The rise of Great Turkistan Empire!!!(my guests)

[Uyyonli]

I was thinking and feeling that two years ago turkic relatinships would not be at the level today!!! With God's will things actually working out for hopes and dreams. Espesially after the last conference, the more actual and benefial acts show the things getting closer to that dream than I have expected. Azerbeijan and Turkey is taking the lead in the corparation, kazakhstan has actually put great efforts like opening up a investment centers in Azerbeijan, Kyrgizistan, and Turkmenistan!!! So here we go my thinkings will take place I hope my guesses will not offend anyone.
1. Turkish-Azeri relations will actually be more realistic and will be more important start. (c) the last conference between the brothers of Kazakhstan, Turkey, Azerbeijan, Turkmenistan and Kyrgizistan!!!
2. Turkey, Azerbeijan, Kyrgizistan, Kazakhstan, Turkmenistan and Kirgizistan
(Uzbekistan is being very passive unfortunately) will sign and become a nation which have one military unit, one flag that will be like EU has, economical agreements like Russia has with CIS(common wealth of Independent States or Commonwealth of Independend Soviets)
3. This thing will improve the lifestile, cultural influance, friendship, economy, political power Union, and military defence of all the members. In other words the prosperity and the will defenitilly improve these honest brother every day.
4. Iran will announce that they have created Nuclear Warhead not one but at least five of them.... That will lead Iran into war cold war(like Soviets had with west)... From this situation Iranian economy cripple, which will bring great instability in the populated Iran. Azeris will join with Kurdish and Baluchi(also Arabs possible). or another Possibility is that (hopefully will not happen) the civil war with Persians who wants to say that everyone should be forced to speak Persian and Persian is an Aryan race and it is superior. At this period of time Great men of Azeri, Kurds, Turkoman, and Baluchi will sit together and push for the independence of Azerbeijan(including Turkmen territories), Kurdistan, Baluchistan and Khuzistan(Arabs), and Persia and the elimination of Iran!!! I believe in the time of great Revolts(especially Azeris 31% of the poplulation, Baluchi 12% and Kurds) Persians gonna have agree with national independence of Persia from those inferiors. Period.
5. South Azerbeijan republic will declare it's independence along with Baluchistan, Kurdistan, Khuzistan, an Persia from Iran(sounds Soviet Union don't u think???) history repeats.
Southern Azerbeijan sees the good life in their Northern part and makes a referndum and will become part of Azerbeijan Federation, which become part of Turkic union.
6. One way or another the situation in Uzbekistan will force Uzbekistan without I.A.K(karimov the current prezident) sooner or later become part of the Union.
7. The Union is not just gonna a be a Union After that, it will become One Nation, which will be called Turkistan Federation!!! they will have one flag, one constitution, one prezident, one capital(money and Geographical) one common Alphabet, one Military under democratic and free strong, and the meber of NATO state. They will become the Superpowers of the Meadle East, and Meadle Asia.
8. Since we gonna become superpowers of Meadle East and Meadle Asia we will dominate and control, and rulle and lead all of the other Asian Muslim States us.
9. Like the U.S did we will start our pressure on China about democracy. That will be our tools. Islam will be another tool and the rights to lead and use the help to put more ppressure to bring Chinese Comunist State to her knees. How is it Possible. Sine we will lead the Meadle East we will lead the control of Meadle Eastern Oil expoert that will fuel hungger China to her knees like never before.
10.uess what...? China will have to face economical disaster!!! period!!!
In that instability, China will collapse just like Iran and USSR did :-D
Guess who is next!!! :-D Russia.
Russia we do not want Tatar independence for another twenty five years becase the Autonomus Republic of Tatarstan, Bahskurdistan and othe Turkic states occupy very small territories howwever in twenty five years Russia will become les Russian controled. All the Turkics become at least 35-40% of the population. Muslims will become about 50% of the population whic will be largest religious group. (by the way Sharia Law is being pushed for in some places in Moscow already)...
So that means we have to keep our relationships good as good as we can with Russia!!!
So give it about 25-30 years for the Greatest Empire to rise!!!
So what are guesses about the emerging Turkistan Empire and it's dominance in the future.
srry for my horrible misspellinges and bad writing because it is weekend and I was going to sleep or I feel rushing to someshere. srry! :(

[binbirincigece]

Before 20 years; not so much ago; we even didn't know each orher, while some of our brothers were living under Soviet cruelty. But now, in a time that can be considered too short when handled thorough history; we, brothers have developed and improved well. Even if most of us think your opinions are only a joke, I believe in Great Turkistan.

[ulugbekTR]

Hİch Bİse Anglamadim

[Karayılan]

The new Gokturk Empire :D :D :D :D :P

Dreaming is good ;)

[Professor]

today The Great Turk Baba came to Turkmenistan....insh'allah it seems nice start with re-developing Turkic ties. :)

[Ahmet]

Burda hayir vardir, InsAllah!

[Demir Kağan]

Some will tell these all are just a dream..

Some will tell we are insane..

Some will tell these all can never be done..

But the fact they never can see is the circumstances makes us unite.

And those some will only watch..

I wish, I dream, I hope, I see..

[Aziz]

Although it seems like wild dreams, but we hope they come true.
My grandfather's nationality is "Turkistani" can you believe that? That's what's written in his formal papers. I know that there's no country with that name, but 60 years ago when he arrived to Saudi that was the name of where he came from!

[nemets]

Although it seems like wild dreams, but we hope they come true.
My grandfather's nationality is "Turkistani" can you believe that? That's what's written in his formal papers. I know that there's no country with that name, but 60 years ago when he arrived to Saudi that was the name of where he came from!

Are you sure?
60 years ago, in 1947, there already for almost 23 had no been Turkistan on the map. May be the place of birth was stated as Turkistan?
Sorry for offtop, but I am curious how could he get out of Soviet Union during that brutal stalin period?

[Aziz]

Are you sure?
60 years ago, in 1947, there already for almost 23 had no been Turkistan on the map. May be the place of birth was stated as Turkistan?
Sorry for offtop, but I am curious how could he get out of Soviet Union during that brutal stalin period?

I could say that he arrived to Saudi 60 years ago, but he moved out many years before that. And he did it the same way thousands of Uzbeks in Saudi and all over the world did it. He was born in Andijon. At that time Arabs knew that place as Turkistan. As I recall before soviets there was nothing known as "Uzbekistan". There are also a considerable number of Uzbeks and Uyghurs with that nationality. Actually one of them was in Guantanamo. America was about to send him to China, but he had no home there and no family and his only scenario there was to be sentenced to death. He was returned to Saudi.

[Karayılan]

Gozlerim yasariyor... Bir zamanlar bu fikre dusman olanların simdi savundugunu gordukce icimde korelen umutlar yeniden canlanmaya basladi...

[satik]

