkami. tak chto ne shutite:)))))) 2 mesyatsa slujil, no naznachali politRuk roti`!!!!! hehehehe!!! ne budite vo mne Ofitsera!!:))))

po Mokarovu znayu, Galvnoe hlodnokrovie!!!!

Vezunchik, soglasis', chto na poligone bilo ne tol'ko hladnokrovie, no i . .
spokoistvie vokrug!
sosredotochennost'!
i . .. vzglyad kontroliruyushego officera u tebya na zatilke. i mnogoe mnogo drugoe,
I vsyo eto delalo 29 iz 30. A ti prosto voz'mo i postaryasya strel'nut' v domashnee jivotnoe! Ya staralsya, - ne poluchilos'. Problemniy kalash okazalsya (shutka)!!!)))) Tupo ruka ne podnyalas' . A parenek etot na fotkah ochen' daje normalniy, i vidno chto on zemlyanin. Poslednie video - uje kak budto podmenili!

P.S. Kstati posmotri v smeshnih istoriyah iz jizni, ya napisal sluchay so mnoi na poligone. Odnim iz geroev bil Makarovskiy "instrument"!

[Vezunchik]

vy daje ne predstavlyaete naskol'ko sebe l'stite ;)


toje nichego, No, mi` verim tebe, ti` umeyesh esho kruche!! NU davay, poprobuy esho raz krassavitsa!!!


ON:

hozir maniyam dabdalamni chiqarishmasa bo`ldidi.....

manga poka tegmi turila.....

[Vezunchik]

Vezunchik, soglasis', chto na poligone bilo ne tol'ko hladnokrovie, no i . .
spokoistvie vokrug!
sosredotochennost'!
i . .. vzglyad kontroliruyushego officera u tebya na zatilke. i mnogoe mnogo drugoe,
I vsyo eto delalo 29 iz 30. A ti prosto voz'mo i postaryasya strel'nut' v domashnee jivotnoe! Ya staralsya, - ne poluchilos'. Problemniy kalash okazalsya (shutka)!!!)))) Tupo ruka ne podnyalas' . A parenek etot na fotkah ochen' daje normalniy, i vidno chto on zemlyanin. Poslednie video - uje kak budto podmenili!

P.S. Kstati posmotri v smeshnih istoriyah iz jizni, ya napisal sluchay so mnoi na poligone. Odnim iz geroev bil Makarovskiy "instrument"!

kakaya jalost:))))) ne poluchilsya soseda ubit....:)))

Vo dayesh!!! ti` v pryam Gumanist iz Freyda!!!!

ON:

soglasen, da poligone eta po drugomu....

[lilbit]

kakaya jalost:))))) ne poluchilsya soseda ubit....:)))

Vo dayesh!!! ti` v pryam Gumanist iz Freyda!!!!

ON:

soglasen, da poligone eta po drugomu....

tot Gumanist iz Freyda stoyal v storonke i krasnel kogda ya s kolashom za kotyonkom begal )))))

[Wolfman]

kecha man matematika professorimni ko'rdim televizorda. u hozir Virginia Tech da ekan. interview berganida ko'rib qoldim.






Wolf

[Vezunchik]

kecha man matematika professorimni ko'rdim televizorda. u hozir Virginia Tech da ekan. interview berganida ko'rib qoldim.

Wolf

eta ti` k chemu??? jeleyesh , chto on do sih por v sostoyani davat intervyu ili .....???

[lilbit]

eta ti` k chemu??? jeleyesh , chto on do sih por v sostoyani davat intervyu ili .....???
konechno jaleet! ved' teper' to emu final testa ne minovat' ))))))))))

[Vezunchik]

konechno jaleet! ved' teper' to emu final testa ne minovat' ))))))))))


ya segodnya odnomu prepodu Shutil- "esli B postavish ya poydu Kameru kuplyu chtob sebya snimat na posledok, ......".

Lejbi` etot Yposhka pravilno ponel shutku, a to oni s bzi`kom....

[lilbit]

ya segodnya odnomu prepodu Shutil- "esli B postavish ya poydu Kameru kuplyu chtob sebya snimat na posledok, ......".

Lejbi` etot Yposhka pravilno ponel shutku, a to oni s bzi`kom....

nashol s kem shutit')))))))))). On seychas v yakudzu pozvonit, i v mestnoe KGB, chtob za toboi sledili!))))

[Vezunchik]

ooo, posmotrite eta poleznaya shtuka
mne ochen ponravilos. Фантастическое оружие

eta ne AK i ne PM

[kipchak]

vy daje ne predstavlyaete naskol'ko sebe l'stite ;)

я умею всего лишь думать, а представлять это уже ваш удел. Поэтому вы правы... Не отчаивайтесь, Терешкова тоже не сразу полетела в космос.


Везунчик! провокатор млин, мало того что обзываешься, еще и керосина подливаешь. Я думал что только женщины могут в сторону так разговор уводить...:lol: Хотя ты сказал что политруком служил да?.. ну тогда все сходится :lol:


ОФФ - топ
ну вот , опять тему затоптали... никакого рвения к правде:lol:

[Vezunchik]

a vot eta vooooobshe supppper shtuchka.

eta kak raz po teme! Теория невероятности - Потусторонний мир

off-top:

daaa, ya zashel i vam topic ugrobil. tuppa tuzu Holakasim o`ynavotudila:)))) jal, soryyyy

[lilbit]

a vot eta vooooobshe supppper shtuchka.

eta kak raz po teme! http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-2083187199565370329

off-top:

daaa, ya zashel i vam topic ugrobil. tuppa tuzu Holakasim o`ynavotudila:)))) jal, soryyyy
posmotri, v nete doljna bit' odna iz peredach iz serii "Udarnaya sila". Tam rasskazivaetsya pro rossiyskogo professora, koptorogo zapad pitaetssya peremanit'. On zanimaetsya problemoi upravleniya massovim soznaniem! interesnaya peredacha!

a ya tashus' ot samoletov - istrebiteli, bombardirovshiki, shturmoviki! Celaya kucha video filov !

