Why not to Legalize Them?

[Prince]

Since men are more interested in these stuff, i opened it here

Why not to legalize some stuff in Uzbekistan....

Guns: If you wanna buy one, why not to TAX ( charge them a lot!!) them give them license, and let them have it whatever they wanna have it! Bc even if you dont let them have it , they can get it illegally , and still have it!!! From Economic Stand point, It'll be useful for economy bring more revenue as the TAX,

2nd Thing: Customized Car Plates: There are famous Plate numbers in Tashkent something like 10 X 1111 ,10 X 7777 , 10 X 0007 and 10 XX 002, ( people paying a lot of money for them) and etc... If u want to get them you have to bribe someone, why cant Goverment legalize it and TAX people!!! BRING MORE REVENUE to local Economy; U wanna 1111 one? 7777 one? TAX THEM lots of money! Dont let them BRIBE people!

3rd: Prostitution: I know we are country with Majority Muslims!! I know it's impossible to control it, but there are people who are making money there , illegally , and i personally think that Government either have to have FULLy Control of IT!!! ( Strick regulations , increase fines and etc) OR let them Become LEGAL!!! and Ask them to PAY BIG TAXes!!! If we are somewhere between those 2 options, ppl will make money , Government will not be able to TAX them!


I am not talking about Religion point of View, it's just Economic Point of You!!

P.S I like when MTS(Uzbekistan) started to charge 1000 USD for 100 XXXX numbers, thats good because , MTS cant hide those money as the revenue and all revenue are TAXABLE!


So What do you THINK? :rolleyes:

[erkak#1]

Since men are more interested in these stuff, i opened it here

Why not to legalize some stuff in Uzbekistan....

Guns: If you wanna buy one, why not to TAX ( charge them a lot!!) them give them license, and let them have it whatever they wanna have it! Bc even if you dont let them have it , they can get it illegally , and still have it!!! From Economic Stand point, It'll be useful for economy bring more revenue as the TAX,

2nd Thing: Customized Car Plates: There are famous Plate numbers in Tashkent something like 10 X 1111 ,10 X 7777 , 10 X 0007 and 10 XX 002, ( people paying a lot of money for them) and etc... If u want to get them you have to bribe someone, why cant Goverment legalize it and TAX people!!! BRING MORE REVENUE to local Economy; U wanna 1111 one? 7777 one? TAX THEM lots of money! Dont let them BRIBE people!

3rd: Prostitution: I know we are country with Majority Muslims!! I know it's impossible to control it, but there are people who are making money there , illegally , and i personally think that Government either have to have FULLy Control of IT!!! ( Strick regulations , increase fines and etc) OR let them Become LEGAL!!! and Ask them to PAY BIG TAXes!!! If we are somewhere between those 2 options, ppl will make money , Government will not be able to TAX them!


I am not talking about Religion point of View, it's just Economic Point of You!!

P.S I like when MTS(Uzbekistan) started to charge 1000 USD for 100 XXXX numbers, thats good because , MTS cant hide those money as the revenue and all revenue are TAXABLE!


So What do you THINK? :rolleyes:


1st - It can get out of control. Guns are not for us.

2nd - What's the difference? Bribe cops or give that money to the government? Cops are gonna feed with that money their families... and what will government do with that money? Agar buni legalize qisa, unda 1950 la nima bo'ladi? :D

3rd - Legalized Prostitution?! Not for us.

[Prince]

1st - It can get out of control. Guns are not for us.
2nd - What's the difference? Bribe cops or give that money to the government? Cops are gonna feed with that money their families... and what will government do with that money?
3rd - Legalized Prostitution?! Not for us.


1st: People having it anyway! And those people who have it , they never use those guns, they just think they "need" one and they have it! They just think "ohh i have one, i feel secure , even though they never use them, they dont know how to use them" !!! The point is: YOU KNOW WHO HAS GUN ( GOVERMENT will know it) + Government will TAX them!

2nd: difference more money to local economy not to someone's pocket

3rd: krishali qiladigan/krishasi bor - "public house" for us? , legal prostitution not for us? :rolleyes:

[erkak#1]

1st: People having it anyway! And those people who have it , they never use those guns, they just think they "need" one and they have it! They just think "ohh i have one, i feel secure , even though they never use them, they dont know how to use them" !!! The point is: YOU KNOW WHO HAS GUN ( GOVERMENT will know it) + Government will TAX them!

2nd: difference more money to local economy not to someone's pocket

3rd: krishali qiladigan/krishasi bor - "public house" for us? , legal prostitution not for us? :rolleyes:


1st - It will get out of control. People will start to kill each other for nothing. Don't you know uzbeks? :)

2nd - It will start a big mafioso way. Then you will be giving a bribe to everyone to get that customized car plate...

