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Jaklinka
11-05-2007, 11:55 AM
Tradicii...tradicii... inogda oni horoshi...inogda net... Bolshinstvo iz nas predstaviteli uzbekckoy molodeji, ya dumayu stoilobi nam pogovorit k primeru o proishodoyashem v nashe vremia situacii za granicey.
Sushestvuet li vse eshe podobnoe vliyanie so storoni roditeley/rodstvennikov naschastem devushki, kotoroy vsego lish 18 i kotoruyu prosto neobhodimo--NADO vidat zamuj? Ilije mi nemnogo evropizirovalis i roditeli dayut svoimi nenaglyadnim svobodi a inoy raz daje pravo vibore?!
Nu davayte podelimsia u kogo kakaya istoriya est, mojet svami ne proishodilo, askem nibud iz druzey...?, Mne 23, projivaya 4.5 goda v US s semey,'schitayut' samim luchshim variantom otpravit menia v Tash i vidat zamuj...?! s kotorim ya budu znakomtsia cherez svah.
Tak chto je vajnee: Sozdat krepkuyu semyu ne znaya za kogo vihodish zamuj ili jdat v nadejde lyubit i bit lyubimoy ( ob idealnom variante ya ne govoryu) ?

Shambles
11-05-2007, 12:15 PM
Tradicii...tradicii... inogda oni horoshi...inogda net... Bolshinstvo iz nas predstaviteli uzbekckoy molodeji, ya dumayu stoilobi nam pogovorit k primeru o proishodoyashem v nashe vremia situacii za granicey.
Sushestvuet li vse eshe podobnoe vliyanie so storoni roditeley/rodstvennikov naschastem devushki, kotoroy vsego lish 18 i kotoruyu prosto neobhodimo--NADO vidat zamuj? Ilije mi nemnogo evropizirovalis i roditeli dayut svoimi nenaglyadnim svobodi a inoy raz daje pravo vibore?!
Nu davayte podelimsia u kogo kakaya istoriya est, mojet svami ne proishodilo, askem nibud iz druzey...?, Mne 23, projivaya 4.5 goda v US s semey,'schitayut' samim luchshim variantom otpravit menia v Tash i vidat zamuj...?! s kotorim ya budu znakomtsia cherez svah.
Tak chto je vajnee: Sozdat krepkuyu semyu ne znaya za kogo vihodish zamuj ili jdat v nadejde lyubit i bit lyubimoy ( ob idealnom variante ya ne govoryu) ?

Takimi "tempami" ty sebe muja na forume naydesh'... Zdes' parney jelayuschih jenit'sta prud prudi...:D

On: traditsii - vesch' horoshaya, no traditsii doljny byt' gibkimi inogda... Naprimer, v tvoyem sluchaye, vryad li u Vas budet mnogo obschego, yesli tvoy jenih budet iz Tashkenta, kot. on nikogda ne pokidal... Luchshiy variant vstretit' cheloveka v shtatah so shojimi interesami i tsennostyami, nu a yesli on budet yesche odnoy natsional'nosti, to vse budet prosto zamechatel'no... Obstoyatel'niy razgovor s roditelyami (SWOT analysis) mojet razreshit' dannuyu dilemmu...

1985eva
11-05-2007, 12:37 PM
Tradicii...tradicii... inogda oni horoshi...inogda net... Bolshinstvo iz nas predstaviteli uzbekckoy molodeji, ya dumayu stoilobi nam pogovorit k primeru o proishodoyashem v nashe vremia situacii za granicey.
Sushestvuet li vse eshe podobnoe vliyanie so storoni roditeley/rodstvennikov naschastem devushki, kotoroy vsego lish 18 i kotoruyu prosto neobhodimo--NADO vidat zamuj? Ilije mi nemnogo evropizirovalis i roditeli dayut svoimi nenaglyadnim svobodi a inoy raz daje pravo vibore?!
Nu davayte podelimsia u kogo kakaya istoriya est, mojet svami ne proishodilo, askem nibud iz druzey...?, Mne 23, projivaya 4.5 goda v US s semey,'schitayut' samim luchshim variantom otpravit menia v Tash i vidat zamuj...?! s kotorim ya budu znakomtsia cherez svah.
Tak chto je vajnee: Sozdat krepkuyu semyu ne znaya za kogo vihodish zamuj ili jdat v nadejde lyubit i bit lyubimoy ( ob idealnom variante ya ne govoryu) ?

Ne sovetuyu vashey sem'ye otpravlyat' vas v Tash na poiski jenikha. Perspektivnie molodie lyudi pokidayut Ozbekistan; ili ih tam VOOBSHE NET( grubo govorya). Mojno viyti na takix kto uchitsya/rabotaet zagranizey cherez rodstvennikov, ili tex je svax.
Te kto ostalsya i jil v Tashkente Vam i vashey sem'ye po mentalitetu sovsem ne podoydut. Udachi!!!!

