Отказ!/Denied!

[UdachnicK]

Forum ahliga salomlar!
Bu thread'da US embassydan olingan otkazlar haqida fikrlar bildirilsa...

Qachon, nima sababdan viza qo'yilmagan.
Otkazning qanday turlari bo'ladi, va har birining ahamiyati qanday.
Maksimum qancha otkaz olsa bo'ladi.:lol:

shu haqida gaplashsak...

PS. faqatgina o'zingiz emas, balki yaqinlaringiz tajribalaridan yozib qoldirsangiz ham minnatdor bo'lardim

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Приветствую Всех арбузовцев!
Давайте здесь поговорим об отказах полученные посольством США

Когда и зачем получен отказ.
Какие отказы бывают, и что они из себя представляют.
Сколько раз максимум можно получить отказ. :lol:

ЗЫ. напишите плз, как свои, так и опыты близких

[Royal]

hmmmm.....

osonlikcha tushuntirip yoki sizga nima uchunotkaz olganligingiz haqida konsul hodimlari hech qachon hisobot berishmiydi...

sorashga urinmasayizam boladid...

lekin 4-5yil oldin bir otkaz uchun State Dep orqali tushuntirish hatini olganman va unda shuncha narsa yozilgandiki sochim tikka bogan, qarindoshimga shu gaplarni gapirdizmi desam: Yoq, gapirmadim deydi, lekin botta ancha muncha info larni yoziptiyu, ulada bu infolar siz etmasayiz keim etadi desam. bilmadim didi.

[UdachnicK]

visitor visa ga 3marta otkaz olgan tanishimiz bor
hammasida ham application received dib yozibergan
ruchkada qanaqadir belgilayam qo'ygan

yana kirsa bo'vurarmikin? yo 1-2yil pereriv qilishi kere bo'larmikin?

[Royal]

kirishi mumkin, lekin applicationda soragan joyi bor: qachon ohirgi gal kirgansiz va otkaz oganmisiz degan

[corsair]

its only british embassy gives so called The reason for refusal/ refusal letter... they have freedom of information ACT. I dont think american gringos has the same thing, i mean look at THE democracy they build in iraq...

[UzbekGirlie]

Under the new law Embassies and State Department are not required to give any sort of reasoning for denying the visa. Visa could be denied under generic reason if the council feels that the applicant will not come back after their visit. So unless the council is convinced of your sincerity they can simply deny it and mark it on the system. So every time you interview the note made under your name will come out and you will be denied visa while given pretentious reasons. A friend of mine that works at the embassy told me... He also added that they are not required or obliged to tell anyone why they have denied visa as it is under their discretion.

[UZBEK]

2001 yilda 1ta tanishim vremmeniy propiska uchun otkaz olganman deb yuradi ,Chunki nima uchun otkaz berdila deganda uzing yahshilab o'ylab ko'r deb javob olgan .O'ylab qarasa propiskasi vremmenniy bo'lgan.tagi'in kim bilsin balkim boshqa sababi ham bo'lgandir.

[KeSha]

Forum ahliga salomlar!
Bu thread'da US embassydan olingan otkazlar haqida fikrlar bildirilsa...

Qachon, nima sababdan viza qo'yilmagan.
Otkazning qanday turlari bo'ladi, va har birining ahamiyati qanday.
Maksimum qancha otkaz olsa bo'ladi.:lol:

shu haqida gaplashsak...

PS. faqatgina o'zingiz emas, balki yaqinlaringiz tajribalaridan yozib qoldirsangiz ham minnatdor bo'lardim

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Приветствую Всех арбузовцев!
Давайте здесь поговорим об отказах полученные посольством США

Когда и зачем получен отказ.
Какие отказы бывают, и что они из себя представляют.
Сколько раз максимум можно получить отказ. :lol:

ЗЫ. напишите плз, как свои, так и опыты близких
U menya ne bilo problem. Pokazal im svoi bankovskiy schet, pokazal bumagi s Univera kotorie prishli na domashniy adress po DHL i kak govoritsya good to go :D
Hotya mne sama konsulsha skazala you lucky boy. 'Couz you only one guy who get a VISA today. I was like oooh I appreciate that mam. Ya ponyal sidya v konsulstve 2 chasa i ponyal to chto ne nado boltat' izlishnoe i vse. Prosto da net i konkretno podgotovitsya.

[corsair]

visitor visa ga 3marta otkaz olgan tanishimiz bor
hammasida ham application received dib yozibergan
ruchkada qanaqadir belgilayam qo'ygan

yana kirsa bo'vurarmikin? yo 1-2yil pereriv qilishi kere bo'larmikin?

bir tanishim bor, birinchi marta kirganda studentman, ingiliz tilini urgangani ketvomman degan. how long are you planing to stay there? deb suraganda javob bera olmagan. 1-2 yil shu erda ingiliz tili ozgina urganib olgin, keyin amerikaga borasan deb eshikni kursatishgan...
ikkinchi marta, NY da tanishim bor, juda boy odam, manga taklifnoma yubordi deb kirgan. tanishing nima ish qiladi, borganingdan keyin qayerda turasan, nima uchun tanishing sani taklif qivotti degan savollarga javob bera olmagan.
ohirgi marta kirganida qandaydir muzikantlarga qushilib olgan edi, gitarachiman degan, kontcertga ketvomiz degan, amerikani katta shaharlarida kontcert beramiz, odamla bizani kutvotti, hamma biletlarimiz sotilib bulgan degan ekan. (tanishimni aytishicha visa officer kulaverib qizarib ketgan ekan). 2 ta shtamp quyib berishgan...

man bu qilmishlardan habarim yuq edi, ohirgi otkazini olganidan keyin aytib bergan edi, passportida uzbekistonda bor bulgan hamma elchihonalardan otkazi bor ekan, bunday odamlarni uzbekistondan tashqariga chiqarish mumkin emas, UYALTIRIB QUYISHADI :-D

[Googler]

Here is some useful info for prospective applicants why most people get nonimmigrant visa refusals. I think this info will be helpful to avoid mistakes once you apply for temporary visas :)

Types of refusals:

214(b)
The 214(b) Intending Immigrant Provision: Non-immigrant visa applicants in almost all categories must demonstrate to the Consular Officer’s satisfaction that they have strong ties to a permanent residence outside of the U.S. which would compel them to leave the U.S. upon the completion of their authorized stay. The Consular Officer evaluates the applicant’s economic, social and cultural ties to his/her residence in order to determine whether it is more probable that the applicant will return to India within the period of authorized stay in the U.S. or whether it is more likely that the applicant will remain in the U.S.