[Wolfman]

tushunmadim, o'zbekcha gapir.




Wolf

eta ti` k chemu??? jeleyesh , chto on do sih por v sostoyani davat intervyu ili .....???

[Rusya]

Развели наводнение в виде флуда :evil:

[SmIlIk]

так мысли вслух

парень, 2 пистолета Глок, пару обойм запасных, Глок вмещает 15 патронов в обойму, итого у него 30 в двух пистолетах, и запас.

убитых 32 человека, раненных 21.

Убитые сидели в одном классе - 32 человека в одном классе так?.. получается что он супер киллер - сразу стрелял в точку, насмерть, и еще успел перезарядить минимум одну обойму, (30 патронов - 32 трупа). ПИстолет не автомат - больше времени надо убить всех их, следовательно вопрос - а что другие делали? просто сидели сложа руки? не ломанулись напролом? там вроде и мужики были в класее да?

Как насчет видеокамер? ведь в универе должны быть камеры слежения, особенно в общаге? что там на пленке? где были секурити кампуса? почему СВАТ так долго разбирался что делать с одиночкой?..

23 года парню, это надо что бы он проходил годы тренировок что бы замочить так профессионально, причем стрелял с обоих рук, и очень точно,точнее некуда. Причем у него психика должна быть железной - убитб человека только в кино легко, а в жизни попробуйте хоть руку сломать человеку - посмотрите на свою реакцию, а тут хладнокровный расстрел - и в итоге пулю себе в лоб..
странно да, нет свидетелей, некого спросить, можно вешать что угодно.

А как он еще успел 21 человека ранить? ведь на это НУЖНО ВРЕМЯ!! а выстрелы ведь были слышны, крики, и так далее, где была охрана, он еще вышел на улицу и пулять начал вокруг, а копы испарились да? и никто не смог его завалить да? .. не увязывается что то ребята, честное слово.

не надо верить этим СМИ - вспомните про 9-11 что было то, как образ создавался..


ПС
если вытащить на уровень социума, что в Америке есть - правильно оружие на руках, что нужно что бы оружие исчезло - правильно - нужны инцинденты, и так далее, а для чего и кому - вот это уже вопрос на миллион баксов. КОМУ ВЫГОДНО что бы оружие запретили... - только не надо тут истерику закатывать мол с ружьем столько бандитов и так далее....я бы был за если бы у народа было оружие, вспомните Швейцарию - почему Гитлер не решился напасть на нее? или Ирландию -сколько лет она сопротивлялась успешно Британии.. так чисто аналогия.


Dlja togo chtob uznat' pochemu zhe nikto manyaka ne zavalil, nado bilo poslushat' samih ochevidcev :) Zdanie v etom universitete bilo staroe. Vot imenno tam zhe security kamer ne bilo (v obshyagah security cameras? vpervie slishu). Ne bilo fire exits, prignut' tozhe bilo ne vozmozhno (4 etazh, shlepnulis' bi). Skoree on vibral krilo etogo starogo zdaniya znaya chto vse budet pod ego kontrolem. "There were no locks on classrooms doors", skazal odin student...

Postradavshie sideli v 3 klassah. Dveri na eto krilo koreec zavyazal na cep'. Dalee, maliy zastupal za porog kazhdoy komanti i strelyal v upor. Vihodil obratno i tozhe samoe prodeloval v kazhdoy komnate. Te kto vizhivali vistrela prosto na prosto boyalis' visovivatsya, neznaya chego ozhidat' ot situacii. V konce koncov pacani v odnom klasse pristavili stol k dvreyam i smogli proderzhat'sya. Tak kak koreec bil slabenkim probit' dver' emu ne udalos'.
A to chto po shee poluchat mnogie, eto ochevidno...

Mozhet i ne nado verit' v SMI... No, faktam verit' nado vsegda :) Nel'zya vo vsem videt konspiraciyu. V Amerike takih bol'nih yey Bogu kak mnogo (nachinaya s Busha)

P.S. Govoryat (hozain oruzheynogo magazina) maliy priobrel oruzhie (vtoroe) poltora goda nazad. Tak, dumayu u nego bilo ne malo vremeni potrenirovat'sya. Etot chuvak prosil svoih roommatov nazivat' ego, question mark(?), u nego bila imaginary girlfriend Jelly! Lechili chuvaka do etogo v psihushke.... Devushki otkazivali emu tol'ko tak. Sam on bil iz bednoy sem'i i zhil v rayone VA gde minimal'anaya zarplata bila 82,0000.00K. A chto mozhno bilo eshe ozhidat' ot loosera kak on?!

[Inspiredmind]

Dlja togo chtob uznat' pochemu zhe nikto manyaka ne zavalil, nado bilo poslushat' samih ochevidcev :) Zdanie v etom universitete bilo staroe. Vot imenno tam zhe security kamer ne bilo (v obshyagah security cameras? vpervie slishu). Ne bilo fire exits, prignut' tozhe bilo ne vozmozhno (4 etazh, shlepnulis' bi). Skoree on vibral krilo etogo starogo zdaniya znaya chto vse budet pod ego kontrolem. "There were no locks on classrooms doors", skazal odin student...

Postradavshie sideli v 3 klassah. Dveri na eto krilo koreec zavyazal na cep'. Dalee, maliy zastupal za porog kazhdoy komanti i strelyal v upor. Vihodil obratno i tozhe samoe prodeloval v kazhdoy komnate. Te kto vizhivali vistrela prosto na prosto boyalis' visovivatsya, neznaya chego ozhidat' ot situacii. V konce koncov pacani v odnom klasse pristavili stol k dvreyam i smogli proderzhat'sya. Tak kak koreec bil slabenkim probit' dver' emu ne udalos'.
A to chto po shee poluchat mnogie eto ochevidno...