Factory girl
11-05-2007, 01:02 PM
Tradicii...tradicii... inogda oni horoshi...inogda net... Bolshinstvo iz nas predstaviteli uzbekckoy molodeji, ya dumayu stoilobi nam pogovorit k primeru o proishodoyashem v nashe vremia situacii za granicey.
Sushestvuet li vse eshe podobnoe vliyanie so storoni roditeley/rodstvennikov naschastem devushki, kotoroy vsego lish 18 i kotoruyu prosto neobhodimo--NADO vidat zamuj? Ilije mi nemnogo evropizirovalis i roditeli dayut svoimi nenaglyadnim svobodi a inoy raz daje pravo vibore?!
Nu davayte podelimsia u kogo kakaya istoriya est, mojet svami ne proishodilo, askem nibud iz druzey...?, Mne 23, projivaya 4.5 goda v US s semey,'schitayut' samim luchshim variantom otpravit menia v Tash i vidat zamuj...?! s kotorim ya budu znakomtsia cherez svah.
Tak chto je vajnee: Sozdat krepkuyu semyu ne znaya za kogo vihodish zamuj ili jdat v nadejde lyubit i bit lyubimoy ( ob idealnom variante ya ne govoryu) ?

to chto budet krepkaya sem'ya s tem kogo ne znaesh---sporniy vopros
seychas trudno sudit' o chem libo, nujno popitatsya upravlayt' svoey jizn'yu samoy (tem bolee vi ne v Uzb, tem bolee vam 23 goda)
devushki, a stoit li voobshe iskat'??!!
v konce koncov pust' nas ishut, puskay v US zvonyat i prosyat o vstrechah, puskay priglashayut na uchrashuv
vi je ne paren' chtob ehat' v Uzb "za nevestoy"
postaraytes' nastoyat', esli samoy hochetsya...
pro sebya mogu skazat': moim roditelyam menya ne zastavit' :)

p.s. soglasna s mneniem Shambles

Shambles
11-05-2007, 01:10 PM
v konce koncov pust' nas ishut, puskay v US zvonyat i prosyat o vstrechah, puskay priglashayut na uchrashuv


Chertovski pravil'no skazala...:D

Factory girl
11-05-2007, 01:16 PM
Chertovski pravil'no skazala...:D

thnx :)
ponimaniya nam s vami ne zanimat' ;)

1985eva
11-05-2007, 02:04 PM
to chto budet krepkaya sem'ya s tem kogo ne znaesh---sporniy vopros
seychas trudno sudit' o chem libo, nujno popitatsya upravlayt' svoey jizn'yu samoy (tem bolee vi ne v Uzb, tem bolee vam 23 goda)
devushki, a stoit li voobshe iskat'??!!
v konce koncov pust' nas ishut, puskay v US zvonyat i prosyat o vstrechah, puskay priglashayut na uchrashuv
vi je ne paren' chtob ehat' v Uzb "za nevestoy"
postaraytes' nastoyat', esli samoy hochetsya...
pro sebya mogu skazat': moim roditelyam menya ne zastavit' :)

p.s. soglasna s mneniem Shambles

Iskat' stoit.:cool: Vremya je ne stoit na meste :).

Shambles
11-05-2007, 03:43 PM
thnx :)
ponimaniya nam s vami ne zanimat' ;)

Opredelenno!!!;)

Factory girl
11-05-2007, 04:16 PM
Iskat' stoit.:cool: Vremya je ne stoit na meste :).

don't be so desperate and inpassionate my dear, things will happen when they should :)
i'm sure "the one" that is for you, somewhere out there waiting
peshonada ezilgani...

1985eva
11-05-2007, 07:21 PM
don't be so desperate and inpassionate my dear, things will happen when they should :)
i'm sure "the one" that is for you, somewhere out there waiting
peshonada ezilgani...

Practical, not desperate. Peshonadagi cherez 50 let bo'sa, until that time you kind of have to find someone to keep busy.:cool:

Prince
11-05-2007, 07:26 PM
pro sebya mogu skazat': moim roditelyam menya ne zastavit'

Qoyil lekin ;)

Prince
11-05-2007, 07:30 PM
Tradicii...tradicii... inogda oni horoshi...inogda net... Bolshinstvo iz nas predstaviteli uzbekckoy molodeji, ya dumayu stoilobi nam pogovorit k primeru o proishodoyashem v nashe vremia situacii za granicey.
Sushestvuet li vse eshe podobnoe vliyanie so storoni roditeley/rodstvennikov naschastem devushki, kotoroy vsego lish 18 i kotoruyu prosto neobhodimo--NADO vidat zamuj? Ilije mi nemnogo evropizirovalis i roditeli dayut svoimi nenaglyadnim svobodi a inoy raz daje pravo vibore?!
Nu davayte podelimsia u kogo kakaya istoriya est, mojet svami ne proishodilo, askem nibud iz druzey...?, Mne 23, projivaya 4.5 goda v US s semey,'schitayut' samim luchshim variantom otpravit menia v Tash i vidat zamuj...?! s kotorim ya budu znakomtsia cherez svah.
Tak chto je vajnee: Sozdat krepkuyu semyu ne znaya za kogo vihodish zamuj ili jdat v nadejde lyubit i bit lyubimoy ( ob idealnom variante ya ne govoryu) ?

nu ya dumayu chto vy sami zdes doljni reshat toest exat v Tashkent ili net
v Tashkente lyudi uje ne takie kak zdes, toest mentalitet drugoy , poetomu uchitivayte eto toje ;)

Udachi v poiskax "nemo" ;)

Prince
11-05-2007, 07:32 PM
Takimi "tempami" ty sebe muja na forume naydesh'... Zdes' parney jelayuschih jenit'sta prud prudi...

Erkela kop , yaxshisi yo yaxshisi (C) ;)

Jaklinka
11-05-2007, 09:15 PM
don't be so desperate and inpassionate my dear, things will happen when they should :)
i'm sure "the one" that is for you, somewhere out there waiting
peshonada ezilgani...

It's easy to be positive when everything in life is going great! The hard part is staying positive and calm when life kicks U down and knocks U around, and there is nobody to help to figure things out... The fact is no one goes through life untested, U DON"T HAVE to WAIT, untill something is gonna happen at least in my situation, ( hotya och hotela ) cause it's getting more deep and deep with every breath!!! As for me, I can attest that I had faced countless obstacles, energy vampires in my life, and everythinh that I have had to overcome adversity and challanges to define success. Ya doljna staratsia, kolgani peshanamdan kuraman!

