Uzbek people whom left Uzbekistan 70-80 year ago

[Uzbek German]

salam

why some people in Uzbekistan thinks that uzbek People which left Uzbekistan 70 or 80 years ago were treater or taken welth or tresure of Uzbekistan abroad that time .
but i say its not true they were pore immigrants and was not agree with with SOVIET agration at that time and they love still Uzbekistan.

what you think

[Royal]

MY grandfather left Uzbekistan 80year ago
who give sh**T whate you think

NYyankNY

bu odam soravottila : UZBni butun boyligini kim opketgan dip, etvur:

mani dodam...keraymi biror narsa..qoganlaridan... ??? osip chiqqan allaqachon..

[NYyankNY]

NYyankNY

bu odam soravottila : UZBni butun boyligini kim opketgan dip, etvur:

mani dodam...keraymi biror narsa..qoganlaridan... ??? osip chiqqan allaqachon..

Bildim Hazelashvoman :lol: Bolani qinavoman de BOBO ;)

[Royal]

bu hozrgi bollada odob degan narsa qomapti, forumga keganda bundo:

Assalomu alaykom , mani ismim palonchi, palonchinini bolasiman, adresim palonchi,
palon bonkada pulim bor, kodi bunaqa dermdi ozi ???

odop degan narsa qomapti lekin....

[NYyankNY]

bu hozrgi bollada odob degan narsa qomapti, forumga keganda bundo:

Assalomu alaykom , mani ismim palonchi, palonchinini bolasiman, adresim palonchi,
palon bonkada pulim bor, kodi bunaqa dermdi ozi ???

odop degan narsa qomapti lekin....

Kimga gapervosiz BOBO ?

[Royal]

umumie gap !!!

:lool:

[Uzbek German]

bu hozrgi bollada odob degan narsa qomapti, forumga keganda bundo:

Assalomu alaykom , mani ismim palonchi, palonchinini bolasiman, adresim palonchi,
palon bonkada pulim bor, kodi bunaqa dermdi ozi ???

odop degan narsa qomapti lekin....

adab digan soz ga jon bor.

[NYyankNY]

umumie gap !!!

:lool:

BOBO Tohrisini ayting 80 yil oldin Nima opchiqdiz Uzbdan ? :lol:

[Royal]

NYyankNY

bu sani qarindoshinmasmi ishqip ??? Germaniyada yoqolip qogan ??? sorap kor atrofingdigiladan biroratsi tanir bu yetim nemis bolasini....

[NYyankNY]

NYyankNY

bu sani qarindoshinmasmi ishqip ??? Germaniyada yoqolip qogan ??? sorap kor atrofingdigiladan biroratsi tanir bu yetim nemis bolasini....

Bizada Uzbek Afghan Bor lekin Uzbek German Yoq :lool:
Munga garantiya beraman :lol:

[Royal]

huddi Afghonistondan keganga ohshiydi, gapini yarimini yozishdan oldin ozi yevorvottiyu...

[Uzbek German]

hahaha insan di yazgani wa sozi oni tanitadi.

[Royal]

hahaha insan di yazgani wa sozi oni tanitadi.

frits , qani yana bitta...

P,S, bir anekdot boriydi..keyin boshqa joyda etaman...perm.ban bop ketmie yana....

[SAMARKANDI!]

salam

why some people in Uzbekistan thinks that uzbek People which left Uzbekistan 70 or 80 years ago were treater or taken welth or tresure of Uzbekistan abroad that time .
but i say its not true they were pore immigrants and was not agree with with SOVIET agration at that time and they love still Uzbekistan.

what you think

Some of them were rich :) my grandfather left Uzbkistan and took his wealth with him that rightfully belonged to him and his family.

[Royal]

Some of them were rich :) my grandfather left Uzbkistan and took his wealth with him that rightfully belonged to him and his family.
+++ including the treasury of whatever kingdom...

qani boyninga olchi fritzni oldida...!!!

[Uzbek German]

NYyankNY

bu sani qarindoshinmasmi ishqip ??? Germaniyada yoqolip qogan ??? sorap kor atrofingdigiladan biroratsi tanir bu yetim nemis bolasini....

way nima yaz wat san ozin wa hama aylain nimis di yatim balasi

[NYyankNY]

way nima yaz wat san ozin wa hama aylain nimis di yatim balasi

:lool::lool::lool:
Mandanam Batari Topilipti Uzbekcha yozishda :lool::lool:

[Royal]

:lool::lool::lool:
Mandanam Batari Topilipti Uzbekcha yozishda :lool::lool:
hozir buniyam tilidan tortip yahshigina totiqushday gapiradigan qilamiz....

hozi sokishga boshliydi yahshigina ozbekchada....

ishqip rostdanam DUDUQ bomasinda unda ancha qiyin boladi...

[NYyankNY]

hozir buniyam tilidan tortip yahshigina totiqushday gapiradigan qilamiz....

hozi sokishga boshliydi yahshigina ozbekchada....

ishqip rostdanam DUDUQ bomasinda unda ancha qiyin boladi...

Shunaqa qimasa Yangi Alfabetda gapervoti :lol:

[Royal]

fritz
ma ma...

qaqqa ketti darrow?

[Tajik001]

My great-grand-father, his family and lots of other people left Samarqand for another country. They didn't want to live under Soviet occupation.
salam

why some people in Uzbekistan thinks that uzbek People which left Uzbekistan 70 or 80 years ago were treater or taken welth or tresure of Uzbekistan abroad that time .
but i say its not true they were pore immigrants and was not agree with with SOVIET agration at that time and they love still Uzbekistan.

what you think

[SAMARKANDI!]

+++ including the treasury of whatever kingdom...

qani boyninga olchi fritzni oldida...!!!

no treasury was found :lol:

My great-grand-father, his family and lots of other people left Samarqand for another country. They didn't want to live under Soviet occupation.

Is that ur great grand father on your avatar? :D

[Royal]

salam

why some people in Uzbekistan thinks that uzbek People which left Uzbekistan 70 or 80 years ago were treater or taken welth or tresure of Uzbekistan abroad that time .
but i say its not true they were pore immigrants and was not agree with with SOVIET agration at that time and they love still Uzbekistan.

what you thinkno treasury was found :lol:
wo.....this answers Your question SAMARQANDI omaganakan...

[SAMARKANDI!]

wo.....this answers Your question SAMARQANDI omaganakan...

I refered to his classification of poor immigrants as it wasnt quite correct.

[uzbekcfa2]

Royal, dont shit with your stupid brain everywhere.

Uzbek German, never mind a bunch of clowns here.

[Royal]

70-80 yil dip bu 20chi yillidigi Muwafaqt Turkiston hukumatini etvottiyov, chunki osha pyitdigi hukumat boshligi rahmatli Mustafo Choqay hukumatni hazinasi bilan ketgan degan gaplayam yoqmasdi.....