I was thinking and feeling that two years ago turkic relatinships would not be at the level today!!! With God's will things actually working out for hopes and dreams. Espesially after the last conference, the more actual and benefial acts show the things getting closer to that dream than I have expected. Azerbeijan and Turkey is taking the lead in the corparation, kazakhstan has actually put great efforts like opening up a investment centers in Azerbeijan, Kyrgizistan, and Turkmenistan!!! So here we go my thinkings will take place I hope my guesses will not offend anyone.
1. Turkish-Azeri relations will actually be more realistic and will be more important start. (c) the last conference between the brothers of Kazakhstan, Turkey, Azerbeijan, Turkmenistan and Kyrgizistan!!!
2. Turkey, Azerbeijan, Kyrgizistan, Kazakhstan, Turkmenistan and Kirgizistan
(Uzbekistan is being very passive unfortunately) will sign and become a nation which have one military unit, one flag that will be like EU has, economical agreements like Russia has with CIS(common wealth of Independent States or Commonwealth of Independend Soviets)
3. This thing will improve the lifestile, cultural influance, friendship, economy, political power Union, and military defence of all the members. In other words the prosperity and the will defenitilly improve these honest brother every day.
4. Iran will announce that they have created Nuclear Warhead not one but at least five of them.... That will lead Iran into war cold war(like Soviets had with west)... From this situation Iranian economy cripple, which will bring great instability in the populated Iran. Azeris will join with Kurdish and Baluchi(also Arabs possible). or another Possibility is that (hopefully will not happen) the civil war with Persians who wants to say that everyone should be forced to speak Persian and Persian is an Aryan race and it is superior. At this period of time Great men of Azeri, Kurds, Turkoman, and Baluchi will sit together and push for the independence of Azerbeijan(including Turkmen territories), Kurdistan, Baluchistan and Khuzistan(Arabs), and Persia and the elimination of Iran!!! I believe in the time of great Revolts(especially Azeris 31% of the poplulation, Baluchi 12% and Kurds) Persians gonna have agree with national independence of Persia from those inferiors. Period.
5. South Azerbeijan republic will declare it's independence along with Baluchistan, Kurdistan, Khuzistan, an Persia from Iran(sounds Soviet Union don't u think???) history repeats.
Southern Azerbeijan sees the good life in their Northern part and makes a referndum and will become part of Azerbeijan Federation, which become part of Turkic union.
6. One way or another the situation in Uzbekistan will force Uzbekistan without I.A.K(karimov the current prezident) sooner or later become part of the Union.
7. The Union is not just gonna a be a Union After that, it will become One Nation, which will be called Turkistan Federation!!! they will have one flag, one constitution, one prezident, one capital(money and Geographical) one common Alphabet, one Military under democratic and free strong, and the meber of NATO state. They will become the Superpowers of the Meadle East, and Meadle Asia.
8. Since we gonna become superpowers of Meadle East and Meadle Asia we will dominate and control, and rulle and lead all of the other Asian Muslim States us.
9. Like the U.S did we will start our pressure on China about democracy. That will be our tools. Islam will be another tool and the rights to lead and use the help to put more ppressure to bring Chinese Comunist State to her knees. How is it Possible. Sine we will lead the Meadle East we will lead the control of Meadle Eastern Oil expoert that will fuel hungger China to her knees like never before.
10.uess what...? China will have to face economical disaster!!! period!!!
In that instability, China will collapse just like Iran and USSR did :-D
Guess who is next!!! :-D Russia.
Russia we do not want Tatar independence for another twenty five years becase the Autonomus Republic of Tatarstan, Bahskurdistan and othe Turkic states occupy very small territories howwever in twenty five years Russia will become les Russian controled. All the Turkics become at least 35-40% of the population. Muslims will become about 50% of the population whic will be largest religious group. (by the way Sharia Law is being pushed for in some places in Moscow already)...
So that means we have to keep our relationships good as good as we can with Russia!!!
So give it about 25-30 years for the Greatest Empire to rise!!!
So what are guesses about the emerging Turkistan Empire and it's dominance in the future.
srry for my horrible misspellinges and bad writing because it is weekend and I was going to sleep or I feel rushing to someshere. srry! :(
Time will show.

[Frida]

lame statements. if it was so easy Turkic nations would have unified way earlier. if you think countries like Iran and Russia will give up their territories so easily, you are wrong. for Russia Tatarstan is a symbol. It keeps Tatarstan since like 16th century and uses its development as a political tool when referring to its minorities.

Iran another Soviet Union? again, lame very lame. different systems, different mentality, different political-administrative division, etc.

You are so much about military control, power etc. Some of your ideas are not feasible economically and politically. Best way for Turkic nations to unify at this point is economically. Economic integration is what we need. :) and Everything else comes later....

[Karayılan]

Best way for Turkic nations to unify at this point is economically. Economic integration is what we need. :) and Everything else comes later....I think the first thing that should be done, is that Turkiye and Kazakhstan shows their political power in international affairs. They HAVE TO differantiate their policies from countries like Guatemala, Jordan, Morocco...

No to passive policies, yes to Turkistan :cool:

[MUHLIS]

I don't know about Turkey, but unification must start in Central Asia, in Uzbekistan.

[Karayılan]

I don't know about Turkey, but unification must start in Central Asia, in Uzbekistan.I agree with you. Uzbekistan is the center of Turkistan but, unfortunately it is not being governed as good as it deserves. That's why, it is not powerful enough to unite us now, neither politically nor economically. Therefore, Turkiye and Kazakhstan should start it :cool:

My dream, two countries: Batı Türkeli(Turkiye, Azerbaijan...) and Doğu Türkeli(Great Turkistan, İdil-Ural...) just like in the history... Yea, dreaming is good :lol:

[MUHLIS]

I agree with you. Uzbekistan is the center of Turkistan but, unfortunately it is not being governed as good as it deserves. That's why, it is not powerful enough to unite us now, neither politically nor economically. Therefore, Turkiye and Kazakhstan should start it :cool:

My dream, two countries: Batı Tьrkeli(Turkiye, Azerbaijan...) and Doğu Tьrkeli(Great Turkistan, İdil-Ural...) just like in the history... Yea, dreaming is good :lol:
According to its problems with demographics and geographical location (sandwiched between Russia and China) Kazakhstan needs unification. But most of the ethusiasts of Turkistan are Uzbeks. Uzbeks, from political viewpoint, do not particularly need Turkistan, but it is Uzbeks who wants single Turkistan more than anyone in Central Asia.
It is mostly Uzbeks who are less attached to small nationalistic ideas and are more open to more supranational Turkistani identity.

[binbirincigece]

The most important thing that all Turkic countries have to do is to first unite in themselves. Before solving our great problems inside us, we will not be able to make any useful enterprise. i.e. Turkey should handle terrorizm more seriously; clear off the focuses who earns from terror, inside both politicans and businessman. Azerbaijan have to be slipped out from bribe, etc. We can add others like this. But in this process, we anyway make common decision-making mechanisms in cultural or economical fields. I mean we have to establish the basics first. Change the minds; wipe out the difference, seperateness thought. We have to meet at the thought of associated Turkness.

[Karayılan]

According to its problems with demographics and geographical location (sandwiched between Russia and China) Kazakhstan needs unification. But most of the ethusiasts of Turkistan are Uzbeks. Uzbeks, from political viewpoint, do not particularly need Turkistan, but it is Uzbeks who wants single Turkistan more than anyone in Central Asia.
It is mostly Uzbeks who are less attached to small nationalistic ideas and are more open to more supranational Turkistani identity.Well, you are right about demographics but I think its geopolitical location is a great advantage to Kazakhstan. Although they have the biggest minority in all Turan, I'm hopeful about Kazakhstan and Nazarbayev.

Uzbekistan has a great culture( In history, there were three main cultural center of Turks: Istanbul, Semerkand and Kazan), How Istanbul's cultural background has become the main culture of Turkish Republic, Uzbek culture should be like that for Great Turkistan(but there should be a revolution in the language, Kazakh and Turkmen words should use in a revised Qarluq grammer instead of Persian, Arabic and Russian words)

Ofcourse, the logical way is to support and work for an International Unity like EU. We are talking about one state, I think we are always dreaming :)

[binbirincigece]

We are talking about one state, I think we are always dreaming :)
Fatih Sultan Mehmet; once said "Even their dreams cannot reach to the place where our hands reach." They first, learned how to dream, and then make their dreams come true. Now we even forget to dream. Dreaming is good; Özgür. ;)

[MUHLIS]

Well, you are right about demographics but I think its geopolitical location is a great advantage to Kazakhstan. Although they have the biggest minority in all Turan, I'm hopeful about Kazakhstan and Nazarbayev.

Uzbekistan has a great culture( In history, there were three main cultural center of Turks: Istanbul, Semerkand and Kazan), How Istanbul's cultural background has become the main culture of Turkish Republic, Uzbek culture should be like that for Great Turkistan(but there should be a revolution in the language, Kazakh and Turkmen words should use in a revised Qarluq grammer instead of Persian, Arabic and Russian words)

Ofcourse, the logical way is to support and work for an International Unity like EU. We are talking about one state, I think we are always dreaming :)
Sometimes things that we think of as negative might work for our own benefits. The fact that most Uzbeks and other Central Asian people can speak Russian can be instrumental in creating a union crossing through language issues.
Language policy is a secondary issue, first there must be an economic and political conditions for unification.

[Karayılan]

Sometimes things that we think of as negative might work for our own benefits. The fact that most Uzbeks and other Central Asian people can speak Russian can be instrumental in creating a union crossing through language issues.
Language policy is a secondary issue, first there must be an economic and political conditions for unification.Sorry, culture is so important, culture is the brain of a nation so you HAVE TO protect your mother tongue from other languages. Russian should not be the common language, it is start of asimilation...

I talked about common language if a single Turkistan comes true, ofcourse the first step is economical and political unity.