Jaklinka
11-05-2007, 09:30 PM
to chto budet krepkaya sem'ya s tem kogo ne znaesh---sporniy vopros
seychas trudno sudit' o chem libo, nujno popitatsya upravlayt' svoey jizn'yu samoy (tem bolee vi ne v Uzb, tem bolee vam 23 goda)
devushki, a stoit li voobshe iskat'??!!
v konce koncov pust' nas ishut, puskay v US zvonyat i prosyat o vstrechah, puskay priglashayut na uchrashuv
vi je ne paren' chtob ehat' v Uzb "za nevestoy"
postaraytes' nastoyat', esli samoy hochetsya...
pro sebya mogu skazat': moim roditelyam menya ne zastavit' :)

p.s. soglasna s mneniem Shambles

Menia nikto ne zastavlyaet i ne diktuyut chto libo delat, da mne 23 , no eto ne znachit chto ya mogu delat kak MNE UDOBNO ( UVAJAYA moh blizkih i nashe TRADICII ) i kak ya jelayu i ya mogu reshat za sebia, a deloje sovsem ne v etom.

Ti govorish chto tolko parni edut v UZB za nevestoy, a devushkam jdat gdeto za granicey, poka jenih doberetsia k nevestke....!? A kak naschet Roditelskih prav?! Grandparents... Oni hotyat uvidet kizini ""TUY""ini...V takom situacii 'k primeru' ( moi net ) tvoi roditeli nastoyat..togda chto...opyat otkajesh, skajesh tebia ne zastavyat...nelzya plevat, mojno i vsebia popast!

uzbekcfa2
11-05-2007, 09:30 PM
it's not about being desperate (what a fool who thinks that way!)...it's about making choices. If your parents want you to get married/if you think at this moment of your life making family is more important than your career/any other reason, why not to get married through traditional way or on your own way. BTW, the first one has been working successfully for ages.

Jaklinka
11-05-2007, 09:31 PM
nu ya dumayu chto vy sami zdes doljni reshat toest exat v Tashkent ili net
v Tashkente lyudi uje ne takie kak zdes, toest mentalitet drugoy , poetomu uchitivayte eto toje ;)

Udachi v poiskax "nemo" ;)


Etyogo ya i boyus nashcet vzaimaponemanie...:shock:

Prince
11-05-2007, 10:01 PM
Etyogo ya i boyus nashcet vzaimaponemanie...:shock:

Nu boyatsa ne nado , ty mojesh prosto poyty posmoret, ya ne dumayu chto u nas v Tashkent ili vobshe v Uzbekistane net takogo kotoriy ne budet tebya ponimat! Est! no Malo! , Prosto zdes mnogo nashix da, no mnogie toje silno izmenilis "amerikosami" stali , a mne eto toj ne nravitsa naprimer...
poetomu tebe sovetuyu poexat v UZB posmoret tam, a potom uje reshit!!!

A boyatsa ne nado ;) Poprobuy , esline poluchitsa, ne nado grustit, vishe golovu i dalshe staraysa... ;)
Udachi,

PS: U menya odna znakomaya uzbechka, ona zdes jila vse jizn! no vse esho tak prekrasno govorit na uzbekskom, daje ya ey zaviduyu poskolku ya toj zayikayus chasto , vot ona toje [ ne smotraya na to chto ona vse jizn jila] vishla zamuj za Uzbeka s Tashkenta! paren toje umniy , inteligentniy, [hotya nikoda ne uchilsa zarubejom]

Glance
11-06-2007, 01:15 AM
O'qib chiqsam, hamma qaysidur ma'noda haq ekan.

Albatta o'zi hamma bilan gaplashib ko'rurgandan ko'ra ota-ona orqali kesa, ko'rib, gaplashib ma'qul bo'sa, natijada, ya'ni hayot davomida qaroridan afsuslanmasa, eng yaxshi yo'li shu deb hisoblayman.

Lekin ikkinchi tarafdan, hozir zamon oldingidaka emas, insonni olasi ichida. Hamma unga yaxshi harakteristika bergani bilan, ota-onangiz: "ana yaxshi bola/qiz, oilasiyam tuzuk ekan" degani bilan, haqiqatda yaxshi inson bo'lmasligi ehtimoli ota-onamiz yashagan davrdan ancha ko'tarilgan. Bu nuqtai nazardan gaplashib, o'zingiz amin bo'lganingiz ma'qul.

Islomda majburlash yo'q. Yashaydigan siz, tanlaydigan ham siz. Ota-onezzi rozi qilib albatta.

Bir narsani tushunmadim, Jaklinka, O'zbekistonga borib bollaga: "Man keldim silani er qigani" disizmi? LOL Sorry for being rude, but that sounds silly. :)

Turmush qurish o'z waqtida bo'lishi kerak albatta, lekin bunga Turmush qurishim KERAK deb yondoshish negadur manga yoqmidi. Kerak albatta, lekin take it easy, taqdir bo'sa, ko'ynizdagi odam chiqib qosa chiqsin, siz ko'rgani borishiz ja "ajoyib" ish bo'ladi. Bollani "case"i boshqa, qizlaniki boshqa. Sizzi o'rnizda bo'ganimda, ishimda davom eturardim, chiqsa chiqdi, chiqmasa "shaldillab" bormasidim. Man uchun musulmon bo'sa bo'ldi, qanaqa millat bo'lishidan qat'i nazar. USda musulmon qurib qoptimi? Qizla naoborot chet eldagi bollaga teygisi kelardi, nega? Chunki dunyo qarashi kengroq, o'zini tutvogan deb hisoblidi, siz shuncha chet elda yashab, endi borib turgan "tipichniy o'zbek" bilan yashay olaman deb o'ylaysizmi?