3rd - It is better that way.

[uzbekcfa2]

u talk about "or", "iffat" and religious stuff in your other posts, but here you talk about legalizing prostitution. weird.

[Prince]

u talk about "or", "iffat" and religious stuff in your other posts, but here you talk about legalizing prostitution. weird.

Thats why i wrote it there, READ IT FIRST!!!

I WROTE:


I am not talking about Religion point of View, it's just Economic Point of You!!

[uzbekcfa2]

READ ****ING POST FIRST !!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


do not get excited. keep your ****in feelings to yourself.

[Prince]

do not get excited. keep your ****in feelings to yourself.

I edited, YOU READ FIRST okay? THEN YOU CONCLUDE!!!!! OR SAY SOMETHING!

I undestand, i post a lots of Posts in Religion board, but i cautioned you that it's ECONOMIC POINT OF VIEW!!!!!!

WE HAVE 90% MUSLIM in our country , and
YOU KNOW HOW MANY STIP CLUBS WE HAVE in Tashkent?
HOW MANY "PUBLIC HOUSE" WE HAVE?
HOW MANY PROSTITUTE GIRLS WE HAVE!?
DONT YOU THINK IT"S WIERD? Indeed , it's! But my post , once again was from Economic Point of View!
Thanks

[Aziz]

well...
From economical point of view these are wonderful steps...but ,and there is always "butt" :lol:. Isolating economical decisions from the society is a big mistake. I don't have any idea about Uzbekistan but by comparing to Saudi Arabia every city is different. I mean what's happening in Tashkent might not be acceptable in Andijon or Namangan. People's mentality are different. We don't want to follow the one who said "if you can't beat them, join them". A better suggestion is to work for eliminating these negative pictures.

[Exclusive]

I'm absolutely disagree with 1st one.
Look at the US high schools, how crazy teens shot their classmates....


Кейин "понт" боладими, кимда энг зури деб?

[Asadbek]

Why not to legalize some stuff in Uzbekistan....

1st. Guns - Bo'lmaydi. Jangovor qurol-aslaha olib yurish imkoniyati yoki huquqi Huquq-tartibot organlari xodimlarida qolaversin...
Ovchi miltig'i saqlashga esa ruxsat bor.


2nd. Customized Car Plates - Buni amalga oshirish mumkin... Bundan jamiyatga menimcha zarar yo'q.


3rd. Prostitution - UMUMAN BO'LMAYDI!
Fohishabozlik qonunlashtirildi, deb, urug'i ko'payib ketadi-ku... Jamiyatni buzilishini juda jadallashtirib yuborasiz-ku...
Tasavvur qiling, televizorda reklama ketyapti: "Shahzoda" fohishaxonasi sizlarni hordiq chiqarishga chorlaydi! :shock:

Yoki 1 ta fohisha 2-fohishani soliq inspekciyasi eshigi oldida uchratib qoldi:
- Falonchioy, fohishalik bo'yicha oktyabr oyiga soliq to'lab chiqyapsanmi? :shock:

Abdurayim Mamarayimga aytyapti:
- Fohishalarni narxi ko'tarilibdi... Soliq oshibdi ekan... :shock:

Bobur Angliyadan, Yobur AQSHdan ta'tilga qaytishdi. Chorsu bozorini aylanib chiqib, rasmlarga olib, Ko'kaldosh madrasasi oldida birgalikda suratga tushib, reja qilishyapti:
- Yobur, kechqurun qayerda ko'rishamiz?
- Davay Bobur, Navoiy 35 da "Nafosat" degan fohishaxona ochilibdi. Hamma maqtayapti... O'sha yerga boramiz.

:shock:


Bibihonimning nevaralari, Kumushbibining singillari o'zlaridan hanuz ibo taratib yurgan yurtda yuqoridagi narsalar yarasharmikin?..

[corsair]

uzbek kishiga qurol sotib olishga ruhsat berish mumkin emas!

jalimiz tez chiqadigan halqmiz... qurol sotib olishga ruhsat berishi bilan 3-4 kunda o'rta osiyoda hech kim qolmiydiku... :lool:

faraz qiling, reklama: toshkentning kindigida joylashgan supermarket "kallakesar" sizlarni eng qulay va arzon qurol va aslahalarni sotib olishni taklif qiladi... dunyoning barcha mamlakatlaridan keltirilgan namunali pistolet, miltiq va avtomatlar bor... bir magazin ak47 o'qlarini sotib olsangiz ikkinchisi yarim narh... tillani suvi bilan "esdalik", "otadan o'g'ilga", "to'yingiz qutlug' bo'lsin", "singlingdan to'g'ilgan kuninga" "kill 'em all", "eat this", "chipron" deb yozilganlaridan ham bor...