All application fees and service charges must be paid for each application.

Time, staffing levels and growing lines outside do not permit officers to take phone calls on behalf of visa applicants.

Effective October 1, 2003, candidates can apply in person as many times he/she wants. Consulates will not accept applications by postal mail anymore. (Earlier the rule was, if you are rejected twice in last 2 years, you have to submit application for third time by post only.)

You can not provide a bond saying that you will definitely return unless consular officer specifically asks for it. You can also not get a bond from the sponsor in US saying that he/she will make sure that you will return back before the entitled time.

Some ineligible applicants seek help from a "visa consultant". Be careful. If you do decide to hire a consultant, remember that you alone are responsible for the accuracy of the information in your application.

If you have been refused under INA Section 214(b), please indicate your previous refusals, with the dates, if you still remember them. The consular officer will review your application and inform you of the decision.

Consulate officers also look at several factors such as
Whether the applicant has good stable job or business in home country with good income and the nature of work.
Whether there are other relatives in home country such as children, grandchildren, spouse that they would come back for.
Whether the applicant has traveled to USA in past and if yes, how long he/she stayed. If the person extended the stay, it is must to carry the proof of previous extension approval (or rejection). Officer also looks at how much time the applicant spent in USA previously, and if the person applies too soon, the visa may be rejected. A person on visitor visa is going to USA just for tourism and you can't be staying in US most of the time.
How often the applicant's relatives in USA visit the family back in home country.Denial under this section is not permanent. If you think your circumstances have changed significantly since the last application or if you have new information that was not presented to the consulate officer previous time, you may apply again. And you can reapply any time after 3 business days after previous rejection. You don't have to wait for 6 months or longer. But it is very unlikely that your circumstances may change a lot in next 3 days.

Many people think that their visa interview was very short and the officer hardly looked at the documents and the visa was rejected which was very unfair. Well, consulate officer handle thousands of applications and they are very experienced. They can quickly figure out what questions they want to ask based on the overall application. They will only ask what they think is necessary to make the decision. Lot of information they are looking for is already there in the application form.

Sometimes, even if you bring all the documents that you can think of, visa can still be rejected. Consulate officer looks at overall situation and if that is not adequate to overcome the presumption of intending immigrant, visa still may be rejected.

Student Visa Applicants:

Some students are confused when, after presenting a Certificate of Eligibility for Nonimmigrant Student Status (I-20) from their chosen school in the U.S., they are ineligible for a student visa. Just as with visitors, Section 214(b) requires students to show that they intend to leave the U.S. after they finish their studies. An I-20 is one of several documents that allow you to apply for a student visa, but cannot guarantee your eligibility. Students may be ineligible if it appears that their primary purpose is not to obtain an education that will advance their life in India, but will facilitate an indefinite stay in the U.S. for themselves or their family.

221(g)
The 221(g) Ineligibility: If an applicant is refused under this section, it is because she/he is missing a document or some other piece of evidence which the Consular Officer needs in order to render a final decision on the applicant’s eligibility for the visa. Generally, the applicant will be told what types of documents might satisfy the Consular Officer. A new visa application form should be filled out; however, no new application fee is due for a period of one year following the initial 221(g) refusal.

If you have been refused a visa under Section 221(g) of the Immigration and Nationality Act (INA), you may reapply at any time. At the time of refusal, you will be told whether you can reapply using drop box facility, whether you have to come in person after making an appointment or you can apply in person without any appointment.

If you reapply in person, please bring your refusal letter with the 221(g) stamp to the Visa Section entrance and ask to re-apply.

If you are told to come in person without appointment, you have to just appear at the consulate in the morning. (Mumbai - 10:30 AM, Chennai before 9 AM on any working day from Monday-Wednesday, Kolkata - anytime in person). You don't have to fill DS-156 again. Old DS-156 supplied with original application would still be valid. You do not have to pay the application fees again if you reapply within one year of earlier rejection. Visa rejection under section 221(g) is not actually "rejection". It is visa ineligibility. It means the consular is unable to determine the outcome of the visa application at that time. The possible reasons are, missing documents or personal appearance required. You have to pick your passports at the consulate office the next day. This follows from the fact that the logistic fees paid at the time of application had been used for delivering the passports. They will not deliver the passports twice for the fees were paid. Also note that application center will not provide any service since you did not have an appointment. If you want service then you have to purchase tickets.

If you have been requested to wait until the Consulate contacts you, please do not make an appointment. Your case requires further administrative processing and the Consulate will contact you once this has been completed.

212(a)(6)(C)
The 212(a)(6)(C) Ineligibility: Applicants should be truthful in all areas of their visa applications. Applicants who willfully misrepresent material facts on their immigrant or non-immigrant visa applications can be found permanently ineligible to enter the U.S. If you present forged, counterfeit, or otherwise bogus documents, you are likely to fall under this provision of the law.

[Puzojitel']

Meni ho'jainim 1-marta denial olganidan keyin (J1-visa), 2-marta huddi o'sha DS-2019 bilan 1 oydan keyin kirgan. 2-marta kirganda visa olib chiqdi. Faqatgina 2-marta kirganida men US dan UZ ga qaytib kelganman, va meni passportimga "cancelled" deb stamp bosilgandan keyin unga visa berishgan :)
6 oydan keyin esa US embassyga J-2 bilan o'zim kirdim, niche, ne otkazali GOOD TO GO!!!! deyishdi :))

[Royal]

Under the new law Embassies and State Department are not required to give any sort of reasoning for denying the visa. Visa could be denied under generic reason if the council feels that the applicant will not come back after their visit. So unless the council is convinced of your sincerity they can simply deny it and mark it on the system. So every time you interview the note made under your name will come out and you will be denied visa while given pretentious reasons. A friend of mine that works at the embassy told me... He also added that they are not required or obliged to tell anyone why they have denied visa as it is under their discretion.

if asked properly they give full detailed interview process for the applicant for visa.