Uylansela nima qilasila, "yur muhabbat kettik bu yerdan" disizmi? Ishqilib, chummadim... :) Bola janvaram chopqillab "Hop hotin aka" deb ketadimi? Unda umuman peshonam tirishdi, qanaqa turmush bo'larkan deb.. :)

Nima bo'sayam baxtli bo'lin, qatta bo'sayam. Duo qilin, "Hayrlisini bergin" deb. InshaaAlloh yaxshi bo'ladi hammasi. ;)

Abu-Bakr
11-06-2007, 04:23 AM
O'qib chiqsam, hamma qaysidur ma'noda haq ekan.

Albatta o'zi hamma bilan gaplashib ko'rurgandan ko'ra ota-ona orqali kesa, ko'rib, gaplashib ma'qul bo'sa, natijada, ya'ni hayot davomida qaroridan afsuslanmasa, eng yaxshi yo'li shu deb hisoblayman.

Lekin ikkinchi tarafdan, hozir zamon oldingidaka emas, insonni olasi ichida. Hamma unga yaxshi harakteristika bergani bilan, ota-onangiz: "ana yaxshi bola/qiz, oilasiyam tuzuk ekan" degani bilan, haqiqatda yaxshi inson bo'lmasligi ehtimoli ota-onamiz yashagan davrdan ancha ko'tarilgan. Bu nuqtai nazardan gaplashib, o'zingiz amin bo'lganingiz ma'qul.


Hayotda sevib turmush qurganlarning keyinchalik oilalari buzilganini ham ko'ramiz. Sababi, yigit va qiz sevib bir-birini ideal deb tasavvur qiladi. Turmushdan so'ng kamchliklar ko'rina boshlaganda uni qabul qila olmaydi va oila buzilishiga sabab bo'ladi. Shundan kelib chiqib ba'zilar sevmasdan ota-ona topib bergan qizga uylanish kerak degan hulosaga kelishadi.

Mening fikrim qaysi bir holat bo'lmasin, hayot davomida bir-birini kechirib, tushunib yashash kerak. Yana Rasululloh :saws:ning sunnatlariga qaytishga majburmiz. Ularning hayotlari davomida hech kimga "nega bunday qilding, nega qilmading" demaganlari va hech qachon birovni urushmaganlari, har doim kechirib kelganlari - biz uchun katta dars.

Qars ikki qo'ldan chiqadi, eng muhimi - sabr.

Glance
11-06-2007, 04:40 AM
Hayotda sevib turmush qurganlarning keyinchalik oilalari buzilganini ham ko'ramiz. Sababi, yigit va qiz sevib bir-birini ideal deb tasavvur qiladi. Turmushdan so'ng kamchliklar ko'rina boshlaganda uni qabul qila olmaydi va oila buzilishiga sabab bo'ladi. Shundan kelib chiqib ba'zilar sevmasdan ota-ona topib bergan qizga uylanish kerak degan hulosaga kelishadi.

Mening fikrim qaysi bir holat bo'lmasin, hayot davomida bir-birini kechirib, tushunib yashash kerak. Yana Rasululloh :saws:ning sunnatlariga qaytishga majburmiz. Ularning hayotlari davomida hech kimga "nega bunday qilding, nega qilmading" demaganlari va hech qachon birovni urushmaganlari, har doim kechirib kelganlari - biz uchun katta dars.

Qars ikki qo'ldan chiqadi, eng muhimi - sabr.

Gapizga qo'shilaman, lekin o'sha paytlada hech kim narkoman bo'lmagan, ota-onasi uzatib yuborgandan keyin, ming-bir qilig'i chiqip ajrashganlar qancha...Bu narsa endi avjiga chiqyapti. Keyin oldinlari, baxtsiz bo'sayam chidab yashayverardi, hozir esa ajralishlar soni ham ko'p. Bu ham odamlar o'zgarganining dalolati. :)

Ota-ona orqali turmush qurish o'zim uchun ham afzal. Notog'ri tushunmang. Lekin hozir davr boshqa, yoshi ulug'lar tushunmaydigan, farqlay olmaydigan "yangilik"lar juda ko'p. Shuni nazarda tutgandim.

Shambles
11-06-2007, 10:01 AM
Practical, not desperate. Peshonadagi cherez 50 let bo'sa, until that time you kind of have to find someone to keep busy.:cool:

don't be so desperate and inpassionate my dear, things will happen when they should :)
i'm sure "the one" that is for you, somewhere out there waiting
peshonada ezilgani...

Amazing!!! Look at this 1985eva, Factory_girl has also addressed to you as dear... Interesting, ha...:D:D:D

Factory girl
11-06-2007, 10:13 AM
Menia nikto ne zastavlyaet i ne diktuyut chto libo delat, da mne 23 , no eto ne znachit chto ya mogu delat kak MNE UDOBNO ( UVAJAYA moh blizkih i nashe TRADICII ) i kak ya jelayu i ya mogu reshat za sebia, a deloje sovsem ne v etom.

