Tajiks are 50% in Uzbekistan, not 2%,3% or 5%!!!!

[Bukhara Tajik]

http://www.geocities.com/ethnics_of_central_asia/


Uzbekistan
Population: 25,155,064 (July 2001 est.)
Ethnic groups: Uzbek 31 %, Tajik 50 %, Russian 8.5%, Kazakh 3%, Karakalpak 2.5%, Tatar 1.5%, other 3%.
Language: Tajik, Russian, Uzbek, other.


http://www.geocities.com/ethnics_of_central_asia/casia_ethnic_93.jpg

[MUHLIS]

Yes, and 50% half-tajik, which in total means Uzbekistan 75% iranian. Are you happy?
P.S. One example of inaccuracy of this stuped rasist-biased map: look at Urgenj part, how many tajiks have you met from Urgenj?

[Bukhara Tajik]

http://www.geocities.com/ethnics_of_central_asia/

Major Ethnic Groups in Central Asia
The Andronovo Culture shows evidence of a very early history (late Bronze Age) of the Indo-Iranian speaking peoples in Central Asia.
Turkic people came to these areas much later, during the middle age.
Ethnically, Central Asia occupies a kind of bridge between the Turkic and Persian worlds. While various ethnic groups historically occupied different economic niches, they were all nativeto the land. Bi-lingualism was seen as normal for many centuries, not only among the intellectual elite but the common people as well. Command of three or four languages was not exceptional. Society and culture were formed on a multi-lingual basis. This process was facilitated by the fact that no nation-states, as understood in Western terms, took shape in Central Asia for many centuries. Local khanates and emirates were not formed from any one ethnic community. No ethnic criteria were applied in forming a ruling elite.

For a variety of reasons the designers of the Soviet "national delimitation" in Central Asia discriminated against the Tajiks, having deprived the newly formed republic of Tajikistan of the two most important centers of Tajik urban culture, Bukhara and Samarkand , as well as regions of Fergana, Surhandarya and Khwrazm which were awarded to Uzbekistan. The majority of population in Uzbekistan are Tajiks. In the words of William Beeman, professor of anthropology at Brown University: "The Tajik situation in some ways resembles that of post-colonial Africa. Tajiks have been given an impossible piece of territory with disparate population and have been forced to make a nation out of it."


The majority of Tajiks live outside border of what is known as Tajikistan today.The largest number of Tajiks are living in Uzbekistan, where the majority of Tajiks are forced to be registered as Uzbeks (the Tajiks on the official Uzbeki data, make about 4% of the population of this republic), but the real number of Tajiks living in Uzbekistan believed to be over 50 percent (11-14 millions) of the population.

[Bukhara Tajik]

Muhlis,
Read!!! These are not my words. This is the truth. Get used to it.

[MUHLIS]

http://www.geocities.com/ethnics_of_central_asia/

In the words of William Beeman, professor of anthropology at Brown University: "The Tajik situation in some ways resembles that of post-colonial Africa. Tajiks have been given an impossible piece of territory with disparate population and have been forced to make a nation out of it."
The "professor" you are so excited to find, must first of all educate himself on Central Asian studies before jumping on silly conclusions about the ethnic compisition of the region based on superficial signs. However, I would not be surprised if he has done his "research" in order to inspire the likes of you to spread instability and inter-ethnic conflict in the region.

[-Resident-]

Bukharatajik have you ever traveled throughout Uzbekistan? If yes tell me how many tajik villages or community in every state(oblast) or city?

[Demir Kağan]

Hey you, what's your problem? Your heart is broken or something because of the fact that Uzbeks are governing Uzbekistan? Who must get used to something is you guys because we are governing there and you are our citizen. That's all.

[Bukhara Tajik]

Muhlis,
The professor doesn't need to lie. whether he knows or not, this is a fact that Tajiks are majority in Uzbekistan. You guys have forced them to keep quiet and have forced them to call themselves "oooozbik". The professor is not the only one saying that. Simply read the history. Bukhara and Samarqand have always been the center of Tajik civilization. In fact my parents came from Samarqand and Bukhara. I don't look uzbek and our parents have always spoke Persian.

You can't hide the sun with two fingers!

[bacha]

50% :lool:

Now this topic is going to be a HOT HOT HOT one. Guys, calm down. It his claim is wrong, which it is, why react?

P.S. DemirKagan, have you ever been to Uzbekistan?
P.P.S. Same question goes to BukharaTajik?