[UzLand]

My great-grand-father, his family and lots of other people left Samarqand for another country. They didn't want to live under Soviet occupation.

...с чем, моя дорогая, я тебя и твоего прадедушку поздравляю:)

[VatanparvaR]

...с чем, моя дорогая, я тебя и твоего прадедушку поздравляю:)

Nea !!! Bu bilan pozdravitmas, xamdardlik bildirish kerak :)

Katta bobom ketip qoganlarida manam manashu qizga o'hshab fikrlaydigan bo'larmidim? Xozi o'tirib, 2 ta o'g'lini otib, uyini opqo'yganlaridayam yurtini tashab ketmagan katta-bobomni nomlariga ming martalap duo o'qiyapman :)

[SAMARKANDI!]

Nea !!! Bu bilan pozdravitmas, xamdardlik bildirish kerak :)

Katta bobom ketip qoganlarida manam manashu qizga o'hshab fikrlaydigan bo'larmidim? Xozi o'tirib, 2 ta o'g'lini otib, uyini opqo'yganlaridayam yurtini tashab ketmagan katta-bobomni nomlariga ming martalap duo o'qiyapman :)


Esis balki ilojlari bolmagandur, bomasam shart olib chiqib ketgan bolarmidilar bunaqa otishlarni kormasdan. hayvon orislar.

p.s. Paygambarlarimiz ham kochib yurishganlar majbur bolishganda

[corsair]

My great-grand-father, his family and lots of other people left Samarqand for another country. They didn't want to live under Soviet occupation.


hudo bizni bir saqlagan ekada... bo'lmasa, hozir samaqand shahrini bizdan talab qilar edingiz...

[corsair]

salam

why some people in Uzbekistan thinks that uzbek People which left Uzbekistan 70 or 80 years ago were treater or taken welth or tresure of Uzbekistan abroad that time .
but i say its not true they were pore immigrants and was not agree with with SOVIET agration at that time and they love still Uzbekistan.

what you think

who told u that? i ve never heard this before...

uzbekistonda yashaganimisiz o'zi? kimdir bu bekorchi gapni aytgandir sizga...

1940-45 yillarda sovet armiyasini tark etib nazi larga qo'shilganlar va urush tugaganidan keyin germaniyada Fraulein larni orqasida bekinib olib qolib ketganlar davlat hoinlari va sotqinlardir!

70-80 yil oldin o'z shahsiy mulkini olib chet elga ketganlar sotqin hisoblanmasa keragov... agar qo'shnisini qizini yoki dehqonlarni maoshini olib qochmagan bo'lsa.

poor immigrants mish... agar poor bo'lganda germaniyaga yetib borishar edimi...:D

btw, do u speak english or uzbek? :-D

[Tajik001]

Is that ur great grand father on your avatar? :D
In a way yes. He is the great grand father of all Tajiks.

[Royal]

In a way yes. He is the great grand father of all Tajiks.
so before him tajiks are was not/never existed ??? or what ?

[corsair]

so before him tajiks are was not/never existed ??? or what ?


:lool:

he used to be Iranian from Afghanistan and used to live in Samarkand. he moved "the honorable tribe" to Dushanbe. good choice...:D

[Tajik001]

Corsair has thanked your for your question. lol

[corsair]

Corsair has thanked your for your question. lol

why its lol? please dont tell me that the word "thanks" is tadjik word :-D

[corsair]

ok. guys lets talk about uzbek german guys problem... should we

PS: tadjik007, open a thread for yourself and we will talk about your special people...

[Tajik001]

Who is Tajik 007 ?? :D

[SAMARKANDI!]

In a way yes. He is the great grand father of all Tajiks.

Who was your great grand mother then? I am very interested now in ur great grand relatives, will u please :)

[Tajik001]

why are you interested in them?

[JoJ]

Who was your great grand mother then? I am very interested now in ur great grand relatives, will u please :)

Tojik girl specially for you changed her avatar :D

[catzilla]

anavu bechara bolani savoliga javob beriyla, shuni ham tepib haydavordilamie?

qoyil!

[Uzbek German]

who told u that? i ve never heard this before...

uzbekistonda yashaganimisiz o'zi? kimdir bu bekorchi gapni aytgandir sizga...

1940-45 yillarda sovet armiyasini tark etib nazi larga qo'shilganlar va urush tugaganidan keyin germaniyada Fraulein larni orqasida bekinib olib qolib ketganlar davlat hoinlari va sotqinlardir!

70-80 yil oldin o'z shahsiy mulkini olib chet elga ketganlar sotqin hisoblanmasa keragov... agar qo'shnisini qizini yoki dehqonlarni maoshini olib qochmagan bo'lsa.

poor immigrants mish... agar poor bo'lganda germaniyaga yetib borishar edimi...:D

btw, do u speak english or uzbek? :-D



a.Uzbekistan ga yashagan man, man aytim ki (some people).
b.( poor) digan soz di kop manalari bar faqat gharip ya kam baghal mas. poor has many defination
c.azad yasha gan insan lar bikin midi
d.insan faqat pol dawlat bilan birjai ga yat mi di aqil bilan ham kop jai lar ga yatip borish momkin
For your kind information i speak both also German and Russian and Tajiki,Farsi,Urdu.some Arabic too.

[Uzbek German]

salam hama azada watan parwar yakhshi aqilik insanlar ga!


Mani bu bir gan sawal siz lardan faqt siz larni nima oylash lrin di bilashi edi.yoq ki xar qanaqa bogor bomagor yaxshi yaman soz lar ya ham dard lik.
man ayt max chidim ki kit kan baba lari miz bir aqilik azad yashash di Mostaqilik di barabarlik di tanjlik di adalat di xahlagan insan lar bolgan lar,wa bu har bir aqilik insan bayt kiti ki kilajak farzand lar ga wa bilma gan lar ga tushin tur sin lar ta olardi gonax dan saxlasin chon natoghri oylash bashqalar di haqiga ham kata gonax .

Rhmat

Salam to all free ,mother land lover or patriot,good and bright peoples!

I have wrote that post(Uzbek people whom left Uzbekistan 70-80 year ago) to know your meinung and say to all that our great grand father or grand father were realy open meind ,patriot,free ,quite good people the left the countery to fight occupation and agration by leaving the countery that time and every one must teach children and who dont know this must learn this and not make a sin becuse thinking bad or false about other people is also sinfull and will be panished by Allah .

Regards Thank you

[SAMARKANDI!]

why are you interested in them?

cuz i am very interested person. once u get me interested, i become very interested.