:lool:

2-masala. i dont give a flying banana about custom made number plates...
menga desa "muppet 001" deb davlat raqamiga ruhsat bermaydimi...
dunyoda keng tarqalgan narsa. lekin tcenzura bulishi kerak, kattalik qiladiganlarni osmonga qaytarib tushurish uchun :-D

3-masala... agar ularni legalizatciyalashtirsak yigitlar uylanmay qo'yadiku...

[inDecision]

I disagree on your first point, support the second one, and think can discuss the third.

Guns: Never ever guns should be allowed for public in our society. I have very subjective reasoning for that. I think Uzbeks, especially today, can get angry very quickly. People are not tolerant like in Europe or in the US. It will aslo cause more crimes

Plates: it could be beneficial to the State's budget

Prostitution: from economic standpoint positive, but morally not acceptable

[Prince]

Bo'larkanu Fakat FIKR bildirsayam a?
Anetta "ikkiyuzlamachi" divotti bittasi , bittasi yana bir nima......, Gap bosa boldi :(

[Prince]

Bibihonimning nevaralari, Kumushbibining singillari o'zlaridan hanuz ibo taratib yurgan yurtda yuqoridagi narsalar yarasharmikin?..

Qatartolda turib "taxi" tohtatsa yarashvottimi!? yoq!

Yo Strip Club-da V.I.P bosez ( pulini tolasez) Full Service qisa yaraashvottimi? Yoq :evil:

Hayron qolasan kishi , Legalizatsia qilish kere disa YOQ deydi ( manam qarshiman Legalizatsia qilishga) Lekin , Kochada yursa xech kim xech nima indamaydi , sekin borib kelurish AYB emas! Lekin PINXONA BOSIN PINXONA!!!! Bandasi kormasa YARATGAN KORIB TURIBDI!

Bunday nechi dur yil avval Tijorat bilan Turkiaga ketvotganimda, Tashkent - IST , bitta chiroyli qizni korib qogan edim, qaysi viloyatdanligi esimda yoq, lekin shunaqa chiroyliiiiii qiz edi prosto soz bilan tarif qilish qiyin!!! Make up xam yoq yuzida xech nimasi yoq!! Tabiy Gozallik edi!
Shu yonida utib ketib , gap otmoqchi boldim qarasam yonida ota onasi yoqde...

Prince: Qatga Ketvos?
Qiz: Istanbulga.....
Prince: yozish nechida?
Qiz: 16.....
Prince: 16????????????
Qiz: Xa
Prince: nima qilas o'tta?

I orqadigi hotin "mamashkasi" manga gapirib qoldi "Tinchlimi? Qizimga nime gap otvos?" u hotin aqlim etishicha bitta unimas boshqalarni xam shunaqa ob otarkan........ keyin ettim

Prince: Ketasanmi uyga? Opketaman? Nima qilasan Istanbulda? Yaxshimas otta...
Qiz: Yoq, boring joyizga o'tiring!!!!!


Osha paytda surishtirsam Qizla cherez Istanbul Bahrain-mi qaysidur ARAB MAMLAKATLARIGA otisharkan!!! :evil:

ANA BIBIXONIMMI NAVARALARI!!!!! :(

[coolio]

Absolutely NO GUNS! Legalizing guns will result in school shootings like Virginia Teck, or some other high schools. For fact I know that there are some "over the edge" dudes playing shooter games 24/7. Ethnically, comparing to other Central Asian states, we are more prone to aggression.We usually start the fights. Our nation is not at the stage of for letting your hands guns. Especially,due to current immense economic circumstances in Uzbekistan,people with armors can kill any government officials. People are managing to kill with cold guns,like knives, ax. That's wassap. From economical perspective, it's no good, but bad for our social fiber.

What I heard was custom license plates are already in effect in Tashkent. Maybe I'm wrong. Someone was talking about seeing a plate "10 _|DODA"

No comments about prostitution. We are not ought to make the same mistake that Turkey did. I never knew that Turkey had a legalized prostitution. Is that true? In a secular Islamic country?