[MUHLIS]

Muhlis,
The professor doesn't need to lie. whether he knows or not, this is a fact that Tajiks are majority in Uzbekistan. You guys have forced them to keep quiet and have forced them to call themselves "oooozbik". The professor is not the only one saying that. Simply read the history. Bukhara and Samarqand has always been the center of Tajik civilization. In fact my parents came from Samarqand and Bukhara. I don't look uzbek our parents have always spoke Persian.
I am not saying Tajiks don't live in Uzbekistan, what I am saying is they don't constitute more than 5% of the total population.
I will give a little math quiz, please take your time and do it:
What is the population of Uzbekistan? Sceptics say 26, optimists say 28, so let us stick to sceptics. 26.
The total population of Bukhara city can't be more than 300 thousand, the same can be said about Samarkand city. If we assume that another one million Tajiks dispersely reside around the country, the total number of Tajiks we have would be around 1 mln 600 thousand (if we disregard other nationalities living in Bukhara and Samarkand).
Let us say this number might still be a little biased and add another four hundred thousand just to please you. The total we got is 2 million. Now, what persentage share does 2 mln have in total 26 mln?

[Bukhara Tajik]

Bukharatajik have you ever traveled throughout Uzbekistan? If yes tell me how many tajik villages or community in every state(oblast) or city?
No I havent. But I know that people have been forced to call themselves Uzbek, not Tajik. They are not allowed to study in their own language which is Farsi/Tajiki. They are not allowed to have their own newspaper. Their rights have been taken by authorities.

Tajiks being the majority is not something new. Everyone knows that.

It is time for Uzbeks to respect Tajiks and their history, language etc. No one has the right to force Tajiks smiling like an Uzbek or change his nose like a chinese in order to look like an Uzbek.

Otherwise, things will get worse!

[lilbit]

that belief was put here in order get some from Uzb? :D))))

If this guess is right then guys from Taj, and Taj as whole should be part of Uzb as it was :)

[MUHLIS]

It is time for Uzbeks to respect Tajiks and their history, language etc. No one has the right to force Tajiks smiling like an Uzbek or change his nose like a chinese in order to look like an Uzbek.

Otherwise, things will get worse!
Uzbeks and Tajiks have always had mutual respect with the exception of some rasists like you. More than half of tajik people (just like Uzbek and Turkmens) have mongoloid features and this is not Uzbek people's fault. If you think mongoloid race is somehow inferior to any other race, then you must be executed before becoming another hitler.
Did you do the math quiz?

[Iceman]

hmm, I really thought the figure was higher. I dont understand how it can be only 50% a? :rolleyes:

and does it make any difference? It is the second thread you have opened on the same topic. I dont think it is a good idea to discuss that. Whatever people do it is up to them, man!

You chill out and enjoy your life instead of causing some heavy unneeded discussion in here.

PS: chill out guyz chill out :lool:

[MUHLIS]

hmm, I really thought the figure was higher. I dont understand how it can be only 50% a? :rolleyes:

and does it make any difference? It is the second thread you have opened on the same topic. I dont think it is a good idea to discuss that. Whatever people do it is up to them, man!

You chill out and enjoy your life instead of causing some heavy unneeded discussion in here.

PS: chill out guyz chill out :lool:
No, let him speak out. I want to see how he is going to prove his silly claim.

[bacha]

No I havent. But I know that people have been forced to call themselves Uzbek, not Tajik. They are not allowed to study in their own language which is Farsi/Tajiki. They are not allowed to have their own newspaper. Their rights have been taken by authorities.

Tajiks being the majority is not something new. Everyone knows that.

It is time for Uzbeks to respect Tajiks and their history, language etc. No one has the right to force Tajiks smiling like an Uzbek or change his nose like a chinese in order to look like an Uzbek.

Otherwise, things will get worse!

BukharaTajik,
Last month I was in Uzb., where you haven`t ever been;
I didn`t change my look, my nose is still big. Didn`t change my ethnicity, and still speak bad uzbek, nobody shot me, nobody killed, and so on and on.
You have to visit Uzbekistan to make those claims. You are wrong, believe me. It is me, the `tajik-racist-aryan-freak` telling you this. :)

[Bukhara Tajik]

I am not saying Tajiks don't live in Uzbekistan, what I am saying is they don't constitute more than 5% of the total population.
I will give a little math quiz, please take your time and do it:
What is the population of Uzbekistan? Sceptics say 26, optimists say 28, so let us stick to sceptics. 26.
The total population of Bukhara city can't be more than 300 thousand, the same can be said about Samarkand city. If we assume that another one million Tajiks dispersely reside around the country, the total number of Tajiks we have would be around 1 mln 600 thousand (if we disregard other nationalities living in Bukhara and Samarkand).
Let us say this number might still be a little biased and add another four hundred thousand just to please you. The total we got is 2 million. Now, what persentage share does 2 mln have in total 26 mln?