Ti govorish chto tolko parni edut v UZB za nevestoy, a devushkam jdat gdeto za granicey, poka jenih doberetsia k nevestke....!? A kak naschet Roditelskih prav?! Grandparents... Oni hotyat uvidet kizini ""TUY""ini...V takom situacii 'k primeru' ( moi net ) tvoi roditeli nastoyat..togda chto...opyat otkajesh, skajesh tebia ne zastavyat...nelzya plevat, mojno i vsebia popast!

ya pitalas' virazit' svoyu misl',
esli ti uvajaesh svoih roditeley i sobiraeshsya delat' to chto oni skajut, zachem togda sprashivat' mnenie lyudey i otkrivat' temu pod nazvaniem "chto v jizne vajney"?
blago moi roditeli ne sobirayutsya nastaivat', oni schitayut mne reshat', i poetomu mne ne prihoditsya ne v kogo plevat'... i v sebya popadat'...
ya ne agressivno nastroenna i tebya o tom je poproshu,
S uvajeniem

Factory girl
11-06-2007, 10:15 AM
Amazing!!! Look at this 1985eva, Factory_girl has also addressed to you as dear... Interesting, ha...:D:D:D

is it bad to address as "my dear"?
mne kajetsya chto eto "s uvajeniem"

uzbekcfa2
11-06-2007, 10:18 AM
Qizla naoborot chet eldagi bollaga teygisi kelardi, nega? Chunki dunyo qarashi kengroq, o'zini tutvogan deb hisoblidi, siz shuncha chet elda yashab, endi borib turgan "tipichniy o'zbek" bilan yashay olaman deb o'ylaysizmi?

Uylansela nima qilasila, "yur muhabbat kettik bu yerdan" disizmi? Ishqilib, chummadim... :) Bola janvaram chopqillab "Hop hotin aka" deb ketadimi? Unda umuman peshonam tirishdi, qanaqa turmush bo'larkan deb.. :)



uzbekistondagilarni hammasiyam "tipichniy uzbek" masdur.:D

Turmush qurishsa, 1 yilcha yashiydi, keyin etadi eriga, USga bormimizmi utta jannatmakon, olmani ichidan dollar chikadi:D deb yigitni boshini aylantiradi. Yigit bunakangi "shans"ni quldan chiqargisi kemiydi. (balkim shunichunam unga uylanadi:D) Hech yomon joyi yuq. Asosiysi hamma hursand va bahtli!

Shambles
11-06-2007, 10:19 AM
is it bad to address as "my dear"?
mne kajetsya chto eto "s uvajeniem"

mne toje tak vsegda kazalos', do togo momenta, kak Ms Precious One (kak ya yeye teper' velichayu:D) v agressivnoy manere otkazalas' byt' "my dear"...:D

Princess Z
11-06-2007, 10:21 AM
A pomoemu, na segodnyashniy den' uzbeki ochen silno izmenilis, osobenno v otnoshenii voprosa zamujestva. Ya ne mogu govorit za vseh nashih Uzbekov, no bolshinstvo iz nih prosto delayut neveroyatniy progress.naprimer nasha semya ochen progressivnaya, moi roditeli vospitali nas detey v demokraticheskom duhe, nas nikogda ne prijimali, ne depressirovali, u nas daje est svoboda slova v sem'e :)
A tem bolee, roditelya nikogda na menya ne davili, chtobi ya skoree vishla zamuj, a to ostanust straroy devoy :), net, vse dostatochno prosto, eto moy vibor, a oni vsegda menya podderjut i budut uvajat moyo reshenie.
Ya uje delilas na forume s istoriey moego bivshego jeniha :), esli vam interesno, naydite thread "Krik Dushi",tam ya ochen podrobno opisivayu ego sovremennuyu, progressivnuyu semyu, kotoruyu ya znala i zakanchivaetysa nasilnim metodom jenit ego :)
No lichno moyo mnenie, "Vse v tvoih rukah", a ostalnoe eto uje otmazki, glupie prichini i t.d., iz vsego mojno nayti vihod, no inogda mujchini okazivayutsya ochen slabimi, ne v obidu skazano mujchinam, no eto pravda!

Factory girl
11-06-2007, 10:22 AM
mne toje tak vsegda kazalos', do togo momenta, kak Ms Precious One (kak ya yeye teper' velichayu:D) v agressivnoy manere otkazalas' byt' "my dear"...:D

ahhh, eto ya upustila
mojet prosto s ust devushek eto zvuchit po drugomu chem s vashih, mujchina ;)

Shambles
11-06-2007, 10:24 AM
ahhh, eto ya upustila
mojet prosto s ust devushek eto zvuchit po drugomu chem s vashih, mujchina ;)

Mojet byt' i tak, no vse ravno nichego plohogo v "my dear" ne nahoju...;)

Factory girl
11-06-2007, 10:25 AM
Mojet byt' i tak, no vse ravno nichego plohogo v "my dear" ne nahoju...;)

soglasna, net tut nichego plohogo
no vse je esli eve eto ne nravitsya obeshayu v sleduyushiy raz tak ne obrashatsya

Shambles
11-06-2007, 10:28 AM
soglasna, net tut nichego plohogo
no vse je esli eve eto ne nravitsya obeshayu v sleduyushiy raz tak ne obrashatsya

Umnitsa-dochka!!!:lol:

Factory girl
11-06-2007, 10:31 AM
Umnitsa-dochka!!!:lol:

rahmat adajon :)
no davayte je vernyomsya k teme, esli pochitali poslednie zamechaniya, mojet prokommentiruete?
interesno bilo bi uznat' vashe dal'neyshee mnenie na sey schet

Shambles
11-06-2007, 10:53 AM
rahmat adajon :)
no davayte je vernyomsya k teme, esli pochitali poslednie zamechaniya, mojet prokommentiruete?
interesno bilo bi uznat' vashe dal'neyshee mnenie na sey schet

Reasonable comment...