[MDB]

I was really dissapointed when I Took "Western civilization" class...
Coz most of the information given by textbook and prof about our history was so wrong...For instance,they don't even know about Turkistan's existence, they think territories were the same...Also Temur and Bobur are mughals(may be this one kind of right)...The history we learned in our classes in Uzbekistan differs from history which US people learn...and the history our parents learned during USSR also different...So, history can be changed...Tell me what do you think about it?

[Demir Kağan]

MDB, Turks (Uzbek, Turkmen, Oguz, Azeri, Kyrgyz, Kazak, Uygur, Tatar, etc.) are a great nation with really long history. And since the day we established our first state, we had been fighting against the enemies. The reason for that they change the history is if they tell the truth, their children will also learn how great Turks are, they will see they have been dealing with us for many centuries and they know that they can't write their history without us, so they change it. :)

[Karayılan]

I was really dissapointed when I Took "Western civilization" class...
Coz most of the information given by textbook and prof about our history was so wrong...For instance,they don't even know about Turkistan's existence, they think territories were the same...Also Temur and Bobur are mughals(may be this one kind of right)...The history we learned in our classes in Uzbekistan differs from history which US people learn...and the history our parents learned during USSR also different...So, history can be changed...Tell me what do you think about it?The history that we learned is an Indo-European interpretion of the real history. Let's write another interpretion, we can find enough resources to prove it, don't worry ;) :lol:

There have never been a nation like Mughal. It is only a specific name defining Turkic rulers of India.

[Frida]

my dreams, my dreams....

you guys dream a lot :D. while dreamers dream "tavakkalchi to'yga yetadi" instead learn one more Turkic language ;).

no matter what you say Russian language is still powerful, cause no matter what you do it is going to stay as a lingua franca in Central Asian countries for a while. 75% of this forum speaks Russian and would prefer using it when talking to Kyrgyz or Kazakh person. Common language? Do not make me laugh, the Central Asians are full of this BS. They want economic stability, since the beginning of this century their scripts changed 4 times, and now countries like Uzbekistan and Turkmenistan are suffering from their premature, non-organized language planning that was done just to insulate themselves from Russian. You want to throw another language planning to these people? Language choice should be gradual and natural. NO matter what people in power push -- the lay people are not gonna accept, cause it is their language, it is social, it is natural, it is part of what we are. Your politics can manipulate the language, but its up to people to decide what to chose and when to chose.

Lingua franca will emerge, by itself on its own time. No need to push it forcefully. Also I have written this already -- Why do you need ONE common Turkic language? Isn't beautiful to keep all of them? Why assimilate all of them under ONE common one? Once you chose one -- the rest will get marginalized -- this should not be the outcome. All of them should have a right to exist in their own countries.

But yet again, before even discussing language issues, there are hundred others that need to be discussed. Language is not something that can be solved with one decree. It takes time and generations to change it.

[MDB]

The history that we learned is an Indo-European interpretion of the real history. Let's write another interpretion, we can find enough resources to prove it, don't worry ;) :lol:

There have never been a nation like Mughal. It is only a specific name defining Turkic rulers of India.

Oh please give me proofs not words( I studied all the iterpretations and created my own "real history" by comparing the facts from each source)...

I wanna know your opinions...

Have you ever I asked then "Why don't we switch "Mughal" to "Temuriy"?

your opinions will be helpful and may be 100 sources combined...

Thank you...

[Demir Kağan]

Frida, micronationalism harms our union.

[Karayılan]

Men O'zbek tilingi bilaman Frida xonim, juda yahshi yazamayman lokin aytilgan so'zlarni tushunaman.

The term of common language doesn't mean that others will be forgotten. I wrote that for formal language of ONE STATE ;) You cannot choose Russian as your formal languuage, it will be a disrespectful behaviour to your culture and history...

well, is dreaming forbidden in this forum? :P :D

[Karayılan]

Have you ever I asked then "Why don't we switch "Mughal" to "Temuriy"?Not "Temuriy" but "Boburshoh Dovleti, Emperyasi" can be possible. We use "Babürşahlar" for Mughals in Turkiye :cool:

[Uyyonli]

my dreams, my dreams....

you guys dream a lot :D. while dreamers dream "tavakkalchi to'yga yetadi" instead learn one more Turkic language ;).

no matter what you say Russian language is still powerful, cause no matter what you do it is going to stay as a lingua franca in Central Asian countries for a while. 75% of this forum speaks Russian and would prefer using it when talking to Kyrgyz or Kazakh person. Common language? Do not make me laugh, the Central Asians are full of this BS. They want economic stability, since the beginning of this century their scripts changed 4 times, and now countries like Uzbekistan and Turkmenistan are suffering from their premature, non-organized language planning that was done just to insulate themselves from Russian. You want to throw another language planning to these people? Language choice should be gradual and natural. NO matter what people in power push -- the lay people are not gonna accept, cause it is their language, it is social, it is natural, it is part of what we are. Your politics can manipulate the language, but its up to people to decide what to chose and when to chose.

Lingua franca will emerge, by itself on its own time. No need to push it forcefully. Also I have written this already -- Why do you need ONE common Turkic language? Isn't beautiful to keep all of them? Why assimilate all of them under ONE common one? Once you chose one -- the rest will get marginalized -- this should not be the outcome. All of them should have a right to exist in their own countries.

But yet again, before even discussing language issues, there are hundred others that need to be discussed. Language is not something that can be solved with one decree. It takes time and generations to change it.

It will take time. As u see English is language is penetratin into our society same can be done with Turkish. it will take time. Lets say if we opened our markets and business to Turkish investors we will have lot's of Turkish influance. More Turks come from all of Asia to our country more we will deal with them, the more people gonna start learning and eventually Turkish can become an important language(may not be as much as Russian but it will get there somewhere close) It is all about economy, Propaganda and usefulness of it in our streets. See u and us talking here in English to each other, once Turkish becomes a popular language people will be talking in Turkish too. There also gonna be a lot of people merchants, students, and all sort of people will be traveling between Tashkent and Istambul, people will learn, just like people learn Russian when they go to Russia or even Tashkent to work.
then again I am only hoping for the best....

[yura jihadi bro]

In my opinion its not gonna happen. I believe after the collapse of the United States, United Islamic State will emerge somewhere in the World, call it Khalifa, Emirate, Imamat etc , ruled by the laws of Allah. I believe in that , because its a promise from Allah. But i don't think Turcik nations will unite ever. IMHO

[Uyyonli]

In my opinion its not gonna happen. I believe after the collapse of the United States, United Islamic State will emerge somewhere in the World, call it Khalifa, Emirate, Imamat etc , ruled by the laws of Allah. I believe in that , because its a promise from Allah. But i don't think Turcik nations will unite ever. IMHO

u might gonna regret that u said that?
I mean u gotta look at the situation, things are happining. Turkey, Kazakhstan, Turkmenistan, Kyrgizistan and Azerbeijan has put real deal steps already. they have put up a mission that is more likely to happen.

[yura jihadi bro]

u might gonna regret that u said that?
I mean u gotta look at the situation, things are happining. Turkey, Kazakhstan, Turkmenistan, Kyrgizistan and Azerbeijan has put real deal steps already. they have put up a mission that is more likely to happen.
Probably the most they can do is make some kind of economic zone, perhaps even one currency, but not one nation, or one Army.

[Tabriz_Han]

MDB, the term "Mughal" is a "misnomer", the English often invent their own names for states and countries.

Babur Khan was a Timurid, direct descendant of Timur, he moved the Timurids base to Hindustan after Oz'bek Khan took control of Turkistan.


Yura birardar, we are all muslims, so if there was to be a united muslim state, it would mean Turkic states were united aswell.


I see Ozbekistan as the heart of Turkistan, culturally and historically it also was the centre of the lingua franca, Turki.

In my opinion, Turkistan must form unity, Turkey and Azerbaycan have become very close, if Turkistan can do the same it is the people that will benefit just like is happening with the co-operation between Azerbaycan and Turkey.


Turkiston bir bolsin :)

[yura jihadi bro]

Yura birardar, we are all muslims, so if there was to be a united muslim state, it would mean Turkic states were united aswell.


Yeah, but then its not gonna be united based on alien to Islam panturcik idea. So its different then.

[Aziz]

Sometimes things that we think of as negative might work for our own benefits. The fact that most Uzbeks and other Central Asian people can speak Russian can be instrumental in creating a union crossing through language issues.
Language policy is a secondary issue, first there must be an economic and political conditions for unification.