When we talk about Samarqand, it is not only the city. We talk about the whole province of Samarqand and its population is estimated to be around 2 322 000. Read the link: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samarqand_Province
Same applies to Bukhara.

There are lots of other cities in which the number of Tajiks are much higher than claimed by uzbek government. If you read the first two posts of mine, you will find the answer for all of your questions.

[MUHLIS]

When we talk about Samarqand, it is not only the city. We talk about the whole province of Samarqand and its population is estimated to be around 2 322 000. Read the link: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samarqand_Province
Same applies to Bukhara.

There are lots of other cities in which the number of Tajiks are much higher than claimed by uzbek government. If you read the first two posts of mine, you will find the answer for all of your questions.
We have added one million and four hundred thousand to include all others. Did you do the math quiz?

[MUHLIS]

When we talk about Samarqand, it is not only the city. We talk about the whole province of Samarqand and its population is estimated to be around 2 322 000. Read the link: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samarqand_Province
Same applies to Bukhara.

There are lots of other cities in which the number of Tajiks are much higher than claimed by uzbek government. If you read the first two posts of mine, you will find the answer for all of your questions.
Don't say me anything about statistics from "geocities" or Uzbek government, use official data that exists in other more recognized and non-biased sources.
Did you do the math?

[Iceman]

He does not have any claim. I dont think anyone is mistreated in Uzbekistan? I have certainly never heard of an incident where one is forced to change his/her nationality to Uzbek. I have several friends from Samarkand and Bukhara who are Tajik by Nationality but citizens of Uzbekistan - they are equally looked at and treated in an ordinarily way.

He does not have any claim. I think he is just one sick guy who is spending his life in complete and utter boredom and trying to bring some crap points across and get some attention.

[-Resident-]

No I havent. But I know that people have been forced to call themselves Uzbek, not Tajik. They are not allowed to study in their own language which is Farsi/Tajiki. They are not allowed to have their own newspaper. Their rights have been taken by authorities.

Tajiks being the majority is not something new. Everyone knows that.

It is time for Uzbeks to respect Tajiks and their history, language etc. No one has the right to force Tajiks smiling like an Uzbek or change his nose like a chinese in order to look like an Uzbek.

Otherwise, things will get worse!
So you have not been in Uzbekistan and you know for sure that Tajiks are more than 50%:lool::lool:
Most people here are born and raised in Uzbekistan including me I personally know who I am and I have been traveled whole country many times and actually lived 4 different parts of Uzbekistan and you know what in every state maybe 1or 2 Tajik community which most of them are gypsi people which called luli as well! You can tell me that there are a lot of Tajik people in Samarkand and Buhara but it is only in the city and it is not that many Tajik people as you think if you take look outside the city (suburbs) almost all of them are Uzbeks!

[Bukhara Tajik]

BukharaTajik,
Last month I was in Uzb., where you haven`t ever been;
I didn`t change my look, my nose is still big. Didn`t change my ethnicity, and still speak bad uzbek, nobody shot me, nobody killed, and so on and on.
You have to visit Uzbekistan to make those claims. You are wrong, believe me. It is me, the `tajik-racist-aryan-freak` telling you this. :)
You might be a tajik, but the one who has lost his language and has no idea of his past history. You need to read about your history and follow the path that your parents did. You are a "Uzbekized" Tajik who can't speak his mother tangue "Farsi". But I don't blame you because it is Uzbek government who have brainwashed you and have changed your mentality. If you claim to be Tajik, tell me do you have schools in there? Do you have Tv channels in your own language? Do you read and write Farsi/Tajiki in school? Are you allowed to learn them? NO!

I haven't been there, but doesn't mean I don't know. I have read reports in which people have complained. How come you haven't read such news? It is because no one let you read such things. The let you read only what they want you to read.

Wake up!

[MUHLIS]

He does not have any claim. I dont think anyone is mistreated in Uzbekistan?
If anyone is mistreated in Uzbekistan, it must first of all, be the Uzbeks themselves!
Attention deficit is a serious problem :lol:

[Bukhara Tajik]

Iceman,
I don't need attention. I want to raise the voice of those who can't in Uzbekistan. T'as compris?

[MUHLIS]

I haven't been there, but doesn't mean I don't know. I have read reports in which people have complained. How come you haven't read such news? It is because no one let you read such things. The let you read what they really want to read.

Wake up!
Why do you think Allah gave us two ears and two eyes? Metaphorically it can be said so that we could listen and look at both sides of the coin. Single-sided and biased approach isn't good.
Did you do the math?

