Chemistry between Two

[Shambles]

Davayte porazmyshlyayem o himii... Ne o kislotah i valentnosti, a o chelovecheskoy himii vzaimootnosheniy...

Mojno li "vyrabotat'" himiyu mejdu dvumya lyud'mi ili net? Ili eto chto-to iz serii: libo himiya yest', libo yeye net??? Mojno li normal'no sosuschestvovat' lyudyam bez himii??? Yesli da, to kak?

[alpum]

что за химия, Шемблес???

Может все таки биология)))

[Shambles]

что за химия, Шемблес???

Может все таки биология)))


Mojno konechno i v fiziku vse prevratit', a pri jelanii i v fizicheskuyu kul'turu:D, no, v dannom sluchae, himiyu mojno perefrazirovat' kak "prityajenie"...

Ya smog ob'yasnit', Alpum?

[kipchak]

чем старше становлюсь, тем меньше верю в химию так как все реже случается.

[lilbit]

чем старше становлюсь, тем меньше верю в химию так как все реже случается.
tak na chashe starat'sya nado! Staranie i trud - vse peretrut :D))))

zachem virabativat' chto to. Esli prisutstvuyet reakciya, znachit process ne izbejen. Dobavlenie katalizatora mojet uskorit' process, no . . . sozdat' ego s nulya - net.

[alpum]

Mojno konechno i v fiziku vse prevratit', a pri jelanii i v fizicheskuyu kul'turu:D, no, v dannom sluchae, himiyu mojno perefrazirovat' kak "prityajenie"...
Ya smog ob'yasnit', Alpum?

Да придельно ясно! это по типу: Я с тобой, погороду автобус пустой.

Воин должен освободить себя от химия - тогда он будет настоящим воином.

а мужчина это воин.

[Minomonta]

Davayte porazmyshlyayem o himii... Ne o kislotah i valentnosti, a o chelovecheskoy himii vzaimootnosheniy...

Mojno li "vyrabotat'" himiyu mejdu dvumya lyud'mi ili net? Ili eto chto-to iz serii: libo himiya yest', libo yeye net??? Mojno li normal'no sosuschestvovat' lyudyam bez himii??? Yesli da, to kak?


Dumayu, chto "himiya" - ona est', no ee ne vyrabotaesh. Ona ili est', ili ee net; glavnoe ponyat' eto. A ponimaem mi obichno v processe obsheniya s tem ili inim chelovekom.
Ne mogu skazat' , chto bez "ximii" jit' nelzya, konechno mojno t.k. u kajdogo cheloveka svoi cennosti v etom mire i svoy smisl jizni.
Tak naprimer dlya kogo - to "lubit' " oznachaet - nakormit', napoit', odet', predostavit' jilyo...
A dlya drugix "lubit' " - eto udovletvorit' potrebnosti lubimigo; kogda emu hochetsya pit' - ti nalyosh emu vodi, kogda on bolen - pozabotishsya o ego zdorov'e, kogda on oshibsya - ukajesh pravilniy put', kogda stradaet - podderjish i uteshish ....
Vozvrashayas k teme, hochu skazat' to, chto "ximiya" - eto vnutrennyaya garmoniya mejdu lud'mi, kotoraya sposobstvuet proisxojdeniyu ximicheskix reakciy v nashey dushe.
Literatura, pesni, mifi ludey kul'tur raznix civilizaciy govoryat o tom, chto lubov/strast'/ mejdu ludmi eto vsego lish FIZICHESKOE yavlenie , no ya veryu vsyo je v XIMIYU, tak je kak i v FIZIKU otnosheniy :) - " Zakon sili prityajeniya i ottalkivaniya"

Nikogda ne boites' poexperimentirovat'!!!

[Shambles]

Kak vi sami schitaete?
u vas kogda nibud' bili otnosheniya bez himii?
esli da, to ya smelo nazovu vas cherstvim!
kogda b'yotsa serdce, tyajelo dishat', i hochetsa videt cheloveka snovo i snovo, vot eto himiya.
A esli ON(ONA) est'-horosho, a kogda EGO(EYO) net-toje nichego, vot eto uje hren znaet chto...

Spasibo za Vash jenskiy maximalistkiy otvet. Dumayu, kak by eto ujasno ne prozvuchalo dlya prekrasnoy poloviny chelovechestva, a mnogie mujchiny (ne vse) nachinayut otnosheniya i bez himii, yesli odno uslovie soblyudayetsya, a imenno, privlekatel'naya vneshnost' devushki... Eto potom uje viyasnyayetsya, chto lyudi ne dva sapoga para, ne prednaznachenne drug drugu i t.d. U devushek je himiya stoit na pervom meste, hotya opyat'-taki ne budem obobschat' (ne u vseh pogolovno)...

Byli li u menya otnosheniya bez himii??? Bylo, chto nachinalos' bez himii, kogda ya naivno polagal, chto vneshnost' plus intellekt dva dostatochno sil'nyh faktora, no zatem otsutstvie himii igralo svoyu rol' i my rashodilis' kak v more korabli... A bylo tak, chto himiya vnezapno poyavlyalas' vposledstvii... Tak chto ne vse tak prosto...

A nazyvat' Vy menya mojete, kak Vam zablagorassuditsya...;)

[Shambles]

Да придельно ясно! это по типу: Я с тобой, погороду автобус пустой.

Воин должен освободить себя от химия - тогда он будет настоящим воином.

а мужчина это воин.

Alpum, ty yesche pod vpechatleniem ot prosmotra fil'ma Bodrova "Mongol"??? :D:D:D

[alpum]

Alpum, ty yesche pod vpechatleniem ot prosmotra fil'ma Bodrova "Mongol"??? :D:D:D


Да нет, есть понятие Война - по Кастанеда.

Согласно которому, каждый мужчина воин, и должен проити свой путь - У него есть такая книга Путь война.

[eBouncer]

Да нет, есть понятие Война - по Кастанеда.

Согласно которому, каждый мужчина воин, и должен проити свой путь - У него есть такая книга Путь война.

Strong force is with young Luke Skywalker :)
http://www.yodaspeak.co.uk/yoda.png

[Shambles]

A eto uje iz drugoy istorii ;) (imeyu vvidu kak nazvat', no vi je ponimaete chto eto shutka bila)
Deystvitel'no ne vse tak prosto...
Ya dumayu chto bez himii mojno sushestvovat' sovmestno, imenno sushestvovat', no ne schitaete li vi chto bez vzaimnogo pritajeniya, otnosheniya ne dolgosrochni?

