interpret this picture

[Qarama]

for history lovers like me...

http://img464.imageshack.us/img464/5251/chlebowskibajazytwniewobf4.jpg

[Royal]

Central Asian Embassador's acceptance at Sultans office.

[mimoza]

Turklarni evropada qilgan galabasi natizhasida cherkovlarni machitlarga ozgartganini tasvirlajdi.

[Qarama]

The person in the center is Amir Temur...

[UzLand]

The person in the center is Amir Temur...

and the other guy?

[Qarama]

and the other guy?

Sultan Bayazit...

[bacha]

The person in the center is Amir Temur...
Sultan Bayazit...
So it means next step, Amir will take out his knife and behead the Sultan.

[Darvesh]

Bakma, you should know this picture, if you are history lover;)

What are those people doing?

http://img124.imageshack.us/img124/63/300pxrepincossacksyk2.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

P.s. This Pic was posted once in Turkistan forumu by Bacha.

[UzLand]

Bakma, you should know this picture, if you are history lover;)

What are those people doing?

http://img124.imageshack.us/img124/63/300pxrepincossacksyk2.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

P.s. This Pic was posted once in Turkistan forumu by Bacha.

Taras Bulbaku!

[UzLand]

Sultan Bayazit...

So this is a fantasy Turkish historians have?:))) Or was it a rehearsal at the Sultan's palace right before the battle?:)

[Royal]

Stuiosus

Come one now, not nice...

Could You explaine why You put this pictures here ?
ok even bacha did it before, why You putit here now ?
any reason, I would like to understand Your point.

[Royal]

Taras Bulbaku!

kazaks writing answer letter to Sultan.
in that letter they kursing the sultan, muslims and islam.

because of kazaks strategy in that time Sultan lost the battle with kazaks, even numbers was Sultans side.

[bacha]

So this is a fantasy Turkish historians have?:))) Or was it a rehearsal at the Sultan's palace right before the battle?:)
I guess the guy in the middle offers Sultan to give-up, and he is just a petty official of Amir.

[Demir Kağan]

kazaks writing answer letter to Sultan.
in that letter they kursing the sultan, muslims and islam.

because of kazaks strategy in that time Sultan lost the battle with kazaks, even numbers was Sultans side.

They are not Turkic Kazaks.

They are Don Kazaks.

[Abu-Hafiza]

It is spelled as cossacks actually and very different from Kazakhs. And cossacks in question (portraid on that picture) are not Don Cossacks but Zaporojye cossacks.

[Qarama]

I guess the guy in the middle offers Sultan to give-up, and he is just a petty official of Amir.

"He is also known as Timur-e Lang which translates to Timur the Lame, as he was lame after sustaining an injury to the leg in battle."

and as you can see in the picture the person in the middle uses a stick for walking.

So it means next step, Amir will take out his knife and behead the Sultan.

the ottoman sultans always had poisin hidden in their rings, so in a situation when the sultans get captured (as far as i know this only happened 1time) they drink the poison and die.

So this is a fantasy Turkish historians have?:))) Or was it a rehearsal at the Sultan's palace right before the battle?:)

lol maybe it was a meeting before the battle at Ankara.

[Qarama]

Though I dont have to, I will explain it for you.

As you might know, in russian schools they teach about cossacks, how they won over turkish army and so on. As it's a part of their propaganda, every educated russian knows this picture and its history. This contributes to their unconscious feeling of superiority towards turkish nations.

Thats why, I wanted to know if Turks also know about this picture(events), whether they teach this defeat of Osmanli in turkish schools, and how they depict it...

i can speak for turks living in Germany, i have not seen this picture in a german history book during my school times.

But i know this picture and i agree with a small correction what Royal said before
kazaks writing answer letter to Sultan.
in that letter they kursing the sultan, muslims and islam.

because of kazaks strategy in that time Sultan lost the battle with kazaks, even numbers was Sultans side.
Kazaks = cossaks.

[Royal]

eeee...whatever...

so Studiosus are You trying to teach turks with history by showing that they sultans defeated by Zaparojya kazzaks/cossaks and that letter which they wrote You place here with proud ????

You gotta be kidding...

Turks may not know this picture histrory , but placing here and asking that question is was lowest thing to do...