[UzbekGirlie]

if asked properly they give full detailed interview process for the applicant for visa.

not under the new law.... Or so I was told....

[UdachnicK]

who can explain these two marks?

[Lolahon]

who can explain these two marks?

Udachnik, mana bu linkda savolingizga tuliq javob yozilgan ingliz tilida.
http://korea.usembassy.gov/reasons.html

Ikki suz bilan aytganda, (g) harfi turganda siz etarlicha document yoki informatsia olib kelmagansiz visa olish uchun, (b) turganda esa siz yetarlicha consulni usha visa buyicha ketayotganingizni ishontira olmagansiz, masalan, B1/B2 topshirganizda, siz consulni qaytib kelishingizga uni ishontiraolmagansiz. albatta, bular umumiy sabablar, har bir topshiruvchini uzining sabablari buladi, lekin umuman 2 sabab konsulni ishontirish va documentlardagi kamchili va adekvatsizlik.

[Googler]

До недавнего времени, если человек обращался за американской визой и получал отказ, сотрудник посольства ставил ему на последнюю страницу паспорта специальный штамп "Application Received". Подобная практика использовалась в американских консульствах в течение 25 лет. В связи с повсеместным введением биометрического контроля необходимость в такой метке отпала и Госдепартамент США принял решение о прекращении использования штампа "Application Received". Теперь метить паспорт штампом визового отказа больше не будут.

[benderbey]

Но пока что посольство в Ташкенте всё еще ставит такие штампы. К тому же даёт всем одинаковую бумажку с разъяснениями ( в зависимости от причины).

[UdachnicK]

shu rasmga yana bitta sovol...
boshidan o'tganla bo'sa iltimos, o'rtoqlashiyla...

mashnaqa traynoy otkazladan keyin visa oganla bormi?
yana visaga kirish qanchalik realniy?

oldindan kotta rahmat

[Lolahon]

A u menya vot toje takaya situaciya.... protivopolojnaya.... 2 goda azad scheta, dokumenti na lchnoe vladenie kvartiroy i avtomobilem... Vot skoro budu podavat povtorno ( po istechenii 2 mesyacev), u kogo kakie misli po etomu povodu? Predlojeniya? Budu blagodarna! ;)

Prosto v Ameriku nado konkretno postupit', to yest' na degree Bachelor's, Master's ili PhD. Pochti mizerniy procent studentov yedut prosto na kursi, eto daje bespoleznaya trata vremeni dlya polucheniya student visa. Minimum postupayte na kakoy nibud' kollege gde mojete poluchit' Associate Degree, eto toje ne plohoy variant. Vam nujno podat' na uchyobu gde pri okanchaniye uchyobi vi poluchite diplom.
Na kursi daje yesli na krutoy universitet kak vi govorili podavali -- nomer toje ne proydyot. I plus ne zabud'te raskazat' o budushih planah za chto vam uchyoba i chto budete i kak budete ispolzovat' vashi znaniya posle vozrasheniya domoy, yesli udastsa vigovorit' konsulu. Eto mojet toje ubedit' o vashem vozvrashenii.

[Павел Владимиро]

Здравствуйте,
Многие получают отказы, только потому, что не подготовлены к интервью, если подают на гостевую, то нужно делать B1, это на много раз увеличивает шансы, для получения визы в Америку.

[Frida]

You have some old info here, forumers :) I just came back from Tash, and renewed my visa. They are not putting any horrible "denied or refused" stamps on your passport anymore. 5 people who had interviews before me got refused. Upon denial they were given an explanation in a piece of paper, and the stamp showing the date and some kind of number was placed on that paper. So now you can easily go to American Embassy without a fear that they spoil your passport. Your information, finger prints, etc still will be in their data base, only good thing is that you will have a 'clean' passport. so if you apply again, do not try to fraud as they will figure it out anyways. That is all. The explanation is provided in Russian and English, so that if you need to get your deposit back (which you paid, for example, to get your I-20) you can send that letter and receive your money without problem. You wont', however, be reimbursed the SEVIS fee you paid before applying for F-1 visa, which i am sure you know about. Good luck! Unfortunately I did not take any pictures of American Embassy there, those who did not see it would be surprised, it is huge and the security is quite tough :( Another psychological pressure for some people.

[Glance]

shu rasmga yana bitta sovol...
boshidan o'tganla bo'sa iltimos, o'rtoqlashiyla...

mashnaqa traynoy otkazladan keyin visa oganla bormi?
yana visaga kirish qanchalik realniy?

oldindan kotta rahmat

Dvoynoyidan oganlar bor :D: kamina. Realno, ushbu otkaz ogandan keyin situatsiya o'zgargan bo'sa. Otkaz yana olish uchun sabab bo'masa, ya'ni hamma narsa yahshi bo'lib, odam qolib ketmasligingiga consulni ishontira olsa, why not?! osa bo'ladi visa. Oldim man 2 marta otkazdan keyin.

PS. off: kimmi passprti bu? seriyasini bekitib qo'yganizzi qaren :)

[Mengli]

[QUOTE=Frida Kahlo;744535]You have some old info here, forumers :) I just came back from Tash, and renewed my visa.QUOTE]


Good to have you back! Welcome!:)

[UdachnicK]

PS. off: kimmi passprti bu? seriyasini bekitib qo'yganizzi qaren :)

info uchun rahmat

lekin shu uchunchisi halol digan gap to'rimi diymandee a? :D

passport seriasi kere bo'sa mana yozvorishim mumkin

CA 3043230423
sonlari ko'payipkettiyovv :lool:

[KeSha]

who can explain these two marks?
Номера файлов на отказ в личном архиве US Embassy in UZB.