Schitayu... No yest' odna problema, nekotorie lyudi vsyu jizn' ischut i ne nahodyat cheloveka so shojey himiyey... Im kak byt'??? Iskat' i nadeyat'sya???

[Ephialtes]

Da eto tochno... nekotorie ushut i ishut,
mne interesno a chto esli naprimer vi jenitis' bez himii a potom vstretite devushku s kotoroy u vas budet himiya? chto v takom sluchae delat'?

I think most american Romance films are about the same problem and in the end, the wo/man leaves to the one s/he fell in love. In my life, I have faced the same thing, the thing was, I wasn't married but seeing someone. But then I met a girl. She had something that pulled me to her. It's not only her physical look, I can't explain what it was, but it was very nice.

[Shambles]

Da eto tochno... nekotorie ushut i ishut,
mne interesno a chto esli naprimer vi jenitis' bez himii a potom vstretite devushku s kotoroy u vas budet himiya? chto v takom sluchae delat'?

Horoshiy vopros... Ya nadeyus', chto ya jenyus' "s himiyey", no predpolojim, chto vse budet po Vashemu stsenariyu... Togda... Yesli moya jena budet mne interesna vo vseh otnosheniyah (no bez himii), to ya nasil'no zastavlyu sebya zabyt' o toy, s kot' u menya yest' himiya... Yesli je moya jena mne budet neinteresna, togda vejlivo yey ob'yasnyu, chto my ne sovsem para i ya nashel tu, kot. yavlyayetsya dlya menya paroy, no my (ya i moya jena) vpolne mojem sohranit' chelovecheskie otnosheniya... Kstati, yesli ona v odin prekrasniy den' pridet i skajet, chto nashla svoyego "himicheskogo" cheloveka, to ya yeye poymu...

Zachem muchat'sya oboim, ne pravda li?

[Mirage]

Byli li u menya otnosheniya bez himii??? Bylo, chto nachinalos' bez himii, kogda ya naivno polagal, chto vneshnost' plus intellekt dva dostatochno sil'nyh faktora, no zatem otsutstvie himii igralo svoyu rol' i my rashodilis' kak v more korabli... A bylo tak, chto himiya vnezapno poyavlyalas' vposledstvii... Tak chto ne vse tak prosto...

A nazyvat' Vy menya mojete, kak Vam zablagorassuditsya...;)

извените за столь глупые вопросы, но я всетаки не поняла что же такое ХИМИЯ отношений? и как оно может быть сразу? ведь для всякой реакции в химии для начала нужно притяжение, как с катионами и анионами. или вы пытаетесь понять суть, составить основу ( структуру) взаимотношений между людьми, в данном случае противоположных полов?
если сама химия приходит сразу же, то не правильнее ли будет её назвать магнетизмом, или же притягательностью? Если нет, то как узнать что у вас ХИМИЯ к тому или иному человеку?:rolleyes::)

[Ephialtes]

does this story has an end?

Yes. Then I started going out with the one I new met and later on we moved in together. We lived a very happy life. It's hard to explain but we were perfect for each other nevertheless, there were things that kept us apart from each other. Back then I never thought I loved her neither she did. We never called it love. People were jealous of us, even some of my close friends, because I was so into her. I gave her all a girl may ever want and she gave me all a guy may dream of. I may even call that relationship perfect. But, later, my life had turned upside-down and I showed some weakness. I thought, it would be great if we didn't see each other until I stand on my feet. I made one of the biggest mistakes... Then, we couldn't somehow come together. I was going crazy, I then knew I how much I loved her and how much I'm ready to tell her million times "I love you". Unfortunately, that didn't happen. Afterwards, I left for the places far from her, far from home. (it's not because of her, it had been planned long ago, even before her) Well, when I went to Uzbekistan, I met her and she told me she was seeing someone, but confessed that I was her true love (for the first time). I told her that I loved her too, and maybe still do. Then what she told me astounded me. She said we probably would never be together again but whenever I want she would be there for me and even make love to me if I want to. That night we spent together, just sitting and talking. Then, I had to leave again. I now can say one thing: I always and never love her. I will always and never be there for her. It may sound strange, but someone who have ever faced things I have will understand me.

[Shambles]

извените за столь глупые вопросы, но я всетаки не поняла что же такое ХИМИЯ отношений? и как оно может быть сразу? ведь для всякой реакции в химии для начала нужно притяжение, как с катионами и анионами. или вы пытаетесь понять суть, составить основу ( структуру) взаимотношений между людьми, в данном случае противоположных полов?
если сама химия приходит сразу же, то не правильнее ли будет её назвать магнетизмом, или же притягательностью? Если нет, то как узнать что у вас ХИМИЯ к тому или иному человеку?:rolleyes::)

Voprosy absolyutno neglupie, skoree podhody akademicheskie...

Naprimer, paren' i devushka znakomyatsya, perekidyvayutsya paroy slov i chuvstvuyut vlechenie drug k drugu (ne obyazatel'no tol'ko fizicheskoye)... Eto iz serii "himiya srazu"... A byvayet, chto lyudi rabotayut v odnom ofise mesyatstami i nichego ne zamechayut, zatem vo vremya kakoy-to korporativnoy vecherinki obnarujivayut vzaimnoe prityajenie... Eto iz serii "himiya popozje"...:)

Magnetizmom nazvat', navernoe, nel'zya, t.k eto lish' forma vzaimodeystviya dvijuschihsya elektricheskih zaryadov, a eto k nashim primeram vryad li podhodit.

Himiyu uznat' dovol'no prosto... Yesli Vam ooochen' komfortno v kompanii s kakim-to chelovekom, Vy chuvstvuyete vlechenie (opyat'-taki ne tol'ko fizicheskoye) i Vam nravitsya to, kak chelovek dumayet, iz'yasnyayetsya, etc., to u Vas himiya nalitso... Tol'ko ne putayte s lyubov'yu, himiya lish' horoshaya predposylka, no yesche ne lyubov'...