Using media is a very useful tool for unifying the language. We have a similar experience in Arabic, but we already have a common language which is the language of the Quran.
I'm talking about modern day dialects. People in Morocco use different words than Egypt, different than Saudi, different than Emirates, different than Syria, different than Yemen and different than Sudan. To have TV channels from Uzbekistan in KG or KZ or TR will help very much melting the words that are not common and help using more common words between those countries. The same thing can be said between Azerbaijan and Turkyie.
In the Arab world everybody can understand Egyptians when they talk, because they were the pioneers in the media. They had the first TV stations and the first movie production companies. 95% of the movies produced in the Arab world is from Egypt. Another example is Lebanese. 20 years ago Lebanese wasn't famous among the young generation because Lebanese were too busy fighting each other. Today 75% of the TV anchors are Lebanese. The most famous TV channels are owned by Saudis and presented by Lebanese. Lebanese dialect became famous in the last decade because of media.
The same thing can be said about Palestinian dialect when a TV series was produced about the exile of the Palestinians from their villages. Everybody started asking and figuring out what did this word mean, and the watchers can now understand so many Palestinian words. In the last two years there was also a famous TV series about a neighborhood in Syria back in the 1920s. Syrian is already known and understood, but the old Syrian was different than today's. The material presented in that series forced Arab people from 21 different countries to learn more about old Syrian dialect. And this particular series has been rated as the most watched series in all over the Arab world.

[cianore]

First of all, any nation which wants to join the unity should not intend to have more power in the unity than others or should not have ambitions to have it's language be recognized as major in the unity.

[Demir Kağan]

Probably the most they can do is make some kind of economic zone, perhaps even one currency, but not one nation, or one Army.
As you talk about us as "they" I guess you are not Turk, right?

[yura jihadi bro]

As you talk about us as "they" I guess you are not Turk, right?

No i'm not.

[Ahmet]

Hurmatli forumdoshlar,

Bu mavzumizga har birimiz to'grisi oz perspektivalarimiz bilan qarayapmiz, bu ham tog'risi oddiy hol. Optimistik korishda bolgan forumdoshlarimiz kopchilikmiz, ammo lekin bazi forumdoshlar yozganidek, bu ishlar asta sekin rivojlanadi. Va yagona tilu millat kabi sozlar aslida oldingi planga oid ammo keyingi etaplarga aloqador narsalar. Menim fikrimga kora, ilk boshda iqtisodiy masalalarni kuchlantirish kerak, chunki moddiyatsiz "kop narsa" yarim yolda qolib ketishi mumkin

Shu bilan birga pessimist demayku, skeptik korishda ki forumdoshlarning korish tarzida qisman bolsa ham jon bor. Butun dunyo bizning birlashimizni sayratib otirmaydi. Har taraflama qiyinchiliklardan kechish kerak boladi.

Haqiqat shuki, (qiyoslaganimizda ehtiyotkorlik bilan solishtirish kerak) misol sifatida Avrupa Birligidan "bazi masalalarda" ornak olinishi kerak, hatto shart deb oylayman. 25'dan ortiq davlatlar bir Union ichidalar. Har biri oz tiliniyu, millatini, urf odatini yo diniy korishlaridan voz gechmadan birgalikda, "All for One and One for All" shiori ostida bir kuchga egalar... Uni ustiga EURO'ning dunyo marketlaridagi ta'sirini koryapmiz.

Aziz forumdoshlar, yuqorida yozganimdek, EU'ni Turk Davlat Birligi' bilan solishtirganimizda har narsa EU'dagidek bolmasligi mumkin, ammo kop taraflaridan misol olinishi kerak!

Amallar niyyatga koradir. Alloh'ning izni bilan, bu ishda hayir bor esa, osha kunlarni ham korib qolarmiz.


Salomlar

[Frida]

Har biri oz tiliniyu, millatini, urf odatini yo diniy korishlaridan voz gechmadan birgalikda, "All for One and One for All" shiori ostida bir kuchga egalar... Uni ustiga EURO'ning dunyo marketlaridagi ta'sirini koryapmiz.
Salomlar

yashang!

Uyyonli, nima demoqchi bo'lganimni, Ahmet aytib o'tdilar. Nimaga siz hamma Turk tilida gapirishi kerak deysiz? Bizning o'z tilimiz, Qazoq, Qirg'izlarning o'z tili bor. Hammasining tili hurmat qilinishi kerak. Siz aytgandek, Turk TVsi orqali kirgizilgan, yuqoridan pastga qaratilib assimiliatsia qilinishi kerak emas. Qilinsa ham, aminmanki, bunga qarshilik qiladiganlar ko'p.

[Uyyonli]

yashang!

Uyyonli, nima demoqchi bo'lganimni, Ahmet aytib o'tdilar. Nimaga siz hamma Turk tilida gapirishi kerak deysiz? Bizning o'z tilimiz, Qazoq, Qirg'izlarning o'z tili bor. Hammasining tili hurmat qilinishi kerak. Siz aytgandek, Turk TVsi orqali kirgizilgan, yuqoridan pastga qaratilib assimiliatsia qilinishi kerak emas. Qilinsa ham, aminmanki, bunga qarshilik qiladiganlar ko'p.

o.k Fridahan...endi menga farqi yo'g'u, qaysi tilda gapirishsa gapiraversin, ishqilib nima dvotganini anglasam bo'ldi.:)

PS: Endi bilsanggiz bizlar qozoqschani bilmasak ham qozoqlar bizni oz'bekchamizni yahshi bilishadi, huddi shu gap Kirg'iz va Turkmenlarga ham ta'luqli, menimcha O'zbekcha Markaziy Osiyoni umumTurkiy modeli bo'laversa yahshi deyman. Anadolu turkchasi esa Kaspiyning narigi qismida yashayotgan qardoshlarimizga ma'qul bo'lishiga ham ishonaman. Demak Turkiston vujudga kelib qolsa O'zbek Turkchasi ketta ahamiyatga ega bo'ladi, ko'pchilik o'zbekchaniyam o'rganardi. :) (aynan menimcha o'zbek turklari bu ittifoqdan katta foyda topishiga aminman.

[Demir Kağan]

Hurmatli forumdoshlar,

Bu mavzumizga har birimiz to'grisi oz perspektivalarimiz bilan qarayapmiz, bu ham tog'risi oddiy hol. Optimistik korishda bolgan forumdoshlarimiz kopchilikmiz, ammo lekin bazi forumdoshlar yozganidek, bu ishlar asta sekin rivojlanadi. Va yagona tilu millat kabi sozlar aslida oldingi planga oid ammo keyingi etaplarga aloqador narsalar. Menim fikrimga kora, ilk boshda iqtisodiy masalalarni kuchlantirish kerak, chunki moddiyatsiz "kop narsa" yarim yolda qolib ketishi mumkin
Hurmatli Ahmet akam, ko'p tog'ri aytdingiz. First we need a strong economy to unite. But if the relationships stuck to economy, this means there will be no unite.

Shu bilan birga pessimist demayku, skeptik korishda ki forumdoshlarning korish tarzida qisman bolsa ham jon bor. Butun dunyo bizning birlashimizni sayratib otirmaydi. Har taraflama qiyinchiliklardan kechish kerak boladi.
Nobody wants Turks to unite.

Haqiqat shuki, (qiyoslaganimizda ehtiyotkorlik bilan solishtirish kerak) misol sifatida Avrupa Birligidan "bazi masalalarda" ornak olinishi kerak, hatto shart deb oylayman. 25'dan ortiq davlatlar bir Union ichidalar. Har biri oz tiliniyu, millatini, urf odatini yo diniy korishlaridan voz gechmadan birgalikda, "All for One and One for All" shiori ostida bir kuchga egalar... Uni ustiga EURO'ning dunyo marketlaridagi ta'sirini koryapmiz.
Micronationalism harms us. We must get mixed as soon as possible. Because there should be a United Turkistan. We are not establishing an empire which has many ethnicity as we belong the one nation. So, we got to have one language, one name, one nation, one country. If we stand separate in a united country, think how it will harm us.

Amallar niyyatga koradir. Alloh'ning izni bilan, bu ishda hayir bor esa, osha kunlarni ham korib qolarmiz.
Insallah. :)

Hurmat bilan.

@yura jihadi bro, then we don't care what you think. Because this is a Turk union, not kid toy.

