Уго Чавес отменил вступительные экзамены в вузы

[Royal]

Уго Чавес отменил вступительные экзамены в вузы

Президент Венесуэлы Уго Чавес отменил вступительные экзамены в высшие учебные заведения страны.

"Вступительные экзамены в вузы страны являются устаревшим методом, который исключает возможность получения высшего образования для молодых ребят из народных масс", - заявил Чавес, выступая перед студентами в Каракасе.

"В этой связи вступительные экзамены отменяются", - сказал он. Кроме того, лидер Венесуэлы высказался за отмену экзаменов во время учебы в университетах страны.

Президент пообещал студентам повысить стипендию до 100 долларов и открыть льготные студенческие столовые, а также оборудовать классы новейшими приборами и вычислительной техникой.

На заявления президента Венесуэлы студенты ответили ликованием и восторженными криками: "Вот как надо руководить страной!" По личному распоряжению Чавеса, его выступление транслировали все телеканалы и радиостанции Венесуэлы.

http://vip-ua.com/?/news/2007/05/25/143922-2#1

[Unique]

rostanmi? :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

[Royal]

rostanmi? :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
Bir borip korip kesayizchi...

[lilbit]

vsyo!
kolichestvo tuparezov v Venezuelle rezko uvelichitsya!

[Vezunchik]

Bir borip korip kesayizchi...


qo`chqoraka, hazilzam bir Ostri`y , ostri`y.... chiqadi....:):)LOL


Lilbit, ne soglasen... Eta horosho. Da, mnogo deneg uydyot na veter, zato narod budet nemnogo poumneee, chem seychas....

ya chiatl, v Drevnem Rime (i Sparte, toje) studentami bi`li obyazani` stat vse deti Aristokratov.... na to i postroili sammmuyu Democrat Countrie in the World History....

[lilbit]

qo`chqoraka, hazilzam bir Ostri`y , ostri`y.... chiqadi....:):)LOL


Lilbit, ne soglasen... Eta horosho. Da, mnogo deneg uydyot na veter, zato narod budet nemnogo poumneee, chem seychas....

ya chiatl, v Drevnem Rime (i Sparte, toje) studentami bi`li obyazani` stat vse deti Aristokratov.... na to i postroili sammmuyu Democrat Countrie in the World History....

ne soglasen govorish'? shaz kaaaak dam tebe odin argument!
ne nado stremitsya ko vseobshemu vishemu obrazovaniyu. Nado otpibirat' luchshie umi sredi naroda i obuchat' ih. Eto kommunisticheskiy variant, kogda vse v obshiy kotel i varyatsya - ne privedet k horoshemu rezul'tatu. Poluchitsya variant kak u nas v Uzb, kogda student 3 kursa fizicheskogo fakul'teta ne mojet slojit' dve prostie drobi. I eto na tom fakul'tete, kotoriy kogda to zakonchili ochen' krutie fiziki, kotorie seychas rabotayut na zapade.

Mne ochen' nravitsya opit Indii, kogda tam sozdali vsego 7 istitutov na podobii MIT, v kotrih obuchalis' samie tolkovie. Vot rezultat etih 7 institutov India pojimaet seychas. I zamet', oni ne obuchale v univerah vsyu etu kuchu svoego naseleniya, a sozdali celevuyu obrazovatel'nuyu programmu. Mojet v srednem narod i tupovat, no vipuskniki Indiiskih MIT sdelali svoyo delo i delayut seycgas. V Silicon Valley ochen' mnogo vipusknikov etih VUZov, kotorie sozdali zdes' ili yavlyayutsya sovladel'cami Hi-Tech businesses.