[Shambles]

Yes. Then I started going out with the one I new met and later on we moved in together. We lived a very happy life. It's hard to explain but we were perfect for each other nevertheless, there were things that kept us apart from each other. Back then I never thought I loved her neither she did. We never called it love. People were jealous of us, even some of my close friends, because I was so into her. I gave her all a girl may ever want and she gave me all a guy may dream of. I may even call that relationship perfect. But, later, my life had turned upside-down and I showed some weakness. I thought, it would be great if we didn't see each other until I stand on my feet. I made one of the biggest mistakes... Then, we couldn't somehow come together. I was going crazy, I then knew I how much I loved her and how much I'm ready to tell her million times "I love you". Unfortunately, that didn't happen. Afterwards, I left for the places far from her, far from home. (it's not because of her, it had been planned long ago, even before her) Well, when I went to Uzbekistan, I met her and she told me she was seeing someone, but confessed that I was her true love (for the first time). I told her that I loved her too, and maybe still do. Then what she told me astounded me. She said we probably would never be together again but whenever I want she would be there for me and even make love to me if I want to. That night we spent together, just sitting and talking. Then, I had to leave again. I now can say one thing: I always and never love her. I will always and never be there for her. It may sound strange, but someone who have ever faced things I have will understand me.

I thought that this kind of story happens only in Hollywood!!! Nice story!!!

[lips]

Hi, how are you?
I'm just curious, are you still with her? The way the story goes is that you are not in love with her but just attracted to her. Maybe its your pheremones working? Now that you are far away from her, have you found the one you love?



I think most american Romance films are about the same problem and in the end, the wo/man leaves to the one s/he fell in love. In my life, I have faced the same thing, the thing was, I wasn't married but seeing someone. But then I met a girl. She had something that pulled me to her. It's not only her physical look, I can't explain what it was, but it was very nice.

[Ephialtes]

Hi, how are you?
I'm just curious, are you still with her? The way the story goes is that you are not in love with her but just attracted to her. Maybe its your pheremones working? Now that you are far away from her, have you found the one you love?

Well, it's very kind of you to ask this question. I never mind answering it. Well, 20th post may give an answer to your question, still I will try answer it shortly. Well, the girl I met and who accidentally attracted me became my love and I still love her. But, as I mentioned we aren't together. Since we broke up, I'm not going out with anyone. It's not because I feel desperate, I feel very well, but I just didn't met someone who could make me feel the way she did. I like quality not quantity. When you kiss someone and you don't get something that takes you high, why to waste your energy. With that girl, we did everything insatiably. We have a record. We kissed without stopping more than 1,5 hours. But it felt for us like a couple of minutes, since we both eagerly wanted it. Besides, I can't forget the way she looked into my eyes. There was real Love.

[crescent]

hmm.. interesting.. I have experienced chemistry of this kind.. but as the person, whom i had this chemistry for, starts making approaches towards me this chemistry just fades away and I escape from the sight as well.. that's why I don't want any kind of relationship, i know that i can't maintain it.

[The Reaper]

But, later, my life had turned upside-down and I showed some weakness. I thought, it would be great if we didn't see each other until I stand on my feet. I made one of the biggest mistakes...

I don't know what exactly do you mean by weakness, but prioritizing your life in order to "stand on your feet", sometimes at a price of personal relationships is neither a weakness, nor a mistake. Give yourself some credit.

Well, when I went to Uzbekistan, I met her and she told me she was seeing someone, but confessed that I was her true love (for the first time). I told her that I loved her too, and maybe still do. Then what she told me astounded me. She said we probably would never be together again but whenever I want she would be there for me and even make love to me if I want to.

BTW, you do know what you call women who date someone, but screw around on their back, don't you?

Doesn't matter how you look at it, if she said that she was willing to have sex with you, while dating someone else, she's a cheating whore. Period.

She might have done the same thing to you behind your back.

Think about it, thank God that you're not that poor schmuck she's dating now, and move on.

TR

[The Reaper]

hmm.. interesting.. I have experienced chemistry of this kind.. but as the person, whom i had this chemistry for, starts making approaches towards me this chemistry just fades away and I escape from the sight as well.. that's why I don't want any kind of relationship, i know that i can't maintain it.

I guess that really depends on the way a guy approaches you.

Can you elaborate more as to what generally was the turn-off moment for you?

TR

[crescent]

I guess that really depends on the way a guy approaches you.

Can you elaborate more as to what generally was the turn-off moment for you?

TR

There are lots of things that can make the chemistry in me go off. It can happen when I find out any vice in a person though i know that i'm not perfect at all. It can happen when a person starts being whimsical, though i know that in relationship ppl should gratify each others whims. It can happen when a person starts being authocratic, though I hate milk-toast ones! It can happen even at a second a person invites me to the first date. It goes to infinity.. :?

[Shambles]

There are lots of things that can make the chemistry in me go off. It can happen when I find out any vice in a person though i know that i'm not perfect at all. It can happen when a person starts being whimsical, though i know that in relationship ppl should gratify each others whims. It can happen when a person starts being authocratic, though I hate milk-toast ones! It can happen even at a second a person invites me to the first date. It goes to infinity.. :?

Now you are being whimsical, aren't you???:D

[crescent]

Now you are being whimsical, aren't you???:D

Well.. :D I don' deny it, probably this is the explanation for everything.. but unfortunately i can't change it.

[Shambles]

Nedavno prochital, chto bez himii jit' schastlivo mogut ooochen' mudrie lyudi, kot. filosofski podhodyat ko mnogim voprosam... Kto-nibud' soglasen s etim??

[1985eva]

Nedavno prochital, chto bez himii jit' schastlivo mogut ooochen' mudrie lyudi, kot. filosofski podhodyat ko mnogim voprosam... Kto-nibud' soglasen s etim??

Da, a eshyo samodostatochnie lyudi.

[Shambles]

Da, a eshyo samodostatochnie lyudi.