[Karayılan]

Turk TVsi orqali kirgizilgan, yuqoridan pastga qaratilib assimiliatsia qilinishi kerak emas.Didn't u suggest russian as common language? Now ur talking about asimilation???

[Osmanliyim]

I never understand a union under one particular or some nations. And actually think that such kind of union is a BS.
There maybe a union under one economical zone, under a common military or maybe under a religion. But nations union is stupidity.
And how Turkey can be a union with other countries, when it can not be a union inside its own country?

[Tabriz_Han]

Frida
Uyyonli, nima demoqchi bo'lganimni, Ahmet aytib o'tdilar. Nimaga siz hamma Turk tilida gapirishi kerak deysiz? Bizning o'z tilimiz, Qazoq, Qirg'izlarning o'z tili bor.


If I was in charge here is what I would do.

- Teach every Turkic dialect in state education in every Turkic state
- Establish a join Turkic media channel, programs from all Turkic dialects would be shown.
- Encourage migration between Turkic states.
- Implement a common Turkic alphabet

All Turkic dialects have quite a high degree of mutual intellegibility, if we had more access to each other over time we would know the different words and adjust our ears to different sounds. This closeness would over time create a single Turkic language anyway.
Globallisation will benefit Turks in this aspect :)


Aziz
Using media is a very useful tool for unifying the language. We have a similar experience in Arabic, but we already have a common language which is the language of the Quran.
I'm talking about modern day dialects. People in Morocco use different words than Egypt, different than Saudi, different than Emirates, different than Syria, different than Yemen and different than Sudan. To have TV channels from Uzbekistan in KG or KZ or TR will help very much melting the words that are not common and help using more common words between those countries. The same thing can be said between Azerbaijan and Turkyie.
In the Arab world everybody can understand Egyptians when they talk, because they were the pioneers in the media. They had the first TV stations and the first movie production companies. 95% of the movies produced in the Arab world is from Egypt. Another example is Lebanese. 20 years ago Lebanese wasn't famous among the young generation because Lebanese were too busy fighting each other. Today 75% of the TV anchors are Lebanese. The most famous TV channels are owned by Saudis and presented by Lebanese. Lebanese dialect became famous in the last decade because of media.
The same thing can be said about Palestinian dialect when a TV series was produced about the exile of the Palestinians from their villages. Everybody started asking and figuring out what did this word mean, and the watchers can now understand so many Palestinian words. In the last two years there was also a famous TV series about a neighborhood in Syria back in the 1920s. Syrian is already known and understood, but the old Syrian was different than today's. The material presented in that series forced Arab people from 21 different countries to learn more about old Syrian dialect. And this particular series has been rated as the most watched series in all over the Arab world.



This is a great example.

We could learn alot from Arabs in these matters.

For example, a Libyan says he/she's a Libyan, a Morroccan says he/she's Morroccan, however, they also will say that they're "Arab".

There is no problem with being an Egyptian and an Arab, the two don't conflict.

In the same way, somebody can be Kazak, Ozbek, Azeri, Cypriot etc but also Turks.

However, this concept is not as well enforced in the Turkic world as it is in the Arab world.

Also, Arabs have many different dialects, the Morroccan Arabic is hard to understand for the Syrian Arabic but when they use standardized arabic and use standard arabic alphabet they can understand each other.

This is obviously a benefit. Its something we should do aswell.

[Tabriz_Han]

[quote]Osmanliyim
There maybe a union under one economical zone, under a common military or maybe under a religion. But nations union is stupidity.[/img]

There is the Arab world union.
Latin American union.
European union based upon European nations.

Its not "stupid" its "logical".

Why should the Turkistan region be divided? it doesn't suit our interests, it would be more beneficial to have great relations and work together. I don't see anything "stupid" about it.

[Demir Kağan]

I never understand a union under one particular or some nations. And actually think that such kind of union is a BS.
There maybe a union under one economical zone, under a common military or maybe under a religion. But nations union is stupidity.
And how Turkey can be a union with other countries, when it can not be a union inside its own country?
So Mr. I-Know-Everything,

What do you suggest?

[Osmanliyim]

So Mr. I-Know-Everything,

What do you suggest?

I didn't say that I know everything. So I suggest you, Mr. Blind, to go to a doctor.:D Also, before going to a doctor, please wash your head twice.;)

[Tabriz_Han]

Thanks for your contribution, its been so enlightening...:rolleyes:

[Demir Kağan]

I didn't say that I know everything. So I suggest you, Mr. Blind, to go to a doctor.:D Also, before going to a doctor, please wash your head twice.;)
I was expecting an answer like that because people like you have no solves for the problems, have nothing to suggest, just talking.

Just another one to ignore whose comments and thoughts on this great idea.

[binbirincigece]

Just another one to ignore whose comments and thoughts on this great idea.
who are the others? :lol:

Agree with you Demir.

And how Turkey can be a union with other countries, when it can not be a union inside its own country? What are your proves for this stupid idea? Although everything, all the enemies and our geo-political but not geo-cultural drawn borders; we succeeded to live together for a century with all of our citizens. Of course; I also saidThe most important thing that all Turkic countries have to do is to first unite in themselves. Before solving our great problems inside us, we will not be able to make any useful enterprise. i.e. but by saying that I noticed the thoughts, approaches to this great idea.

Osmanliyim;
Please notice the name you use in forum. Osmanli had governed lots of nations both muslims and other religions believers with justice for hundreds of years. And notice that we are descendants of those who governed the world.

[Osmanliyim]

I was expecting an answer like that because people like you have no solves for the problems, have nothing to suggest, just talking.

Just another one to ignore whose comments and thoughts on this great idea.

What kind of problem you were talking about?
I just brought my position for the unification of the nations. And you such a loser couldn't hold your emotions and asking stupid questions.
First you said me that I said like I know everything and wanted me to suggest about something which I don't know what, and you didn't tell me. And now you are saying that I have no solution for a problem which I didn't bring.

Calm down, do not take things personally. I just said my opinion. Tabriz just said his opinion. So, it is ok for me, since everybody can have his or her own opinion.
Next time, let your mind to speak(if you have), not your emotions.;)

[karach]

Hi there man.

I read your words and i fond you quite dreamy.

I know many turks and others from ex Soviet Union may feel a taste of revenge against Russia. And many others talk about Turkistan or whatever it may be. A turkish nation.

But beside dreams, there's reality.

I travelled and worked abroad a lot. Among my places to work where (once for the European comission) Turkey, Egypt, US, and England. I also had my colleagues working temporarily in Azerbaijan and Kyrgystan or other Asian countries.

But let's go to the point.

1°) You speak about a great turkic nation :
But Central Asian countries are already neignbours, they could forge at least a part of that so called "nation". Why don't they then??? What limitates them?

2°) Turks are widespread, it's a fact, but which nation or group is known as - at least - "powerfull" militarily, economically or politically? None of Central Asia for sure. Maybe Turkey militarily because the military leaders have a lot of power and buy 2nd rate European weapons every year.
Even Tukey knows its technological and economical limits and seeks desperately to enter in the EU. Without much success and the new positions of recent European leaders isn't likely to facilitate that...

3°) I see often Turkish speaking about an empire ranging from Western China to Eastern Europe. They base themselves (and it's normal when you are a nationalist) on their history of battles and so on. Good. But well, that won't change history, borders exist nowadays and exept if a global third world war happens, I really ddon't see how borders could change so much... Moreover knowing the lack of power in central asia and the dependence of Turkey (which is the only Turkic nation that may achieve something in the near future) on Europe, nobody imagines much a global Turkic nation.

4°) Finally, you speak much about amputating parts of China, Iran and so on (maybe russia too, i didn't remember well, but anyway...). Beware. What you hope can sometimes turn real... in the wrong way.
Turkey comprises 15% of Kurds and 5 to 10% armenians, greeks, and others... Uzbekistan 30% of Tajiks, Russians etc... not to speak about all the other countries such as Kazakhstan and its 50% only local population.
It would be easy for Russians if they regain some power to reclaim lands inhabited by russians in CA. Or for Iranians to reclaim their old borders in Afghanistan, Iraq, Turkmenistan or Azerbaijan, etc...
The same could (and it's a lot more probable) happen with China's eagerness for Central Asian oil. That's in my point of view, the most likely thing to happen.

To conclude, Turks would need to be both VERY powerfull to create a turkistan empire, and even more VERY VERY intelligent to maintain it economically. And that's not going to happen before XX centuries...