P.S. You may find lots of gramma mistakes in my postings, if You go over all of them and tell all my mistakes I will appreciate that. Learning is good.

To offend me You have to try very hard and much harder...

[Kaptan-i Derya]

Bakma, you should know this picture, if you are history lover;)

What are those people doing?

http://img124.imageshack.us/img124/63/300pxrepincossacksyk2.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

P.s. This Pic was posted once in Turkistan forumu by Bacha.

our answer to that picture is this :

Pis Kokusundan Dolayı Kovulan Elзi

Veli lakaplı II. Bayezid'in padişahlığı. dцneminde İstanbul'a, Moskova kralının elзisi sıfatıyla Mihail Plachtneef isimli birinin geldiğini . . .
Bu adamın, insanı istifra ettirecek kadar pis kokmasından dolayı yıkanması iзin hamama gцtьrьldьğьnde, bu keferenin hayatında hiз hamam gцrmemiş olup yıkanmak ve зamaşır değiştirmek adetine aşina olmadığı ve kimse ile gцrьştьrьlmeden pisliğinden dolayı İstanbul'dan kovulduğunu....

biliyomuydunuz eeeyy Цzbekler :D

[Kaptan-i Derya]

eeee...whatever...

so Studiosus are You trying to teach turks with history by showing that they sultans defeated by Zaparojya kazzaks/cossaks and that letter which they wrote You place here with proud ????

Turkish gambit movie despicted that "defeat", as far as i know cossacks did play a minor role in that.

[corsair]

for history lovers like me...

http://img464.imageshack.us/img464/5251/chlebowskibajazytwniewobf4.jpg

maslahat surashvotganga ushxaydi...

ming boshi: oqsoqol, movlono, anabu chor armiyasi urmalovchi ajdarhosini biza tamonga yo'lantirvotti, nima qilu?
oq soqol- hey, yer yutkur, bizada abet, haliroq kelgin, quruq kelma...

confused.com?

[corsair]

our answer to that picture is this :

rasmda:

misha: nu ktoj sbegaet za pыvom?
kazaki: misha, ti gonish! tam je tatarы...

[Qarama]

http://www.directupload.net/images/070610/XyM4THtv.jpg

[Mr.Bit]

Nalogoviki priehali k prodavcu yablok s cel'yu sbora naloga!
V krasnovatom plashe - bazar_kom, pod krishey kotorogo rabotaet prodavec. On vedet glavnogo nalogovika k sebe v kabinet, chtob o100gramitsya.
V dvernom proyome - mestniy stukach, kotoriy pobejit k vecheru dokladivat' v sootvetstvuyushie organi o chaepitii!

[Qarama]

Nalogoviki priehali k prodavcu yablok s cel'yu sbora naloga!
V krasnovatom plashe - bazar_kom, pod krishey kotorogo rabotaet prodavec. On vedet glavnogo nalogovika k sebe v kabinet, chtob o100gramitsya.
V dvernom proyome - mestniy stukach, kotoriy pobejit k vecheru dokladivat' v sootvetstvuyushie organi o chaepitii!

kechirasiz... hech narsa tushunmadim :(

[corsair]

wuahahahaha :-D

[Professor]

wuahahahaha :-D
shu userni hech ham tushuna olmadim...iqtisodiyotmi u, siyosatmi, tarbiyami yoki din..hammasiga baralla hoholab kuladi...nauthibillah. Qumri opaga olib borib uqitib kelish kerak manimcha. :)

[Aziz]

Sultan Bayazit...

what does the name "Bayazit" mean?

[Mr.Bit]

what does the name "Bayazit" mean?
there was a mistake, should be - Bay Aziz!

[Vezunchik]

http://www.directupload.net/images/070610/XyM4THtv.jpg


Amir Temur Turkiyaga kirib kelishi, Boyazidni zabt qilinishi.
yuzboshi yoki ming boshi bosib olingan shahar ho`jalarini oldiga kirvoti.

[Aziz]

there was a mistake, should be - Bay Aziz!

thank you for the complement...but seriously, does anybody know? cuz I heard it means something like white....I'm not sure.

[Bilge_Kagan]

thank you for the complement...but seriously, does anybody know? cuz I heard it means something like white....I'm not sure.