[PainKiller]

Qonunlar o'yinchoq bulib ketkan jamiyatda, qurollarni qonunlashtirish g'irt no'to'g'ri ish bo'ladi. Moshinani minib, boyvuchaning bollari kambagallni urib ketib kamalmasdan yurganlari etar, endi qo'llariga to'pponcha ushlatib qo'yish qoluvdi.
Fohishalikni qonunlashtirishga esa umuman qarshiman. Nalog debsizlar, endi shunaqa harom-harich qilib nalog yig'ish qoluvdi, Huddi bu nalogdan oddiy odamlarga bir tiyin foyda bordaqa. Bo'lganda ham, farzandlar oldida javobgarlik degan narsa bor. Bir kun kelib o'sha qonun uchun ovoz bergan azamatlar, o'gil-qizinining "Dadajon, o'shanda nega fohishalikni qonuniylashtirishga ovoz bergansiz?" desa, nima deb javob berishar ekan?

[Iqra]

It is not about having huge tax revenues it is about how the government distributes it…Great Britain has more than 400 billion pounds tax revenue from national insurance and income tax alone and yet their National health system is a disaster, their roads and other infrastructure is the worst in Western Europe. On contrary, South East Asian countries have miraculously grown, even though they have minimised or completely abolished certain taxes. The largest taxes in Islamic Civilisation of the past was 2.5 percent, and yet when Khalifah wanted to distribute tax revenue in Northern Africa, there was not a singe person to claim those funds.
If you really want to boost the economy of Uzbekistan,then I suggest you to tackle corruption, so that tax revenue would be distributed to people and not winding up in Swiss accounts of few social Elite.

1. Legalising guns. But let me draw your attention to US. Guns are sold freely in most of the states. And believe me, the only people that benefit from that are gun manufacturers. Ordinary people are suffering the consequences of gun legalisation.

2. Customized Car Plates ...I do not really see how this is going to help to boost the Economy of Uzbekistan, most ordinary people; dehqans do not have Lamborghinis to have Customized Car Plates.;)


3. No Comment… I think we must be ashamed, if we really believe that it will some how help the economy and our people… Let’s educate those women ( who are our sisters, mothers of future Uzbek generation) protect them in all possible way, but do not let to fall so low as to use them as a tool to earn money …

[Prince]

Point is: WHy i have to give someone 1000 USD for Car Plate Number? When i pay only 12 400 (10$) som to State BUDGET!!! Make it Legal!! Why should we give money to someone?
Change price offically to 1000 USD if you want Cutomized Plate or Any XXXX number!!!!


What I heard was custom license plates are already in effect in Tashkent. Maybe I'm wrong. Someone was talking about seeing a plate "10 _|DODA"

Not yet!!!!! Imenno osha "Davlatda Tenglik bolsin" deb 0001 0002 , va shunaqa nomerlarni xech kimga berishmayapgan edi!!! 1000 somli bogan nomer 3000$ ga chiqib ketti!!! Ahamiyat bersangiz 0001 0002 nomerlik moshinar kopchiligi anunaqa eski moshinalar Zaparoj , Jiguli va hakazolar.., AHMOQLIK bu!!! ODAMLAR ZAPAROJ olib Oshanaqa nomer olib keyin anunaqa uzini moshinasiga yana "shapka" berib kimgadur!!! Engi moshinasiga perekidka qilishganini xam kordim!

[PainKiller]

Point is: WHy i have to give someone 1000 USD for Car Plate Number? When i pay only 12 400 (10$) som to State BUDGET!!! Make it Legal!! Why should we give money to someone?
Change price offically to 1000 USD if you want Cutomized Plate or Any XXXX number!!!!
Point is you don't have to, You choose to.

[Prince]

Point is you don't have to, You choose to.

Nado legalizovat!!!! Plotit poluchay vse chto hochesh! no chtob dengi vse popadali v gos budjet!!!!!


A vot MTS , COSCOM , Beeline oni molodci!!!!
Hochesh bit krutim!? Hochesh 1xx 1111, 7xx 7777? Plotit! I pojalusta!

[uzbekcfa2]

WE HAVE 90% MUSLIM in our country , and
YOU KNOW HOW MANY STIP CLUBS WE HAVE in Tashkent?
HOW MANY "PUBLIC HOUSE" WE HAVE?
HOW MANY PROSTITUTE GIRLS WE HAVE!?
DONT YOU THINK IT"S WIERD? Indeed , it's! But my post , once again was from Economic Point of View!
Thanks


I havent been home for a long time, that's why I dunno what the situation is like. if it's really like you are saying, it's very bad. and this is all i can say.

but you should think about pluses and minuses of whatn you are suggesting. whta kind of economic profit you talkin about? those who collect taxes from prostitutes...you nthink they give the money to the government...they put it into their pocket i guess.
but most importantly isnt it very dirty to make oney on that. :) it's the same as acting like a PIMP. fuuuuuu....even worse, cuz now you have even legalized your business.
anyways, i know this will never happen in uzb. Thanks god.