Ms Precious One,

kajetsya mne, chto Vy bez himii projit' moGYOte...:D

[1985eva]

Ms Precious One,

kajetsya mne, chto Vy bez himii projit' moGYOte...:D

Ya podelilas' svoim nablyudeniem...Ne obyazatel'no vsegda pro sebya pisat' kogda na posti otvechaesh'. :)

[Shambles]

Ya podelilas' svoim nablyudeniem...Ne obyazatel'no vsegda pro sebya pisat' kogda na posti otvechaesh'. :)

A ya podelilsya svoim...:D

[1985eva]

A ya podelilsya svoim...:D

Da? A spasibo, teper' budu znat'. Nado je nikogda bi ne podumala esli bi vi ne podelilis' svoim mneniem obo MNE i XIMII. Bivayut okazivaetsya v jizni blagoslovennie momenti...:cool:

[Shambles]

Da? A spasibo, teper' budu znat'. Nado je nikogda bi ne podumala esli bi vi ne podelilis' svoim mneniem obo MNE i XIMII. Bivayut okazivaetsya v jizni blagoslovennie momenti...:cool:

Kushayte na zdorov'ye... Ya mnogim v jizni pomog "zahimichit", da blagoslaven ya budu...:D:D:D

[1985eva]

Kushayte na zdorov'ye... Ya mnogim v jizni pomog "zahimichit", da blagoslaven ya budu...:D:D:D

Ne sovsem ponyala chto vi hoteli skazat' etoy frazoy.Krome konechno togo chto vi dovol'ni soboy.

Provocator vi, odnako, Mr.Shambles. Nice try.

[Unique]

Недавно прочитал, что без химии жить счастливо могут ооочень мудрые люди, кот. философски подходят ко многим вопросам... Кто-нибудь согласен с этим??

которые мудрецы жили счастливо без химии? у вас есть примеры? :)

[Shambles]

Ne sovsem ponyala chto vi hoteli skazat' etoy frazoy.Krome konechno togo chto vi dovol'ni soboy.

Provocator vi, odnako, Mr.Shambles. Nice try.

Nu nichego-nichego, komu seychas legko...;)

[Shambles]

которые мудрецы жили счастливо без химии? у вас есть примеры? :)

Net, k sojaleniyu, u menya primerov net... Ya prosto prochital gde-to v Nete pro eto i reshil sprosit', znayete li Vy primery...

[1985eva]

Nu nichego-nichego, komu seychas legko...;)
Kstati, u Vas kakaya-to chrezmernaya ozabochennost' muj.-jen. otnosheniyami. Pochti ekslyuzivno.Neujeli tak priperlo?
Vsego lish nablyudenie, moye.

[Shambles]

Kstati, u Vas kakaya-to chrezmernaya ozabochennost' muj.-jen. otnosheniyami. Pochti ekslyuzivno.Neujeli tak priperlo?
Vsego lish nablyudenie, moye.

Menya bol'she interesuyet psihologicheskaya storona etih otnosheniy... Psihologiya - moya slabost'...

No Vashe nablyudenie ne sovsem verno, t.k. menya interesuyet football, yumor i various development issues among others...

Vsego lish' otvetil, Ms. Precious One...;)

[1985eva]

Menya bol'she interesuyet psihologicheskaya storona etih otnosheniy... Psihologiya - moya slabost'...

No Vashe nablyudenie ne sovsem verno, t.k. menya interesuyet football, yumor i various development issues among others...

Vsego lish' otvetil, Ms. Precious One...;)

Na to ono i nablyudenie. Da ladno, v etom net nichego predosuditel'nogo. Komu shas legko...:cool:

[Shambles]

Na to ono i nablyudenie. Da ladno, v etom net nichego predosuditel'nogo. Komu shas legko...:cool:

Konechno, konechno, nablyudatel'naya Vy moya...:D Anytime delites' so mnoyu svoimi nablyudeniyami, mne interesno nablyudat' za nablyudeniyami lyudey...:cool:

[1985eva]

Konechno, konechno, nablyudatel'naya Vy moya...:D Anytime delites' so mnoyu svoimi nablyudeniyami, mne interesno nablyudat' za nablyudeniyami lyudey...:cool:
"Nablyudatel'naya" khe-khe "Vasha"...?
Chto za sklonnost' prityagatel'niye mestoimeniya ispol'zovat' s neznakomimi sobesednikami protivopolojnogo pola? Eto po Freydu? Prostite, ya ne sil'na v Psihologii. Eto "vasha slabost'."...

[Shambles]

"Nablyudatel'naya" khe-khe "Vasha"...?
Chto za sklonnost' prityagatel'niye mestoimeniya ispol'zovat' s neznakomimi sobesednikami protivopolojnogo pola? Eto po Freydu? Prostite, ya ne sil'na v Psihologii. Eto "vasha slabost'."...


Ms. Precious One, nikakogo Freyda, Fromma i Junga... Tam byl legkiy nalet sarkazma (absolyutno bezobidnogo), ne bolee togo... Ne nado prinimat' vse vshtyki, moya nablyudatel'naya...;)

[1985eva]

Ms. Precious One, nikakogo Freyda, Fromma i Junga... Tam byl legkiy nalet sarkazma (absolyutno bezobidnogo), ne bolee togo... Ne nado prinimat' vse vshtyki, moya nablyudatel'naya...;)

Eto bilo obobshennoe nablyudenie, i.e. "my dear", "my precious one", "moya nablyudatel'naya"...
A mne mojet nravitsya v shtiki prinimat'. Che eshyo ne zametili etogo. Bezobidnoe skuchnoe.

[Shambles]

Eto bilo obobshennoe nablyudenie, i.e. "my dear", "my precious one", "moya nablyudatel'naya"...
A mne mojet nravitsya v shtiki prinimat'. Che eshyo ne zametili etogo. Bezobidnoe skuchnoe.

Zametil, pyl yunosheskogo maximalisma b'yet v Vas klyuchom. Soglasen, deystvitel'no obijat' i provotsirovat' - bolee interesnoe zanyatie... No eto vse privodit k razrusheniyu himicheskih svyazey (eto chtoby hot' kak-to s temoy svyazat':)).

[1985eva]

Zametil, pyl yunosheskogo maximalisma b'yet v Vas klyuchom. Soglasen, deystvitel'no obijat' i provotsirovat' - bolee interesnoe zanyatie... No eto vse privodit k razrusheniyu himicheskih svyazey (eto chtoby hot' kak-to s temoy svyazat':)).