Vot gde strategiya, a ne tam, chto b nauchit' celuyu klyuevu kuchu Venezuel'scev chitat; i pisat'

[Vezunchik]

ne soglasen govorish'? shaz kaaaak dam tebe odin argument!
ne nado stremitsya ko vseobshemu vishemu obrazovaniyu. Nado otpibirat' luchshie umi sredi naroda i obuchat' ih. Eto kommunisticheskiy variant, kogda vse v obshiy kotel i varyatsya - ne privedet k horoshemu rezul'tatu. Poluchitsya variant kak u nas v Uzb, kogda student 3 kursa fizicheskogo fakul'teta ne mojet slojit' dve prostie drobi. I eto na tom fakul'tete, kotoriy kogda to zakonchili ochen' krutie fiziki, kotorie seychas rabotayut na zapade.

Mne ochen' nravitsya opit Indii, kogda tam sozdali vsego 7 istitutov na podobii MIT, v kotrih obuchalis' samie tolkovie. Vot rezultat etih 7 institutov India pojimaet seychas. I zamet', oni ne obuchale v univerah vsyu etu kuchu svoego naseleniya, a sozdali celevuyu obrazovatel'nuyu programmu. Mojet v srednem narod i tupovat, no vipuskniki Indiiskih MIT sdelali svoyo delo i delayut seycgas. V Silicon Valley ochen' mnogo vipusknikov etih VUZov, kotorie sozdali zdes' ili yavlyayutsya sovladel'cami Hi-Tech businesses.

Vot gde strategiya, a ne tam, chto b nauchit' celuyu klyuevu kuchu Venezuel'scev chitat; i pisat'


OK, LILbit! Ti` sli`shal da pro Bangalor Valley? eta i est second Silicon Valley. da Indiya ne sdelal 10000 Institutov, no oni sozadli tseli`y Region Instiut. Seychas 40% cherni`y raboti` v mire v mire IT delayetsya tam. A teper tebe vopros- a skolko iz nih proshli hotyabi` nachalni`y kurs Matematiki??? Otvet- 10%, ne bolshe. a skolko iz nih imeeyut Micrasoft Serificat ?? otvet - 10%.

Videsh, neobhodimo Klaster, Klaster obrazovaniya. A ostalnoe potyanitsya za nim..

na schet total Education. Ti` znayesh pochemu ya Obojayu SSSR Model of Education?? Potomu chto tam kajdi`y fizik-yadershik mog zaprosto prochitat naizust Evgeniya Onegina, i rzadelat Marksistkuyu baziz ili zakon Diolektiki...
Poetomu oni smogli za groshi sozdat PZRK, PRT i SU, MIG novogo pokoleniya. U nih bi`lo mi`shlenie mnogoprofilnoe. Konsultanti` Kartera (Jimmi) napisali report "What and where can rech SSSR more ability ....??? ". Otvet bi`l takoy - "Fizik, kotori`y chital v obyazatelnom poryadke Voyna i MIR, Prestuplenie i Nakazanie..., ne mojet mi`slit standartno i uzkoprofilno...". Posle etogo v US v 1970-h nachi`los politika mejditsiplinarni`h nauk...


A to chto fizkulturnik popalsya na Ministerstvo finansov ili Ekonomiki v Uzb, eta lish probel nashego "zemlyachestva " i "tanish-bilish"... Posmotri v Rossiyu. tam seychas smogli takuyu administrativnuyu kommandu sobarat, chto vse govaryat na Zapade, chto etot komandni`y resurs hvatit Rossiyu esho na 20 let Razvitiya...

Toatal Education is always Perfect design.... Forexample: Phillipin, gde 80% naseleniya babysiter in the Singapur, Taywan, US ... i otpravlyayet v Rodinu polovinu GDP....
P

[lilbit]

oooo, raz ti nachal pro CCCP, to ya tebe skaju odno, chto v CCCP lyudi pogolvno ne shli v VUZi, bili te kto shli v PTU, bili te, kto srazu rabotal. V Soyuze bili VUZi, kuda uhodili lu4shie iz lu4shih i tam ne mogli daje i mechtat' imet' narodnie massi v stenah Univera.
Naprimer Meh-Mat MGU - odin iz samih znamenitih v mire matematcheskih uchebnih centrov. Tam viderjivali uchebu nastoyashie mozgi, i k koncu 5 kursa uroven' ih rabot bil na urovne rabot zapadnih PhD po matematike.