[uzbekcfa2]

i hear from my friends that it's so cool in Tashkent to have those fancy car plates and telephone numbers. one told me that if you have a unique phone number, people themselves call you and give you the price. Unfortunately, my brain cannot digest such a stupidity.

but these things are ok, as long as you leave alone legalizing prostituiton. :)

[Пушкарева]

Its seems like the only chapter that someone has barely read from the Econ 101 textbook was "Fiscal policy and tax revenues".

[Prince]

xaxaxaxaxa, just say it , saY YOU READ IT POORLY!

Either you say something direcly , or you keep silence!!!!!

P.S To chto ya govoryu pomojet "reduce" corruption in UZB

[uzbekcfa2]

Its seems like the only chapter that someone has barely read from the Econ 101 textbook was "Fiscal policy and tax revenues".


sorry, what was that chapter about?:rolleyes: i kinda skipped most of the lectures in my econ class:P

[Пушкарева]

then you better purchase the textbook or google online resources, but dont even try to figure the topic out from the thread. he'd definitely fail the econ class.


sorry, what was that chapter about?:rolleyes: i kinda skipped most of the lectures in my econ class:P

[Unique]

1-What is the legalization of guns needed for? Let it be so and we would be witnessing the same black events as they are "accidentally", "unintentionally" happening in the US;
2-Fancy car plates...Who actually, started this tradition? Legalize it or not, one cannot guarantee that it would prevent bribing :) ;
3-Instead of legalizing the prostitution, the government must take better actions against this bizarre bazaar;

i hear from my friends that it's so cool in Tashkent to have those fancy car plates and telephone numbers. one told me that if you have a unique phone number, people themselves call you and give you the price. Unfortunately, my brain cannot digest such a stupidity.
:)

When did you visit the country last time? :)
People are exposed to this "culture" for decades in Uzbekistan.
I have been telling about this stuff to Americans and their brains neither can digest it. :P

[Glance]

2-Fancy car plates...Who actually, started this tradition? Legalize it or not, one cannot guarantee that it would prevent bribing :) ;


Aha, bu naloggi ustiga keyin yana "shapka"siyam qo'shiladi :lol:

[Prince]

Aha, bu naloggi ustiga keyin yana "shapka"siyam qo'shiladi :lol:

O'zbeka gapiriyu keyin qoch digan ekan , bittasi , lol ;)

[dauphin]

Aha let's also legalize killing in some places during some hours. Government will control everything. You pay for government and take a shotgun sit waiting for your victim. When he appears you shoot him right in the forehead.

[Aziz]

Absolutely NO GUNS! Legalizing guns will result in school shootings like Virginia Teck, or some other high schools. For fact I know that there are some "over the edge" dudes playing shooter games 24/7. Ethnically, comparing to other Central Asian states, we are more prone to aggression.We usually start the fights. Our nation is not at the stage of for letting your hands guns. Especially,due to current immense economic circumstances in Uzbekistan,people with armors can kill any government officials. People are managing to kill with cold guns,like knives, ax. That's wassap. From economical perspective, it's no good, but bad for our social fiber.


I agree with you...even here in Saudi, Uzbeks are well known of their hot temper, they get angry very quickly. Actually one of the biggest crimes in Saudi was within an Uzbek family. A guy killed his wife, children, his wife's sister, her children and her husband totaling 11 people!!!

[Asadbek]

Hayron qolasan kishi , Legalizatsia qilish kere disa YOQ deydi ( manam qarshiman Legalizatsia qilishga) Lekin , Kochada yursa xech kim xech nima indamaydi , sekin borib kelurish AYB emas! Lekin PINXONA BOSIN PINXONA!!!! Bandasi kormasa YARATGAN KORIB TURIBDI!

Prince,
men siz aytayotgan narsalarni yurtimizda yo'q, demadim.
Siz o'rtaga tashlagan fikr - fohishabozlikni qonuniylashtirishga ketadigan harakatni o'sha fohishabozlikni yo'qotish maqsad qilingan kurashni rivojlantirishga qaratish kerak.

[Abu-Hafiza]

Prince, boshqa taklif bor edi:

1 Guns, you mentioned that people have them anyways, the percentage of people who have them is very very low compared to UK for example (where by the way, guns are illegal). Why dont we just collect those guns and punish those who posess it and plus make it impossible to "buy guns"?
2. Plates, well, I like that idea (customized plates)
3. Why dont we just burn those prostitution houses and punish those who goes there?

[Vector]

i am with the idea of legalising the selling of plates but totally against selling guns(see US practice) and absolutely against prostitution, the government budget should not be filled with HARAM sources of finance.