So will u tell me about them or there is nothing interesting about them? :)

Tojik girl specially for you changed her avatar :D

Manimcha bu qizga uzbek yigitlari yoqib qolibdi shekilli, sekin sekin image ozgaryapdi :) yoki forum tojik yigitlari gap otishgan :) nima bolsa ham omadini bersin

[Uyyonli]

salam

why some people in Uzbekistan thinks that uzbek People which left Uzbekistan 70 or 80 years ago were treater or taken welth or tresure of Uzbekistan abroad that time .
but i say its not true they were pore immigrants and was not agree with with SOVIET agration at that time and they love still Uzbekistan.

what you think

Those people were actually called "The Legions of Turkestan" who left the Soviets and joined the Nazis in hope for advancing German forces. They thought they could at least defeat the Russians and Liberate Turkestan.
PS: your Uzbek has it's old school Uzbek taste more like Uyg'ur Uzbek mixed.
Can u sing Uzbek? Can u come back to liberated homeland and serve her people?
if yes then there is still no problem as a matter of fact u can bring good benefits home and we (at least I honour) for what have the LOT(legions) done for their homeland a sacrifce was for Allah and his people.

[lost]

salam

why some people in Uzbekistan thinks that uzbek People which left Uzbekistan 70 or 80 years ago were treater or taken welth or tresure of Uzbekistan abroad that time .
but i say its not true they were pore immigrants and was not agree with with SOVIET agration at that time and they love still Uzbekistan.

what you think

waleykum salom.

Germaniyani qaysi shahridasiz?
Hessenni shimoliga kelib bilsangiz, mehmon qilardim. Shu hafta shanba kuni. Gaplashishga qiziq mavzular borligiga o'xshayapti. : )


on: have no clue



ps: Okalar, ozlarizni tarbiyalarizni ko'z-ko'z qilmasalarizchi : )

[inDecision]

salam

why some people in Uzbekistan thinks that uzbek People which left Uzbekistan 70 or 80 years ago were treater or taken welth or tresure of Uzbekistan abroad that time .
but i say its not true they were pore immigrants and was not agree with with SOVIET agration at that time and they love still Uzbekistan.

what you think
I don't know honestly, but I think, this is history and there is nothing you and I can change. However, I am very interested in listening to your families' history & your life over there in Germany. Are there many Uzbeks in Germany who left Uzbekistan long time ago?

[corsair]

salam

why some people in Uzbekistan thinks that uzbek People which left Uzbekistan 70 or 80 years ago were treater or taken welth or tresure of Uzbekistan abroad that time .
but i say its not true they were pore immigrants and was not agree with with SOVIET agration at that time and they love still Uzbekistan.

what you think

IMHO 70-80 yil oldin o'zbekistonni o'zining shahsiy mulki bilan tark etganlar vatan hoyini hisoblanishmaydi... 1940-45 yillarda sovet armiyasini tashlab qochganlar vatan hoyini hisoblanishadi...

[corsair]

Those people were actually called "The Legions of Turkestan" who left the Soviets and joined the Nazis in hope for advancing German forces. They thought they could at least defeat the Russians and Liberate Turkestan.
PS: your Uzbek has it's old school Uzbek taste more like Uyg'ur Uzbek mixed.
Can u sing Uzbek? Can u come back to liberated homeland and serve her people?
if yes then there is still no problem as a matter of fact u can bring good benefits home and we (at least I honour) for what have the LOT(legions) done for their homeland a sacrifce was for Allah and his people.

as i understand he is talking about uzbeks who left uzbekistan/tukistan in 1920-30... not the ones who left soviet army in them battle fields...

as for me the person who left his army and joined his enemy's army is a bloody traitor must be hanged on the nearest tree...

nobody promised them "free turkistan", each of them were promised land and slaves, thats why they joined nazis...

my grandfather was shoot and was found unconscious on the battle field by german nazis in ukrain. he spent a year in POW camp and was offered a deal: to be a soldier in nazi army's turkistan legion and he refused, they broke his both hands and toes...

i am proud of him!!!

[Uzbek German]

waleykum salom.

Germaniyani qaysi shahridasiz?
Hessenni shimoliga kelib bilsangiz, mehmon qilardim. Shu hafta shanba kuni. Gaplashishga qiziq mavzular borligiga o'xshayapti. : )


on: have no clue



ps: Okalar, ozlarizni tarbiyalarizni ko'z-ko'z qilmasalarizchi : )





NRW GA MIZ LIKAN XODA XALASA KILAJAK GA KORISHAMIZ:

uzbekistan-farzandi@hotmail.de

[Uzbek German]

sorry i never heard about suche people who server for Nazis or same to soviets we are in Germany sice 1980,s

[Prince]

sorry i never heard about suche people who server for Nazis or same to soviets we are in Germany sice 1980,s

Have u ever asked ur grand dad "Why he left?" ?
Why people left at that time? :rolleyes:

P.S My grand dad he never left country! And I am Proud of it!

[Prince]

Orisla xamma Oltinlarni op ketib qogandan keyin Sayordan, Odamlar Beklar, Honni atrofida yurgan odamlar , qorrqanidan uzini tillasini HUM-ga solib Afgonga otishgan , Afgondan! Saudiaga Saudiadan Turkiaga , Germonga va shunday sekin oyoni bervorishgan!

[corsair]

sorry i never heard about suche people who server for Nazis or same to soviets we are in Germany sice 1980,s


believe me, its 100s of uzbeks in germany who deserted soviet army and became nazi soldiers.

YouTube - Turkestan Legion

http://www.hampshireflag.co.uk/world-flags/allflags/de%5E941eu.html

http://www.axishistory.com/index.php?id=5790

http://stosstruppen39-45.tripod.com/id10.html

shame!!!

[Prince]

believe me, its 100s of uzbeks in germany who deserted soviet army and became nazi soldiers.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=KktYuLwQfVk

http://www.hampshireflag.co.uk/world-flags/allflags/de%5E941eu.html

http://www.axishistory.com/index.php?id=5790

http://stosstruppen39-45.tripod.com/id10.html

shame!!!



Yaxshimas qoraka.. u xam Uzbek u xam Inson, u xam Vatandoshimiz! Tuhmat qilmang... bechara VATAN doshini TOPAMAN deb kelgan!!!! Unaqa qilmang! uni aybi yoq!

[Prince]

sorry i never heard about suche people who server for Nazis or same to soviets we are in Germany sice 1980,s

Brother,
If you coming to UZB , just let me know ok? I'll invite you to my house! as the brother, as the Uzbek! okay Just send me PM before you come ;)
and Welcome to Uzbekistan!!!!

[corsair]

Yaxshimas qoraka.. u xam Uzbek u xam Inson, u xam Vatandoshimiz! Tuhmat qilmang... bechara VATAN doshini TOPAMAN deb kelgan!!!! Unaqa qilmang! uni aybi yoq!

meni unga umuman qarshiligim yo'q...

so'ragan edida, o'sha yerda shuncha yildan beri yashab hech "nazi uzbeklar" haqida eshitmagan ekanda...

tuhmat qilganim yo'q :-)

katta avlodni qilgan ishi uchun yosh avlod javob berishi kerak emas, men yosh "sochi bor" germonlarni hech nimada ayiblamayman... o'tgan ishga "frankfurter sosiska" :-D

[Uyyonli]

as i understand he is talking about uzbeks who left uzbekistan/tukistan in 1920-30... not the ones who left soviet army in them battle fields...

as for me the person who left his army and joined his enemy's army is a bloody traitor must be hanged on the nearest tree...

nobody promised them "free turkistan", each of them were promised land and slaves, thats why they joined nazis...

my grandfather was shoot and was found unconscious on the battle field by german nazis in ukrain. he spent a year in POW camp and was offered a deal: to be a soldier in nazi army's turkistan legion and he refused, they broke his both hands and toes...

i am proud of him!!!

