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infolife
05-18-2007, 05:30 AM
http://news. bbc.co.uk/ 1/hi/business/ 6653175.stm
Some of the UK's best-selling chocolate bars, such as Mars and Twix, will no longer be suitable for vegetarians.
Also affecting brands such as Snickers and Maltesers, owner Masterfoods said it had started to use animal product rennet to make its chocolate products. Masterfoods said the change was due to it switching the sourcing of its ingredients and the admission was a "principled decision" on its part. The Vegetarian Society said the company's move was "incomprehensible".
'Extremely disappointed' Masterfoods said it had started using rennet from 1 May and non-affected products had a "best before date" up to 1 October. Rennet, a chemical sourced from calves' stomachs, is used in the production of whey. It will now also be found in Bounty, Minstrels and Milky Way products, and the ice cream versions of all Masterfoods' bars.
"If the customer is an extremely strict vegetarian, then we are sorry the products are no longer suitable, but a less strict vegetarian should enjoy our chocolate," said Paul Goalby, corporate affairs manager for Masterfoods. The Vegetarian Society said it was "extremely disappointed". "At a time when more and more consumers are concerned about the provenance of their food, Masterfoods' decision to use non-vegetarian whey is a backward step," it said in a statement.

Fatwa according to Hanafis:

http://www.gmwa. org.uk/foodguide 2/index.php? page=viewquestio n&id=20

Read the following article carefully taken from the Muslim Food Guide by Mufti Yusuf Please be advised that this is the view according to the Hanaafi Madh-hab:Rennet is an enzyme used in the food industry for the preparation of cheese by curdling milk. Rennet extracted from the stomach of a calf or animal whose meat is Halaal (lawful) after slaughtering in accordance with Islamic Thabh is unanimously Halaal (permissible) for consumption. If the above mentioned animals were not slaughtered in accordance with Islamic law then the Honourable Saahibayn of the Hanafi Legal School, Imam Abu Yusuf and Imam Muhammad, hold the view that the rennet itself is Halaal but its consumption would be Haraam (unlawful) because of its contamination with impure moisture etc. found in the stomach of the animal. According to them, rennet is fluid or viscous [running] and because of the penetration and saturation of impure moisture it would be impossible to purify it, therefore such rennet would remain Haraam.

However, Imaam Abu Hanifah does not regard the moisture found in the stomach of the above mentioned animals to be impure. Therefore the rennet obtained from them is Halaal, according to him.
The permissibility of rennet, therefore, is not really dependent on the slaughterer being Muslim or non-Muslim but upon whether there is life in rennet or not, and whether it absorbs the impurities found in the stomach of a newly born slaughtered calf. This is the outcome of the difference between Imaam Abu Hanifah and his two students, the Saahibayn,
Because of this difference in the opinion of the school, the Fatwa (legal opinion) allows a person to consume rennet (in the form of cheese etc.). Whilst Taqwa (piety) desires abstinence.
Allah Knows Best.