Kol' mi nachali obsujdat' Indiyu, to tam bila dolgosrochnaya strategiya, kotoraya privela k tomu, chto v strane, kotoraya po suti nishaya, obrazovanie na stoyashem urovne, t.k. kajdogo barana ne dopuskayut v Univer. I esli tebya poimali za spisivaniem, to lishayut prava postupleniya v etot univer na 3 goda (rebyata uchashiesya tam ne dadut sovrat'). Ya znayu eto vsyo potomu, chto poluchil tam gryobanniy scholarship v luchshem VUZe strani i znayu kak tam morduyut indusov. Esli b ne ih "chistoplonost'", mojet ya b uje tam zakanchival vsyo to chto nachal zdes', no . . . strana zanimalas' otborom lu44ih iz lu44ih.

Venezuella je sobiraet vsyo v odin kotel!
Naprimer esli vzyat' 10 studentov s samogo hilogo univera v UZB i zasunut' ih v MGU na MehMat, to esli oni prosto budut sidet' na parah i starat'sya vniknut' hot' vo chto-to, i slushat' obsujdeniya sredi stuentov, to uroven' etih vot dvoeshnikov budet namnogo vishe otlichnika iz Uzbekistanskogo srednego MEhMata, t.k. okrujenie delaet obraovanie, a ne tol'ko stenka, tri knijki, i domulo!

[Octavarium]

Уго Чавес отменил вступительные экзамены в вузы

Президент Венесуэлы Уго Чавес отменил вступительные экзамены в высшие учебные заведения страны.

"Вступительные экзамены в вузы страны являются устаревшим методом, который исключает возможность получения высшего образования для молодых ребят из народных масс", - заявил Чавес, выступая перед студентами в Каракасе.

"В этой связи вступительные экзамены отменяются", - сказал он. Кроме того, лидер Венесуэлы высказался за отмену экзаменов во время учебы в университетах страны.

Президент пообещал студентам повысить стипендию до 100 долларов и открыть льготные студенческие столовые, а также оборудовать классы новейшими приборами и вычислительной техникой.

На заявления президента Венесуэлы студенты ответили ликованием и восторженными криками: "Вот как надо руководить страной!" По личному распоряжению Чавеса, его выступление транслировали все телеканалы и радиостанции Венесуэлы.

http://vip-ua.com/?/news/2007/05/25/143922-2#1

V dolgosrochnoy perspektive eto mojet okazatsya samim hudshim resheniyem Chaveza.

[Inspiredmind]

mnogo polojitelnix storon, chem negativnix...mujik Chaves pryam idet protiv usa's eduction...lol:D

[burchalka]

Глупо и бестолково

[lilbit]

idite Vezunchiku eto poyasniti, ato on za massovoe obucheniev VUZah!!!

hochet chtob vse pogolovno bili akademikami!

[gulamus]

pravilno on delaet :) mujik.. i studenty teper podderjivat budut ego..
a esli nado budet tam toje mogut byt specializirovanie VUZy tak chto ne znaya ob etom govorit ob etom ne imee smysla..
A eshe esli nujno budet eti umy vse ravno esli zahotyat poluchat obrazovanie gdeto v drugom meste, esli poschitayut eto nujnim.
I potom vy je ne znaete opyattaki kak on sobiraetsa prinimat studentov? proccess je toje ne izvesten, logicheski on ne mojet vseeeeeeeh detey prinyat v VUZy znachit vse ravno tam chtoto doljno byt chto my tut kajetsa ne obsudili eshe.
GA

[Royal]

Eto lutshie variant...

a egzamenov on mojet eshyo cherez 3 mesyatsa provodit i togda vsyo vstanet na mesto...kto yest kto.

zdes bedni no umnie toje mojet imet shans uchitsa.

ne kak v Tashkente: Durak, zato u papi yest babki i uchitsa, umnie zato u nego karman pusto yemu toka v pole rabotat ??? iz derevni ili iz goroda ne imeyet raznitsi, potomu chto bit durakomne nado jit v gorode.
takih ochen mnogo...

[lilbit]

gulamus, dlya tebya i eshe raz

"В этой связи вступительные экзамены отменяются", - сказал он. Кроме того, лидер Венесуэлы высказался за отмену экзаменов во время учебы в университетах страны.


eto znachit, chto ves' sbrod budet popadat' v odno mesto!
kak ti dumaesh', kakoi rezultat poluchitsya esli obuchat; genial'nih studentov i studentov iz kishlakov v odnom meste? Rezul'tat budet nije srednego!

tak chto kolhoznik etot Chavez!!!

[lilbit]

Eto lutshie variant...

a egzamenov on mojet eshyo cherez 3 mesyatsa provodit i togda vsyo vstanet na mesto...kto yest kto.

zdes bedni no umnie toje mojet imet shans uchitsa.

ne kak v Tashkente: Durak, zato u papi yest babki i uchitsa, umnie zato u nego karman pusto yemu toka v pole rabotat ??? iz derevni ili iz goroda ne imeyet raznitsi, potomu chto bit durakomne nado jit v gorode.
takih ochen mnogo...


esli est' i ruki i nogi, plus boshka, to mojno uchitsya i v tashkente! Ne nado tut lyalya, odnklasniki bez pap postupali iv Econom Univer i v UWED i nichego, douchilis' prekrasno i svalili zarubej.

Proshli te vremena, kogda s dereven' priezjali Lomonosovi! Derevenskaya shkola sdohla! Dlya teh kto ne znaet, ejaite v derevnyu i pointeresuites' chem jivyot molodyoj!!!

Esli chel umniy, to v pole on rabotat' budet sooovsem ne dolgo. tak chto davayte ne budem oboshat'.

Imeet shans uchitsya tol'ko dlya lu4shih, nado hot' gde to otdelyat' proso ot pshenici!!!

[_uSu_]

Srazu vidno, pod vsemi etimi, yako by, "privilegiemi" dlya studentov lezhit tolko odin poleticheskiy motiv. A vse rozgovory o plyusah i minusah etoy sistemy bespolezno, potomu chto, govorya prostymi i vsem ponyatnimi slovami, chelovek odin raz dobivshes chtota prosta tak lehko vsyu zhizn budet iskat "leviye" hody vyhody iz situatsii...

Pomnyu, eshe kogda Chavez stal novym "prezident"om Venesuely, studenty i vo-obshe molodezh trebovali ego otstavki ustraivaya bolshiye demonstratsiye kazhdiy den, oni i do sih por ne hotyat ego. Tolko vot Ugo sel ochen plotno na svoyo "prezidentskoye" kreslo i ne dopuskaet im "bezobraznichat" na ulitsah Karakasa. No on znaet chto Molodezh vse taki eto sila! Vot on i reshil teper (tipa ochered doshla do nih) uspokoit ih raz i navsegda delaya bolshiye obeshanie vrode stipendii v razmere $100 i t.d. A chto?! Umniy i takticheskiy produmanniy hod tipichnogo diktatora, u kotorogo deneg daaafiga i bolshe, blogodarya bolshym tsenam na neft, i kotoromu glavnoe chtob proderzhatsya na postu do kontsa svoih dney, a dalshe cho budet s molodyozhyu postupivshaya v univer po "blatu", kak govoritsya, po barabanu...

[Octavarium]

Hugo Chaves is not the first stupid guy to try to do that. Some dumb asses back in the late 20-s and early 30-s tried to do the same in the USSR. Their motive was that the higher education should not be a privilege, but rather affordable way to advance one's skills and knowledge (sounds familiar, hah?) -- but even Soviet reformists, no matter how politically-correctly-speaking-not-really-smart they were, pretty soon realised that it was not a proper way to educate people, so they gave up on this and introduced enrolling exams, which almost instantly improved the level of education among university grads.