It must be "Bayezid". Shortened form of "Ebu Yezid" ( Father of Yezid ) as i read, it "Eba Yezid" while calling somebody. So, it a bit changed in Turkish pronunciation Eba Yezid-Bayezid...

I don't know Arab language, you can correct.

[Kaptan-i Derya]

Nalogoviki priehali k prodavcu yablok s cel'yu sbora naloga!
V krasnovatom plashe - bazar_kom, pod krishey kotorogo rabotaet prodavec. On vedet glavnogo nalogovika k sebe v kabinet, chtob o100gramitsya.
V dvernom proyome - mestniy stukach, kotoriy pobejit k vecheru dokladivat' v sootvetstvuyushie organi o chaepitii!

merhaba! :cool:

[Qarama]

Amir Temur Turkiyaga kirib kelishi, Boyazidni zabt qilinishi.
yuzboshi yoki ming boshi bosib olingan shahar ho`jalarini oldiga kirvoti.

this is possible, i never thought about that. Thanks for sharing your idea with us.

[Aziz]

It must be "Bayezid". Shortened form of "Ebu Yezid" ( Father of Yezid ) as i read, it "Eba Yezid" while calling somebody. So, it a bit changed in Turkish pronunciation Eba Yezid-Bayezid...

I don't know Arab language, you can correct.

what you said about Arabic is right, but are you sure or is it just an assumption?

[Qarama]

what you said about Arabic is right, but are you sure or is it just an assumption?

we also use the name Mehmed which is a form for Muhammed

[Karayılan]

http://www.directupload.net/images/070610/XyM4THtv.jpg

I think these are Turcoman soldiers from Anatolia. They are going to join the main army. :D

[Delf]

1. Building has some features of Egyptian architecture and has features I have never seen in Uzbekistan.
2. Soldiers have those long spears with axes in the end, which you will never see in Central Asia. Also, CA soldier would most likely have bows and swords.

That's all I can say :)

Delf.

[Aziz]

1. Building has some features of Egyptian architecture and has features I have never seen in Uzbekistan.
2. Soldiers have those long spears with axes in the end, which you will never see in Central Asia. Also, CA soldier would most likely have bows and swords.

That's all I can say :)

Delf.

these arches are similar to the arches present at the Prophet's mosque in Madinah.
http://www.yanabi.com/media/IslamicImages/Masjid_e_nabvi_inside/images/m11.jpg
but I'm not sure if it's Egyptian architecture. I think it Ottoman more than Egyptian.

[Tabriz_Han]

The side arches look "Mamluk" to me so it could be Egypt? Although the main arch could be Osmanli.

[bacha]

Rich guy, has two guards, and given the best of treatments, see another guy waiting for him at the door. And here there is a poor guy, selling something and doesn`t even have proper dress. And all these are happenning next to a mosque.

Rich thinks this is the way it should be.
Soldiers proud of their job.
Mullahs are unaware of their hypocracy.
And the mosque is crying seeing injustice.

P.S. Somewhere on the mosque there is swastika the way it originally was.

[Qarama]

@bacha swastika?..

the next picture

http://www.tallarmeniantale.com/pics/Mufti.JPG

[Abu-Hafiza]

@bacha swastika?..

the next picture

http://www.tallarmeniantale.com/pics/Mufti.JPG

Bakma, this picture is called:
The Mufti and the Monster by Jacopo Ligozzi 1576-80

The picture is drawn with the intention to promote a hateret towards turks during those years.

In picture, entitled as Mufti, turkish Pope by Ligozzi you can see a turkish mufti recieving a half man half monster warrior where he checks the spikes on the monster's hand suggesting his sinister intentions.

http://www.islamophobia-watch.com/display/ShowPicture?moduleId=127130&pictureId=121241&galleryId=10607
http://www.monarchie.at/myth/book89.html

The picture was also used to represent grand mufti of Jerusalem, Haj Amin al-Husseini, reviewing Bosnian Muslim troops - a unit of the "Handzar Scimitar Division" of the Nazi's Waffen SS (link is here (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Klonimus/Islamofascism) and also here (http://p083.ezboard.com/fbalkansfrm173.showMessageRange?topicID=292.topic&start=21&stop=40))