[KeSha]

Meni ho'jainim 1-marta denial olganidan keyin (J1-visa), 2-marta huddi o'sha DS-2019 bilan 1 oydan keyin kirgan. 2-marta kirganda visa olib chiqdi. Faqatgina 2-marta kirganida men US dan UZ ga qaytib kelganman, va meni passportimga "cancelled" deb stamp bosilgandan keyin unga visa berishgan :)
6 oydan keyin esa US embassyga J-2 bilan o'zim kirdim, niche, ne otkazali GOOD TO GO!!!! deyishdi :))
Прям как в сказке

[KeSha]

[QUOTE=Frida Kahlo;744535]You have some old info here, forumers :) I just came back from Tash, and renewed my visa.QUOTE]


Good to have you back! Welcome!:)

If you just came back from Tashkent city, welcome back to US. Got some pictures from Tashkent?- If yes do a favour upload at forum.arbuz.com

[-Resident-]

shu rasmga yana bitta sovol...
boshidan o'tganla bo'sa iltimos, o'rtoqlashiyla...

mashnaqa traynoy otkazladan keyin visa oganla bormi?
yana visaga kirish qanchalik realniy?

oldindan kotta rahmat

Meni do`stlarimdan ikkitasi shunaqa 3 ta muhr olgan (har holda eng kami ikkita agar adashgan bo`lsam)elchihonadan lekin keyingi safar kirib olishgan visa faqat 7-8 oydan keyin kirishgan edi ohirgi marta!
Anavi belgilarga kelsak aniq nimaligini bilmaymanku lekin yana bitta tanishim denial olganida konsul pasportini qo`liga bergandan keyin o`sha tanishim bir nimalarnidir iltimos qilgan shunda konsul pasportini qaytarib olib o`sha belgini o`zgartirib pasportini qaytarib bergan va aytgan keyingi kirishingda 100$ to`lamay kiraverasan deb shu keyingi kirganida 100$ to`lamadi lekin visa ham ololmadi!

[I_Rock]

Yana bir boshdan o'tgan odam (akam) nomidan:
2 marta otkaz ogan; Language Coursega bormoqchi bo'lishgandi, lekin haqiqiy maqsad edi - qolish niyatida emas. Kelajak uchun degan maqsadda.
Bir odam (ayol kishi, akamning do'stini onasi :pissed:) aldab, 2-marta kir, man Elchihonadigi odamlani tanidigan kishila b-n gaplashdim, bo'ladi kirursin degandi. 2-marta yana otkaz - "b" belgili va soni ham bor edi oldida.
3 yildan keyin, ish joyidan J1 - visiting scholar bo'lib borib keldi. Lekin, J1 ga topshirganida, hammasini ochiq oydin yozgan - oldin otkaz olgani haqida. Pasporti esa endigina almashgandi 25 ga kirgani sababli i pochiniga Amriqoni visaside! :D

Uzr, ozgina orqaga qaytaman (voqea juda achinarli bo'gan): Akam do'stini onasiga ishonib shunaqa risk qigandi - pul hamda hujjatlani rosa kutgani keyin otkaz ogan asablari ham. Keyin, u kishi o'qish uchun olgan pulni o'ziga opqomoqchi bo'ganakan. I-20 keldi, bo'ldi hammasi yest' deb, man o'g'limmi o'rtolariga (akam va uning yana bir o'rtog'i) visa obermasam kimga oberi. Borib o'g'limmi oldida ozgina ishlab pul ham topib kelasila, harajatlarilani qoplidi va hk. Keyinroq bilib qolishgan u ayol aldaganini - unga hujjatlani qilishda yordam bergan yigit aytib berganakan.
Lekin, hozir u kishini o'g'li haliyam USda yuribti. Ismi - Abror, yahshi bola. Bilmadim u bu forumga kiradimi yo'qmi, hozir qaysi shtatda - bilmimiz. Boshida Pennsylvaniada edi. Lekin shu habarni bir o'qiganda edi u!!! O'zi haliyam bilmagan onasi shunaqa "muttahamligini". Do'stligini hurmati, akam hech narsa demagan. "Onasiga Allohdan qaytsin!" deb qo'yishdan boshqa chora qomagandi.:?

Hammaga o'z oldidagi maqsadlariga yetishishni tilab, ko'p yozvorganim uchun uzr. Abror o'qib qolar degan maqsadda yozdim, tog'risi.

[I_Rock]

Uzr, yana savollarizga qaytaman.
otkazdan keyin qanchada kirish mumkin degan savolizga: hech qanaqa ogranicheniye yo'q, lekin elchihonani qo'g'ozida yozilgan - "hayotizda qandaydir jiddiy ("nosalbiy" degan so'zni synonimini topomadim :uups:) o'zgarish, ya'ni uylanish, ish joyida o'sish, katta mulkga ega bo'lish - bular hammasi sizni Vatan bilan ijtimoiy-iqtisodiy bog'lab turadigan, sizni qaytishizga garantiya deganday narsalar.
Odamlani mish-mishida 3 yoki 6 oydan keyin degan "ustanovlenniy" srok yo'q. O'ylashimcha, 3 ~ 6 oylada inson hayotida o'zgarish bo'lishi mumkin degan fikr maqsadidadir.
Hozircha hayr!

[ULAUZ]

Salom hammaga,dostlar nasib bolsa visa olasiz,nega deganda yugurgandiki emas byrigandiki deyishadiyu,masalan men 2006 yangi yilga yaqin US embassyga kirdim J-1 ds 2019 bilan kirdim 1-soat otirdim,kordim,kuzatdim hullas dokumentlar birinchi orinda rol oynar ekan,lekin bir narsani organdim 1-soat ichida,dostlarim ham maslahat berishganday,kulib,konsulni koziga qarab,samimiy gapiring rostmi,lofmi ozizi yoqotmang,bir savolga javob berayotganda javobingizdan yana savol chiqmasin,konkretniy gapiring,spor holatlar bolmasin,visa olaman deb probivat qilayotganizzi bildirmang erkin gapiring,Usa ga borishdan maqsad nima desa visan gizdagi maqsadni birinchi aytib keyin USA USA DEYISHADI BIZ usa ni faqat movie larda korganmiz,borib oynab keladigan sharoit yoq,faqat shu J1 programmasi boyicha ketayotgan edim,shu menga good chance,a tak i have nothing deb aytding shu chancedan foydalanmoqchiman agar ruhsat bersanglar,a tak kutmagandim menga visa kelishini,deb ayting,yana bir narsa erkin titing ozizzi embassy da kop oylanmang,suvlaridan iching ,erkin aylangiz kelsa kichik radiusda aylaning birdam,ozingizni erkin tutadigan kiyimda kiring,kostyum-pidjak ,galstuk zarilmas,kulib-kulib gapiring marra sizniki.
men USA ga kelgandan keyin hostim 4 ta bolaga placement jonatdirgizdi programmadan,lekin ular olisholmadi,bilmadim nimaga,lekin bir hil DS EDI MENIKI ohshash,ulardan 3-tasiga 2 martadan Fedex da programma DS jonatdi kimdir familiyani,yana kimdir tugilgan yilini notugri jonatgan USA ga,uzbekmizda shoshilishda bolaveradi jonat tez-tez doc.larimni deb jonatvorishgan,oddiy narsa deymizzu lekin shu oddiy narsalarda ish kop.
Embassyga kirishdan oldin nima bolarkin deb oylanavermang,intervyuda oziz confuse sozdavat qilib qoyasiz,anyway omad hammelarga,kelinglar,koringlar USA NI,LEKIN SIZLAR TASAVVUR QILGANDAQA EMAS BU ER BUTUNLAY BOSHQACHA,YANA BILMADIM,BIRINCHI MARTA KELGANLAR BIR ESLAB KORINGLAR,lekin konkretniy ish organasiz hudo hohlasa,bu erda bu erda nomiga ish qilish yoq,men mana 8-oy ichida 12 statda boldim programmam boyicha,hamma joy oziga yarasha,yana bir gap: Gapgan topingizni qarangungu deyatgondirsiz,endi bir ilhom kep qoldida.
Ishlarga omad.
Lekin Embassy da bunaqa kop gapirmang,soraganiga konkret javob&thats all.

[munisa]

raka toping, ULAUZ :), garchi mambu jumlangizga qo'shilmagan bo'lsam ham:

hullas dokumentlar birinchi orinda rol oynar ekan

undan keyin aytgan gaplarizga ham mos kelmaydi :) va ularga 100% qo'shilaman.

[Queen]

Thought this might be helpful to some students who are inviting their parents/close ones not for graduation ceremony:

My Mom entered embassy three years ago. Got refusal, because "she did not convince them of having something that would make her come back". Well she had other kids and husband there , but whatever :rolleyes:.
Then she entered to embassy this summer and got her second refusal. I don't even know can I call it refusal or not, as it was not in passport but just on the papers she brought with herself, but point she did not get the visa. After two-three months she entered again. And got the visitor's visa. The only difference this time, I wrote a letter to the ambassador. My message to them was, "You are not understanding my situation. Why the hell you are not giving visa to my MOm?" but in very nicer form. She provided them with I-20, letter from my international student advisor, my official transcripts addressed to the embassy, and my personal letter. They took her passport and then for two weeks, they checked something. I don't know why it took them so long, but they told us they are assuring with the school. Then they gave visa for three months :D.

[rosefire]

Congratulations Queen, I am really happy for u:D
when the first time she applied, didn't she have those papers (like letter form ur uni, invitaion letters, letter from ur advisor, etc)?
when she got refusal, did ambassador gave clear cut reason why he/she decided not to give her a visa?

Good thing, she got it this time.Thought this might be helpful to some students who are inviting their parents/close ones not for graduation ceremony:

My Mom entered embassy three years ago. Got refusal, because "she did not convince them of having something that would make her come back". Well she had other kids and husband there , but whatever :rolleyes:.
Then she entered to embassy this summer and got her second refusal. I don't even know can I call it refusal or not, as it was not in passport but just on the papers she brought with herself, but point she did not get the visa. After two-three months she entered again. And got the visitor's visa. The only difference this time, I wrote a letter to the embassador. My message to them was, "You are not understanding my situation. Why the hell you are not giving visa to my MOm?" but in very nicer form. She provided them with I-20, letter from my international student advisor, my official transcripts addressed to the embassy, and my personal letter. They took her passport and then for two weeks, they checked something. I don't know why it took them so long, but they told us they are assuring with the school. Then they gave visa for three months :D.

[rosefire]

Savol:
http://www.usembassy.uz/home/index.aspx?&=&mid=197&lid=1&overview=484 DS-157 formning 18-savoliga "DA" deb javob bersa, umuman hamma informationni berishi shartmi? Yoki, qaysi reysda kelishidan tortib, boradigan shtatigacha flight info va datelarigacha berish keremi? NY gacha flight infoni bersa shuni ozi yetarli bomasmikan, nima deb oylesizlar?
thanks:D

[Queen]

Congratulations Queen, I am really happy for u:D
when the first time she applied, didn't she have those papers (like letter form ur uni, invitaion letters, letter from ur advisor, etc)?
when she got refusal, did ambassador gave clear cut reason why he/she decided not to give her a visa?

Good thing, she got it this time.

Thanx, I am very happy too :) .
First time she applied, we were so confident she will get it :) and if I remember correctly, she entered only with my I-20.
second time she entered, ambassador said that my transcripts show that I graduated, I indeed did. But after I graduation, I was taking other classes in that same college and he kept repeating "She graduated. ....She graduated" He didn't have enough common sense just to look at my transcripts.

[rosefire]

before they used to give visitors visa for at least 6 month, right? when did they change this and why? is there anyways to extend this 3 month while the visa holder is in the states or the visa holder has to go back as soon as visa expires?so they gave her 3-month? is it possible to extend? actually how about getting 4 year visa?

[munisa]

1. Ambassador never deals with interviewing and/or issuing visas, its the Consul who does it.

2. It has been the same since long ago - visitor visas are issued from 3 months up to 10 years depending on circumstances.

3. No, the extension of a visa is not possible, but the extension of the stay duration is. Which requires a) the valid passport covering the to be extended period b) valid visa to cover the to be extended period. There are other requirements as well.

[Queen]

so they gave her 3-month? is it possible to extend? actually how about getting 4 year visa?

yeah for 3 months. But when she entered to US, in airport they allowed her to stay for 6 months by stamping on her I-94 card. I don't know about getting the 4 year visa, but also highly interested in knowing :) I think it was just in the past easy to get 4 year one.

[munisa]

hmm, I guess it does not require the valid visa to cover the extended period. only now its coming back to me....That is why Queens' mom was able to get longer duration of stay..They just extended that right in the port of entry

[Frida]

it's better if they go back and reapply for a visa.;) But still there is no gurantee that they will get it again.

a friend of mine invited his parents like 3 years ago and they got 4-year visa. Now I heard they renewed it for four more years. Some people get lucky, I guess.


non-immigrant visas are not issued for more than 12 month, that is a new rule in american embassy in uzbekistan. they are reflecting on the number of visas that uzb. consulate issues for american citizens, and it is very veru low. so.... once uzb. consul starts issuing more and longer visas for americans, american council will do the same. it is a simple and normal "dimplomacy" stuff i guess. my status is valid till 2012 in US, however when I went to renew my visa at american embassy in tashkent in May, i was told so and got a visa which is valid only for one year. which sucks, if i want to travel somewhere outside of canada and latin america, but i am not plannig to, so i guess it is ok. :D

as for not putting refusal stamp on your passport that is true. you just get a paper saying you were refused. but do not even try to lie if you are there again, with new passport. they have your finger prints if this comes up and you lied in your application saying you never been refused, you'll be in deep shit.

if you are inviting your parents, it is better over-prepare your documents than being sorry afterwards. get everything they need to show. consuls are not stupid, there are hundreds of parents who come to US and start working. so -- do persuade them that they are not going to do that and go back. get some papers showing that your mom/dad have a business/job etc. tell your parents that they need to say that they have parents who are old, and obviously they cannot stay in US forever but come back and take care of the family and older mother/father.

[melo]

they are reflecting on the number of visas that uzb. consulate issues for american citizens, and it is very veru low. so.... once uzb. consul starts issuing more and longer visas for americans, american council will do the same.

Yeah, what is that all about??? :? So they will start only issuing Uzbek citizens 2 week visas? That might make it hard to study at a University. :lool:

[Frida]

Yeah, what is that all about??? :? So they will start only issuing Uzbek citizens 2 week visas? That might make it hard to study at a University. :lool:

if they could they probably would :D. but i think F-1 and J-1 visas are for 12 month, all others are for 1, 3 or 6 month. i don't think american consulate issues any "i am gonna go and see Niagara waterfalls" type of tourist visas for Uzbeks. only visiting, guest, student, fiance and scholar visas. whereas uzbek consulate can issue 2 week :lool: visas cause in application most americans apply for tourist visa. wouldn't it just suck to pay around $3000 and get a 2 week visa only. Jahshemesh! :lool: i would go to Kazakhstan.

[Frida]

I dont have grandparents:).

Isnt enough that I havent been home for 2 years and Im inviting them for my graduation? I will make sure that my papers are in place, I myself helped out two guys to do that. but we will see. When do you think is good to go to the interview with council if they are planning to come in december.

No it is not enough, and you know why. There are hundreds of parents who come to "visit" and then violate the immigration laws by staying longer and working illegally.

The second thing is: I don't know about both parents. My cousins' parents applied, but only my aunt got the visa. The problem was that, both of my cousins study here in US. So if both parents would have come, there won't be anything that would make them go back to Uzbekistan. One more thing, my uncle (oyimni tog'alarining o'g'li -- lekin baribir tog'a deymiz va yon qo'shnimiz, tog'adan ham yaqinroq) -- both his parents passed away, he was only son and practically do not have anyone but his children and wife. On the other hand his wife has old parents. So go figure.....

However, your situation might be different, you might have siblings for who you parents are responsible and there is a great chance that they would go back. In any case, make sure they get all their paper work straight. Would be good if they show that they are planning to visit your graduation, travel a little and then come back as their work starts certain date -- and they are going to see you during their "otpusk". It might be that consul will give them a visa only for 1 month, but even that is better than nothing, right?
If your parents have private business -- doesn't matter what, even growing tomatoes (actually this version is the best, cause except this business nothing really working in Uzbekistan, so might be more believable) -- tell them prepare the paper-work. Make sure that they show a strong tie to home. Also, apart from your graduation paper, if you get OPT, send those papers along. So that consul sees that you are not going to be out of status, or you have further plans.

if you have a mentor/advisor -- just in case ask him/her write a short letter, saying that you study here, and you get scholarships, that you are great person :D every time i go home, i get one of those letters, just in case.

if i remember anything else i will write.

[melo]

:lool: i would go to Kazakhstan.

And what exactly would you do in Kazakhstan for 3 months? :shock: I could find open boring fields near my house here. :lol:

[Frida]

Thank you so much, Frida! A very detailed answer. ;) especially with this part, I agree 100%:D
so what do you think is the best time to enter the embassy if they wanna come in december?
I just didnt get one thing from your story about your uncle. If you dont tell them yourself, how the hell they know that somebody's parents passed away, only son etc. Thanks!


graduationingizda 1 hafta oldin kirsa bo'ladigan kunni qo'yib beradi. ya'ni bitiruv 15 dekabrda bo'lsa, ota onangiz 8 dekabrda USga kirishi mumkin. menimcha shunaqa. siz qog'ozlaringizni noyabr ikkinchi yarmidan qoldirmang lekin. noyabrlarda yuborsangiz, ular telefon qilib qabulga yoziladigan kunligi bilan USga keladigan kuning orasida har ehtiyotdan 1 oy bo'lsin. chunki ochered' katta bo'lsa, qabulga yozdirish 1-2 haftaga cho'zilishi mumkin. tem bolee sizning ota-onangiz visitor bo'lib kelishyapti. studentlarga 1 haftani ichida qo'yib beradi.

buva-buvisi haqida -- posol so'ragan tog'am bilan kenayimdan. kenoyim biddillab -- u menya otec, mat' undo mundoq deb tashlagan. lekin tog'am ja kamgap, ota-onang bormi desa, yo'q deganlar. qarasa ikkala bolasi amerikada xotini bilan o'zi ham ketyapti. tog'amga keyin bermadi. kenayim mana uje ikki yilda beri borib kelib yuribdi. endi hozir o'ylab turishibdi, kenayomni vizasi tugagandan keyin tog'am kirarmish, endi teskarisi bo'larkan, tog'am xotinim shetta -- endi man bollarimni ko'rib kelmoqchiman der ekan.

endi tushudingizmi? er-xotinning ikkalasiga berib yuborishi ja katta savol. bittasiga berib -- ikkinchisini birinchisi kelishiga kafolat qilib bermasligi ham mumkin. ikkalasini orasidan onani tanlashida kattaroq shans bor.

[Frida]

And what exactly would you do in Kazakhstan for 3 months? :shock: I could find open boring fields near my house here. :lol:

yaxshemesh... melo, ne tormozi....:D it was just a joke... or an attempt to one anyway :lol:.

[ULAUZ]

Well,Frida you remind me about Niagara waterfall,I have been over there about couple month ago,you know it was sooooo awesome...

[ULAUZ]

Munisa,nima bolganda ham doc.larni normalniy korinishda bolishini hisobga olib aytgandim yuqoridagi gaplarni yana bilmadim,keyingi bollarga prog. DS jonatganda ularga elchihonada sizlar borib truck minarkansizlar lekin bizadagi trucklar b-n bu erdagi trucklarni ancha farqi bor silargamas bu degan,keyin qandaydir contrakt soraganlar,uni ustiga CDL BORMI DEB HAM SORAGAN EKAN,bilmadim buni qanaqa tushunsa boladi u bollar menga ohshab US ga birinchi marta kelayotgan bolsa CDL ularda qattan bolsin.
Meni hostim pochti UZB.ga tel qilib,keladigan bollar bilan gaplashib $ 400-500 sarfladi lekin foydasi bolmadi,lekin Congressdagi mahalliy vakil ham Embassyga hat jonatgandagina u bollarni ishini ijobiy hal qilib beramiz deyishdi embassydagilar,bu vaqtga kelib juda kech bolgandi,chunki ular 2 martadan consulatga kirib chiqishgandi.Ikkinchi marta u bollar kirb chiqqandan keyin men va hostim tel orqali yana gaplashdik,ulardan 2 tasini akasi US DA EKAN 3 YILDAN BERI,shunga bermagandir deb aytsam u togrisida hech narsa soramadi deb aytishdi,vaholanki bu togrisida DS formalarni togizganda bola chaqasi bilan akam US da deb yozib otganmiz deyishdi,WHAT WAS WRONG,i DONT KNOW,
CDL masalasiga kelsak written va driving testga 20-25 kun tayyorlandim okolo 120 savol tushdi,tushunmagan savolimga chaqirib hijolat bolmasdan examinator mem dan soradim u chizib,qoli bilan korsatib menga tishuntirdi,bez problem 100-105 tacha savolni qalpoq qilib kiygizib yubordim,osh kuni otdim,4 kundan keyin driving testdan otdim hammasi zor boldi,bilmadim yol harakati qoidalarini yahshi bilganim yordam berdi shekilli ,englishim zor bolmasayam,hozir esa double-triple ni topshirmoqchiman.

[ULAUZ]

Yana bir gap vatandoshlar hostim Hungary,South Afrikaga ham osha paytda placement jonatgan u erda ham qandaydir only otkazlar bolgan,lekin oldingi yillarda u osha joylardan odamlarni hired qilgan ekan,bu yil esa voobshe boshqaca around the world, I guess,kerak bolsa 1 yilda 10 ta odamni chaqiraman,lekin lekin bu goverment nimaga menga ruhsat bermayapti bilmadim,vaholanki hamma tax larni oz vaqtida tolayman ku dedi,endi esa aroUnd the US ODAMLARNI CHAQIRIB ISHLATYAPTI.

[rosefire]

hostiz embassyga ham tel qib korganmi? boladimikina shu embassyga tel qilib nimaga shunde qaror qilganini sorab korish.

Congressdagi mahalliy vakil embassyga hat jonatdi debsiz? shu haqda koproq aytib oting, program boyicha kelishayotgani uchungina hat jonatishdimi? yoki ozilar hat jonat deb murojaat qildilarmi?
Munisa,nima bolganda ham doc.larni normalniy korinishda bolishini hisobga olib aytgandim yuqoridagi gaplarni yana bilmadim,keyingi bollarga prog. DS jonatganda ularga elchihonada sizlar borib truck minarkansizlar lekin bizadagi trucklar b-n bu erdagi trucklarni ancha farqi bor silargamas bu degan,keyin qandaydir contrakt soraganlar,uni ustiga CDL BORMI DEB HAM SORAGAN EKAN,bilmadim buni qanaqa tushunsa boladi u bollar menga ohshab US ga birinchi marta kelayotgan bolsa CDL ularda qattan bolsin.
Meni hostim pochti UZB.ga tel qilib,keladigan bollar bilan gaplashib $ 400-500 sarfladi lekin foydasi bolmadi,lekin Congressdagi mahalliy vakil ham Embassyga hat jonatgandagina u bollarni ishini ijobiy hal qilib beramiz deyishdi embassydagilar,bu vaqtga kelib juda kech bolgandi,chunki ular 2 martadan consulatga kirib chiqishgandi.Ikkinchi marta u bollar kirb chiqqandan keyin men va hostim tel orqali yana gaplashdik,ulardan 2 tasini akasi US DA EKAN 3 YILDAN BERI,shunga bermagandir deb aytsam u togrisida hech narsa soramadi deb aytishdi,vaholanki bu togrisida DS formalarni togizganda bola chaqasi bilan akam US da deb yozib otganmiz deyishdi,WHAT WAS WRONG,i DONT KNOW,
CDL masalasiga kelsak written va driving testga 20-25 kun tayyorlandim okolo 120 savol tushdi,tushunmagan savolimga chaqirib hijolat bolmasdan examinator mem dan soradim u chizib,qoli bilan korsatib menga tishuntirdi,bez problem 100-105 tacha savolni qalpoq qilib kiygizib yubordim,osh kuni otdim,4 kundan keyin driving testdan otdim hammasi zor boldi,bilmadim yol harakati qoidalarini yahshi bilganim yordam berdi shekilli ,englishim zor bolmasayam,hozir esa double-triple ni topshirmoqchiman.

[ULAUZ]

Men sizga aytsam mahalliy vakilga biz boshqa davlatlardan yoshlarni chaqirsak,hamma narsa bilan taminlasak,hamma equipmentlarimiz free bolsa,ular oz davlatiga biror foyda bilan borsa buni nimasi yomon degan shunda congressdagi vakil hat bjonatgan bolishi k-k,tel togrisida,ular 2 marta embassyga qongiroq qilishgan hamma sharoitlarga kafolat berishgan,ularni CDL ga tez kunlarda oqitib song Harvestga chiqib ketamiz desayam qanaqadir shubha qilishganmi visa berishmagan,ohiri hostim kop qongiroq qiaversam meni investigate qilshlari mumkin daje uyimni atrofiga ham odam qoyishlari mumkin deb mahalliy vakilga murojaat qilishgan,men hayron boldim men nima sababdan shu savolimga yuqoridagi javoblarni olganimdan,a tak bilmadim...

[rosefire]

tushunishimcha hostiz u bollarni world farmers exchange ga ohshash programma orqali ob kelishga harakat qilganmi? yoki shunchaki taklif qilganmi? qaysi visaga topshirishgan? J1, B2 or which visa type? uzr shu joylariga tushunmadim, balki avvalgi postlarizda aytib otgandirsiz lekin men hozir topa olmadim, togrisi hamma postlarizi korib chiqmadim
javobiz uchun rahmat:)

Men sizga aytsam mahalliy vakilga biz boshqa davlatlardan yoshlarni chaqirsak,hamma narsa bilan taminlasak,hamma equipmentlarimiz free bolsa,ular oz davlatiga biror foyda bilan borsa buni nimasi yomon degan shunda congressdagi vakil hat bjonatgan bolishi k-k,tel togrisida,ular 2 marta embassyga qongiroq qilishgan hamma sharoitlarga kafolat berishgan,ularni CDL ga tez kunlarda oqitib song Harvestga chiqib ketamiz desayam qanaqadir shubha qilishganmi visa berishmagan,ohiri hostim kop qongiroq qiaversam meni investigate qilshlari mumkin daje uyimni atrofiga ham odam qoyishlari mumkin deb mahalliy vakilga murojaat qilishgan,men hayron boldim men nima sababdan shu savolimga yuqoridagi javoblarni olganimdan,a tak bilmadim...

[ULAUZ]

Yana bir gap 2001 da Germany ga 1 oyga visa olganman 3 oy ichida 3 marta kirib,a tak 6 oyga visa berishlarini talab qilganmiz,hamma kafolatlarni korsatganmiz,osha vaqtda 4 ta dostim bilan apply qilgandik bitta menga berishgan business tripga deb,chunki Germondagi sponsor tel qilurib embassydagilarni telefonini buzvorgan,men esa qolim dagi visa bilan,23 kun kutdim dostlarimni visa olishlarini,7-8 kun qolganda german qaydasan deb ketganman,visani chozdira olmay 8 kun oynab kelganman,shu nelegal bolmay deb orqaga qaytganman men kalla,lekin afsus qilmayman shu 8 kun 8 yildaqa otgan,bunaqa gozal joylarni umrimda kormaganman,Germon boshqa masalayu lekin bu ham bir expi. bolgandi.

[ULAUZ]

Siz aytgan prog boyicha edi,lekin usha bollarni otkazigacha bolgan davrda,progg orqali otkaz olganlarni eshitmagandim,boshqa chet ellik bollarni masalasiga kelsak,ularga H2A togrilashgan,ular oldin shu prog boyicha kelib ozlarini davlatiga qaytib ketishgan muddat tugaganda,lekin ular ham olisholmagan.
Meni bilishimcha bu prog orqali kelib Visa statusini ozgartirganlar,illegalga chiqib ketganlar kopayib ketgandir,masalan men bilan birga ishlaydigan moldovalik bola bor u progni tugatib 6 oy h2a olib boshqa joyda ishlab kelib,endi esa volontir deb yana 6 oy,6oy qilib US da yuribdi,meni hostim volontir qilsam doc lar yahshi bolyapti goverment bilan deb aytdi.Around the US bunaqa "volontirlar" ham ozmasdir,WFE PROGNI 1 YILDA 300 tacha oringa limiti borligini shu erda eshitdim,ishlataman degan employee lar kop lekin prog har doim ham ularga tahlanib yotgan applikantlarni mana olinglar deb berishmas ekan,shu joyiga tushunmadim chunki haligi 4 ta bola otkaz bolgandan keyin,progdan bosh qa appl.ololmadi meni hostim,WFE bilan boshqa aloqa qilganim bolsin dedi.

[ULAUZ]

Vatandoslar yoqolib ketsam uzr,hatlasha olmasak,a tak 2-3 kundan keyin ish boshlanadi,har kuni hurry up-up-up,2-3 oy tinim yoq netga otirgani tugul uhlashga ham ham oz boladi,USA ekanda bu er boshqa bissneslar qanaqa ekan bu erda bilmadimu bizzi ish Harvest degan bir mahluq ekan a tak I m happy,because I am still learning,developing my english & Iwonna keep moving forward,uncha muncha hatolarim bolsa yozvorsanglar ham hafa bolmayman chunki sizlardan ham organaman,men hostlarim bilan kulishib my english is Uzbek english deb kuldiraman,bizni ishda English juda zarur ekan chunki doim kochadamiz,aloqa qilib turish crew bilan juda zarur ekan,nima bolganda ham harakat qilyapman,ozgarish bolyapti kundan kun,meni crewimda 20 ta repetitorim bor English uchun,hammasi yahshi insonlar,bunaqa repetitorlarni qaerdan topaman(buni ustiga free).