The main problem in a non-exam system is that, if you are trying to teach macroeconomics at the university and get to realise that half of your students can't do simple maths (2x2 kinda stuff), you'd have to spend most of your time trying to teach your students to do multiplication, thus turning your class in elementary-school AP class. The natural question is, then, what's the point of the university education if all you do is spelling and where you don't even get to know what logorithm is? Right, none.

Those who studied at the Uzbek university with dumb kids who got to study at college after strong lobbying from their parents will understand what I am talking about -- even one middle-school level kid can totally destroy studying for twenty more or less smart kids.

[bacha]

This proposal of Chavez has bad and good sides.

It is true that the overall level of education will go down, yet more people will have opportunity to obtain that education. Besides, there are many cases where people realise importance of education only after growing up, and this proposal gives them a chance to start everything over again.

It is an analogue of American, and western systems in general. Here, with a little effort you can get enrolled. If your marks were not good at school, you can go back, improve them, and you will be registered.

Chavez is not stupid, otherwise he wouldn`t be a president now, and moreover would not be in power up to now with all that criticism and mockery of his against US. So, dear educated non-kolhozniki, this `kolhoznik` rocks.

[Octavarium]

It is true that the overall level of education will go down, yet more people will have opportunity to obtain that education.

This statement brings an eternal issue of quality over quantity. I firmly believe that, when it comes to education, quality is a far better choice than quantity. Would you prefer to live in a country ruled by a stadium of idiots or would you prefer to live in a country ruled by a smart bunch of people? I prefer the second option.

[lilbit]

Our ex minister of education told once: we have to turn quality into quantity. He did it stupid ass, and now we have myriads of lower than average graduates who have a dream of becoming police officers and other bloodseeking people. Very few of them wanna become something more serious than this!

[bacha]

This statement brings an eternal issue of quality over quantity. I firmly believe that, when it comes to education, quality is a far better choice than quantity. Would you prefer to live in a country ruled by a stadium of idiots or would you prefer to live in a country ruled by a smart bunch of people? I prefer the second option.
Your comparison doesn`t work.

I can twist it different way. Do you prefer to live in a country with only few very smart people, and the rest are stupid? Or, a country with overall smart people?

Yet, it doesn`t work that way. Just as an example, does education make one smart? No.

As of Chavez. Cuba is a state that `exports` brain throughout latin america, especially medical personnel. Think about it...

[lilbit]

Your comparison doesn`t work.

I can twist it different way. Do you prefer to live in a country with only few very smart people, and the rest are stupid? Or, a country with overall smart people?

Yet, it doesn`t work that way. Just as an example, does education make one smart? No.

As of Chavez. Cuba is a state that `exports` brain throughout latin america, especially medical personnel. Think about it...
Cuba has soviet traditions in education as well as american ones!!! That is first

Second, I prefer to live in country, where people are treated not on average but on their abilities!!!

[bacha]

Cuba has soviet tradition in education as well as american ones!!! That is first

Second, I prefer to live in country, where people are treated not on average but on their abilities!!!
Great thing you said. Soviet tradition is when it is free, US tradition is when anyone can go to university. That is exactly what Chavez wants. Thank you for supporting my opinion.

As of second part, what else do you prefer? Tea or coffee?

[lilbit]

But the problem is CUBA, in its begining did not educate everybody in Universities as well as it does right now!!!

So there is no annalogy with what Chavez proposes!

As it was mentioned above, he just tryes to get some points from youth and calm them down!!!

[bacha]

But the problem is CUBA, in its begining did not educate everybody in Universities as well as it does right now!!!

So there is no annalogy with what Chavez proposes!

As it was mentioned above, he just tryes to get some points from youth and calm them down!!!
Please, take some time before posting. Everytime, totally new points, sometimes contradicting to previous ones, new topics. Of course it shows how broadly you think, yet Chavez` goals, and benefits from his proposal are two different topics, as his proposal is not his invention while his career is his own affair.