In my opinion, once leaders start talking about reclaiming lands or fight another culture/race, often this means they want to hide their economic performances, ex : Bush in US, Gul in Turkey, Karimov in Uzbekistan, Ahmadinejad in Iran, etc... Same bastards, but same donkeys following them.

[Demir Kağan]

What kind of problem you were talking about?
I just brought my position for the unification of the nations. And you such a loser couldn't hold your emotions and asking stupid questions.
First you said me that I said like I know everything and wanted me to suggest about something which I don't know what, and you didn't tell me. And now you are saying that I have no solution for a problem which I didn't bring.
The seperateness between Turks is a problem. And instead of saying how can we solve this problem, you just told blah blah.. That's all.


1°) You speak about a great turkic nation :
But Central Asian countries are already neignbours, they could forge at least a part of that so called "nation". Why don't they then??? What limitates them?
Dear Karach,

Thank you for joining our discussion with your nice questions. Let's answer them.
Although Central Asian Turk countries are neighbours, why can't they unite? That's really a good question, but the answer is also so simple. The first reason of this is the enemies, the second reason of this is internal enemies in the countries. If the politicians cared about the nation and the country, the situation now would be really better.

2°) Turks are widespread, it's a fact, but which nation or group is known as - at least - "powerfull" militarily, economically or politically? None of Central Asia for sure. Maybe Turkey militarily because the military leaders have a lot of power and buy 2nd rate European weapons every year.
Even Tukey knows its technological and economical limits and seeks desperately to enter in the EU. Without much success and the new positions of recent European leaders isn't likely to facilitate that...
Turks of Turkey do not want to enter the EU. You must know this. If we had better technology and economy, trust me they wouldn't let us enter. Because the EU is a game. At the end we won't join but they'll get many things from us. Turkey has many sources that can make it has a better economy. But the reason we can't use them is the reasons I counted you in your first question.

3°) I see often Turkish speaking about an empire ranging from Western China to Eastern Europe. They base themselves (and it's normal when you are a nationalist) on their history of battles and so on. Good. But well, that won't change history, borders exist nowadays and exept if a global third world war happens, I really ddon't see how borders could change so much... Moreover knowing the lack of power in central asia and the dependence of Turkey (which is the only Turkic nation that may achieve something in the near future) on Europe, nobody imagines much a global Turkic nation.
We don't accept "Turkic" word for anyone. The empire we talk about is not like the empires in the history. But a country with full of Turks and other nations included in the ex countries we had living in peace, a country with a strong economy, a country with strong politicians, a country with a great life conditions, a country with powerful army. That's what we dream. Turks of Turkey do not want a United Turk country based on themselves. We want a united country with everything in common. Because if it's going to be in based on something, there will be several reasons to break down the union.

4°) Finally, you speak much about amputating parts of China, Iran and so on (maybe russia too, i didn't remember well, but anyway...). Beware. What you hope can sometimes turn real... in the wrong way.
Turkey comprises 15% of Kurds and 5 to 10% armenians, greeks, and others... Uzbekistan 30% of Tajiks, Russians etc... not to speak about all the other countries such as Kazakhstan and its 50% only local population.
It would be easy for Russians if they regain some power to reclaim lands inhabited by russians in CA. Or for Iranians to reclaim their old borders in Afghanistan, Iraq, Turkmenistan or Azerbaijan, etc...
The same could (and it's a lot more probable) happen with China's eagerness for Central Asian oil. That's in my point of view, the most likely thing to happen.
The union we are talking about right now is based on uniting the independence Turk countries, not taking lands where Turks live on somewhere else.

What I also don't understand is, why it should prevent us to unite while we have Kurds, Tadjiks, Armenians, Russians, etc. Won't they want to live in a better country? :)

To conclude, Turks would need to be both VERY powerfull to create a turkistan empire, and even more VERY VERY intelligent to maintain it economically. And that's not going to happen before XX centuries...
I absolutely agree. But this has to be happen before XX centuries. :)

In my opinion, once leaders start talking about reclaiming lands or fight another culture/race, often this means they want to hide their economic performances, ex : Bush in US, Gul in Turkey, Karimov in Uzbekistan, Ahmadinejad in Iran, etc... Same bastards, but same donkeys following them.
Again, agreed. :)

[BOZ-OK]

Seemingly, almost all Turkics agree that Turkic nations should unite some how... The only argument is about the way and form of the unification... On the other hand, almost all non-Turkics try to ruin the idea (trying to prove, how it is impossible, how it is a bad idea, etc.)... Then, we should definately unite...:cool:

[Darvesh]

Yep, We must unite. By uniting we stand, by dividing we fall!

[karach]

Tsssss.... guys guys...

Trying to unify isn't bad. But trying to steal from others and destroy them to achieve that means war. And for now (and probably for a long time in the future), no country in Central Asia is really much of a power in front of China, Russia or Iran... Even taleban in Afghanistan freak them.

If turks consider that they can just make war to gain lands against others, in the name of pan Turkism, and especially against those they use to call their "brothers" in neighbouring countries, then they must face their fate as they did before.

Gengis khan invaded China and Russia, and for centuries Mongols became Russians and Chinese's slaves and guinea pоgs for nuke experiments during Soviet times. Genocide only brings the same in return.

Turkey ruled over the arab world and became divided between armenians, arabs, British and French during the first world war. The former glory and nationalism didn't help them much...

What you take from others, they will take it from you. Again and again and again... War is always stupid and just brings shame.:rolleyes:

Sincerely and friendly

[Uyyonli]

Tsssss.... guys guys...

Trying to unify isn't bad. But trying to steal from others and destroy them to achieve that means war. And for now (and probably for a long time in the future), no country in Central Asia is really much of a power in front of China, Russia or Iran... Even taleban in Afghanistan freak them.

If turks consider that they can just make war to gain lands against others, in the name of pan Turkism, and especially against those they use to call their "brothers" in neighbouring countries, then they must face their fate as they did before.

Gengis khan invaded China and Russia, and for centuries Mongols became Russians and Chinese's slaves and guinea pоgs for nuke experiments during Soviet times. Genocide only brings the same in return.

Turkey ruled over the arab world and became divided between armenians, arabs, British and French during the first world war. The former glory and nationalism didn't help them much...

What you take from others, they will take it from you. Again and again and again... War is always stupid and just brings shame.:rolleyes:

Sincerely and friendly

Hello there my friend, let me guess... u r probably a not Turkic. But we try to read and understan and reply you with peacifull note. Let's be gentle to this guy. Anyway yes war will bring only destruction!!! but being divided is not going to help us but destroy us. If we unite your mighty Iran is going to be a joke...
With Russia we are friends, we will keep our friendship with them forever. Becuase our ancestors bear arms together and fought the WW2 gave lives for all of USSR.
Many Russian brothers gave their lives to defend ou home too!!! but with China we are not going to fight them, we will divide them internally, then we will take what is ours. In that strategy we will get help from Russian brothers in the north.
By the way even Tajikistan was part of Turkestan ASSR and also part of Uzbekistan untill they have gained their autonomy, but when Turkistan is created we are not gonna pick on them, we keep them on our shoulders and carry them to the glory and prosperity of the greatest friendship the world has never seen. They will become our little Israil to our south!! :D if they want they can turn themselves into our Vassalisation or become a puppet if they feel unsafe from their neighbours.

[Tabriz_Han]

Why should Iran be a problem Karach? why an enemy? don't you know that around 30-40% of the country is Turkic.
What would be most beneficial for Iranics and Turkics would be to stop acting like little kids having a pissing contest but realise that across Central Asia and the Near East there are Turkics and there are Iranics, if they work together and stop seeing each other as a threat it would actually benefit them more.

[karach]

Dear friends,

I read carefully your replies.

Sorry if my words have hurt one. It's far from my idea to think one race or subrace is superior to any other. I have travelled and worked in many places (and will keep doing so :D), I have never seen anything that would make me believe - and i repeat it again - that war is a must.

In my case, I am half Kurdish, half farsi. And my family includes also some azari from Tabriz (married to aunts). Moreover, my girlfriend (my sweet hot gorgeous Anara) is kyrghyz, so...
I don't have anything against ANYONE. Never ever.