Ya dumayu, chto samoe glavnoe ne kidat'sya v kraynosti i ne iskat' odnoznachnosti... Odnoznachnosti zdes' net i byt' ne mojet (boje, ya sam kidayus' v kraynosti:D) i prichin my vse znayem massu. Yest' schastlivie pary, kot. nahodili drug druga klassicheskim/traditsionnym sposobom, i yest' ne menee schastliviye, kot. nahodili drug druga sami... Poetomu nado probovat' vse vozmojniye varianty i byt' v polnom kontakte i soglasii s roditelyami, ved' oni plohogo svoyemu chadu ne pojelayut (ob isklyucheniyah iz pravil ya govorit' ne hochu)...

1985eva
11-06-2007, 10:54 AM
ahhh, eto ya upustila
mojet prosto s ust devushek eto zvuchit po drugomu chem s vashih, mujchina ;)

Da. Izvinite Mr.Shambles.:cool:

Shambles
11-06-2007, 10:59 AM
Da. Izvinite Mr.Shambles.:cool:

Ooo, Ms Precious One... My apologies then...:D

Factory girl
11-06-2007, 02:26 PM
Reasonable comment...

Ya dumayu, chto samoe glavnoe ne kidat'sya v kraynosti i ne iskat' odnoznachnosti... Odnoznachnosti zdes' net i byt' ne mojet (boje, ya sam kidayus' v kraynosti:D) i prichin my vse znayem massu. Yest' schastlivie pary, kot. nahodili drug druga klassicheskim/traditsionnym sposobom, i yest' ne menee schastliviye, kot. nahodili drug druga sami... Poetomu nado probovat' vse vozmojniye varianty i byt' v polnom kontakte i soglasii s roditelyami, ved' oni plohogo svoyemu chadu ne pojelayut (ob isklyucheniyah iz pravil ya govorit' ne hochu)...

eto verno,
konechno je mi vse deti svoih roditeley i obyazatel'no neobhodimo prislushivatsya k mneniyu starshih i uvajaemih...
vot naprimer moi roditeli rassujdaet podrugomu, oni mne vsegda govoryat: "docha tebe jit", "mi ne hotim chtob ti nas potom vinila" i v to je vremya nenavashevo dayut soveti (za eto ya tak blagodarna roditelyam, i bogotvoryu ih)
Pri etom ya ne brosayus' v kraynosti i vsegda sovetuyus'
deystvitel'no inogda strashno oshibitsya, no mi jivem a znachit oshibaemsya (hotya ne hotelos' bi)
no esli bi kajdiy znal chto on delaet pravilniy vibor, togda kuda denetsya zakonomernost'---chernie i belie polosi...

Shambles
11-06-2007, 03:37 PM
eto verno,
konechno je mi vse deti svoih roditeley i obyazatel'no neobhodimo prislushivatsya k mneniyu starshih i uvajaemih...
vot naprimer moi roditeli rassujdaet podrugomu, oni mne vsegda govoryat: "docha tebe jit", "mi ne hotim chtob ti nas potom vinila" i v to je vremya nenavashevo dayut soveti (za eto ya tak blagodarna roditelyam, i bogotvoryu ih)
Pri etom ya ne brosayus' v kraynosti i vsegda sovetuyus'
deystvitel'no inogda strashno oshibitsya, no mi jivem a znachit oshibaemsya (hotya ne hotelos' bi)
no esli bi kajdiy znal chto on delaet pravilniy vibor, togda kuda denetsya zakonomernost'---chernie i belie polosi...

Tvoi roditeli mudro postupayut... Chest' im i hvala...

My vse budem znat', kak pravil'no postupat', kogda nam stuknet let po 80...:D

Factory girl
11-06-2007, 03:52 PM
Tvoi roditeli mudro postupayut... Chest' im i hvala...

My vse budem znat', kak pravil'no postupat', kogda nam stuknet let po 80...:D

spasibo bol'shoe za chest' i hvalu, eto mnogo znachit
i v 80 mojno ne znat' kak postupat' (no uje blije)
eto kak vi pravil'no zametili vopros sporniy, tak kak mi mojem dumat' chto mi postupaem pravil'no a kto-to mojet osudit'
takje i s roditelyami---oni hotyat nam tol'ko luchshego, i delayut vsyo vo blaga nam, jeniha(nevestu) oni toje mogut devushke(parnyu) vibirat' dumaya chto tak luchshe, no ved' neizvestno kak i chto budet dal'she
zdes' i dalee spornaya situaciya---komu roditeli nashli jeniha(nevestu) i kto v brake schastliv mogut vozrazit, mol tak i nado..
a kto net---chto eto neverno
tak chto vsyo v etom mire otnositel'no

Shambles
11-06-2007, 03:57 PM
spasibo bol'shoe za chest' i hvalu, eto mnogo znachit
i v 80 mojno ne znat' kak postupat' (no uje blije)
eto kak vi pravil'no zametili vopros sporniy, tak kak mi mojem dumat' chto mi postupaem pravil'no a kto-to mojet osudit'
takje i s roditelyami---oni hotyat nam tol'ko luchshego, i delayut vsyo vo blaga nam, jeniha(nevestu) oni toje mogut devushke(parnyu) vibirat' dumaya chto tak luchshe, no ved' neizvestno kak i chto budet dal'she
zdes' i dalee spornaya situaciya---komu roditeli nashli jeniha(nevestu) i kto v brake schastliv mogut vozrazit, mol tak i nado..
a kto net---chto eto neverno
tak chto vsyo v etom mire otnositel'no