I am proud of him too!!! May be he did the right thing because Yes there was lot of Centra Asians were serving USSR fronlines, but for some joining the Nazis meant for the cause of liberation of Turkestan as whole after Soviet collapse. Turkiye back in the WW2 has helped the germans to organize these units and wanted to liberate their forfathers Turkestan thats why the unit was called after Turkestan.

[corsair]

I am proud of him too!!! May be he did the right thing because Yes there was lot of Centra Asians were serving USSR fronlines, but for some joining the Nazis meant for the cause of liberation of Turkestan as whole after Soviet collapse. Turkiye back in the WW2 has helped the germans to organize these units and wanted to liberate their forfathers Turkestan thats why the unit was called after Turkestan.

nobody promised them "free turkistan"!

they supported hitlers ideas: nazism and fascism...

[corsair]

salam

why some people in Uzbekistan thinks that uzbek People which left Uzbekistan 70 or 80 years ago were treater or taken welth or tresure of Uzbekistan abroad that time .
but i say its not true they were pore immigrants and was not agree with with SOVIET agration at that time and they love still Uzbekistan.

what you think

vatan yomonga ham yahshiga ham vatan bo'lib qolaveradi...

[benq35]

believe me, its 100s of uzbeks in germany who deserted soviet army and became nazi soldiers.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=KktYuLwQfVk

http://www.hampshireflag.co.uk/world-flags/allflags/de%5E941eu.html

http://www.axishistory.com/index.php?id=5790

http://stosstruppen39-45.tripod.com/id10.html

shame!!!

Это правда! Я сам в Турции видел нескольких стариков которые тогда во время войны перешли на сторону Фашистов и создали "Узбекский Батальон".
Гаденыши.

[MUHLIS]

Hafa bo'lmanglaru ba'zi narsalarga juda qo'pol qaraysizlarda. Turkiston batal'oniga alamzada, mol-dunyosidan, uy-joyidan, oilasidan.....ko'pincha jonidan boshqa deyarli hamma narsasidan mahrum bo'lgan, quvg'in bo'lgan mazlum odamlar kirgan. Ular Hitler g'oyalarining shaydosi bo'lganlari uchun emas, qasos olish uchun, va hamda o'z yurtlarini ozod qilish umudida qo'llariga qurol olganlar!!! Hitler bulardan siyosiy maqsadlarda foydalanmoqchi bo'lgan. Ularni siyosiy qarashlar emas, umumiy dushman birlashtirgan.
Formadagi nishonga e'tibor berdilaringmi? "Biz Alla bilen" deb qo'yilgan, fashistlar ham Allohga e'tiqod qilganmi? Hammasi namoz o'qib turibdi, bu ham sizlarga yetarlicha dalil emasmi ularning fashist bo'lmaganligi uchun?

[Aziz]

I don't know about the history...but my grandpa took no treasure with him. The only thing he was holding to: his books.

[Royal]

who told u that? i ve never heard this before...

uzbekistonda yashaganimisiz o'zi? kimdir bu bekorchi gapni aytgandir sizga...
1940-45 yillarda sovet armiyasini tark etib nazi larga qo'shilganlar va urush tugaganidan keyin germaniyada Fraulein larni orqasida bekinib olib qolib ketganlar davlat hoinlari va sotqinlardir!
70-80 yil oldin o'z shahsiy mulkini olib chet elga ketganlar sotqin hisoblanmasa keragov... agar qo'shnisini qizini yoki dehqonlarni maoshini olib qochmagan bo'lsa.
poor immigrants mish... agar poor bo'lganda germaniyaga yetib borishar edimi...:D
btw, do u speak english or uzbek? :-D
corsair

Judayam notogri gap...2chi jahon urushida musulmon dinidagilarni nemislar hamma qatori yechintirishganda ularni ham SIZLAR JUHUD ekansizlar deyishgan SUNNAT bolganliklarini korip va ancha muncha musulmonlarga huddi juhudlarga qilingan muomila qilingan...shu holatni Germaniyadigi sobiq Turkiston hukumatini boshligi Mustafa Choqay nemis qomondiligini oldiga olip chiqip ancha muncha MUSULMONLARNI qatagonda saqlab qolgan....

Rahmatlik Ergash Buloqboshi (joylari jannatda bolsin , yahshi odam edi) gapiip bergandila, tahminan esda boricha:

"America qoshinlarini qol ostidigi bolgan harbie lagerlardan birida ancha muncha musulmonlar yani sobiq Turkiston Legion askarlari bolgan...Harbie Asirlarni Rossiyaga qaytarilsa hammasi qatagon qilinayotganmush degan ovozasi tarqalgandan keyin ular America qomondonligiga murojaat etishgan , biz qaytmaymiz dip, shunda bir America officeri bu odamni juda qopol ravishda soroq qilip :

- "Sizlar Vatan Hoini Sizlar, Sizlar Nemis-Fashistlarga hizmat qilgansizlar ", dip
gapirgan
Shunda Ergash aka rahmatlik, eee har bir jonda bir olim, agar botta oladigan bosagam olarkanmiz, yuborvorsayam oris oldirarkan dip, tawakkaliga:

- "Biz Vatanimizni KOMMUNISTlardan ozod qilamiz, DINSIZlardan ozod qilamiz dip bularga qoshildik, lekin SIZLAR butun insoniyat dushmani bolgan dinsiz KOMMUNISTlar bilan birga bolip bizlarni ularni qurboni qilmoqchisizlar , bunda kim HOIN boladi..ozila fikr qilia....."

Officer qaraaap turip sekin: "Qancha odamsizlar tezlikda royhatini tuzip keling"

Chiqsala hamma qarab turipti, ( ulardan anchasi Uzbeklar, Turkmenlar, Qozoq, Qirgiz, Tatar va ancha muncha boshqa millat vakillari yigilganakan, lekin hammasi musulmon va bularni ichida bir qancha ozbek/tojikcha gapirgan "buhor juhud"lariyam omon qolgan degan gaplaram bor....)
- Ha nima bolda Aka, nima qiladigan boldik dip sorashsa: boladigan boldi, omonlik..royhat tuzila tezda dip hamma shu bilan omon qoganakan....

