Nima uchun gaz, suv va svet yo'q?

[Silvia]

Assalomu alaykum,
bitta savol so'ramoqchi edim. Nima uchun qishloq joylarda va kichik shaharchalarda gaz va suv yo'q? Ovqatni ular o'choqqa qilishadi, suvni ariqlardan(buloq) olishadi, a svet(elektrichestvo) bo'lsa kuniga 2,3 marta yonadi xolos...

[Qizaloq]

Assalamu alaykum wr wb!

Asalcha man shaharni qoq markazida turaman, bizada mana 4 kundan beri issiq suv yo`q, qishloqni endi etmasayam bo`lar ... :(
Ba`zan chiroq o`chib qovotti, mazza qilib dars qilomiy qolaman, nimaga ekan desek, tejashvotti deb qo`yoishadi.
Aytishlariga qaraganda zahiralar kamayvotgan ekan :( yana kim biladi ...

[benq35]

Assalomu alaykum,
bitta savol so'ramoqchi edim. Nima uchun qishloq joylarda va kichik shaharchalarda gaz va suv yo'q? Ovqatni ular o'choqqa qilishadi, suvni ariqlardan(buloq) olishadi, a svet(elektrichestvo) bo'lsa kuniga 2,3 marta yonadi xolos...

А почему Вы думаете что Вам тут ответят?
я вот тоже не знаю.
может у Мирзияева надо спросить?

[Qizaloq]

может у Мирзияева надо спросить?

Logichno :rolleyes:

[melo]

Assalomu alaykum,
bitta savol so'ramoqchi edim. Nima uchun qishloq joylarda va kichik shaharchalarda gaz va suv yo'q? Ovqatni ular o'choqqa qilishadi, suvni ariqlardan(buloq) olishadi, a svet(elektrichestvo) bo'lsa kuniga 2,3 marta yonadi xolos...

bu yomon emas, odamlar organishadi. dunyoda 75% alohisi shunaqa yashaydi. bu normalni hayot. agar siz undek kambahol yashamansangiz, boy bolishiz kerak. ;) Har kuni Hudoga raxmat deyishiz kerak. :D

[Mesut]

Bunaqa bulshini, kelajakda bundan ham battar bulishini Uzbekistondagilar bilishlari kerak.
Sababi: Hukumatimizni hukumatdek ishlamasligida, halqni halqdek talab qilmasligida!

[ДЖИГИТ]

Rinochnaya ekonomika... kto platit bol'she, tem i prodayut.

[melo]

is it a joke?:rolleyes:

did you read the rest of it. By definition that is normal. You must assume the way the richest 10% live is normal? :rolleyes:

[corsair]

javobini bilmayman... mustaqillik bayramiga ketib qolgan harajatlarni qoplash kerakdur....

PS: solar power!!! tomingizga 4-5 ta quyosh nuridan energiya ishlab chiqaradigan uskunalrdan qo'yib olsangiz 7-8 yilda o'z-o'zini qoplaydi (energiya uchun davlatga to'layotgan pulni)... uzbekistonda yiliga 80% quyoshli kunlar...

[melo]

according to you, 90% of human population do not have natural gas, drinking water and electricity. what a moron!:)

Here it talks about basic things in order to survive! not porshe or bmw. the definition of "poor" in america does not match with the one in uzbekistan or in any less developed country.

what is "normal" by definition? people should be ok with not having electricity, drinking water and natural gas?:rolleyes:
when countries are advancing in all areas, uzbekistan is going back to middle ages. The nation is literally dying. 90% of uzbekistan people live in rural areas. With no drinking water, first of all children, are gonna get hurt. Low quality of life means unhealthy kids. No electricity and natural gas means people have to use alternatives to survive somehow. Making a food in those conditons is not the same as making BBQ. So think twice before you say sth.