Further clarification and authentification.
1) In a commentary of the hadith text, Mishqatul Masaabeeh, by the famous Hanafi, scholar, Ali Qaari, Mirqaat, volume 8, page 193, is mentioned in the Kitaabul A’timah, Fasl Thaani.
Ibn Umar, radhiallahu anhu, narrates that our Rasul, sallallahu alayhi wasallam, was given a piece of Jubnah [Cheese] in Tabuk; he called for a knife, praying the tasmiyya he cut it [and ate it] narrated by Abu Dawud.
In the commentary, is mentioned; in this is proof of the purity of anfahah, because if it was impure then the cheese itself would be impure for it cannot be made without it [anfahah].
Again In this commentary in volume 2, page 79/80 is mentioned, in Bab Mash alal Khufayn, Fasl Awwal.
Tabraani narrates with a good sanad, although Ghareeb, that in one of the ghazawah, cheese was brought to Nabi sallallahu alayhi wasallam; He asked where it was made? Someone replied in Persia or in the lands of the Majus. Place the knife on it [cut it] and eat it. Someone said; O Rasulullah, we fear it may be carrion [Maitah]. He replied pray the tasmiyyah and eat it. Tirmidhi has mentioned a hadith wherein the Prophet was given a pair of leather socks and he wore them, without knowing whether they were pure or not. In the hadith of Salmaan, our Rasul was questioned regarding Jubn [cheese], Simn [clarifed butter] and Faraa’e [leather] together with the fact that it was taken from the lands of the Majus. It was mentioned to Umar regarding Jubn [cheese] and said to him that the rennet of dead animals are put in it [cheese]. He replied pray the tasmiyyah and eat it. Imam Ahmad mentions that this is the most sound hadith regarding cheese manufactured by Majus.
From the above commentaries it is evident that if rennet is derived from an animal that is permissible to eat, despite how it is slaughtered, it is Halaal to eat such cheese, despite the method used in the making of cheese.The rennet formed by the milk drunk by a newly born calf, which is then slaughtered and taken from its stomach is somewhat solid and has the effect of solidifying liquid milk and transforming it into cheese. Its permissibility though seemingly irrational because what is within the womb and stomach is under the law of impurity but the permissibility of cheese is established by Nass [Sharii proof] and agreed, therefore rennet is pure and permissible Fatwa Mazahir Ulum Volume 1 page 110.
2) Mufti Taqi’ Uthmaani, mentions that the ruling of Hadhraat Saahibayn is more cautious whilst that of Imaam Abu Hanifah is extensive or accommodating. If a pious person refrains it is better, whilst if a person is consuming cheese do not stop him. However, the rennet derived from the stomach of a pig is Haraam and Impure, provided its original property and chemical makeup does not undergo any drastic change.
Vegetarian or synthetic rennet, if nothing impure has been added to it will be Halaal. The cheese sold in supermarkets and shops, if it is vegetarian or derived from animals slaughtered Islamically is permissible to consume. On the other hand if it is pig rennet used in the cheese, without transformation then this is not permissible. Lastly, the rennet in cheese from animals other than pig is permissible, but abstention is desirable.
Bahr al-Raa’iq Volume 1 page 112/3
Register of the Fatawa Darul Ulum Karachi Number 175 23A Dated 11/3/ 1415
We quoted the actual Fatwa (legal verdict) regarding rennet used in cheese, by Mufti Nizamuddin Sahab in the MFG, and the following points from it are noteworthy.
3) 3.1) According to Imaam Abu Hanifah the rennet of Halaal (permissible) animals which have not been slaughtered according to Islamic law is Ja’iz (permissible for consumption) . Thus the animal which has been slaughtered by a non-Muslim is also one which has not been slaughtered according to Islamic law and therefore the rennet extracted from such an animal is Ja’iz.
The reason being that the lawfulness of rennet does not depend upon the slaughterer being a Muslim or non-Muslim, in fact it depends upon whether there is life in it or not. If there is no life in rennet then death cannot occur because life and death are opposites. The circulation of blood in an organ is the cause of life. No blood flows through rennet therefore rennet is not a living organism. To consume and use rennet is permissible. The Honourable Saahibayn’s difference in opinion in this is connected to the fact that rennet is situated in close proximity to impure substances contained in the stomach of the animal irrespective of whether the rennet from the animal was extracted and slaughtered by a Muslim or a non-Muslim.
3.2) If it is known with certainty that rennet is obtained from liquid substance extracted from pigs then such rennet is absolutely Haraam.
3.3) The rennet obtained from an animal slaughtered by a non-Muslim or Muslim in accordance with Islamic law or contrary to it, is in all cases Ja’iz as long as the animal in question is not a pig. This is the opinion of Imaam Abu Hanifah. According to the Saahibayn it is Impure.
3.4) Rennet extracted from plants is Halaal.
What is Whey?
During cheese making, a coagulum is formed by clotting milk with rennet. When the coagulum is cut, a watery liquid known as whey is released and drained off leaving the curd to be salted and further processed into cheese. Whey contains water, fat, protein, lactose, minerals and lactic acid. Cream, butter, cheese, drinks, syrups and powder are some of the products made from whey. Whey will come under the same rule as rennet because it is a by-product which appears during the process of cheese making.