Mozhet i ne nado verit' v SMI... No, faktam verit' nado vsegda :) Nel'zya vo vsem videt konspiraciyu. V Amerike takih bol'nih yey Bogu kak mnogo (Nashinaya s Busha)

da e'to pravda, no zachem emy SNB newws>? chtobu ludi uzali? xm... hotya on psix,,but smart psix...

[SmIlIk]

[/B]

da e'to pravda, no zachem emy SNB newws>? chtobu ludi uzali? xm... hotya on psix,,but smart psix...

NBC news? vidno slabenkiy on... i psihicheski i fizicheski. Smart psix? :) Da, ego prizerali vse. Professora prosili chtob on ne sidel u nih na urokah. Vidimo hotel revanjanut' :D Posilaya v NBC news - takim obrazom yakobi on popal v istoriyu. Vidimo chuvak smotrel' NBC news. Ne CNN, ne BBC :lol:

[kipchak]

Mozhet i ne nado verit' v SMI... No, faktam verit' nado vsegda :)

Конечно ваша версия имеет право на бытие. Но что то она никак не отличается от того что говорят СМИ. Теперь осталось найти эти факты как у них так и у вас в посту... тяжело что то..:lol:

ПС
кстати - он когда успел на видео сняться и нафоткаться? между перестрелкой по моему да? или нет? и потом это точно он на фейс - или просто похожий на него очень азиат?... столько вопросов, поэтому не спешите с выводами сильно.

[SmIlIk]

Конечно ваша версия имеет право на бытие. Но что то она никак не отличается от того что говорят СМИ. Теперь осталось найти эти факты как у них так и у вас в посту... тяжело что то..:lol:

Vryaaadli student s 4 dirkami v tele budet vrat' :) Esli vi dumaete chto emu SMI zaplatili vrat', to i vashih rechah est' dolya pravdi. Esli bi delo bilo v oruzhiyah i kak vi govorite, komu to eto ugodno, ih bi uzhe ubrali s belogo rinka davno. Ne hvataet li obtrelov v high schoolah? Problema v tom chto, dazhe esli legal'nuyu prodazhu ostanovyat', cherniy rinok budet gudet'. Lyudi v amerike finansovi mogut sebe pozvolit' paru ruzhey, bez problem.

[The Reaper]

Did anyone watch Larry King yesterday? He had parents of one of the victims there as his guests. Of course Larry King being one of the most well-known journalists asked better questions than other networks. :rolleyes:

"How did you feel when you found out that your son was killed?"
"How will your life will go now after these events?"

I think it was FoxNews which asked one of the students, "How did it feel watching when your friend got shot in the face?" Apparently CNN is trying to lower the bar.

I couldn't believe that old fart had the guts to ask these stupid questions, and the dumbass parents were attention whoring off of their dead child's memory. They were holding each others' hands on national TV and it looked so fake, stupid and reprehensive, I switched the channel right away!

I mean seriously what good can people like them bring to the table, beside wearing a "Don't Go There" t-shirt?

TR

[SmIlIk]

Did anyone watch Larry King yesterday? He had parents of one of the victims there as his guests. Of course Larry King being one of the most well-known journalists asked better questions than other networks. :rolleyes:

"How did you feel when you found out that your son was killed?"
"How will your life will go now after these events?"

I think it was FoxNews which asked one of the students, "How did it feel watching when your friend got shot in the face?" Apparently CNN is trying to lower the bar.

I couldn't believe that old fart had the guts to ask these stupid questions, and the dumbass parents were attention whoring off of their dead child's memory. They were holding each others' hands on national TV and it looked so fake, stupid and reprehensive, I switched the channel right away!

I mean seriously what good can people like them bring to the table, beside wearing a "Don't Go There" t-shirt?

TR

Yeah, that was much odd. Those friends of killed girl: I mean, what was their problem? Smiling at camera when her friend and roommate was shot to death?

[The Reaper]

Yeah, that was much odd. Those friends of killed girl: I mean, what was their problem? Smiling at camera when her friend and roommate was shot to death?

How much will you bet we'll soon have dozens of book deals?
Exploitation of this tragedy is just starting.

TR

[Unique]

Everything is so fake, news are getting retarded. But the fact is 32 people are killed, they are gone!

[lilbit]

The truth is out there! All the facts will fit to main hypothesis of this massacre. And government will do everything to make people believe in it. Only in San Francisco yesterday there were two cases of suspicious actions. And I call it mass panic. The same was after 9/11 attack, everybody forgot about present problems, and started to think about anything else but what they needed think about.

[kipchak]

Vryaaadli student s 4 dirkami v tele budet vrat' :) Esli vi dumaete chto emu SMI zaplatili vrat', to i vashih rechah est' dolya pravdi. Esli bi delo bilo v oruzhiyah i kak vi govorite, komu to eto ugodno, ih bi uzhe ubrali s belogo rinka davno. Ne hvataet li obtrelov v high schoolah? Problema v tom chto, dazhe esli legal'nuyu prodazhu ostanovyat', cherniy rinok budet gudet'. Lyudi v amerike finansovi mogut sebe pozvolit' paru ruzhey, bez problem.

я про ивана вы про марусю..вообщем ладно,пусть каждый остается при своем мнении.

[The Reaper]

Some family members of the victims killed at Virginia Tech university canceled interviews with NBC on Thursday because the television network aired video and photographs of the killer it received in the mail.

Source (http://today.reuters.com/news/articlenews.aspx?type=domesticNews&storyid=2007-04-19T144342Z_01_N19398228_RTRUKOC_0_US-USA-CRIME-SHOOTING-NBC.xml&rpc=92).

I guess you were not against going and whoring out your loss on national TV the next day after the shooting, but God forbid media airing something actually worthy. :rolleyes:

If these idiots continue breeding, humanity is doomed!