Not sure why name calling comes into play here, but thanks for your expert opinion. Now do a little research before you lecture. :rolleyes: So you basically only compare the US and Uzbekistan and this makes up the whole world. :lol: And just to make your day there are places in the US without elecrticity and running water. Maybe you should go check that out before making such statements. Its not just that they don't drive porsches and BMWs. :lool: And we can count this up if you want, but large portions of Africa, Asia, South and Central America, the Caribbean probably have similar or much worse living standards. So unless 90% (maybe exaggerated) of the world's population lives in the US and Europe you should rethink your ideas. Or did you think villages in uzbekistan were the only place people did not have everything they wanted. :P

[bacha]

Not sure why name calling comes into play here, but thanks for your expert opinion. Now do a little research before you lecture. :rolleyes: So you basically only compare the US and Uzbekistan and this makes up the whole world. :lol: And just to make your day there are places in the US without elecrticity and running water. Maybe you should go check that out before making such statements. Its not just that they don't drive porsches and BMWs. :lool: And we can count this up if you want, but large portions of Africa, Asia, South and Central America, the Caribbean probably have similar or much worse living standards. So unless 90% of the world's population lives in the US and Europe you should rethink your ideas. Or did you think villages in uzbekistan were the only place people did not have everything they wanted. :P
So, what is your point?

[melo]

So, what is your point?

My point is I am right and he is wrong. :lol: You just came to this thread to clarify that? I think it is stupid to say "oh no we are so poor". Everyone else is getting rich and we are gettng poorer. The fact is that that is entirely false and that most of the world lives in similar coniditions and as the population grows living coniditions are not improving. And the people that have power to fix it will not. So why do we have to have a thread every month that says- I can't believe how poor some people are? :shock:

[bacha]

My point is I am right and he is wrong. :lol: You just came to this thread to clarify that?
You are right in what sense? I just want to know your opinion.

[melo]

You are right in what sense? I just want to know your opinion.

It is just old to see that people are so shocked by this. It makes me wonder what bubble people live in. And even more surprising that we have users that think most of the world does not live in such difficult conditions.

[bacha]

My point is I am right and he is wrong. :lol: You just came to this thread to clarify that? I think it is stupid to say "oh no we are so poor". Everyone else is getting rich and we are gettng poorer. The fact is that that is entirely false and that most of the world lives in similar coniditions and as the population grows living coniditions are not improving. And the people that have power to fix it will not. So why do we have to have a thread every month that says- I can't believe how poor some people are? :shock:
So instead of saying `Oh no, we are so poor`, which actually has different form here(we discuss causes, results, solutions), what should we do?

[bacha]

I think humans are too selfish to worry about anyone else. So I guess the answer is if people don't like it they need to fix their own problems. If people don't mind they will keep living like that. You can't go saving people that didn't ask for your help.
You confused me. From one hand you think people are `too selfish`. From the other, you are recommending people to `fix their own problems` and that they `can`t go saving` others. So, by your definition selfish people, like the ones here, try to fix problems of others first, and try to go saving people even if they didn`t ask for help. :)

[Пушкарева]

The answer is pretty simple, I think.

1) Accross the globe, there exists the rural vs. urbal imbalance. And its always been so: rural areas are relatively less developed than urban cities that are the centers of political, cultural and economic activity. That's the general point;

2) Uzbekistan, as any other FSU country experiencing hardship of transition and therefore deficit of state resources, cannot maintain the appropriate rural infrastructure. That's a specific answer;

3) My question: was the situation as bad during Soviet time, or did it deteriorate afterwards?

[melo]

The answer is pretty simple, I think.

1) Accross the globe, there exists the rural vs. urbal imbalance. And its always been so: rural areas are relatively less developed than urban cities that are the centers of political, cultural and economic activity. That's the general point;

2) Uzbekistan, as any other FSU country experiencing hardship of transition and therefore deficit of state resources, cannot maintain the appropriate rural infrastructure. That's a specific answer;

3) My question: was the situation as bad during Soviet time, or did it deteriorate afterwards?

1)Many urban areas have some of the world's worst living conditions so that is not entirely true.

2)And I don't believe it is a lack of resources as much as it is a misallocation of resources to a few. Some people can import random things from around the world, while others do not have clean water.

[Пушкарева]

Well, individuals, i.e. ordinary citizens can make changes/support development, but at micro level. I do agree, our people are laid back, but they cannot provide mass electricity, water and other infrastructure themselves.

That's responsibility ogf the state to pave major roads, bring water and electricity to the rural areas. Further, community based initiatives can make a difference, if they really want to.