V etom voprose ne sovsem vajen metod, vajen rezul'tat (a rezul'tat ne otnositelen), hotya nayti samomu/samoy svoyu/svoyego sujenuyu/sujenogo v kakoy-nibud' veseloy situatsii, a potom vsyu jizn' rasskazyvat' istoriyu Vashego znakomstva vsem svoim znakomim, kot. etu istoriyu uje slyshali raz 50 dovol'no prikol'no...:D

P.S. pravo ne stoit...:D

Factory girl
11-06-2007, 03:59 PM
Tradicii...tradicii... inogda oni horoshi...inogda net... Bolshinstvo iz nas predstaviteli uzbekckoy molodeji, ya dumayu stoilobi nam pogovorit k primeru o proishodoyashem v nashe vremia situacii za granicey.
Sushestvuet li vse eshe podobnoe vliyanie so storoni roditeley/rodstvennikov naschastem devushki, kotoroy vsego lish 18 i kotoruyu prosto neobhodimo--NADO vidat zamuj? Ilije mi nemnogo evropizirovalis i roditeli dayut svoimi nenaglyadnim svobodi a inoy raz daje pravo vibore?!
Nu davayte podelimsia u kogo kakaya istoriya est, mojet svami ne proishodilo, askem nibud iz druzey...?, Mne 23, projivaya 4.5 goda v US s semey,'schitayut' samim luchshim variantom otpravit menia v Tash i vidat zamuj...?! s kotorim ya budu znakomtsia cherez svah.
Tak chto je vajnee: Sozdat krepkuyu semyu ne znaya za kogo vihodish zamuj ili jdat v nadejde lyubit i bit lyubimoy ( ob idealnom variante ya ne govoryu) ?

kstati eshe hochu dobavit' k vishe uje skazannomu: poymite lyudi rassujdayut, delayut vivodi-vernie i ne vernie
to chto ya napisala eto ne oznachaet chto vse doljni menya slushat',
takje ya mogu oshibatsya
ya pishu eto chtobi uslishat' protivopolojnie misli idushie vrazrez s moimi---i esli pochuvstvuyu chto ne prava budu menyat' svoyu tochku zreniya
u menya vozrast pochti takoy je kak i vash poetomu sama ishu istinnu...

Factory girl
11-06-2007, 04:00 PM
V etom voprose ne sovsem vajen metod, vajen rezul'tat (a rezul'tat ne otnositelen), hotya nayti samomu/samoy svoyu/svoyego sujenuyu/sujenogo v kakoy-nibud' veseloy situatsii, a potom vsyu jizn' rasskazyvat' istoriyu Vashego znakomstva vsem svoim znakomim, kot. etu istoriyu uje slyshali raz 50 dovol'no prikol'no...:D

P.S. pravo ne stoit...:D

ne stoit chto?

Shambles
11-06-2007, 04:01 PM
ne stoit chto?

LOL!!! Blagodarit' za chest' i hvalu...;)

Factory girl
11-06-2007, 04:03 PM
LOL!!! Blagodarit' za chest' i hvalu...;)

ne stoit ya znayu ;)
no vse je blagodaryu

Charmed
11-06-2007, 05:32 PM
Iz za togo chto "nujno" zamuj ili jenitsya, tebe stuknulo skolko to ( 20 25 30 ) ne nujno etogo delat' kak bi tut nashi roditeli ne bili pravi Ya soglasna vse mi, nashi roditeli hotyat uvidet' svadbu no.... Sem'ya eto ochen bolshaya otvetstvenost', vse eto vi i bez menya znaete, hotite li vi sami etogo, gotovi li vi brat' v sebya otvetstvennost' zadumaytes' Dopustim poehali vi Tashkent ( da hot' vstretite ego v USA, forume tp td ), vstretilis, sigrali svadbu Na minutu zadumaytes' vam nujno projit' s etim chelovekom VSYU svoyu ostavshuyusya jizn', rasti detey, prinimat' yego s yego nedostatkami, dostoinstvami no vi je ego ne znaete... ne hochu kazatsya pessimistkoy no eto je vasha jizn ne ch'ya to.... Schitayu chto nujno polyubit ( hotya odnoy lyubvi tut nedostatochno " teng tengi bilan.."), povstrechatsya uznat' drug druga do teh por poka ne stanete na 100% uverennoy chto vi hotite sostaritsya s etim chelovekom glavnoe ne toropitsa, svadba ne ubejit vsemu est' svoe vremya Mne toje 23 no u menya stolko vsego ( ucheba, rabota) chto vremeni daje net dumat' ob etom hotya ya toje prekrasno ponimayu svoih roditeley i soglasna s nimi no oni bili bi namnogo neschastnee esli bi videli chto ya rasstayus' s etim chelovekom Nujno ili hotya bi postaratsya sdelat' tak chtob vi nikogda daje i ne zadumivalis sdelali li vi pravilno vibiraya etogo cheloveka. Eto chisto moe mnenie...
Udachi!

francygirl
11-07-2007, 09:36 AM
Oy kakoy horoshiy topic.Ya toje ochen' protiv etomu,vo pervih eto yarkiy primer tomu chto devushek,jenshin ne vosprinimayut kak lichnostey,yesli yest' kakiyeto pritenzii,skajite razve ne schitat' nujnim razdelyat' ihnee mneniye o budushey jizni,i v vibore supruga,razve eto ne dokazatel'stva?
Jizn' ne tol'ko sostoit iz obyazatel'stv,i schastya kotoroye nam predostovlyaut nashi roditeli,kotoroye v mnogih sluchayah okazivayetsya sovsem inim.