TR

[Пушкарева]

:crying:.......................


In memory of Professor Liviu Librescu who saved his students at Virginia T.

A 76-year-old Romanian-born survivor sacrificed his life to save his students in Monday's shooting at Virginia Tech College that left 32 dead and over two dozen wounded.

Professor Liviu Librescu, 76, threw himself in front of the shooter, who had attempted to enter his classroom. The Israeli mechanics and engineering lecturer was shot to death, but all the students lived - because of him.

He blocked the doorway with his body and asked the students to flee, Joe Librescu (his son) said in a telephone interview from his home outside of Tel Aviv. "Students started opening windows and jumping out."

Professor Librescu and his wife, immigrated to Israel from Romania in 1978 and then moved to Virginia in 1985 for his sabbatical, but had stayed since then.

Thanks to his heroic effort almost the whole class has survived.


Please spread the word, among your friends on ****, about this great man.

"To save one life is as if you have saved the world"

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Help getting professor Librescu nominated for the Presidential Medal of Freedom.

[Prince]

What da F@CK we should pray for 32 students and keep 1 minute silence before the class starts at university?
200 people been killed 2 days ago In Bagdad , nobody gives a crap about that!
Why should i give a shit about 32 students!? Thats just stupid! :kill: :evil:

[Prince]

Bush: "Me and our Nation were shocked" :kill: F@CK YOU! ok?
Damn, thousands of people been killed in Iraq because of u guys! And nobody gives a shit about that! and now when 32 students bil killed like animals , now they are schoked! Stupid!

[Пушкарева]

Zloy ti.


.........................


What da F@CK we should pray for 32 students and keep 1 minute silence before the class starts at university?
200 people been killed 2 days ago In Bagdad , nobody gives a crap about that!
Why should i give a shit about 32 students!? Thats just stupid! :kill: :evil:

[Prince]

Zloy ti.


.........................

Da? Mojet ya zloy! :evil:, mojet ya ne horoshiy chelovek!!! no delat to chto oni delayut toje ne dlya menya eto prosto smeshno ignorirovat VSEH Iraqsev ili drugix kotorie pogibli izza Amerikosov!!! Kogda drugie umirayut oni ne govoryat "OY MY V SHOKE"!
32 Student is nothing compared to THOUSANDS OF IRAQI CIVILIAN PEOPLE! KIDS, CHILDREN, WOMEN WHO HAS BEEN RAPED AND KILLED!

CHECK THIS FOTOS, AND LOOK AT THIS KIDS! THEY HAVE NO SUPPORT AND NOTHING TO DO WITH WAR but THEY BEEN KILLED!
http://www.chris-floyd.com/march/13.jpg
http://www.chris-floyd.com/march/children.jpg

NOW READ MY SIGNATURE AND DONT TELL ME THEY ARE INNOCENT!

[Пушкарева]

intellegent, ne nervnichay, uspokoysya.

NOW READ MY SIGNATURE AND DONT TELL ME THEY ARE INNOCENT!

[Prince]

intellegent, ne nervnichay, uspokoysya.

Uziz jahlimmmi chiqardiz :(, Sizam amerikankasizde pochti chto... demokratka :(
Xafa buvoman shunga.....
!
P.S PM jonatgandim bordimi yo xali etib bormadimi? ;)

[Пушкарева]

man amerikanmasman, man odamman. Oldirilvotgan odamlarni millati manga parqi yoq - hammasiga barabariga hapa bolaman.

Uziz jahlimmmi chiqardiz :(, Sizam amerikankasizde pochti chto... demokratka :(
Xafa buvoman shunga.....
!
P.S PM jonatgandim bordimi yo xali etib bormadimi? ;)

[-Resident-]

Man kills self, hostage at NASA building (http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070421/ap_on_re_us/nasa_evacuation_21)
Another shooting...

[Prince]

Resident - another Minute Silence? ;)

P.S This country is good for making money, Just make good money , millions and just go back to UZB! !

[-Resident-]

Resident - another Minute Silence? ;)



Well I should ask you cause I am not student anymore:)
PS.I am posting link just to inform others...

[UzLand]

Resident - another Minute Silence? ;)

P.S This country is good for making money, Just make good money , millions and just go back to UZB! !

Lose your money there in a week and come back to US again:)

[Black]

Man kills self, hostage at NASA building (http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070421/ap_on_re_us/nasa_evacuation_21)
Another shooting...

These people are crazy.

Bitta qo'shiq bo'lardiyu, "Ne hodite deti v Afrike gulyat..." degan. Shuni o'zgartirib "Ne hodite vzroslie v Ameriku gulyat..." deb aytadigan vaqt kelibdi shekilli.

[infolife]

So if some guy in your classes went crazy and shot almost everyone in your class tomorrow you would be okay with it? You would come out and when the reporters asked you what happened you would say "this is nothing compared to what happens in Iraq everyday". :shock: :? Something to think about since you are around crazy Americans everyday. ;)

Sorry, but does it not seem to be a bit pathetic to make a big deal for 32 people yet say nothing about 650.000 dead in Iraq?
I dont understand how come some people value the life of one human over another depending on the nation?:rolleyes:

Probably more people die in a single day in Somalia, or in Eithiopia because of HIV or the lack of water resources or in a crazy tribal dispute. It's always in the news, but somewhere in the corner you hardly notice. Just because those people arent Americans...means it's ok:rolleyes:

Tell me what Bush says about at least 30-40dead in Iraq everyday. Anyone kept silent for them?

