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Inspiredmind
10-15-2007, 11:03 PM
I feel very sorry for those people. I am really sorry.
http://uzfiles.com/google_videos.php?id=62158

PainKiller
10-15-2007, 11:37 PM
I feel very sorry for those people. I am really sorry.
http://uzfiles.com/google_videos.php?id=62158
PLEASE LOGIN TO SEE THE VIDEOS :(:(

Inspiredmind
10-16-2007, 12:05 AM
PLEASE LOGIN TO SEE THE VIDEOS :(:(


registr kiling P_honim, shu yalkov kizsizdee..:)

Abu-Hafiza
10-16-2007, 06:17 AM
Registrsiz video googledan:

andijan..."PRAVDA OB 13 MAY"

Inspiredmind
10-16-2007, 12:09 PM
snimkada Odil Ro'zaliev gapiryapdi deydi, lekin dovushlari umuman o'xshamaydi...xm...bilmadim yana..or maskirovkami bu, shu forumdagi Uzland - is O . Rmi? yoki men adashdimmi...

Royal
10-16-2007, 12:17 PM
heh....

otta nima boganu , bula nima deydi...

manimcha bu ECni ohirgi qaroriga USni qarshi qadami....

dauphin
10-16-2007, 12:38 PM
Registrsiz video googledan:

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=8292492310172473562&hl=en

All of this is BS. Nothing more than it. He did what he should do, that was the best he could do in those circumstances. Halqimizi gapi bor birni ko'rib fikr qil, mingni ko'rib shukr qil degan. Just pay attention who made the video, pay attention what words are they using, that could be another US action movie if they added little more fantasy.
I do feel sorry for those who died. And I am not approving IAK for he did. But the video is BS.

Mr. Putin
10-16-2007, 12:43 PM
snimkada Odil Ro'zaliev gapiryapdi deydi, lekin dovushlari umuman o'xshamaydi...xm...bilmadim yana..or maskirovkami bu, shu forumdagi Uzland - is O . Rmi? yoki men adashdimmi...

Odil Ruzaliyev qilgan reportajdan nusha olib, ishlatishgan bu videoda.
Qiziq buni ular Uzlandan sorab qilsihganmi yoki avtorlik huquqini paymol qilishdimikin?!
Asosiysi Uzland havotir olmasayam boladi, agar bu videoni qilganlarni topib, sudga berish ilojisi bolsa, kerakli joydagilar bu ishni Uzlandbekni orniga tekinga bitirip berishadi. Advokatga ham Uzlandni pul tolab, harajat qilishini hojati yoq. :lol:

Abu-Hafiza
10-16-2007, 01:10 PM
All of this is BS. Nothing more than it. He did what he should do, that was the best he could do in those circumstances. Halqimizi gapi bor birni ko'rib fikr qil, mingni ko'rib shukr qil degan. Just pay attention who made the video, pay attention what words are they using, that could be another US action movie if they added little more fantasy.
I do feel sorry for those who died. And I am not approving IAK for he did. But the video is BS.

Dear Dauphin. first of all, I dont understand why you are quoting me and saying that this is BS. All I did is gave alterntive link because people could not view the video as it required the registration.

I am neither the author of the post, nore the author of video.

Secondly, what was he supposed to do given the same circumstances? Whatever any civilized person would have done. There are hundreds of methods of dealing with this kind of situation.

1. Negotiations which clearly were very short and were not satisfactory. Just remember the interview on the day with those so called terrorists
2. Phycological pressure. Bringing the parents of the leaders of uprising who would persuade them to give up
3. Using mob dispencer methods like pepper gases etc.
4. Storming the headquarters of the terrorists, i.e. hokimiyat and NOT the Babur square itself. Blocking it beforehands and moving civillians into the safe areas.
5. If you insist that terrorists were among the mob, then they should have mixed undercover special forces agents who would neutrlise the armed men. their number amongst the mob was very limited, which is aparent from the photos and videos that government itself relised.
6. Whatever action you take, safety of civillians should be THE FIRST AND THE BIGGEST PRIORITY. You dont just shoot people from BTR's.
7. You should not place an information bockade and go on to persecute people after the event, this will put the officials on the wrong side even if they were right.