[Abu-Hafiza]

for history lovers like me...

http://img464.imageshack.us/img464/5251/chlebowskibajazytwniewobf4.jpg

this image is a painting by Polish Stanislaw Chelbowski called Sułtan Bajazyt w niewoli u Tamerlana (Timura) en: (Sultan Bayezid prisoned by Timur) (1878)
So the guesses above are correct

[smirnoff]

Amir Temur Boyazitni asrga olgani, yani o'ttirgan bobo Boyazit bo'ladilar. Shu rasmni juda yaxshi ko'ramanda. To'g'rirog'i zavq olaman. :D

[Abu-Hafiza]

Bakma, any new pictures to interpret? :D

[Abu-Hafiza]

Can anyone interpret this picture?

http://www.oddee.com/_media/imgs/articles/a52_prison.jpg

[bashiyrullah]

Can anyone interpret this picture?

http://www.oddee.com/_media/imgs/articles/a52_prison.jpg
O'zimizdan chiqqan sotqinlar,o'zimiznikilarni qamab,"jazo"ni kutib turishibdi!!!

[Qarama]

http://s1.directupload.net/images/070901/ezw7Q2MW.jpg

[Abu-Hafiza]

http://s1.directupload.net/images/070901/ezw7Q2MW.jpg

Looks like the girl on the left is really angry and wants to beat up th eother girl with a walking stick. It's probably the dispute over parking area :D

[Qarama]

anyone else who tries her/his luck?

[Kaptan-i Derya]

I hope our Turkish members stay at home (Turkistan) on this one except Qarama our VIP member:
http://www.mkutup.gov.tr/osmanli/res2.jpg

[Qarama]

http://forum.arbuz.com/showpost.php?p=803296&postcount=49
^^this was an Ancient Turkic drawing you can see more about them here
http://depts.washington.edu/silkroad/museums/ubhist/turk.html

[Qarama]

http://s5.directupload.net/images/070905/G79eEYqG.jpg

[_uSu_]

for history lovers like me...

http://img464.imageshack.us/img464/5251/chlebowskibajazytwniewobf4.jpg

I like history but dont like interpreting the pictures. :)

on: The winner vs the looser.

[ferghaner]

any COMPLIMENTS

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[Qarama]

http://www.buelten.de/Siyah_Kalem_Demon2.JPG

[Uyyonli]

http://www.buelten.de/Siyah_Kalem_Demon2.JPG

a demon playing with his stick :twisted:

[Qarama]

do you know who painted that picture?

[Ziyoli]

http://www.buelten.de/Siyah_Kalem_Demon2.JPG

Painting by Mehmet Siyah Kalem:

ISIN, EKREM ET AL I,Mehmed Siyah Kalem ,Master of Humans and Demons
Istanbul, Turkey, Yapi Ve Kredi Bankasi. 2004. (ISBN: 9750808479) Wrappers, 11-And-a-half By 9 Inches. 304 pages - in Turkish and English - 156 full-page color illustrations and dozens of color figs. - published to coincide with the 2004 showing at the Yapi Kredi Museum in Istanbul, Turkey of miniatures and other works by Mehmed Siyah Kalem, an extraordinary Turkish artist whose origins are lost in the sands of time - beautiful calligraphy and striking images of demons, trolls and humans - essays by Emel Isín, Barbara Brend, David Roxburgh and seven other specialists on: the mysterious world of Mehmed Siyah Kalem; miniatures attributed to Kelem; the Inner Asian Turkish tradition; images on the fringe; Turkmen artists; Kalem's "others"; new and different interpretations of Kalem's miniatures; the demon as human double; wild animals in the Fatih Album; and much more - Catalogues I & II - Siyah Kalem miniatures index- album pages index. New -.
More info in Turkish:

http://liman.goodforum.net/sanat-tarihi-f32/mehmed-siyahkalem-t1103.htm

[erkak#1]

any COMPLIMENTS

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Rivojlanish va tabiatning go'zalligi :-D

[RockerDen]

for history lovers like me...

http://img464.imageshack.us/img464/5251/chlebowskibajazytwniewobf4.jpg

Epizod iz "barkhatnoy revolyutzii"????:?