Bu manimcha ancha forumchilarni VATAN HOINLARI deganlariga javob bolsa kerak degan umiddaman...va birowni HOIN deyishdan oldin oz tanaylaga oylap korishni ham tavsiya etaman....chunki DINIMIZDA kelgan: agar boshinga qilich kelip Olim muqarrar bolip sandan DINING nima dip soralganda: ISLOM deseng qatl etilishingi bilsang YOLGON sozlashga gunoh emas deyilgan...notogri bolsa togrilavorarsizlar...

P.S. Turkiston legion boyicha ancha muncha postlar bolgandi, moderatorlar yordam qilishsa shu yerga linki bervorishar degan umidda: >>>>>>>>>>

[Royal]

i dont talk about people who joined Nazis i am talking abou 1920 -25 .
if You talking in general who left they home country after communist came ???

and You trying to solve that Your question: They never took any wealth ????

that is nonces...

everyone took they took own wealth, not some ones...

every one start everything from 0..nul.....and most of them succeeded in they life...rizqiga yarasha...

uzr...bu yerda savolingizni mohiyat tushunarsiz bovotti:

Agar Sizning ajdodlaringiz birorn narsa opketmagan bosa , sizda armonda qolganmisiz degan savolam kep chiqadi..

tushungandirsiz degan umidda.

english , nemis va azgina ozbekchadan boshqa yana qaysi tilda gaplsha olasiz ???

[Uzbek German]

corsair

Judayam notogri gap...2chi jahon urushida musulmon dinidagilarni nemislar hamma qatori yechintirishganda ularni ham SIZLAR JUHUD ekansizlar deyishgan SUNNAT bolganliklarini korip va ancha muncha musulmonlarga huddi juhudlarga qilingan muomila qilingan...shu holatni Germaniyadigi sobiq Turkiston hukumatini boshligi Mustafa Choqay nemis qomondiligini oldiga olip chiqip ancha muncha MUSULMONLARNI qatagonda saqlab qolgan....

Rahmatlik Ergash Buloqboshi (joylari jannatda bolsin , yahshi odam edi) gapiip bergandila, tahminan esda boricha:

"America qoshinlarini qol ostidigi bolgan harbie lagerlardan birida ancha muncha musulmonlar yani sobiq Turkiston Legion askarlari bolgan...Harbie Asirlarni Rossiyaga qaytarilsa hammasi qatagon qilinayotganmush degan ovozasi tarqalgandan keyin ular America qomondonligiga murojaat etishgan , biz qaytmaymiz dip, shunda bir America officeri bu odamni juda qopol ravishda soroq qilip :

- "Sizlar Vatan Hoini Sizlar, Sizlar Nemis-Fashistlarga hizmat qilgansizlar ", dip
gapirgan
Shunda Ergash aka rahmatlik, eee har bir jonda bir olim, agar botta oladigan bosagam olarkanmiz, yuborvorsayam oris oldirarkan dip, tawakkaliga:

- "Biz Vatanimizni KOMMUNISTlardan ozod qilamiz, DINSIZlardan ozod qilamiz dip bularga qoshildik, lekin SIZLAR butun insoniyat dushmani bolgan dinsiz KOMMUNISTlar bilan birga bolip bizlarni ularni qurboni qilmoqchisizlar , bunda kim HOIN boladi..ozila fikr qilia....."

Officer qaraaap turip sekin: "Qancha odamsizlar tezlikda royhatini tuzip keling"

Chiqsala hamma qarab turipti, ( ulardan anchasi Uzbeklar, Turkmenlar, Qozoq, Qirgiz, Tatar va ancha muncha boshqa millat vakillari yigilganakan, lekin hammasi musulmon va bularni ichida bir qancha ozbek/tojikcha gapirgan "buhor juhud"lariyam omon qolgan degan gaplaram bor....)
- Ha nima bolda Aka, nima qiladigan boldik dip sorashsa: boladigan boldi, omonlik..royhat tuzila tezda dip hamma shu bilan omon qoganakan....

Bu manimcha ancha forumchilarni VATAN HOINLARI deganlariga javob bolsa kerak degan umiddaman...va birowni HOIN deyishdan oldin oz tanaylaga oylap korishni ham tavsiya etaman....chunki DINIMIZDA kelgan: agar boshinga qilich kelip Olim muqarrar bolip sandan DINING nima dip soralganda: ISLOM deseng qatl etilishingi bilsang YOLGON sozlashga gunoh emas deyilgan...notogri bolsa togrilavorarsizlar...

P.S. Turkiston legion boyicha ancha muncha postlar bolgandi, moderatorlar yordam qilishsa shu yerga linki bervorishar degan umidda: >>>>>>>>>>


salom lar!

sho post ti oqip ayta man ki xoda ga shokor ki aqilik adam lar ham bo donya ga kam mas very nice explanation ,rahmat siz ga .

[alpum]

Two brothers of my Grandfather left our motherland those days.

I whould like to meet their sons, and to know what happened to them. But, a lot of time left from the day they left and there is no chance seeking them and thier childs.

We hope, maybe some day our relatives will return from far lands. and we will be just glad to see them.

[Uzbek German]

if You talking in general who left they home country after communist came ???

and You trying to solve that Your question: They never took any wealth ????

that is nonces... everyone took they took oven wealth, not some ones...

every one start everything from 0..nul.....and most of them succeeded in they life...rizqiga yarasha...

uzr...bu yerda savolingizni mohiyat tushunarsiz bovotti:

Agar Sizning ajdodlaringiz birorn narsa opketmagan bosa , sizda armonda qolganmisiz degan savolam kep chiqadi..

tushungandirsiz degan umidda.

english , nemis va azgina ozbekchadan boshqa yana qaysi tilda gaplsha olasiz ???


no i don´t mean that i say onec agine .



salam hama azada watan parwar yakhshi aqilik insanlar ga!


Mani bu bir gan sawal siz lardan faqt siz larni nima oylash lrin di bilashi edi.yoq ki xar qanaqa bogor bomagor yaxshi yaman soz lar ya ham dard lik.
man ayt max chidim ki kit kan baba lari miz bir aqilik azad yashash di Mostaqilik di barabarlik di tanjlik di adalat di xahlagan insan lar bolgan lar,wa bu har bir aqilik insan bayt kiti ki kilajak farzand lar ga wa bilma gan lar ga tushin tur sin lar ta olardi gonax dan saxlasin chon natoghri oylash bashqalar di haqiga ham kata gonax .

Rhmat

Salam to all free ,mother land lover or patriot,good and bright peoples!

I have wrote that post(Uzbek people whom left Uzbekistan 70-80 year ago) to know your meinung and say to all that our great grand father or grand father were realy open meind ,patriot,free ,quite good people the left the countery to fight occupation and agration by leaving the countery that time and every one must teach children and who dont know this must learn this and not make a sin becuse thinking bad or false about other people is also sinfull and will be panished by Allah .