There was a long time ago a great persian-turkic empire in Korazmia (khwarezm or however you like to spell it, I'm myself confused sometimes over it), and now, Turkic and non Turkic people alike are spread accross Asia, Middle East and Eastern Europe (Turkomans, Tatars, Tajiks, Georgians, etc...). Therefore no nation there is 100% owned by "one race". It's pure bull////.

Unifying in term of political entities, economic unions and maybe one day completely without borders, is a good deed. However, reclaiming lands, dividing and trying to show the superiority or rights of one race on the others just brings shit. Definitely. I am myself half kurdish, and the reason why I love Iran is because I never saw anyone forbidding me to speak my father's tongue in Tehran or any other place. While I heard azari and rashti speak theirs in their places (Tarbiz_han will understand why I love so much women in Rasht:lol:). Of course, more cultural recognition wouldn't be bad. But I'm definitely more at ease than when the french embassy in Turkey told me last holidays to avoid to speak kurdish because of local tensions. You got my point.

To make a tolerant and good empire is great. Better than anything and there will be always a support for that. But to create that with second rate citizens wouldn't be fair. Definitely.

[karach]

Why should Iran be a problem Karach? why an enemy? don't you know that around 30-40% of the country is Turkic.
What would be most beneficial for Iranics and Turkics would be to stop acting like little kids having a pissing contest but realise that across Central Asia and the Near East there are Turkics and there are Iranics, if they work together and stop seeing each other as a threat it would actually benefit them more.

By the way Tabriz Han.
on the 45 percent non persian iranians, there are far more non Turkic than Turkic bro.
25% might be Turkic (Turkomans, Azaris, Qashqais, Tats...), but 5-6% Kurds, 5% Arabs, 10-15% Lurs, Balutch, Baklhtiar and other iranian related people. Not taking in account the Armenians, Georgians, Pashtuns and others...
So saying that 40% are Turks is a little too overwhelming according to reality. Again, no offence.

[Tabriz_Han]

Karach
And my family includes also some azari from Tabriz


Just a correction, there is no such thing today as "Azari", Azari is an extinct language of a people that used to live in the region.

Today Tabriz is inhabitted predominatly by Turks and Turki is spoken in and around the region.



Karach
Unifying in term of political entities, economic unions and maybe one day completely without borders, is a good deed. However, reclaiming lands, dividing and trying to show the superiority or rights of one race on the others just brings shit.


Who is speaking about "division", most comments here are against division and war, instead in favour of unity and prosperity.

There are Turkic states in existance, there are Iranic states in existance, both have Turkic and Iranic minorities, no need to get greedy or power crazy, we have to be able to be sucesfull with what we have not dreams of extra land.


Karach
Definitely. I am myself half kurdish, and the reason why I love Iran is because I never saw anyone forbidding me to speak my father's tongue in Tehran or any other place.


Can you tell me some terror orgs in Iran?

Oh, isn't Pejak a big problem now, Pejak-Pkk...

I wonder, is Kurdish taught in schools...you'll find thats a No




But I'm definitely more at ease than when the french embassy in Turkey told me last holidays to avoid to speak kurdish because of local tensions. You got my point.



Kurdish can be spoken in Turkey, Kurdish schools can teach Kurdish, Kurds can open Kurdish media, sell Kurdish books, newspapers, films, music etc etc new reforms will make it an optional language to learn in schools.

Maybe you should open your eyes and stop living in the past, things change, unfortunately Turks of Iran havn't recieved such rights yet...

[binbirincigece]

Karach
trying to steal from others and destroy them to achieve that means war. No one wrote here has even hinted such a thing. And notice thast this is the feature differentiate Turk from much of other nations, to not to have such an enemic thought.

We are not trying to take anything belonging to others. And in my view; this unification will bring much more peace first to the region and to the world terminately.

Thanks.

[Demir Kağan]

Latins gave it a start with "Banko Del Sur"..

While we are talking, they take action..

[karach]

To Tabriz_Han,

"Kurdish can be spoken in Turkey, Kurdish schools can teach Kurdish, Kurds can open Kurdish media, sell Kurdish books, newspapers, films, music etc etc new reforms will make it an optional language to learn in schools.

Maybe you should open your eyes and stop living in the past, things change, unfortunately Turks of Iran havn't recieved such rights yet..."

Yet it'll come one day or another. I'm confident things change. It'll happen for Turks, Kurds and others in Iran...
Secondly. I don't live in the past and I was in Turkey last year. Either the French are utterly stupid (go tell them that then when Turkey tries to enter UE every year), either Turkey can be dangerous to someone who speaks Kordi. An I believe our embassy far more than any other institution abroad. Actually, I never found any book in Kordi or Armenian in Turkish stores.

Sorry of course for the provocation Tabriz Han, just to show you that nothing's perfect! Even in Turkish lands...


As always,

Yours,

Arash

[karach]

And another thing. I'm sure one day we'll see a great thing in middle East such as a Turkish/Arab/Persian state or union. Like somehow the European Union or even better.

[binbirincigece]

And another thing. I'm sure one day we'll see a great thing in middle East such as a Turkish/Arab/Persian state or union. Like somehow the European Union or even better.A new Ottoman?

[Uyyonli]

A new Ottoman?

:lol: New Ottoman a great point!!! the rerise of the Ottoman Empire.
So Ottoman Empire + Turkistan Empire, what we can call it as the New Temurid Empire ;)
one of my another dreams the union of All muslim lands reachin from India to south, Russian borders to the North, Chinese Walls to East, the Antantic Beaches from African West, to Somalia to the South West a New Khalifat!!!
srry for off top.

[binbirincigece]

:lol: New Ottoman a great point!!! the rerise of the Ottoman Empire.
So Ottoman Empire + Turkistan Empire, what we can call it as the New Temurid Empire ;)
one of my another dreams the union of All muslim lands reachin from India to south, Russian borders to the North, Chinese Walls to East, the Antantic Beaches from African West, to Somalia to the South West a New Khalifat!!!
srry for off top.
Getting all world under control huh :shock:

[Demir Kağan]

Iyi uctunuz he. :mrgreen:

[binbirincigece]

Iyi uctunuz he. :mrgreen:Tukish World Sovereignty Ideal. Not flying ;)

[Qarama]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Union_of_Russia_and_Belarus#Potential_expansion
what is this? :?
"Союзное государство России и Белоруссии"
"...Kazakhstan has expressed interest in forming a separate customs union with Russia and Belarus by 2010. There is talk of Kazakhstan fully joining the Union of Russia and Belarus after some time"

"Kyrgyzstan. As of June 2007, Opposition in Kyrgyzstan, which has been locked in political turmoil, has initiated a nationwide referendum to join the union of Russia and Belarus"

[Mr. Putin]

"В Турции не существует ни панисламизма, ни пантюркизма"
18.12.2007


Сегодня россиянам трудно представить, что еще 20 лет назад Турция была одной из самых закрытых для граждан СССР стран. Сейчас же это единственная страна. входящая в НАТО, для въезда в которую россиянам нет необходимости заранее оформлять визу, сбор оплачивается в аэропорту по прибытии. Товарооборот России и Турции превышает американские масштабы. О взаимоотношениях двух стран, а также о военной кампании на приграничных территориях в интервью специальному корреспонденту "Газеты" Надежде Кеворковой рассказал чрезвычайный и полномочный посол Турции в России Куртулуш Ташкент.

- Ваше превосходительство, какова была динамика отношений между Турцией и Россией?

- Прежде всего замечу, что Россия и Турция - соседние и дружественные страны. В 1990-е годы получили развитие экономические отношения, именно они сыграли роль двигателя во взаимодействии наших стран. В 2000-е годы стали динамичноразвиваться и политические отношения, и сотрудничество между двумя странами.

Куртулуш Ташкент является чрезвычайным и полномочным послом Турецкой Республики в Российской Федерации с 25 июля 2002 года. До назначения в Москву занимал должность замминистра иностранных дел. В 1995-1999 годах - посол Турецкой Республики в Алма-Ате. В 1992-1995 годах - заместитель гендиректора департамента МИДа по связям с СНГ. Занимал различные должности в постпредстве Турецкой Республики при ЕС и при бюро ООН в Женеве, в посольстве Турции в Вене и Аддис-Абебе. Владеет французским и английским языками. Женат, имеет сына (по данным МИД Турецкой Республики).