[Frida]

Sorry, but does it not seem to be a bit pathetic to make a big deal for 32 people yet say nothing about 650.000 dead in Iraq?
I dont understand how come some people value the life of one human over another depending on the nation?:rolleyes:

Probably more people die in a single day in Somalia, or in Eithiopia because of HIV or the lack of water resources or in a crazy tribal dispute. It's always in the news, but somewhere in the corner you hardly notice. Just because those people arent Americans...means it's ok:rolleyes:

Tell me what Bush says about at least 30-40dead in Iraq everyday. Anyone kept silent for them?

this is absurd. you are comparing two different things. War is war. In war you expect people die. Not in universities. That is why it is a big deal. If I knew that in my lab class some crazy classmate would stab me or shoot me, it would not be a big deal. But knowing that people generally do not die in educational institutions, but they certainly die in a battle field, it is not surprising that everybody just talking about it. In addition, all this fuss showing him with a gun and etc, could work nicely to make a case against NRA, and start lobbing against it. However, who can go against that monster.


On: One thing I really feel sorry about it is that these students might become someone important, might have done useful things if not died. Among them it seems, there were very bright students and professors. And most of them were scientists and engeneers. what a loss!

[Frida]

What da F@CK we should pray for 32 students and keep 1 minute silence before the class starts at university?
200 people been killed 2 days ago In Bagdad , nobody gives a crap about that!
Why should i give a shit about 32 students!? Thats just stupid! :kill: :evil:


Prince, your words show that you are just heartless, arrogant and selfish!!!

What is it to you to keep a minute of silence for innocent people who got shot?! Do you think all those students have anything to do with crazy government and their wars? So many of them weren't even americans! The government deserves all the curse for the things that are happening in Iraq and other countries! What does it have to do with 32 students who came to class thinking to get a knowledge and got shot?!

This just makes me sick. It is sad! No matter where people die whether it is America or Somali or Sudan! What is the point of arguing for who should you pray?! I would understand if they were asking you to make a donation, if it was something material. But this is spiritual, for god's sake. Is it so difficult to get your ass off the chair and spent one minute in silence? It is just a minute out of 24 hours a day. :evil:

[lost]

Prince, your words show that you are just heartless, arrogant and selfish!!!

What is it to you to keep a minute of silence for innocent people who got shot?! Do you think all those students have anything to do with crazy government and their wars? So many of them weren't even americans! The government deserves all the curse for the things that are happening in Iraq and other countries! What does it have to do with 32 students who came to class thinking to get a knowledge and got shot?!

This just makes me sick. It is sad! No matter where people die whether it is America or Somali or Sudan! What is the point of arguing for who should you prey?! I would understand if they were asking you to make a donation, if it was something material. But this is spiritual, for god's sake. Is it so difficult to get your ass off the chair and spent one minute in silence? It is just a minute out of 24 hours a day. :evil:
just a stupid question:
do you get your ass off the chair and spent one minute in silence for other people death?

[Frida]

just a stupid question:
do you get your ass off the chair and spent one minute in silence for other people death?

at least, every time I see news and see people who died under different circumstance say "joyi jannatdan bo'lsin". getting up and keeping a silence is just a respect. If I had to do this in public, I would not hesitate either.

Do not try to move this topic to something else. See earlier about the point I expressed about mixing two.

[lost]

at least, every time I see news and see people who died under different circumstance say "joyi jannatdan bo'lsin". getting up and keeping a silence is just a respect. If I had to do this in public, I would not hesitate either.

Do not try to move this topic to something else. See earlier about the point I expressed about mixing two.

u see, there are some who do not want to do it in the way public requires, there are some questioning differentiation of value of lives (?) of innocent people.
why their opinions should be absurd or whatever you call it?

btw, i am too far from turning this topic to something else. and feel/did feel sorry for those victims. at the same time i am sad that whatever people say, differentiation of life values of the innocent will stay. will stay forever.

[lilbit]

so what the deal? Don wanna stand up! Don stand up! It's country of freedom! Don wanna do anything, just sit and that's it. If you stood up, then you live under public oppinion. Don wanna prey, nobody forces you to do it. It's up to everybody. So . . .

[Prince]

Did i ask you not to PRAY or keep a minute silence before you go to class or church? NO! I did not! I Just said whatever i think about this situation! IT's funny for me! F@Cking politics!
Am i heartless? Maybe i am! I am selfish as well , maybe because i am the "only" one in my family! :?
Lets talk business ok?
lets say 200 people DIED 3 days ago IN IRAQ, HOW MANY PEOPLE KEPT A MINUTE SILENCE OR PRAYED FOR THEM!?
AND NOW WHY DA F@CK I HAVE TO PRAY FOR 32 PPL? WHY?
You go ahead and pray whoever you pray i dont know, whoever you want you pray ,
P.S please dont call me or my words SICK! It might be SICK for you , but not to everybody! :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :evil:

Lady: YOU ARE PROVING THAT ALL AMERICANS A HUMAN AND THE WORLD or 3rd World countrires ( IRaq, Afganistan, Iranians) ARE ANIMALS! BECAUSE YOU PRAY FOR HUMAN NOT FOR ANIMALS RIGHT? SO KEEP PRAYING FOR HUMANITY! AND IGNORE THE MUSLIMS OR THE REST WHO ARE DIEING EVERY DAY! :evil:

P.S Sizzi fikriz bilan mani fikrim togri kelishi shart emas , shunga JIM yururing dalshe iltimos! :(



Prince, your words show that you are just heartless, arrogant and selfish!!!

What is it to you to keep a minute of silence for innocent people who got shot?! Do you think all those students have anything to do with crazy government and their wars? So many of them weren't even americans! The government deserves all the curse for the things that are happening in Iraq and other countries! What does it have to do with 32 students who came to class thinking to get a knowledge and got shot?!