Komu kak Mr.Shambles.
Dlya vas veroyatno eto "obijat'", i veroyatno razrushitel'no.
A naschyot maximalisma, eto ne yunosheskoe, eto navsegda :)

[Shambles]

Komu kak Mr.Shambles.
Dlya vas veroyatno eto "obijat'", i veroyatno razrushitel'no.
A naschyot maximalisma, eto ne yunosheskoe, eto navsegda :)

Eeeeh, gde moya molodst'...:D Ya v svoye vremya dumal tochno tak je... :D An net, s vozrastom stanovish'sya bolee terpimey... Vy tol'ko seychas ne spor'te, a cherez nekotoroe vremya (u vseh po-raznomu, no ni u kogo ne dlinoyu v jizn') okajetes' v etih interesnih mestah i s etimi interesnimi myslyami, Ms. Precious One... Takova uj chelovecheskaya psihologiya i v etom voprose Vy mojete mne doveryat'...:cool:

[1985eva]

Eeeeh, gde moya molodst'...:D Ya v svoye vremya dumal tochno tak je... :D An net, s vozrastom stanovish'sya bolee terpimey... Vy tol'ko seychas ne spor'te, a cherez nekotoroe vremya (u vseh po-raznomu, no ni u kogo ne dlinoyu v jizn') okajetes' v etih interesnih mestah i s etimi interesnimi myslyami, Ms. Precious One... Takova uj chelovecheskaya psihologiya i v etom voprose Vy mojete mne doveryat'...:cool:
Uvajayu Vash opit, no iskrenne nadeyus' chto maximalism i idealism ne pokinut.
Slishkom uj ostal'noe zinichno.

[Shambles]

Uvajayu Vash opit, no iskrenne nadeyus' chto maximalism i idealism ne pokinut.
Slishkom uj ostal'noe zinichno.

Maximalism - ne ochen' horoshaya vesch' na samom dele... Maximalism lishen gibkosti, a poterya gibkosti v svoyu ochered' vedet k upertosti, chto ne yest' horosho, de facto... Idealism - vesch' horoshaya, no proklyatyie tsiniki razbivayut i lomayut vospriyatie idealistov rano ili pozdno... Mirom pravyat tsiniki i s etim ne posporish'... Grustno!!!

[1985eva]

Maximalism - ne ochen' horoshaya vesch' na samom dele... Maximalism lishen gibkosti, a poterya gibkosti v svoyu ochered' vedet k upertosti, chto ne yest' horosho, de facto... Idealism - vesch' horoshaya, no proklyatyie tsiniki razbivayut i lomayut vospriyatie idealistov rano ili pozdno... Mirom pravyat tsiniki i s etim ne posporish'... Grustno!!!
Veroyatno v teorii.Na praktike maximalism i gibkost' mogut sosushetvovat'..
A naschyot pravit mirom- ne ziniki, a skoree postoyannaya tyaga mejdu idealistami i tzinikami.
A upertost' bivaet vrojdennoy i nikogda ne prohodit.

[Factory girl]

Maximalism - ne ochen' horoshaya vesch' na samom dele... Maximalism lishen gibkosti, a poterya gibkosti v svoyu ochered' vedet k upertosti, chto ne yest' horosho, de facto... Idealism - vesch' horoshaya, no proklyatyie tsiniki razbivayut i lomayut vospriyatie idealistov rano ili pozdno... Mirom pravyat tsiniki i s etim ne posporish'... Grustno!!!

soglasna mirom v dannoe vremya pravat cinniki, a takje soglashus' s mneniem chto v etom mire legche jivetsya esli ti8 cinnik i esli ti vosprinimaesh vsyo s legkoy ironiey...
no ya takje zametila takuyu zakonomernost', eslin daje chelovek i cinnik, emu ob etom tyajelo skazat', chelovek ne vosprinimaet istinnu kak takovuyu...
grustno, chertovski verno...
ya kogda sama vstrechayu cinnikov, mne na dushe tyajelo stanovitsya :(

[Shambles]

Veroyatno v teorii.Na praktike maximalism i gibkost' mogut sosushetvovat'..
A naschyot pravit mirom- ne ziniki, a skoree postoyannaya tyaga mejdu idealistami i tzinikami.
A upertost' bivaet vrojdennoy i nikogda ne prohodit.

Da, no v "tyage" poslednee slovo ostayetsya za tsynikami, kak eto ne priskorbno...

A Vy romantik, Ms. Precious One... Yesli Vy schitayete, chto maximalism i gibkost' mogut uspeshno sosuschestvovat', ne smeyu Vam perechit'...

[Factory girl]

Veroyatno v teorii.Na praktike maximalism i gibkost' mogut sosushetvovat'..
A naschyot pravit mirom- ne ziniki, a skoree postoyannaya tyaga mejdu idealistami i tzinikami.
A upertost' bivaet vrojdennoy i nikogda ne prohodit.

pover'te mne ne vsegda upertost' bivaet vrojdennoy,
inogda uportosti uchatsya...
mi lyudi a ne pcheli kotorie b'yutsya bez nadobnosti v steklo...
inogda v jizni tak prepret chto ob upertosti zabivaesh kak budto eyo i ne bilo...
eto nado kak govoritsya "na svoey shkure" ispitat"...
i mne takje kajetsya chto nichto v etom mire ne vechno,
ne zarekaytes'---pravil'noe slovo

[1985eva]

Da, no v "tyage" poslednee slovo ostayetsya za tsynikami, kak eto ne priskorbno...

A Vy romantik, Ms. Precious One... Yesli Vy schitayete, chto maximalism i gibkost' mogut uspeshno sosuschestvovat', ne smeyu Vam perechit'...

Romantik? Vozmojno. No ya ne govorila chto oni mogut "uspeshno" sosushestvovat'.:) Skoree mogut pitat'sya.:)

A tak rasstrelyat' nado vsex tzinikov! i Ura maximalismu!:)

[Shambles]

soglasna mirom v dannoe vremya pravat cinniki, a takje soglashus' s mneniem chto v etom mire legche jivetsya esli ti8 cinnik i esli ti vosprinimaesh vsyo s legkoy ironiey...
no ya takje zametila takuyu zakonomernost', eslin daje chelovek i cinnik, emu ob etom tyajelo skazat', chelovek ne vosprinimaet istinnu kak takovuyu...
grustno, chertovski verno...
ya kogda sama vstrechayu cinnikov, mne na dushe tyajelo stanovitsya :(

No tsyniki nujniy narod, kogda komu-to ploxo i nujen real'niy sovet... Ne rozovie ochki i nesbytochnie perspektivy, a gluhaya real'nost' - tut tsynikam ravnih net, na nogi postavyat bystro i operativno...