[SmIlIk]

Iceman,
I don't need attention. I want to raise the voice of those who can't in Uzbekistan. T'as compris?

Our voice is heard loud and clear. So, no need to bother everyone here with your false stats.

[Iceman]

Well, I meant in this ethnic approach - I know mistreating can come in so many shapes. One thing that is clear of it for sure is the ethnicity issue.

I know one village in Angren where all tajiks live, I know someone there who with his own desire changed his nationality to Uzbek when USSR collapsed. That is just personal choice, if they want it, no one can be an obstacle.

Well, I am off to start a thread calling all Khorezmians to wake up and that we should be Turkish :lol:

[bacha]

It is getting hot in here.

Bukhara, Oh our Voice and savoir! Please save us.

[PainKiller]

Anu keltirilgan kartada bizzi uy korinib turgan ekan, karasam Tojik deb kizilga buyab koyibdi. Bizzi mahallada tugul, bizzi koshni mahalladayam Tojik koshnilarimiz bomagan, a tak=))

[Bukhara Tajik]

http://www.eurasianet.org/resource/tajikistan/hypermail/200105/0004.html

"In my village where only Tajiks live, in a library near my place now there
is not a single book in Tajik. The worst thing is that masterpieces of
world literature, works by Avicenna, Saadi, Shakespeare, Byron, Pushkin,
`Robinson Crusoe' by Daniel Defoe and many others are being destroyed", an
IHROU representative in Samarkand, Jamol Mirsaidov, said.


Also departments and groups with Tajik as a teaching language have been
sharply reduced in Samarkand educational establishments; there is only one
Tajik-language Philology Department now left at Samarkand University.


Tajiks of Uzbekistan are its native population. At the beginning of the last
century they fell within the jurisdiction of Uzbekistan as a result of the
formation of the national Soviet republics. Scholar Rasim Masov writes that
as a result of a "rough division" of Central Asia, Tajiks turned into a
national minority on territory legitimately belonging to them. Tajiks claim
the Uzbek towns of Samarkand and Bukhara and believe that historically
these belonged to Tajikistan. In many respects this is confirmed by the
fact that now mainly Tajiks live in these towns, where one can hear spoken
only Tajik, not Uzbek.......


Is this also a lie? Everything is wrong? Only you Uzbeks are right?

[MUHLIS]

You failed the first quiz. Now, this is your second chance:
The total population of whole Samarkand region is around 2.5 million. Let us say they are all Tajik. Bukhara region has around 2 million population. Let us say they are all honored to be of Tajik nationality. Total we have is 4.5 mln. Let us add another 500 thousand to cover other "oppressed Tajiks" around Uzbekistan, 5 million. Is this number 50% of 26 mln? No.
Half of 26 is 13 mln. How many million Tajiks do you need to reach 13 target? And where are you getting them from?
Please, stop posting reports about the hardships Tajik people are facing in Uzbekistan. Uzbeks and other people are also not living a very enviable life in Uzbekistan. Your argument was Tajik people makes up 50% of total population of Uzbekistan, stick to what you said and don't try to change the topic.

[PainKiller]

Is this also a lie? Everything is wrong? Only you Uzbeks are right?
Bukhara Tajik, how come my home town is painted all red, when I lived there most of my life and never met any Tajik speaking person, except my friend's step mother who had married her uzbek husband and moved from Dushanbe? How can you tell me or others that they have less informaiton rather than you or your false sources about the towns, and cities they live at?

[Iceman]

Iceman,
I don't need attention. I want to raise the voice of those who can't in Uzbekistan. T'as compris?

Oh Pardon! Why are you raising the voice for? Did anyone ask it form you?

Honestly man, get a life...

[Iceman]

Oh and Horazm is painted in red as well. does that mean the whole people who are born in Horazm are tajiks? this is plain stupidity and craziness.

[MUHLIS]

Oh and Horazm is painted in red as well. does that mean the whole people who are born in Horazm are tajiks? this is plain stupidity and craziness.
Never mind, he needs some 8 million to reach his target 50%.... :lol: uups I have told the answer of the second quiz... :lool:

[PainKiller]

Never mind, he needs some 8 million to reach his target 50%.... :lol: uups I have told the answer of the second quiz... :lool:
Andijonga qaren siz, qip qizil turibdi. Manam Tojikman unda, lekin silaga etmagamman:)
A, tak shunaka mavzula keremas. Forumda ajoyib tojik ishtirokchila bor. Eng Muhimi biz Bitta erdanmiz. Bitta nonni eb katta bugammiz.