Regards Thank you

[corsair]

corsair

Judayam notogri gap...2chi jahon urushida musulmon dinidagilarni nemislar hamma qatori yechintirishganda ularni ham SIZLAR JUHUD ekansizlar deyishgan SUNNAT bolganliklarini korip va ancha muncha musulmonlarga huddi juhudlarga qilingan muomila qilingan...shu holatni Germaniyadigi sobiq Turkiston hukumatini boshligi Mustafa Choqay nemis qomondiligini oldiga olip chiqip ancha muncha MUSULMONLARNI qatagonda saqlab qolgan....

Rahmatlik Ergash Buloqboshi (joylari jannatda bolsin , yahshi odam edi) gapiip bergandila, tahminan esda boricha:

"America qoshinlarini qol ostidigi bolgan harbie lagerlardan birida ancha muncha musulmonlar yani sobiq Turkiston Legion askarlari bolgan...Harbie Asirlarni Rossiyaga qaytarilsa hammasi qatagon qilinayotganmush degan ovozasi tarqalgandan keyin ular America qomondonligiga murojaat etishgan , biz qaytmaymiz dip, shunda bir America officeri bu odamni juda qopol ravishda soroq qilip :

- "Sizlar Vatan Hoini Sizlar, Sizlar Nemis-Fashistlarga hizmat qilgansizlar ", dip
gapirgan
Shunda Ergash aka rahmatlik, eee har bir jonda bir olim, agar botta oladigan bosagam olarkanmiz, yuborvorsayam oris oldirarkan dip, tawakkaliga:

- "Biz Vatanimizni KOMMUNISTlardan ozod qilamiz, DINSIZlardan ozod qilamiz dip bularga qoshildik, lekin SIZLAR butun insoniyat dushmani bolgan dinsiz KOMMUNISTlar bilan birga bolip bizlarni ularni qurboni qilmoqchisizlar , bunda kim HOIN boladi..ozila fikr qilia....."

Officer qaraaap turip sekin: "Qancha odamsizlar tezlikda royhatini tuzip keling"

Chiqsala hamma qarab turipti, ( ulardan anchasi Uzbeklar, Turkmenlar, Qozoq, Qirgiz, Tatar va ancha muncha boshqa millat vakillari yigilganakan, lekin hammasi musulmon va bularni ichida bir qancha ozbek/tojikcha gapirgan "buhor juhud"lariyam omon qolgan degan gaplaram bor....)
- Ha nima bolda Aka, nima qiladigan boldik dip sorashsa: boladigan boldi, omonlik..royhat tuzila tezda dip hamma shu bilan omon qoganakan....

Bu manimcha ancha forumchilarni VATAN HOINLARI deganlariga javob bolsa kerak degan umiddaman...va birowni HOIN deyishdan oldin oz tanaylaga oylap korishni ham tavsiya etaman....chunki DINIMIZDA kelgan: agar boshinga qilich kelip Olim muqarrar bolip sandan DINING nima dip soralganda: ISLOM deseng qatl etilishingi bilsang YOLGON sozlashga gunoh emas deyilgan...notogri bolsa togrilavorarsizlar...

P.S. Turkiston legion boyicha ancha muncha postlar bolgandi, moderatorlar yordam qilishsa shu yerga linki bervorishar degan umidda: >>>>>>>>>>

i do respect your opinion.

lekin Hitler ni tamonida turib o'zini "aka-ukalriga" o'q otish va fascism ni qo'llab quvatlash noto'gri emasmi?
men bilgan urush veteranlari shunday deb aytishgan edi:
kombat v attaku degan paytida musulmon bo'lganlar soldatlar alloh o'zing saqla bizni deb okopdan chiqib kelishgan...

hitler turkiston legionerlariga turkistonni ozod qilib beraman deb vada bermagan... o'zini, germaniya halqini ayamagan odam uzbeklarni yoki boshqa musulmonlarni ayab o'tirar edimi, urush tugagandidan keyin qul qilib ishlatar edida...

sovet armiyasi soldati bo'lib turib nazi tamoniga o'tgan va boshqa davlat misol uchun turkiyalik bo'lib nazi tamonidagi musilmonlariga qo'shilgan odamlarni farqi borku...

nazi larni afrikadagi qo'shinlari qanchadan qancha musulmonlarni qirib tashlagan...

meni fikrimcha, din va jinsni farqi yoq sotqin bo'lib hisoblanishi uchun...

nazi larga katoliklar ham, musulmonlar ham, hristianlar ham qo'shilgan lekin hammasi ham bir bayroq ostida urishga borib boshqa bayroq ostida urushni tamomlamaganku...

ohiri nima bilan tugadi, nazi ideology noto'g'ri bo'lib chiqdi... millionlab odamlar dunyodan ko'z yumdi...

hammaga hurmat bilan...


PS: agar shunchalik qizil armiyaga va sovet hukumatiga qarshi bo'lishsa nega turkistonda qolib qizil armiyaga qarshi kurashishmagan? vatanda qolib kurashishganlarini "bosmachi" deb atashgan va o'shalar vatan uchun qon to'kishgan!

PPS: men hech kimni aybalyotganim yo'q, har bir kishi o'zi qilgan ishlari uchun javob beradi, lekin olamdan o'tganidan keyin, kimlar kimlarni nima deb eslaydi...

[AlbanDra]

mani bobomni bobosi ulgurmay qolgan yo'lda qizillar otib tashashgan tojikiston tarapda

[Royal]

PPS: men hech kimni aybalyotganim yo'q, har bir kishi o'zi qilgan ishlari uchun javob beradi, lekin olamdan o'tganidan keyin, kimlar kimlarni nima deb eslaydi...
togri lekin , koplar asosie mohiyatni bilmaganidan keyin ogizlariga kelganini gapirishadi...

bir kitop boriydi, dohtir yozgan: Tutqunlikda Qamoqhonaga/Asirlika (? esimda yoq aniq ismi kitopni) mi degan osha kitopda ancha batafsil yozilgan bularni hayoti...Armiyada dohtir bolgan, Asirlikda dohtir bolgan, musofirlikda dohtir bogan, Angliyada dohtirlik qilip keyin SSSRga qaytip kegan va toppa togri Sibirdayam qamoq lagerlarida dohtir bogan, butun hayoti sindirilgan....

uni kim eslashadi . . . .

10ta askarga 1ta miltiq bolip qoganlarini qolida yolgon miltiq yoki oddie tayyoq boganda va ozlari qurshoga tuship qosa...qani qaysi birila ozlarilani belilaga bir qancha granatalarni boylap: ZA STALINA dip nemislani oyogini tegiga tashardila ????

bomi oshanaqa "mardlardan" ???? eploliysilami oshanaqa ishni ???

Islomda ozini ozi oldirish bu kotta gunoh dip qoyilganku ????

tarihga bir nazar solish kerakde va hech bomasa osha odamlani ozini ustidan otkazganlarini 1gramini bosayam ozilani ustilada HIS qila olishga qurbila yetishiga ishonasilami ??????

keyin otganlani ustidan biror bir fikr qilishga harakat qilila...