[Shambles]

A tak rasstrelyat' nado vsex tzinikov! i Ura maximalismu!:)

Easy, u nas moratoriy na smertnuyu kazn'...:D

[1985eva]

No tsyniki nujniy narod, kogda komu-to ploxo i nujen real'niy sovet... Ne rozovie ochki i nesbytochnie perspektivy, a gluhaya real'nost' - tut tsynikam ravnih net, na nogi postavyat bystro i operativno...
Esli chelovek sam ne realist, to emu eti soveti kak ob stenku gorox budut.
I eshyo bolee esli on upertiy.
Kstati, tziniki obichno soveti ne dayut. Oni usmekhayutsya sebe v usi.

[1985eva]

pover'te mne ne vsegda upertost' bivaet vrojdennoy,
inogda uportosti uchatsya...
mi lyudi a ne pcheli kotorie b'yutsya bez nadobnosti v steklo...
inogda v jizni tak prepret chto ob upertosti zabivaesh kak budto eyo i ne bilo...
eto nado kak govoritsya "na svoey shkure" ispitat"...
i mne takje kajetsya chto nichto v etom mire ne vechno,
ne zarekaytes'---pravil'noe slovo

Upertost', v smisle upryamost' obichno cherta haraktera cheloveka.Ego mojet jizn' lomat', no on ostanetsya upryamim.
To chto vi imeete vvidu eto drugoe. Kto-to zarekalsya? Net, virazila nadejdu, skoree.
Ne takaya uj pionerka.

[Shambles]

Esli chelovek sam ne realist, to emu eti soveti kak ob stenku gorox budut.
I eshyo bolee esli on upertiy.
Kstati, tziniki obichno soveti ne dayut. Oni usmekhayutsya sebe v usi.

Ne vse tsyniki - usatie i ne vse usatie - tsyniki...:D

Ya vstrechal paru ochen' tolkovih tsynikov-realistov... I upertosti v nih ne bylo, oni vosprinimali sut' veschey bez sheluhi.... Tak chto horoshie tsyniki vstrechayutsya, Ms Precious One...

[1985eva]

Ne vse tsyniki - usatie i ne vse usatie - tsyniki...:D

Ya vstrechal paru ochen' tolkovih tsynikov-realistov... I upertosti v nih ne bylo, oni vosprinimali sut' veschey bez sheluhi.... Tak chto horoshie tsyniki vstrechayutsya, Ms Precious One...

Kto skazal chto oni plokhie? Ih prosto nado rasstrelyat'.:)

Upertie- eto idealisti, a ne realisti/ziniki. A ziniki kak pravilo ochen' tolkovie, da molodzi.

[Shambles]

Kto skazal chto oni plokhie? Ih prosto nado rasstrelyat'.:)

Upertie- eto idealisti, a ne realisti/ziniki. A ziniki kak pravilo ochen' tolkovie, da molodzi.

Kto je Vam togda skajet, chto chernoe - eto chernoe, beloe- eto beloe, ploxoe-eto ploxoe i t.d.???

Idealisty ne upertie, oni obychno myagkie i dobrie sozdaniya, kot. jizn' ne brosala iz ugla v ugol... A tsyniki - eto materie rebyata, kot. rejut pravdu-matku...

[1985eva]

Kto je Vam togda skajet, chto chernoe - eto chernoe, beloe- eto beloe, ploxoe-eto ploxoe i t.d.???

Idealisty ne upertie, oni obychno myagkie i dobrie sozdaniya, kot. jizn' ne brosala iz ugla v ugol... A tsyniki - eto materie rebyata, kot. rejut pravdu-matku...

Very subjective statement.

[Shambles]

Very subjective statement.

Many subjective statements make up the objective one.

[1985eva]

Kto je Vam togda skajet, chto chernoe - eto chernoe, beloe- eto beloe, ploxoe-eto ploxoe i t.d.???

Idealisty ne upertie, oni obychno myagkie i dobrie sozdaniya, kot. jizn' ne brosala iz ugla v ugol... A tsyniki - eto materie rebyata, kot. rejut pravdu-matku...

Vi pravi: v molodosti bolshe idealisma, v zrelosti bolshe realisma dlya vsex. No vi ne uchli chto "personalities" delyatsya nezavisimo ot vozrasta i opita na idealistov i realistov, i tam na eshyo kogo-to.
Nepravilno obobshat' i govorit' chto vse molodie/neopitnie idealisti rozovie, a vse zrelie tzinniki kotorie zveta razlichayut.

[Factory girl]

Upertost', v smisle upryamost' obichno cherta haraktera cheloveka.Ego mojet jizn' lomat', no on ostanetsya upryamim.
To chto vi imeete vvidu eto drugoe. Kto-to zarekalsya? Net, virazila nadejdu, skoree.
Ne takaya uj pionerka.

net nikto ne zarekalsya.
prosto kogda kto-to chto-to s uverennostyu utverjdaet, obichno tak govoryat, proshu prosheniya esli ya upotrebila nepravil'noe virajenie
a esli seryozno posmotret' na eto: konechno je vse mi v kakoy-to mere cinniki
da upertost' v smise upryamost' eta cherta haraktera, no harakter vsegda menyaetsya, zavisit ot mnogih faktorov:vozrast, sreda v kotoroy jivesh, lyudi s kot. obshaeshsya
vse menaetsya... vot k primeru esli u vas budet muj bol'shim cinnikom, ya dumayu chto pereymete etu chertu u nego...
takje i s upertostyu, lyudi ne roboti i bivayut ustayut...
prosto poymite, vi molodi, polni upertosti i konechno vashi rassujdeniya ponyatni, ya sama moloda i ambiciozna, takje kak i uperta, poetomu mi mojem govorit' chto mol:eto navsegda
no est' lyudi, kotorie STOOL'KO v jizni povidali i im ne do upertosti
poetomu kogda Shambles govorit o takom faktore kak vremya i vozrast, ya s nim polnostyu soglasna
S vozrastom vse mirovozreniya menayetsya, i biloy zapal nemnogo potuhaet
zamechu chto ne vse takie, est' te kto po jizni ostanetsya upertim...
no davayte ne budem utverjdat', tak kak vse mi v etom mire rznie
S uvajeniem...

[Shambles]

Vi pravi: v molodosti bolshe idealisma, v zrelosti bolshe realisma dlya vsex. No vi ne uchli chto "personalities" delyatsya nezavisimo ot vozrasta i opita na idealistov i realistov, i tam na eshyo kogo-to.
Nepravilno obobshat' i govorit' chto vse molodie/neopitnie idealisti rozovie, a vse zrelie tzinniki kotorie zveta razlichayut.