Sorry I will slow it down for you. :lol: People are selfish and only look out for themselves. So if you have a problem, guess who needs to really worry about fixing it? If the individual with the problem does nothing to change their situation then nobody else will either. And sorry to cnfuse you, but not everyone in the world's 7 billion population are exactly the same. Some wish to help others. And even this is not effective because you can not help people who are not helping themselves. And the wealty generally need the poor to maintain their lifestyle so that is another factor affecting the overall world's living conidtions.

[melo]

Well, individuals, i.e. ordinary citizens can make changes/support development, but at micro level. I do agree, our people are laid back, but they cannot provide mass electricity, water and other infrastructure themselves.

That's responsibility of the state to pave major roads, bring water and electricity to the rural areas. Further, community based initiatives can make a difference, if they really want to.

The infratsructure was in place, but is eroding. And many times it was not created for such a booming population. I also believe it was never intended to power so many things. I would guess it was originally started for light ony. I also believe the electiricty exists, but is cut when people run a large enough debt. Paving roads is not higher technology nor a need.
Water, on the other hand, is a unquestionable necessity. Again I think the infrastructure had been created but has fallen apart due to lack of maintenance or interest. :shock: Not having any source of water is the most frustrating thing to live with.

[Vezunchik]

Ya hochu sprosit u vas (bez vsyakih podvohov i zadni`h mi`sley!):

Dopustim vi` bedni`y chelovek, jivushiy v dalyokom kishlake v odnom iz oblasti Uzbekistana.
Vi` doljni` vi`brat Ministra ekanomiki ili Finansov. I ot vashego vi`bora zavisit kto stanet ministrom.

est 3 kandidaturi`:

1. Vash rodstvennik (amaki, tog`a, aka-uka)- zakonchil SAMPI (ili yurfak ili Vostochku ili Transportni`y), dolgo i horosho rabotal na postu Predsedatelya Kolhoza, a potom i tuman hokimi. V ekonomike pochti tolkom ne razbirayetsya, no Shustri`y, strogiy i umeet nakrichat na vseh i zastavit horosho rabotat. Hochet esho dalshe podnyatsya.

2. Sovsem ne znakomi`y chelovek dlya vas, jivushiy v sovsem drugom oblasti - zakonchil Narhoz ili Diplomatiyu, v ekanomike horosho razbirayetsya, gramotni`y. No, ne strogiy. Ne karrerist, no ochen otvetstvenni`y.

3. Inostranets (hotya po natsionalnosti Uzbek, kotori`y davni`m davno emmigriroval za kardon), kotori`y mojet poluchit nash passport - Ochen znameniti`y ekonomist na zapade. Ochen silni`y Demokrat. Liberalni`y chelovek.

Kogo vi` vi`berite na doljnost Ministra, esli chestno???

mne kajetsya 90% uzbekov vi`berut 1-variant. A posle etogo udevlyayutsya, pochemu mi` takie bedni`e???:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:
Otvet: potomu chto, mi` zaslujivayem bi`t bedni`m. Mi` sami delayem vsegda nepravilni`y vi`bor, osnovi`vayas na svoih egoistichni`h predpochteniyah. v rezultate i gaza i elektichestva esho dolga ne budet. Za to budet Koleggi i Litseyi.

[ДЖИГИТ]

v blizhayshem buduschem vodnaya problema stanet global'noy problemoy, zhiznenno vazhnoy dlya stran C. Azii vklyuchayu i Uzbekistan. Iz-za global'nogo potepleniya gornie ledniki Pamira, Tyan-Shanya, kotorie pitayut vsyu CA rastayut i nastanet rezkiy defitsit ne tol'ko oroshaemoy vodi, no i pit'evoy. Vodu budut prodavat' po tsene veroyatno bol'she chem benzina. Eto predvideli escho v sovetskie vremena, i SSSR planirovalo escho togda povernut' sibirskie reki v tsentral'nuyu Aziyu. No segodnyashnyaya geopolitika etogo ne pozvolit, i ne zhelatel'no radi odnoy katastrofi, sozdavat' druguyu.

Problema ne tol'ko v rinke, no i v prirode resursov.

A esli tsentral'no aziatskie reki i vidoyomi visohnut, to ne budet i gidro-elektrostantsiy, a znachit rezkiy defitsit elektroenergii. prirodnogo gaza zhdyot podobnaya sud'ba.