[lilbit]

here we discuss what he proposed and it's relevance in today world!

other examples just help us to understand the stupidity of his decision! (except the one which deals with votes for elections)

[Delf]

Качество получаемого образования зависит от:
1. Спроса на знания - именно на знания, а не на диплом.
2. Степени конкурентности рынка образования, чтоб образовательные организации имели возможность предоставлять широчайший выбор и свободно конкурировать меж собой за спрос (т.е. деньги) студентов.

Обязательные экзамены - это всего-лишь промежуточные оценки успеваемости, не более. Для оценки знаний могут применятся и другие методы. К примеру GRE, TOEFL - экзамен можно принимать в любое время. Или же олимпиады и конкурсы - они выявляют самых талантливых.

Delf.

[Vezunchik]

pravilno on delaet :) mujik.. i studenty teper podderjivat budut ego..
a esli nado budet tam toje mogut byt specializirovanie VUZy tak chto ne znaya ob etom govorit ob etom ne imee smysla..
A eshe esli nujno budet eti umy vse ravno esli zahotyat poluchat obrazovanie gdeto v drugom meste, esli poschitayut eto nujnim.
I potom vy je ne znaete opyattaki kak on sobiraetsa prinimat studentov? proccess je toje ne izvesten, logicheski on ne mojet vseeeeeeeh detey prinyat v VUZy znachit vse ravno tam chtoto doljno byt chto my tut kajetsa ne obsudili eshe.
GA


Pravilno. Oni ne mogut prinimat vseh podryad, znachit tam budet kakoyto vid "Ekzamenov". V Venesuelee ne tak uj mnogo Univer.

Pochemu on eta reshil?
skoree 2 predpolojeniya (tak kak ne nashel v internete Chetkih prichin):
1. V strane idyot massovaya Natsionalizatsiya. Znachit ponadobitsya mnogo nats. kadrov s obrozovaniem. S horoshim obrozovaniem Univera.

2. Kak i 20-30-hh godah v SSSR, esli idyot Total Education, znachit gosudarstvo gotovitsya promi`shlennomu "perevorotu". Oni poneli chto Neft ne mojet obespechit stabilnost vsegda. Vot i reshili za dengi nefti gaz vsem dat obrozovanie i otkri`t novi`e zavodi` po prom.proizvodstvu. Eta horosho, SSSR za 20 let stal Industrialnoy derjavoy v nachale proshlego veka.

3. Ih politicheskiy motiv ne tak uj velik, tak kak, Chaves pochti Diktator i on ne nujdayetsya v "Lyubvi", on mojet sdelat golosa vsegda i vezde.

4. U nas (v Uzb) esli ne bi`lo bi` koorruptsii i stroitelstvo millllllion etih Dvortsov-litseyev-kolledjey, nasha programma Pdgotovki Kadrov bi`la samma lutshaya. No eta korruptsiya prevratila vsyo v ga"no.

5. Lilbit est tolko 2 raznitsi` v sisteme obrozovaniya v former-SSSR i US: 1. Obrozovanie bi`lo besplatnoe. 2 Obrozovanie bi`lo MnogoProfilnoe. Vot poetomu mi` smogli uyti vperyod vo vseh frontah nauki. No bi`lo odno problema:POlitika. Esli bi` ne reppresii i tupi`e politicheskie shagi, to nash Nauchni`y potentsial ushel bi` v peryod na 50 let. Izza voyenni`h rashodov SSSR ne obratil vnimanie na narodnoe-hozyayestva na sherpotreb. No eta uje ne problema nauki, eta uje Polit-Sots otnoshenii.

[lilbit]

ustal, no skaju odno, CCCP ushol vpered tol'ko v Fundametal'noi nauke! Prikladnaya nauka ostalas' na zadnem dvore, vot eshe odna iz prichin razvala

[_uSu_]

Pravilno. Oni ne mogut prinimat vseh podryad, znachit tam budet kakoyto vid "Ekzamenov". V Venesuelee ne tak uj mnogo Univer.