[MUHLIS]

Andijonga qaren siz, qip qizil turibdi. Manam Tojikman unda, lekin silaga etmagamman:)
A, tak shunaka mavzula keremas. Forumda ajoyib tojik ishtirokchila bor. Eng Muhimi biz Bitta erdanmiz. Bitta nonni eb katta bugammiz.
That is why they added Horazm and Andijan, but we still need some 4 million at least.... :lool: What about exporting from Iran? :lool:

[abcd]

conspiracy theories I like. Jagshemaash.

[PainKiller]

That is why they added Horazm and Andijan, but we still need some 4 million at least.... :lool: What about exporting from Iran? :lool:
Apris bolekan lekinchi :)))
Hamma katta shaharlani boyab kizilga, shul-dasht odam yashamaydigon erlarni koldiribdi ok rangda. LOOOL
Qoraqalpokistonga lekin tegmapti, karen. Unda umuman ishonuvchan chikme koladi deb=)) =))
Hullas, Uni gapiga kora, Hamma shahar bor joyda aslida tojik kardoshlarimiz, anu kizilkum taraplarda kogan 50 foiz qumlikda uzbekla yasharkan. Yigladim lekin manchi, yotib yigladim, oyoglarimmi uynatib, boshimmi yostikka berkitvolib :lol::lol::lol:

[abcd]

Buhara Tajik thank you for bringing up such an important topic. As a person who has 10% persian blood I feel deprived and opressed by that pure bloods, especially my 10% feel that relentless opression on a daily basis. I can't stop that revolt in me. Internationale (the famous anthem) is truly defines me.
Your posts are the only light in the tunnel that inspire me, give me a hope to live, make me strive.
I have a dream, that one day that one my 10% will free itself from leech and I will break into many many small pieces.
I have a dream that one day I will proudly carry passport where my nationality indicates all 23 bloods that are mixed in me.
I have a dream that one day I will understand what tike tike kardi by Arash means.
I have a dream that someday I will learn how to curse in persian.
I have a dream...

[VatanparvaR]

Millatlararo nizo chiqarish uchun mo'ljallangan kichkinagina bo'lim bo'lardi, bu user o'sha bo'limning yangi kadri bo'lsa kerak, birinchi otchotini yozayapti :lol:

[Legend]

According to the map, Uzbeks are not even 31% man :). They should have put like 15% maybe...:).

[Asadbek]

Bukhara Tajik, how come my home town is painted all red, when I lived there most of my life ...
...
Hech xavotir olmang!
Bular 4 ta tojik uchratgan joyida hammani tojik hisoblab ketaverishganga o'xshaydi :)


PS: Bukhara Tajik,
nizoni qo'ynini qitiqlash yaxshi bo'lmaydi...

[Arhimed]

It ho'radi, karvon o'tadi. Bunaqa qitmirlarni gapiga parvo qilmanglar.

[lilbit]

Buhara Tajik thank you for bringing up such an important topic. As a person who has 10% persian blood I feel deprived and opressed by that pure bloods, especially my 10% feel that relentless opression on a daily basis. I can't stop that revolt in me. Internationale (the famous anthem) is truly defines me.
Your posts are the only light in the tunnel that inspire me, give me a hope to live, make me strive.
I have a dream, that one day that one my 10% will free itself from leech and I will break into many many small pieces.
I have a dream that one day I will proudly carry passport where my nationality indicates all 23 bloods that are mixed in me.
I have a dream that one day I will understand what tike tike kardi by Arash means.
I have a dream that someday I will learn how to curse in persian.
I have a dream...


Viva abcd, a la Martin Luther King!!!!!!!!!!

[Arhimed]

Where are you, moderators?! This guy should be banned!

[Musofirbek]

Bir Buhoro Samarqand dagii tarihiy binolarni tijikla qurishgan dep davo qilishudii ,
edii butun Uzbekiston yarmi tojikla

Hmmm
chota kimgadur uzbek-tojik orasida kooottakon fitna kerak bopqolganga ushaydi

[ramsey]

http://www.geocities.com/ethnics_of_central_asia/


Uzbekistan
Population: 25,155,064 (July 2001 est.)
Ethnic groups: Uzbek 31 %, Tajik 50 %, Russian 8.5%, Kazakh 3%, Karakalpak 2.5%, Tatar 1.5%, other 3%.
Language: Tajik, Russian, Uzbek, other.


http://www.geocities.com/ethnics_of_central_asia/casia_ethnic_93.jpg
Bu bola yoki shunga oxshash bir ikkita bangilar azgina tortib olib, qoliga qizil rang olib chaplab tashagan shekilli.