Nazi ideologiyasi togrisida gapirishdan oldin yana bir marta osha tarihga yahshilap koz tashap organish keragiydiki chunki Stalin bilan Gitler dunyoni boswolish togrisida bir birlari bilan kelishimi boriydi, lekin STALIN oddie bir kichik Finlandiyani urushini eplomaganidan keyin Gitler ozini fikrini ozgartirgan...bu togrisida ancha muncha gaplar bor, agar tarihni kovlasayiz....

[corsair]

togri lekin , koplar asosie mohiyatni bilmaganidan keyin ogizlariga kelganini gapirishadi...

bir kitop boriydi, dohtir yozgan: Tutqunlikda Qamoqhonaga/Asirlika (? esimda yoq aniq ismi kitopni) mi degan osha kitopda ancha batafsil yozilgan bularni hayoti...Armiyada dohtir bolgan, Asirlikda dohtir bolgan, musofirlikda dohtir bogan, Angliyada dohtirlik qilip keyin SSSRga qaytip kegan va toppa togri Sibirdayam qamoq lagerlarida dohtir bogan, butun hayoti sindirilgan....

uni kim eslashadi . . . .

10ta askarga 1ta miltiq bolip qoganlarini qolida yolgon miltiq yoki oddie tayyoq boganda va ozlari qurshoga tuship qosa...qani qaysi birila ozlarilani belilaga bir qancha granatalarni boylap: ZA STALINA dip nemislani oyogini tegiga tashardila ????

bomi oshanaqa "mardlardan" ???? eploliysilami oshanaqa ishni ???

Islomda ozini ozi oldirish bu kotta gunoh dip qoyilganku ????

tarihga bir nazar solish kerakde va hech bomasa osha odamlani ozini ustidan otkazganlarini 1gramini bosayam ozilani ustilada HIS qila olishga qurbila yetishiga ishonasilami ??????

keyin otganlani ustidan biror bir fikr qilishga harakat qilila...

Nazi ideologiyasi togrisida gapirishdan oldin yana bir marta osha tarihga yahshilap koz tashap organish keragiydiki chunki Stalin bilan Gitler dunyoni boswolish togrisida bir birlari bilan kelishimi boriydi, lekin STALIN oddie bir kichik Finlandiyani urushini eplomaganidan keyin Gitler ozini fikrini ozgartirgan...bu togrisida ancha muncha gaplar bor, agar tarihni kovlasayiz....

menmi bobom ODDIY sovet soldati bo'lgan, ukrainada urushda ishtirok etishni boshlagan va berlingacha yetib borgan! VATAN uchun nazi ga qarshi kurashganlar!
Urush paytida 2 marta qo'lga tasodifdan tushib qolishgan. birinchi marta nazilar bombejka qilganda okopda bolishgan, bomba 15-20 metr narida portlagan va kantuziya bo'lishgan, ustilariga darahtlar yeqilib bosib qolgan. asirdan 4 oydan keyin rus va azerbajonlar bilan birgalikda qochishgan. ikkinchi marta o'q yeb hushlqaridan ketgan bo'lganlar. asirdan kechasi suv olib keladigan kishining ot aravasini tagiga o'zlarni kamar bilan bog'lab POW camp dan chiqib olishgan, suvchi qayerdadir to'htab aravadan tushgan. bobom otga tosh otib uni chopishga majbur qilishgan. lekin ot to'htamasdan chopa boshlagan kamarlari uzulib chap yelkalari yerga tegib belkuraklarini yarmidan ko'pi yerga ishqalanib yemirilib ketgan...
asirdan qochib qutilib sovet armiyasi egalagan yerga borib "men asirdan qochdim deganlarida" katta qiyinchilik bilan ishonishgan...

aytib o'tganimdek bobomga ham taklif qilishgan legion ga qo'shilishni lekin yo'q deyishgan.sovet armiyasi urushdan keyin bobomga berilgan orden va medallarni tortib olishgan ikki marta asirga tushgan ekansan deb, lekin bobomni nazi lardan qolgan "personal file" larini topishgan va sotqin bo'lmaganliklari aniqlanganidan keyin kechirim so'rab hammasini qaytarishgan...

bundan oldingi postlarimni osmondan olib yozganim yo'q!

PS: turkiston legion iga qo'shilib vatanni bir bosqinchidan qutqarman deb ikkinchi bosqinchini qo'liga tutishdan nima foyda bor?!

[Uzbek German]

salomlar!

Watan di sivilmaq iman dan

Kim ki watan ni ga xidmat qilgan watan ni azad ligi chun orish gan joylari janat bolsin kim ki hoyanat qilgan bol sa xoda orsin.

[Amiri Turkiston]

Гаденыши.

Stalin otangizni va onangizni bir vaqtta ottirib tashlaganda - bunaqa hayol qilib yurmasdiz :twisted:

gap bilan gapni farqi bor!

anitta itte hor qilgan uzbeklarni usha hukumat - uzbeklar urushga miltiq emas ketmoq ko'tarib borgan :evil:

ohirgi tiyinigacha olvogan boylarni ....i yana ularni himoya ham qilish kerakmidi - vo ajabo ;)

[Royal]

Stalin otangizni va onangizni bir vaqtta ottirib tashlaganda - bunaqa hayol qilib yurmasdiz :twisted:

gap bilan gapni farqi bor!

anitta itte hor qilgan uzbeklarni usha hukumat - uzbeklar urushga miltiq emas ketmoq ko'tarib borgan :evil:

ohirgi tiyinigacha olvogan boylarni ....i yana ularni himoya ham qilish kerakmidi - vo ajabo ;)

3kunlik kelinni uyidan : SAN BOYni kelinisan dip ichishiga piyalayam qoldirmasdan opchiqip ketsayu, ertaga KUYOVni askarlikka opketsa ???

oyliysilami osha KUYOV : ZA STALINU deyishini ???

[corsair]

kechirasizlaru, uzbek boylarining hammasi juda yahshi kishi bo'lishgan, hammalari halq ustidan qayg'urishgan ekanda...

ko'chaga chiqib yoshi ulug' kishilardan bir so'rangchi qasi davrda hayot ular uchun yahshi bo'lgan ekan?!

man shahsan sovet davrida to'g'ilganman, SSSR ni vatan deb bilganman.
lekin SSSR gullab yashnagan davlat bo'lgan deb o'ylamayman.dunyoga kelganimda uzbekiston SSSR tarkibida bo'lgan, otam dunyoga kelganda uzbekiston SSSR tarkibida bo'lgan... vatanni tanlab bo'lmaydi...

onamni bobolarini turkmanistonda va uzbekiston katta yerlari bo'lgan, juda boy kishi bo'lishgan ekan, o'sha boylikdan hech nima qolmagan...
buvim otalarini sog'inganlarida turkmanistonga borib otalarini yerlarini ziyorat qilib kelishar edi. o'sha yerdagi yoshi ulug' aholi buvimga bel bukib salom berar edi, ho'jayinni qizi kelibti deb (1970-80 yillarda)...
yosh edim, buva nega o'sha yerlarni sotmaymiz, boy bo'lmaymiz deb so'raganimda - u yerlarni olib qo'yishgan, endi bizniki emasda, hudo bergan, hudo olgan- deb javob berishgan...

stalinga kelsak, stalin buyruqni bergan va kimlardir o'sha buyruqga quloq solganku... uzbekistonda ham stalin uchun deb yonib yashagan uzbeklar bo'lgan... 1 ta emas 10 emas millionlab odamlar stalin uchun deb yashagan...


hozirgi kunda ham stalin qilgan va stalincha ideologiyani qo'llayotgan davlatlar rahbarlari borku...

hammaga hurmat bilan...