This just makes me sick. It is sad! No matter where people die whether it is America or Somali or Sudan! What is the point of arguing for who should you pray?! I would understand if they were asking you to make a donation, if it was something material. But this is spiritual, for god's sake. Is it so difficult to get your ass off the chair and spent one minute in silence? It is just a minute out of 24 hours a day. :evil:

[Prince]

Lose your money there in a week and come back to US again:)

Well , If you have Money + BRAIN , it's hard to believe that you gonna lose that money! , well if you DO lose you money than You are LOOSER!! sorry :)

P.S: Loximi ne stanovitsa imi rojdayutsa ,eto sudba - deb yururas itti keng oyogiga oxshab Amerikaga-Uzbekiston qilib :)

[corsair]

the shadow of the death from Iraq came to US for 3 hours...

why dont they report (every bloody 5 minuts) about Iraqis death as they did about those 33 in US???

[Black]

Here (http://islamonline.com/cgi-bin/news_service/middle_east_full_story.asp?service_id=13484) you can find out how americans value the others life.

[UzbekGirlie]

Sorry, but does it not seem to be a bit pathetic to make a big deal for 32 people yet say nothing about 650.000 dead in Iraq?
I dont understand how come some people value the life of one human over another depending on the nation?:rolleyes:

Probably more people die in a single day in Somalia, or in Eithiopia because of HIV or the lack of water resources or in a crazy tribal dispute. It's always in the news, but somewhere in the corner you hardly notice. Just because those people arent Americans...means it's ok:rolleyes:

Tell me what Bush says about at least 30-40dead in Iraq everyday. Anyone kept silent for them?

U are forgetting that 32 Americans mean a lot more to Americans that 650,000 Iraqis. This is a tragedy and young people died. Plus, I am sick and tired of people criticizing Americans for doing things or not doing things. Last time I checked each country cares more about its citizens and they are its prioity. So stop complaining. I lost friends at this tragedy and to me they mean more than the 650,000 Iraqis and i am glad that people are noticing this and mourning as these were innocent kids at school.

[Gareeb]

U are forgetting that 32 Americans mean a lot more to Americans that 650,000 Iraqis. This is a tragedy and young people died. Plus, I am sick and tired of people criticizing Americans for doing things or not doing things. Last time I checked each country cares more about its citizens and they are its prioity. So stop complaining. I lost friends at this tragedy and to me they mean more than the 650,000 Iraqis and i am glad that people are noticing this and mourning as these were innocent kids at school.


Ana shu o'lganlar ham sizdek o'ylasa unda battar bo'lishsin.

[himalay]

..
On: One thing I really feel sorry about it is that these students might become someone important, might have done useful things if not died. Among them it seems, there were very bright students and professors. And most of them were scientists and engeneers. what a loss!


Frida Kahlo,

That's what exactly Prince and Infolife are talking about. But in bigger numbers, not just 32! And 650 thousand people is not something you would compare with anything. It is historical tragedy, it is the act that'll historically be remembered.

[UzbekGirlie]

Ana shu o'lganlar ham sizdek o'ylasa unda battar bo'lishsin.

I am not sure what kind of person will wish such thing... You must have a horrible heart. You dont know what their parents and friends are going through... There is no bigger tragedy than a parent witnessing the death of their children. Posting such thing about a tragic event I am speechless. Dont make this tragedy about something else. These kids died and as a respect to their parents to not degrade this event. Have a heart.

[~Atirgul~]

I lost friends at this tragedy and to me they mean more than the 650,000 Iraqis and i am glad that people are noticing this and mourning as these were innocent kids at school.
Voy booo, hayolizda Iroq halqini genocid qivoripsizkuu:(

[himalay]

Voy booo, hayolizda Iroq halqini genocid qivoripsizkuu:(

Shunga o'xshayapdi shekilli, odam bunday paytda ehtirosga berilsa, hamma narsani aytib tashlashi mumkin. O'zi hech kim hech kimning hayotini bir-biriga qarshi qo'ymoqchi emasidi. Ammo 650 ming kishiga hurmat ko'rsatmaslik bu aqli qusurlikdan darak beradi.

[UzbekGirlie]

Lady: YOU ARE PROVING THAT ALL AMERICANS A HUMAN AND THE WORLD or 3rd World countrires ( IRaq, Afganistan, Iranians) ARE ANIMALS! BECAUSE YOU PRAY FOR HUMAN NOT FOR ANIMALS RIGHT? SO KEEP PRAYING FOR HUMANITY! AND IGNORE THE MUSLIMS OR THE REST WHO ARE DIEING EVERY DAY! :evil:


I think you are making this an issue it is not. These kids were Americans and to Americans their life matters more than Iraqis. It is their country and so if you dont mourn the death of your own citizens if it is one or 32 than why should you even care for any one else. Your logic makes no sense.... Dont make this tragedy about something else. These kids died and as a respect to their parents to not degrade this event. Have a heart. Also there was a Muslim girl that died in Tech and Americans are mourning her death too... Remember that.

[himalay]

I am not sure what kind of person will wish such thing... You must have a horrible heart. You dont know what their parents and friends are going through... There is no bigger tragedy than a parent witnessing the death of their children. Posting such thing about a tragic event I am speechless.

UzbekGirlie,

bu o'zingizning gapingizga nisbatan javob bo'ldi: tasavvur qiling, Gareebning ana shu 650 ming odam ichida yaqin kishisi bor edi - sizga 32 kishi shuncha og'ir botsa, boshqalarga minglab odamlar qanday ta'sir ko'rsatadi sizningcha?? O'zi hech kim hech kimning hayotini solishtirmoqchi emas edi, ammo o'zingiz "yorilib" qoldingiz bu masalada.

Gareeb,

tushunadigan odam bir gapdan tushunib oladi. Tushunmaydigan odam hech qachon tushunmaydi. Shunday ekan, qo'ying, bahslashmang bu masalada, sizdan iltimos. Siz bilan hamfikrlarga mana shu threadda yozilgan narsalar juda og'ir botadi. Urush, uning (asl) sabablarini bilgan odamga 650 ming kishining hayotiga nisbatan bunday hurmatiszlik juda og'ir botadi.