Hope this puts minds at rest Jazakallah

Black
05-18-2007, 06:22 AM
Thanks Sister.

But I would like to know, do the cheese producers (kolbasniy sir) in Uzbekistan use rennet or whey in making cheese products? Does anybody have an idea about it? If somebody (of forumers) knows people who make cheese, he can ask them about it.

infolife
05-18-2007, 07:43 AM
Anig'ini bilmadim
lekin Hanafiy mazhabi boyicha Rennet harom emas, istemolga joiz ekan. Ammo taqwo qilaman deganlar yemasligi mumkin debdi.

Togrisi bizga 1-2kundan beri Mars,Snickers,Malteres,Bounty,Milky-Way shokolodlarini yemeylar degan mazmunda birodarlardan sms kelyatodi
bugun shu email kebdi bir dugonamdan.ozgina confusing,3-4marta oqib chiqib keyin tushundim.

Rennet bu buzoqchalarni oshqozonidan olinadigan suyuqlik modda ekan. Buzoqchalar sutni ichganda sut hazm bolish jarayonida qoladigan narsamiyey. Ammo Abu-Hanifa RAga kora Rennetda qon aylanmagani uchun u tirik organizm emas.Shunday ekan yashamaydi,o'lmaydi degan hulosa bn bu halol deyilgan ekan. . Ammo agar Rennet halol jonvorlar oshqozonidan emas, cho'chqani oshqozonidan olingan bolsa unda albatta haromdur. Va ko'p shkolad va pishloq mahsulotlarida rennetning aynan qaysi jonvordan olinganligi aytilmasa shubhali bo'ladi va harom deyuvchilar ham borligi yuzasidan taqwo qilaman deganlar yemasin debdi u yerda

Rennet Masterfoodning barcha mahsulotlarida ishlatiladi va ular vegetarianlar uchun suitable emas.

Hullas best before datei 10 Oktyabrdan keyin bo'lgan yuqoridagi shkolodlarni yemagan maqul

lyalyapo
05-18-2007, 09:51 AM
Hullas best before datei 10 Oktyabrdan keyin bo'lgan yuqoridagi shkolodlarni yemagan maqul
1 Oktyabrgacha 0 adaship qopti opa :)

Ismoilzoda
05-18-2007, 09:15 PM
Anig'ini bilmadim
lekin Hanafiy mazhabi boyicha Rennet harom emas, istemolga joiz ekan. Ammo taqwo qilaman deganlar yemasligi mumkin debdi.

Togrisi bizga 1-2kundan beri Mars,Snickers,Malteres,Bounty,Milky-Way shokolodlarini yemeylar degan mazmunda birodarlardan sms kelyatodi
bugun shu email kebdi bir dugonamdan.ozgina confusing,3-4marta oqib chiqib keyin tushundim.

Rennet bu buzoqchalarni oshqozonidan olinadigan suyuqlik modda ekan. Buzoqchalar sutni ichganda sut hazm bolish jarayonida qoladigan narsamiyey. Ammo Abu-Hanifa RAga kora Rennetda qon aylanmagani uchun u tirik organizm emas.Shunday ekan yashamaydi,o'lmaydi degan hulosa bn bu halol deyilgan ekan. . Ammo agar Rennet halol jonvorlar oshqozonidan emas, cho'chqani oshqozonidan olingan bolsa unda albatta haromdur. Va ko'p shkolad va pishloq mahsulotlarida rennetning aynan qaysi jonvordan olinganligi aytilmasa shubhali bo'ladi va harom deyuvchilar ham borligi yuzasidan taqwo qilaman deganlar yemasin debdi u yerda

Rennet Masterfoodning barcha mahsulotlarida ishlatiladi va ular vegetarianlar uchun suitable emas.