Prince
11-07-2007, 09:52 AM
Ya uvajayu teh devushek kotorie uchatsa v univerax i dobivayutsa svoego v jizne! I ya dumayu chto Devushka na kotoroy budu ya jenitsa , doljna bit kak minimum imeet Stepen Bakalavr ( MBA is big plus, lol)
No Odno i toje vreme ya schitayu , chto Devushka ne doljna uchitsa , uchitsa, dobivatsa svoego , silno staratsa i pozabit o semeynoy jizne!
ya dumayu chto Devushka, doljna uchitsa, no ona doljna nayti sebe takogo cheloveka chto ON RABOTAL 24/7 , rabotal i delal vse vozmojnoe i ne vozmojnoe dlya neyo!!! Chtob on sozdal dlya neyo vse uslovii, i staralsa dlya neyo!! Ved on Mujchina a ona Jenshina!
Conclusion: Jenshina doljna ostavatsa Jenshinoy, toest ona rabotaet no dlya sebya, chtob doma ne sidet, kak hobby, ili chemto zanimaetsa chto ey interesno. No ne rabotaet tak mnogo kak Mujchina! Vot togda u devushki ostayotsa bolshe vremeni dlya Muja, dlya DETEY ( samoe glavnoe) da i dlya sovmestnogo otdixa s Mujem :)
esli ona oba rabotaeyut mnogo to ne dumayu chto oni mogut projit dolgo i schaslivo!

Take care,

Factory girl
11-10-2007, 09:58 AM
Ya uvajayu teh devushek kotorie uchatsa v univerax i dobivayutsa svoego v jizne! I ya dumayu chto Devushka na kotoroy budu ya jenitsa , doljna bit kak minimum imeet Stepen Bakalavr ( MBA is big plus, lol)
No Odno i toje vreme ya schitayu , chto Devushka ne doljna uchitsa , uchitsa, dobivatsa svoego , silno staratsa i pozabit o semeynoy jizne!
ya dumayu chto Devushka, doljna uchitsa, no ona doljna nayti sebe takogo cheloveka chto ON RABOTAL 24/7 , rabotal i delal vse vozmojnoe i ne vozmojnoe dlya neyo!!! Chtob on sozdal dlya neyo vse uslovii, i staralsa dlya neyo!! Ved on Mujchina a ona Jenshina!
Conclusion: Jenshina doljna ostavatsa Jenshinoy, toest ona rabotaet no dlya sebya, chtob doma ne sidet, kak hobby, ili chemto zanimaetsa chto ey interesno. No ne rabotaet tak mnogo kak Mujchina! Vot togda u devushki ostayotsa bolshe vremeni dlya Muja, dlya DETEY ( samoe glavnoe) da i dlya sovmestnogo otdixa s Mujem :)
esli ona oba rabotaeyut mnogo to ne dumayu chto oni mogut projit dolgo i schaslivo!

Take care,

aha prince, eto konechno klassnaya ideya!
no vot gde takie parni, kotorie rabotayut 24/7 da eshe i jene dayut rabotat' "dlya dushi"?

Shambles
11-14-2007, 01:53 PM
aha prince, eto konechno klassnaya ideya!
no vot gde takie parni, kotorie rabotayut 24/7 da eshe i jene dayut rabotat' "dlya dushi"?

Ty uje vstretila takogo parnya???:cool:

MUHLIS
11-14-2007, 02:18 PM
umenie sigrat belly dance muju? :lool:

Uzbekxonim
11-15-2007, 08:23 AM
Tradicii...tradicii... inogda oni horoshi...inogda net... Bolshinstvo iz nas predstaviteli uzbekckoy molodeji, ya dumayu stoilobi nam pogovorit k primeru o proishodoyashem v nashe vremia situacii za granicey.
Sushestvuet li vse eshe podobnoe vliyanie so storoni roditeley/rodstvennikov naschastem devushki, kotoroy vsego lish 18 i kotoruyu prosto neobhodimo--NADO vidat zamuj? Ilije mi nemnogo evropizirovalis i roditeli dayut svoimi nenaglyadnim svobodi a inoy raz daje pravo vibore?!
Nu davayte podelimsia u kogo kakaya istoriya est, mojet svami ne proishodilo, askem nibud iz druzey...?, Mne 23, projivaya 4.5 goda v US s semey,'schitayut' samim luchshim variantom otpravit menia v Tash i vidat zamuj...?! s kotorim ya budu znakomtsia cherez svah.
Tak chto je vajnee: Sozdat krepkuyu semyu ne znaya za kogo vihodish zamuj ili jdat v nadejde lyubit i bit lyubimoy ( ob idealnom variante ya ne govoryu) ?

NIKOGDA ne vihodite zamuj za neznakomogo cheloveka. u nas uroven razvodov i materi odinochki rastut kak gribi. k sojaleniyu nashi poslushnie uzbechki vihodyat zamuj po ukazke roditeley i stanovyatsya nezavisimimi i so svoim sobsvennim mneniem posle razvoda, razborok s sem'ey muja, beremennoy ili s rebenkom na rukah.

Po povodu lyubit i bit lyubimoy toje mojno obmanutsya. moe lichnoe mnenie vihodit nado zamuj za togo k komu dusha i telo tyanutsya magnitom :)

i potom posle pochti 5ti let jizni v Amerike, Uzbeku jivshemu tolko v Uzbekistane budet ochen slojno slomit vas - stroptivuyu i svodolyubivyuyu takuyu ;) a samotsel'yu u nego budet imenno eto i ne tolko u nego no i u ego sem'e. tak chto luchshe ishite Uzbeka v shtatah :)

Uyyonli
11-15-2007, 04:11 PM
Jaklinka, jst get married...
correction
just get married the one u like ;)