Da i net... Ya govoril, chto s vozrastom stanovitsya men'she maximalisma, no ya ne govoril, chto vse idealisty molodiye... Eto duhovnoe sostoyanie, nezavisimo ot vozrasta, no... yesli chelovek jivet bezzabotnoy jizn'yu vsyu jizn' (proshu proscheniya za tavtologiyu), to vryad li yego idealizm budet snesen bul'dozerom tsynizma, a vot yesli zakonchenniy idealist popadet v real'nuyu myasorubku jizni, to vryad li on sohranit svoi rozoviye ochki, kakim upertym on by ne byl... No eto vse teoriya, a na praktike isklyucheniya ochen' daje vozmojny...

[Shambles]

net nikto ne zarekalsya.
prosto kogda kto-to chto-to s uverennostyu utverjdaet, obichno tak govoryat, proshu prosheniya esli ya upotrebila nepravil'noe virajenie
a esli seryozno posmotret' na eto: konechno je vse mi v kakoy-to mere cinniki
da upertost' v smise upryamost' eta cherta haraktera, no harakter vsegda menyaetsya, zavisit ot mnogih faktorov:vozrast, sreda v kotoroy jivesh, lyudi s kot. obshaeshsya
vse menaetsya... vot k primeru esli u vas budet muj bol'shim cinnikom, ya dumayu chto pereymete etu chertu u nego...
takje i s upertostyu, lyudi ne roboti i bivayut ustayut...
prosto poymite, vi molodi, polni upertosti i konechno vashi rassujdeniya ponyatni, ya sama moloda i ambiciozna, takje kak i uperta, poetomu mi mojem govorit' chto mol:eto navsegda
no est' lyudi, kotorie STOOL'KO v jizni povidali i im ne do upertosti
poetomu kogda Shambles govorit o takom faktore kak vremya i vozrast, ya s nim polnostyu soglasna
S vozrastom vse mirovozreniya menayetsya, i biloy zapal nemnogo potuhaet
zamechu chto ne vse takie, est' te kto po jizni ostanetsya upertim...
no davayte ne budem utverjdat', tak kak vse mi v etom mire rznie
S uvajeniem...


Horosho skazala... No ni dlya kogo ne secret, chto inogda jeny sami menyayut mirovozzreniye svoih mujey... Tam uje kto kogo, chey tsynizm ili idealizm pokrepche budet...:D

[1985eva]

Da i net... Ya govoril, chto s vozrastom stanovitsya men'she maximalisma, no ya ne govoril, chto vse idealisty molodiye... Eto duhovnoe sostoyanie, nezavisimo ot vozrasta, no... yesli chelovek jivet bezzabotnoy jizn'yu vsyu jizn' (proshu proscheniya za tavtologiyu), to vryad li yego idealizm budet snesen bul'dozerom tsynizma, a vot yesli zakonchenniy idealist popadet v real'nuyu myasorubku jizni, to vryad li on sohranit svoi rozoviye ochki, kakim upertym on by ne byl... No eto vse teoriya, a na praktike isklyucheniya ochen' daje vozmojny...

Ponyatno, nu a teper' mojete o Himii pogovorit'...:)

[1985eva]

Da i net... Ya govoril, chto s vozrastom stanovitsya men'she maximalisma, no ya ne govoril, chto vse idealisty molodiye... Eto duhovnoe sostoyanie, nezavisimo ot vozrasta, no... yesli chelovek jivet bezzabotnoy jizn'yu vsyu jizn' (proshu proscheniya za tavtologiyu), to vryad li yego idealizm budet snesen bul'dozerom tsynizma, a vot yesli zakonchenniy idealist popadet v real'nuyu myasorubku jizni, to vryad li on sohranit svoi rozoviye ochki, kakim upertym on by ne byl... No eto vse teoriya, a na praktike isklyucheniya ochen' daje vozmojny...

Ne soglasna chto idealism zavisit ot togo tyajelaya u vas jizn ili net. Privedu izbitiy primer Mahatmi Gandhi.

[Shambles]

Ponyatno, nu a teper' mojete o Himii pogovorit'...:)

Net, pora kushat' nastala.... Priyatno bylo pobesedovat'... I hranite svoy idealizm kak zenitsu oka, Ms Precious One, a to ih tak malo ostalos' v etom mire...:D

[Factory girl]

Ponyatno, nu a teper' mojete o Himii pogovorit'...:)
mi o himii govorim "in private 24/7" tak chto zdes' hotelos' bi uznat' raznie mneniya... vot i o cinnikah interesno pogovorit'
a vot vi EVA ne sachitaete sebya cinnikom?

[Factory girl]

Spasibo za vopros,Factory Girl :)
Ya ne schitayu. Hotya jivu; i ne v ochen' zashishennix usloviyax.I hot' ya ne tzinik, i mojet daje ne realist ( eto kak tziniki sebya nazivayut); eto ne meshaet mne videt' i prinimat' raznie storoni jizni. Sut' v tom chto idealist verit.

pravo ne stoit Eva
ya naprimer schitayu sebya realistom, no eto ne meshaet mne pri eto schitat' chto ya ne cinnik
mne vse toki kajetsya chto realist i cinnik eto raznie veshi, konechno chto-to v etih chertah haraktera est' obshee, no pri etom eto raznie ponyatiya
realisti skoree vsego tem i otlichayutsya ot cinnikov---chto veryat
cinniki redko vo chto libo veryat
a realisti (kak ya :)) jivut real'noy jiznyu i v to je vremya ne perestayut jit', verit' i nadeyatsya

[UzLand]

Mojno li "vyrabotat'" himiyu mejdu dvumya lyud'mi ili net? Ili eto chto-to iz serii: libo himiya yest', libo yeye net??? Mojno li normal'no sosuschestvovat' lyudyam bez himii??? Yesli da, to kak?