[Uyyonli]

Well, individuals, i.e. ordinary citizens can make changes/support development, but at micro level. I do agree, our people are laid back, but they cannot provide mass electricity, water and other infrastructure themselves.

That's responsibility ogf the state to pave major roads, bring water and electricity to the rural areas. Further, community based initiatives can make a difference, if they really want to.
Now since Uzbekistan have 27.3 million people we should start urbanising rural countriside lifestile to modern street stile rayons just like soviets did. (massivly) because it costs cheaper. we save lands, we save energy, and people start developing a little better societies.
We don't have enough water to supply all the rural areas of the country, even trying that would be a waste of energy.
Second why do we have univercities, academies researching new stuff but has not come up with a better solutions?

[Пушкарева]

Because any research and development requires huge money and yet more to implement the innovations.


Now since Uzbekistan have 27.3 million people we should start urbanising rural countriside lifestile to modern street stile rayons just like soviets did. (massivly) because it costs cheaper. we save lands, we save energy, and people start developing a little better societies.
We don't have enough water to supply all the rural areas of the country, even trying that would be a waste of energy.
Second why do we have univercities, academies researching new stuff but has not come up with a better solutions?

[Uyyonli]

Because any research and development requires huge money and yet more to implement the innovations.

how did you learn so much english? Bravo. been in the Army with these Yankees and still don't know much?

[melo]

Because any research and development requires huge money and yet more to implement the innovations.

Not necessarily. Depends on what kind of changes we are talking about.

[kitayoza]

Uzr maroqli suhbatiylarni orasidan kirdim.
O'zi qaerda suv, gaz yo' ekan?
Toshkentdami?
Otapitelniy sezon kepqoldide, nega qayg'urasila. Bu normalno. 15 kun yuvinmay tursayla, o'tib ketadi.:D

[Пушкарева]

ti chto travki kakoi naelsya?


Im just rolling on the floor reading your points. Especially the last one!:lol:

It seems like you are an educated and a grown up girl, but your so-called "points" tell all about that in you. You really dont know the answer to your third question? you really dont? really? :)

Now stop bullshitting, bring me a sandwich from the nearest fast food instead. Cuz this is what you are good at. ;)

[melo]

Hmmmdeee...are there any other moron like this one who thinks that way?

how about you yourself not taking a shower for 15 days? (although I believe you dont reading your post)

You may need anger counseling. Why are you so angry at everyone? I do not see anyone saying anything bad to you.

I can say from experience you don't die after 15 days without showering. :lol:

[bacha]

uzbekcfa, Respect! :)

[Uyyonli]

You may need anger counseling. Why are you so angry at everyone? I do not see anyone saying anything bad to you.

I can say from experience you don't die after 15 days without showering. :lol:
you will be pretty Stinky though!!!

[kitayoza]

Hmmmdeee...are there any other moron like this one who thinks that way?

how about you yourself not taking a shower for 15 days? (although I believe you dont reading your post)

Bechora uzr. Bunaqa bo'lishni hohlamagan edim. Rostdan aytdimde, o'zi har doim bahoru kuzda shunaqa qilishadide. Nima qilaylik. Ahir biz kichkina odammizku. "15 kun Issiq suv bo'maganiga uy haqi va issiq suv haqqini to'lamaymiz" deb qancha ovara bo'madik. Ularga farqi yo'. Ohir oqibatda 6ta 0 lik hisoblar bo'b ketyapti.
Manimchali oshalarning kasofatiga odamlar o'z vaqtida pul to'lamaydi, shu bilan davlat g'aznasiga pul tushmaydi.
Shunaqalarga qarshi qandaydur yuridik chora ko'rish kereyde.

A tak sizning postizni Googledan tarjima qildimu ammo bari bir tushunmadim nega bann berilganini:

Hmmmdeee ... существуют ли какие-либо другие moron так, кто считает, что путь?

о том, как Вы сами не принимая душ в течение 15 дней? (хотя я считаю, Вы не чтение своего сообщения):rolleyes:

[Qizaloq]

MissDiva mana kecha bizni qishloqqa issiq suv keldi :)
O`zingga shukuR ! Lekin hech nolimiman, bitta bo`masa,bittasi borku, istib yoki sovutib uyda ish qilaman, juda bo`masa ko`chadan chelakda suv opchiqaman :)