Pochemu on eta reshil?
skoree 2 predpolojeniya (tak kak ne nashel v internete Chetkih prichin):
1. V strane idyot massovaya Natsionalizatsiya. Znachit ponadobitsya mnogo nats. kadrov s obrozovaniem. S horoshim obrozovaniem Univera.

2. Kak i 20-30-hh godah v SSSR, esli idyot Total Education, znachit gosudarstvo gotovitsya promi`shlennomu "perevorotu". Oni poneli chto Neft ne mojet obespechit stabilnost vsegda. Vot i reshili za dengi nefti gaz vsem dat obrozovanie i otkri`t novi`e zavodi` po prom.proizvodstvu. Eta horosho, SSSR za 20 let stal Industrialnoy derjavoy v nachale proshlego veka.

3. Ih politicheskiy motiv ne tak uj velik, tak kak, Chaves pochti Diktator i on ne nujdayetsya v "Lyubvi", on mojet sdelat golosa vsegda i vezde.

4. U nas (v Uzb) esli ne bi`lo bi` koorruptsii i stroitelstvo millllllion etih Dvortsov-litseyev-kolledjey, nasha programma Pdgotovki Kadrov bi`la samma lutshaya. No eta korruptsiya prevratila vsyo v ga"no.

5. Lilbit est tolko 2 raznitsi` v sisteme obrozovaniya v former-SSSR i US: 1. Obrozovanie bi`lo besplatnoe. 2 Obrozovanie bi`lo MnogoProfilnoe. Vot poetomu mi` smogli uyti vperyod vo vseh frontah nauki. No bi`lo odno problema:POlitika. Esli bi` ne reppresii i tupi`e politicheskie shagi, to nash Nauchni`y potentsial ushel bi` v peryod na 50 let. Izza voyenni`h rashodov SSSR ne obratil vnimanie na narodnoe-hozyayestva na sherpotreb. No eta uje ne problema nauki, eta uje Polit-Sots otnoshenii.

Nebudu komentirovat tvoi slova(perviye 2 punkta) t.k. lyuboy pravilno myslyushiy mozhet priyti k takim logicheskim predpolozheniem, no oni u tebya bez osnovanie.

Ya prosta hochu potverdit svoyu tochku zreniyu. Vo-pervyh, pochti diktatorov nebyvaet, ili on diktator ili togda normalniy pravitel gosudarstva t.e. prezident. No to chto on i est diktator nebudu dokazyvat. (zaydi syuda esli hochesh ubeditsya eshe raz www*dictatorofthemonth.com/Chavez/Jun2005ChavezEN.htm)

A naschet togo chto on smozhet sdelat sebe golosa vsegda i vezde ty prav (t.k. v sovremennom mire vse diktatory delayut tak, inache on ne schitalsya by diktatorom), No vot imenno "lyubvi" svoego naroda emu nehvataet, i nedavniye demonstratsii studentov po vsey respublike k etomu eshe raz dokozatelstvo (pro demonstratsiyu mozhesh prochitat zdes www*newsru.com/world/29may2007/karakas.html). Tam oni, studenty i molodezh, ne takie kak u nas! oni tam protestuyut, delayut demonstratsii, koroche u Chaveza oni uzhe davno zanoza na odnom meste! Hotya on nikogda nedobyotsya "Lyubvi" ihni, no on hotyaby hochet utihomirit ih ili dobitsya hotyaby loyalnosti k svoemu rezhimu.

Tuposti etoy sistemy net opravdanii, po dvum prichinam, pervoe, chelovek dolzhen dobitsya sam vsego preodelevaya trudnosti na puti a ne poluchat pravo uchitsya izza togo chto prezident ili eshe ktota hochet etogo. Vtoroe, v zdravom obshestve dolzhny byt lyudi s diplomom i bez, umnie i duraki, bogatie i bednie, smelie i trusy etc. Esli vse budut "uchenymi" to togda nekomu budet unskilled jobs delat t.e. rabotat na stroykah i t.d.

mnenie, rebyata, lichnoe i nikomu nepihayu.

P.S. vmesto * postav tochku.

[Chichikov]

......i kto je ih uchit' budet?