[UzbekGirlie]

UzbekGirlie,

bu o'zingizning gapingizga nisbatan javob bo'ldi: tasavvur qiling, Gareebning ana shu 650 ming odam ichida yaqin kishisi bor edi - sizga 32 kishi shuncha og'ir botsa, boshqalarga minglab odamlar qanday ta'sir ko'rsatadi sizningcha?? O'zi hech kim hech kimning hayotini solishtirmoqchi emas edi, ammo o'zingiz "yorilib" qoldingiz bu masalada.

Gareeb,

tushunadigan odam bir gapdan tushunib oladi. Tushunmaydigan odam hech qachon tushunmaydi. Shunday ekan, qo'ying, bahslashmang bu masalada, sizdan iltimos. Siz bilan hamfikrlarga mana shu threadda yozilgan narsalar juda og'ir botadi. Urush, uning (asl) sabablarini bilgan odamga 650 ming kishining hayotiga nisbatan bunday hurmatiszlik juda og'ir botadi.

I feel for him if he has lost people in Iraq. But this thread is about VA tech. Why are we comparing Iraq to Va tech. It is not the same. So it makes me mad when he disrespects and undermines the death of these kids. Iraq is unfortunate and sad and yes it needs the publicity. But remember this is US and when Americans die no matter what their death will take priority over any one elses. Its like if people in Uzbekistan died wouldn't you want to know more about them then Iraqis if you were an Uzbek living in Uzb. I think I would. Same here. Out of respect to these kids death and their families dont undermine their death.

[forex]

I think you are making this an issue it is not. These kids were Americans and to Americans their life matters more than Iraqis. It is their country and so if you dont mourn the death of your own citizens if it is one or 32 than why should you even care for any one else. Your logic makes no sense.... Dont make this tragedy about something else. These kids died and as a respect to their parents to not degrade this event. Have a heart. Also there was a Muslim girl that died in Tech and Americans are mourning her death too... Remember that.

You are the one whose logic makes no sense.By your rationale,people are supposed to mourn about their own citizens only?You claim that they were innocent kids,so were the kids bombed and killed in Iraq,Afghanistan and different other parts of the world where "the so called your citizens" are killing them.
No one is trying to degrade the event,it surely is a sad one,but before saying "have a heart" to somebody,get it for yourself.Be a citizen of humanity,not America.

[UzbekGirlie]

You are the one whose logic makes no sense.By your rationale,people are supposed to mourn about their own citizens only?You claim that they were innocent kids,so were the kids bombed and killed in Iraq,Afghanistan and different other parts of the world where "the so called your citizens" are killing them.
No one is trying to degrade the event,it surely is a sad one,but before saying "have a heart" to somebody,get it for yourself.Be a citizen of humanity,not America.

Americans death will take priority over any one elses in America and thats true to any country and their citizens. As far other people dying my heart feels for them and their death is reported. Every morning on my way to work while reading newspaper i see the numbers. No one is saying that in Iraq and Afghanistan things are not happening. But right now to this country the VA tech matter more. As far as having a heart I do. Every year we do a charity event for people in Afghanistan and now Iraq. I advocate strongly against the war and have been to the protests in DC. So lets not talk about that. To me comparing these events is not the same. I volunteer for numerous organizations like Women for Women who does work in Iraq. I also worked with BMENA and still do work for them that is working on Middle East. I wonder if any of the people who keep complaining and waiting for Americans to do something are doing anything to help these people. So lets not talk about not having heart.

[forex]

Americans death will take priority over any one elses in America and thats true to any country and their citizens. As far other people dying my heart feels for them and their death is reported. Every morning on my way to work while reading newspaper i see the numbers. No one is saying that in Iraq and Afghanistan things are not happening. But right now to this country the VA tech matter more. As far as having a heart I do. Every year we do a charity event for people in Afghanistan and now Iraq. I advocate strongly against the war and have been to the protests in DC. So lets not talk about that. To me comparing these events is not the same. I volunteer for numerous organizations like Women for Women who does work in Iraq. I also worked with BMENA and still do work for them that is working on Middle East. I wonder if any of the people who keep complaining and waiting for Americans to do something are doing anything to help these people. So lets not talk about not having heart.


Yeah yeah,why don't you put it all on your resume,I am sure it will look good on your extracurricular activities section.

[SmIlIk]

One should not be held liable for another human being's life. Unless he is the one to kill all those people. These are two different stories and there is no way they could be compared or put over each other. Those 32 people were brutally murdered, too.

How would you feel if someone told you that you cannot talk or remember people died in Andijan because so many people are suffering in Iraq? Let there be a chance to mourn everyone who died in hands of evil regardless of situation and place.

[UzbekGirlie]

Yeah yeah,why don't you put it all on your resume,I am sure it will look good on your extracurricular activities section.

Yeah... Thats your mentality... Trust me if it was about my resume I would not do half of the things I do. As politically they hurt me. But what would you understand. our mentality is to compain and complain. Why dont you be the change you want to see in the world. If you want things to happen than make sure you work hard to do it. I can not stand to see children suffering in violence and worked with UNICEF on projects Afghanistan, Sri Lanka and now Iraq - through school and now on my own. Thats the change i want to see and I am going to work to make it happen. If you want to see the end of war in Iraq have your voice heard. I know tons of people - including Americans- who are trying to see this happens. Unless you get off you ass and work for the cause that matters to you no one else will.

[SmIlIk]

Yeah... Thats your mentality... Trust me if it was about my resume I would not do half of the things I do. As politically they hurt me. But what would you understand. our mentality is to compain and complain. Why dont you be the change you want to see in the world. If you want things to happen than make sure you work hard to do it. I can not stand to see children suffering in violence and worked with UNICEF on projects Afghanistan, Sri Lanka and now Iraq - through school and now on my own. Thats the change i want to see and I am going to work to make it happen. If you want to see the end of war in Iraq have your voice heard. I know tons of people - including Americans- who are trying to see this happens. Unless you get off you ass and work for the cause that matters to you no one else will.