В декабре 2004 года президент Путин посетил Анкару, и главами наших государств была подписана совместная декларация о двусторонних отношениях. В прошлом году состоялся визит тогдашнего президента Турции в Москву. Премьер-министр Эрдоган совершил визит в Россию, встречался и многократно разговаривал по телефону с господином Путиным. Особенно начиная с 2002 года между нашими странами установился очень серьезный диалог, ведутся консультации по внешнеполитическим вопросам. Отрадно, что по многим вопросам мнения Турции и России совпадают.

- Как можно охарактеризовать состояние экономических связей России и Турции?

- Если в 2002 году товарооборот составлял $5 млрд, то к концу 2007 годаон станет равен $25 млрд. То есть за пять лет товарооборот вырос в пять раз.

В 2006 году Россия для Турции была вторым после Германии торговым партнером, а Турция для России находилась на седьмом месте. По итогам девяти месяцев 2007 года, согласно российским данным, Турция уже поднялась на четвертую позицию по экспорту, обогнав других соседей России - Белоруссию, Украину и Китай.

Турецкие инвестиции в целом по России сейчас составляют примерно $6 млрд. В последнее время стали развиваться и российские инвестиции в турецкую экономику - в частности, в энергетику, связь,туризм, телекоммуникации и металлургию. В общей сложности они составили около $3,5 млрд.

Что касается подрядных работ, то и здесь турецкие предприниматели весьма активны. Как вам известно, в Москве и других российских регионах большие капиталовложения в создание инфраструктуры и большой объем строительных работ осуществлен турецкими строительными фирмами.

Другой важной сферой взаимодействия наших стран является энергетика. Россия на первом месте по поставкам газа для нашей страны и втором - нефти. Турция - третья страна по объемом закупок газа у России после Германии и Италии. В прошлом году мы закупили 20 млрд кубометров. "Газпром" сейчас работает над рядом проектов по подготовке к участию в тендере по созданию газораспределительных сетей в Турции, по участию в строительстве в нашей стране газохранилищ и поставки газа через турецкую территорию в Израиль.

- Какую роль для Турции играет российский сегмент туризма?

- Мы рассматриваем туризм не только как экономическую выгоду, но и как важную социально-культурную деятельность. Так что туризм, если в сознании людей и имеются какие-то предубеждения и ложные представления, очень ценен, поскольку помогает избавиться от всего этого.

В 2006 году Турцию посетили 1,8 млн российских туристов, а за 10 месяцев 2007 года - уже 2,3 млн. Рост - около 35% за год. По численности российские гости на втором месте после Германии. Для россиян же Турция - самое массовое направление.

- Почему, по-вашему, россияне предпочитают Турцию?

- Мне кажется, потому, что мы предоставляем лучшее море, лучшие пляжи, самые современные отели c наилучшим обслуживанием.

На земле Турции сменилось много цивилизаций - туристы могут видеть эти памятники археологии и культуры. Святой Николай жил в Турции в Демре (Миры Ликийские. - "Газета"), что недалеко от Антальи. Там имеется церковь Святого Николая, и многие россияне, приезжающие в Анталью, посещают ее.

- В прекрасных музеях Стамбула и Анкары редко увидишь соотечественника. Музейные же коллекции из Турции пока в Россию не привозят. Есть ли какие-то планы на будущее?

- Совершенно верно, Стамбул действительно обладает самыми богатыми в мире историческими и археологическими музеями. В Турции большое количество церквей, христианских памятников и музеев.

В 2008 году мы планируем развивать религиозный и культурный туризм. Ежегодно мы проводим в России рекламную кампанию, связанную с туризмом. В 2008 году мы намерены активнее знакомить туристов с историческими памятниками и археологичеcкими музеями Стамбула.

В соответствии с договоренностью, достигнутой между президентом Путиным и нашим премьер-министром Эрдоганом, 2007 год был годом культуры России в Турции. В Анкаре, Cтамбуле и в других местах проводились российские вечера и другие мероприятия.

Следующий год станет годом культуры Турции в России. В Петербурге и Москве мы постараемся представить наше культурное достояние. Сейчас мы продумываем, как лучше показать экспонаты турецких музеев, например музея Топ-Капы. Проводятся соответствующие переговоры. Предполагается, что церемония открытия года культуры Турции состоится в апреле 2008 года в Москве. И мы постараемся, чтобы россияне знали не только турецкое солнце, пляжи и отели, но и ее культуру и искусство.

- В Топ-Капы хранятся реликвии пророка Мухаммеда. Если я не ошибаюсь, там же находится письмо пророка с призывом принять ислам. Увидим ли мы эти реликвии в Москве?

- Переговоры продолжаются, и я пока не могу сказать, какие экспонаты будут привезены в Россию. Их ведут Институт востоковедения РАН и музей Топ-Капы. Мы надеемся, что в Стамбуле откроется выставка исламских старинных рукописей, которые хранятся в Москве. А для россиян, возможно, подобная выставка откроется в Москве.

Я знаю, что в России хранятся старинные рукописи и образцы Корана.

- За минувшие десятилетия возникло много русско-турецких семей. Как это влияет на отношения народов?

- Да, действительно, есть много смешанных браков. Я читал в одной турецкой газете, что число смешанных семей достигло уже 200 тысяч. Не знаю, насколько достоверны эти данные.

В основном турецкие мужчины женятся на русских женщинах. Но мне известны две семьи, где турчанки вышли замуж за россиян. Кроме того, некоторые из персонала нашего посольства, что работают по контракту, женаты на россиянках.

- Каково сейчас положение на границе с Ираком?

- Мы с самого начала выступали за сохранение политической и территориальной целостности Ирака, и в этом наши позиции с Россией совпадают. Мы выступили с рядом предложений, направленных на то, чтобы Ирак избавился от того положения, в котором он сейчас находится. В частности, одной из таких инициатив было проведение конференции стран - соседей Ирака. Позднее, в начале ноября, с участием и России в Стамбуле нами была проведена расширенная конференция стран - соседей Ирака.

Что касается положения на границе - там речь идет о терроризме. Из-за слабости центрального правительства Ирака при попустительстве и даже поддержке региональных властей террористическая Рабочая партия Курдистана (РПК) обосновалась в северных районах Ирака. Они совершили целый ряд вылазок в Турцию, в результате которых погибло много людей - мирных жителей и представителей служб безопасности.

Чтобы решить эту проблему и пресечь нападения, мы провели много переговоров с правительством Ирака и с американцами. К сожалению, все это не дало результатов. В августе премьер-министр Ирака Малики приезжал в Анкару, был подписан меморандум о борьбе с терроризмом. Тогда же посетил Анкару министр внутренних дел Ирака, и министрами внутренних дел двух стран было подписано соглашение о борьбе с терроризмом.

Несмотря на это, акции террористов РПК продолжались.

17 октября великое национальное собрание Турции дало разрешение правительству на проведение военной операций на границе в случае, если в этом будет необходимость. Тем не менее мы и далее продолжали проводить консультации с американцами и центральным правительством Ирака с целью сотрудничества в борьбе с терроризмом.

В итоге я могу сказать следующеe: если будет осуществлена военная операция, она будет иметь точечный характер, кратка по времени и направлена исключительно против террористов РПК. Ни в коем случае речь не идет об оккупации каких-либо территорий. Наша цель - борьба с терроризмом. Мы действуем в рамках права каждой страны на защиту своих граждан от терроризма. РПК была признана ООН, НАТО, Европейским союзом, европейскими и другими странами террористической организацией.


Davomi bu erda:

Постоянный адрес статьи: http://gzt.ru/world/2007/12/18/220000.html

[Qarama]

hech narsa tushunmadim :? is it possible to read an english version of the text?
raxmat

[akamurat]

And another thing. I'm sure one day we'll see a great thing in middle East such as a Turkish/Arab/Persian state or union. Like somehow the European Union or even better.

Turks unity is good for Turks (against unfare exploitation)-(why should the others get offended,like Persians,Kurds and Arabs I don't understand) but understandably is not good for emperialistic dominant actors in the vicinity
No one expects Russia or America,EU,China should agree with that of course they shouldn't
they must control the natural resources they have to keep controlling the status-quo while batling with each other!
I personaly want all Arab nations Unite so as the Turkic nations-but it is difficult I know,though not impossible!
mr.karach Turks have always been divided and partitioned by econo-political conditions and feudalism in the past
at the present time other economicaly superior forces would not allow Turks Unity we know!
I can imagine how scary it is for them!
but it is good only for us Turks because unity would bring strength and prosperity for us-which is understanably undesirable for this planets tyrants