PS: tarih bilan ehtiyot bo'lish kerak, bizdan keyingi avlodga bizlarni bugungi kundagi "yangi yozilgan" tarihimiz salbiy tasir qilmasligi kerak...

[corsair]

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[Amiri Turkiston]

corsair: ular ko'r qo'rdek itoatni qo'rqqanligidan qilishgan...

qanday qilib zolim odamni yahshi ko'rib buladi??!!!
anitta minglab odamlarni o'ldirtirgan kerak bulsa...

Stalinni rasmi bor gazetaga murabbo ozgina to'kilganiga odamlarni san halq hoini deb otishgan....

bunday odamlar yahshilikdan ko'ra yomonlikni ko'proq qilgan manimcha...

VAllohu A'lam

[corsair]

corsair: ular ko'r qo'rdek itoatni qo'rqqanligidan qilishgan...

qanday qilib zolim odamni yahshi ko'rib buladi??!!!
anitta minglab odamlarni o'ldirtirgan kerak bulsa...

Stalinni rasmi bor gazetaga murabbo ozgina to'kilganiga odamlarni san halq hoini deb otishgan....

bunday odamlar yahshilikdan ko'ra yomonlikni ko'proq qilgan manimcha...

VAllohu A'lam

tushunaman, turkiston legioniga qo'shilganlar qurqishganidan legionga qo'shilishgan.
bobom menga aytib berishgan edi...
asirga tushib qolishganda, nazi lar juda yahshi munosabatda bo'lishgan ekan. yaralarni hirurglar nazoratida bo'lgan, go'sht ta shokolatlar berib boqishgan ekan. bu albatta bobomda shubha uyg'otgan. legionga qo'shilmayman deganlaridan keyin qo'llarini va oyoqlaridagi barmoqlarni miltiq qo'ndog'i bilan urib sindirishgan va umumiy POW camp ga yuborishgan ekan.
yoshliklarida sport bilan shug'ullanishganligi va matimatik ekanliklarini bilgan nazilar bobomni kelajakda qul qilib ishlatamiz deb o'ldirishmagan...

stalin juda ko'p "crimes against humanity" qilgan lekin hitlerni qilgan ishlari stalinikidan battar emasmi?
stalin "gulag"ida "political prisoners" minglab osib otib o'ldirilgan lekin gitler bu dunyodan yo'q qilib tahslanish kerak deb hissoblagan millatlarni nomlagan, jews, romanians etc...

lekin, faqat stalin yoki ruslar uzbeklarni qiynagan deb aytish menimmcha noto'g'ri...
uzbeklar va buguni markaziy osiyo davlatlari hududida yashyotgan millatlarda ham stalin ideologiyasini qullab quvatlaganlar ham bo'lganku...
biz sovetlarni hammasi ruslar bo'lgan deb ayto olmaymizku, qanchadan qancha uzbeklar kommunist partiyasiga azo bo'lishgan. qishloqlarda ham kolhoz rahbarlari stalinni rasmini o'z honasiga ilib qo'yganku.

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hozirgi kunda ham stalin qilgan va stalincha ideologiyani qo'llayotgan davlatlar rahbarlari borku...

heh...shu gap bilan oz fikrini tasdiqlamoqchi bosen, unda maylin saniki togri deyishdan boshqa narsayamas...

lekin buni otini oz halqiga qarshi: GENOCIDE ham deyishadi....

[Royal]

tushunaman, turkiston legioniga qo'shilganlar qurqishganidan legionga qo'shilishgan.
bobom menga aytib berishgan edi...
asirga tushib qolishganda, nazi lar juda yahshi munosabatda bo'lishgan ekan. yaralarni hirurglar nazoratida bo'lgan, go'sht ta shokolatlar berib boqishgan ekan. bu albatta bobomda shubha uyg'otgan. legionga qo'shilmayman deganlaridan keyin qo'llarini va oyoqlaridagi barmoqlarni miltiq qo'ndog'i bilan urib sindirishgan va umumiy POW camp ga yuborishgan ekan.
yoshliklarida sport bilan shug'ullanishganligi va matimatik ekanliklarini bilgan nazilar bobomni kelajakda qul qilib ishlatamiz deb o'ldirishmagan...

stalin juda ko'p "crimes against humanity" qilgan lekin hitlerni qilgan ishlari stalinikidan battar emasmi?
stalin "gulag"ida "political prisoners" minglab osib otib o'ldirilgan lekin gitler bu dunyodan yo'q qilib tahslanish kerak deb hissoblagan millatlarni nomlagan, jews, romanians etc...

lekin, faqat stalin yoki ruslar uzbeklarni qiynagan deb aytish menimmcha noto'g'ri...
uzbeklar va buguni markaziy osiyo davlatlari hududida yashyotgan millatlarda ham stalin ideologiyasini qullab quvatlaganlar ham bo'lganku...
biz sovetlarni hammasi ruslar bo'lgan deb ayto olmaymizku, qanchadan qancha uzbeklar kommunist partiyasiga azo bo'lishgan. qishloqlarda ham kolhoz rahbarlari stalinni rasmini o'z honasiga ilib qo'yganku.

corsair...

bunga bitta gap:

- "Ehhh otomadim, qabul qilishmadi partiyaga...!!!
- Nime qabul qilishmadi ??
- eeee...bosmachilarga qarshi kurashganmisan, yoki ular bilan birgami deganiga ular bilan birga devdim oshanga !!!
- Eeee, etmasizde, ularga qarshi urishganman dip !!!
- eee nimala devotsiz, qorboshi janobni ozi sorap tursala, qandoq yolgon gapiraman !!"

[corsair]

corsair...

bunga bitta gap:

- "Ehhh otomadim, qabul qilishmadi partiyaga...!!!
- Nime qabul qilishmadi ??
- eeee...bosmachilarga qarshi kurashganmisan, yoki ular bilan birgami deganiga ular bilan birga devdim oshanga !!!
- Eeee, etmasizde, ularga qarshi urishganman dip !!!
- eee nimala devotsiz, qorboshi janobni ozi sorap tursala, qandoq yolgon gapiraman !!"

true very true :lool: