Дневник нерожденного малыша.....

[Flamingo]

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[~Atirgul~]

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ohirgacha qaragim kelmadi :(

[W.I.Z.A.R.D]

И дейсвительно наша жизнь связано по цепочкам
Сотворение Человека (islam quran)рекомендую всем смотреть, фильм приоткрывает тайну сотворения человека.
:)

[Octavarium]

You can do that kind of presentations literally about everything -- you can do one about cutting trees, about killing lambs for their fur, killing puppies to improve the breed, killing cute mice for the sake of human kind (while experimenting with new drugs) and so on and so forth.

I think what's more important is to send a message that we, as potential parents, must be extra responsible and cautious while doing our stuff, but if things turn for worse (depending on the situation), then we, as future responsible parents, should be allowed a choice.

And this type of presentations do nothing but hurt those who, due to various circumstances, had to cut a new life.

[Glance]

You can do that kind of presentations literally about everything -- you can do one about cutting trees, about killing lambs for their fur, killing puppies to improve the breed, killing cute mouses for the sake of human kind (while experimenting with new drugs) and so on and so forth.

I think what's more important is to send a message that we, as potential parents, must be extra responsible and cautious while doing our stuff, but if things turn for worse (depending on the situation), then we, as future responsible parents, should be allowed a choice.

And this type of presentations do nothing but hurt those who, due to various circumstances, had to cut a new life.

Do you think anyone has right to kill someone?

Are there any circumstances to kill your own child?

May be those parents are not able to bring up their child due to their fiancial situation? But Allah is the one who cares about that.

Finally, if you think that there are problems that might be caused by parents (of the pair) or public opinion, those pairs should have thought about that BEFORE having some relationship. A child should not be killed because of the irresponsibility of his (idiot and weak) parents!!

I think making these kind of presentations will help to prevent people from abortion. May be people who did it in the past, will not repeat it after watching the video. Because not all of those "unwilling parents" did it because they had no choice. May be they will understand that being able to have a child is a great miracle!

[Octavarium]

Do you think anyone has right to kill someone?

Are there any circumstances to kill your own child?

May be those parents are not able to bring up their child due to their fiancial situation? But Allah is the one who cares about that.

Finally, if you think that there are problems that might be caused by parents (of the pair) or public opinion, those pairs should have thought about that BEFORE having some relationship. A child should not be killed because of the irresponsibility of his (idiot and weak) parents!!

Glance, totally agree with you that one has to think not once or twice, but ten thousand times before making a step that may result in grave consequences. I reiterate that being extra cautious and extra responsible is a primary task of any reasonable person. I love kids and kids tend to love me (when I am shaved, otherwise my beard tickles them :)), I am not in favor of killing fetuses (technically you may argue at which point a fetus turns into a human being), let alone several-month kids. I myself dream of at least two kids -- first daughter and then son. The reason I am telling this is just to let you know that I don't support abortion as a concept.

However, my point is that due to various reasons, including medical, social, economic and whatever else you can think of reasons, one may be forced to remove the fetus -- you can think of thousands of life examples why somebody might be forced to do that -- "forced" doesn't mean that they wanted to remove the baby, but implies that they were subdued to do that in order to stop the bigger evil. And my point is that we should not condemn those who have been forced to do it, I am saying we have to let everyone decide on their own if it is choice they want.

But again my message is: BE RESPONSIBLE AND MATURE.

Condemning something once it has happened does no good, but preventing something before it happens is probably a correct approach.

[Glance]

Octavarium I do understand you, and respect your opinion. But you should accept that there are things like majority and minority. So people who were forced to do it are very few.


I think making these kind of presentations will help to prevent people from abortion. May be people who did it in the past, will not repeat it after watching the video. Because not all of those "unwilling parents" did it because they had no choice. May be they will understand that being able to have a child is a great miracle!

[PainKiller]

Kids should be planned. They should be born into mature, expecting parents rather than to teen, irresponsible parents who hardly deal with their own problems yet. I am pro choice. Nobody has any right to tell someone how they should live their lives. At the end, not those who condemn abortion will raise and care for the child if he is born. So leave the mom to deal with that.

[Octavarium]

Octavarium I do understand you, and respect your opinion. But you should accept that there are things like majority and minority. So people who were forced to do it are very few.


Glance, thank you for respecting my opinion. I have the same respect for your opinion and opinion of anyone at forum.

It's Friday night and I don't want to bug you with my philosophical inquiries into the nature of abortion, but I would like to make a small remark -- who we are to decide what the line between those who are forced and those are too weak to accept the alternative (keeping the baby) is? The second category will not think of themselves as "too weak" ones, they will prefer to think that they were forced. So there is no majority or minority in this issue -- what you think is the minority might think of itself as the majority.

Nonetheless, I believe as long as there are two human beings of different sexes, the issue of morality of the abortion will remain. Therefore, I would assume that it's a personal choice of any person and at the end of the day, that person will take all responsibility -- may hate himself/herself for doing that, may simply forget about that, if asked what the biggest misake of their life was, may answer that it was the abortion. We all take what we are supposed to take.

Final note -- I apologize for taking so long -- people make decisions on keeping their babies regardless of silly presentations like one we all saw and although I hate repeating myself, I once again have to say that life is too complex to judge people who did it (judge not, that you may not be judged) and these people are already taking their piece of beating, so no need to totally beat these people up with these presentation/ads.

[Glance]

Now I can say that we are approaching to the topic from different sides..

I never mean to judge someone for his/her deeds, since I'm not the one who will be questioned for that person's deeds.

Our discussion is just going wrong. :)

I was for presenting some kind of films, and other stuff concerning abortion, just because I think we should do whatever we can in order to stop pairs from killing their children.

May be I got so angry, because I saw much more examples of getting rid of child, just because they think they have enough, or they just don't want to have them now (That's so common in Uzbekistan (ee...ho'jayinim oldirib tasha didila) you can not imagine how I feel when I hear that)..

When I meet people who are struggling to have a child, every day changing doctor, I start to hate those who are struggling to get rid of it :(

I might be wrong.. But I don't think I'm ever going to change my wrong opinion..

[Octavarium]

Now I can say that we are approaching to the topic from different sides..

I never mean to judge someone for his/her deeds, since I'm not the one who will be questioned for that person's deeds.

Our discussion is just going wrong. :)

I was for presenting some kind of films, and other stuff concerning abortion, just because I think we should do whatever we can in order to stop pairs from killing their children.

May be I got so angry, because I saw much more examples of getting rid of child, just because they think they have enough, or they just don't want to have them now (That's so common in Uzbekistan (ee...ho'jayinim oldirib tasha didila) you can not imagine how I feel when I hear that)..

When I meet people who are struggling to have a child, every day changing doctor, I start to hate those who are struggling to get rid of it :(

I might be wrong.. But I don't think I'm ever going to change my wrong opinion..

No opinion can be wrong, for there is no way to know what's wrong and what's right, so never apologize for your opinion and don't doubt it -- you are a master of your opinion.

Dumb cows who get rid of their babies simply because their "beloved" spouses ordered so (and you know what, the very husbands are responsible for preventing the situation in the first place) are simply ignorant of what physical and moral torture they put themselves through.

Again, I am advocating for increased responsiblity. I advocate for better ways to convey the message to the couples (or individuals) -- I suppose we both agree on that -- but I am just saying there must be (i) different ways to advocate that and (ii) any couple or individual must be given a choice. For example, I would appreciate an ad or campaign that would tell/demonstrate how sweet kids are and that we have to accept them as a blessing that many people are deprived of. Or I also liked ads on the metro where private hospitals and other private/religious institutions provide assistance to young/teen mothers for free, and may parents wish so, they can have their newborns adopted by other families.

What makes people get rid of their babies (I am certainly not talking about extreme cases that you described)? The sense of despair and lack of opportunities, because would-be parents are afraid that their babies will deprive them of their career, their beloved ones, will restrict them in terms of finances and etc. So, an ad or campaign that would spread a message that there is hope for everyone, that young or single mothers can get some free help, that if they don't want to keep a baby after they give birth to it, they may have their kids adopted -- there are millions waiting in lines to adopt kids -- that there is an alternative to killing babies, woud most probably help to reduce number of abortions, while the aforementioned presentation-like campaigns simply reproach people for not being strong and courageous enough to keep the baby.

So I believe we need hope and not reproach.


Good night, Glance.

[Magnolia]

So many teens in US give birth to kids and many give up their kids,I say it is better to do that then commit murder/abortion,give your child a chance to live...somebody gave you a chance to live...