There are hundreds more methods of how to deal with armed rebellions. Just read the history of IRA and how british government have dealt with them. And dont give me crap here saying that all the witnesses of those accounts were BSing and lieing. Why dont you consider the fact that the person (i.e. Karimov and his gang" have lied to us before on number of occasions. And why do you think that he would not use brutality when he did it before, during the student revolt in early 90's?

dauphin
10-16-2007, 01:31 PM
Dear Dauphin. first of all, I dont understand why you are quoting me and saying that this is BS.

BS refers to the video. I understand that you are not the author. I am sorry if did not express myself more clearly. For everyhting else I will answer later since I have more important things to do right now.

UzLand
10-16-2007, 04:18 PM
Odil Ruzaliyev qilgan reportajdan nusha olib, ishlatishgan bu videoda.
Qiziq buni ular Uzlandan sorab qilsihganmi yoki avtorlik huquqini paymol qilishdimikin?!
Asosiysi Uzland havotir olmasayam boladi, agar bu videoni qilganlarni topib, sudga berish ilojisi bolsa, kerakli joydagilar bu ishni Uzlandbekni orniga tekinga bitirip berishadi. Advokatga ham Uzlandni pul tolab, harajat qilishini hojati yoq. :lol:

Хамма гап хам шунда-да. Рухсат сурашмаган. Бемалолчилик.

uzbekcfa2
10-16-2007, 04:33 PM
Хамма гап хам шунда-да. Рухсат сурашмаган. Бемалолчилик.


bemalolchilik uz yuligaku...


"Uzbekiston istiqboli haqidagi fikrlar" degan mavzuda Odil Ruzaliyev hikoya qiladi deb yozib quyilibdi....hehe...vaqt utgan sari odamni qarashlari uzgarishi nimaga boglik ekana?:)

Sarahjon
10-16-2007, 06:28 PM
I am no expert in authenticity of videos, but i do believe the clips comprising the video and background voices reflect the truth. no actor or a voiceover can replicate that. calling the tragic events' film a BS is ... i can't even find a word. it's amazing how these clips got out... i feel sorry too, even though it is no real help.




Dear Dauphin. first of all, I dont understand why you are quoting me and saying that this is BS. All I did is gave alterntive link because people could not view the video as it required the registration.

I am neither the author of the post, nore the author of video.

Secondly, what was he supposed to do given the same circumstances? Whatever any civilized person would have done. There are hundreds of methods of dealing with this kind of situation.

1. Negotiations which clearly were very short and were not satisfactory. Just remember the interview on the day with those so called terrorists
2. Phycological pressure. Bringing the parents of the leaders of uprising who would persuade them to give up
3. Using mob dispencer methods like pepper gases etc.
4. Storming the headquarters of the terrorists, i.e. hokimiyat and NOT the Babur square itself. Blocking it beforehands and moving civillians into the safe areas.
5. If you insist that terrorists were among the mob, then they should have mixed undercover special forces agents who would neutrlise the armed men. their number amongst the mob was very limited, which is aparent from the photos and videos that government itself relised.
6. Whatever action you take, safety of civillians should be THE FIRST AND THE BIGGEST PRIORITY. You dont just shoot people from BTR's.
7. You should not place an information bockade and go on to persecute people after the event, this will put the officials on the wrong side even if they were right.

There are hundreds more methods of how to deal with armed rebellions. Just read the history of IRA and how british government have dealt with them. And dont give me crap here saying that all the witnesses of those accounts were BSing and lieing. Why dont you consider the fact that the person (i.e. Karimov and his gang" have lied to us before on number of occasions. And why do you think that he would not use brutality when he did it before, during the student revolt in early 90's?