Hullas best before datei 10 Oktyabrdan keyin bo'lgan yuqoridagi shkolodlarni yemagan maqul

Сиздан илтимос киска сатрларда инглизча текст мазмунини тушунтириб берсангиз (умумий гаплар билан булса хам). Тушунганим факат шу булдики (уни хам узбекча текстингиздан) Rennet диган модда шоколадларга кушилар экан, шунинг учун уларни сотиб олмаслик керакми? Сураганим сабаби жиянларим айнан МАРС, Баунти, Милкивей, Твикс, Киндер, Сникерс ва бошка шоколад маркаларидан еб туришади. Узим хам шоколад деса хеч йук демаганман. Билмасдан харом аралашган нарса еб юрган булмайлик....

Кискача узбекча текстни кутиб коламиз, олдиндан катта рахмат.
Аллох рози булсин.

lyalyapo
05-19-2007, 01:46 AM
Сиздан илтимос киска сатрларда инглизча текст мазмунини тушунтириб берсангиз (умумий гаплар билан булса хам). Тушунганим факат шу булдики (уни хам узбекча текстингиздан) Rennet диган модда шоколадларга кушилар экан, шунинг учун уларни сотиб олмаслик керакми? Сураганим сабаби жиянларим айнан МАРС, Баунти, Милкивей, Твикс, Киндер, Сникерс ва бошка шоколад маркаларидан еб туришади. Узим хам шоколад деса хеч йук демаганман. Билмасдан харом аралашган нарса еб юрган булмайлик....

Кискача узбекча текстни кутиб коламиз, олдиндан катта рахмат.
Аллох рози булсин.
Bir nechi kun oldin yangiliklarda Mars, Snikers, Twix mahsulotlarini chiqaradigan firma o'z mahsulotlariga yangi moddani kiritishga boshlaganini aytdi hamda u modda Rennet moddasi ekan. Rennet haqidagi ba'zi olimlarning hukmini esa infolife 2 postlarida yozib uttilar.

Hamid
05-20-2007, 03:57 AM
latest news on the issue:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/6673549.stm

hh:D

lyalyapo
05-20-2007, 06:56 AM
latest news on the issue:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/6673549.stm

hh:D
Alhamdulillah, snikersni juda yahshi kurardim :)
Lekin 1 maydan beri chiqarishga ulgurishgan bulsa kerak, labeliga ahamiyat berib olish kerak endi.

infolife
05-20-2007, 12:09 PM
latest news on the issue:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/6673549.stm

hh:D

bilardim shunaqa bolishiniya:D

on:
After successful campaigns via e-mail, phone and petitions Masterfoods has now officially announced it will reinstate the Vegetarian status on their chocolate brands

Sunday 20th May 2007: - Masterfoods has abandoned plans to use animal products in its chocolate, and has apologised to "upset" vegetarians.

The Vegetarian Society organised a campaign against the move, asking members to voice their concerns to parent company Masterfoods.

In just one week, more than 6,000 people bombarded the company, which produces the Mars, Snickers, Maltesers and Galaxy brands, with phone and e-mail complaints.

Forty MPs also signed a petition to voice their opposition.

Fiona Dawson, managing director of Mars UK, said the company had listened to customers and decided to reverse its decision.

endi bu threadni delete qilsa ham boladi:)

Uyyonli
05-20-2007, 02:41 PM
''Masterfoods''-ni muzqaymoqlari hamma turida rennet ishlatiladi, endi uni chuchka rennetidanmi yoki boshqasidan ishlatilganmi uni Olloh bilar ekan "MASTERFOODS" ning muzqaymoqlarni yemagan ma'qul harom deb aytolmaymiz InshOlloh.