Malades! So, true...

[forex]

I lost friends at this tragedy and to me they mean more than the 650,000 Iraqis


Somehow you contradict yourself.First 32 people mean more than 650,000 and then you start working for UNICEF trying to save the lives of people.
You have a story for each case,looks like fiction to me.Do you just make up your stories as you go?
And I didn't complain,I was making comments on your posts so do not judge my mentality.

[UzbekGirlie]

Somehow you contradict yourself.First 32 people mean more than 650,000 and then you start working for UNICEF trying to save the lives of people.
You have a story for each case,looks like fiction to me.Do you just make up your stories as you go?
And I didn't complain,I was making comments on your posts so do not judge my mentality.

Nope. In this situation VA tech people mean a lot to me. Thats not to say that i dont care for everyone else who is suffering. You take things out o context. Sometimes arguing with people like is not worth it. I volunteer for a lot of organizations... So no it is not fiction. I live in DC it is easy to volunteer and do work for such organizations... My day is 8-5 at a jiob. 5-6 WFW, 6-7 Eurasia, 7-8 Dinner with frinds in DC, 8-9 Sport and Health- children against obesity program. Weekends I do volunteer work for UNICEF on different projects from home. I also do a lot of volunteering with YWCA, BMENA and Congress depending on need. So it is not fiction. No reason to lie. I just worked with my friends and we did a fundraising for St.Judes. So it is doable, just have to get of your ass and do it.

[Qizil-Gul]

Moderatorlar bu thread anyone from VT deb nomlanar ediku. Bo'tta o'rtoqlar urishib ketishipti, boshqa thread ochila VT haqida fikringiz digan.

[Unique]

Ana shu o'lganlar ham sizdek o'ylasa unda battar bo'lishsin.

Vay nega unaqa deysiz? Shu gapiz lekin o'zizga o'xshamapti.

Man o'zi o'ylab o'tiribman, o'sha karis bola kotta xato qilibdi deb. Depressiyada yoki ruhiy tushkunlikda yo kasal bo'sa o'zini otib tashasinidi..lekin u alamini o'ziga qo'shib boshqaladan olibdi.

I got to know that some Americans don't like to make big deal of such kind of events. And they come up with the same questions as some users mentioned above such as "What about dying ppl in Iraq?" and so far.

Anyway, peace with them!

PS. I'm forgetting Uzbek language :(

[lost]

hypocturicity
hypocripitucy

qanaqa yozilardi mashi so'z?

[inDecision]

Not to offend You guys, but I can't get what you are arguing about. The value is human life everywhere. Whether he is iraqi or american or uzbek. Why are they giving much attention ? Because it happened out of nothing, in the middle of the day, in the peaceful place. Many of you study/studied in a universities like VirTech and still cannot feel what people are feeling abt it!? Don't know you but i wouldn't prefer dying this way!
Is the only problem that mass-media doesn't devote that much attention to Iraqi war victims as it does for VirTech massacre? I think they are devoting enough attention for Iraq war too. But as FK said it is a war and it is obvious that many victims be there
but VirTech massacre is a social problem, serious social problem......

[Vezunchik]

Pomoemu est ochen bolshaya raznitsa mejdu etim sobi`tiem i Iraqom. mnogie useri` govaryat eta shojaya katastrofa. Dumayu sovsem net.

Etot koreyts prosta jertva toy je systemi`, i togo je obshestva kotoraya tak silna propogandiruyet Nosilie, beznravstvennost, v tom chisle svobodu deystviya. On bi`l svobodni`y chelovek i sdelal to chto hotel. Da ploho chto umerli 32 cheloveka, toje. No a chto nado bi`lo ojidat ot etoy strani` , gde 200 million pistoletov. Kogda ni bud etaje doljno sluchitsya.... ne 32 , to 1 ili 2 ili 10 chelovek doljni` bi`t jertvoy. Kak avtomobilni`e katastrofii, gde kajdi`y den nevinno umerayut ti`syacha lyudey. Za nih je ni kto ne stayot i ne derjit minuti` molchaniya.

a situatsiya s Irakom eta nastoyashiy koshmar. malo togo chto tam stolko lyudey umerlo, samoe ujasnoe eti ubiytsi` (US) esho imeyut naglosti OPRAVDOVAT ETA, i Obeshayut esho ubivat radi "DEmokratii". To est, etot genodtsid budet prodoljatsya.... i ni kto iz amerikantsev ne budet stoyat hot 1 sekundu radi nih.
I esho ujasno to chto, amerikantsi` , kotori`e govaryat "nado ostanovit Voynu" , oni ne jeleyut teh 650 000 , a oni boyatsya chto eti 3200 amerikanskih soldat budet esho bolshe. Oni boyatsya chto ih si`novey mohut ubit. i im naplevat skolko iraktsev eti "mamenkin si`nochki ubivayut i nasiluyut" . To est, kak budto eti 650 000 ti`syach ne lyudi...

Ya mogu skazat odno, pro teh kto tak pechetsya pro etih 32, chto oni Jertvi` MASS MEDIA. esli im po TV pokazi`vali bi` ne 32 a 2 , to ni chego ne izmenilos bi`, oni takje oplakivali bi`. eta power of TV (kotori`y bolshe dumayet o Programme svoem, a ne ob etih lyudyah).
No k sojeleniyu pro 650 000 TV ne pokazi`vayet , tochnee im ne dayut govarit ob etom. tak kak ih vina vsego lish oni Musulmanini.

vsyo ravno mne jal vsem im i 650 000 i 32. hotya 650 000 bolshe rovno na 650000/32 raza.

[infolife]

hypocturicity
hypocripitucy

qanaqa yozilardi mashi so'z?

hypocrisy


ps:lengthen yr message to at least 10characters degani uchun "ps" qoshib qoydim