а как на счет сообразить на троих? :lool:

sorry for off:)

[Shambles]

pravo ne stoit Eva
ya naprimer schitayu sebya realistom, no eto ne meshaet mne pri eto schitat' chto ya ne cinnik
mne vse toki kajetsya chto realist i cinnik eto raznie veshi, konechno chto-to v etih chertah haraktera est' obshee, no pri etom eto raznie ponyatiya
realisti skoree vsego tem i otlichayutsya ot cinnikov---chto veryat
cinniki redko vo chto libo veryat
a realisti (kak ya :)) jivut real'noy jiznyu i v to je vremya ne perestayut jit', verit' i nadeyatsya

Stop, dorogaya, ty tsynikov so skeptikami ne putayesh'???:D

[Shambles]

а как на счет сообразить на троих? :lool:

sorry for off:)

Dlya etogo nujno noviy thread otkryvat' - "Threesome ili buynaya fantaziya UzLand'a"...:lool:

[RockerDen]

Davayte porazmyshlyayem o himii... Ne o kislotah i valentnosti, a o chelovecheskoy himii vzaimootnosheniy...
Mojno li "vyrabotat'" himiyu mejdu dvumya lyud'mi ili net? Ili eto chto-to iz serii: libo himiya yest', libo yeye net??? Mojno li normal'no sosuschestvovat' lyudyam bez himii??? Yesli da, to kak?
Tochno skaju, chto net. A esli i da, to eto "myortvomu priparki" - vsyo ravno rasstanutsya posle nekotorogo promejutka vremeni.
Na otnosheniya mejdu lyud'mi vliyayet kak "vnutrennyaya", tak i "vneshnyaya" khimii. Otsutstvie khotya by odnoy iz nikh stavit pod vopros dolgosrochnost' otnosheniy.

[Shahnoz]

Well, I read an article (or, more like an essay): What Makes Us Fall In Love?, by Marcia Lasswell & Norman M. Lobsenz, and I found it very interesting and informative. I liked the theory of Danville, which says that every person carries an image of "love type", created by sights, sounds and smells at the onset of puberty, and Love At First Sight occurs when the person meets a being of the opposite sex, who matches that latent image. And it's all absolutely unconscious. Being said - you go hrough life "collecting" positive qualities in every female you meet and like. It's not necessarily a girl with pretty bouncy curls, but it might be your mother, your sister, your aunt, or your neighbours grandma's cousin's sister in law. So, the "perfect" frame is created by your unconsciousness, and you look for "the perfect fit" wherever you go, not necessarily being aware of that.

And, sometimes we "fall for" our neighbours, friends, classmates whom we have known for quite a while - it's pretty much the process of getting to know the person, and finding out the "positive" qualities of a particular individual.

The idea of having only one being in the whole world which is meant to be only with you is quite neat, though. But, it's also somewhat unrealistic. Then you'd be afraid to move to another city, another country, or another continent, out of fear that you might be leaving "the one" behind. It's all really and really strange and interesting at the same time. The thing is that you'll never know if you actually found that person... you might just be completely in love, and blinded into believing that he's (she's) the one.

The article seems to be a little outdated, too. There is a story of one widowed man, who experienced "Love At First Sight", which was beautiful but a little naive to expect in our society. He saw a girl reading a book on the porch, and felt a strong urge to talk to her. He told her that they were going to marry each other, to which she replied that she's already married. He told her to break it off. She did, and they married a month later.

I mean, it is incredibly romantic and all... but it's pretty much impossible nowadays. Everything is really cheap now. I wish I lived in XIX-th century, where romanticism ruled, when courtesy and courtship were a requirement for consideration of one male being even close to deserving your attention. The beautiful dances, wonderful dresses, large hats, priceless looks, unapproachable ladies, pure relationships. How I wish I was born just a century before I was. Today it's so cheap and dirty... you walk to the convenience store to buy something, you'll get at least 3-4 people hit on you. How pathetic is that? People walking around with eyes glowing with hunger of attention. Where is the spiritual and moral side of relationships? Why does everything have to be so lowly physical?

Well, I'm not complaining about my relationships, I'm just looking at the world as a whole.

Ugh... I don't like people. We're all revolutionizing towards senseless and emotionless beings with the only need of physical closeness.

[RockerDen]

Yes. Then I started going out with the one I new met and later on we moved in together. We lived a very happy life. It's hard to explain but we were perfect for each other nevertheless, there were things that kept us apart from each other. Back then I never thought I loved her neither she did. We never called it love. People were jealous of us, even some of my close friends, because I was so into her. I gave her all a girl may ever want and she gave me all a guy may dream of. I may even call that relationship perfect. But, later, my life had turned upside-down and I showed some weakness. I thought, it would be great if we didn't see each other until I stand on my feet. I made one of the biggest mistakes... Then, we couldn't somehow come together. I was going crazy, I then knew I how much I loved her and how much I'm ready to tell her million times "I love you". Unfortunately, that didn't happen. Afterwards, I left for the places far from her, far from home. (it's not because of her, it had been planned long ago, even before her) Well, when I went to Uzbekistan, I met her and she told me she was seeing someone, but confessed that I was her true love (for the first time). I told her that I loved her too, and maybe still do. Then what she told me astounded me. She said we probably would never be together again but whenever I want she would be there for me and even make love to me if I want to. That night we spent together, just sitting and talking. Then, I had to leave again. I now can say one thing: I always and never love her. I will always and never be there for her. It may sound strange, but someone who have ever faced things I have will understand me.
Real love story. See, how the lack of a "full chemistry" can influence the relationship.
Nedavno prochital, chto bez himii jit' schastlivo mogut ooochen' mudrie lyudi, kot. filosofski podhodyat ko mnogim voprosam... Kto-nibud' soglasen s etim??
Kak ponimat'?
V lyubom sluchae, doljno byt' kakoe-nibud' "khimicheskoe" nachalo.

[Umidka]

lizh bi v konce ammonia ne bilo...eto samoe uzhasnoe

[Uzbekxonim]

Davayte porazmyshlyayem o himii... Ne o kislotah i valentnosti, a o chelovecheskoy himii vzaimootnosheniy...

Mojno li "vyrabotat'" himiyu mejdu dvumya lyud'mi ili net? Ili eto chto-to iz serii: libo himiya yest', libo yeye net??? Mojno li normal'no sosuschestvovat' lyudyam bez himii??? Yesli da, to kak?

dumayu chto bez himiyi chelovechestvo bi vimerlo :lol: kakje bez etogo ved organism cheloveka -eto himicheskaya reaktsiya 24/7

himiya mejdu 2mya lyudmi, v normalnoy praktike 'virabativaetsya' avtomoticheski mejdu mujchinoy i jenshinoy kak tolko sensori golovnih mozgov virabativayut attraction - kak fizicheskiy tak i psihologicheskiy.

[Izida]

главное не взорваться... :) опасная наука химия для тех кто в ней не сведущ... но это мое мнение... ;)